General Debate 23 June 2014

June 23rd, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. minus (224 comments) says:

    Labour president Moira Coatsworth has hit back at reports wealthy businessman Donghua Liu made large donations to the party, repeating Labour’s position that it has no records of them.

    “We continue to call on Donghua Liu and any third parties who might have information about these allegations, including the Prime Minister, to place what they know into the public domain or to refer to the regulators.”
    – Labour president Moira Coatsworth
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10187565/Labour-fights-new-Liu-donation-claims

    Coatsworth said Labour had not been approached by the Electoral Commission nor any regulatory agency.

    • Electoral Commission
    • Speaker of the House
    • Serious Fraud Office
    • Police

    One of these agencies now needs to investigate what is corruption, lies, theft and/or fucking awful book-keeping.

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  2. duggledog (1,589 comments) says:

    Yesterday on Q & A David Cunliffe intoned to a bemused Susan Wood that he was a ‘fisherman’ and when fishermen get into heavy seas, they point the boat into the waves.

    Now was that in the C.V.? Will a reporter give him a piece of rope and ask him to tie a bowline? Or would he only be able to tie a noose.

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  3. RF (1,455 comments) says:

    Timmy Barnett was being interviewed by Mike Hosking this morning and was not at all happy when asked if anyone from Labour had questioned Rick Barker about his Chinese boat trip etc. the answer was no as he was on holiday. This smacks of double standards when you apply the Judith Collins sniff test.

    More questions to be answered. That hole is getting mighty deep.

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  4. Colville (2,300 comments) says:

    dugglegog.

    More to the point is how long till someone hands “the fisherman” 2 snapper to hold up in parliment?

    But hopefully not till early next year, I have a morbid fascination for Cun*liffe, its kinda like watching a train wreck happen in slow mo’.

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  5. martinh (1,272 comments) says:

    RF
    good point about hypocrisy
    Colville
    Yes im enjoying that schadenfreude on smug Cunliffe a lot too

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  6. Ross12 (1,456 comments) says:

    The Greens clearly have no real world experience

    https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/24293359/greens-slam-government-over-security-council-secrets/

    But probably the real issue is that Cunliffe’s bumblings have wiped them off the front pages of the MSM and they are desperate to be noticed.

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  7. Griff (8,203 comments) says:

    THERE is a time for weighing evidence and a time for acting. And if there’s one thing I’ve learned throughout my work in finance, government and conservation, it is to act before problems become too big to manage.

    For too many years, we failed to rein in the excesses building up in the nation’s financial markets. When the credit bubble burst in 2008, the damage was devastating. Millions suffered. Many still do.

    We’re making the same mistake today with climate change. We’re staring down a climate bubble that poses enormous risks to both our environment and economy. The warning signs are clear and growing more urgent as the risks go unchecked.

    This is a crisis we can’t afford to ignore. I feel as if I’m watching as we fly in slow motion on a collision course toward a giant mountain. We can see the crash coming, and yet we’re sitting on our hands rather than altering course.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/22/opinion/sunday/lessons-for-climate-change-in-the-2008-recession.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1

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  8. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    Andrea Vance. Takes Tomohawk to Winston Peters

    But Peters was wrong. Figures show that in the last 10 years (only those from 2003 would be entitled) just over 43,000 have arrived under that category. Of those a number would have died, gone home, or have pension portability.

    2008/09 to 2013/14 total = 33431
    2003 to 2007 total =17833
    Total 51264
    and we have reciprical arrangements with U.K Canada Holland etc.

    Even Peters own voters aren’t convinced by this old trick – 92 per cent of his supporters don’t rate immigration as a problem.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/10187254/Immi-what-Immigration-hysteria-falls-flat

    3 News-Reid Research poll 26 May 2014

    62 percent of voters want tighter restrictions on immigration, while only 35 percent say leave it.
    //
    Unsurprisingly, 84 percent of NZ First voters want immigration restricted. Sixty-eight percent of Labour voters agree, along with 58 percent of Green Party voters.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/David-Cunliffe-blames-migrants-for-housing-crisis/tabid/1607/articleID/345855/Default.aspx#ixzz33jj2pF7w

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  9. Tarquin North (365 comments) says:

    Did anybody else nearly throw up watching the advertisement for Lotta Danns blog and soon to be released book masquerading as current affairs on TV One last night? I can’t believe journalism could sink this low.

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  10. flipper (4,241 comments) says:

    Tarquin North….

    Agreed, it was just bullshit self promotion by TV insiders. These egotistical fools believe that they are the news we all want to hear and view. Dumb!

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  11. Left Right and Centre (2,997 comments) says:

    More importantly . . . why does some fuckwit from the ‘we’d rather die than be even slightly non-PC’ party describe himself as a ‘fisherman’ and not the media bubble imposed ‘PC approved’ non-gender term ‘fisher’ ?

    Gotcha !!

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  12. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Don’t Russians know how to treat the types of weirdos that Labour cultivates? Hell if Labour en-masse, were in Russia, there would only be about two left standing. They sure treat deviants as they deserve!

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  13. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    “But Peters was wrong. Figures show that in the last 10 years (only those from 2003 would be entitled) just over 43,000 have arrived under that category. Of those a number would have died, gone home, or have pension portability. ”

    2008/09 to 2013/14 total = 33431
    2004 to 2007 total =15155
    Total 48586 (“just over 43000″?)
    What about those who arrived before 2004? but spent no more than 10 years in NZ?
    Not to mention medical care, gold cards etc.

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  14. Left Right and Centre (2,997 comments) says:

    Any moron can read sport on Firstline apparently. Young white fella at 7:22am describing some rugby tens sideshow ‘player dove over to score’. Dove ? Dove you ignorant little uneducated brainwashed shit for brains ? Dived – you know like young NZders level of education has dived in recent times.

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  15. jp_1983 (227 comments) says:

    More importantly . . . why does some fuckwit from the ‘we’d rather die than be even slightly non-PC’ party describe himself as a ‘fisherman’ and not the media bubble imposed ‘PC approved’ non-gender term ‘fisher’

    Because calling David Cunliffe a ‘Fishwife’ would be too mean or maybe that is reserved for Grant R

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  16. iMP (2,422 comments) says:

    WH TALKING POINTS. Yup, it is George Bush’s fault for the hundred year old sectarian war erupting in Syria/Iraq.

    Having “won that war” we will hear little of Barack Obama’s going back in to an Iraqi war and re-engaging with the “war on terror.”

    “Don’t mention the war!”

    Meanwhile, the Obama Nobel Peace Prize drones, drone on. Yeah Nah.

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  17. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    Rockstar = Immigration Ponzi (No change GDP/capita. Lifestyle suffers)

    Gross Domestic Product: March 2014 quarter – Media Release

    Strong growth in construction led to a 1.0 percent rise in gross domestic product (GDP) in the March 2014 quarter, Statistics New Zealand said today.

    Construction activity grew 12.5 percent, due to large rises in residential and non-residential building. Growth in construction activity was strong in Canterbury and in the rest of the country.

    “Construction was responsible for two-thirds of GDP growth this quarter,” national accounts manager Gary Dunnet said. “This is the largest increase in construction in 14 years.”

    This is the third consecutive quarter in which GDP has grown by 1.0 percent or more. GDP growth for the year ended March 2014 was 3.3 percent.

    The expenditure measure of GDP rose 1.3 percent in the March 2014 quarter. Growth in construction activity was reflected in a 2.1 percent rise in investment. Rises in residential and non-residential building were partly offset by falls in plant, machinery, and equipment and intangible assets.

    Spending by New Zealand households was flat, while spending by tourists increased 7.7 percent. Higher tourist spending also drove an increase in exports of travel services, which contributed to a 3.1 percent rise in exports.

    The size of the economy (in current prices) was $227 billion for the year ended March 2014.

    http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/economic_indicators/GDP/GrossDomesticProduct_MRMar14qtr.aspx

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  18. Griff (8,203 comments) says:

    2012

    Water shortages, crop-failure and displacement

    From 2006-2011, up to 60% of Syria’s land experienced, in the terms of one expert, “the worst long-term drought and most severe set of crop failures since agricultural civilizations began in the Fertile Crescent many millennia ago.” According to a special case study from last year’s Global Assessment Report on Disaster Risk Reduction (GAR), of the most vulnerable Syrians dependent on agriculture, particularly in the northeast governorate of Hassakeh (but also in the south), “nearly 75 percent…suffered total crop failure.” Herders in the northeast lost around 85% of their livestock, affecting 1.3 million people.

    The human and economic costs are enormous. In 2009, the UN and IFRC reported that over 800,000 Syrians had lost their entire livelihood as a result of the droughts. By 2011, the aforementioned GAR report estimated that the number of Syrians who were left extremely “food insecure” by the droughts sat at about one million. The number of people driven into extreme poverty is even worse, with a UN report from last year estimating two to three million people affected.
    http://climateandsecurity.org/2012/02/29/syria-climate-change-drought-and-social-unrest/

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  19. EAD (1,331 comments) says:

    Great article from this weeks Spectator which rightly questions the Conservatives and the media spin that the Britain is somehow in the grips of austerity despite running up £100b+ deficits year after year for the last 4 years which is massively more than the previous Labour government.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/06/wholl-tell-the-anti-austerity-marchers-that-government-spending-is-at-a-record-high/

    Many of us ask the same question here in New Zealand – that despite all the media complaining about National’s “miserly” budgets and “tight purse strings” the National Party haven’t wound back any of Labours fiscal recklessness and in fact ramped up the spending and their commitment to socialism and called the result “growth” which has just delayed the day when we have to pay piper and live within our means. Just like the article above in Britain, sometimes it seems like I live in a parallel universe between what is really happening and what the media and government is telling me is happening.

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  20. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    EAD
    “Sometimes it seems like I live in a parallel universe between what is really happening and what the media and government is telling me is happening.”
    …….
    The Savings Working Group said similar.

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  21. Manolo (14,086 comments) says:

    UT, in drag as posing as a Muslim woman, gets the answers he deserves:

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  22. Scott Chris (6,177 comments) says:

    Helios Airways Flight 522 (2005 airline disaster):

    Two F-16 fighter aircraft from the Hellenic Air Force 111th Combat Wing were scrambled from Nea Anchialos Air Base to establish visual contact. They intercepted the passenger jet at 11:24 and observed that the first officer was slumped motionless at the controls and the captain’s seat was empty. They also reported that oxygen masks were dangling in the passenger cabin.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522

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  23. kowtow (8,784 comments) says:

    Northland wahine

    Carry over from yesterday’s GD

    “And I doubt very few acknowledge the common denominator…”

    The cd would be welfarism and drugs. That’s what’s done it in Europe ,same thing here.And Maori aren’t alone in the underclass stats, there’s plenty of white trash around in good ole Aotearoa .

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  24. Redbaiter (9,662 comments) says:

    “THERE is a time for weighing evidence and a time for acting.”

    What kind of idiot would quote Poulson in the New York Times as an authoritative source on anything? Only an idiot who doesn’t know what’s going on in the world.

    Poulson has been wrong about so many things he’s got not one skerrick of credibility left with anyone and the New York Times is just a modern day version of Pravda.

    How dumb do you have to be not to know these two simple facts? How dumb do you have to be not to know that such a reference is worthless?

    I’ll tell you.

    About as dumb as they come. Meaning dumb enough to believe in the modern day fairy tale of AGW.

    CO2 is plant food.

    The Eiffel Tower in Paris is 324 metres high (1063ft). If the height of the Eiffel Tower represented the total size of the atmosphere then the natural level of CO2 would be 8.75 centimetres of that hight (3.4 inches) and the amount added by humans from the beginning of time up until today would be an extra 3.76 centimetres (1.5 inches)

    The AGW scan is driven by self interested politicians and scientific bodies, and they are aided in their propaganda and deceit by really dumb people.

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  25. jcuknz (704 comments) says:

    That is an interesting article GRIFF coming from a right wing leader in the NYT … thankyou :)

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  26. Dave Mann (1,253 comments) says:

    “We gave Iraq the chance to have an inclusive democracy. To work across sectarian lines, to provide a better future for their children” President Barack Obama told CNN on Friday.

    I don’t think this Iraq mess is totally Obama’s fault, actually. It is the tragic product of Americs’s blind refusal to understand that many people (especially Mulims and tribal societies) DON’T VALUE the concept of an inclusive democracy; they’re more into superstition, raw power and brutality as their lifestyle choice.

    Maybe the civilized world should just let them go to it? I guess they won’t be much trouble to us if they all kill each other….. Maybe that was the clever Amercan plan all along?

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  27. Keeping Stock (10,443 comments) says:

    With a few notable exceptions, the people of Southland have excellent bullshit detectors. The editor of the Southland Times seems to have an especially fine tuned one:

    There’s a Watergate-era poster of Richard Nixon as a wee boy, looking back over his own shoulder and complaining: Somebody poohed my pants.
    David Cunliffe is scarcely more plausible as he tries to represent himself as the victim of a Government smear campaign.
    He is conspicuously besmirched, all right, but however much the Government may have benefited from the process, enjoyed it, and perhaps even at prime ministerial level taken Bonaparte’s advice not to interrupt an opponent when he’s making a mistake, none of this changes the fact the Government’s role was, at very worst, peripheral to the self-inflicted damage.

    Well said that man

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/06/common-sense-from-southland-times.html

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  28. ShawnLH (5,761 comments) says:

    That was an outstanding post Manalo. Her response to the question was powerful.

    Cue the usual excuse-mongers for Islamic terrorism……

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  29. Dom Knots (155 comments) says:

    LOL. no mention from the lovely brigitte about the billions of u.s dollars invested in the continued israeli war crimes of murder against innocent Palestinian women and children. Oh wait – she supports that. A very balanced speech indeed. Please post more and more – and don’t forget the nazi’s.

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  30. lilman (968 comments) says:

    Agree Shawn ,that’s the problem,everyone is pissing their pants over extremists,they can go to hell and the sooner the better.

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  31. minus (224 comments) says:

    Latest Labour lie

    “We have always cooperated with regulators, and will always do so when required.”
    – Labour president Moira Coatsworth, re-wrting history 

    Such co-operation as in 2005 when the pledge card fiasco descended on Labour.

    Mike Smith, the then general secretary of the party told the Electoral Commission that Labour would declare the expenditure, even though it would massively put them over the allowable spending limit for the election. When the declarations were filed Mike Smith did not declare that spending and then Labour retrospectively changed the law to prevent being prosecuted. They are not telling the truth when they say they will cooperate with regulators.

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  32. Redbaiter (9,662 comments) says:

    “coming from a right wing leader”

    Poulson is no right winger.

    He’s a big government socialist cronyist who argued for the bailout.

    Fuck him and the horse he rode in on.

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  33. Dom Knots (155 comments) says:

    Sean Plunket is advocating on his show the return of u.s warships to nz ports so sailors can interact with young kiwi women. lol what a dumb bastard he is. bring back the even dumber lawsie.

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  34. mikenmild (11,798 comments) says:

    American warships won’t be coming back here any time soon.

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  35. kowtow (8,784 comments) says:

    Is Dom Knots aka Numb Nuts, Luc Hansen in drag?

    Anyway ,here’s an example of Israel’s war on innocent “Palestinians”…..

    Israeli Arab child,whose Dad works for the military, murdered by a shell from Syria!

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/teenager-killed-in-intentional-syrian-attack-on-golan-heights-israel-says-1.1841473

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  36. Dave Mann (1,253 comments) says:

    @Dom Knots: I haven’t been listening to Sean Plunket yet this morning, but I often do, and he is by no means dumb, actually. He is by far the best thing to have happened to radio in recent years. I love his show.

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  37. Dom Knots (155 comments) says:

    box on, Dave. I’m glad you enjoy him.

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  38. twofish (105 comments) says:

    Trevor Mallard, without a shred of evidence, in Parliament accused Michael Woodhouse of taking cash donations from Donghua Liu.
    Now David Cunliffe can hardly complain as he and his Party have variously called Donghua Liu a wife beater, a liar and now they are challenging his integrity again, all after he has given large donations to the party.

    Hell hath no fury as a woman scorned – nor apparently, that of a Chinese man as badly and ignorantly treated as Donghua Liu has been by Labour

    Cunliffe doesn’t need to hold up two fish in Parliament – you still get the drift

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  39. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    mikenwimp: Bet you would be the type who, in a confrontational situation, would run. You wimpy sickos are always anti-US, is this because you lack backbone, or is it the doctrine of the lazy leeching Labour upbringing?

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  40. Dom Knots (155 comments) says:

    kowtow, having been on the short leash all weekend (probably at the hands of an large and overbearing wife), is back and straight into his fix of homoerotic sniping. I do hope he’s not here on the bosses coin. * waves *

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  41. mikenmild (11,798 comments) says:

    Actually, igm, I am rather pro-US. I’d be happy to see a nuclear-powered or armed vessel out in Wellington Harbour right now, but it ain’t going to happen.
    You take care though, and have a lovely day.

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  42. Andrei (2,668 comments) says:

    Actually, igm, I am rather pro-US.

    That’s because you are a Godless fool who ‘who has been totally brainwashed and are happy to be a serf

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  43. mikenmild (11,798 comments) says:

    WTF?

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  44. publicwatchdog (2,855 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  45. dime (10,137 comments) says:

    “PROTEST – today! Against PM John Key ‘POODLE of Wall Street’ who’s supporting U$A warmongering/ unlawful drone strikes / TPPA”

    ya lost me when you used a dollar sign for an S. sad.

    would you take me seriously if i said:

    PAY YOUR RATE$

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  46. Redbaiter (9,662 comments) says:

    “military/industrial corporate machine” is a key identifier Dime.

    Once you hear that its time to walk away.

    You know its a robot.

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  47. Scott (1,821 comments) says:

    Regarding the war in the Middle East, I don’t think it’s something we can opt out of and just leave them to it. As 911 showed when we leave them to it sooner or later the war will go overseas to strike the West.
    And it gets worse when we find that Moslems that are Western citizens are going overseas to fight in these wars and then returning home presumably to continue the jihad.
    We know that heaps of British citizens have gone overseas to fight. But closer to home there have been a number of Australians identified as jihadists –

    “More than 150 Australians, many of Lebanese descent, have joined jihadists fighting in Iraq and Syria, and will pose a danger to us on their return.
    One, Khaled Sharrouf, lived on a disability pension in Sydney but was last week pictured apparently in Iraq, waving the flag of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, whose Sunni jihadists are shooting and beheading countless unarmed Shia Iraqis.
    In another Facebook photo, believed posted by fellow Australian jihadist Mohamed Elomar, Sharrouf poses with a gun next to slaughtered Iraqi civilians.
    Another two Australian jihadists feature in an ISIS video calling on Muslims to join them, and dozens of Australians in Sydney and Melbourne have posted support for ISIS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook.
    A spokesman for Sydney’s al-Risalah Islamic centre even declared ISIS’s success inspired a “feeling of joy”. When a Perth “imam” spoke at the centre last December, the banner behind him featured the ISIS logo.”

    – See more at: http://www.mychristiandaily.com/index.php/aus/170-news-item-2-australia-nz/10952-andrew-bolt-this-holy-war-cry-is-a-wake-up-call#sthash.UntSyfPs.dpuf

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  48. Ross12 (1,456 comments) says:

    With all BS coming out of Labour about the Lui situation I’d ask a few of questions :

    1. Has Labour told us why Lui would not tell the truth about the donations ? What has he to gain from not telling it as he recalls ?

    2. Why do all of them blame or deflect the questions to others ? Cunliffe says it is a matter for the “Party” –isn’t he part of it?
    I’m not sure Tim Barnett knows who he is working for. Barker was on holiday in China –Tui ad !! ( John Banks was held to
    account for nothing to do with national politics).
    3. Do any of them understand what “fronting up to an issue” means ?

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  49. Fletch (6,502 comments) says:

    The latest in the IRS scandal going on in America.
    First, the IRS says they lost two years of Lois Lerner’s emails when she had a computer crash, so they can’t be handed over.

    A user on Twitter did a search and found out that the IRS contracts out to a company to back up all their email online. And guess what? The IRS cancelled their contract with the company (a company they’d been using for six years) just after the scandal broke.

    The IRS signed a contract with Sonasoft, an email-archiving company based in San Jose, California, each year from 2005 to 2010. The company, which partners with Microsoft and counts The New York Times among its clients, claims in its company slogans that it provides “Email Archiving Done Right” and “Point-Click Recovery.” Sonasoft in 2009 tweeted, “If the IRS uses Sonasoft products to backup their servers why wouldn’t you choose them to protect your severs?”

    Sonasoft was providing “automatic data processing” services for the IRS throughout the January 2009 to April 2011 period in which Lerner sent her missing emails.

    But Sonasoft’s six-year business relationship with the IRS came to an abrupt end at the close of fiscal year 2011, as congressional investigators began looking into the IRS conservative targeting scandal and IRS employees’ computers started crashing left and right.

    Sonasoft’s fiscal year 2011 contract with the IRS ended on August 31, 2011. Eight days later, the IRS officially closed out its relationship with Sonasoft in accordance with the federal government’s contract close-out guidelines, which require agencies to fully audit their contracts and to get back any money that wasn’t used by the contractor. Curiously, the IRS de-allocated 36 cents when it closed out its contract with Sonasoft on September 8, 2011.

    Lois Lerner’s computer allegedly crashed in June 2011, just ten days after House Ways and Means Committee chairman Rep. Dave Camp first wrote a letter asking if the IRS was engaging in targeting of nonprofit groups. Two months later, Sonasoft’s contract ended and the IRS gave its email-archiving contractor the boot.

    IRS official and frequent White House visitor Nikole Flax allegedly suffered her own computer crash in December 2011, three months after the IRS ended its relationship with Sonasoft.

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/22/irs-cancelled-contract-with-email-storage-firm-weeks-after-lerners-computer-crash/

    I’m sorry, but this just strains all credulity.
    Something is very rotten. This is worse than Watergate.

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  50. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    igm (1,241 comments) says:
    June 23rd, 2014 at 8:34 am

    Don’t Russians know how to treat the types of weirdos that Labour cultivates? Hell if Labour en-masse, were in Russia, there would only be about two left standing. They sure treat deviants as they deserve!
    …….
    Personally, I find sadism a turn off.

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  51. stephieboy (3,414 comments) says:

    Fletch, answer one thing about the bogus IRS scandal. How does the Tea Party qualify as a charitable and benevolent society in the same league as say e.g the Society of St Vincent de Paul.???
    Public watch dog,,

    “PROTEST – today! Against PM John Key ‘POODLE of Wall Street’ who’s supporting U$A warmongering/ unlawful drone strikes / TPPA…. ”

    US warmongering . Garbage.! But don’t be surprised if our local Tea PArty y activists do turn up.!

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  52. Manolo (14,086 comments) says:

    @Jax Taylor: are you on Kim DotCom’s payroll? Have you received money from the German fraudster?

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  53. Komata (1,204 comments) says:

    PENELOPE

    RE: ‘PROTEST – today! Against PM John Key ‘POODLE of Wall Street’ who’s supporting U$A warmongering/ unlawful drone strikes / TPPA’

    How about, instead:

    PROTEST – today! Against LABOUR PARTY LEADER DAVIS CUNNLIFFE, ‘POODLE of BEIJING.’ who’s supporting CHINESE CORRUPTION IN NEW ZEALAND’

    Or is that too close to home ‘Penny Bright …………………….

    (Who will be standing as an Independent ‘Anti-corruption / anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’?

    Putting it very bluntly Penelope Bright ‘Anti-corruption / anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’ You are a liar and venial hypocrite!!

    WHEN (and ONLY when) you have prosecuted David Cunnliffe et al for Corruption, Bribery and falsification of documents etc. etc. , you will have credibility.

    Until then,’fraid not.

    Said in a caring way, of course….

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  54. Fletch (6,502 comments) says:

    stephieboy, it has nothing to do with being a charity.

    United States federal tax law, specifically Section 501(c)(4) of the Internal Revenue Code (26 U.S.C. § 501(c)), exempts certain types of nonprofit organizations from having to pay federal income tax. The statutory language of IRC 501(c)(4) generally requires civic organizations described in that section to be “operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare”. Treasury regulations interpreting this statutory language apply a more relaxed standard, namely, that the organization “is operated primarily for the purpose of bringing about civic betterments and social improvements”.[12] As a result, the IRS traditionally has permitted organizations described in IRC 501(c)(4) to engage in lobbying and political campaign activities if those activities are not the organization’s primary activity.[13]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_IRS_scandal

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  55. dime (10,137 comments) says:

    Is this a new low? front page of stuff:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/destinations/australia/10172306/How-to-speak-Strayan

    my god.

    they didnt even include the most popular word used by under 25 aussies – cunt.

    ive reset my bookmark to go straight to sport. these fuckers are on thin ice.

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  56. stephieboy (3,414 comments) says:

    Fletch,

    The true import and meaning of the the bogus scandal. The same paranoia and hysteria that accompanied Bither and Benghazi conspiracies .It’s important to note how Republicans and the far right have attempted to link the alleged IRS scandal to conspiracies like Benghazi and NSA surveillance which ignores the fact that it was the GWB administration that largely created the apparatus in the first place and that Congressional Republicans last year voted for its continuance ,

    The IRS “Scandal” Turned Out to Be a Non-Scandal, But It Might Not Matter: Why It Is Not Just the Right-Wing Echo Chamber That Will Perpetuate the Myth of Political Manipulation of the IRS –

    “…And the IRS’s foolish error, which had already been corrected even before it was reported, has turned out to be the low-level bungling that it looked like all along, not an attempt by the President to punish his political enemies, as right-wingers immediately imagined. …”-

    and ,

    “…Almost two months later, has anything changed regarding the IRS’s non-scandal?  The only significant new information that has emerged has undermined even the original notion that the IRS was systematically scrutinizing right-wing groups (though not for political reasons).  It turned out that the original Inspector General’s report was issued in response to a request to determine whether the IRS had scrutinized any applications from nonprofit groups on the basis of right-wing labels.  The answer was yes.  What we learned in late June, however, was that the IRS had also used left-wing labels (and some apolitical labels) in its searches.  This was not originally reported by the IG’s report, apparently because no one had asked that specific question
    There Is Nothing More to the IRS Story, but the Right Wing Will Not Let It Go: Birtherism and the Vince Foster Murder Conspiracy Theory Now Have a New Cousin…..”
    – See more at: http://verdict.justia.com/2013/08/15/the-irs-scandal-turned-out-to-be-a-non-scandal-but-it-might-not-matter#sthash.097M3zC8.dpuf

    http://verdict.justia.com/2013/08/15/the-irs-scandal-turned-out-to-be-a-non-scandal-but-it-might-not-matter
    But I suspect that a Birther like you like all conspiracy theorists will not be convinced by anything. like your dumb claim that the long form birth certificate was photo shopped.

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  57. wikiriwhis business (4,135 comments) says:

    Stephie Boy…take a look at this travesty perpertrated on the US public

    IRS Emails Are Lost And Hard Drive Destroyed!! .

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  58. wikiriwhis business (4,135 comments) says:

    .G77 And China Summit Calls For “New World Order”

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  59. cha (4,087 comments) says:

    See, it really was Obamas fault.
    /

    https://twitter.com/Rob_Coh/status/480864223560355843/photo/1

    https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedAndrew/status/480862808314478593/photo/1

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  60. stephieboy (3,414 comments) says:

    Fox Twists Loss Of IRS Emails Into Nefarious Conspiracy.

    Very typical of Fox and the far Right wing Media. Just look at Birthers , Benghazi and the NSA,

    http://mediamatters.org/mobile/research/2014/06/18/fox-twists-loss-of-irs-emails-into-nefarious-co/199787

    Conspiracies there , conspiracies, up, down and everywhere .

    Wiki the link to your two videos would be most helpful.??

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  61. Don the Kiwi (1,794 comments) says:

    There still appears to be a lot of anti-American sentiment around NZ.

    When/If China starts rattling its sabres down our neck of the woods like they are around Vietnam/Japan/Phillipins, those same negative lefties would welcomw US warships with open arms – nuclear or not.

    Anyway, there are very few nuclear powered warships in the US Navy now, and virtually none – except submarines – nuclear armed.
    The yanks were a godsent 70 years ago, and IMO continue to be so today in many ways (except for Obummer)

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  62. stephieboy (3,414 comments) says:

    Don the Kiwi,

    oh dear yet another one who can’t stand the thought of a Blackman in the Whiter House.

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  63. chiz (1,164 comments) says:

    On the subject of a claim that Chuck made yesterday – I see that the BNZ had an ad in the public notices section of the Weekend Press, and presumably in other papers around the country, about unclaimed money. The ad notes that The Unclaimed Money Act of 1971 requires BNZ to pay any funds to the Crown when they become “unclaimed” and specifically includes as one such example – deposit accounts which have been inoperative for over 25 years.

    You could perhaps argue that this was the case when the act was passed and that subsequent developments have obviated that particular example but if that were so then why would the BNZ bother to waste space in their ad by explicitly mentioning it? Its possible that they are destroying some records after seven years but they clearly aren’t destroying everything.

    Chuck – have you talked to the banking ombudsman?

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  64. dime (10,137 comments) says:

    “Don the Kiwi,

    oh dear yet another one who can’t stand the thought of a Blackman in the Whiter House.”

    that should be demerits.

    unless i missed it, i cant see where don had an issue with obamas skin colour.

    the only one obsessed with his colour is YOU

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  65. stephieboy (3,414 comments) says:

    dime, the clue can be found in the insult “Obummer.” which I would of thought you would strongly identify with and is a term common amongst the far right with most usually a racial connotation.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/19/robert-copeland-resigns_n_5352723.html

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  66. Pete George (23,688 comments) says:

    Labour delayed announcing their party list until today (reported to be at 3 pm).

    Kris Faafoi announced yesterday that he was withdrawing from the list selection and would stand for the Mana electorate only.

    It’s also been reported that Ruth Dyson in Port Hills, Stuart Nash in Napier and Rino Tirikatene in Te Tai Tonga will also not be on the list.

    And new candidate Tamati Coffey is apparently been placed higher on the list the Kelvin Davis. That could put more pressure on Davids to try and win Te Tai Tokerau.

    That last claim has just been corrected:

    @CTrevettNZH 47s

    Cancel previous: @NgatiBird reportedly at about 18 – above Tamati Coffey. Coffey highest non MP male.

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  67. dirty harry (520 comments) says:

    Kia Kaha..who says kia kaha..what does it mean?…who cares..speak english you stupid bint.

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  68. dime (10,137 comments) says:

    “dime, the clue can be found in the insult “Obummer.” which I would of thought you would strongly identify with and is a term common amongst the far right with most usually a racial connotation.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/19/robert-copeland-resigns_n_5352723.html

    you are a dead set lunatic.

    so don uses a play on obamas name, not unlike YOU using “teabaggers”.

    and in your mind somehow “obummer” = nigger?

    get help weirdo

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  69. stephieboy (3,414 comments) says:

    Now dime what could an organization such as this be using “Obummer ” for .?,

    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t962464/

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  70. Redbaiter (9,662 comments) says:

    “you are a dead set lunatic.”

    Yes, and he’s also a communist, a troll, a coward and a smearer.

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  71. dime (10,137 comments) says:

    “Now dime what could an organization such as this be using “Obummer ” for .?,”

    i couldnt care less. you called someone a racist without any proof.

    what if he had gone with “obumbles the clown”? youll find some hate group where its mentioned in a forum so its wacist?

    weirdo.

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  72. dime (10,137 comments) says:

    Hey stephie, are these ALL racist?

    O’Carter
    O’Chavez
    O-BOW-ma
    O-boy
    O-cialist, The
    OMGWTF
    OOO (Occupant of the Oval Office; a.k.a. “Triple O”)
    ObaMao
    Obama bin Laden
    Obama bin Lyin’
    Obama Won Kabuki
    Obama Osama
    Obama-Lama-Ding-Dong
    Obama-one Yaphony
    Obamachev
    Obamadinejad
    ObaMadoff
    ObamanocchioObamafail
    Obamahammed
    Obamandias
    Obamanocchio
    Obamanure
    Obamaramadingdong
    Obamateur
    Obamawankenobi
    Obambi
    Obamenbashi
    Obamessiah, The
    Obaminable
    Obamination
    Obammunist, The
    Obammy
    Obarfo
    ObeyMe
    Obie bum Kabrokie
    Obi-Wan Nairobi
    Obimbo
    Oblahblah
    Oblowme
    Obomba
    ObowmaObowa
    Obowma
    Obozo the Clown
    Obroccoli
    Obumbles the Clown
    Obumma
    Obummer
    Obysmal
    Oclueless
    Odopey
    Odrama
    Odumbass
    Odumbo
    Odummy
    OediPOTUS Wrecks
    Ogabe
    Oh Bow Low
    Oh-Blah-Muhhhh
    Oilbama
    Oilbowma
    Oilslick Obama
    Ol’ Jug Ears
    OmniPresident, The
    One Big Ass Mistake, America
    One, The
    One Big Awful Mistake, America
    Osama Obama
    Ovomit
    Owebama
    Owebowmao

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  73. Redbaiter (9,662 comments) says:

    “weirdo.”

    Almost every comment he makes here is either based on a lie or is a despicable cowardly smear or both simultaneously.

    Worthless as a human being.

    The kind that gives the other 1% of leftists a bad name.

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  74. stephieboy (3,414 comments) says:

    dime, I stand by my claim which is reinforced here,

    http://teapartyorg.ning.com/forum/topics/obummer-refusal

    Unquestioned that it has a racial connection but why it bothers you very hard to fathom.

    Rebaiter, when did you have that lobotomy of yours performed at Lake Alice.?

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  75. RRM (10,034 comments) says:

    My boy shouts “Ooh – a BIIIIIIG WUCK!” whenever a big truck drives past.

    But then, he’s two.

    For fuck’s sake… if someone’s political arguments depend upon calling the President by a stupid name, then that person is probably arguing at about a two year old level.

    Cute if it’s your own child, but why oh why would you bother engaging with it in political debate on the internet?

    Next issue?

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  76. Redbaiter (9,662 comments) says:

    “Next issue?”

    Poor little guy gets driven around in a car that is an embarrassment to the human race. No wonder he is impressed by trucks.

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  77. RRM (10,034 comments) says:

    Well that’s you in a nutshell isn’t it baiter… the bar could always be lower, and you’re the guy to take it there. You’re like a one-man limbo game.

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  78. dime (10,137 comments) says:

    “Unquestioned that it has a racial connection but why it bothers you very hard to fathom.”

    it bothers me because youre an asshole.

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  79. dime (10,137 comments) says:

    “Poor little guy gets driven around in a car that is an embarrassment to the human race.”

    lol what are ya driving RRM? prius?

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  80. Redbaiter (9,662 comments) says:

    It’s the standard bearer for British unionist indolence and incompetence. Made by the dopey short sighted economically illiterate fuckers who destroyed automobile manufacturing in the UK back in the 1960s and 70s.

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  81. stephieboy (3,414 comments) says:

    dime, Peace.

    Some birther humour ,

    “It’s important that we, the few, the proud, the reality-based, attack this stuff before it has a chance to fester and spread. This is not a case of Democrats versus Republicans. It’s sentient beings versus the lizard people.” –Bill Maher, on birtherism

    “Donald Trump said if President Obama releases his birth certificate, he will release his tax returns. The President said, ‘Well, I promise not to run for a second term if you release that thing on your head.'” –Conan O’Brien

    Redbaiter, answer my question. please ? The date of your lobotomy performed at Lake Alice.?

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  82. flipper (4,241 comments) says:

    stephieboy (1,779 comments) says:

    June 23rd, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    dime, I stand by my claim which is reinforced here,

    http://teapartyorg.ning.com/forum/topics/obummer-refusal

    Unquestioned that it has a racial connection but why it bothers you very hard to fathom.

    Rebaiter, when did you have that lobotomy of yours performed at Lake Alice.?
    *************

    What a dumb piece of shite stephie girl is.

    If she/he/it knew anything about Lake Alice, it would not have made that remark.

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  83. Don the Kiwi (1,794 comments) says:

    “stephieboy (1,780 comments) says:
    June 23rd, 2014 at 12:57 pm
    Don the Kiwi,

    oh dear yet another one who can’t stand the thought of a Blackman in the Whiter House.”

    What a bird-brained comment from an insecure PC skirt wearing leftie.

    Who mentioned anything about race or colour- -except you, you twit.

    Obummer is hopeless as the president of the USA – he is vascillating, ignorant on economics and world affairs; but worst of all he is a rabid hard left socialist who is destroying the USA; he is attempting to undermine the Constitution, he is imposing heavy taxes and depriving the people of theie second amendment rights; but worst of all, he is a liar and protects his left wing incompetent and criminal friends that he has scattered throughout his administration.

    So what about a really good man for POTUS – and black at that – Alan West, Herman Cain, Ben Carsons – these are real competent black USA politicians. Add in Thomas Sowell as a brilliant adviser, then you would have a great team that most Americans, black or white, would support and America would prosper – not go down the gurgler like what is happening now.

    Obummer said he would fundamentally change America – and he is doing by absolute misuse of power – he is trying to destroy the USA as we know it. What a useless POS.

    And stephaniegirl thinks he’s loverly !!

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  84. mikenmild (11,798 comments) says:

    ‘Alan West, Herman Cain, Ben Carsons – these are real competent black USA politicians.’
    Tee hee. Aw stop it Don, my sides are hurting.

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  85. stephieboy (3,414 comments) says:

    Don the Kiwigirl , you certainly know how to blather , grunt, rant and rave with your hysterical opine.

    BTW how did you feel on 14/11 /2012 and the morning after as matter of interest.

    And to think Don the Kiwigirl represents the potential future of the c p.and the GOP.

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  86. Don the Kiwi (1,794 comments) says:

    Looks like mm is stephaniegirls’s tight BFF.

    Please name some black American politicians who are better and more competent than the ones I have mentioned.

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  87. mikenmild (11,798 comments) says:

    How about all of them. Your ones: war criminal, sexual harasser, and moonbat.

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  88. dime (10,137 comments) says:

    “Don the Kiwigirl”

    sexist.

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  89. Redbaiter (9,662 comments) says:

    “And to think Don the Kiwigirl represents the potential future of the c p.and the GOP.”

    Yep, who would ever prefer a decent down to earth honest NZer over a clutch of lying smearing disgusting left wing cowards like you??

    They’d have to be nut nut nut nutters right???

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  90. Griff (8,203 comments) says:

    :lol: and red drives a usa pickup
    A piece of shit that is the automobile equivalent of a hardly davidson
    made to the same design since the 1950s and sold to idiots.
    stop, no. go, not really. reliable, defiantly not. Carry a load ? about the same as a small Japanese ute. Go offload? not a chance the Yankee 4×4 are to heavy for that.
    big brash and pointless.
    The reason why Japanese cars dominate the usa automotive landscape and Chrysler Ford and GM are on the verge of bankruptcy.To easy to sell the same old crap to rednecks with out any change for decades. then we hit a gas crissis and no one wants the big dinosaur rubbish .

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  91. Nookin (3,473 comments) says:

    “How would John Key like it if HIS children, Stephanie and Max were the victims of drone strikes?”

    Probably distraught beyond our capacity to appreciate, Penny. However, I do know one thing. He would not be in anywhere near the same state of distress as you would be if your children were among 1700 prisoners about to be summarily executed by Sunni extremists for no reason other than their religious beliefs and Jon Key said he was waiting for UN’s next monthly meeting for its blessing.

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  92. stephieboy (3,414 comments) says:

    Redbaiter,

    They’d have to be nut nut nut nutters right???

    Correct. ! including you of course..

    Pay to put more effort in to repairing your clapped out blog (rather than British cars ) that no one visits.

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  93. Redbaiter (9,662 comments) says:

    “The Ford F-Series was the best-selling vehicle in the United States in 2013. Ford’s pickup has held onto this spot for the last 32 years, and has had the honor of being the country’s best-selling truck for 37 years.”

    http://www.autoblog.com/2014/01/06/top-10-best-selling-vehicles-2013/

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  94. RRM (10,034 comments) says:

    :lol: and red drives a usa pickup

    I’m not surprised, he seems like the kind of person who would pick a car based on whether or not it affirms his political views.

    For added credibility points, is he capable of saying what make, model and year it is?

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  95. Pete George (23,688 comments) says:

    The Labour list: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1406/S00372/labour-list-for-the-2014-election-announced.htm

    There are 34 women and 30 men on the list – but that’s only because 21 electorate candidates are not on the list, 16 men and 5 women.

    So Mallard and Curran are not on the list, along with Faafoi, Dyson and Nash, as expected.

    Winners on the Labour list:
    David Clark up from 49 in 2011 to 26 this year
    Iain Lees-Galloway from 37 to 24
    Loiusa Wall, not placed in 2011 is ranked 12
    Chris Hipkins rises from 30 to 9 this year
    David Shearer was 31 last time, ranked 13 for 2014
    Megan Woods rises from 47 to 20.

    Losers:
    Carol Beaumont down from 22 in 2011 to 27 this year
    Maryan Street, 7th in 2011 is ranked 15 this year
    Phil Goff, leader in 2011 and number 1 in 2011, is ranked 16

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/beehive-live/10181110/Beehive-Live-June-23-2014

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  96. Redbaiter (9,662 comments) says:

    “I’m not surprised, he seems like the kind of person who would pick a car based on whether or not it affirms his political views.”

    Rich considering what you drive. The epitome of LW insanity.

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  97. dime (10,137 comments) says:

    Dime is driving a brand new Ford Ranger :D

    The biggest ute I could find. its fucking obnoxious. it will never leave 2wd haha

    3.2 diesel. im getting 800km’s per tank. $95 to fill it up. love it.

    Now deciding on a weekend car…

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  98. mikenmild (11,798 comments) says:

    We’ve decided to do without a car to save on CO2 emissions.

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  99. RightNow (7,013 comments) says:

    That’s gold mikey, I’m still laughing.

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  100. mikenmild (11,798 comments) says:

    One tries.

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  101. G152 (388 comments) says:

    Did Mallard duck out?
    And Goneliffe has a few weeks left at the top of the pile before hes Dunliffe

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  102. All_on_Red (1,650 comments) says:

    No worries Mikey, I have four so I’ll keep the emissions up for you. Can’t have the planet getting cold can we. Let me know if you decide to give up breathing and I’ll buy another.

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  103. redqueen (583 comments) says:

    Notice the new Labour Party list has Kelvin Davis at No 18…

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11279991

    Article makes absolutely no mention of this…even though, in effect, it means he can now ‘relax’ and not really try ‘too hard’ in Te Tai Tokerau.

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  104. Pete George (23,688 comments) says:

    redqueen – no, Davis can’t relax, There’s a number of electorate MPs/candidates not on the list who are likely to get in so Davis is in an iffy zone depending on what level of support Labour might get.

    Rockape at WO suggests:

    At first glance it could look like this.
    Labour23% no Parker;25% no Jacinda; 28% no Little; 29% no Davies.

    That will depend on marginal electorate wins and losses.

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  105. dime (10,137 comments) says:

    Dime just hopes that worthless slug sepuloni misses out

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  106. All_on_Red (1,650 comments) says:

    Dime
    Yes we could do without the septic camel. She came close in Kelston last time though.
    Any thoughts on a second car?

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  107. OTGO (565 comments) says:

    In 2013 Ford posted a pre-tax profit of USD8.6 billion. That’s hardly on the verge of bankruptcy.

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  108. Nukuleka (350 comments) says:

    I’ve noticed that the later it is in the day the more pointless, witless and abusive most of the General Posts become. Is it because those with little to do and little of interest to say resort to cheap plonk to get them through to beddy-bye time?

    Just wondering.

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  109. dime (10,137 comments) says:

    All on Red – dunno. Id like a Porsche. but its tricky. i want a car thats fun to drive.. but with a porsche you run the risk of looking like a real asshole.

    obviously i wont be buying a new one.. so maybe a classic.. i dont want to look like the guy who cant afford a new porsche but is trying real hard!

    the other car im in love with at the moment is the Audi A5. but thats not a weekend car.. thats more of a car id drive when i get sick of the ute.

    not a lot else inspires me tbh

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  110. Chuck Bird (4,929 comments) says:

    I do not think I would want to have lunch with Slick Willie

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  111. Longknives (4,889 comments) says:

    I love pissing off the trendy lefties in the office who drive little ‘Eco-friendly’ smart cars…
    Grow some balls you wimps!

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  112. mikenmild (11,798 comments) says:

    It is well known that masculinity correlates strongly with car choice.

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  113. Manolo (14,086 comments) says:

    Tragic news for stephieboy: http://drudgereport.com/flashek.htm

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  114. RRM (10,034 comments) says:

    Rich considering what you drive. The epitome of LW insanity.

    In all seriousness weddy – do you EVER stop thinking about politics?

    I mean EVER?

    I’m restoring my old car because I like the smell of old wood and leather; and I like driving an old car that communicates to the driver everything that is happening on the road instead of just doing it all for you; and I like driving an old car that possesses far greater performance and handling than what modern road conditions demand, or other people on the road expect. It’s a lot more fun driving an old car at 104km/h than it is driving a new car at 104km/h. It’s not quite riding a bike, but it’s a lot more fun than sitting on your arse in a modern…

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  115. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Longknives (4,273 comments) says:
    June 23rd, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    You constantly refer to me as a leftie – I drive V8 Holden SS-V (it is red though, because everyone knows red cars go faster!)

    Does that mean I have grown some balls, or that your theory is flawed?

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  116. UrbanNeocolonialist (310 comments) says:

    A naive question regarding Liu’s wine and book purchases in 2007: are they not subject to GST? (if they were treated as purchases to avoid the need to declare them as donations), and if so then wouldn’t there need to be records kept by the labour party?

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  117. Manolo (14,086 comments) says:

    For Griff’s delight. News on the falsity of AGW, his motive for living: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/10916086/The-scandal-of-fiddled-global-warming-data.html

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  118. Don the Kiwi (1,794 comments) says:

    mikenmild (10,178 comments) says:
    June 23rd, 2014 at 4:24 pm
    It is well known that masculinity correlates strongly with car choice.

    :lol: :lol: And mikey’s not buying a car at all – no car, no correlation with masculinity.

    Knew all along that you are a bit of a sheila – man’s body??? I’ll have to ask Johnboy. ;-)

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  119. SGA (1,144 comments) says:

    Judith at 4:35 pm

    I drive V8 Holden SS-V (it is red though, because everyone knows red cars go faster!)

    You’re determined to turn Johnboy into a incoherent, quivering, libidinous wreck, aren’t you.

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  120. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    Mr Farrar give larry williams a guest post ,i want to see if this NewstalkZB fuckwit who kissis your shadow can string a sentence together,.Fuck two dummies from the right garrett and williams dribbling together could bring you closer to Slater in the ratings
    ps a criminal and a radio idiot , nationals strike wing

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  121. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ UrbanNeocolonialist (161 comments) says:
    June 23rd, 2014 at 4:42 pm

    Firstly, Liu is yet to provide any evidence that such transactions took place.
    Secondly, you need to add to that list the painting that he now says Helen Clarke signed for him.
    Thirdly, if the transactions did take place, and they were at an event that was hosted by someone else, and the proceeds donated to Labour, like other such auctions run for National, then they do not have to be declared.
    Lastly, in the relevant year, Labour did declare money given to them, via lawyers, from undisclosed recipients, and this may have come from the similar situation, in which case it doesn’t have to be declared.

    However, until such time as Liu proves he did pay some money to Labour – it is nothing but gossip, and we all know that the self respecting and highly moral National voters wouldn’t listen to unsubstantiated gossip – would they.

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  122. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ SGA (699 comments) says:
    June 23rd, 2014 at 4:44 pm

    There is the occasional sign I might be succeeding! :-)

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  123. Chuck Bird (4,929 comments) says:

    “I drive V8 Holden SS-V”

    What is the displacement of the engine?

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  124. Pete George (23,688 comments) says:

    Toby Manhire finds the wine auction:

    Revealed: Labour’s signed-wine fundraiser

    Catalogue including “bottle of wine signed by Helen Clark” appears to be 2007 event identified by Donghua Liu.

    That mysterious Labour Party fundraiser from 2007?

    Donghua Liu has said he paid $100,000 for a bottle of signed wine at a fundraiser (on 3/6/2007, according to his statement, published by the Herald on Sunday), and Labour have responded by insisting they have no record of any such donation, nor any such fundraiser (the backstory is summarised here).

    Looks like it wasn’t June 3, or the other 3/6, March 6, but Saturday June 30.

    The Labour Party called it their “Mid-Winter Celebration”, and it was a big, glittering event.

    The auction was conducted by Webbs at Old Sofrana House in Britomart, Auckland. According to the run sheet, guests were welcomed by then party president Mike Williams and addressed by then prime minister Helen Clark.

    Lots going under the hammer included some very impressive paintings and other artwork, a signed copy of Nelson Mandela’s autobiography, stills from Bro’Town, a “night of decadence at SkyCity”, a harbour cruise with Chris Carter, a “catered private dinner with prime minister the Rt Hon Helen Clark”, to provide “a unique opportunity for intimate conversation around the table with the nation’s highest elected official, and – drum roll – a “bottle of wine signed by Helen Clark”.

    http://www.listener.co.nz/current-affairs/politics/revealed-labours-signed-wine-fundraiser/

    Just what Labour wanted to overshadow their list launch.

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  125. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Chuck Bird (4,550 comments) says:
    June 23rd, 2014 at 4:52 pm

    I would have no idea whatsoever of any of the technical garb about it. I hop in I drive it – if it faulters (which has happened occasionally because the computer seems extremely touchy) the ol’ boy takes care of it. Apart from looking under the bonnet on the day we picked it up, I’ve never done it since. There is a book here somewhere about it, I could look up – if I could be bothered, which I can’t.

    I drive it – servicing it etc is blokes work.

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  126. Don the Kiwi (1,794 comments) says:

    dime.

    Can I make a couple of suggestions?

    I have 2 sons – one is 42, and the other is 44. The oldest had a Subaru GT, the a Imprezza WRX STI. Then he got a job with a finance company and they gave him a new Falcon. But since then he can have the vehicle of his choice – so he’s got a Toyota Hilux 4WD dual cab with all the fruit, so he can tow his 23 ft. boat and take his missus and kids too. He bought her a 2006 Subaru Outback 6 cylinder baby – and it goes like the powers .

    My other son from the time he was 18 had 2 Nissan Skyline 2 doors, that he altered the turbo boost on anf they were both frightening. He had a Subaru Imprezza WRX STI also, but his wife didn’t like driving around in it because everyone stared at her. She said it was because of the ‘Rev head’ car – but I suspect they were checking her out as well – she is a very pretty blonde, even after 2 kids. So he bought her a 2013 Subaru Legacy with all the fruit as well – just ‘looks’ much more sedate.
    He drives a Ford dual cab ute 4 WD for his work as a builder, but he loves the older Mustangs. He’s going to get a 1966 fast back GT in from the states, fully rstored with all the updated suspension etc. But you can buy new ones for about the same price .
    Porsche are great cars, but I agree with your dilemma ;-) Why not go the full hog and get one of those great looking Audi v8 sports coupes? Only set you back about $200k. :-)

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  127. SGA (1,144 comments) says:

    Chuck Bird at 4:52 pm

    What is the displacement of the engine?

    6 litres, I think (but don’t quote me on that).

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  128. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Pete George (22,261 comments) says:
    June 23rd, 2014 at 4:52 pm

    Good, so now there is a date, Liu should be able to prove the transaction and what he paid, because until he does, it means very little. There was never any doubt the event took place, because there was enough evidence for that – its just who bought what, and at what price that is the issue – personally I think Liu is insane – his tweets last night indicate that he’s a bit wobbly on it.

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  129. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    SGA (700 comments) says:
    June 23rd, 2014 at 4:57 pm

    It is a 6.0 if that is what the displacement means?

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  130. ShawnLH (5,761 comments) says:

    “Actually, igm, I am rather pro-US.

    That’s because you are a Godless fool who ‘who has been totally brainwashed and are happy to be a serf”

    I’m pro US Andrie. Does that make me Godless?

    Aologists for Kremlin propaganda are in no position to be talking about other people being brainwashed.

    Dick.

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  131. dirty harry (520 comments) says:

    More feral natives jailed..goodbye scum

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/10187943/Killers-get-added-jail-sentences

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  132. ShawnLH (5,761 comments) says:

    “Don the Kiwi,

    oh dear yet another one who can’t stand the thought of a Blackman in the Whiter House.”

    Stephie that’s a stupid argument, and you know it.

    I oppose Obama because I oppose his policies. That is true of most people, including the Tea Party folks, and certainly Don the Kiwi, who has to my knowledge never expressed a racist sentiment.

    Get another comeback. That one makes you look like Redbaiter.

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  133. Pete George (23,688 comments) says:

    We may or may not find out whether Liu moved a zero from the date to the price.

    But regardless the auction details show that Labour did very much what National have done in their fundraising, including auctioning time with MPs and with the Prime Minister

    22. DINNER WITH THE PM
    A private dinner with Prime Minister
    the Rt. Hon. Helen Clark. A unique
    opportunity for intimate conversation around
    the table with the nation’s highest elected
    official.

    Labour hypocrisy on a platter.

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  134. Griff (8,203 comments) says:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry_crisis_of_2008%E2%80%9310
    meh
    So the Yankee car industry lives on to the next crisis
    Ready for another bail out from the taxpayers and workers retirement funds.

    Griff has 3xfergie tractors. 2.5 L 2/ efi tinny. 0.8 L 2/ tinny. 2.5L 2/ diesel yacht 200hpdiesel launch and only one car.
    if I revved them all at once I can out pollute any one of you.
    bwahahahahaha
    he who dies with most toys wins!

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  135. All_on_Red (1,650 comments) says:

    Dime
    You don’t seem the type too worried about what people think! The thing about Porsches(and I presume you mean 911’s) is that they are so versatile, the engineering is sublime and they have a really nice “feel” and connection to the road . I find Audi’s a bit numb tbh. An M3 is better and not so ” obvious “.
    Maseratis are cool but I prefer small cars. They depreciate like nothing else though and I hear bad things about running costs out of Warranty .A 430 Ferrari is a great car and surprisingly not too expensive to run. The sound will make your hair stand on end but the cock factor is high. Buy a Coupe and wear sunglasses…
    Japanese sports cars are brilliant. The GTR is a tour de force but I reckon if you’re going spoil yourself get something with a special interior. They’re all a bit plastic. Besides imagine the conversation;
    Your mate:I hear you spent $100 k + on a sports car. What do you get?
    Dime: I bought a Nissan…

    Mikey- do you like art? Of course you do. Some cars are a form of art.

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  136. All_on_Red (1,650 comments) says:

    Dime
    Forgot to say, a Classic Porsche is as much as, if not more than a new one today. They’re being sucked up by international investors. You’re about five years too late. Woulda coulda shoulda

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  137. Pete George (23,688 comments) says:

    Rob Salmond @rsalmond

    @toby_etc I am familiar with the event. The wine you refer to sold for $1,600, and I have seen the record proving it was not to Mr Liu.

    I have not seen guest list, but I have seen purchase list. No “Donghua.” No “Liu.”

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  138. Nookin (3,473 comments) says:

    “However, until such time as Liu proves he did pay some money to Labour – it is nothing but gossip…”

    It seems to me that this is directly analogous to the following further proposition:
    “Until such time as Judith proves that the Minister of Justice did anything other than omit the cost of the dinner from the pecuniary interests register the allegation of corruption is nothing but gossip…”

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  139. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Nookin (2,939 comments) says:
    June 23rd, 2014 at 5:44 pm

    But I’m not a party to the alleged corruption, only commentating on it.

    Liu is – therefore if he is going to state he conducted a certain action he needs to prove he did just that – just like Ms Collins claims she conducted a certain action, in that it was a private dinner, she needs to prove that’s exactly what it was – so far the evidence doesn’t backup her statement (e.g. she said it was on the way to the air port – it wasn’t).

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  140. RRM (10,034 comments) says:

    What a great advert for the Labour party this is – donate a big pile of money to them, and later the leader will come out and call you a liar in public!

    And they expect us to vote for them to run the country!

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  141. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    RRM (9,278 comments) says:
    June 23rd, 2014 at 6:00 pm

    Oh, so you have some evidence that the donation was made? Please feel free to show us the transaction evidence, I’m happy to accept either a transaction from Liu’s account or a transaction into Labour’s coffers – any of their accounts will do.

    Do you also have a picture of the painting that Liu claimed last night that Helen Clarke signed for him? I’d love to see it.

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  142. nasska (11,827 comments) says:

    I wonder who Peter Leitch will be voting for this year.

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  143. RRM (10,034 comments) says:

    You keep doing exactly what you’re doing Judith… tell all your friends to do it too. It’s bad for Labour and, therefore, good for New Zealand. :-)

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  144. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    RRM (9,279 comments) says:
    June 23rd, 2014 at 6:00 pm
    What a great advert for the Labour party this is – donate a big pile of money to them, and later the leader will come out and call you a liar in public!

    And they expect us to vote for them to run the country!

    Most WHITE voting NZs are tired of RICH sleazy communist chinese buying there way into NZ and BASHING there families,Labour or national if they let triad shit in with mega millions in you get a scrumy asian slit causing problems

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  145. cha (4,087 comments) says:

    Obummer said he would fundamentally change America – and he is doing by absolute misuse of power – he is trying to destroy the USA as we know it. What a useless POS

    Shoulda gone in the offal hole – aye Deacon.
    /

    .
    O’dumba is a communist – pure and simple – same as his Kenyan father and whore mother were.

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/10/general_debate_17_october_2013.html#comment-1219568

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  146. mikenmild (11,798 comments) says:

    All class, our Donnie.

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  147. RightNow (7,013 comments) says:

    It would be uncharacteristic of Liu not to save face. I expect Labour are about to wish they’d never smeared Liu.

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  148. dime (10,137 comments) says:

    don – i like the WRX’s. but they are a touch boy racerish. i think they would be fun though.

    all on red – an M3 could be an option! not new. i dont want spend that sorta cash. a few years old though.. a nice v8 in it…

    half the fun is taking my time making the choice too :D

    not long ago i almost got a brand new camaro.. til i found out it was just a commodore underneath! also no head room at all.

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  149. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    O’dumba is a communist – pure and simple – same as his Kenyan father and whore mother were.

    Cha do you go to the same clinic as IGM two fuckwits opps patients with anger management problems,Mr Farrar thanks for letting IGM and Cha post from the clinic thats a good treatment for them YOU ARE THE MAN Mr Farrar letting this happen for these poor shitters, such anger i hope they are secured and are drugged after every post.

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  150. OneTrack (3,237 comments) says:

    “What is the displacement of the engine?”

    How much will it cost to fill once the Greens Carbon Tax comes in, and the exchange rate drops once the investors start pulling their money out of the country?

    Will it still be allowed on the road once the Green Taliban get themselves behind the treasury benches, or it will be declared an “Enemy of Gaia”?

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  151. Fletch (6,502 comments) says:

    I saw Heather what’s-her-name on Seven Sharp holding up photos of Colin Craig and mocking him. Isn’t that political electioneering against a candidate by the State broadcaster?

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  152. Don the Kiwi (1,794 comments) says:

    “Cha (3,697 comments) says:
    June 23rd, 2014 at 6:25 pm
    Obummer said he would fundamentally change America – and he is doing by absolute misuse of power – he is trying to destroy the USA as we know it. What a useless POS

    Shoulda gone in the offal hole – aye Deacon.”

    What’s your point, cha?
    Do you have an issue with me personally, or that I’m a deacon?

    Come out of the closet, and tell us what you really mean. Or don’t you think i shouldn’t have a personal opinion?

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  153. Don the Kiwi (1,794 comments) says:

    “mikenmild (10,179 comments) says:
    June 23rd, 2014 at 6:51 pm
    All class, our Donnie.”

    And there’s mikey again, still unsure of his masculinity, it appears. :-)

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  154. goldnkiwi (1,552 comments) says:

    Judith (6,761 comments) says:

    June 23rd, 2014 at 6:03 pm

    Not a fan of Helen Clark but I am damned if a Helen Clarke is of any repute. I saw this spelling on a plaque at the Shotover also, appalling.

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  155. ShawnLH (5,761 comments) says:

    “o easy to sell the same old crap to rednecks ”

    Griff, Liberals use the term redneck (wrongly) to mean people who live in the country and hate black people.

    That would be an accurate description of you, wouldn’t it?

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  156. Griff (8,203 comments) says:

    Who said I hate black people?
    just because I think some Maori are living in a destructive culture that is enabled by apologists and have a view of history based on reality not revisionists rewrites and the treaty industry.
    ignorant idiot :lol:
    Redneck – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck
    The term Redneck is chiefly used for a poor rural white person of the Southern United States.
    Urban Dictionary: Redneck Truck
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=redneck+truck
    Most comonly a two wheel drive chevy or ford … A large American pickup truck owned and driven by an ignorant male redneck.

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  157. Manolo (14,086 comments) says:

    Hypocrisy to the nth degree: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/10920198/Greenpeace-executive-flies-250-miles-to-work.html

    Environmental group campaigns to curb growth in air travel but defends paying a senior executive to commute 250 miles to work by plane.

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  158. ciaron (1,441 comments) says:

    A selection of collectable Subaru’s for the cashed up Dime to contemplate, You’ll have all the boy racers bowing at your feet, chanting we’re not worthy :)

    http://www.subaruwrcspares.com/14.html

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