General Debate 24 June 2014

June 24th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Harriet (4,752 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  2. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    That’s pretty gay, Harriet.

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  3. Pete George (23,421 comments) says:

    The Conservative Party slogan is “Stand for Something”. Stand for what?

    A genuine question for Conservative supporters – what do you thing the New Zealand Conservative Party stands for?

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  4. Griff (7,219 comments) says:

    Vote Colon Crag Coned idiots party
    Get a ignorant god bothering wingnut who thinks the moon landings were a hoax.

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  5. Harriet (4,752 comments) says:

    “…..A genuine question for Conservative supporters – what do you thing the New Zealand Conservative Party stands for?…”

    What National USED to stand for! :cool:

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  6. wreck1080 (3,859 comments) says:

    “A drug addict who fleeced a woman out of more than $34,000 has been told by a judge that he does not have to repay her because it would take too long.”

    The victim says…
    ” “Of course I’m disappointed with regards to what the judge said about reparation. He [Harwood] could have made a token effort .”

    The victim is entirely right. Even a token payment should have been imposed.

    Another example of the crap justice system we have.

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  7. Ross12 (1,369 comments) says:

    So the GCSB has said it knows what Snowden’s stolen files contain about them.

    Norman’s response — the GCSB is a publically funded entity and Snowden’s files are now “public” so the GCSB should just tell us what the Snowden files contain about the GCSB.
    How did Norman get a PHD with logic like that ?? If the relevant files are public why does he have to ask for the details ?
    Norman sits on the Select Committee covering the GSCB — he clearly just goes along to drink the cup of tea because he has no idea about security and intelligence.

    This guy wants to be a Cabinet Minister –in his hands Greece will look like an economic miracle compared to where NZ would be heading.

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  8. kowtow (8,124 comments) says:

    Griff’s fabricating about Craig faster than the climate record’s been fabricated.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/06/23/Global-warming-Fabricated-by-NASA-and-NOAA

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  9. Elaycee (4,349 comments) says:

    wreck1080 (8.15am) is 100% correct.

    Druggie in Masterton cheats a woman out of $34k. He is caught / convicted. Judge somehow decides he doesn’t have to pay the money back because ‘it would take too long and he doesn’t have a job’… So the convicted druggie is given home detention!

    A totally gutless decision by the Judge: Judge Peter Butler said he could make a reparation order only where there was a prospect of it being paid back “in a reasonable time”. This was impossible in Harwood’s case, since he had no assets, no job and no savings.

    Memo to Judge Butler: Take money from this prick’s benefit.

    Sorted.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/10191039/Addict-let-off-repaying-swindled-woman#Séquence_1

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  10. Harriet (4,752 comments) says:

    “…..Norman sits on the Select Committee covering the GSCB…”

    What good could he ever add to a government security service? Seriously?

    Select committees are obviously bullshit!!

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  11. ciaron (1,414 comments) says:

    Griff (6,457 comments) says:

    June 24th, 2014 at 8:05 am

    Vote Colon Crag Coned idiots party
    Get a ignorant god bothering wingnut who thinks the moon landings were a hoax.

    I think we cleared this up yesterday.

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  12. Colville (2,239 comments) says:

    I quite like this bit of policy from the Conservatives.

    The return to a single voter roll in New Zealand.
    •There needs to be an end to the division of the voter roll on the basis of race. As this is a change to the way the people are represented we believe a binding referendum should be held to ratify this proposal.

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  13. Colville (2,239 comments) says:

    Griff is just being his usual brain dead dope fucked up AGW trolling self.

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  14. Harriet (4,752 comments) says:

    “…That’s pretty gay, Harriet….” No it’s not Mike.

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  15. tvb (4,311 comments) says:

    If the Maori Party no longer support National then that will clear the way to remove the Maori seats.

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  16. Colville (2,239 comments) says:

    No Harriet its not gay its just pathetic.

    That is the kind of comment that would be allowed at the Stranded as long as it was attacking the Blue team, if it was attacking the Red team it would be a year ban. (and a lecture from The Worlds Greatest SysOp)

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  17. calendar girl (1,213 comments) says:

    It’s taking this Government far too long to implement simple and obvious policies that have already been signalled or announced. First was the change to 12 months for WoFs on cars of 3+ years manufactured 2000 or later; that finally came into effect over the last month or so having been mooted a couple of years back and finally confirmed politically about nine months ago. Needless to say, our own family car and trailer missed out by some 13 days, and now require new WoFs in December.

    The same kind of political and bureaucratic delays seem to be occurring with the overdue change back to 10-year passports. The PM announced a couple of months ago that such a change was “likely”, following a positive Select Committee report; he was then waiting for a report from Minister Peter Dunne. Nothing has been heard since, it seems.

    My passport has just been renewed till June 2019. Because I renewed a bit earlier (the passport could not be used for its last 3 months in many relevant countries), I lost 49 days of my overall passport coverage before I even received it. Effectively, my new passport extends that coverage by:
    – 4 years 45 weeks at best;
    – 4 years 32 weeks in quite a number of countries (arrival there at least 3 months before expiry);
    – 4 years 19 weeks in a few more difficult countries (arrival there at least 6 months before expiry.

    The personal costs and frustrations of these delays in implementing such relatively simple measures cause you to wonder whether anyone really cares about the ordinary citizen, or the ordinary voter for that matter. In an Election year, you would think there would be some hurry-up in relation to voter-friendly “initiatives”, but the cumbersome machinery of government grinds on at its own pace.

    Does nobody in power recognise the ongoing drag on our economy caused by this kind of all-pervasive “maňana” lethargy?

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  18. Colville (2,239 comments) says:

    Where does WhinestonFirst stand on the racist seats?

    Isnt He Italian? LOL

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  19. Harriet (4,752 comments) says:

    “…..No Harriet its not gay its just pathetic….”

    No Colville.

    Argueing that adults can have sex with children is whats pathetic.

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  20. Changeiscoming (176 comments) says:

    Colville – Winston has the same position but he has had years to do something about it and he hasn’t. He is just talk and bluster.

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  21. ciaron (1,414 comments) says:

    Harriet (4,345 comments) says:

    June 24th, 2014 at 8:35 am

    “…..No Harriet its not gay its just pathetic….”

    No Mike.

    Argueing that adults can have sex with children is whats pathetic.

    Really? I knew he said he had no philosophical problem with adult incest, where does the sex with kids thing come from?

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  22. Judith (8,531 comments) says:

    @ calendar girl (1,155 comments) says:
    June 24th, 2014 at 8:32 am

    It appears not. They seem to be too worried about spying on each other, and seeing who can dig up enough evidence for another round of dirt slinging, rather than attend to the actual business of running the country. Instead they allow new immigrants to control the political environment, and side issues that are of little importance to anyone actually trying to improve their lot in this once great country to distract – one has to wonder if it is on purpose.

    Less than three months to the election, and apart from a smattering of hints and minor policies, we are still unaware of the complete package being offered. But then as you point out, there isn’t much point in even knowing that, because they take so long to actually do anything about it – in the meantime we lose money, time, and continue to be stressed by whatever should have been addressed, was promised to be addressed, and hasn’t.

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  23. Paulus (2,590 comments) says:

    Why are so many people here viciously against Colin Craig ?
    What are they so afraid of ?
    Colin Craig is not a queer, but is a married family orientated male. We know that this frowned upon today thanks to the social engineering of Helen Clark. Not what she wants for New Zealand. Must be female, homosexual, party and union members, public service employees, and TV entertainers, and never had to work for a living, but have been brought up on the public purse
    The media are equally simplistic but that is par for the course.

    At present in Tauranga there is a very nasty campaign led by the Herald’s offshoot condemning Simon Bridges, and led by somebody homosexual called Coffee from Rotorua, on the Government policy in respect of offshore drilling and the save the 55 Dolphins.
    Drilling has taken place in their current habitat, particularly with Labour permission over 40 years, with no adverse effect to their behaviour.
    Where drilling is sought is over 200kms from where the known dolphins are (among the existing rigs).
    Media have nothing else to do obviously.

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  24. Harriet (4,752 comments) says:

    ciaron#

    “…..Really? I knew he said he had no philosophical problem with adult incest, where does the sex with kids thing come from?…’

    I was of the understanding he also argued that point – but maybe I’m wrong?

    If I am wrong I most certainly didn’t mean to suggest anything bad towards Jamie Whyte. And he certainly has my sincere apoligies if I am.

    I’ve mentioned what I’ve said above before here at KB and no one has said anything – and DPF hasn’t given me any demirits before – and he hasn’t today either?

    BTW. I do live in aussie and I nearly always only get NZ news from KB – or the links from it. I haven’t read what Mr Whyte has said – I simply just picked up on what others said – and took incest for being ‘incest’.

    If DPF gives me demerits fair enough – and I’ll send in an apology as it’s certainly wrong what I’ve said.

    Thanks for pointing that out. Cheers.

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  25. Nigel Kearney (962 comments) says:

    The Conservative’s opposition to foreign investment makes them impossible for reasonable people to vote for. Not because it’s a bad policy, though it is an awful one. The problem is that it reveals their socialist mindset.

    If a foreign investor buys assets and takes the resulting profits offshore, we haven’t lost anything because we have the money they used to buy the asset and can use that to create more wealth, in addition to the benefit of any jobs and taxes from the asset they now own.

    We don’t want a party in Parliament that can’t understand basic economics and puts wealth redistribution ahead of wealth creation. There’s too much risk of them turning into another NZ First.

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  26. Judith (8,531 comments) says:

    @ Harriet (4,345 comments) says:
    June 24th, 2014 at 8:21 am

    Norman sitting on that committee assists in providing balance. Even a government that wins an election does not get to do everything they want. They must be accountable and fair in their actions. Having someone like Norman sitting on that committee is part of that process. This is not a dictatorship – yet.

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  27. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Q: What do you think UnitedFuture stands for?
    A: The highest bidder.

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  28. Harriet (4,752 comments) says:

    Nigel #

    “…..we haven’t lost anything because we have the money they used to buy the asset…”

    Where do you get the ‘we’ from – or are you only talking about public assets?

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  29. Nostalgia-NZ (5,085 comments) says:

    Note that yesterday DPF referred to the claims by Liu regarding the donations as ‘allegations.’ In fact they remain unproven even today whereas a couple of days ago they were being set in concrete. I was interested in the claim about the statement, it has the modus operandi status of the Brown affair, also premature. I think Mr Liu is a master of deception with loyalty only to himself – surprised that he might have taken in the National Party, again.

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  30. Judith (8,531 comments) says:

    Paulus (2,430 comments) says:
    June 24th, 2014 at 8:51 am
    Why are so many people here viciously against Colin Craig ?
    What are they so afraid of ?

    I am against Colin Craig and afraid that his whacky sense of politics will harm this country should he get the ability to influence any decisions.

    That is not based on him being weird, we are all weird in our own little way because each of us is unique – but because he doesn’t know what the hell he is talking about.

    For example, his criticism of the two referendums on smacking and assets sales. To make it clear I was against asset sales, but in favour of the antismacking legislation, but think it needs to be clearly defined, as at present it is not.

    Colin Craig however critiques Key and the government for not listening to the two referendums on these issues and states he would alter the laws to suite them.

    Both those referendums were poorly worded and poorly constructed, including questionable processes. John Key was perfectly right in rejecting and refusing to accept either of them.

    And that is the difference. John Key probably doesn’t know the first thing about a well worded referendum but is astute enough to take advice, listen to it, and not be influenced by emotion. Colin Craig on the other hand is influenced by emotion, and prepared to act on a poorly worded documents, to change legislation. The implications of that sort of inefficiency, if he was allowed to influence our politics could be tremendous. I’m sure he’s a lovely man – but lovely men tend not to make good politicians.

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  31. Chthoniid (2,029 comments) says:

    @Paulus

    I’m not against Craig. I don’t intend voting for him (and as a voter in ECB I have that option)- but if he runs a successful electoral campaign to win 5% of the vote, or a seat, then good on him. He can be in Parliament.

    What I object to is an inept campaign of petty manipulation, to try to get a free run at the ECB seat. I object to the assumption I’d vote for him when he’s made no effort to earn that vote. And if the Nats give in to that strategy, then that lack of principle will cost them my vote. I survived 9 years of Helengrad. I can survive 3 years of an squabbling, paralysed coalition of the left.

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  32. Judith (8,531 comments) says:

    Manolo (13,066 comments) says:
    June 24th, 2014 at 8:57 am
    Q: What do you think UnitedFuture stands for?
    A: The highest bidder.

    And well groomed hair. :-)

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  33. Griff (7,219 comments) says:

    :lol:
    Actually pooh pusher it was in context to Harriets post above it.
    Colon is a religious fruitcake that is obvious.
    he also extremely ignorant. chem trails, moon landings, creationist theory, agw hoax, is fringe loony material.
    Double standard alert buying votes is ok on the right yet when dot com does it you all go spare
    That is what Colon is doing pushing money into a single person party that some think has a conservative platform.\

    http://www.conservativeparty.org.nz/index.php?page=Issues

    Binding referenda :lol: yip the majority support legal pot, gay marriage,nuclear policy ETS and don’t want asset sales It is a home goal .
    Work for the dole and prisoners. Its been tried before and results in huge costs and massive rorts.
    More controls on alcohol drugs and gambling = more controls on alcohol and gambling drugs are not controlled now with prohibition.
    Natural health products remain widely available with no undue restrictions. Moon bat award for support of alt med ripoffs

    The rest is just feel good platitudes like reduce spending and blah blah blah

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  34. Andrei (2,536 comments) says:

    LOL – I got heaps of thumbs down for pointing this out on thread a while back but now the Polish Foreign Minister has noted it.

    I wasn’t as crude as Mr Sikorski of course

    The Polish-American alliance is not worth anything. It’s even damaging, because it creates a false sense of security in Poland,” Sikorski allegedly said.

    “Complete bullshit,” the tape purportedly records Sikorski as saying. “We will get a conflict with both Russians and Germans, and we’re going to think that everything is great, because we gave the Americans a blowjob. Suckers. Total suckers.”

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  35. Harriet (4,752 comments) says:

    “…..Colin Craig however critiques Key and the government for not listening to the two referendums on these issues and states he would alter the laws to suite them…..”

    You miss the point Judith;

    Their major policy is in having public referendums themselves.

    Switzerland has had them for over 100yrs.

    Are the Swiss racist? Sexist? Homophobic? Poor? ect?

    No they are not, the Swiss are known as very very civil people in Europe.

    There is no slippery slope Judith – just the free will for EVERY kiwi to have a conscience vote on issues in NZ.

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  36. wf (414 comments) says:

    @ Calendar Girl @ 8.32:

    1st world problems I’m afraid.

    Adjust.

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  37. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Greg Presland, aka Micky Savage, the incompetent third-rate lawyer that makes a living as advisor to Silent T, pays homage to Key:

    John Key is a phenomenally good politician. This is not a compliment in a conventional sense. A politician should aspire to being more than just successful. There ought to be a public benefit arising from their stewardship.

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  38. Ross12 (1,369 comments) says:

    Judith @ 8.21

    Of course having Norman and other opposition MPs on the Select Committee is to provide a range of views. But in his statement on radio today about the GCSB , he clearly shows he doesn’t really understand how the SIS and GCSB works and what their role is. Helen Clarke had a golden rule about them –she made absolutely no comments about them ( especially operational matters) , which how it should be.

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  39. Gulag1917 (851 comments) says:

    What does Mr John Key stand for or does he just follow every fashion?

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  40. Judith (8,531 comments) says:

    @ Ross12 (1,090 comments) says:
    June 24th, 2014 at 9:18 am

    I don’t agree. I think the public need to be aware of how these services, which we pay for are operating etc. They are accountable to us. Sure, we don’t need to know, and shouldn’t know the intricate details of who is being investigated for obvious reasons, but I’m sorry – I believe in open, transparent and honest governance. Helen Clarke was wrong IMO.

    When a government keeps secrets from its people, unless it is to do with protecting the innocent, it can only lead to corruption.

    No secrets, no lies, truth and transparency, and most of all accountability. The party that offers that and provides it, will get my vote (sadly none of them do).

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  41. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Great news for Griff and AGW alarmists: http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8864463/may-global-temperature-hits-all-time-high

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  42. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Come clean, Judith. We all know you will vote Labour or for your mate, the crook Winston First. :D

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  43. Judith (8,531 comments) says:

    @ Harriet (4,348 comments) says:
    June 24th, 2014 at 9:16 am

    I agree, in essence with what you say, but a referendum that is poorly worded and therefore misleading does not prove anything. People sign it under false illusion of what it stands for.

    No responsible government should accept such a document unless it is clear and precise on what it is advocating. It is irresponsible and undemocratic to accept anything that could be challenged due to its lack of clarity.

    A well worded referendum, that makes it perfectly clear what is being requested is fine, and I’m in favour of them as a means of forcing a government to accept and act – but I also expect a government not to act on referendums that are inefficient and therefore, do not reflect the true condition of the particular topic.

    I would have loved to see the asset referendum succeed, but I perfectly understand why it didn’t.

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  44. Judith (8,531 comments) says:

    @ Manolo (13,069 comments) says:
    June 24th, 2014 at 9:32 am

    Then what you ALL know isn’t correct. So i would give up crystal ball gazing if I was you.

    I will not vote for Cunliffe, and I don’t know whether I’d vote NZ Ist or not. I haven’t decided which of the minor parties will get my vote. I need to see who is offered in my area to decide my local vote, which will be who I think is offering the best for my area – they may even be the National candidate, it will be decided on the individual, not what party they stand for. The only things I can confirm is I will not be giving National my party vote, because I do not support John Key as their leader, and I will not be giving it to Labour, because I don’t support Cunliffe as their Leader.

    I am more in favour of the so called ‘left’ policies than I am of the right, however, there are many situations where those become blurred, so my choice tends to be eclectic.

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  45. Griff (7,219 comments) says:

    Its not great news as we are still not in El Nino conditions forecast to occur later this year
    When a strong El Nino does happen we should see significant rise above this record. Not good news for humanity’s future
    http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2014-06-22/news/50772456_1_indian-monsoon-eastern-pacific-high-pressure
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/10105566/Drought-looms-as-El-Nino-lurks-in-Pacific
    http://www.undercurrentnews.com/2014/06/23/sudden-jump-in-water-temperatures-evidence-an-irreversible-el-nino/

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  46. Judith (8,531 comments) says:

    Gulag1917 (494 comments) says:
    June 24th, 2014 at 9:26 am
    What does Mr John Key stand for …

    John Key

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  47. flipper (3,925 comments) says:

    Here we go again…the absolutists demanding that their way is the only way.

    Grow up, dear readers and take on board what have emphasised before: Politics, like diplomacy, is the art of the possible.

    And: The real majority is the middle. Control the middle, and you will win the game.

    Sorry, but it is true.

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  48. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Followers of the religion of peace unite in an attemptt to capture the city: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/06/23/isis-joins-forces-with-saddam-loyalists-in-bid-to-take-baghdad/

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  49. dime (9,788 comments) says:

    PG

    http://www.conservativeparty.org.nz/index.php?page=Principles

    and what Dung stands for

    http://en.clipdealer.com/preview/image/001/035/673/previews/2–1035673-Money%20Bundles.jpg

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  50. stephieboy (2,628 comments) says:

    One good things to come out of Bretbart is that they have come out emphatically against is the so called Creation Science,

    BILL NYE WARNS: CREATION VIEWS THREATEN U.S. SCIENCE

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/09/24/Bill-Nye-warns–Creation-views-threaten-US-science

    But not apparently so with the crazed Birther movement ,

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/01/05/breitbarts-birther-self-delusion/185831

    As for 9/11 as an inside job,? Well the Jury appears to be out on that one but Andrew appears to be happy to post their rants as well as Birther ones. Interesting to see how climate denial and these others seem to flock together.

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  51. Fletch (6,230 comments) says:

    And you wonder why the US is in such a mess. They are more interested in their liberal agendas.

    With much of the Obama administration’s foreign policy in tatters, John Kerry is clear on at least one goal he hopes to achieve by the end of his time as secretary of state: having lesbian, bisexual, and transgender ambassadors representing the United States. In remarks to a GLIFAA (formerly Gays and Lesbians in Foreign Affairs Agencies) Pride event in the Ben Franklin Room at the State Department, the secretary ran through a litany of accomplishments by the Obama administration that benefit the “LGBT/gay community.” During his speech, Kerry said that, if confirmed, Ted Osius (nominated by President Obama for the post in Vietnam) would be the sixth openly gay U.S. ambassador currently in service:

    So I am very proud of the progress that we are now making even in appointing LGBT ambassadors. I worked with the committee here at the State Department – with the D Committee, and I worked with the White House. And as a result, Ted Osius, sitting here, whom I’ve known a long time, and his family I know, will be the first openly LGBT officer nominated to serve as an ambassador in Asia. And on confirmation, he’s going to join five openly gay ambassadors who are now serving their country. I’m working hard to ensure that by the end of my tenure, we will have lesbian, bisexual, and transgender ambassadors in our ranks as well.

    As he began his talk, Kerry recognized GLIFAA event moderator, Robyn McCutcheon, as the “first transgender Foreign Service officer to come out on the job”:

    Robyn is the first transgender Foreign Service officer to come out on the job, and believe me it wasn’t easy. I think everybody here knows that. When she was posted in Bucharest, she faced a lot of prejudice, she had to deal with completely inappropriate judgments that people were making, questions about her abilities, but she didn’t just persevere. In the end, she won the hearts of the Ambassador, her career Foreign Service colleagues, Civil Service colleagues, and the local staff, and she actually made Embassy Bucharest a model of acceptance. She even authored the first State Department report on transgender issues, and she didn’t just get through a difficult period, she was determined to turn it into a precedent-setting event, and as a result she made it a lot easier for those – or at least a little easier for those who follow.

    The guest of honor at the event was Masha Gessen, whose Pink Triangle Campaign caused a stir in Russia after that country passed what Kerry termed “repressive anti-LGBT laws.” Kerry went on later to note that:

    …we now have hundreds of LGBT individuals in our bureaus at State, USAID, and at posts all around the world. Foreign Service Officers like Lucia Piazza – where is Lucia? Somewhere – is she here? Not here right now. But she’s here in Washington. Kerri Hannan in Buenos Aires. Michelle Schohn and her wife, Mary Glantz, in Tallinn.

    After pointing out a number of LGBT diplomats currently in service in the state department, Kerry said the “wonderful thing” is that no one looks at these individuals doing their jobs as “LGBT diplomats,” but just “diplomats”:

    And the wonderful thing about this is nobody looks at these folks when they’re out there and says, “Wow. That’s a great LGBT diplomat.” They look at them and say, “Those are great diplomats.” And that’s exactly how we make progress in this fight.

    Kerry went on to note the progress made in the fight against AIDS, the repeal of the military’s Don’t Ask Don’t Tell policy, the Supreme Court decision striking down the Defense of Marriage Act (which Kerry said would “never pass” Congress today,) and also changes in healthcare laws benefiting LGBT individuals. He particularly noted efforts to make sure the transgendered were fully covered, something he said was a right and not a privilege:

    I am proud that we worked with GLIFAA and Pat Kennedy to press OPM [Office of Personnel Management] to remove its exclusionary language from health insurance plans so that employees who have undergone a gender transition can get the health care that they need. And that’s what it means to fight and that’s what it means to win in a battle that we all know matters enormously, not as a matter of making these things a privilege, but to make sure that they are, in fact, a right.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/kerry-im-working-hard-have-lesbian-bisexual-and-transgender-ambassadors_795488.html

    http://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2014/06/228045.htm

    Interesting the remark, that’s exactly how we make progress in this fight. So having gay, lesbian and transgender diplomats is a “fight” and something he is really pushing – in fact, that the whole US Administration is pushing. See, that’s why the U.S is losing. They are more interested in the rights of sexual minorities (and getting them into positions of power) than anything else.

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  52. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Followers of the religion of peace unite in an attemptt to capture the city:

    Still got that diablos thingy going strong, Manolo?

    Whoever works righteousness, man or woman, and has faith, verily, to them will We give a new Life, a life that is good and pure, and We will bestow on such their reward according to the best of their actions.” Quran 16:97

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  53. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Don’t you think the US should have ambassadors of a diversity reflecting their community, Fletch?

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  54. Fletch (6,230 comments) says:

    One for Griff – NOAA has been tampering with temperature data for YEARS to give the appearance of warming. In reality, the U.S has been cooling since the 1930s.

    When future generations try to understand how the world got carried away around the end of the 20th century by the panic over global warming, few things will amaze them more than the part played in stoking up the scare by the fiddling of official temperature data. There was already much evidence of this seven years ago, when I was writing my history of the scare, The Real Global Warming Disaster. But now another damning example has been uncovered by Steven Goddard’s US blog Real Science, showing how shamelessly manipulated has been one of the world’s most influential climate records, the graph of US surface temperature records published by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

    Goddard shows how, in recent years, NOAA’s US Historical Climatology Network (USHCN) has been “adjusting” its record by replacing real temperatures with data “fabricated” by computer models. The effect of this has been to downgrade earlier temperatures and to exaggerate those from recent decades, to give the impression that the Earth has been warming up much more than is justified by the actual data. In several posts headed “Data tampering at USHCN/GISS”, Goddard compares the currently published temperature graphs with those based only on temperatures measured at the time. These show that the US has actually been cooling since the Thirties, the hottest decade on record; whereas the latest graph, nearly half of it based on “fabricated” data, shows it to have been warming at a rate equivalent to more than 3 degrees centigrade per century.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/10916086/The-scandal-of-fiddled-global-warming-data.html

    Meanwhile Australian PM Tony Abbot has introduced a bill to scrap the climate tax.

    CANBERRA, Australia (AP) — Prime Minister Tony Abbott reintroduced legislation to the Australian Parliament on Monday that would repeal a carbon tax that the nation’s worst greenhouse gas polluters have to pay.

    The opposition center-left Labor Party and minor Greens party used their Senate majority in March to block the bills that would remove the 24.15 Australian dollar ($22.79) tax per metric ton of carbon dioxide that was introduced by a Labor government in July 2012. The bills were defeated 33 votes to 29.

    But with new senators to take their seats on July 7 for the first time since Abbott’s conservative coalition government took power in an election in September, the bills are expected to be passed by a narrow margin.

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_AUSTRALIA_CLIMATE_CHANGE?SITE=MYPSP

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  55. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    @UT: I have told you over and over that the Quran is a piece of trash not worthy of attention.
    Who in his sane mind could believe the rantings/scribblings of a paedophile, who called himself a prophet?

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  56. Fletch (6,230 comments) says:

    Don’t you think the US should have ambassadors of a diversity reflecting their community, Fletch?

    I think they should have the people who can do the best job for the country, no matter what their sexuality. This doesn’t seem to be the case. So-called ‘diversity’ demands that they have a slew of LGBT people (never mind that their “community” makes up less than 3% of the population of most countries). It’s like with the media (TVNZ, I’m looking at you) and in government, where people from these minority groups are over-represented.

    This seems to be more important to liberals than actually having someone who can do the job.

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  57. calendar girl (1,213 comments) says:

    wf@9:17am: “1st world problems I’m afraid. Adjust.”

    They’re not problems that I, personally, can do anything practical to correct. I can only make the Government aware of its obvious shortcomings, and I look to the Government to do the necessary “adjust[ment]“.

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  58. dirty harry (446 comments) says:

    “I am against Colin Craig and afraid that his whacky sense of politics will harm this country should he get the ability to influence any decisions.”

    What about the racist maori party ? You would rather them than Colin Craig saddle up next to the Nats? The racist party has done more harm than good to NZ. The brown mafia is alive and well in NZ. We need to biff the brown party in favour of the Conservatives. Colin will bring us back over to the right where the Nats should be. Thats the biggest mistake Key has made..taking the Nats to the centre left..absolute disaster.

    Colin will sort it. Go Colin. All power to you.

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  59. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Well said, dirty harry.

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  60. Lucia Maria (2,261 comments) says:

    Andrei said:

    LOL – I got heaps of thumbs down for pointing this out on thread a while back but now the Polish Foreign Minister has noted it.

    I wasn’t as crude as Mr Sikorski of course

    The Polish-American alliance is not worth anything. It’s even damaging, because it creates a false sense of security in Poland,” Sikorski allegedly said.

    “Complete bullshit,” the tape purportedly records Sikorski as saying. “We will get a conflict with both Russians and Germans, and we’re going to think that everything is great, because we gave the Americans a blowjob. Suckers. Total suckers.”

    The release of this private conversation at this time is probably not a coincidence, as the Economist notes:

    The scandal is hitting the government of Donald Tusk at a time when Poland has been playing its strongest diplomatic hand in centuries. Warsaw has been a leading advocate of a tough EU response to Russia’s behaviour in Ukraine.

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  61. Redbaiter (8,249 comments) says:

    Clintonoid- “I’m not against Craig.”

    Bullshit.

    Like so many others who flock to this forum you identify yourself by your obsessive atheism and your hatred and intolerance of anyone who dares to be a Christian or advocate for Christianity.

    Craig is proud to be Christian and that means he’ll never get your vote, no matter how he campaigns or what policies he promotes.

    Be honest about it you horrible bigot. You’ll white ant Craig as much as you can because of you’re obsession with atheism.

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  62. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    When are lefties on here going to stop referring to weirdos as gay. Do they not realise “gay” is a nice adjective, and does not depict the deviants they are describing.

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  63. Griff (7,219 comments) says:

    Fletch we had an independent review of the temperature record by the best team headed by doctor muller a skeptic of man made warming.
    it found the same result of the other four usually referenced temperature series.

    You and kow tow are posting
    point refuted a thousand times,
    AKA pratt’s http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Point_refuted_a_thousand_times

    http://berkeleyearth.org/summary-of-findings

    Informed skeptics have rightly raised several common
    sense concerns about the historical temperature compiled by climate scientists. Those issues were investigated by an independent group of scientists* who were concerned about the accuracy of previous work.This is what they found:

    In some cases, the historical records have undergone
    adjustments to account for changes in observation practices. Critics were rightly suspicious of these adjustments.The independent study took a hands-off approach and put all their programs and data online for others to try.Surveys of temperature stations in the U.S. indicated that many stations may be inaccurate. The independent study compared good and poor quality stations, and determined that although absolute temperatures were sometimes biased, the poor stations gave accurate estimates of temperature changes.Data selection bias Urban heat island effect Data adjustments Poor station quality
    When the independent study corrected for all of these issues, it confirmed that the world has warmed 1.5toC, or 2.8o
    F, over the past 250 years.

    You are trolling the denial sphere to bring up often debunked rubbish.

    Massive conspiracy by all the worlds scientific bodies the un the world bank the Pentagon etc etc etc
    or a network of wing nut blogs that peddle rubbish for easily confused idiots.
    occums razor
    says you are an idiot for the blog anti science you believe in.

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  64. Redbaiter (8,249 comments) says:

    Flipper- “Control the middle, and you will win the game.”

    Can’t you get the message Flip??

    Its your job to bring the middle to the National Party, just as its Labour’s job to bring the middle to the left.

    What people are pissed off about is the fact that all the bringing to the center has been done by Labour. You’d have to be a complete knuckle dragger to not acknowledge that NZ and the National Party have drifted left for decades.

    That means you and the Nats have failed.

    That’s what the issue is Flipper. You need to understand that. The National party’s ideological weakness is just not going to be tolerated any more. Do your job. Restore your founding principles and bring the center to them. Stop surrendering. Fight.

    “To promote good citizenship and self-reliance; to combat communism and socialism; to maintain freedom of contract; to encourage private enterprise; to safeguard individual rights and the privilege of ownership; to oppose interference by the State in business, and State control of industry”.

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  65. EAD (927 comments) says:

    Is there anything more I like seeing than President Zero and John Kohn Kerry getting humiliated for their utterly disastrous foreign policy?

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-23/john-kerry-shocked-and-humiliated-first-day-middle-east-tour

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  66. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Do you think Colin Craig would sign up to those principles, Reddy?

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  67. ross411 (422 comments) says:

    Judith (6,771 comments) says:
    June 24th, 2014 at 9:39 am
    Then what you ALL know isn’t correct. So i would give up crystal ball gazing if I was you.

    I will not vote for Cunliffe, and I don’t know whether I’d vote NZ Ist or not.

    Anyone who votes for Winston Peters supports his theft of taxpayer money and his corrupt peddling of his partner’s products in parliament.

    This is one of the most blatantly self-serving politicians we’ve ever had. A fool and his vote are soon parted, is what I imagine Winston says over his cigar and cognac everytime he wins a seat or lucks into some money he can’t be forced to return.

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  68. Redbaiter (8,249 comments) says:

    “Do you think…. Reddy?????????????????????”

    Why don’t you just FO with your constant stream of dumb questions troll.

    You’ve got a point to make then make it.

    I tell you why you won’t do that.

    I guarantee that I can expose every dopey socialist concept you adhere to as worthless in five lines at most.

    So you witter away like a hopeless spineless little troll everyday because you’re too damn cowardly to advance an argument and say what you think here.

    If your intellect is too dim to participate in discussion then FO to the Standard or the Daily blog, where all your like brain dead incoherent totalitarian socialist mates are.

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  69. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Oh, I can say what I think all right. Colin Craig’s principles are a strange mish-mash of left wing conservatism (much like NZ First), mixed up with a bit of Maori bashing and some god nuttery.

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  70. Redbaiter (8,249 comments) says:

    So whats the news? You’re a sponge brained leftist with no ability to think for yourself so naturally you’re going to believe and endlessly reiterate the party line as pushed by the two progressive parties National and Labour. The issue here is apart from just spitting out paragraphs of boilerplate left wing venom, do you have a point of discussion or interest?

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  71. doggone7 (769 comments) says:

    Redbaiter: “So whats the news?”

    The news is that one of the charter schools has lost 30% of its pupils and it isn’t news. You’d think it would be news in the Charter School Chief Advocacy Services sites eh?

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  72. goldnkiwi (1,250 comments) says:

    What is with the Helen Clarke? Is that how Helen Clark signed the painting or something?

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  73. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    ‘do you have a point of discussion or interest?’
    Of course. Unlike you, I always have something to say and don’t just confine myself to repetitive insults.
    I’m expecting Colin Craig to attract some support from the fringe, but not enough to threaten the threshold or win an electorate. People considering voting for the conservatives should really consider NZ First instead, they have very similar policies and are much more likely to be actually in Parliament after the election.

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  74. Colville (2,239 comments) says:

    Redbaiter wrote something I can almost agree with. I suppose it had to happen eventually. 10,000 monkeys and 10,000 years and all that…

    Its your job to bring the middle to the National Party, just as its Labour’s job to bring the middle to the left.

    The only way to move the middle of NZ is to enact policy that moves the center voters and there are lots of them and they aint that bright or all that wealthy.

    The center will only move if they feel safe, healthy, reasonably well off and the kids are getting taught at school. The only way to ensure those things happen is to be in power. It is impossible to achieve anything from opposition.

    A one term knee jerk radical govt that Redbaiter wants would achieve none of these things.

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  75. Redbaiter (8,249 comments) says:

    “I’m expecting Colin Craig to attract some support from the fringe, but not enough to threaten the threshold or win an electorate.”

    Well, many people think that and they could be right or wrong. Once again, its not a sentiment that will sustain interest under constant exposure. Are you just going to say that ten times every day? Yawn.

    “People considering voting for the conservatives should really consider NZ First instead, they have very similar policies and are much more likely to be actually in Parliament after the election.”

    You’re not getting the issue. NZF have been there for decades and are part of the system that has gradually lead us into totaliarian socialism. Yes, if you want to tell the current bunch of pollies that you’re happy with the socialist status quo then of course, vote for one of the regular parties.

    However if you want to give the traditional parties and politicians a kick in the arse, you vote Conservative.

    60,000 votes last election. That’s more than parties who have seats in parliament. They’ll get more this time.

    Again- Saying CP party supporters should rather vote NZF is just missing the whole point.

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  76. flipper (3,925 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (7,192 comments) says:

    June 24th, 2014 at 10:53 am

    Flipper- “Control the middle, and you will win the game.”

    Can’t you get the message Flip??

    Its your job to bring the middle to the National Party
    ************8

    Red old cock.. U are away with the fairies. U say the constitution says, or should say: “… “To promote good citizenship and self-reliance; to combat communism and socialism; to maintain freedom of contract; to encourage private enterprise; to safeguard individual rights and the privilege of ownership; to oppose interference by the State in business, and State control of industry”.

    The actual NP vision and values defined in the constitution are on P3 of the printed version.

    And they seem to be well couched, promoted, implemented, and accepted, thus they very much reflect the middle, which is where the middle has been since 2007 (yes 7), and is demonstrably still there.

    You are nuts Red. Say, is Wisconsin Joe by any chance hiding under your bed? :-)

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  77. Redbaiter (8,249 comments) says:

    “You are nuts Red.”

    Standard communist response to any criticism or any effective critic is to classify them as insane.

    Stalin started it. His political descendants emulate him still today.

    Almost every post here from the far left pushes the story that Craig is nutty. Those who don’t accept socialist claims about AGW are nutty. As I am one of the National Party’s strongest critics, I too must be nutty. Same old same old every issue.

    Look at the criticism of Craig on the Standard. Exactly what you find on Kiwiblog or Whaleoil.

    You’re a coward Flip, like most of the National Party. You can’t stand for anything because you don’t believe in anything. Where you should have conviction, you have a big yellow streak running down your back.

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  78. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    ‘However if you want to give the traditional parties and politicians a kick in the arse, you vote Conservative’
    Except that they are not offering anything different. It’s a grab bag of a few policies flung together in a vanity party. Makes no ideological sense.

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  79. Redbaiter (8,249 comments) says:

    “Members and front organizations must continually embarrass, discredit and degrade our critics. When obstructionists become too irritating, label them as fascist, or Nazi or insane…. The association will, after enough repetition, become “fact” in the public mind.”

    Communist Party, Moscow Central Committee 1943

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  80. Griff (7,219 comments) says:

    Act is far closer to reds alleged freedom and small government politics.
    Colon Crag has god involved and wants control over peoples sex lives drug taking and to make lots of money available for stupid wasteful work for the dole schemes.
    Against asset sales so wants the government involved in commerce.
    Knee jerk voting for a wingnut is all good. Get the idiots out of national and into the fringe were they belong.
    :lol:
    just the party for red ….EH….

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  81. Pete George (23,421 comments) says:

    However if you want to give the traditional parties and politicians a kick in the arse, you vote Conservative.

    I have no idea how that might happen.

    Labour keep kicking their own arse, they don’t need anyone else’s help.

    If Conservatives somehow win 5% (very unlikely) or if National want to shoot themselves in the foot and try and help get Craig elected in East Coast Bays, and if Conservatives end up having enough seats to try and hold National to ransom, then it’s still far from certain they would achieve anything.

    Craig seems to have no inclination to mix it and try to do any political deals. He is inconsistent and vague, without any clear plans. He is competing with Cunliffe for the sorriest self arse kicker title.

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  82. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Whereas Reddy’s tired talking points show no signs of becoming ‘fact’ in anyone’s mind.

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  83. Redbaiter (8,249 comments) says:

    “It’s a grab bag of a few policies flung together in a vanity party. Makes no ideological sense.”

    How many times do I have to say this?

    it does not matter. The sclerotic orthodoxy of the one party National Labour state must be destroyed otherwise the slide to the left will continue.

    You’ve seen Flipper’s comments here. Other Nat supporters comments. You see they won’t fight the left. Many others see their lack of fight. Their groveling to what they call the middle, really an illusion manufactured by the left and their media propagandists.

    Other people not similarly afflicted by this cowardice see the need to break out of this condition and they see the newcomer Craig as the most effective way (and possibly the only way) of telling the Nats they’ve had enough of their capitulation and the current progressive political condition of NZ.

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  84. Andrei (2,536 comments) says:

    Well quelle surprise

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  85. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    But Colin Craig has much in common with the ‘left wing’ parties you despise. Shouldn’t you be getting behind a party that actually espouses policies you agree with?

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  86. Redbaiter (8,249 comments) says:

    Even if that was true, THE POLICIES DON’T MATTER

    FFS, am I talking to a pull string doll?

    Craig as a newcomer provides a good opportunity to send a message to the racist progressive status quo, and that opportunity does not exist anywhere else.

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  87. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    But many of his policies are ‘progressive’, so you would be just voting for the same old, same old. You really don’t get it. You want a revolution, but Colin Craig ain’t no revolutionary. Why not collect a few like-minded individuals, maybe get your own website and recruit a pure new movement?

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  88. Pete George (23,421 comments) says:

    The leader of the revolution: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bq2gnekCEAAy70a.jpg

    “He lays me down in green pastures. He leadeth me beside the still waters of the East Coast Bays.”

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  89. kowtow (8,124 comments) says:

    “Quelle surprise.”

    The Human Wights Crapissioner had something to whine about the incident.

    “The incident even prompted a statement from the Human Rights Commissioner.”

    But the Herald doesn’t report what the statement was. I suppose it’s a question of move along nothing to see here.Can’t embarrass the HRC as cultural marxism must be protected at all costs……..

    yep marxistmilky bingo, bzzt, whatever.

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  90. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    @UT: I have told you over and over that the Quran is a piece of trash not worthy of attention.

    Why would I care what you think, Manolo? You have nasty habit of slandering Islam.

    Who in his sane mind could believe the rantings/scribblings of a paedophile, who called himself a prophet?

    What evidence for paedophilia? The marriage at 6 and consumation at 9 hadith is contradicted by the historical data: Aisha was born when Mohammed was 40, and the marriage was consummated after the Hijrah, which means that she would have been 15 or older.

    http://hameem.org/index.php/multimedia/articles/89-articles/149-proof-that-aisha-was-over-15-years-old-when-she-married-the-prophet-peace-be-upon-him

    Although the widely-cited hadith states that Aisha was nine years old when her marriage to the Prophet (upon him be peace) was consummated, this is contradicted by strong historical evidence. Tabari, the famous historian and hadith expert, states that Aisha was born at least fifteen years before the marriage was consummated, and both early prophetic biographers, Ibn Ishaq and Ibn Hisham, mention that Aisha was amongst the earliest converts to Islam, once again making her much older than the ‘six-nine’ reports indicate, and corroborating Tabari’s opinion. Also, reports of Aisha’s age in works by such authorities as Nawawi, `Asqallani and Ibn Kathir all place her in her late teens at the time the marriage was consummated. Moreover, historical reports in books such as Saheeh al-Bukari contain descriptions of Aisha in which she appears much older than the ‘six-nine’ narrations would suggest. Pre-modern people were typically not aware of age or birth dates as we are in modern bureaucratised society, and conceptualisation of numbers was also very different in the past. Pre-modern people would often approximate their age when asked, and numbers were often expressed as descriptors rather than intended to be chronologically precise.

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  91. Redbaiter (8,249 comments) says:

    You’re hopeless Milky, like most of the left, Flipper et al, you just can’t hear what is being said. You don’t have the imagination or the thinking ability to appreciate the simple fact for those unhappy with the socialist / progressive status quo there is no better strategic opportunity existing or in the offing to register this dissatisfaction other than by supporting the CP.

    If that wasn’t so, Craig would not be the target of such widespread vituperation from both National and Labour.

    But you’re hopeless Milky. Like many here your mind was crippled by LW propaganda at a young age and after all this time thinking as a leftist you’ve completely lost the ability to think outside that paradigm. That’s a fact that sticks out like dog’s balls in everything you say.

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  92. thedavincimode (6,606 comments) says:

    Does this enthusiastic outpouring of spite and vitriol from El Guava signal the start of the big push to elevate Colly Walley from less than the margin for error to 51 %+, or is it just a response to having SHawnLH hand him his arse over what constitutes a Conservative?

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  93. kowtow (8,124 comments) says:

    In case you want a larf here it is.

    http://www.hrc.co.nz/2014/06/23/human-rights-commission-condemns-attack-on-transgender-woman/

    I’m not expecting the HRC to put out another propaganda blurb saying the general community ( normal people) have a right not to have scarce resources wasted by weirdos with psychological problems making false claims of victimisation after gravity brings them back to Earth.

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  94. Redbaiter (8,249 comments) says:

    Oh at last.

    Here is the obsessive stalking coward (how many years is it now freak?) who vainly imagines himself to have the ability to be funny. A proposition that is thrust to the fore of every comment he makes here, which is really just saying- “look how funny and witty I am”.

    But you aren’t.

    You’re another Progressive with the same narrow perspective and closed brain as all of the rest, and not the least bit funny. Just a try hard.

    As for appointing yourself as umpire in any argument I may have here, fuck off, what delusional self importance allows you to think that is possible?

    You’re a far left prog who has stalked and hated Redbaiter for years. Who the fuck are you to pretend to be an objective arbitrator? Only a loser could be that delusional.

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  95. kowtow (8,124 comments) says:

    “Colley Walley”

    How much did Crosby Textor charge for that pearler?

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  96. thedavincimode (6,606 comments) says:

    … yawn

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  97. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    UT, another apologist for paedophilia under the guise of historical confusion. Nothing but UTterly repulsive.

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  98. Redbaiter (8,249 comments) says:

    Yeah yawn to you too you sick obsessive coward.

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  99. thedavincimode (6,606 comments) says:

    … is there an echo in here? zzzz ….

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  100. dirty harry (446 comments) says:

    more fine reading from those that know

    http://1law4all.kiwi.nz/2014/06/24/the-gantt-guys-letter-to-john-key/

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  101. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Fine reading, indeed. Thank you for the link.

    How much longer must people (partly) of Maori heritage labour under the crushing burden of low expectation? How much longer do we treat them as somehow less fully-formed, less human than other citizens, paternalistically excusing their statistically lower education and health outcomes, and higher rates of crime and imprisonment on the basis of their cultural heritage; the very definition of the term “racism”?

    How much longer must New Zealanders of all cultural backgrounds apologise and pay for injustices real and (increasingly often) imagined which occurred most recently – when they occurred at all – more than a century ago?

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  102. kowtow (8,124 comments) says:

    Be not as the horse or as the mule which has no understanding……..

    http://static.squarespace.com/static/53028614e4b01cb1fb311fec/t/531c4fa4e4b030d9a206e25d/1394364346914/07145dc86fdb7fe35ecdad31b25c1d3d.jpeg

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  103. thedavincimode (6,606 comments) says:

    Members and front organizations must continually embarrass, discredit and degrade our critics. When obstructionists become too irritating, label them as fascist progs, or Nazi homos or insane knuckle-draggers…. The association will, after enough repetition, become “fact” render you an ignorant vitriolic bag of hot air in the public mind and completely undermine and obscure whatever message you are trying to communicate.”

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  104. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    UT, another apologist for paedophilia under the guise of historical confusion. Nothing but UTterly repulsive.

    So in your world having sex with a fifteen-year old makes a man a paedophile?

    Make we should talk about the hypocrisy of a Christian making such statements in the context of the Catholic paedophile netowrks that exist today…

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  105. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    DVM
    I don’t know why he doesn’t just make a case for the policies he believes in, start his own blog or find some other way of generating political momentum. I mean, he obviously cares about this stuff, but the way he goes about it all is so transparently self-defeating.

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  106. Redbaiter (8,249 comments) says:

    “DVM I don’t know why”

    There you go TDVM, you sick obsessive little blubbering prog coward, your left wing buddies are reaching out to you again.

    A microcosm of the Nat / Labour one party progressive state exists right here on Kiwiblog.

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  107. Griff (7,219 comments) says:

    He has a blog and retired from KB to pursue a future on twitface
    His return to the progg hippie scumsuker festering sewer that is KB signals the total failure to actually get any traction in these endeavors
    Failure is redtards constant companion
    Hence the bile and disgusted rhetoric projected outwards rather than acknowledgement of his utterly useless and pointless existence

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  108. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Oh, he has a blog? What’s it like?

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  109. thedavincimode (6,606 comments) says:

    milky

    He started his own bog. But nobody went to play with him. In frustration he took to tweeting. But nobody would play with him. He’s the guy alone in the corner at the school ball, or at the sports club, whom everyone goes out of the way to avoid. He is so emotionally crippled and lacking in self-awareness that he lets his frustrations and inadequacies overwhelm him so that can’t see beyond the vitriol and abuse.

    Being lectured on what it means to be a Conservative by ShawnLH can’t have helped, but I think that ShawnLH’s comments underline another shortcoming in that he seems to struggle with conceptual principles and confuse prescriptive elements of conceptual principles as being principles in their own right.

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  110. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Yes, he’s a bit mixed up – lacks a coherent ideology. Maybe that will change as he matures.

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  111. Ed Snack (1,831 comments) says:

    Very poor signal to noise ratio today….

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  112. Griff (7,219 comments) says:

    Go forth and explore mike by clicking on his name
    Just be warned it has a sycophantic cohort of circle jerking fans so actually read the comments rather than trying to ascertain its popularity by the number of comments.
    last time I girdled my sanity and ventured forth the entire content was assorted conservonutter wing nuts congratulating each other on being so politically perceptive with each one in tern complemented by El Guava himself.
    If you run you will be anally raped was the motto but since sustaining endless laughter that has been removed.

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  113. thedavincimode (6,606 comments) says:

    He is maturing milky. Unfortunately though, like a poorly made red that never had the cork put in the bottle.

    Russell’s problems are very deep seated and I don’t see any glimmer of hope that he has the requisite self-awareness attempt to deal with his issues. He bandies the word “pathological” around quite frequently, but doesn’t seem to realise that it is a word that is more appropriately used closer to home than he would ever wish or could ever contemplate.

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  114. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Maybe he should be more blatant with his link-whoring, like Keeping Stock or Pete George. Get the message out there more.

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  115. thedavincimode (6,606 comments) says:

    I think he realised that the link-whoring wasn’t working for him. Although it would never have occurred to him, my impression is that his link-whoring was widely regarded as an invitation to step bare-foot into a dog turd.

    In any event, he cripples himself with his “message”. As Ed Snack so neatly inferred, the signal to noise ratio is excessive, but not just today: always.

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  116. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Obama’s, the most transparent administration: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2666413/House-Republicans-subpoena-White-House-lawyer-missing-emails-case-IRS-commissioner-prepares-prime-time-grilling.html

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  117. stephieboy (2,628 comments) says:

    For Ed Snack, Manalo and other Birther and Tea Party Moonbats,

    “It’s important that we, the few, the proud, the reality-based, attack this stuff before it has a chance to fester and spread. This is not a case of Democrats versus Republicans. It’s sentient beings versus the lizard people.” –Bill Maher, on birtherism

    “I will show you President Obama’s birth certificate when you show me Sarah Palin’s high school diploma”. – Bill Maher

    r . “Donald Trump said if President Obama releases his birth certificate, he will release his tax returns. The President said, ‘Well, I promise not to run for a second term if you release that thing on your head.'” –Conan O’Brien

    “President Obama released his long-form birth certificate, proving once
    and for all he was born in this country. But you know, it never ends. Now Republican leaders are saying they want to see the placenta.” –Jay Leno

    “A new poll shows that one of the major parties in this country – I won’t tell you which one – is a majority birther party. That’s right, more than half of Republicans now think Obama was born in Kenya. They literally do not know where babies come from.” –Bill Maher

    “The state of Hawaii passed a new law allowing the state government to ignore requests for President Obama’s birth certificate from the ‘Birthers.’ From now on, every future president should be required to be born on camera and in front of a national landmark.” –Jimmy Kimmel

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  118. stigie (1,054 comments) says:

    Reddy is frustrated by your excellent writing and good humour TDM.

    All he brings is insults and humourless writings to produce a one term government !~

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  119. Andrei (2,536 comments) says:

    The scandal is hitting the government of Donald Tusk at a time when Poland has been playing its strongest diplomatic hand in centuries. Warsaw has been a leading advocate of a tough EU response to Russia’s behaviour in Ukraine.

    Its not Russia behaving badly in Ukraine it is the American puppet Government, led by a Romanian Jew, the Americans installed as prime minister who are commiting genocide in the Donbas.

    If Poland want Galacia back they are welcome to it as far as I’m concerned let Poland have all those hillbilly lunatics and good luck to them.

    Might be the best solution as far as humanity is concerned

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  120. stephieboy (2,628 comments) says:

    Redbaiter , wherever you are out there especially for you to add to your ever expanding political repertoire and enlightenment ,

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  121. Jack5 (5,005 comments) says:

    A PC campaign in favour of victimhood is nipped in the bud.

    The transgender person who was allegedly found beaten up outside a hotel, apparently was injured falling out of a tree!

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10192685/Transgender-fell-from-tree-not-beaten

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  122. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    ‘led by a Romanian Jew’
    We know what you really want to say, Andrei…

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  123. thedavincimode (6,606 comments) says:

    Might be the best solution as far as humanity is concerned

    Perfect timing for stephieboy at 1.41 don’t you think Andrei?

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  124. RightNow (6,962 comments) says:

    The transgender that fell out of a tree. It’s right up there with the man who mistook his wife for a hat.
    I can understand the parents initially thinking it was an assault, since it happened in Palmerston North. The HRC must have been hopping with glee to have something to be upset about. I’m delighted they went out guns blazing, what a bunch of twats they’ve made of themselves.
    Labour want to chuck money at a loss making rail line between Wellington and P Nth, I suspect as a sop to transgenders, or perhaps they just heard there’s transgenders in the village and want to go on a train ride to join with them in solidarity. The trees should be shaking at the news.
    The Greens must be torn between upholding the human rights of transgenders to fall out of trees, and the rights of trees to exist unmolested. I wonder which trumps which, surely the trees.
    All in all a most delightful diversion. My kid fell out of a tree a couple of months ago, I think I’ll write the human rights commissioner and let him know. I assume he’ll be collecting evidence to prosecute the trees in due course.

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  125. stephieboy (2,628 comments) says:

    thedavincimode

    ” In any event, he cripples himself with his “message”. As Ed Snack so neatly inferred, the signal to noise ratio is excessive, but not just today: always.

    “the signal to noise ratio is excessive,”

    You mean just plain reality is excessive .Surely.?

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  126. RRM (9,764 comments) says:

    mikenmild (10,201 comments) says:
    June 24th, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    Maybe he should be more blatant with his link-whoring, like Keeping Stock or Pete George. Get the message out there more.

    :roll: Now, credit where credit is due, getting the message out there is one thing he DOES do.

    Under a previous username (also ‘Redbaiter’) he had 13,197 comments to his name. The main buzzword was “socialist” in those days.

    Then he had a tantrum, in which he cussed out (cussed, not cursed, because it’s American to say “cussed”, and real conservatives are American!) Kiwiblog for being a “prog sewer” and denounced DPF in some of the vilest terms you could imagine. And swore he would never be back here, which in due course turned out to be a LIE, as we shall see later…

    So he went and founded truebluenz, which has about 14 regular commentors, and laughable little pictures down the sidebar saying things like “I stand with Israel” (of course you do reddy, of course you do) and “If you run you’ll die tired.” By now the buzzword was “progressive,” and one of the best actual articles was one consisting of just the photos of Helen Clark, John Key and Cameron Slater with the giant word PROGRESSIVE across the top of them.

    (For a while he was telling people at every opportunity that he was “one of the most popular commentors on WhaleOil, frequently getting more than 44 likes”… so I don’t know what Slater said or did to incur the the wrath of Baiter.)

    But Truebluenz sucked balls, so new he’s back in the prog sewer here. He told all manner of lies about not having enough time to update truebluenz, surprising as his new Kiwiblog username ‘Redbaiter’ already has 7201 comments to its name. Having multiple fake identities is meant to be a hanging offence on Kiwiblog, so presumably DPF will be along sooner or later to put him out of his misery, or at least put him out of ours…

    Baiter is a tale. Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

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  127. Jack5 (5,005 comments) says:

    Re Andrei at 1.38:

    If the Poles want Galicia back, then they ought to give back to Germany: West Prussian, Pomerania, East Brandenburg, and Lower Silesia.

    The deal made by the Allied leaders was that Poland would get these in return for parts of eastern Poland being ceded to the parts of the Soviet Union which are now Belarus and the Ukraine, and to Lithuania.

    It’s a pity that it’s unlikely Russia will give Germany back East Prussia, though probably only a handful of East Prussians who hadn’t fled survived the Red Army takeover. I say a pity because of sentimental historical reasons. East Prussia was the homeland of Von Tempksy, the Prussian who led and taught European settlers so much about guerilla fighting in the NZ land wars. East Prussia was also the lifelong home of one of the greatest philosophers, Kant, son of a Scots saddler who emigrated to Konigsberg.

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  128. Andrei (2,536 comments) says:

    I was being tongue in cheek Jack5 – as for Kalingrad the people who live their chose to stay with Russia and the best solution for all of this is to let the people who live there choose where their future lies.

    Of course the people who live in Galicia hate the Poles more than they hate Russians which is why the borders were drawn the way they were in 1945 – it seemed like the best solution at the time.

    Of course the USA has been stirring trouble there ever since, this is just the latest iteration

    This is a replay of stuff that has been going on since the 15th century Poles, Austro Hungarian Empire, Nazi Germany and now the USA have all played this game in Galicia which is why the people there are so messed up and confused.

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  129. Griff (7,219 comments) says:

    We just trebled trullypoohnz readership for the day year

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  130. RightNow (6,962 comments) says:

    I’m amazed how many people Redbaiter seems to have sucked into his Fight Club.
    Remember the first rule of fight club…

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  131. Tauhei Notts (1,676 comments) says:

    I just heard that there is a severe winter rain storm approaching the South Island from the Tasman Sea.
    Apparently Hokitika, like Redbaiter’s goat, will get four inches tonight.

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  132. Gulag1917 (851 comments) says:

    stephieboy has never heard of Godwins law

    Godwin’s law (or Godwin’s Rule of Nazi Analogies is an Internet adage asserting that “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches —​ that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

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  133. Redbaiter (8,249 comments) says:

    “I’m amazed how many people Redbaiter seems to have sucked into his Fight Club.”

    Ha, all the one party staters, a mixture of idiots and cowards who have nothing but unimaginative and by rote attempts at ridicule. The poor progressive pissants have no argument that rebuts the truth I write here so attempted ridicule is all they can come up with.

    Take TDVM. This clown and coward has written the same stuff here time and time again. Year after year. Comment after comment. Paragraph after paragraph. Word after word after word. All the same. Thousands of comments and almost everyone obsessing over Redbaiter.

    Just look above. I dunno, maybe half a dozen comments today, not one with any substance, all just witless cowardly attempts at ridicule. Each one reeking of self importance and narcissisim.

    The point to all this is retaining control of the National Party. Leftists like TDVM and JK have taken it over and they’re hanging on for grim death. The best thing you can do to upset these gutless little left wing wimps, who should really be in the Labour party, is vote Conservative, because not only does it send a message to the rest of the electorate, if by some chance the CP gets in, it takes enormous power away from the Nat party cowards who have been compromising with the left for decades.

    You want to get rid of the arse lickers who suck up to the Maori party, and are not even above forming a coalition with the Greens, then vote vote CP.

    If the CP gets a few seats in the house you’ll see TDVM here swinging his handbag so frantically he’ll elevate himself into the stratosphere. With a bit of luck he’ll take his useless commie mate Key with him.

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  134. Gulag1917 (851 comments) says:

    Maps of global polarisation
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2013/10/10/maps-of-global-polarization/

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  135. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Ho ho. I give the Conservative Party no chance of ever making it to Parliament, much less implementing one iota of their farrago of failed leftist and xenophobic polices.

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  136. Redbaiter (8,249 comments) says:

    “Ho ho. I give the Conservative Party no chance of ever making it to Parliament,”

    Maybe, maybe not Milky, but at least Colin Craig has the guts to reach for it. Unlike you and your one party state friends, mainly a bunch of under rock dwelling parasitical cowards and liars who have nothing but ridicule for his bravery and commitment.

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  137. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Where did I ridicule him? I do feel a bit sorry for him actually, having to rely on you for his number one fan.

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  138. Gulag1917 (851 comments) says:

    We might be in for surprises this election.

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  139. Redbaiter (8,249 comments) says:

    The thing you and other readers need to note Milky is how small amounts of truth force the collectivists of National and Labour to join forces.

    The one party staters, the left wing progressives who own the Labour Party and the National party and who endlessly quibble over detail while the country slides ever further left, and project utter hate towards anyone who exposes this truth.

    Suddenly TDVM and the other progs are on your and Stupifiedboy’s team. Notice that? All good little collectivists together.

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  140. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Well, I’ve never been under any illusion about the National/Labour consensus that has steered the country since 1935. Good luck rocking that boat from the fringes.

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  141. Scott Chris (6,016 comments) says:

    I give the Conservative Party no chance of ever making it to Parliament

    The fact that National haven’t ruled a deal out makes it seem likely that if the poll numbers are close come election time then McCully will quietly step aside. Still might back-fire with a big no vote rebellion but I expect enough National voters will be willing to hold their collective noses and vote pragmatically.

    In which case Colin Craig will have become John Key’s bitch.

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  142. Gulag1917 (851 comments) says:

    Politics in NZ

    Tweedledum and Tweedledee
    Agreed to have a battle;
    For Tweedledum said Tweedledee
    Had spoiled his nice new rattle.

    Just then flew down a monstrous crow,
    As black as a tar-barrel;
    Which frightened both the heroes so,
    They quite forgot their quarrel.

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  143. thedavincimode (6,606 comments) says:

    It’s a bit like the incontinent relative, a bit removed, sitting in the corner snoring, burping, farting and occasionally waking up when he’s soiled himself. There’s no point in remonstrating, or trying to reason with him. Just put a plastic sheet under him and open the window when necessary. If it gets too bad, you can always leave the room.

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  144. stigie (1,054 comments) says:

    “In which case Colin Craig will have become John Key’s bitch.”

    Shit no, dont think Reddy will allow it !~

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  145. Scott Chris (6,016 comments) says:

    I do feel a bit sorry for him actually, having to rely on you for his number one fan.

    Quite. And with the likes of Dirty Harriet, igm, kowtow, imp, D4j and dime also throwing their lot in with the Cons gives you an idea of the calibre of person Craig appeals to.

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  146. edhunter (535 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10193042/Home-detention-for-accidentally-killing-hunter
    7 months home detention & $10,000 to the family hardly seems a fitting sentence for shooting someone dead. A lets make no mistake he was shooting to kill.
    I’m not anti hunting, but would be interested to hear what any hunters here have to say on the matter, and how is this different from the shooting of Rosemary Ives whose killer received a jail sentence albeit a short one.

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  147. Ross12 (1,369 comments) says:

    I see Brenda Pilott ( PSA boss) is resigning as of Friday. Is this a very sudden move or has it been muted for sometime ? I had thought she might appear on the Labour Party list.

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  148. Scott Chris (6,016 comments) says:

    I suspect the one policy concession Colin Craig may get in any coalition with National would be an innocuous piece of legislation concerning leaky buildings, which is what Craig claims got him into the political game in the first place.

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  149. Komata (1,157 comments) says:

    Scott C

    Re: ‘Dirty Harriet, igm, kowtow, imp, D4j and dime also throwing their lot in with the Cons gives you an idea of the calibre of person Craig appeals to’.

    A very interesting observation. Therefore, can you tell us what calibre of person (in your opinion) the other parties / leaders appeal to? (Serious question BTW).

    Thanks.

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  150. Scott Chris (6,016 comments) says:

    7 months home detention & $10,000 to the family hardly seems a fitting sentence for shooting someone dead.

    Seems fair to me. If you’re a deer hunter you run the risk that you may be mis-identified and shot, just as if you streak during an All Black test match you run the risk of getting smashed.

    Your choice.

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  151. Scott Chris (6,016 comments) says:

    Therefore, can you tell us what calibre of person (in your opinion) the other parties / leaders appeal to?

    Not really but one would assume that the more centrist parties would appeal to more moderate people, whereas the more, shall we say, extreme leaders will appeal to those with unusual ideals.

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  152. edhunter (535 comments) says:

    You’re a vegetarian then Scott?

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  153. dad4justice (8,023 comments) says:

    “Quite. And with the likes of Dirty Harriet, igm, kowtow, imp, D4j and dime also throwing their lot in with the Cons gives you an idea of the calibre of person Craig appeals to.”

    Hey Scott Piss what are you getting at? Who are you to judge anybody that posts on here. Go get treatment you silly liberal sod.

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  154. Redbaiter (8,249 comments) says:

    “It’s a bit like the incontinent relative, a bit removed, sitting in the corner snoring, burping, farting and occasionally waking up when he’s soiled himself. There’s no point in remonstrating, or trying to reason with him. Just put a plastic sheet under him and open the window when necessary. If it gets too bad, you can always leave the room.”

    Just the same old insipid empty of content poison this venomous obsessive cretin has been writing on here for years. Thousands of words purveying the same empty theme. While other cretins like Stigie, applaud vigorously because they’re so thick they can’t read the vapid drooling narcissism that anyone with a brain can.

    TDVM is exactly the kind of ignorant cowardly stand for nothing prog that has brought the National Party to the place Labour was 6 years ago, except even further left with concessions to the racist party and the extreme left like Louisa Wall.

    These people are empty unprincipled cowards who stand for nothing except further compromise. Go on supporting TDVM and like cretinous vile people if you prefer this country to slide even further left. My view is such obviously deranged examples of humanity should be as far from govt as they can possibly be. And should definitely not be within a light year of the leadership of the National Party.

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  155. Griff (7,219 comments) says:

    Totally SC CCCP the party of the terminally confused and exceedingly thick.

    Come to think of it why doesn’t Red join? He should be a shoe in for a place high on the list with his support on here seeing he is the leader of the conservatives conservonutters on KB.

    Should go down a treat with the gouger Rankin and the youth pastor who is at no 3 .

    Shit if it gets redblather into Parliament I might even vote for CCCP.

    We need a new parliamentary clown with whinny drinking himself out of the picture.

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  156. nasska (11,082 comments) says:

    Think what the rights to parliamentary broadcasting would be worth. :)

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  157. lilman (948 comments) says:

    Just heard some twat say snow will be gone in 40.50 years because of climate change on the tv news.
    Seriously what an arse.
    We were all going to be under water by 2020,sorry bullshit is bullshit.

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  158. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Is he even old enough to vote though? Seems to me he lacks maturity.

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  159. Scott Chris (6,016 comments) says:

    Hey Scott Piss what are you getting at?

    What do you think I’m getting at dimwit. Craig appeals to miserable weirdos like you.

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  160. dad4justice (8,023 comments) says:

    Nice one Scott a true keyboard coward.

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  161. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    It’s always nice to hurl insults from your keyboard, isn’t it D4J?

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  162. dad4justice (8,023 comments) says:

    I have always wondered how many keyboard cowards would insult me face to face? Yeah right pigs can fly. The fearful and timid thrive on anonymity.

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  163. nasska (11,082 comments) says:

    I downloaded this photo off the Stuff website a couple of days ago. Ref; https://www.dropbox.com/s/ae1rs02a93f68nf/CCCP%20Ex%20Stuff%2023.6.jpg

    I’m not certain that he isn’t missing some parts.

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  164. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    The hysterical media has been gushing and wailing for a few days now about the “Beautiful Transgender Girl” who was the ‘Victim of a Vicious Hate Crime’ etc etc
    The ‘Rainbow Community’ were also up in arms..’How could this happen??’ ‘Evil Bigots’ etc etc
    Now that it turns out the ‘Victim’ fell out of a tree are we going to get an embarrassed apology for all the hype and hysteria?? We bloody well should..

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  165. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    You’re quite a scary guy, D4J.

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  166. Nookin (3,254 comments) says:

    I see that nice man David Cunliffe has done an about turn over drilling in the dolphin reserve. It seems that he jumped onto the Greens’ bus in opposition only to find he should have boarded the Labour bus heading in the opposite direction. He has put it down to the short period of time within which to make a decision.

    Mr Cunliffe’s trainer — Matt the Man –says that he will shortly request that all questions be submitted in writing — once he has worked out Mr Cunliffe’s retention span.

    In the meantime they have come up with a short-term fix:

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  167. thedavincimode (6,606 comments) says:

    Scott Piss

    Are you a six year old?

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  168. nasska (11,082 comments) says:

    How could anyone beat this gem from Emmerson?

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/bu84abxtlzvj4sb/CCCP%206.png

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  169. Redbaiter (8,249 comments) says:

    “Are you a six year old?”

    That’s rich coming from an effeminate limp wristed stoat who has demonstrated a sick obsession with scatological issues for years.

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  170. thedavincimode (6,606 comments) says:

    He’s pinching your material Walter.

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  171. Redbaiter (8,249 comments) says:

    Poor Narsekissa, so detached from reality he thinks his drivel is worth a click.

    Whatever is at the link, readers with some intelligence know its going to be another example of smug unfunny childish rubbish.

    FFS, give it a rest loser, my curiosity level regarding anything you post is less than zero.

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  172. Andrei (2,536 comments) says:

    Meanwhile in the Godless Evil empire

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  173. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    I thought it was quite funny, actually. Well done Emmerson.

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  174. Redbaiter (8,249 comments) says:

    Wow, no brain dead rest home scatological dross from Thedavaselinemode for two whole posts.

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  175. dad4justice (8,023 comments) says:

    You would mikeymouse as you and your lefty turds enjoy toilet humor. Your club of worthless twits are useless good for nothing deadbeats. It’s so funny I actually feel sorry for you lazy freaks.

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  176. thedavincimode (6,606 comments) says:

    he thinks his drivel is worth a click

    Coincidently, there was some discussion earlier today regarding your link-whoring Walter.

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  177. nasska (11,082 comments) says:

    Sober up again Baity? :)

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  178. Redbaiter (8,249 comments) says:

    “I thought it was quite funny, actually.”

    Which is probably a good indication to anyone with a brain that they don’t need to see it.

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  179. Redbaiter (8,249 comments) says:

    “Coincidently, there was some discussion earlier today regarding your link-whoring Walter.”

    There was also some regarding what a vapid narcissistic loser you are.

    Got a point fuckwit?

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  180. thedavincimode (6,606 comments) says:

    d4j

    Do you think you are a credible advocate for fatherhood and the rights of fathers in custody battles? I mean, how did you put this male role model construct together?

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  181. dad4justice (8,023 comments) says:

    Thedavaselinemode is the standard too smelly for you tonight? You are a gutless low life cowardly smear who is a disgrace to the human race. Go away you despicable creep!

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  182. thedavincimode (6,606 comments) says:

    Oh dear. Time to open the window.

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  183. Redbaiter (8,249 comments) says:

    “Do you think you are a credible advocate for fatherhood and the rights of fathers in custody battles?”

    Do you think you’re any kind of person to be asking anyone that question? With the sick demented crap you write so obsessively on here I wouldn’t want to risk having you anywhere near anyone’s family.

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  184. nasska (11,082 comments) says:

    How’s your blog Baity?

    Must be about time to bury it……even embalming has its limits. :)

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  185. Redbaiter (8,249 comments) says:

    “Oh dear.”

    Men who say “oh dear” all the time almost invariably turn out to be homosexuals.

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  186. dad4justice (8,023 comments) says:

    Thedavaselinemode I hope you are well away from all children? God help any kids that come in contact with such a queer freak.

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  187. Griff (7,219 comments) says:

    The point is you are The gift that keeps on giving.

    An endless joke redblather.

    One that’s always good for another round of laughter .

    :lol:

    your cohort of mindless minions,

    kowtow, d4j, imp, harry it, et al .

    Lurcher 1948 must be one of yours as well.

    Total IQ just makes the middle of the bell curve when added together.

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  188. nasska (11,082 comments) says:

    ….”kowtow, d4j, imp, harry it, et al .”……

    I had “Shawn” picked for one of the dinosaurs too Griff but he’s really shone in the last week. :)

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  189. dad4justice (8,023 comments) says:

    Whatever you gutless faggots.

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  190. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Now you’re just projecting, D4J.

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  191. cricko (289 comments) says:

    And on a lighter note.

    I forget her name offhand but the blonde on 7 Sharp, Tv1, reached her level of competence as a sports
    comentator during the last America Cup. (she was quite good at that)

    If I have to watch/listen to much more of her twittering, giggeling, sucking up to Mike Hoskins ego
    I might even be driven to switch to TV3 before I puke my dinner.

    Seriously but, do people actually go for that shit ?

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  192. nasska (11,082 comments) says:

    I was arguing with someone about Islam and Halal food and they said, “Throwing bacon at a Muslim is as offensive as throwing dog shit at them.”

    Anyway, long story short, I’m now saving a fortune on bacon.

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  193. Griff (7,219 comments) says:

    Maria is a devout Catholic. (No condoms for her!) She gets married and has 17 children…and then her husband dies. She remarries two weeks later…and has 22 children by her second husband. She dies. At her wake, the priest looks tenderly at Maria as she lies in her coffin, looks up to the heavens, and says, “At last…they’re finally together.” A man standing next to him asks, “Excuse me, Father, but do you mean her and her FIRST husband, or her and her SECOND husband?” “No,” the priest says politely, “I mean her LEGS.”

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  194. publicwatchdog (2,496 comments) says:

    What is Colin Craig’s PROVEN track on serving the public or the public interest, and where does he stand on a Capital Gains Tax?

    Penny Bright

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  195. publicwatchdog (2,496 comments) says:

    Here you go Kiwibloggers – some of you will LOVE this :)

    File under “You couldn’t make this sh*t up?”

    https://www.facebook.com/3news?fref=nf

    Prime Minister John Key says the jail terms handed to Al Jazeera journalists by an Egyptian court are completely unjust.

    “In my view there’s no way any of these journalists, from what I’ve seen, should be being locked up for what’s fundamentally doing their job,” he said.

    “The way that you define a decent society, in part, is through freedom of the press, and also the fact that you have an open, fair and transparent judicial system.”

    _________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Yep – the ‘poodle of Wall St’ – John Key talking about a ‘decent society’?

    Give me a break!

    Who has seen the ‘Wolf of Wall Street’?

    It’s based on a true story and shows how Wall Street follows NO laws, regulations, ethics or morals – unbridled capitalism at its most debauched.

    Seriously – you need to see it – it’s a documentary on unregulated, ‘free-market’ madness, and Wall Street is where OUR Prime Minister John Key did his ‘apprenticeship’ in self-serving greed and avarice …..

    http://www.beehive.govt.nz/minister/biography/john-key

    “John launched his investment banking career in New Zealand in the mid-1980s.

    After 10 years in the New Zealand market he headed offshore, working in Singapore, London, and Sydney for United States investment banking firm Merrill Lynch.

    During that time he was in charge of a number of business units, including global foreign exchange and European bond and derivative trading.

    In 1999, John was invited to join the Foreign Exchange Committee of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and on two occasions undertook management studies at Harvard University in Boston.”
    ________________________________________________________________________________________________

    So – if NZ Prime Minister John Key – lacKEY of Barrack Obomber – is suddenly so supportive of an ‘open, fair and transparent judicial system’ – then why doesn’t he advocate for THAT, at international level, instead of supporting extra-judicial ‘death by drone strikes’???

    (I do however, of course, oppose the jailing of the Al Jazeera journalists, and understand that even a stopped clock is right twice a day …. )

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

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  196. Johnboy (15,891 comments) says:

    That’s a bloody long bow you’re drawing there Penny. Are you becoming utterly deranged from dehydration? :)

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  197. Nookin (3,254 comments) says:

    Ask him Penny. Go to the party’s website and you will find the answer.

    Is a seat in parliament a reward for public service? I thought that a house of representatives was made up of all sorts of weird and wonderful combinations of life experience — including business skill, management and governance experience.

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  198. Griff (7,219 comments) says:

    An old couple were listining to a radio station sunday morning when this preacher came on and said that he could heal anyone so he said if you wanted to be healed put one hand on the radio and the other hand on the part that you want healed. So the old lady puts her left hand on the radio and puts her right hand over her heart and starts singing Well the old man has been drinking and says shit why not so he puts his left hand on the radio then puts his right hand down his pants His wife looks at him and says “Herman the man said that he could heal and not raise the dead.”

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  199. publicwatchdog (2,496 comments) says:

    John Key – ‘business skill’?

    Give me a break.

    Remind me how the collapse of the unregulated derivatives market that John Key helped to set up when he worked at Merrill Lynch, helped anyone but the Wall St ‘bank$ters’?

    Who’s interests is John Key serving?

    Follow the dollar……

    Please be reminded that John Key is STILL a shareholder in the Bank of America – which would be unlawful if he were the Prime Minister of Australia?

    REALLY looking forward to standing against John Key in Helensville – to help keep the political blowtorch on this most ‘spin-doctored’ of politicians ….

    The Public Watchdog vs the Wall St Poodle?

    For a ‘brighter’ (more transparent and less corrupt) future – vote Penny Bright for Helensville?

    Should be FUN! :)

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

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  200. publicwatchdog (2,496 comments) says:

    ‘Stand for something’?

    Try this for size :

    Here’s what I’m standing for – an ACTION PLAN for ‘open, transparent and accountable’ local and central government, plus judiciary.

    One A4 page of clear anti-corruption policies, and a proven track record of fighting for them:

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ANTI-CORRUPTION-WHITE-COLLAR-CRIME-CORPORATE-WELFARE-ACTION-PLAN-Ak-Mayoral-campaign-19-July-2013-2.pdf

    Hey Judith – you don’t live in Helensville perchance?

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

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  201. Nookin (3,254 comments) says:

    So Penny. You are going to ask people you despise to allow you to represent them and look after their interests in Parliament? Sounds perfectly natural to me. Or not. On second thoughts it sounds like a monumental ego trip and an insult to the electorate.

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  202. Don the Kiwi (1,678 comments) says:

    Penny is now the chief judge on who is a competent business operator.

    We’ve seen your credentials, Penny -screaming as the cops chucked you into the paddy wagon :-)

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  203. graham (2,323 comments) says:

    “For a ‘brighter’ (more transparent and less corrupt) future – vote Penny Bright for Helensville?”

    More transparent? Last year I asked Penny NUMEROUS times one very simple question – namely, would SHE, Penny Bright, sign up to her OWN ‘Code of Conduct” that she proposes, and in particular point number 4:

    4. Legislate for an enforceable ‘Code of Conduct’ for NZ Members of Parliament (who make the rules for everyone else).

    Because I was (and still am) exceedingly interested to know what this ‘Code of Conduct’ would look like. (Might it mention behaving at all times with dignity and decorum, for example? Or possibly, talk about PAYING YOUR RATES?)

    Penny Bright – she of the cry “transparency!” – has NEVER answered this one very simple question.

    I don’t live in Helensville, but I do live relatively close (far closer than Penny does) and know people who live and work there. I think the kindest thing I can say, regarding her intentions to represent Helensville, is “you’re in cloud-cuckoo land and dreaming”.

    (Meant – of course – in a CARING way …) :)

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