General Debate 27 June 2014

June 27th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. minus (136 comments) says:

    So was Donghua Liu one of the unknown donors to Cunliffe’s secret Presland & Co trust fund, supporting Cunliffe’s American-style leadership “primary”, which when revealed would have created such embarrassment that the money, reputedly around $20,000, was returned, converting the donation into a six month secret loan, in a transaction now omitted from Hansard, and thus erased from the history of Parliament?
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/06/ching_says_now_me.html#comments

    Just wondering, as you do :-)

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  2. mjw (224 comments) says:

    It’s a sad day when the country’s leading newspaper becomes complicit in a totally false political smear.

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  3. hj (6,350 comments) says:

    2.1. 2 MBC Research on housing and immigrants 1999

    Title: Immigration and Metropolitan House Prices in Canada
    Author(s): David Ley and Judith Tutchener
    Department: Geography
    University: University of British Columbia
    Released: March 1999

    Ley and Tutchener’s (1999) study examines the housing price trajectories in eight

    metropolitan areas in Canada between 1971 and 1996. The main highlight in the research is
    the fact that real estate prices in Toronto and Vancouver have followed different trajectories
    than the rest of the cities included in the study. The authors point out that markets in
    Vancouver and Toronto have experienced substantial price gains during economic booms and
    heavy losses during economic downturns. They attribute these deep price fluctuations to high immigration quotas, adding that immigration impacts both the housing supply and the rental stock.
    According to the authors, a large influx of business immigrants to Toronto in 1986 resulted in a four-year real estate appreciation. Housing prices increased 27 percent in 1986,

    37 percent in 1987, 21 percent in 1988, and 19 percent in 1989. Prices started to decline when

    the recession began in 1990. The authors note that while Toronto’s housing prices started to

    decline in 1990, they rose steadily in Vancouver until 1995. The authors link the continuous

    market appreciation in Vancouver to the steady landing of wealthy Asian immigrants. The

    main conclusion of Ley and Tutchener’s (1999) study is that timing, location, and high

    immigration rates are correlated with high real estate prices in Toronto and Vancouver. They

    suggest that immigration is good business for developers and the real estate industry, and

    argue that:

    Without the very high level of housing demand sustained by immigrants in
    the early 1990s, the collapse of Toronto [housing] prices would have been
    much exaggerated, perhaps precipitous. This is of course why the
    development industry in Toronto and Vancouver (Ley, 1995; Mitchell,
    1996) has lobbied so hard for sustained high immigration levels. (p. 18)

    http://mbc.metropolis.net/assets/uploads/files/wp/2001/WP01-20.pdf
    Highly unlikely ofcourse.

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  4. kowtow (7,625 comments) says:

    Libya has just had an election with a very low turnout and is basically in a state of anarchy(Turkey and Saudi Arabia funding much of the trouble).Syria is being torn apart with all sorts funding the mayhem there. Iraq in a state of civil war.Egypt no longer controls the Sinai.

    How’s that Arab ‘Spring” going and how much guilt should be attributed to Obama ,Cameron and Hollande for the war crimes and misery inflicted on the millions of ruined lives in those countries?

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  5. kowtow (7,625 comments) says:

    mjw

    What ,the Southland Times smearing?

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  6. thedavincimode (6,532 comments) says:

    Question 1 Part A (1 mark)

    Reconcile these quotes from the same author:

    Kokila got a boyfriend at last?

    He’s trying oh so hard to be funny and ridicule people again.
    A consistently sleazy smearing unfunny coward.

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  7. Lance (2,451 comments) says:

    Here is one for all the obsessive compulsive Obama haters who drone on and on and on and on about the devil incarnate

    http://www.designboom.com/technology/president-obama-3d-printed-bust-national-portrait-gallery-06-25-2014/

    Go ahead, burst a blood vessel.

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  8. bringbackdemocracy (394 comments) says:

    The election will be close

    Option 1) Conservatives in parliament. Key chooses between Conservatives and NZ First as coalition partners.
    Option 2) Conservatives not in parliament. Winston chooses between National or Labour led Government.

    I Know which option I would prefer.

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  9. Tauhei Notts (1,607 comments) says:

    I read where the country’s abortion rate was the lowest since 1995.
    I thought about that and wondered if the advances in Ultra Sound technology could possibly be having some effect.
    Do others think that might be a reason?

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  10. hj (6,350 comments) says:

    Without the very high level of housing demand sustained by immigrants in
    the early 1990s, the collapse of Toronto [housing] prices would have been
    much exaggerated, perhaps precipitous. This is of course why the
    development industry in Toronto and Vancouver (Ley, 1995; Mitchell,
    1996) has lobbied so hard for sustained high immigration levels. (p. 18)

    http://mbc.metropolis.net/assets/uploads/files/wp/2001/WP01-20.pdf
    Is a bigger story than Dong (what’shisname).

    Labour attacks immigration policy like a toothless ewe having professor Paul Spoonley, Russel Brown, David Slack, RadioNZ journalists, LPrent and assorted ellitisphere Goodies watching over them. The Greens wave aside any suggestion of a threat to the locals. I wonder if it is true Winston doesn’t want to build talent in case he is in someone’s shadow?

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  11. Keeping Stock (10,100 comments) says:

    @ bringbackdemocracy – your comment presumes that NZF will indeed get voted back into Parliament. On the basis of most of the polls over the last month, that is looking less likely.

    Winston First has passed its use-by date, its constituency is quite literally a dying one, and its leader is no longer the charismatic force he once was. I would suggest that Tracey, Barbara, Andrew, Denis, Asenati and Richard update their CV’s in preparation for a post-September job search. Asenati in particular may have a future in public relations ;-)

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  12. Harriet (4,514 comments) says:

    Tauhei Notts.

    It might be, and I think they said that most abortions occure at around 12 weeks. But as Andrei said, the population is ageing. It was only a drop of around 700.

    I don’t think attitudes have changed too much in the subsets that make up women who choose abortion. Although I do believe women are starting to question abortion – in that should they oppose it.

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  13. kowtow (7,625 comments) says:

    Obama ,the great statesman?

    Arm them in Syria ,to fight them in Iraq?

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/26/obama-seeks-500m-to-train-equip-syrian-rebels/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fpolitics+%28Internal+-+Politics+-+Text%29

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  14. Scott Chris (5,880 comments) says:

    Apparently Jimmy Savile liked to fuck over the occasional corpse. Shared this predilection with the news media it would seem . :?

    No doubt it will soon be revealed that Savile was, in fact, a plastic surgery altered Nazi who drank babies blood.

    Two witnesses also told investigators Savile………… wore rings which he said were made from the glass eyes of dead bodies from his friends at the hospital.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/10205410/Jimmy-Savile-abused-dead-bodies

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  15. UglyTruth (3,989 comments) says:

    How’s that Arab ‘Spring” going and how much guilt should be attributed to Obama ,Cameron and Hollande for the war crimes and misery inflicted on the millions of ruined lives in those countries?

    Turkey is connected to Obama via US secretary of state John Kerry, when Turkish conspirators implicated Kerry by saying to the effect that they would have to have a strategy to present to Kerry before proceeding with a false flag to promote war with Syria.

    http://www.corbettreport.com/turkeys-false-flag-plan-what-youre-not-being-told/

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  16. Dom Knots (155 comments) says:

    The term ‘arab spring’ is a cliche invented in the west. What you are referring to is an arab awakening. The government omitted from the one’s mentioned is israel and netanyahu. Other than that – spot on.

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  17. hj (6,350 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock (10,020 comments) says:
    Winston First has passed its use-by date, its constituency is quite literally a dying one, and its leader is no longer the charismatic force he once was. I would suggest that Tracey, Barbara, Andrew, Denis, Asenati and Richard update their CV’s in preparation for a post-September job search. Asenati in particular may have a future in public relations
    ….

    The poll shows 62 percent of voters want tighter restrictions on immigration, while only 35 percent say leave it.
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    Unsurprisingly, 84 percent of NZ First voters want immigration restricted. Sixty-eight percent of Labour voters agree, along with 58 percent of Green Party voters.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/David-Cunliffe-blames-migrants-for-housing-crisis/tabid/1607/articleID/345855/Default.aspx#ixzz33jj2pF7w

    Immigration minister Michael Woodhouse said the results were not surprising. “It suggests to me that Messrs Cunliffe and co are missing the point. I would interpret it as saying there is a minority of people who think it should decrease but actually it’s not that important to them.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/10186891/Immigration-fails-to-raise-voter-anger

    Even Peters own voters aren’t convinced by this old trick – 92 per cent of his supporters don’t rate immigration as a problem.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/10187254/Immi-what-Hysteria-over-immigration-falls-flat
    Funny Business. Politics controlled by the media who tell us who we are and how we think (in their own image).

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  18. jackinabox (586 comments) says:

    Police recruits on road to careers

    By Melissa Wishart

    I had a big laugh at this one.

    6:24 AM Friday Jun 27, 2014

    Wanganui’s three new recruits are excited for their future in the police force. They are Anna Reti (left), Karl Pascoe, and Jemara Mackie. Photo/Stuart

    Munro

    Wanganui’s newest police recruits aren’t sure yet where they want to go in the force – but they’re enjoying the ride.

    None more so, perhaps, than 22-year-old Karl Pascoe, who said one of the best parts was “driving fast”.

    The three new recruits started three weeks ago and have been working in traffic and general duties.

    Whanganui Chronicle

    I can just see young Karl Pascoe careering round the roads of Wanganui.

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  19. UglyTruth (3,989 comments) says:

    @Dom Knots

    The destabilization of Syria and Iraq is consistent with the Oded Yinon plan.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

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  20. Manolo (13,367 comments) says:

    The Jews are to blame, shouts the resident Islamist and faithful lover of vile Islam.
    Death to the infidels, he promises.

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  21. hj (6,350 comments) says:

    All those NZ First MP’s are on $130 to $140,000/ annum plus they have research staff yet they can’t run a web site.? Who thinks any of the MP’s head to foot makes a favourable impression? Where is the analysis of issues? Why can’t they use Andrea Vance as an opportunity? Why can’t they rush in to the void left by Labour/Green?
    NZ First could tidy up this:

    Population growth is expected to accelerate this year, placing pressure on infrastructure – and crucially house prices. In May’s Budget, Treasury growth forecasts have migration peaking at 41,500 in the December quarter. An April paper from its wonks said monetary policy should be better tailored to the economy’s ability to respond to population increase.

    This set the Opposition off, banging the drums on housing affordability and migration. Labour is yet to finalise its immigration and population policy, but have suggested capping new arrivals would cool down the market.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/10186891/Immigration-fails-to-raise-voter-anger

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  22. UglyTruth (3,989 comments) says:

    For Manolo:

    Marks on the bones of nearly 800 children found in a Roman Catholic Nun septic tank indicated they had been ritually killed a source within the Irish Garda police force revealed this week. The informant told five judges of the International Common Law Court of Justice (ICLCJ) in Brussels that forensic experts have confirmed the decapitation and dismemberment of babies in the mass grave resembled the usual signs of ritualistic murder. Last week death certificates were released on the 796 Irish children, ages two months to nine years, found in a cistern at the Catholic St. Mary’s Mothers and Babies Home near Taum.

    The forensic evidence appeared to link the children’s deaths to the global elite Ninth Circle Satanic Child Sacrifice Cult network. Since last month Roman Catholic and Irish government officials have been named by witnesses at the ICLCJ Court as members of the Ninth Circle Satanic Child Sacrifice Cult. “These children weren’t just cut up, they were massacred” the policeman from the Irish Garda told the court.

    http://childabuserecovery.com/decapitated-dismembered-children-in-catholic-mass-grave-site-were-ritually-murdered/

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  23. dime (9,430 comments) says:

    Dime had a late night here so maybe someone can help me out. From stuff:

    “Gill, competing in Rarotonga yesterday, threw a lifetime best of 20.70m with the senior 7kg shot to claim the Oceania title.”

    “Walsh raised the New Zealand record to 21.26m in March – almost a full metre beyond Gill’s new best.”

    umm is that like saying someone whos packin a 5 1/2 inch dick as having an “almost 10 inch dick”?

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  24. Dom Knots (155 comments) says:

    yeah, ug. Netanyahu and his cronies continue to cut a swath of destruction through those lands. Many good people in israel are disgusted by the actions of their government. World public opinion is building against these crimes. As with South Africa, the u.s will eventually be swayed by that world opinion and cut the strings from the lunatic state. Hopefully it will come before israel is destroyed as a consequence of its own greed.

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  25. gravedodger (1,515 comments) says:

    @ keeping Stock 9 29,
    “Asenati in particular may have a future in public relations”

    I am afraid to request further information but what sort of relations were you considering she attempt in public?

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  26. Judith (7,606 comments) says:

    @minus (117 comments) says:
    June 27th, 2014 at 8:03 am

    GOSSIP – you sad ol’ woman!

    @bringbackdemocracy (378 comments) says:
    June 27th, 2014 at 8:15 am

    None of the above. Unless the next Government is made up of just one party, it will be nothing but bad news for the country.

    @Tauhei Notts (1,570 comments) says:
    June 27th, 2014 at 8:16 am

    I suspect it has a lot more to do with the ready availability of the morning after pill – either that or there just isn’t as much ‘loving’ going on.

    @ hj (6,170 comments) says:
    June 27th, 2014 at 8:25 am

    You’re such a bundle of cheer in the mornings. Try a quickee before you get out of bed, it might help.

    @ Keeping Stock (10,020 comments) says:
    June 27th, 2014 at 8:29 am

    Just where does one check for their ‘use by’ date? It really depends on what you want to ‘use’ them for. The fact that he is still being referred to, is indication that he’s not quite past it yet. He still has the ‘use’ of getting up your nose, obviously! :P

    @ Scott Chris (5,817 comments) says:
    June 27th, 2014 at 8:43 am

    Alive or dead, I’ve heard some men complain that sometimes there is not much difference! :-)

    @ igm (1,262 comments) says:
    June 27th, 2014 at 9:09 am

    The fact those supporters have a vote indicates they are not useless. The fact you persistently whinge about them, indicates they are extremely effective, and will possibly be effective enough in giving you an ulcer. I hope you say thank you! :P

    @ the rest

    Really? :-)

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  27. Yvette (2,691 comments) says:

    Judith, whatever you are on, get off it
    and if you’re not, you should seriously think of taking something for it.

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  28. James Stephenson (2,029 comments) says:

    cut the strings from the lunatic state.

    The only real democracy in the region and they’re a “lunatic state” oh-kaay.

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  29. Judith (7,606 comments) says:

    @ Yvette (2,637 comments) says:
    June 27th, 2014 at 9:25 am

    So you are promoting the argument that someone who disagrees with you, must be on medication? Then you contravene your argument by suggesting that if they are not on medication, they need it. I think my dear, that you are the one that is confused. Try sex, if that isn’t available, masturbation might suffice as an alternative. You National supporters really are an awfully grumpy lot. :P

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  30. Dom Knots (155 comments) says:

    ahaha Jack. Our police cars are looking like a bunch of wrecked out dodgems right now. It must be costing a fortune.

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  31. UglyTruth (3,989 comments) says:

    Many good people in israel are disgusted by the actions of their government.

    http://www.nkusa.org/aboutus/index.cfm

    Neturei Karta oppose the so-called “State of Israel” not because it operates secularly, but because the entire concept of a sovereign Jewish state is contrary to Jewish Law.

    All the great rabbis who in accordance with Jewish Law opposed Zionism at its inception did not do so merely due to consideration of the secular lifestyles of the then Zionist leaders or even for their opposition to Torah heritage and rejection of its values and practices, but due to the fact that the entire concept of a Jewish state is in direct conflict with a number of Judaism’s fundamentals.

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  32. Elaycee (4,301 comments) says:

    As soon as terrorists stop lobbing ordnance over the border into the sovereign state of Israel (or stop kidnapping Israeli citizens), then there will be no need for retaliation. Its that simple.

    But if terrorists (including Hamas et al) maintain their current offensive, you can rest assured Israel’s forces will seek them out and deliver summary justice.

    Sorted.

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  33. UglyTruth (3,989 comments) says:

    Necessity has no law, Elaycee. The terrorism committed by the state of Israel far outweighs “lobbing ordnance” or kidnapping.

    The Lavon Affair.
    The Attack on the USS Liberty.
    The Sabra and Shatilla Massacres.
    9/11 as motivation for the destruction of Iraq.

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  34. Dom Knots (155 comments) says:

    All terrorist acts should be condemned and are illegal under international law. Now if israel would be kind enough to remove itself from the occupied territories and desist from the ethnic cleansing and war crimes against the Palestinian people there might be a chance for all people of that region to live together.

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  35. SGA (811 comments) says:

    Judith at 9:21 am

    Alive or dead, I’ve heard some men complain that sometimes there is not much difference! :-)

    From the time when “Jewish American Princess” jokes were doing the rounds.
    What does a Jewish American Princess say while she’s having sex? “Beige, I think I’ll paint the ceiling beige.”

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  36. Dom Knots (155 comments) says:

    thank christ Judith is posting again to take some of the rage. I couldn’t cope

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  37. Ryan Sproull (7,030 comments) says:

    As soon as terrorists stop lobbing ordnance over the border into the sovereign state of Israel (or stop kidnapping Israeli citizens), then there will be no need for retaliation. Its that simple.

    What do you think Palestinians should do when Israelis kidnap Palestinian teenagers, Elaycee? What kind of retaliation, I mean.

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  38. Lance (2,451 comments) says:

    Oh look
    The ‘evil Joo’ haters are out in concert this morning. The memo must have been circulated last night by the sisterhood.

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  39. Elaycee (4,301 comments) says:

    Necessity has no law…

    Necessity? What bollocks.

    Actions have consequences. Israel has the total right to defend itself (and its citizens) from terrorist attack. If someone (anyone) attacks, Israel will defend their sovereign territory and their citizens.

    Some folk need to accept Israel will never be forced off their sovereign land. A few have tried in our lifetime (Egypt / Syria / Jordan etc) and each time they were summarily spanked. Now ‘Hamas’ is using terrorism as their weapon of choice – but they can expect a similar outcome to the rest.

    Its only a question of time before Israel decides to lance the boil once and for all.

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  40. Judith (7,606 comments) says:

    Dom Knots (85 comments) says:
    June 27th, 2014 at 9:40 am
    thank christ Judith is posting again to take some of the rage. I couldn’t cope

    I am sorry Dom, I’ve just been so busy making real people’s lives a misery, that I just haven’t had time for the Kiwibloggers. :-(

    I promise I’ll work as hard as I can to say something to peeve them off. It doesn’t take much effort ;-)

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  41. hj (6,350 comments) says:

    Judith (6,811 comments) says:
    @ hj (6,170 comments) says:
    June 27th, 2014 at 8:25 am

    You’re such a bundle of cheer in the mornings. Try a quickee before you get out of bed, it might help.

    anything in particular that you objected to?

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  42. UglyTruth (3,989 comments) says:

    Necessity? What bollocks.

    Your argument, not mine Elacee.
    ” … then there will be no need for retaliation”

    Actions have consequences. Israel has the total right to defend itself (and its citizens) from terrorist attack.

    Yes. Defence and the “need for retaliation” are different things.

    If someone (anyone) attacks, Israel will defend their sovereign territory and their citizens.

    Israel has no sovereign territory. The Zionist state has no right to the land, it possesses territory by force of arms alone.

    Some folk need to accept Israel will never be forced off their sovereign land.

    Israel and the Zionist state of Israel are two very different things.

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  43. Judith (7,606 comments) says:

    @ hj (6,171 comments) says:
    June 27th, 2014 at 10:13 am

    Just the stuff between the first word and the full stop. The rest was fine ! :P

    (nothing really annoying hj, it just sounded a bit grumpy, but perhaps it’s my hearing! Everyone seems grumpy these days, and life is far too short for that)

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  44. UglyTruth (3,989 comments) says:

    The ‘evil Joo’ haters are out in concert this morning.

    Many Palestinians are Jewish or of Jewish descent, idiot.

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  45. Tauhei Notts (1,607 comments) says:

    Judith at 9.21
    Thank you for your thoughtful comments.

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  46. yesjg (43 comments) says:

    I see that Luis Suarez is looking for a temporary job while he serves out his four month suspension from football. He says that he doesn’t mind what kind of a job it is as long as it is one that he can get his teeth into.

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  47. freemark (448 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11282552
    Now wasn’t the sky going to fall down under this initiative? Maybe the Teacher Unions and their Red/Green/Black underlings were worried about not getting enough indoctrination in or the chance to intimidate enough teachers…

    “Mixed evidence not enough to prove scheme a ‘sound approach’ for New Zealand
    However, PPTA president Robin Duff did not believe this was enough to prove fast-track schemes were a sound approach for New Zealand’s government. “A scheme that may or may not work, depending on the context, is not good enough. It gambles with the future of New Zealand’s students,” he said.
    Similar to the lack of evidence around the effectiveness of the various TFA schemes in operation, there were few studies on the motivations or influence of the philanthropic foundations behind the schemes. Foundations supporting Teach For Australia and Teach First UK do not have as publicly articulated agendas for education reform as their American counterparts whose reform agendas seem “well aligned with privatised, market-driven educational systems, and a focus on standardised testing of student achievement…” the report says.”

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  48. Manolo (13,367 comments) says:

    Labour to fix this immediately: http://money.msn.co.nz/businessnews/national/8866352/nz-dollar-hits-three-year-high

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  49. Manolo (13,367 comments) says:

    Curbing the powers of the amateur king/emperor president: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/27/us/supreme-court-president-recess-appointments.html?_r=0

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  50. James Stephenson (2,029 comments) says:

    Many Palestinians are Jewish or of Jewish descent, idiot.

    Plenty of Israelis are “arabs”, what’s your point?

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  51. thedavincimode (6,532 comments) says:

    Question 1 Part B (1 mark)

    Who wrote:

    … the knowledge might prevent you from offering such outdated, uninformed, apologist, leftist garbage in the future …

    I’ve been called worse. Of course, one person’s anti-Americanism is another’s love of country. I was referring to the sort of commentary that spews from ageing Lord Haw Haws like you, Fisk, Pilger, Chomsky (man, what is it with elderly, silver-haired white people?).

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  52. stephieboy (2,179 comments) says:

    UT, both Palestinians and Israelis ( Jews ) share a common semitic heritage. DNA analysis demonstrate this.
    Is that what your trying to say.??

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  53. stephieboy (2,179 comments) says:

    UglyTruth (3,740 comments) says:
    June 27th, 2014 at 9:35 am

    I have traversed these issus ( the Lavron affair ,Liberty ,The Sabra and Shatilla Massacres.) before and neither can be described as acts of Terror.
    9/11 as motivation for the destruction of the Iraq .?? Utterly and fatuously absurd by one who is apparently motivated by pure and undiluted dislike of jews , period.!

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  54. Colville (2,081 comments) says:

    Alive or dead, I’ve heard some men complain that sometimes there is not much difference!

    How do you tell when your Missus is dead?
    Well the sex is the same but the dishes pile up. :-)

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  55. Jack5 (4,589 comments) says:

    What’s going on in Invers???

    Stewart Islanders forced to move to Invercargill often quickly die, says a Southland District Councillor.

    Is it the “…ill” that makes them carg-it?

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/10205188/Invercargill-often-a-fatal-move

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  56. Nukuleka (211 comments) says:

    Scott Chris- as I blogged earlier, we cannot have any faith whatsoever in the nonsense that the media feed us! Stories such as ‘Nun’s eat babies’ feed not only anti- Catholic bias and the popular frenzy for ‘golly gosh gee whizz’ sensationalism but they also sell newspapers and pull in countless credulous tv infotainment viewers.

    As for Jimmy Saville having sex with dead bodies and having rings made from the eyes taken from the dead- universal education has clearly done nothing to raise the general intelligence level of the population who will swallow any old fiction that is dished up.

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  57. stephieboy (2,179 comments) says:

    Manolo (13,110 comments) says:
    June 27th, 2014 at 10:39 am

    Curbing the imminent ushering in of the Totalitarian state, eh.!

    From your Paranoia King,

    http://www.infowars.com/hitler-survivor-obama-making-u-s-totalitarian/

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  58. publicwatchdog (2,106 comments) says:

    Anyone know exactly when the National Party list is going to be announced?

    I suspect that John Key will do a Bill English and stand only on the list.

    Hopefully, I am wrong because I REALLY would like to give him a run for his money, when I stand as an Independent Anti-Corruption Public Watchdog in Helensville.

    Imagine if supporters from ALL other parties standing in Helensville voted strategically –
    Penny Bright for the Helensville electorate vote, and focused on their respective Party votes?

    The decent ‘Public Watchdog’ vs the shonky ‘Wall St poodle’?

    The ‘Tradie’ vs the ‘Trader’?

    PM (Penelope Mary ) Bright vs PM John Key?

    Given that the Helensville electorate boundaries are within the Auckland Supercity boundaries, I suspect that a number of the nearly 12,000 votes obtained in the 2013 Auckland Mayoral campaign, came from there?

    Brains, heart, guts, balls – what more do you want in a good Kiwi sheila? ;)

    What do you think Kiwibloggers?

    Whether or not the Member for Merrill Lynch John Key, takes fright at this news, (given that he kinda doesn’t like to lose – sort of thing) and bails from Helensville – that’s still where I’ll be standing, on this very clear and simple ‘ACTION PLAN against ‘white-collar crime, corruption and corporate welfare’:

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ANTI-CORRUPTION-WHITE-COLLAR-CRIME-CORPORATE-WELFARE-ACTION-PLAN-Ak-Mayoral-campaign-19-July-2013-2.pdf

    (Yes, I know, I don’t live in Helensville – but neither does John Key.)

    PS: I’ve checked the information provided on the Parliamentary website on the current 121 MPs – seems that there is no one who has listed ‘Tradesperson’ on their ‘career’ background?

    (Not all MPs have given background information about their former careers – so if anyone does have factual information which confirms that any of the current 121 MPs – does actually have a ‘Trades background – please advise. :)

    Time for the NZ House of Representatives to be a little more ‘representative’?

    Cheers!

    Penny Bright

    Advanced Trade – Sheetmetal Engineering (http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/qualifications/)

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  59. Manolo (13,367 comments) says:

    Miss Dim, are you or any of your sidekicks in Kim DotCom’s payroll?
    Come clean: who funded your trip to Brisbane?’

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  60. Viking2 (11,129 comments) says:

    So, the Judge rules that the school broke thee Law. suspension illegal as is the long hair rule.

    Now that will get everyone in a frenzy for the week.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/10207087/Lucan-Battison-wins-long-hair-court-battle

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  61. Lance (2,451 comments) says:

    So I guess schools can’t set rules anymore.
    Next step is a resident lawyer in every school to cope with the brave new world of endless petty litigation.

    Fuck what a horror story.

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  62. kowtow (7,625 comments) says:

    Courts/judges are very happy to uphold the rules /traditions around respect for themselves ,pity they’ve become such activists and fail/refuse to see that the same respect for rules and traditions are no longer required in the wider community.

    No wonder so many people see these folk as part of the out of touch establishment.

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  63. Dom Knots (155 comments) says:

    Re the massacre at Sabra and Shatilla: On 16 December 1982, the United Nations General Assembly condemned the massacre and declared it to be an act of genocide.[52] The voting record[53][54][55] on section D of Resolution 37/123 was: yes: 123; no: 0; abstentions: 22; non-voting: 12.

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  64. Dom Knots (155 comments) says:

    by hokey the cops gave that guy a good old tasering. Another very good reason to never arm the nz police force. Can’t wait for greg o connor to justify that act of mindless thuggery.

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  65. Manolo (13,367 comments) says:

    A good read on inter-generational welfare:
    http://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.co.nz/2014/06/inter-generational-welfare-dependency.html

    About 90% of new 16-17 year old beneficiaries have been supported by main benefits at some time in their childhood.

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  66. Alan (1,062 comments) says:

    I’m starting to warm to Penny, obviously she’s as mad as cut snake, but she seems happy mad. Better than the angry mad that other people have.

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  67. Lance (2,451 comments) says:

    @Alan
    Delicious mixed metaphor there.

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  68. stigie (908 comments) says:

    Got to hand it to Penny, at least she doesnt abuse, unlike some abusive characters on here !~

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  69. Redbaiter (7,619 comments) says:

    “So, the Judge rules that the school broke thee Law. suspension illegal as is the long hair rule.”

    A prog judge.

    Ignorant of private property concepts and therefore not fit to judge.

    As kowtow says, there are far too many of these damn fools mistaking their role as protectors of law and order for one of political activism.

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  70. Scott Chris (5,880 comments) says:

    No doubt the school will stoically comply with the judge’s apparently unreasonable ruling. After all, that is what the school is asking hair-boy to do.

    That being said, it surprises me that the judge has taken it upon himself to prescribe the way in which the school should dispense justice.

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  71. Albert_Ross (248 comments) says:

    IIRC the massacres at Sabra and Shatilla were not actually carried out by the Israelis.

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  72. UglyTruth (3,989 comments) says:

    Ignorant of private property concepts and therefore not fit to judge.

    What private property concept do you think that he was ignorant of?
    The school, as a person funded by the state, was bound to obey the rules regarding dismissal of students.

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  73. stephieboy (2,179 comments) says:

    Albert Roos,

    Correct and nor did the Israelis deliberately sink the USS Liberty.

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/liberty.html

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  74. UglyTruth (3,989 comments) says:

    IIRC the massacres at Sabra and Shatilla were not actually carried out by the Israelis.

    True, but they set up the situation.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/ariel-sharon-and-the-horrors-of-the-sabra-and-shatilla-massacre/

    When a ceasefire was agreed with the evacuation of the Palestine Liberation Organisation, Sharon broke that ceasefire and drove tanks under air-cover launching a land invasion into Lebanon’s capitol Beirut. Part of the tanks sealed Sabra Shatilla and prevented the helpless civilian victims from escaping

    My patients and I knew that Sharon and his officers were in control, and without them the massacre would not be possible. The residents of Sabra Shatilla could at least have escaped. Now more than 30 years later, we know that the killers were brought in by Israeli armoured cars and tanks, obeyed Israeli commands, their paths lit by Israeli military flares, and some of them also wore Israeli uniforms.

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  75. UglyTruth (3,989 comments) says:

    Correct and nor did the Israelis deliberately sink the USS Liberty.

    A former Navy attorney who helped lead the military investigation of the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that killed 34 American servicemen says former President Lyndon Johnson and his defense secretary, Robert McNamara, ordered that the inquiry conclude the incident was an accident.

    Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested.

    Later, a dual-citizen Israeli major told survivors that he was in an Israeli war room where he heard that pilot’s radio report. The attacking pilots and everyone in the Israeli war room knew that they were attacking an American ship, the major said. He recanted the statement only after he received threatening phone calls from Israel.

    The pilot’s protests also were heard by radio monitors in the U.S. Embassy in Lebanon. Then-U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon Dwight Porter has confirmed this. Porter told his story to syndicated columnists Rowland Evans and Robert Novak and offered to submit to further questioning by authorities. Unfortunately, no one in the U.S. government has any interest in hearing these first-person accounts of Israeli treachery.

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ussliberty.html

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  76. kowtow (7,625 comments) says:

    RNZ news reported the judge said the hair rules breached the students human rights……..

    ……look where that sort of activism has taken the UK!

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  77. UglyTruth (3,989 comments) says:

    “Many Palestinians are Jewish or of Jewish descent, idiot.”

    Plenty of Israelis are “arabs”, what’s your point?

    That it is stupid of you to smear criticism of the state of of Israel as being “Joo hatred”.

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  78. Manolo (13,367 comments) says:

    Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Irak, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Nigeria, etc, etc, all horrible places (shit holes is a better description) with a common denominator: followers of the religion of peace, the vile Islam.

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  79. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    Su’a William Sio – Labour MP on RadioLive this afternoon – being attracted to same sex a ‘lifestyle choice’.

    Redneck Islander denial of fact. There’s so much to love about them.

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  80. UglyTruth (3,989 comments) says:

    RNZ news reported the judge said the hair rules breached the students human rights

    The are misreporting the issue. According to the ruling the criteria for dismissal set by the legislation was not met, human rights were not mentioned.

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  81. Dom Knots (155 comments) says:

    blocking exits and sending up flares to light the skies so that the southern lebanese forces could go about the butchery of the people in those camps was the least israel did, albert.

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  82. stephieboy (2,179 comments) says:

    MYTH
    “Israel was responsible for the massacre of Palestinian refugees at Sabra and Shatila.”
    FACT
    The Lebanese Christian Phalangist militia was responsible for the massacres that occurred at the two Beirut-area refugee camps on September 16–17, 1982. Israeli troops allowed the Phalangists to enter Sabra and Shatila to root out terrorist cells believed to be located there. It had been estimated that there may have been up to 200 armed men in the camps working out of the countless bunkers built by the PLO over the years, and stocked with generous reserves of ammunition. 6
    When Israeli soldiers ordered the Phalangists out, they found hundreds dead (estimates range from 460 according to the Lebanese police, to 700–800 calculated by Israeli intelligence). The dead, according to the Lebanese account, included 35 women and children. The rest were men: Palestinians, Lebanese, Pakistanis, Iranians, Syrians and Algerians. 7 The killings were perpetrated to avenge the murders of Lebanese President Bashir Gemayel and 25 of his followers, killed in a bomb attack earlier that week. 8
    Israel had allowed the Phalange to enter the camps as part of a plan to transfer authority to the Lebanese, and accepted responsibility for that decision. The Kahan Commission of Inquiry, formed by the Israeli government in response to public outrage and grief, found that Israel was indirectly responsible for not anticipating the possibility of Phalangist violence. Subsequently, Defense Minister Ariel Sharon resigned and the Army Chief of Staff, Gen. Raful Eitan, was dismissed.
    The Kahan Commission, declared former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, was “a great tribute to Israeli democracy. . . . There are very few governments in the world that one can imagine making such a public investigation of such a difficult and shameful episode.” 9
    Ironically, while 300,000 Israelis protested the killings, little or no reaction occurred in the Arab world. Outside the Middle East, a major international outcry against Israel erupted over the massacres. The Phalangists, who perpetrated the crime, were spared the brunt of the condemnations for it.
    By contrast, few voices were raised in May 1985, when Muslim militiamen attacked the Shatila and Burj-el Barajneh Palestinian refugee camps. According to UN officials, 635 were killed and 2,500 wounded. During a two-year battle between the Syrian-backed Shiite Amal militia and the PLO, more than 2,000 people, including many civilians, were reportedly killed. No outcry was directed at the PLO or the Syrians and their allies over the slaughter. International reaction was also muted in October 1990 when Syrian forces overran Christian-controlled areas of Lebanon. In the eight-hour clash, 700 Christians were killed—the worst single battle of Lebanon’s Civil War. 10 These killings came on top of an estimated 95,000 deaths that had occurred during the civil war in Lebanon from 1975–1982.11

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFlebanon.html

    Global Research is notorious in its Anti Israeli stance and is rife with anti Jewish and anti Israeli conspiracy theory ,
    Example
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

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  83. stephieboy (2,179 comments) says:

    What Really Happened craziness,

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/content/how-conspiracy-theories-help-government-—-sandy-hook-and-911-show-way-conspiracies-cover-con

    I rest my case.!

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  84. UglyTruth (3,989 comments) says:

    Tell us some more lies about how there is no evidence of molten steel from 9/11, idiot boy.

    An idiot liar defending the state of Israel says it all.

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  85. Dom Knots (155 comments) says:

    jesus fucking christ – youre using the jewish virtual library as a source for that. never become a journalist, stephie. there’s enough media bias as it is without you not knowing the facts.

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  86. Manolo (13,367 comments) says:

    UT, do you consider a wife a chattel of her husband?
    Do you want her to cover her hair at all times?
    Do you allow a woman the right to education, to drive a car, to pursue a professional career?
    Do you support female mutilation?

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  87. stephieboy (2,179 comments) says:

    U T,you to a Tee,

    “What a fool believes, no wise man has the power to reason away.”

    Dom Knots , and your reputable sources.??

    Enlighten us.?

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  88. UglyTruth (3,989 comments) says:

    No. Manolo, do you consider the ritual satanic killings of children and infants appropriate behaviour for Catholics?

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  89. Nukuleka (211 comments) says:

    The High Court ruling by Justice David Collins will be viewed by the liberal media as a victory for student rights in the face of ‘unreasonable’ and ‘old-fashioned school rules’- and the liberals will crow. It’s a farce. Whatever ‘points of law’ the Judge may present as the basis for his decision we all know that it is simply another example of an activist judge pushing a personal barrel. It is appalling that the school has to pay costs.

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  90. Lance (2,451 comments) says:

    UT
    You should string more insults into your sentences of those you disagree with

    Like … idiot no-brain punk stink fool clueless liar fuckwit retard joo-loving creep

    There you go, a good template to work from

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  91. UglyTruth (3,989 comments) says:

    Whatever ‘points of law’ the Judge may present as the basis for his decision we all know that it is simply another example of an activist judge pushing a personal barrel.

    The point is that schools don’t get funding without strings attached, in this case legislation relating to reasons for suspending a student.

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  92. stephieboy (2,179 comments) says:

    UT, oh delude and fatuous one. Lets not of course forget the Jewish ritual satanic killings,

    http://thisiszionism.blogspot.co.nz/2008/02/jewish-child-sacrifice-and-jewish.html

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  93. UglyTruth (3,989 comments) says:

    Lance, calling somone “joo-loving” isn’t really an insult IMO.

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  94. mikenmild (10,720 comments) says:

    Hardly took an ‘activist judge’ to point out that the school hadn’t even followed it’s own rules and that in any case suspension was way over the top for such a minor issue.

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  95. UglyTruth (3,989 comments) says:

    UT, oh delude and fatuous one.

    Where’s the “delude”, idiot?

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  96. stephieboy (2,179 comments) says:

    UT, sorry but you are” deluded “and it’s patently obvious.!

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  97. Dom Knots (155 comments) says:

    no, manolo. do you support the torture of circumcsing infant males?

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  98. UglyTruth (3,989 comments) says:

    What is patently obvious is that liars can’t back up their accusations.

    Do you deny that you lied when you said that there was no evidence for molten steel from 9/11?

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  99. Dom Knots (155 comments) says:

    stephie, if i use the words ‘international law’ that might be a pretty good hint as to where i’m sourcing from in that instance.

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  100. thedavincimode (6,532 comments) says:

    Question 1 Part C (18 marks)

    To whom were the comments quoted in Part B (above) addressed?

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  101. publicwatchdog (2,106 comments) says:

    ‘BOYolo’ – are your eyes painted on?

    I know – anonymous/gutless one – that you’re trying your pathetic best to try and stir shit and discredit me – but you just make yourself look silly when you keep repeating the same old spin – to which I’ve already replied?

    Ok!

    AGAIN – I have not, would not and will not accept ANY donations from Kim Dotcom.

    Got it?

    My trip to the G20 Anti-Corruption Conference in Brisbane – I am funding myself.

    Got it?

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

    PS: If any Kiwiblogger has a cure for ‘willful blindness’ – can you please pass it on to ‘Manolo’ – whoever he or she actually is?

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  102. publicwatchdog (2,106 comments) says:

    Some more info Kiwibloggers – including my proven previous track record of taking on John Key – FYI

    MEDIA ALERT: Will the ‘Wall St poodle’ PM John Key, bail from the Helensville electorate, in case he loses to the ‘Public Watchdog’ PM Bright?
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Anyone know exactly when the National Party list is going to be announced?

    I suspect that John Key will do a Bill English and stand only on the list.

    Hopefully, I am wrong because I REALLY would like to give him a run for his money, when I stand as an Independent Anti-Corruption Public Watchdog in Helensville.

    Imagine if supporters from ALL other parties standing in Helensville voted strategically – Penny Bright for the Helensville electorate vote, and focused on their respective Party votes?

    The decent ‘Public Watchdog’ vs the shonky ‘Wall St poodle’?

    The ‘Tradie’ vs the ‘Trader’?

    PM (Penelope Mary ) Bright vs PM John Key?

    Given that the Helensville electorate boundaries are within the Auckland Supercity boundaries, I suspect that a number of the nearly 12,000 votes obtained in the 2013 Auckland Mayoral campaign, came from there?

    Whether or not the Member for Merrill Lynch John Key, takes fright at this news, (given that he kinda doesn’t like to lose – sort of thing) and bails from Helensville – that’s still where I’ll be standing, on this very clear and simple ‘ACTION PLAN against ‘white-collar crime, corruption and corporate welfare’:

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ANTI-CORRUPTION-WHITE-COLLAR-CRIME-CORPORATE-WELFARE-ACTION-PLAN-Ak-Mayoral-campaign-19-July-2013-2.pdf

    (Yes, I know, I don’t live in Helensville – but neither does John Key.)

    But – I have taken on John Key before.

    eg: In 2008 I made a complaint to Police and the SFO against John Key over his effective ‘insider-trading’ over Tranz Rail, and when they refused to do anything, I took a private prosecution.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFTYZVQo-A8

    (Not ONE sentence of this was ever reported in the NZ Herald, although there were regular ‘MAN ON THE MOON’ headlines against NZ First and Winston Peters – the effect of which being to help ensure that NZ First did not make the 5% Party vote threshold.)
    __________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Will John Key profit from New Zealand’s growing debt?

    - I question John Key directly at a Grey Power Public meeting 3 February 2011, when I stood against Jamie-Lee Ross in the Botany by-election:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXwNoaOpDMw

    __________________________________________________________________________________________________

    The one and only time I have confronted John Key directly as part of any Parliamentary process – my ‘submission’ opposing the GCSB Bill (which DID get covered in the NZ Herald:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQgLJixhB4A (The video – 3 mins)

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10894454

    “The other two, James Veitch, a former academic and supporter of the GCSB bill, and Penny Bright, Auckland anti-corruption activist, mayoral candidate and opponent of the bill, were given 10 minutes each.

    Bright started with a lecture about how Key does deals like the Sky City convention centre – “your deals over dinner, deals over the phone – that might be customary practice in how you do things as a foreign exchange dealer or the head of derivatives for Merrill Lynch but that is no way to run a country”.

    On the spy bill, she wanted him to open up all his trust accounts, bank accounts, Swiss bank accounts, tax havens. “Nothing to hide, nothing to fear, come on Prime Minister; you show me yours and I’ll show you mine.”

    Key looked like he really wanted to engage:
    “Okay Penny, thanks very much. Your time has expired.”
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________

    PS: I’ve checked the information provided on the Parliamentary website on the current 121 MPs – seems that there is no one who has listed ‘Tradesperson’ on their ‘career’ background?

    (Not all MPs have given background information about their former careers – so if anyone does have factual information which confirms that any of the current 121 MPs – does actually have a ‘Trades background – please advise :)

    Time for the NZ House of Representatives to be a little more ‘representative’?

    Time for the Public Watchdog to ask the really HARD questions from INSIDE the House?

    Here goes!

    Penny Bright

    Advanced Trade – Sheetmetal Engineering (http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/qualifications/)

    ……………………..
    ………………………

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
    http://www.dodgyjohnHASgone.com
    http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz
    http://www.pennybright4epsom.org.nz

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  103. publicwatchdog (2,106 comments) says:

    hmmm ….. my last comment ‘is awaiting moderation ..’

    Might have been a few too many links?

    Is this better?

    _____________________________________________________________________________________________

    I have taken on John Key before.

    eg: In 2008 I made a complaint to Police and the SFO against John Key over his effective ‘insider-trading’ over Tranz Rail, and when they refused to do anything, I took a private prosecution.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFTYZVQo-A8

    (Not ONE sentence of this was ever reported in the NZ Herald, although there were regular ‘MAN ON THE MOON’ headlines against NZ First and Winston Peters – the effect of which being to help ensure that NZ First did not make the 5% Party vote threshold.)
    __________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Will John Key profit from New Zealand’s growing debt?

    - I question John Key directly at a Grey Power Public meeting 3 February 2011, when I stood against Jamie-Lee Ross in the Botany by-election:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXwNoaOpDMw

    __________________________________________________________________________________________________

    The one and only time I have confronted John Key directly as part of any Parliamentary process – my ‘submission’ opposing the GCSB Bill (which DID get covered in the NZ Herald:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQgLJixhB4A (The video – 3 mins)

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10894454

    “The other two, James Veitch, a former academic and supporter of the GCSB bill, and Penny Bright, Auckland anti-corruption activist, mayoral candidate and opponent of the bill, were given 10 minutes each.

    Bright started with a lecture about how Key does deals like the Sky City convention centre – “your deals over dinner, deals over the phone – that might be customary practice in how you do things as a foreign exchange dealer or the head of derivatives for Merrill Lynch but that is no way to run a country”.

    On the spy bill, she wanted him to open up all his trust accounts, bank accounts, Swiss bank accounts, tax havens.
    “Nothing to hide, nothing to fear, come on Prime Minister; you show me yours and I’ll show you mine.”

    Key looked like he really wanted to engage:
    “Okay Penny, thanks very much. Your time has expired.”
    __________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  104. calendar girl (1,174 comments) says:

    Stigie@1:41pm: “Got to hand it to Penny, at least she doesnt abuse, unlike some abusive characters on here !~”

    Is that the Penny Bright who called the Prime Minister “the Member for Merrill Lynch John Key”? A strange view of what constitutes abuse – slanderous comments are fair enough, eh?

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  105. Gulag1917 (657 comments) says:

    The GCSB will not affect the vast majority of NZ.

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  106. nasska (10,674 comments) says:

    Great to see quite unexpected sense from the High Court in Justice Collin’s ruling over the length of Lucan Battison’s hair. Unless he has another mission, such as mandating the length of pupil’s toenails, the power crazy head pedagogue can now get on with what he is paid to do…..educate the poor unfortunates who attend his vision of boot camp.

    Strange that the normal motley group of Godstalking reactionaries who daily pontificate on these forums attacking declining standards can’t turn their attention to slightly more important things…..

    …..things like the ignored bullying that took place in the Pacific CHRISTIAN School in South Auckland. The Herald article on the incident reveals that the 11 year old antagonist had been ‘ “really, really badly” bullied for more than a year’ & resorted to burying the scissors in the head of one of his tormentors. Bullying that was ignored by the authorities.

    But the length of one pupil’s hair is just so much more important…….

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  107. Gulag1917 (657 comments) says:

    “People already concerned about the government’s establishment of the country’s first centralised electronic database through the Wanganui Computer Centre Act saw this as a further erosion of the civil liberties of New Zealanders. There were sizable protests outside Parliament as a result.”
    http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/culture/the-1970s/1977

    Who is concerned now?

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  108. Redbaiter (7,619 comments) says:

    “slightly more important things…..”

    Poor braindead prog.

    Can’t get that the findings of this idiot judge have ramifications that far exceed the issue of whether some little narcissistic dickwad has to cut his hair or not.

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  109. Redbaiter (7,619 comments) says:

    “A strange view of what constitutes abuse”

    Yes, like “racist”, “abuse” is the prog flavour of the decade among these moronic little dicked brownshirted trolls.

    Notice though that it never comes from the progs. They’re all the epitome of civility and manners on every occasion.

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  110. publicwatchdog (2,106 comments) says:

    Oh – silly me.

    Of course ‘calender girl’ – you are quite correct.

    Merrill Lynch was taken over by the Bank of America – in which John Key is still a shareholder:

    http://www.parliament.nz/resource/en-nz/50DBHOH_PAP26178_1/a0cad8ebe2a4809754573d6bc29718336d6b3a8c

    Rt Hon John Key (National, Helensville)

    2 Other companies and business entities

    Little Nell – property investment, Aspen, Colorado

    Bank of America – banking
    __________________________________________________________________________________________________

    ( No ‘conflict of interest’ there – move along …….. )

    In my considered opinion, John Key – ‘The poodle of Wall St,’ appears very proud of his Merrill Lynch background.

    It’s there for the world to see up on the NZ Government website:

    http://www.parliament.nz/en-nz/mpp/mps/current/50MP78101/key-john

    Rt Hon John Key

    Member for Helensville, National Party

    Career

    Investment banker, New Zealand for 10 years
    Investment banker, Merrill Lynch 1995-2001
    Member, Foreign Exchange Committee of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York 1999-2001

    ________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Seen the ‘Wolf of Wall St’ yet ‘calender girl’?

    Quite an eye-opener, in my view, as to the complete lack of laws, regulations, ethics and morals – unbridled free market capitalism at its most debauched.

    Can you tell me ONE thing about Wall Street that is ‘decent’?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11281836

    Roughan argues that the more ordinary and even error-prone Mr Key appears in such moments, the more it works – because it’s marked contrast to his wealth and business success.

    “The latter could easily work against him in politics if he was not seen to be so transparently normal and even average in other respects.”

    Roughan says that nothing seems to be hidden with Mr Key. In private and in public, he is open-faced and talkative. He answers as many questions as reporters wish to throw at him, rather than closing them off and walking away as if he has something to hide. …”

    _________________________________________________________________________________________________

    hmmm …… that’s not been my experience of ‘Trader John’.

    I’m still waiting for an answer to THIS question:

    “What role did John Key play in the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act, which resulted in the Derivatives Market being completely deregulated, thus leading to the Global Financial Crisis?”

    (The Glass Steagall Act was repealed in November 1999 – at the time that John Key was a Foreign Exchange Advisor for the New York Federal Reserve, and Head of Derivatives for Merrill Lynch.)

    Did John Roughan ask chatty, transparent John Key THAT question?

    If not – why not?

    (Sort of takes off the rosy glow, if the Prime Minister of your country helped to bring about the global financial meltdown?

    I’m sure our ‘Poodle of Wall St’ was, (and still is) VERY popular with the 1%, whose financial interests he was, (and, in my opinion, still is looking after, but ordinary Kiwi ‘mums and dads’?

    Give me a break ……

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

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  111. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    When I went to school the fucken braindead arseholes that ran the place were entitled to beat the shit out of little chaps with canes and large leather straps.

    I can’t see any bloody reason at all why this bloody long-haired poser shouldn’t be beaten within an inch of his life like I was…..mumble…mumble…etc! :)

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  112. mikenmild (10,720 comments) says:

    I think the point was, Johnboy, that the young chap had actually followed the rules for 2 years and the new principal made a dick of himself.

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  113. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Are you still living in your little flat Penny?

    Have you paid the water rates bill?

    If not I have a pig sty that may suit you! :)

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  114. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Sort of like what happened at HOB when the Marist Brothers took over milkey! :)

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  115. nasska (10,674 comments) says:

    ….” the findings of this idiot judge have ramifications that far exceed the issue of whether some little narcissistic dickwad has to cut his hair or not.”….

    What ramifications? Unless you think that the ability to march to a barber’s in lockstep then request short back & sides is more use to the nation than educated youth with cause to respect authority.

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  116. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    What’s the prediction for tomorrow milkey?

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  117. Nookin (3,035 comments) says:

    It is a shame, Penny, that NZ Herald did not publicise any of the Courts’ decisions. For those who missed the hearings, here are some extracts from the High Court decision

    “[3] On 7 November 2008 Judge Bouchier declined to authorise the issue of a
    summons, upon the ground that the information supplied by Ms Bright to the Court
    did not disclose the commission of an offence under s 228(b) of the Crimes Act
    1961, and that the action which Ms Bright proposed to take against Mr Key was
    therefore vexatious.”

    …………..”

    [8] However, it transpired that Ms Bright simply wished to appeal against Judge
    Bouchier’s decision. An informant has no right of appeal. The proceeding in this
    Court is therefore irretrievably flawed, and the appeal must be dismissed.

    [9] But because I have reached a clear view that Ms Bright is unlikely to succeed
    on an application for judicial review either, I propose to deal briefly with the
    substance of her appeal.

    …………………

    [18] That is the approach adopted by Judge Bouchier in the present case. She
    considered that Ms Bright had not prima facie established any of the four ingredients
    of an offence under s 228(b), namely that the accused :
    a) used, or attempted to use, any document;
    b) did so dishonestly;
    c) did so without claim of right;
    d) did so with intent to obtain a pecuniary advantage.

    ……………………………….

    [21] Likewise, it is difficult to see how Mr Key can be said to have been acting
    without claim of right. In his capacity as a Member of Parliament he was entitled
    ask questions of the appropriate Minister. He was also entitled, as is any citizen, to
    make a written request for information pursuant to the provisions of the Official
    Information Act. Mr Key’s requests were declined on the basis of commercial
    sensitivity, and there matters rested. It seems to me that Mr Key was simply
    exercising his legitimate rights. That was plainly the view to which Judge Bouchier
    came. Her decision is perfectly understandable.”

    Seems to me that this was a prosecution motivated by blind prejudice rather than anything else.

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  118. Redbaiter (7,619 comments) says:

    “Unless you think that the ability to march to a barber’s in lockstep then request short back & sides”

    Hopeless drongo.

    And some people claim pot has no harmful effects.

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  119. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    What I find fucking hard to believe is that we have folk crying out for justice, that have been waiting for years for a judgement, and silly little turds like this boy and his dad get fast tracked to the high court?

    The stupid little bastard should have just been told to get back to bloody school! :)

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  120. thedavincimode (6,532 comments) says:

    the findings of this idiot judge have ramifications that far exceed the issue of whether some little narcissistic dickwad has to cut his hair or not.

    I agree wholeheartedly. This judgement sends a clear signal that when parties enter into contractual arrangements, both parties should adhere to the terms of the bargain they strike and not be permitted to ride roughshod over the counter-party by incorrectly interpreting the terms of that contract.

    Only a complete fuckwit would think otherwise.

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  121. Redbaiter (7,619 comments) says:

    Or a pathological communist.

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  122. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    How the hell do shit case’s like this get fast tracked to the High Court?

    Is to do with the size of the lawyers fee?

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  123. nasska (10,674 comments) says:

    You’re leaving so many opportunities to advance your cause go unexplained tonight Baity.

    What ramifications & how do they affect your average day to day pathological communist?

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  124. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    You survived the 4.9 then yesterday nasska? :)

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  125. Redbaiter (7,619 comments) says:

    “You’re leaving so many opportunities to advance your cause go unexplained tonight”

    Ha ha.

    Thanks for the laugh.

    As if there’s any profit in attempting reason with trolls like you and TDVM.

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  126. thedavincimode (6,532 comments) says:

    .. or even a thoroughly hypocritical and malevolent old git who feigns chivalrous behaviour toward women when grovelling and snivelling to them, but reveals his true character yet again when making this gratuitously offensive remark to a woman who does nothing here other than put up GD:

    Redbaiter (7,266 comments) says:
    June 26th, 2014 at 5:45 pm

    Kokila got a boyfriend at last?

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  127. RRM (9,453 comments) says:

    The ramifications of this are HUGE….

    Why – if they think they can get away with growing their hair long… the next thing you know… they’ll be listening to that.. that rock-n-roll music.. and staying out late in their high-heeled boots… :cry:

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  128. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    You’re not the Minus Monster are you Red? :)

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  129. mikenmild (10,720 comments) says:

    HOB to win. Wainui to lose.

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  130. nasska (10,674 comments) says:

    Gave me a good shake JB…..there’s definitely a possibility of a taniwha lurking under the Alfredton airstrip. :)

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  131. thedavincimode (6,532 comments) says:

    Gave me a good shake JB

    :(

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  132. Redbaiter (7,619 comments) says:

    I’ve seen your numerous oafish attempts to criticise me for that comment Vassy.

    I’m generally not bothered by anything that ludicrous.

    But don’t let me stop you mentioning it again.

    Obsessive queer bastard.

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  133. nasska (10,674 comments) says:

    ….” that rock-n-roll music.. anr staying out late in their high-heeled boots”….

    No!!! Not that Mike! Next thing we’ll have VW microbuses full of hippys on the front lawn. :)

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  134. RRM (9,453 comments) says:

    Remember that time you called Lucia Maria ‘babe’ reddy?

    I was impressed!

    I think she’s married though.

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  135. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    I never realised there was a strip there nasska. I once put a PA28 down at Masterton and after taxiing back along the grass had to spend an hour cleaning out the air intake before I could take off again cause you rural folks are too fucking mean to put a mower over it on a regular basis! :)

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  136. nasska (10,674 comments) says:

    You’re sure then that making nasty gratuitous comments about someone just to boost your ego is okay Baity?

    After the pathetic bleating when Davinci or I climb into you that seems a little strange. :)

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  137. Redbaiter (7,619 comments) says:

    You’re just another couple of monotonous obsessives moron.

    Join the queue.

    Yawn.

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  138. nasska (10,674 comments) says:

    You picked the weekend when the lawnmower was broken & we couldn’t get enough sheep to graze the runway JB. :)

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  139. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Lucia is married to a Catholic RRM. Baity is quite entitled to call her ‘babe’ as long as he is a Protestant! :)

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  140. thedavincimode (6,532 comments) says:

    I’m generally not bothered by anything that ludicrous

    Russell, I didn’t think for one moment that you would be. I imagine that nobody else here did either.

    But it does rather reinforce the hypocrisy in your obsequious snivelling to Lucia and your frequent references to cowardly behaviour.

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  141. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Bollocks nasska. I had to buzz the runway twice to clear the sheep! :)

    When are you chaps getting your almost International Airport then? :)

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  142. RRM (9,453 comments) says:

    Who do you think would win in a fight – Baiter or this new ShawnLH guy?

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  143. nasska (10,674 comments) says:

    We can’t even get a plane to land on what we’ve got JB. Air NZ gave up on us & if we don’t subsidise Air Chathams to call in it will fall to Cobb & Co to make a comeback. :)

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  144. Redbaiter (7,619 comments) says:

    “frequent references to cowardly behaviour.”

    I say it as I see it.

    You’re a lying coward and its something you can never come back from.

    I know it doesn’t bother you.

    That’s what I mean by pathological communist.

    A mentality stripped completely of basic morality.

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  145. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Hell I don’t know about that milkey. The battle of the Catholics and the Ref’s called Nick Hogan! :)

    Could be anyones game! :)

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  146. thedavincimode (6,532 comments) says:

    Question 2 (1 mark)

    What do the following two statements tell you about the author?

    Kokila got a boyfriend at last?

    I say it as I see it.

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  147. nasska (10,674 comments) says:

    ….”this new ShawnLH guy?”….

    ….was in his previous incarnation on KB known as Lee01.

    They’re both as mad as cut snakes but I’d put my money on Baity. Over the past fourteen years he has viscously bored more people to death than any other blog commentator known. :)

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  148. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    I suspect that bb’s team will throw in the towel before they even get over the hill to William Jones! :)

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  149. thedavincimode (6,532 comments) says:

    RRM

    Pfft. You have to ask?

    ShawnLH might be a bit of a plonker but at least he understands conservatism and isn’t a totalitarian. I’ve found Shawn’s insights into conservatism very helpful. I’m contemplating switching from being a knuckle-dragging homo prog commie to conservatism.

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  150. mikenmild (10,720 comments) says:

    Wainui due to be dropped hard.

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  151. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Was that ‘vicious’ or ‘viscous’ boring that he did nasska? :)

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  152. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Are you voting for Colin then Leonardo? :)

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  153. Redbaiter (7,619 comments) says:

    “I’m contemplating switching from being a knuckle-dragging homo prog commie to conservatism.”

    I think, rather than pretend to be something you’re not, you should just stick with the lying coward persona. Its an excellent fit.

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  154. Viking2 (11,129 comments) says:

    CONCLUSION

    Native Affairs/Maori TV is a blatantly racist, political organ in support of Maori supremacy and the grievance industry.

    It offers nothing of educational value that would be of interest to the majority of New Zealanders and, as a special interest group’s propaganda outlet, should not be funded by the taxpayer.

    http://treatygate.wordpress.com/2014/06/27/martin-doutres-bsa-complaint-against-maori-tv-2/
    ++==================

    Long interesting read. how the pakeha was conned.

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  155. big bruv (13,292 comments) says:

    Johnboy

    Don’t you bloody bet on it mate!

    The mighty Ories are heading into bandit country and they are bringing their hunting licences.

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  156. thedavincimode (6,532 comments) says:

    JB

    That socialist? I don’t think so. People like commie Coly Wally are what’s wrong with this country.

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  157. Redbaiter (7,619 comments) says:

    “Over the past fourteen years he has viscously bored more people to death than any other blog commentator known.”

    Numerically speaking, I am at least two short of where I’d like to be.

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  158. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    You’ll be right when Clownliffe and Normanteria take over then nasska.

    It’ll be oxen trains through the tunnel and pedicycles over the Rimutaka’s! :)

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  159. TimG_Oz (917 comments) says:

    Wading through the typical crap before the weekend, but one comment caught my eye

    Ryan Sproull

    What do you think Palestinians should do when Israelis kidnap Palestinian teenagers, Elaycee? What kind of retaliation, I mean.

    So Ryan is equating arresting/detaining violent criminals who are hardened jihadists, with kidnapping innocent children.
    This is possibly the most disgusting piece of crap – I guess in his mind Charles Manson has also been kidnapped.

    Grow up Ryan, and stop being an apologist for Terror. Hamas is using both its own children and Israel’s children as pawns in it’s ongoing war of hatred. And you are supporting them.

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  160. thedavincimode (6,532 comments) says:

    I think, rather than pretend to be something you’re not, you should just stick with the lying coward persona. Its an excellent fit.

    I realise that you believe in sticking with what comes naturally Walter:

    Kokila got a boyfriend at last?

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  161. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    We generally carry machete’s, slasher’s and chainsaw’s over here and keep the shotties in the boot just in case things get really serious bb.

    Just so you know. :)

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  162. Redbaiter (7,619 comments) says:

    “It offers nothing of educational value that would be of interest to the majority of New Zealanders and, as a special interest group’s propaganda outlet, should not be funded by the taxpayer.”

    It wouldn’t be if we had a PM with a bit of conviction.

    Just another big talker who easily betrays the policies he said were important to him before the election.

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  163. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    He only had one policy Red. It was to be PM for two terms. Now three or four.

    I much prefer him to the alternatives! :)

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  164. Viking2 (11,129 comments) says:

    Johnboy go here for look at your home town.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=653885981366343&set=pcb.653886791366262&type=1&theater

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  165. Redbaiter (7,619 comments) says:

    ” You’re not the Minus Monster are you Red? ”

    Seriously hurt to think you might suspect that JB.

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  166. Reid (15,947 comments) says:

    He only had one policy Red.

    Too bad it wasn’t: “do the right thing even if it’s not going to be popular.”

    That would have turned him from “good to many” declining into “great to a few,” but growing as each year passes.

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  167. wreck1080 (3,730 comments) says:

    I see john key is raising the tax on petrol

    Nice one John.

    He has planned for another increase after this one too.

    Surely our ‘rockstar’ economy is bringing in enough cash.

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  168. ShawnLH (3,396 comments) says:

    “Baiter or this new ShawnLH guy?”

    Me. And I’m not new.

    Or a “plonker” ;)

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  169. nasska (10,674 comments) says:

    It started out innocently enough.
    I began to think at parties now and then to loosen up. Inevitably
    though, one thought led to another, and soon I was more than just a social thinker. I began to think alone — “to relax,” I told myself– but I knew it wasn’t true. Thinking became more and more important to me, and finally I was
    thinking all the time.
    I began to think on the job. I knew that thinking and employment don’t mix, but I couldn’t stop myself. I began to avoid friends at lunchtime so I could read Thoreau and Kafka.
    I would return to the office dizzied and confused, asking, “What is it
    exactly we are doing here?” Things weren’t going so great at home either. One evening I had turned off the TV and asked my wife about the meaning of life. She spent the night
    at her mother’s. I soon had a reputation as a heavy thinker. One day the boss called me in.
    He said, “Skippy, I like you, and it hurts me to say this, but your thinking, stop thinking on the job, or you’ll have to find another job.”
    This gave me a lot to think about. I came home early after my conversation with the boss. “Honey,” I confessed, “I’ve been thinking…”
    “I know you’ve been thinking,” she said, “and I want a divorce!”
    “But Honey, surely it’s not that serious.” “It is serious,” she said, lower lip quivering. “You think as much as university professors, and they don’t make any money, so if you keep on thinking we won’t have any money!” “That’s a faulty syllogism,” I said impatiently, and she began to cry. I’d had enough. “I’m going to the library,” I snarled as I stomped out
    the door.
    I headed for the library, in the mood for some Nietzsche, with NPR on
    the radio. I roared into the parking lot and ran up to the big glass doors …they
    didn’t open. The library was closed.
    To this day, I believe that a Higher Power was looking out for me that
    night. As I sank to the ground clawing at the unfeeling glass,
    whimpering for Zarathustra, a poster caught my eye. “Friend, is heavy thinking ruining your life?” it asked.

    You probably recognize that line. It comes from the standard Thinker’s
    Anonymous poster. Which is why I am what I am today: a recovering
    thinker. I never miss a TA meeting.

    At each meeting we watch a non-educational video; last week it
    was”Porky’s.”Then we share experiences about how we avoided thinking since the last meeting.
    I still have my job, and things are a lot better at home.
    Life just seemed … easier, somehow, once I stopped thinking. And soon — I will be able to vote for the NZ Conservatives.

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