General Debate 6 June 2014

June 6th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    How about a bit of positivity to kick-off ?

    NZ Inc cranks out around 1.3 billion kg of milk solids annually.

    I think that’s quite impressive. About eighth in the world. Well done NZ.

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  2. Colville (2,069 comments) says:

    LR & C…

    What a shit stir topic to start the day :-)

    Think of the nitrates!… think of the methane! think of the streams! oh wont someone think of the children!

    (and you are not allowed to bang bobby calves on the head anymore!)

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  3. flipper (3,538 comments) says:

    The following by C Slater is a delightful summation of a considerable injustice visited upon a real New Zealander.

    I do not know (and have not met) the German. I do not know and have not met his “estranged”(?) wife.
    I know J Banks well, and I have met his wife, Amanda.
    Unlike a certain High Court Judge, I knows who really is/are believable.
    It is most certainly NOT a German who has publicly declared his intention of “evening the score” with J Key.
    That he has been a wider license (by having a High Court judge describe him as credible) to continue his campaign against J Key and National, and to fight extradition, is in MHO a travesty.
    However… over to Lewis Carroll and C Slater:

    People talk about how vengeful a woman scorned can be but honestly they have nothing on Dotcom. When the man demands you get him a mattress you’d better damn well get him a mattress!
    Hat tip :Lewis Carroll and the poem the Jabberwocky 1872
    ‘Twas Election year, and the slithy toves
    Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
    All mimsy were the journalists,
    And the Whaleoil Blogs outgrabe.

    “Beware the Kim Dot Com, my son!
    The lies that bite, the donations that catch!
    Beware the McCready bird, and shun
    The Hone Harre Bandersnatch!”

    He took his voting paper in hand:
    Long time the manxome foe he sought –
    So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
    And stood awhile in thought.
    And, as in uffish thought he stood,
    The Kim Dot Com, with eyes of flame,
    Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
    And tweeted as it came!

    One, two! One, two! And through and through
    His pen on paper went snicker-snack!
    He left it dead, and with its head
    He went galumphing back.

    “And, has thou slain the Kim Dot Com?
    Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
    O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!’
    He chortled in his joy.

    ‘Twas Election year, and the slithy toves
    Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
    All mimsy were the journalists,
    And the Whaleoil Blogs outgrabe.

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  4. Colville (2,069 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/10125241/Mexted-finally-pushes-beach-plan-past-rivals

    A great example of the fucking RMA gone mad. 6 years to get a simple 6 Lot subdivision thru.
    Incorparates society lodges vexatious appeal with no assets and no hope of cost recovery.

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  5. Southern man (4 comments) says:

    Where is the MSM on the recent Roy Morgan Poll?

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  6. dishy (224 comments) says:

    Southern Man – nothing at all from Craggy Gower on the TV3 news last night, because the poll gave him nothing to willingly grandstand over. It wasn’t long ago that he used a poll to excitedly tell us all that Winston will be king maker. He needs to calm down and grow up.

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  7. flipper (3,538 comments) says:

    Southern man (4 comments) says:

    June 6th, 2014 at 8:15 am

    Where is the MSM on the recent Roy Morgan Poll?
    ****

    Morgan is whores drawers…. it is Nats Lab, Nats, lab…and so on….
    Except this time it is Nats up again….and up the creek for labour and the green apes.

    Why don’t the MSM mention this poll? It does not fit their story line.
    So much for their pious pontificating on politics.

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  8. Komata (1,109 comments) says:

    SM

    Silent, old chap, silent; it doesn’t fit the narrative.

    Now if it was labour et al increasing, even slightly, you wouldn’t hear the end of it.

    Unbiased media? Me thinks not….

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  9. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Take a look at the APN Wanganui Chronicle, it has three leads, all with pics of “Tojo” Cunliffe. I wonder what will happen when the German criminal calls him for help to repay past favours or donations?
    Is it any wonder Banks was found guilty, the judge being an appointee of Michael Cullen, who Banks once called a poofter, that being a compliment. Cullen is vindictive, with contacts, just look at Kiwirail!

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  10. Keeping Stock (10,095 comments) says:

    There will be thousands of words written about John Banks over the next few days. But herald cartoonist Rod Emmerson only needed one word to make a very clever statement:

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/06/emmerson-on-banks.html

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  11. lilman (885 comments) says:

    Must admit these poll numbers are pretty stunning.
    I hope they are correct,all the polls show a slow but steady increase in support for the Government.
    One wonders how long the Leader of the labour party can hang on.

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  12. Ross12 (1,147 comments) says:

    Been listening to the radio this morning and all reports are saying ACT will continue to stand behind banks. Turn on the computer and see this headline on Yahoo News

    ” ACT distances itself from Banks following guilty verdict”

    I think journalists need to take a long hard look at their so called profession.

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  13. itstricky (1,543 comments) says:

    Igm you have a conspiracy side as well! How wonderful! Here, next one’s on me: he’s a poofter left wing maggot bottom dweller lizard man illuminati who kidnapped flight MH370.

    PS. Since when was calling anyone a pooftrrrr…. Acceptable? Is your hero Banksie religious by any chance?

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  14. kowtow (7,591 comments) says:

    Journalists eek out a living sucking off the lives and losses of pollies while pollies live very well sucking off the taxpayer.

    A curse on both their houses.

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  15. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/files/sound/jack-ingham.mp3

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  16. Grant (426 comments) says:

    Well, dotcom seems to have taken Banks’ guilty status as license to fill the airwaves, and the internet, with his mewlings and for those who don’t go on twitter here’s a couple of samples:

    “Do you wonder why John Key is still defending John Banks? Even after the guilty verdict? JOHN BANKS KNOWS TOO MUCH.

    and

    “John Banks: Guilty – Still in Parliament. Kim Dotcom: Pre-Trial – Business destroyed. Family destroyed. Assets frozen. Can’t travel.”

    I think he is under the impression that because our legal system and some of our politicians are so soft, then the general populace at large is as well, and that he can swagger about as much as he likes and that kiwis of all stripes will fall at his feet in a similar fashion to the way Banks, Norman, Peters, Adern, Bradbury, Fisher, Campbell, et al have.

    Long may he labour under that delusion

    G

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  17. eszett (2,332 comments) says:

    Good editorial in the Herald today.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11268513

    The provision for parties winning a single electorate to be awarded proportional seats too arose from the designers’ concern that a nationwide vote of 5 per cent was a high threshhold. If the provision is to be abolished, the threshhold should be lowered, as Labour proposes, to 4 per cent.

    Labour has challenged National to support this change in a member’s bill before the present Parliament. Having seen the Internet-Mana manipulation of the system, National should reconsider its position. It can probably ignore David Cunliffe’s promise to introduce a Government bill within 100 days of taking office. A Labour-Green-Mana-Internet coalition would be unlikely to give him enough votes. But it normally pays to do the right thing.

    If National had done so after its MMP review, Mr Dotcom would not be able to manipulate our electoral system now.

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  18. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Is it true that journalist unionists financed McCready’s whole trip and costs? There has evidently been whip-arounds in the Fairfax newsroom and if this is true, it stinks. No wonder we can’t get any answers over the young boy being molested at a Labour Party function . . . there were a number of journalists at this gathering, no doubt!

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  19. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    This headline.

    ACT Party stands behind Banks

    https://nz.news.yahoo.com/election/a/-/24174932/act-party-stands-behind-banks/

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  20. ross411 (220 comments) says:

    Ross12 (1,036 comments) says:
    June 6th, 2014 at 8:33 am
    Been listening to the radio this morning and all reports are saying ACT will continue to stand behind banks. Turn on the computer and see this headline on Yahoo News

    ” ACT distances itself from Banks following guilty verdict”

    I think journalists need to take a long hard look at their so called profession.

    They spent a lot of time with their heads down studying at the “school of make shit up”. How dare you question them? Judith Collins called one out as asking for a favour and questioned them, and they turned on her. Your turn is next capitalist pig-dog.

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  21. Komata (1,109 comments) says:

    Cha

    Many thanks: ‘Lest we forget’.

    And in case anyone doesn’t know what was being referred-to, today (6 June 2014) is the 70th Anniversary of the D-Day landings. These took place on the English Channel side France, when the Allies (yes, including New Zealand, as part of the then ‘British Empire’), returned to Europe and started the process which led to the eventual destruction of the Nazi / German military machine and the end of WWII on that continent.

    Such events can tend to be forgotten…

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  22. kowtow (7,591 comments) says:

    Before farting around with the threshold they should bin the race based seats as was originally intended with MMP.

    But of course our gutless pollies and the leftist media will never have it.

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  23. Komata (1,109 comments) says:

    ross411

    Ummmm: Shouldn’t that be ‘Capitalist RUNNING dog’?

    It sounded SOO much better when Mao said it…

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  24. bringbackdemocracy (392 comments) says:

    The Bank’s saga really shows up the Police who refused to press charges.
    Just like they did in 2005 with Clark taking over $800,000 of tax-payer money and over-spending by $400,000
    Just like they did with Winston in 2005 and the $158,000
    Just like they did with Cunliffe and his breach of the electoral act in the Christchurch East bi-election.

    They should do the job they are paid to do.

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  25. Ross12 (1,147 comments) says:

    Cha @8.52am

    That is interesting –the Yahoo news guys can’t make up their minds. Although I note your link was to an article written last night.

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  26. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    Oh dear.

    http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/mnr/mnr-20140606-0712-act_leader_surprised_by_banks_verdict-048.mp3

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  27. Komata (1,109 comments) says:

    bbd

    Re: ‘They should do the job they are paid to do’.

    Sadly, ‘The Police’ are only able to do what their legal team says they can do, and if their legal people say it can’t be done, or shouldn’t be done because New Zealand Law is not ‘solid enough’ to result in an ‘expected outcome’ (aka ‘a conviction’), then it can’t be done. At least at the moment, they are subject to NZ law (imperfect though it may be), and as such must abide by it. (and no, this is not the start of a discussion about the appropriateness of the actions of certain individual Police officers; others have already done that – repeatedly)

    BTW: ‘The Police’ is a very wide ranging term and AFAIK the ordinary copper on the beat (or in his/her car) is more concerned with the real world of catching criminals than the finer points of ‘Corporate-type’ law, which is what you are alluding-to. He / she tends to leave this the their bosses in Wellington; the ones who ultimately make the decisions (on the basis of the previously-mentioned ‘top legal advice’) about what can or cannot be done.

    If the lawyers say ‘No’ then there is really no point in proceeding (despite what some politician might demand or try to ‘assist’ to suit their own personal agenda’s) . . .

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  28. wreck1080 (3,726 comments) says:

    So much against this….

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11268428

    Residents’ groups lobby Auckland Council to ban outsiders leaving their vehicles all day in inner-city streets

    These guys now think they own the street too.

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  29. Andrei (2,499 comments) says:

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  30. stephieboy (2,157 comments) says:

    Fletch (5,832 comments) says:
    June 5th, 2014 at 3:53 pm
    I still don’t believe the long form birth certificate that Obama released is the real deal. It had been cobbled together in Adobe Illustrator, for sure. If they’d just released a .jpg, maybe people would have considered it, but the PDF with multiple layers with editable sections being able to be turned on and off – I don’t believe it, to be honest.

    Whether or not that makes him eligible or ineligible is a point of debate. The real question is why release such an obvious fake? And why hide documents to do with his past – including school and college records, etc etc? The guy paid a lot of money to hide his past – the real question is why?

    Vote: 5 2

    “What a fool believes, no wise man has the power to reason away.”

    “Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.”

    Proverbs 26 4

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  31. stephieboy (2,157 comments) says:

    Andrei. which Propaganda agency was responsible for your video.??

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  32. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Council offered $75m for car park

    Auckland Council has been offered $75 million by two businessmen keen to snap up one of its inner city car park buildings.

    James Brown and Simon Rowntree, who run Tournament Parking, said their offer for the multilevel 890-space Downtown building on Customs Street would give the council funds to fast track rail-link plans without having to consider selling two other high profile CBD sites

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/10126538/Council-offered-75m-for-car-park

    This is the answer for Lens train set. Won’t it look curious if council turns this offer down!

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  33. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Methinks Stephieboy has overtaken me in the unpopularity ranks. Not aware of where we are on the scale but I definitely feel in a comfort zone compared to our boy.

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  34. Paulus (2,496 comments) says:

    How sad it is to hear Suzi somebody on RNZ this morning. She was appointed with great hope of here is the new interviewer.
    How sad it is to hear her recently trying to shout down the people she is trying to interview – she is now only interested in interviewing herself and constantly interrupting.
    She tried to shout down Richard Prebble this morning, who politely told her to shut up and listen to the answer to the question she put to him.
    I have talked to others and we all agree that she is trying to be the object of the show, and not an interviewer.
    She should learn to listen.
    From a very good beginning she is behaving like a harridan. Perhaps she is only doing what her producers tell her to do.
    As for squeaky Guyon he was whimpering to Cunliffe – but no great fear he was bumbling his lines to.
    His answers to the simmerer was not legible. Must have been too early in Cunliffe’s day.
    Of course both Guyon and Cunners voices were incoherently sqeaky – perhaps Linda Clarke could put some bromide in his tea.

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  35. Manolo (13,339 comments) says:

    Stephieboy will be heartbroken: http://theweek.com/speedreads/index/262706/speedreads-obama-is-less-competent-than-george-bush-say-a-plurality-of-americans#axzz33o6ZBvft

    Obama is less competent than George Bush, say a plurality of Americans

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  36. dishy (224 comments) says:

    I see that that little Green creep Hughes is claiming that National is “propped up by a criminal”. Cunliffe is saying much the same thing, although using the term “corrupt” rather than “criminal”. So they’d presumably have no place for the IMP in any coalition (Dotcom himself being a corrupt criminal).

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/election-2014-impact-banks-verdict-rh-p-157296

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  37. stephieboy (2,157 comments) says:

    wikii, perhaps unlike you I don’t regard posting here as a popularity contest especially in respect of the response to Fletch. I suspect that the red ticks are from local birthers and Conservative party supporters.
    I’d expect no less from them.!

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  38. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Over 300 miners’ jobs at risk

    More than 300 workers at Solid Energy’s Stockton coalmine face losing their jobs.

    Solid Energy said yesterday it would put a “change proposal” to workers today at the state-owned coalmine, 35 kilometres north of Westport, today. Community leaders also confirm they had been told staff will have to go.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/10126428/Over-300-miners-jobs-at-risk

    More evidence of the manufacturing crisis. Capitalism works when corporates aren’t monopolising.

    Unfortunately capitalism gets the blame for the fascist corporate encroaching sector.

    More unfortunately, public bias isn’t sophisticated enough to know the difference between the factions.

    Or indeed, the assault on capitalism is not ignorance but pure vandalism

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  39. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “wikii, perhaps unlike you I don’t regard posting here as a popularity contest especially in respect of the response to Fletch.”

    Two planes, three buildings.

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  40. stephieboy (2,157 comments) says:

    Manolo,

    Note the poll was run by guess who. ?,

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2014/06/04/fox-news-polls-bergdahl-release-obama-leadership-and-veterans-health-care/

    It would be interesting to see how Fox framed the question for their poll. Fox , like you, are not exactly rabid Obama supporters.

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  41. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Obama’s rabid supporters are J P Morgan, Goldman Sachs and the Federal Reserve because they own him.

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  42. Pete George (22,781 comments) says:

    This is an interesting policy move by the Greens.

    The Green Party will decriminalise abortion and assert the right of women to make decisions regarding their own health and the wellbeing of their family or whanau.

    Abortion is currently a crime under the Crimes Act. It is only legal if two consultants agree that the pregnancy would seriously harm the woman’s mental or physical health or that the fetus would have a serious disability.

    “The Green Party trusts women to make decisions that are best for them and their whānau/family,” Green Party women’s spokesperson Jan Logie said.

    “The Green Party believes the time has come for New Zealand to take an honest approach to abortion, to treat it as the health issue it is, and remove it from the crime statutes.

    “The fact that 99 percent of abortions are approved on ‘mental health’ grounds and that rape is not grounds for an abortion reveals the dishonesty of the current legal situation.

    “By keeping abortion a crime, New Zealand has created an unnecessary stigma around abortion that has led to delays, erratic access to terminations depending on where you are in the country, and unnecessarily late terminations.

    “Decriminalisation will reduce the stigma and judgement that surrounds abortion, and enable abortions to be performed earlier in pregnancy, which is safer for women.

    “The Green Party’s policy would allow terminations after 20 weeks gestation only when the woman would otherwise face serious permanent injury to her health or in the case of severe fetal abnormalities

    “Our policy will ensure that women have access to neutral counselling, if they want it, and that women who choose to continue with their pregnancy are given more support and are not financially penalised for doing so.

    “We would also ensure parents are fully informed about the support available for families and people living with disabilities and address discrimination against disabled people that exists in the current laws around abortion,” Ms Logie said.

    Brave move. It may be a challenge getting either of the other large parties to support them on this, there’s been a tendency to ignore the fudging of the current law,

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  43. Komata (1,109 comments) says:

    PG

    Not surprising really, and totally within their avowed (but not widely disclosed) intention to ‘limit human population’ to ‘sustainable’ limits so that gaia won’t be ‘affected’ (my paraphrase).

    Socialists, control, ‘mass murder’ = situation normal. Mao and Stalin come to mind (unfortunately); at least we now know.

    The MSM will of course ignore it.

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  44. Pete George (22,781 comments) says:

    Komata – I think this is simply an attempt to bring the law up to date with what is practiced. It should affect the human population in New Zealand little if at all.

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  45. RightNow (6,647 comments) says:

    Now that John Banks has fronted up in court I very much look forward to Kim Schmitz having his turn.

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  46. Redbaiter (7,560 comments) says:

    Typical progs, get all emotional over the myth of “stealing a dead baby’s identity” but don’t give a damn about killing babies in the womb.

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  47. Nigel Kearney (864 comments) says:

    Trading Private Bergdahl:

    http://twitter.com/MADmagazine/status/473898497021063168/photo/1

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  48. Ross12 (1,147 comments) says:

    I expected a lot of rubbish after the Banks verdict but this “takes the cake”

    https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/24180356/banks-verdict-chance-to-walk-away-from-charter-schools/

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  49. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Police reveal new speed camera sites
    11:06 AM Friday Jun 6, 2014

    Out with the old, in with the new.

    Police have revealed the first 12 sites earmarked for the first new fixed speed cameras.

    Six locations in Auckland and six in Wellington will receive the new digital cameras first, with a total of 56 cameras to be installed by the end of next year at a cost of $10 million.

    Placement of the cameras will be an open process. The site selections are based on robust scientific evidence, and no other reason,” Mr Cliff said.

    We have consulted with people in those communities directly affected by placement of the cameras, who were all resoundingly supportive of having them in their neighbourhoods to improve road safety,” Mr Cliff said.

    NZ Transport Agency road safety director Ernst Zollner said effective speed management was an essential part of creating a safer transport system because speed directly affected both crash probability and crash severity.

    In some high-risk situations where other road safety measures could not be applied, speed cameras would be the most effective crash deterrent, he said.

    Location of first 12 new sites for fixed speed cameras

    *Indicates existing

    State Highway, Ngauranga*
    Wainuiomata Road, Wainuiomata
    Whitford Brown Avenue, Aotea
    State Highway 1, Thorndon*
    Wainui Road, Waiwhetu
    Hutt Road, Korokoro
    Great South Road, Otahuhu*
    Mill Road, Totara Park
    Murphys Drive, Totara Park
    Tamaki Drive, Parnell
    Candia Road, Henderson Valley
    Great North Road, Kelston*

    ===================================
    So they claim the locations are a result of scientific study vis a vis accident and death rates etc.

    How about they be transparent with that science and publish it for all to see.
    Certainly these look like roads of higher speeds rather than roads of many and fatal accidents.
    If they think that’s wrong lets see the evidence.
    After all we paid for this to be produced. We the road user.

    Until we see the evidence and can attest to its robust nature then its just the police dept. looking to collect funds. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Probably it will take someone doing an OIR to get the info.
    Can’t imagine the either Transit or the Police releasing that detail for scrutiny.

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  50. Pete George (22,781 comments) says:

    Ross12 – scrapping charter schools is a fair call. All legislation that was passed due to Banks’ vote should be undone. That will include the MOM asset sales. Three strikes should also be scrapped, and overseas perks should be encouraged.

    That will encourage more petty attacks on vulnerable MPs because the rewards are worth it. Until sticking the boot in is is on the other foot.

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  51. Pete George (22,781 comments) says:

    @mcquillanatorz

    David Cunliffe’s not commenting on the Greens’ abortion policy, leaving it to Labour members. Judith Collins says current system works well.

    Not surprising to see Cunliffe avoiding committing to anything on it.

    The current system may “work well” but it’s a shameful sham.

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  52. Pete George (22,781 comments) says:

    @mizjwilliams

    During last yr’s leadership race, @DavidCunliffeMP said abortion law needs urgent review, should go to Law Comm. Does he still think that?

    Looks like we may not find out.

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  53. stephieboy (2,157 comments) says:

    Nigel Kearney, Trading Private Bergdahl etc,

    It will be interesting when the private gets the chance to give his side of the story as Fox News, WND, far right blog sphere et etc act as Judge , Jury and Executioner.
    BTW its important to note that this is not the first time that US administrations have conducted negotiations for POW releases with Terrorists. It was not an uncommon event in either Afghanistan and Iraq often making highly distasteful swaps with extremist Terrorist Shia and Sunni groups.

    Note also how Israel negotiated the swap for one of their soldiers held captive for five years for 1,027 Palestinian prisoners in 2011. Lopsided deals like this are common in Israel.,

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/06/05/israels-prisoner-swaps-have-been-far-more-lopsided-than-obamas-bergdahl-deal/

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  54. Colville (2,069 comments) says:

    I hope Cun*liffe campaigns for abortion on demand. Conservatives instantly to around 10%.

    In fact Key should double dare him to do it :-)

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  55. stephieboy (2,157 comments) says:

    Colville why would Cun*liffe commit political hari kari in that way.His views on abortion would be no different to John Key ‘s Your pejorative reference to him is interesting given the Conservatives attract apparently the fundie “Christian “vote.

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  56. Pete George (22,781 comments) says:

    Cunliffe’s opinion on abortion (during last year’s leadership contest):

    Cunliffe: I want to see a woman’s right to choose protected. The current law hasn’t been reviewed for many years and I think that is now urgent. The Law Commission would be best placed to undertake this review as it is a conscience issue which splits across parties.

    http://yournz.org/2014/06/06/reactions-on-green-abortion-policy/

    That sounds like he supports the right to choose but wants others to make the call.

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  57. srylands (386 comments) says:

    https://www.labour.org.nz/media/kiwis-old-and-new-get-fair-go-community-learning

    A Labour Government will ensure all Kiwis can access Adult and Community Education courses by restoring National’s devastating funding cuts, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says.

    “Labour will provide funding of $13 million in the first two years and a further $9 million in the following years for this important area of education. We will also provide $1 million a year for English for Speakers of Other Languages (ESOL) courses.
    _________

    I wonder if anyone has kept a tally of the fiscal cost of Labour and Green policies. Of course at the same time as promising a long list of new spending, Labour accuses the Government of poor fiscal management pointing to the growth in Crown debt since 2008. Caused by “tax cuts for the rich”.

    It is sickening stuff.

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  58. SGA (804 comments) says:

    Pete George at 1:28 pm

    That sounds like he supports the right to choose but wants others to make the call.

    To be fair, I find it hard to see the leader of a mainstream party acting much different (irrespective of their personal view on the topic).

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  59. TheContrarian (1,073 comments) says:

    “Two planes, three buildings.”

    Actually about 5 or 6 buildings fell in 9/11, in and around the WTC area. Not sure why…errr..’truthers’ seem focused on WTC7 when it was just one of many buildings which fell

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  60. Pete George (22,781 comments) says:

    Greens are kicking Labour’s butt on policy release.

    While Cunliffe dog-whistled and wavered on immigration Greens released policy (worth considering and debating) on Carbon Tax.

    Labour want to reinstate hobby classes while Greens propose an overdue sorting out of our sham abortion law/practices.

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  61. Manolo (13,339 comments) says:

    For Stephie’s pleasure. The Labourite and feminist will be drooling: http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Speculation-Builds-on-Michelle-Obama-Senate-Run-262032821.html

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  62. Nukuleka (202 comments) says:

    I find it extraordinary that folk who see the life of a whale as being somehow sacred and who protest any time some little known slug is threatened by extinction have no concern whatsoever about destroying human life when at its most vulnerable- in the mother’s womb. The female womb must these days be the most dangerous environment for any human being!

    The Greens are wholesale hypocrites with their avowed pro-death policy on abortion.

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  63. Odakyu-sen (440 comments) says:

    “Police reveal new speed camera sites”

    What are the police doing selecting the sites for speed cameras? It should be left to some advisory body with no interest in maximizing fines and every interest in minimizing deaths and injuries.

    Who should such a group be? How about St. John’s?

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  64. Redbaiter (7,560 comments) says:

    Viking2- the bureaucrats who have introduced speed cameras should face prosecution or at least the sack for a plain and simple contravention of the NZ Bill of Rights in particular Section 25 (d) which is the right not to be compelled to incriminate yourself.

    Given these tickets issued ask you to admit too your own guilt by identifying yourself as the car driver, they clearly breach this section of the BOR.

    If we had politicians worth more than a pinch of goat shit and who were interested in protecting our traditional rights and liberties, then speed cameras would not be used in this country.

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  65. mikenmild (10,630 comments) says:

    Reddy would make a good barrack-room lawyer.

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  66. mikenmild (10,630 comments) says:

    Perhaps he will deliberately incur a speed-camera ticket to give him the opportunity of taking this fight for vital freedoms to the courts.

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  67. kowtow (7,591 comments) says:

    milky

    “Reddy would make a good barrack-room lawyer”

    And WTF do you make ,apart from dip shit snide lefty crap all day long?

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  68. mikenmild (10,630 comments) says:

    I bake a mean cake.

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  69. Komata (1,109 comments) says:

    MM: in response to your last post:

    Therefore, (and by your own words BTW) you not only ‘work’ for the government, but you also use your employers’ supplies to your own ends, and (again by your own words), you do it during company time.

    I thought that theft was a ‘Dismissal’ offence in Government departments??

    Or does the PSA protect you?

    Just wondering (as I said, based on your own words)

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  70. nasska (10,632 comments) says:

    Given that mikenmild is a public servant we should be encouraging him to comment here….in fact we should extend an invitation to his entire department to join in.

    After all the time spent on KB would otherwise be used in confusing our already bewildered politicians. Alternatively it would be spent dreaming up new regulations or designing a new form for the rest of us to fill out.

    We’re far better off with things as they are now. :)

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  71. OneTrack (2,581 comments) says:

    Pete – ““The Green Party trusts women to make decisions that are best for them and their whānau/family,” Green Party women’s spokesperson Jan Logie said.””

    Until 20 weeks. Then they don’t trust them.

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  72. mikenmild (10,630 comments) says:

    Komata
    Thank you for your interest. My employer has a policy, like many organisations, on internet usage. So far as I am aware, I am in compliance with that policy.
    nasska
    That’s a kind thought.

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  73. Komata (1,109 comments) says:

    MM

    Thank you

    But do they also have a policy about (your words) ‘baking a mean cake’ while ‘on the job’ and ‘on site’?

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  74. Fletch (6,010 comments) says:

    Whitehat Aviator, the most secure and private web browser, now available for Windows (and Mac).

    https://www.whitehatsec.com/aviator/

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  75. nasska (10,632 comments) says:

    Have you downloaded it & used it yourself Fletch?

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  76. Longknives (4,414 comments) says:

    This is amazing..

    http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/ng-interactive/2014/jun/01/d-day-landings-scenes-in-1944-and-now-interactive

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  77. Fletch (6,010 comments) says:

    Have you downloaded it & used it yourself Fletch?

    nasska, yes I just did.
    It’s based on Chromium, and feels like you’re using the Chrome browser. It doesn’t save any cookies etc, and has Disconnect bundled by default.

    btw, today has been nominated Reset The Net day in the U.S, as Edward Snowden’s first revelation came 1 year ago today, so privacy and apps to protect privacy are being pushed.

    https://www.resetthenet.org/
    https://disconnect.me/privacypicks/d2

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  78. nasska (10,632 comments) says:

    The Hutt Valley resident was inconsolable after his State house burnt to the ground.

    “Everything,” he sobbed, “everything I ever stole was in that house.”

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  79. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    Don’t you go picking on HV folks nasska. See we are getting upgraded to two new speed cameras in Wainui instead of one.

    I put that down to the Police realising that Wainui folk are superior at tuning up Evo’s and WRX’s! :)

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  80. Nostradamus (2,938 comments) says:

    Johnboy:

    You seem to be a bit confused.

    The speed cameras are only for drivers going towards Wainui. Drivers leaving Wainui won’t be subject to any speed limit and, in fact, are encouraged to drive away as fast as possible! In fact, the second speed camera is there for drivers who don’t drive away fast enough!

    Edit: clearly the thumbs down is from a Wainui resident who has no sense of humour! :)

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  81. nasska (10,632 comments) says:

    Saw that JB….years ago you lot over in the Valley of Death were bad buggers & fast movers. We played darts at the Wainui Flying Jug Alehouse once & at times the burn outs in the carpark threatened the safety of the inter gang brawlers.

    At a rough guess it would have taken the Armed Offenders Squad, all the MoT & a the commando unit of the SAS to restore order.

    Alas, now all it takes is a couple of speed cameras. :)

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  82. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    Ah! The Slashers Arms nasska. What a pub it was in those days. Used to be shut on Sundays though.

    Taught the daughter’s to drive in the carpark Sundays! :)

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  83. nasska (10,632 comments) says:

    ….”. Used to be shut on Sundays though. “…..

    I bet it was like an armistice JB. Tend to the wounded, bury the dead & get some empties for ammo. :)

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  84. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    Old Minus is still obsessed with me I see! :)

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  85. publicwatchdog (2,096 comments) says:

    igm (1,180 comments) says:
    June 6th, 2014 at 8:50 am
    Is it true that journalist unionists financed McCready’s whole trip and costs? There has evidently been whip-arounds in the Fairfax newsroom and if this is true, it stinks. No wonder we can’t get any answers over the young boy being molested at a Labour Party function . . . there were a number of journalists at this gathering, no doubt!

    ___________________________________________________________________________________________________

    This is TOTAL BULLSH*T!

    Graham McCready now lives in Auckland.

    Before he lived in Auckland – he usually stayed at my home.

    It seems there is a bit of a campaign on to try and discredit Graham McCready by spreading unsubstantiated allegations – such as yours ‘igm’ …..

    In any event it’s a bit late.

    John Banks has been found guilty of electoral fraud (a form of corrupt practice), and I predict he’ll resign on Monday 9 June 2014.

    So far – it appears that my predictions on matters pertaining to this John Banks case have proven to be a lot more accurate than a number of so-called legal experts and political commentators.

    (I predicted that this case would be committed to trial, that Banks would be found guilty/convicted, and that Justice Wylie would have a decision within 2 weeks….)

    Penny Bright

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  86. Slapparoo (1 comment) says:

    It says they the Community was consulted for the locations of the speed cameras, I live in Wainui and no-one consulted me if I want a speed camera.

    Also on a serious note if the Police were serious about safety (Which there are not – and there is plenty of evidence to back this up) they would put the speed camera on the hill as this is where people speed and that is where accidents happen.

    This is merely taxation through stealth – rather than raise taxes – so people have visibility of what the government revenue is they raise money through covert methods like speed cameras where no safety issues exist, raising fees, increasing ACC levies, higher tax on alcohol, higher tax on cigarettes, higher tax on fuel.

    John Key and his government are is nothing more than money grubbers.

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