Hide on Internet Mana

June 15th, 2014 at 7:42 am by David Farrar

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I used to think politics was all about achieving good government. That proved invariably disappointing. These days, politics is no longer my responsibility. I’m happy if it just proves interesting.

That’s why I am for the Internet-Mana Party. They’re the best entertainment in years. If they were a parody they would be too improbable to be believed.

Maori nationalist Hone Harawira calls Pakeha the rudest of names and the wrong colour to date his daughter. But he’s jumped into bed with whiter-than-white Kim Dotcom.

Harawira trumpets Mana and His People but that’s not stopping him using his electorate to coat-tail Dotcom’s party into Parliament. His price? $3 million.

It’s easy to accuse Harawira of hypocrisy but he has a ready reply: it’s a lot of money. At $3m his double standard is good and high.

Laila Harre wasn’t elected leader of the Internet Party. She was hired. She’s been selected and paid for by Dotcom. The former coffee picker for the Sandinistas is New Zealand’s first corporate-hire political leader.

That’s a nice line. If you pay her enough, she’ll lead your political party for you.

She also believes Dotcom is funding her to help the poor and downtrodden with 1970s socialism. It’s nothing to do with his extradition to face criminal charges. The left don’t talk about truth. Rather, it’s the narrative. Harre is the only person buying her narrative.

I wonder if deep down they really believe their bullshit and think Dotcom’s $4 million donation is nothing to do with his extradition case.

She also believes Dotcom is funding her to help the poor and downtrodden with 1970s socialism. It’s nothing to do with his extradition to face criminal charges. The left don’t talk about truth. Rather, it’s the narrative. Harre is the only person buying her narrative.

Can you imagine the chaos. A Labour/Green/NZ First/Mana/Internet Government who only got there because of Dotcom’s money.  The Judge decides he should be extradited. He’ll be calling everyone from the PM to the Minister of Justice demanding they not extradite him or else.

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55 Responses to “Hide on Internet Mana”

  1. Urban_Redneck (72 comments) says:

    I wonder if deep down they really believe their bullshit and think Dotcom’s $4 million donation is nothing to do with his extradition case.

    The end always justifies the means – – and they have the means to justify every end – This has been standard fare for the radical-Left throughout history. I’m surprised you need that to be explained to you.

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  2. wat dabney (3,709 comments) says:

    Can’t disgree with Rodney. Watching Harawira fellate a fat white man for cash is hilarious.

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  3. CHFR (226 comments) says:

    What I am waiting for is when they have to pay the money back as proceeds of crime.

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  4. duggledog (1,505 comments) says:

    And that $4 million dollar donation – is that even clean money? They will all get what they deserve, and I’ll be at the airport waving Dot com goodbye hopefully soon.

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  5. tvb (4,327 comments) says:

    I would like to know “or else” involves. He is on a plane out of NZ, possibly in custody. What will “or else” involve. He will want his pound of flesh for sure. Look what he did to Banks for a paltry $50,000. What will he do for 3-4 million? Scary.

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  6. polemic (460 comments) says:

    I cannot see why people are so up in arms about this “civil union”.

    Hone Harawira is absolutely dedicated to improving the lot of Maori in society in NZ isn’t he? –
    The end justifies the means surely!

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  7. David Garrett (6,995 comments) says:

    The fat German is playing with New Zealand politics with even more cynicism than Peters…and man is that saying something.

    I am with you DPF…I wonder if, when they lie in bed awake at night, Harawira, Minto and Harre really believe their own bullshit. So much for the highly principled left who look down on us so sneeringly…

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  8. wreck1080 (3,858 comments) says:

    More hilarious if dotcom is extradited before the election and the money flow stops.

    Internet party will be gone by lunchtime given the impetus behind it’s formation.

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  9. Martin Gibson (236 comments) says:

    If I were more mathematically inclined I would like to formulate a “lefty hypocrisy index” where H=(number of mentions of inequality) /(donations to poor as a percentage of income over national median).
    More dangerous to get between a lefty and their trough than a horned cow and their calf.

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  10. stever (26 comments) says:

    Unfortunately this proves that political leaders can be brought . How do we know crim dot con wasn’t one of cunliefs secret donors .

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  11. Manolo (13,518 comments) says:

    Lets do not mince words: Laila Harre is nothing short of a political prostitute.
    The highest bidder, KDC in this case, got her.

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  12. YesWeDid (1,048 comments) says:

    “lefty hypocrisy index”

    Seriously? So ‘the right’ aren’t also doing dodgy deals to squeeze a few extra seats in parliament?

    Doesn’t Hide see the irony of him complaining about Hone and Dotcom doing a deal when the party he lead, ACT, only has an MP in parliament because of a ‘cup of tea’ dodgy deal?

    Stever is correct, this has nothing to do with left or right, politicians of all flavours are willing to do deals to win power.

    Did you all miss the recent Key announcement about how he will lay out what deals his party is willing to do and the gnashing of teeth from his MP’s who may have to take a dive for the team.

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  13. minus (174 comments) says:

    “Or else …”

    So far people bitch about the joining together of Internet MANA, but although they have an agreeement clause have mentioned a “review”, no one actually considers a falling out yet.

    The Electoral Commission seem to not know and would pass the whole mess back to the Clerk of the House.

    Harawira would be “safe”, if he wins his seat
    It will be legally listed on the voting paper as under MANA – with no indication it coat-tails any seats from the Internet MANA umbrella party vote.
    Voters will just have to understand that themselves.

    Then there’s the Internet MANA umbrella party vote – any seats from that will not show any alliance individually to Internet or Mana – and therefore have no legal grounds for their proper allocation to either minor party if the umbrella party is dissolved or otherwise ends. A party vote for Internet may be larger than for MANA.
    Who would know?
    Last Election the Labour party vote was larger in Hone’s electorate than the MANA party vote.
    So What is “or else”?
    I doubt any fucking great court case will resolve it easily :-)

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  14. Dead Earnest (160 comments) says:

    Don’t worry folks, the whole dirty business is about to be exposed in a new “best seller” by Nicky Hagar called the “The Hollow Tribe”.

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  15. Dead Earnest (160 comments) says:

    Sorry just a suggesion for a Tui ad!

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  16. ross411 (566 comments) says:

    YesWeDid (1,022 comments) says:
    Did you all miss the recent Key announcement about how he will lay out what deals his party is willing to do and the gnashing of teeth from his MP’s who may have to take a dive for the team.

    Yes. Because it only existed on whack-a-do web sites full of the bitter and disgruntled. Of course, I could be wrong, and you could provide links to this gnashing you imagine went on.

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  17. jcuknz (704 comments) says:

    Rodney is correct “They’re the best entertainment in years. If they were a parody they would be too improbable to be believed”

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  18. CharlieBrown (994 comments) says:

    “I wonder if deep down they really believe their bullshit and think Dotcom’s $4 million donation is nothing to do with his extradition case.”

    That would be ironic if its true… using money to fight money. DPF – Deep down do you actually believe the bullshit that the extradition case isn’t because Hollywood studios put pressure on the US government using its fundraising leverage against US candidates? Do you seriously believe that the money laundering charge will stick once he gets extradited – the charges are trumped up so Kim Dot Com can get sent in front of US courts to face copyright charges which isn’t an extraditable charge in NZ?

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  19. Dead Earnest (160 comments) says:

    Good argument Charlie, worth about 50K in Bitcoins, apply to Krim’s Mansion for the cheque!

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  20. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    Does every post about Dotcom have to refer to him as “fat”? It’s a bit lacking in class.

    Judith Collins is chubby, shall we forever refer to her as the chubby justice minister ? Things don’t always have to be personal.

    Anyhow, in the event of Labour / Green / Mana / Internet / Winston administration being in power, you can be damm sure they’d have Mr Dotcom on the first plane to the US.

    They’d already have his money, once he’s paid and they’ve won he serves no purpose. If he thinks he can buy protection from socialists he’s deluded. Refusing an extradition would be politically toxic and they’d no longer need his few million if they have the ability to rape the taxpayer instead through state funding for political parties.

    Dotcom is a mug if he thinks they’ll save him, socialists have no sense of honour or loyalty.

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  21. emmess (1,422 comments) says:

    I was driving around yesterday and saw an Internet Party poster
    It said:
    John Key – who is pulling the strings?

    Are the so thick not to be able to see the irony of that?
    There strategy is whatever they do, just accuse John Key of doing it

    Next Internet Party poster
    John Key is a big fat German Nazi sympathizing criminal, Nah nah nah nah

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  22. Nostalgia-NZ (5,097 comments) says:

    It’s nothing about the socialists or any other political leaning (not looking past that DC has also mined the right for progressing himself), more about the Judicial procedure. DC has no guarantees, as the Bank case amply proved to him – he paid for no return. In the meantime is Rodney casting an eye what he may consider perks again? Or are we being asked to ‘believe’ that a good few politicians have no interest in personal fame and fortune.

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  23. Ross12 (1,388 comments) says:

    I haven’t been following this close enough to understand the detail of the deal. On the ballot papers is there going to be a line for Internet/Mana Party ? If so, is that entity formally registered as a party ?

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  24. Dave Mann (1,207 comments) says:

    When the black helicopters came for Dotcom I thought it was totally OTT that our police and justice system was acting as a franchise of the Yankees and their idiotic movie industry – but then as things played out with JK and KDC in that parliamentary session I started to change my mind about the guy.

    Now, though, I am alarmed by the way one man has managed to make a laughing stock of a whole country together with its political and judicial system. On the one hand its quite funny, but on the other hand this whole thing is deeply disturbing, frankly.

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  25. YesWeDid (1,048 comments) says:

    @ross411 – how about the National Business Review and every other major media outlet.

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/coat-tail-deals-few-weeks-away-says-key-bd-157437

    Here is McCully saying ‘I would rather saw off my left arm with a rusty screwdriver’

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10159390/no-easy-ride-on-the-shore-for-craig

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  26. adze (2,093 comments) says:

    @Dave Mann

    You’ve described exactly my thought processes over time.

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  27. OneTrack (2,981 comments) says:

    alan – “Dotcom is a mug if he thinks they’ll save him, socialists have no sense of honour or loyalty.”

    But those same socialists/communists also hate the USA. So Russel Morman vetoing the extradition will be another example of “sticking it to the man”. In the hard-left circles he moves in, he will be cheered as a hero for not bowing down to the evil imperialists.

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  28. adze (2,093 comments) says:

    The Minister of Justice makes the final surrender order for extradition, but can some legal person indicate how much discretion they have with cases covered by an extradition treaty?

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  29. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    They only hate the USA when in opposition, once they get into office they’ll deal just like anyone else.

    Anyone, the left hate dotcom more than any one else, right now he’s just a useful, desperate idiot.

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  30. OneTrack (2,981 comments) says:

    YesWeDid – Dont be silly. Epsom is nothing like the grand hard-left rort of New Zealands electoral system in Te Tai Tokerau by the InternetMana party. In Epsom, there are two distinct parties on the ballot paper. The voters of Epsom can choose who they want, National or Act. Strange as left-wingeds seem to find it, they dont actually have to vote the way the Prime Minister says. And whatever happens, after the election there are two separate parties.

    When the left decide to rort the system, two completely unrelated parties join to become one so that the second one gets the benefit of the one which might win the electorate seat. So the second party gets seats for no reason at all, apart from the designers of MMP didn’t consider how low the left will go. And according to the above, Inernet!ana wont even be on the ballot in TTT, but they still get the benefit of those votes. So, who is a TTT voter actually voting for. They better read blogs like this, otherwise they simply won’t know.

    And then, just to top it all off, those two parties will separate again 6 weeks (6 minutes more like) after the election. So just how did the Internet party get into parliament again? A rort of epic proportions.

    But, anything is ok when the left does it. It’s this sort of bullshit that makes me think the left has nothing.

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  31. OneTrack (2,981 comments) says:

    Alan, obviously I disagree. The left were all happily tripping off the Mansion DotCom to discuss favours, etc. You will not be able to convince me that, after his trip to see DotCom, that Russel is not poised to veto the extradition if he is able to.

    I can’t see any other likely outcome following the rhetoric about Warners, evil recording studios, black helicopters,police supposedly doing the bidding of the movie companies because of John Key, etc., etc.

    Them not living up to our part of an extradition agreement with the evil satan seems their default option.

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  32. minus (174 comments) says:

    Ross12
    As yet no Internet MANA party is registered, nor do any of those registered have component parties.
    http://www.elections.org.nz/parties-candidates/registered-political-parties/register-political-parties

    On the ballot paper, it is understood in the Te Tai Tokerau Seat, Hone Harawira will be listed as an electorate candidate for MANA – with no reference his vote has anything to do with Internet.
    While on the party vote side, MANA will not appear but there will be Internet MANA [if they do register]
    Internet MANA will appear on all other party vote papers.

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  33. backster (2,141 comments) says:

    DotCrim always strikes me as a character from ‘Batman, arch criminal, seven foot tall, 40 stone of solid fat, gutteral german accent, surely more charisma than ‘The Riddler’ or ‘Catwoman. His ownership of a real political party and likely covert donations to the Labour Party leader make him far more sinister however.

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  34. minus (174 comments) says:

    OneTrack – And then, just to top it all off, those two parties will separate again 6 weeks (6 minutes more like) after the election. So just how did the Internet party get into parliament again? A rort of epic proportions.

    How will that separation happen?
    Hone’s seat will remain his – it will be legally under MANA.
    Any joint list seats will be just that: JOINT – with no indication of individual party alliance so they will be impossible to allocate to either individual party.
    Lawyers’ field day or possibly a re-run Election :-)

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  35. burt (8,205 comments) says:

    DPF

    Can you imagine the chaos. A Labour/Green/NZ First/Mana/Internet Government who only got there because of Dotcom’s money. The Judge decides he should be extradited. He’ll be calling everyone from the PM to the Minister of Justice demanding they not extradite him or else.

    You seem to be forgetting that in the new NZ order these people will have a profit share in the Mega Monopoly(s) the tax payers will fund, They’ll only need him for so long. Hone has no chance to stay associated with Dotcom once he implements his white mo-fo’s need to wear a yellow star policy.

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  36. Keeping Stock (10,267 comments) says:

    A bloke goes up to a woman in a pub and says “Would you sleep with me for a million bucks?”

    She replies “Yeah, I suppose I would”

    So he asks her “Would you sleep with me for ten bucks?”

    Indignantly, she replies “What do you think I am?”

    The bloke smiles and says “We’ve already established what you are. We’re just haggling over the price!”

    How much haggling went on between Kim and Hone, Kim and Laila and Kim and everyone else? Here endeth today’s lesson.

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  37. Viking2 (11,368 comments) says:

    The biggest mistake in any contest is to underestimate the competition.

    No matter how much wordy rubbish is pontificated upon on this blog none of us know the real story nor have we any idea of the outcome.
    We might not like what’s happening but its not the first time these deals have been done. the only outstanding part of this deal is that one person has funded these parties openly with sufficient money for them to contest the election.
    Now we get that lots don’t like the guy BUT lots are fans of his and depending on policy, an issue where there is plenty lacking from others), we should not be surprised at what happens.
    Just saying.

    Now here’s an example of the current crud that amounts to policy. Its disgusting stuff from your hero English lecturing Tauranga city council. Telling us all he knows better than the market place. Telling the council that they need to find a way to steal from some to give to others.

    Bill says the Government is determined to reduce the cost of housing through the Special Housing Areas Act and influencing council’s impact on the market.

    A recent international housing affordability study rated Tauranga as the second-least affordable place to live in New Zealand.

    Bill says with the housing market “running hot” Tauranga City Council need to understand the wider economic impacts the housing crisis is having with interest rates set to continue rising unless something is done.

    The Reserve Bank this week raised the official cash rate by 25 basis points to 3.25 per cent, the third rise this year, signaling more rises were to come.

    “The Reserve Bank General is sticking the rates up until council’s start taking notice.
    – See more at: http://sunlive.co.nz/news/74735-english-dispels-tauranga-housing-rumours.html#sthash.c8jFtamN.dpuf
    —————–
    Nothing about the fact that the govt. has borrowed 75 billion dollars in the last 5 years to fund social policy and drive building of houses and infrastructure. Infrastructure that the councils also have to fund for all the new immigrants. Should the current ratepayers pay for that?
    In Tauranga last moth there were 80 new house consents. That has risen from around 45 in the last year or so. There are plenty of houses for sale and still plenty to rent. There is still not plenty off highly paid jobs available so we are left wondering why a. we need more new houses than the market demands and b. where the jobs will come from once all these immigrants come to take up all these cheap houses or is English and co going to send us lots of refugees and low quality immigrants just to spite us and drag our city down to West Auckland level?

    It should be noted that there are plenty of much cheaper houses available for purchase just 40 minutes away in Rotorua. Perhaps if we had a better road thru there we would encourage more people down this way or even to Matamata at 30 minutes.
    Katikati has plenty of cheaper land but the road thru is in dire need of elevating to the top of the list for rebuilding. Te puke has plenty of sections and that’s right on the new motorway.
    English as usual talks thru a hole in his head.

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  38. adze (2,093 comments) says:

    Anyone remember the Schwarzenegger movie The Running Man? :)

    http://imgur.com/zjuMJUZ

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  39. Nukuleka (302 comments) says:

    The person who has sunk most in my view is John Minto- whatever your opinion of his wacky political views he has always had a pretty consistent, and I would have thought PRICIPLED, stance on issues. I would never have thought in a million years that he would be the type to subscribe to the cynical view that the means justifies the end. Events have shown him to be nothing but a middle-aged rent boy.

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  40. Ross12 (1,388 comments) says:

    Thanks minus @11,57

    So for this deal to work the entity InternetMana has to register. Is there a deadline for this ? ( I had a quick look through Electrol commission but couldn’t see anything –so yes I’m being lazy asking you)

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  41. smttc (732 comments) says:

    Nukuleka, I think you mean the end justifies the means?

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  42. David Garrett (6,995 comments) says:

    ” A middle aged rent boy”…By George Nukuleka, you are a valuable addition to the KB flock and no mistake…

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  43. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    As a matter of interest, has Dotcom ever stated that he expects Hone/Laila to take the necessary steps to get him off his charges, should they be elected, or are we just speculating according to our own values and standards?

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  44. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    For Christ’s sake Judith- Why the hell else is the Obese German getting into bed with Mana? Has this lifelong Capitalist who famously treats little people like dirt all of a sudden developed a left-wing social conscience??

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  45. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    I’m sure if his plan doesn’t work you’ll pop round to his cell with something inflatable and comfy Judith! :)

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  46. goldnkiwi (1,264 comments) says:

    Manolo (12,985 comments) says:

    June 15th, 2014 at 9:34 am

    Lets do not mince words: Laila Harre is nothing short of a political prostitute.
    The highest bidder, KDC in this case, got her.

    That suggests some other party wanted her. Didn’t I read that the Greens didn’t? Or not want her as she wanted to be wanted which is different. ;)

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  47. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Longknives (4,239 comments) says:
    June 15th, 2014 at 3:32 pm

    I don’t know why else, that is why I asked the question.

    Could there be another reason that is being overlooked? Is there something else that can be achieved via success of the party/s?

    Given that the entire population of NZ will be watching to make sure that the system isn’t manipulated by KDC, and therefore it is highly unlikely that it would happen, regarding his extradition, I would like to make sure there is not something else on the agenda.

    PS as an example, whose business would be greatly enhanced if the next government spent trillions on improving technology regarding the internet? What else might there be that could be influenced in his favor? Simple question that’s all.

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  48. Keeping Stock (10,267 comments) says:

    @ Judith (3.28pm) – the answer lies here (excuse the link-whore please DPF):

    “No one rides for free with Kim. And if you think about it, and go through every situation, there’s never been a time of just open generosity; it’s always been for something in return.”

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/04/no-one-rides-for-free-with-kim.html

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  49. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Keeping Stock (9,973 comments) says:
    June 15th, 2014 at 5:03 pm

    Yeah, well that’s what I’ve been thinking about – I’d read that comment.

    So, given the publicity etc, there is no way that a bid for extradition will happen through Laila and Hone’s influence. They are both clever enough to know it would be committing political suicide – SO what else might KDC be wanting?

    Or is he just a nice guy, that loves New Zealand and wants rid of the current government? (which is what we are being led to believe).

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  50. lolitasbrother (636 comments) says:

    another good clean article from Rodney

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  51. Keeping Stock (10,267 comments) says:

    He doesn’t just want “rid of the current government” Judith. Mike Treen from Unite Union called it honestly on Friday; “Kim Dotcom wants to take his revenge on this government.”

    That is the sole purpose of the Internet Party; a vehicle for revenge. Forget all the nice platitudes from Laila Harre; Dotcom is pulling the strings. Unfortunately, there’s the small matter of the extradition hearing on 7 July where the US Dept of Justice will lay out its case against Dotcom and others, and we’ll get to hear what a “nice guy” he really isn’t.

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  52. Dead Earnest (160 comments) says:

    From One News – “The combined Internet-Mana Party is tonight launching a campaign to get rid of the notorious ‘coat tailing’ clause at elections.
    Internet Party leader Laila Harre is relying on Hone Harawira to win his northern Maori seat in order to get into Parliament as the alliance is only attracting 1.3% of the vote.
    However, despite a plan to do it, Internet and Mana want the coat tailing provision gone.
    They deny they’re hypocrites”.

    This is just unbelievable hypocrisy – An alliance formed with the sole purpose of utilising the coat tailing clause is campaiging to get rid of it, knowing that it won’t be gone in time for them get the gain of it.

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  53. burt (8,205 comments) says:

    Hone’s gonna shut down white rich mo-fo’s buying their way into parliament.

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  54. Nostalgia-NZ (5,097 comments) says:

    ‘This is just unbelievable hypocrisy – An alliance formed with the sole purpose of utilising the coat tailing clause is campaiging to get rid of it, knowing that it won’t be gone in time for them get the gain of it.’

    That surprises you Dead Earnest? A lot of people don’t like the ‘coat tailing.’ Some may even vote for the IP for that reason. With the to and froing in recent elections it’s hardly likely that the ‘incumbents’, apart from Mana it appears, have any stomach for raising it as a party policy. Well thought out it seems, but who knows about it’s likely success. Another interest here in that the IP begins to be the called the ‘Alliance’ in some reports, yours at least. Fairly smart branding now that it seems the ‘secret’ is out. I might be quite wrong of course.

    Check out the recent possible configurations of MMP parties and see the predictions that the MP may not win any seats. It worth considering where that vote might go. Also, if the MP might be offered an endorsement for a candidate in a general electorate seat. All of which add dimensions to the coming election, at least in the way things appear to be unfolding. It would be interesting if the case of the MP or the IP was advanced in west Auckland, taking into account the concerns raised there recently.

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  55. Sam Buchanan (501 comments) says:

    Keep it up guys – I’m always amused at the horror and moral disgust displayed by the right when the left starts doing things right-wingers have been doing for years!

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