Internet news now more trusted in US than TV news

June 26th, 2014 at 4:00 pm by David Farrar

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Gallup reports:

Confidence in newspapers has declined by more than half since its 1979 peak of 51%, while TV news has seen confidence ebb from its high of 46% in 1993, the first year that Gallup asked this question. Gallup’s only previous measure of Internet news was in 1999, when confidence was 21%, little different from today.

And there is a political difference:

Slightly less than one-fifth of self-identified conservatives (15%) say they have a great deal or quite a lot of confidence in newspapers, tied with the 10-year low. In the past decade, the percentage of conservatives expressing a strong degree of confidence in newspapers has fallen by nearly half. Liberals are far more likely than conservatives — or than the adult population in general — to be confident in newspapers (34%). Nearly a quarter of moderates (24%), meanwhile, have confidence in newspapers.

Most of the US has a huge liberal bias, and people have revolted against it. We’re lucky things are not so bad in NZ.

 

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52 Responses to “Internet news now more trusted in US than TV news”

  1. Fentex (899 comments) says:

    Most of the US media has a huge liberal bias

    I find that claim very hard to believe, just as I suspect the opposite claim would be suspect.

    I expect the media in the U.S has a profit driven bias that likely reduces willingness to stand out in confrontation with authority (if you can be isolated it endangers your access) and increases willingness to promote the spurious and sensational, while also shaping content to suit community.

    I doubt the media in the religious mid-west, conservative deep south and liberal west coast are so similar they can be grouped so readily.

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  2. mikenmild (11,231 comments) says:

    I read somewhere that bias in US newspapers seems to be strongly linked to the prevailing political climate in the communities they service.

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  3. Redbaiter (7,852 comments) says:

    “We’re lucky things are not so bad in NZ.”

    Good joke.

    Just because they’re occasionally supportive of the Progressive John Key and his reformed National Party doesn’t at all mean they’re being objective.

    All it means is that the LW media perceive the current National Party as being more competent managers of the one party socialist state than Labour.

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  4. stephieboy (2,455 comments) says:

    Good Joke.??

    Like the silly paranoia here. ?

    http://truebluenz.com/

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  5. Chinarugby (84 comments) says:

    What crap DPF – t’he US media has a huge liberal bias’ – utter crap, it’s you that has a right wing bias – look in the mirror!

    US media is incredibly diverse as noted above and reflects the communities they serve/operate in.

    I suppose you consider revolting FOX news as a bastion of ‘fairness and truth’

    You’ve long lost any real semblance of balance.

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  6. Liam Hehir (116 comments) says:

    It is counterintuitive but I agree that media bias is much worse in the United States then it is here. To argue about “corporate profit motive” is to make two errors:

    1. An almost unbelievably high proportion of mainstream journalists support liberal policies – this is surely a more direct factor than questions of shareholder interest; and

    2. Who’s to say that big business is pro-market or conservatism anyway? Big businesses love regulations that create barriers to entry – too big to fail, too.

    There are plenty of objective measurements of this, but one very good one is the political quotient as measured by UCLA professor Tim Groseclose. Here is a good Freakonomics article on it here. He found that bias in the media measurably moves voters to the left.

    EDIT: Which is not to say that it’s sinister. As Groseclose conjectures:

    Why are newsrooms so liberal? I don’t know, except that I suspect that it’s mainly self-selection. I believe that there is something in the DNA of liberals that makes them want to pursue careers like journalism, academia, and the arts.

    A manager or owner of a media outlet could try to counteract this by trying to hire more conservatives, but he will have a hard time trying to find conservatives who want to be journalists. He’ll either have to pay conservative journalists more or be willing to hire conservative journalists who are not as good at reporting as liberal journalists. It’s a hard problem for a news-outlet manager to solve. I basically believe we’re in an equilibrium – that liberal bias is basically here to stay.

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  7. Nukuleka (248 comments) says:

    It is not just political bias it is basic incorrect ‘information’ that is dolled out without any attempt to even check for authenticity. In the last week the NZ media have fed us ludicrous stories about a transgender person who was allegedly bashed up because of being transgender. Turns out he/she sustained injuries when he/she fell out of a tree!! The there was a story about a child with a facial disfiguration being ejected from a McDonald’s- again, not true.

    And don’t start me on the relentless anti-Catholic stories about nuns eating the corpses of dead children…..

    Journalists lie.

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  8. mikenmild (11,231 comments) says:

    ‘the relentless anti-Catholic stories about nuns eating the corpses of dead children’
    Link please. That’s a story I really want to read.

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  9. Jack5 (4,784 comments) says:

    DPF talking about US media liberal bias (in American use of “liberal”): “things are not so bad in NZ.”

    Oh yeah! Our MSM is fairly uniformly liberal (in the American sense) IMHO

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  10. Ed Snack (1,773 comments) says:

    Chinarugby, sadly it is you that is utterly unable to see your own bias. The US media is very largely left biased with only Fox standing out as more neutral. It is true that Fox is seen as “right wing fringe” or “revolting” as you put it, but that merely exposes your biases. Fox has a number of liberal commentors and opinion hosts as well as a good number of conservative ones. There are effectively NO conservative hosts on CNN, MSNBC, or ABC.

    The major newspapers are more split with regional biases, but the two most noticed papers are the NY Times and the Washington Post, both of which are way left although both have some non-liberal opinion pieces.

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  11. Liam Hehir (116 comments) says:

    Remember too, that the influence of FOX News (and cable news in general) is pretty overblown when all things are considered.

    On a good night, Fox News might get between 2 and 3 million viewers. That’s a fraction of what the traditional networks, ABC, NBC and CBS get.

    In 2008, executives, writers and reporters from those networks gave 88% of their donations to the Dems. Link here.

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  12. Nukuleka (248 comments) says:

    mikenmild- ‘That’s a story I really want to read’.

    That’s the whole bloody point, matey. If a patently stupid, sensational and fictional story would sell papers the media would print it- anything to sell papers and make money. Bugger the accuracy.

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  13. SW (226 comments) says:

    What utter crap DPF. Is it other people that live in alternative universe where reality is the direct opposite to what people believe, or is it me who lives in that universe?

    Propaganda is such a powerful tool- it should never be forgotten what misinformed scared people are capable of.

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  14. Dom Knots (155 comments) says:

    the problem is the bullshit fox news spin to those 2 and 3 million and who they in turn spin it to. Also, i doubt the viewer numbers are that low.

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  15. RRM (9,605 comments) says:

    They’re an angry country, I’m not surprised they mistrust anyone saying anything they don’t already agree with.

    I browsed the political section in Arty Bees recently. All the American political books have the author on the front cover looking stern in front of the stars and stripes, and a title something like

    PATRIOTIC FREEDOM:
    WHY THE OTHER LOT ARE UTTER UTTER CUNTS AND WHY I FUCKING HATE THEIR TREASONOUS SOULS WITH EVERY PROUD AMERICAN BONE IN MY BODY

    It would be funny, if it wasn’t so horrifying…

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  16. XavierG (76 comments) says:

    “US media has a huge liberal bias”

    Care to back that up?

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  17. Liam Hehir (116 comments) says:

    Dom Knots – hang on, you could say the same thing for the other media sources. In fact, this is what DPF (and Groseclose) are essentially saying. In the study I cited earlier, only two major media outlets – FOX News and the Washington Times, were found to be to the left of the average US congressman.

    I think the only way you can really argue against the existence of media bias is to say that “it is the facts have a liberal bias” – but I would suggest that if you really feel that way you might be a poor choice to judge the issue in the first place.

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  18. Dom Knots (155 comments) says:

    excellent point, Liam – but completely hokey. You only have to visit wikipedia to see the viewer numbers for fox news. I dont give a fuck about left or right – my point was regarding the shit they spread.

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  19. Liam Hehir (116 comments) says:

    Sorry – that should read “…not to be to the left…”

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  20. Ed Snack (1,773 comments) says:

    Actually, Fox has far better viewer numbers than the other networks, it is I believe running close to 45% in some markets. Others like CNN are way down on their heyday. Most of this is due to the overt spin that the liberal networks apply. The reason that conservatives distrust the liberal outlets is that those outlets lie, simples.

    It isn’t that Fox can’t apply some spin of it’s own, but it is generally the closest to “middle of the road” by NZ standards no matter how much the frothers want to deny it.

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  21. Chinarugby (84 comments) says:

    Ed Snack – the ‘liberal commentators’ you speak of on FOX are usually rolled onto something like O Reilly’s show and are usually quickly over talked and shouted down by O’Reilly and his ‘experts’ – their positions mocked and ridiculed. FOX is not a place for reasoned discourse.

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  22. stephieboy (2,455 comments) says:

    The utter piffle of the alleged left liberal bias of the of the US media,

    http://www.examiner.com/article/50-politically-biased-sources-not-to-get-your-news-from

    Ed Snack. Fox News middle the road.???
    Wow.!!

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  23. Liam Hehir (116 comments) says:

    Ed Snack (and Dom Knots) – that’s not correct.

    FOX dominates cable news. However, even the lowest rated network channels (i.e. those available outside of cable) outrate FOX substantially.

    People watch the three network evening news programs outnumber those watching prime time cable news shows— by about ten to one.

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  24. stephieboy (2,455 comments) says:

    The unreason and hopeless bias of Fox News,

    http://wickershamsconscience.wordpress.com/2014/06/14/republicans-fox-news-and-that-big-river-in-africa/

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  25. Redbaiter (7,852 comments) says:

    “Care to back that up?”

    What would you accept as evidence?

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  26. stephieboy (2,455 comments) says:

    “What would you accept as evidence?”

    Try mine at 5.17pm

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  27. XavierG (76 comments) says:

    There are plenty of academic institutions which undertake media bias analysis, both in NZ and overseas…

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  28. UglyTruth (4,550 comments) says:

    ‘the relentless anti-Catholic stories about nuns eating the corpses of dead children’
    Link please. That’s a story I really want to read.

    https://2012thebigpicture.wordpress.com/tag/ninth-circle/

    The remains of nearly 800 babies found in a cistern at the Catholic St. Mary’s Mothers and Babies Home near Tuam “bear marks of ritual killing” according to a source within the Garda, Ireland’s police force.

    “The forensic people have told us that the configuration of the remains and evidence of continual decapitation and dismemberment resemble the usual signs of ritualistic murder … These children weren’t just cut up, they were massacred.”

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  29. nasska (10,834 comments) says:

    ….”The remains of nearly 800 babies found in a cistern at the Catholic St. Mary’s Mothers and Babies Home near Tuam “bear marks of ritual killing” according to a source within the Garda, Ireland’s police force.”….

    Is there no end to the evil done in the name of God?

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  30. Redbaiter (7,852 comments) says:

    “There are plenty of academic institutions which undertake media bias analysis, both in NZ and overseas…”

    You’re right. Here’s one here-

    While the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal is conservative, the newspaper’s news pages are liberal, even more liberal than the New York Times. The Drudge Report may have a right-wing reputation, but it leans left. Coverage by public television and radio is conservative compared to the rest of the mainstream media. Meanwhile, almost all major media outlets tilt to the left.

    These are just a few of the surprising findings from a UCLA-led study, which is believed to be the first successful attempt at objectively quantifying bias in a range of media outlets and ranking them accordingly.

    http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664

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  31. EAD (776 comments) says:

    The quality and independence of Mainstream Media has been going downhill since Operation Mockingbird began in the 1950′s.

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  32. Redbaiter (7,852 comments) says:

    Here’s another -

    A study by the Project for Excellence in Journalism and Harvard’s Joan Shorenstein Center on the Press, Politics and Public Policy has found that the media coverage of the 2008 presidential campaign was more likely to be spun in a positive manner toward Democrats than Republicans.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/terry-trippany/2007/10/30/study-finds-democrats-given-preferential-treatment-msm

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  33. Redbaiter (7,852 comments) says:

    MSNBC.com identified 143 journalists who made political contributions from 2004 through the start of the 2008 campaign, according to the public records of the Federal Election Commission. Most of the newsroom checkbooks leaned to the left: 125 journalists gave to Democrats and liberal causes. Only 16 gave to Republicans. Two gave to both parties.

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  34. EAD (776 comments) says:

    The mainstream media has been captured and does their utmost to obfuscate, downplay, and ignore the most important issue plaguing the planet – Monetary Policy/Central Banking. On the second most important issue, foreign policy, whilst reported on alot more than Central Banking, it has essentially become a simple propaganda narrative of USA good, everybody else bad. Fortunatly now we have alternative truth telling websites like Liberty Blitzkrieg, Mike Shedlock, John Rubino’s Dollar Collapse, Jim Kunstler, John Hussman, Jesse’s Cafe Americain, Charles Hugh Smith,Karl Denniger, and the King of them all – Zerohedge that keep the spark of truth alive for those seeking it.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-25/gap-between-those-money-those-knowledge-has-grown-catastrophic

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  35. Floyd60 (88 comments) says:

    Isn’t the real story here that all media are distrusted? Their claim they they are the ‘fourth estate’ is rubbish – they are all paid mouth-pieces.

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  36. Redbaiter (7,852 comments) says:

    Here’s another uni study

    http://newsweekly.com.au/article.php?id=5595

    A survey of over 600 Australian journalists, conducted by a senior academic from the University of the Sunshine Coast, Queensland, has cast a revealing light on the political beliefs of Australian journalists.

    It shows that over 40 per cent of ABC journalists support the Greens, over 30 per cent support Labor, and just 15 per cent support the Coalition.

    While political beliefs do not automatically result in biased reporting, the left-wing dominance suggests that the culture of the ABC is overwhelmingly to the left, so that many journalists are unaware that their views are far to the left of the mainstream, or believe that they are a vanguard who must “educate” the public towards their perceptions of reality.

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  37. mikenmild (11,231 comments) says:

    ‘the King of them all – Zerohedge’
    King of bullshit, maybe.

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  38. stephieboy (2,455 comments) says:

    UT, your choice of sources is utterly gobsmacking most of the time

    https://2012thebigpicture.wordpress.com/tag/ufos/

    milkenmild, Zero Hege is BS.,

    http://jalopnik.com/that-zero-hedge-article-on-unsold-cars-is-bullshit-1578124255

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  39. EAD (776 comments) says:

    Nice google search result there Stephie. You’ve highlighted the amazing thing with google in that you can type in any phrase you want and it will come up with the answer you want to hear from somewhere in the deepest, darkest web – in this case “Jalopnik”

    You know as well as I do that Zerohedge stands firmly on the side of ending the reign of terror of money produced out of thin air, backed by nothing fiat money that enriches the elites and the expense of the 99%. That is anethma to you as you like the power that fiat money takes from the people and gives to the government as you are an admitted fan of State rather than people power.

    You always post links from the laughable “RationalWiki” site claiming that Zerohedge is a “conspiracy” website. Well what do you say when some of the industry big guns have realised that the only way to save Civilization from the vortex of debt, despair and decay is to bring back the gold standard that was destroyed by Nixon in 1971? This article published yesterday by Forbes is a brilliant summation of why we need to bring back Gold into the monetary system:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/keithweiner/2014/06/24/america-needs-the-gold-standard-more-than-ever/

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  40. Dom Knots (155 comments) says:

    if you want a first hand informed opinion of the state of world journalism listen to what Robert Fisk has to say about it.

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  41. mikenmild (11,231 comments) says:

    Let’s have a check. Would zero hedge by any chance be predicting imminent economic collapse? Yes, you say? Oh well, must be a day ending in y.

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  42. EAD (776 comments) says:

    Mikey,

    didn’t Kiwiblog earlier today say that the USA economy is collapsing as GDP shrunk 2.9% and exports declined 8.9%?

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/06/us_economy_shrinks_29.html

    Eventually the reality becomes so obvious to all that it can’t be hidden and even the MSM are forced to report it.

    You should equate yourself with the simple tenets of the Austrian School of Economics about how booms and bust occur:

    “True, governments can reduce the rate of interest in the short run. They can issue additional paper money. They can open the way to credit expansion by the banks. They can thus create an artificial boom and the appearance of prosperity. But such a boom is bound to collapse soon or late and to bring about a depression.” – Ludwig Von Mises

    http://mises.org/quotes.aspx?action=subject&subject=Business%20Cycles

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  43. mikenmild (11,231 comments) says:

    And you know forbes.com is just a random collection of blogs, right?

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  44. stephieboy (2,455 comments) says:

    EAD, we wait for the announcement of the imminent economic end of times armageddon that started circa 2007 . Give us a daily countdown and timeline if you will.

    Meanwhile five myths about the gold standard that you obsesses about ,

    http://blog.oup.com/2014/02/five-myths-about-gold-standard/

    Rational Wiki.? Reality can be an awful burden for someone like you to bare.

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  45. EAD (776 comments) says:

    Looks like I’ve really touched a nerve with 2 of Kiwiblogs resident left wing posters when I bring up the Gold Standard.

    Mikey and Stephie both know that it is the unbacked fiat money regime that gives Government the power to control our lives and implement their Statist policies. They are scared that the public will finally realise that all their problems (inequality, poverty, inflation, government intrusion, socialism) will disappear if the public cotton onto the nature of money they use to go about their lives.

    It’s interesting to note the people that support your position on gold:

    Adolf Hitler – “Gold is not neccesary. I have no interest in gold. We will build a solid state, without an ounce of gold behind it. Anyone who sells above the set prices, let him be marched off to a concentration camp”

    Keynes – “In truth, the gold standard is already a barbarous relic”

    And I’ll leave you with a quote from Tolstoy – “Truth, like gold, is to be obtained not by its growth, but by washing away from it all that is not gold.”

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  46. stephieboy (2,455 comments) says:

    And that dingbat Ron Paul supports the Gold standard. Carry on.

    Adolf Hitler . Source .??

    A barbaric relic .?

    Lunacy would be more accurate,

    The Gold standard of Lunacy ,

    http://theaporetic.com/?p=914

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  47. EAD (776 comments) says:

    Stephie – do you think I just make things up? Here is my source – a little paper called “The Telegraph”. You may have heard of it?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/jeffrandall/2782892/When-governments-print-money-buy-gold.html

    This article also provides me with a few other nice quotes, one of which I’ll add:

    “Control-freak politicians abhor gold because it ignores them; it won’t do what it’s told. It defies economists and laughs at central bankers.” – couldn’t have said it better myself!!!

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  48. Chinarugby (84 comments) says:

    The University of the Sunshine Coast – is that a joke?

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  49. stephieboy (2,455 comments) says:

    EAD, Gold is Gold no more less than the dollar is the dollar. Nothing mystical or magical to that basic fact .
    Now how do you think the US payed for WW2.? what difference would gold of made .;??
    Next question.? The value of our dollar like the US one is based on what.? GDP of course i.e the goods and services it produces like Agricultural and Horticultural products , Forestry, Fisheries etc that we export.
    Now how and earth is gold going to make any difference to that basic fact.???
    Assume we all switch to gold is there enough of it to go around to all the 193 or so nation states .??

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  50. Yoza (1,653 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (7,254 comments) says:
    June 26th, 2014 at 5:55 pm

    “There are plenty of academic institutions which undertake media bias analysis, both in NZ and overseas…”

    You’re right. Here’s one here-

    While the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal is conservative, the newspaper’s news pages are liberal, even more liberal than the New York Times. …

    The Wall Street Journal’s readership is predominantly business class, these people are trusted to make decisions based on reported facts which accurately reflect reality. The reporting of the Wall Street Journal is not left-wing or an example of ‘left-wing bias’ it is an example of an organ designed to deliver factual information to a readership hungry for data on which they can make decisions, decisions which routinely affect millions and can cost their employers or shareholders of the corporations in which they operate hundreds of millions of dollars.

    It is interesting that an institution designed to disseminate accurately investigated information to the coordinator class of the planet’s most rapacious corporate machine appears ‘left-wing’.

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  51. Mike Readman (359 comments) says:

    The real reason is the lamestream media hardly ever mention the globalists or the new world order over there. Here, never at all!

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  52. alephnaught (16 comments) says:

    Most of the US media has a huge liberal bias

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