Labour hits 23%

June 19th, 2014 at 7:17 am by David Farrar

I’ve blogged at Curiablog the results of the latest Fairfax Ipsos poll which has Labour plummet to 23% and National up 9% to 56%.

It is important to note that this poll was taken BEFORE yesterday’s revelations that Cunliffe denial’s about involvement with secret Labour Party donor Dong Liu were false. God knows where they would be today, except to say they seem well place to beat National’s record low of 21% in 2002.

Stuff says Labour would be reduced to 29 seats on this poll. They have (effectively) 23 electorate seats so that means they would get only six list MPs. Of course it might be fewer than that if NZ First does make 5% and/or they win any extra Maori seats.

So who loses their seat on this poll:

Kelvin Davis, Carol Beaumont, Rajen Prasad, Moana Mackey and Andrew Little all go, plus no replacements for Jones, Fenton and Prasad,

The MP on the verge of losing her seat is Jacinda Ardern.  But she could be saved by Labour’s gender equity rule. For this election 47% of caucus must be female.   That means at least 14 of the 29 MP must be female.  Of Labour’s 23 electorate seats (I include Kelston), nine are female. So 5 of the 6 List MPs must be female. So David Parker would just keep his seat, but all other male List MPs would be gone.

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96 Responses to “Labour hits 23%”

  1. Harriet (4,502 comments) says:

    She’s all on:

    “…..Scabs.” – Cunliffe.

    “…..Labour leader David Cunliffe has issued a veiled warning to his caucus against any move against him, saying he has the support of Labour Party members and affiliates and any who break ranks could be viewed as scabs – workers who break a strike by crossing the picket line.

    Some senior Labour MPs are understood to be weighing up mounting a coup against Mr Cunliffe following the latest nightmare to hit his leadership,…… …..” – The Herald.

    Well they’ed have to…… as Cunliffe and Labour are both polling lower than Gillard & Rudd Labor!

    Infact – they’ed have seen what happened to Bligh and QLD Labor —— just 7 seats.

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  2. ldypen (26 comments) says:

    Last thing National need is Cunliffe getting rolled, he’s doing such a great job at getting votes for national that I say keep him in as leader of the confused and dazed.

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  3. dishy (224 comments) says:

    I hope the unions are as pleased with their choice of leader as I am.

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  4. georgebolwing (602 comments) says:

    It is blindingly obvious that National are going to win the election outright and that Labour might even come third after the greens. When will this story be written in the MSM?

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  5. Duxton (579 comments) says:

    Oh dear……

    :-)

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  6. alloytoo (432 comments) says:

    All of a sudden Kelvin Davis gifting Hone his seat becomes less of an option.

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  7. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Notice “Tojo” Cunliffe quit his Larry Williams interview early, dodged Mike Hosking, but slithered off to the Labour-friendly sanctuary of Gutless Campbell. These guys are two of a kind, trying to promote themselves as holier than thou and beyond reproach. Two of the most dangerous lying charlatans ever to insult our intelligences, and there is a lot more to come from both these mongrels. Now is time to get a question to “Tojo” about the young lad supposedly plied with booze and molested at a Labour function in Parliament, in the company of senior MPs, possibly including the infamous Clark and Cullen; where was Tojo, he was usually slithering around the feet of the two ex-leaders just as Parker is doing today!

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  8. Eisenhower (137 comments) says:

    Labour has nothing to lose in rolling Cunliffe now. No party can withstand such dire polling without taking some sort of action to staunch the blood loss, especially those on the cusp of losing their jobs. Even Cunliffe’s supporters should undestand that its nothing personal if a coup goes down.

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  9. jims_whare (398 comments) says:

    Couldn’t have happened to nicer people….ha….ha…ha.

    I see that on the Herald they are saying that Cunliffe won’t be replaced until after the election as no one wants the job.

    So we have Cunliffe with a stench of dishonesty all over him likely to be leader until Sept 21.

    New poll out today has Labour on 23%. If Cunliffe stays in charge what are the chances of Labour’s vote starting with a 1 come election day?

    I would say pretty high.

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  10. Lindsay Addie (1,129 comments) says:

    Simply rolling DC and putting [insert name] in as caretaker leader isn’t going to fix all the other deep seated problems the party also has. Parties win elections because their foundations are strong, that isn’t the 2014 Labour Party.

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  11. RF (1,263 comments) says:

    Three more years… Three more years… Three more years !!!!

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  12. thedavincimode (6,530 comments) says:

    Even Cunliffe’s supporters should undestand that its nothing personal if a coup goes down.

    Eisenhower, you’re assuming that the responses from the cunners club would be 1) rational, 2) motivated other than by self-interest.

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  13. Nostalgia-NZ (4,902 comments) says:

    Give it a break Harriet how could the Labour caucus mount a coup against one man and an unregistered dog? The SPCA would never allow it. Things don’t look the best, it will be interesting if JK decides to tell the ‘non’ parties to take a hike and no more free loading.

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  14. ross411 (220 comments) says:

    igm (1,223 comments) says:
    June 19th, 2014 at 7:33 am
    Notice “Tojo” Cunliffe quit his Larry Williams interview early, dodged Mike Hosking, but slithered off to the Labour-friendly sanctuary of Gutless Campbell. These guys are two of a kind, trying to promote themselves as holier than thou and beyond reproach. Two of the most dangerous lying charlatans ever to insult our intelligences, and there is a lot more to come from both

    I actually watched Campbell Live last night, and thought Campbell did a good job calling Cunliffe out on some of his bullshit. At one stage Cunliffe went into some long unclear political speak starting with how Campbell has known him for a long time, and Campbell cut him off and said that after all of what Labour has made with respect to National and Donghua Liu, Cunliffe and Labour look dodgy (or something like that). I wonder whether this had something to do with Campbell sitting up and giving a Labour-related politician some decent questions and call outs for a change.

    The one thing I appreciate about Campbell is that he speaks in full sentences. I can’t stand the news presenters who break a sentence into phrases and leave a meaningful pause between each (e.g. “Campbell Lite” who presents on John Campbell’s off days). Or the huffers, who say part of a sentence, draw in a loud breath (e.g. one and three news presenters), then work their way through the next bit, and repeat as long as they are talking.

    I wonder whether Cunliffe ever listens to himself? He doesn’t seem like he is stupid. But he breaks out into these political speak speeches which don’t really answer anything, and are mostly boring and confusing. I’ve seen him do it on the show in the mornings in the weekend, and also on evening shows like Campbell Live.

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  15. Yoza (1,526 comments) says:

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  16. Harriet (4,502 comments) says:

    “…..Things don’t look the best, it will be interesting if JK decides to tell the ‘non’ parties to take a hike and no more free loading…..”

    Hardly. They’ed fight harder – and Key knows he’s been lazy the last two yrs. Better off having the tea party conservatives pissing out of the tent and National retaining more of ‘their’ swinging voters.

    Key’s only a bit player where conservatism is concerned. just sayin.

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  17. ross411 (220 comments) says:

    Eisenhower (135 comments) says:
    June 19th, 2014 at 7:33 am
    Labour has nothing to lose in rolling Cunliffe now. No party can withstand such dire polling without taking some sort of action to staunch the blood loss, especially those on the cusp of losing their jobs. Even Cunliffe’s supporters should undestand that its nothing personal if a coup goes down.

    I don’t think you understand how dirty and conniving Labour internal politics are. You know they’re basically owned by the unions, right? And you remember when those students or whatever went out and protested the Auckland harbour protest, and the union protesters got offended, and resorted to hatred and violence. There’s an air of entitlement to the Labour professional, whether politician or union member.

    That’s why you see Len Brown openly squandering so much money on useless crap like too many PR people, or funding unimportant shit that benefits primarily the well to do like council members, i.e. opera. Or Matt McCarten (Labour’s chief of Staff) blatantly stealing the tax money in his union and giving it to the Labour party.

    All you need is for some connected Labour member like Cunliffe who knows the real dirt, who has been dirtied himself, who is prepared to go nuclear if he gets the boot.. and he gets to stand on the pulpit while the circus burns around him.

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  18. lilman (885 comments) says:

    IGM- those accusations are serious,,to put them out and not go to the police is quite wrong.
    If there is something that has happened and you know you should report it.
    If you aren’t prepared to do that then it is very unfair to accuse.
    Besides, labour are dead in the water,wafting and drifting at the mercy of the next rogue wave.

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  19. hj (6,347 comments) says:

    Winstons not doing so bad?

    A large, enthusiastic crowd greeted New Zealand First leader Winston Peters at his public address in Masterton Town Hall yesterday afternoon.

    About 150 people packed out the Frank Cody lounge – with a small crowd standing at the back of the room – and greeted the former Deputy Prime Minister with loud applause.

    In his speech, Mr Peters challenged his audience, with the election looming, to carefully consider what he described as the failure of the current Government to provide for ordinary New Zealanders – “even if you’ve voted for National in the past”.

    “If you believe this is as good as it’s going to get, then I feel sorry for your grandchildren,” he told the crowd, which consisted largely of those aged 60 and over.

    His address touched mainly on the issues of overseas land and company ownership in New Zealand, increased Crown debt, unreasonable house prices, cuts to the police budget and reduced crime reporting, and cost of the Auckland supercity affecting the rest of the country.
    The crowd nodded and made murmurs of affirmation throughout, but it was the topic of immigration which seem to resonate most – especially when the MP mentioned New Zealand was now accepting around 98,000 migrants annually.

    “That’s twice the size of Wairarapa, and then some. They all need schooling, housing and medical costs. And they say that’s going to be good for New Zealand? I say balderdash.”

    The crowd applauded in response.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wairarapa-times-age/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503414&objectid=11260717

    Of course the “”Labour Movement”” just isn’t being progressive enough! This is it’s time :roll:

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  20. thedavincimode (6,530 comments) says:

    Even assuming an element of lalaland in the 8% gain to National, historical voting stats suggest that National has made inroads into core liebour voters, as opposed to the floaters. All the other parties have wobbled around to the typically insignificant extent.

    It seems unlikely they are turning off to cunners – if Mike Bungay’s dog was resurrected as liebour leader they would vote for it. So what’s changed – are they turning off to the prospect of internet/mana and getting twitchy? Was that cunners biggest fuckup?

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  21. Eisenhower (137 comments) says:

    This poll was taken June 14-17, during which time Labour announced its forced-savings policy. I’ve deduced that it hasn’t been well received, and should they persist with it the Greens will supersede them as the main opposition party.

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  22. ShawnLH (3,227 comments) says:

    “Surely this is stretching credibility.”

    No, not at all. Labour has done a fantastic job of making themselves look like negative, out of touch, arrogant hypocrites who treat Kiwi’s as idiots.

    “Nearly 57% of voters are going to vote National with their party vote”

    Expect that to go up with the next set of polls which will take in Cunliffe being exposed, again, as a lying hypocrite.

    I was skeptical about National being able to govern alone. Now I think it’s a real possibility.

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  23. Harriet (4,502 comments) says:

    “………historical voting stats suggest that National has made inroads into core liebour voters, as opposed to the floaters…………So what’s changed – are they turning off to the prospect of internet/mana and getting twitchy? Was that cunners biggest fuckup?………’

    Key is the Son of Hulun.

    That’s what they see, and that’s what conservatives also see. Keys been too lazy.

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  24. James Stephenson (2,018 comments) says:

    and he gets to stand on the pulpit while the circus burns around him.

    Right you lot, there’s your target. Can anyone craft a more mixed and mangled metaphor than that today?

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  25. hj (6,347 comments) says:

    National and Labour are at a dance. Nationals and it’s partner (people doing well -landlords etc) are up there dirty dancing whereas Labours partner is looking decidedly uncomfortable (head glancing at the catering, door, toilet).

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  26. thedavincimode (6,530 comments) says:

    Eisenhower

    Do you think that would have time to register? Although their interest rate/savings policy could have turned off non home-owners by then.

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  27. Dead Earnest (91 comments) says:

    And the poll finished on the 17th. It doesn’t evem take in to account yesterdays fiasco!

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  28. Dead Earnest (91 comments) says:

    Yoza, You are in denial.
    It’s all right, it’s a natural reaction when disaster strikes something you love.
    Stay around Kiwibloggers will support you!

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  29. Chuck Bird (4,668 comments) says:

    The poll does not show the minor parties like the Conservatives and Internet-Mana. Are the available anywhere?

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  30. Keeping Stock (10,095 comments) says:

    It’s a very unappetising Poll Sandwich; a slice of Herald Digi-Poll on the bottom, a hunk of Stuff-Ipsos on top, and a filling of Donghua Liu, seasoned with a copious helping of hypocrisy.

    Is it any wonder that Labour MP’s were looking ill yesterday? :D

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/06/a-poll-sandwich.html

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  31. RRM (9,435 comments) says:

    It seems timely to say something about chickens coming home to roost…

    :-)

    Way to go, Cunners!

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  32. Paulus (2,496 comments) says:

    Labour will keep Cunliffe until after the Election then the man behind the leaks Grant Robertson who has always wanted along with Little Pony if she is still in after the Election – she has to because she is a woman – at least theoretically, under the Caucus rules, although Helen Kelly may be drafted in by the Unions.

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  33. Pete George (22,781 comments) says:

    - National 56.5% (+8.9)
    - Labour 23.2% (-6.2)
    - Greens 11.9% (-0.8)
    - NZ First 3.2% (-0.5)
    - Mana 1.2% (+0/7)
    - Maori Party 0.7% (-1.2)
    - Act 0.7% (-0.2)
    - United Future 0% (-0.1)

    Internet-MANA combined – 2.1%

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  34. Dave_1924 (91 comments) says:

    I find it very, very hard to believe that National will garner enough votes in September to rule alone. The election will be tighter than we think – still a big chunk of undecided voters out there. and if National think any differently they are fools. Discipline, hard work and not counting your chickens should be the mantra for Joyce as campaign manager. And any campaign worker who slacks off should get a real bollocking – ditto for any display of arrogance….

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  35. All_on_Red (1,341 comments) says:

    “Labour hits 23%”
    Meanwhile Judith hits 89!

    Judith (6,651 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 1:23 pm
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  36. georgebolwing (602 comments) says:

    Dave 1924: I agree that the election is National’s to lose. But nothing is going right for the opposition and I don’t think they have convinced the people of New Zealand that they will be better off under a Labour GIMP Government.

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  37. burt (7,797 comments) says:

    23% – How is it that high ? Really…. is there still 23% of people who’ve never noticed that Labour polices ( aka: Union self interest ) always fails ?

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  38. georgebolwing (602 comments) says:

    BTW: where’s Red this morning? I want him to explain why the Conservatives have yet again failed to register more support than Mana?

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  39. burt (7,797 comments) says:

    My advice to Labour – serious blood letting.

    Cunliffe – Resign.
    Mallard – Resign.
    King – Resign.

    Start again for 2017

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  40. Komata (1,109 comments) says:

    burt

    But what ‘competent’ (note that word BTW) individuals would be there to replace them?

    It would only be a case of ‘everybody move up three spaces’ and basically nothing would change.

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  41. flipper (3,538 comments) says:

    I wonder when (if ever) it will dawn on the left that The Real Majority (as Stuart Alsop wrote in his analysis of that name), the mass of uncommitted voters who generally inhabit the centre of the political spectrum, are happy with the course plotted by Key/English/Joyce, and that their left wing wiz bang policies, dredged up from the fifties or earlier, are stale and distinctly unappetising.

    I personally do not believe that even if the poll had been taken in seven days time, to allow for the impact of the latest Cun*liffe cock up, that it would be much different. Mine is an average middle of the road wider family, politically speaking. Apart from myself there is no more than a passing interest in politics. Of course they all lean toward National, but their views are not based upon mini scandals. They are taken for granted, as are the much-ado-about-nothing ersatz issues like Peter Dunne and the GCSB, or whether J Collins had dinner in Shanghai with one or 21 Chinese companies.

    So, to return to the point: Left wing theoretical and union activists tend to be lost in a world of their own. They are simply out of touch. They need to understand that the constituency of the 1930s is no longer. 2014 is a vastly different animal. They need to understand that the great unwashed have put their heads in water, washed the bullshit away from their ears and eyes, and now realise that they were always being conned by the left.

    Oh dear.

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  42. Barnsley Bill (974 comments) says:

    Mike Williams is in full arse covering mode. Just heard him on radio live news claim that “IF There were large cash donations, they certainly did not make it to head office” So he is no longer denying the donations just stepping out of the way of the massive shit bomb coming down the pipe.
    This is a bit like seeing one mouse in your kitchen. One on view means there are ten hiding under the fridge.
    Where could all of these massive cash donations gone?

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  43. burt (7,797 comments) says:

    Komata

    The union movement has run it’s course. It has failed to see that decades ago it had served it’s purpose and done all it needed to do. Now it’s just a bunch of self serving nostalgic fools with wispy dreams of the good old days of fighting the man.

    To be honest – who cares if they just shuffle up 3 spaces – their party is a dead duck anyway.

    But … with old troughers like King and Mallard – they will never rejuvenate and adjust.

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  44. burt (7,797 comments) says:

    Mike Williams is in full arse covering mode.

    The only ass covering Williams should have done is not to ignore the letter warning Labour that their spending would be illegal in 2005. This was the start of the slippery slope of decimation. The voters know Labour are self serving crooks and Williams represents all that is rooted about Labour – He should resign too !

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  45. James Stephenson (2,018 comments) says:

    The suspense is kiling me Barnsley, surely you can drop a hint or two?

    Anyway, I see that Danyl over at Dimpost is theorising that Internet-Mana are both taking votes from the Greens and scaring floating voters away from Labour and over to National…if that is proved to be the practical effect of Krim Dotcom’s revenge mission, there’s no way my Irony-meter isgoing to survive election night. :D

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  46. wreck1080 (3,726 comments) says:

    Could cunliffe be the leader who goes down in history as destroying labour?

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  47. Chthoniid (2,027 comments) says:

    Wow

    If this is corroborated by other polls then Cunliffe and Labour are really in trouble

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  48. thedavincimode (6,530 comments) says:

    Could it be that liu was one of the secret donors to cunners’ campaign?

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  49. James Stephenson (2,018 comments) says:

    @wreck – nah, this is simply the inevitable result of Clark’s purge of the pragmatic and the talented.

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  50. burt (7,797 comments) says:

    Could it be that liu was one of the secret donors to cunners’ campaign?

    Only National have secret donors ..,… lol – Move on !

    CUNLIFFE – RESIGN !

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  51. Dave_1924 (91 comments) says:

    @georgebolwing – I agree there is no narrative to vote Labour. But National can’t afford complacency to pervade its thinking. And arrogance needs to be guarded against big time. The win in September they could set the foundation for a 4 or 5 term government IF they avoid the normal national looking down noses, we are born to rule BS that crops up in some of their MPs and members – Aaron Gilmore anyone?

    @Burt – no I disagree the Unions still have a purpose and that’s representing low skilled workers collectively.

    They have strayed way to far from that purpose by getting to heavily involved in politicing in areas that aren’t their real domain. they should stick to work place safety, fair pay for fair days work. i have seen the hassles my brother has had dealing with a dodgy employer, a nation wide company, and they need standing up to as they are truly taking some serious liberties… unions still have a place in my view.

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  52. PaulL (5,872 comments) says:

    Remember National on similar lows. And talk about how National were finished and never to hold government again. Then the wheel turns, and what do you know, people who looked powerfully average start to look inspired. Predicting the demise of Labour is a fools game, I’d be focusing on making sure that the right win this election.

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  53. Judith (7,528 comments) says:

    @ All_on_Red (1,219 comments) says:
    June 19th, 2014 at 8:45 am

    Yes, Labour hits 23%, which is still not equal to the 21% that National got when English was running the show not so long ago.

    Labour is in the same mess the National party was in back then. An incompetent and unpopular leader. But lets not pretend that this has never happened before to any other party. Labour should have stuck with Shearer and National should never have picked English or Brash. John Key is winning by default and a good PR campaign. And talking about PR campaigns.

    Yes, I got 89 down ticks, and no that isn’t the record.

    But I’d like to give your ‘friends’ some advice about emailing.

    1. When you email your friends to encourage them to log into KB to down tick – use the BCC function so that anyone who subsequently is sent that email cannot see all the previous recipients.

    2. When you post on KB using a non-de-plume – it is not a good idea to take part in a bullying email chain, signing your email with your non-de-plume, but leaving the ‘sender’ details on your email account under your real name (especially if you wish to retain your anonymity).

    3. When you forward such an email to your own contacts, one of who happens to be a MP, its a really good idea to delete previous email answers, especially those that include vile and obscene suggestions including inciting violent attacks on another KB member and their family members – because it is really not a good look for that MP when they reply – it kind of makes them complicit in the threatening and intimidating behaviour.

    4. When you are unsure of the exact identity of the person you are targeting, you need to first make sure that everyone you involve in your bullying and playground childish antics does not have that person on their email list – thus sending all the email and comments to them by default.

    5. When the above happens, you need to then make sure that every other idiot that joins in the game doesn’t just re-hit the reply all button, so the ‘target’ receives all the new replies.

    6. Grow up. We are all entitled to our opinions, but taking it that bit further and encouraging others to take part in what initially was a ‘game’ but ended up with some very sick and vile threats, really doesn’t make any of you look like mature people.

    So now Labour supporters are feeling like you Nats did a few years back when they hit 21% – perhaps you could give them a few friendly hints on how you all coped with that? :-)

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  54. dime (9,392 comments) says:

    “BTW: where’s Red this morning? I want him to explain why the Conservatives have yet again failed to register more support than Mana?”

    I can answer that – 40 years of welfare. the number of people who want free stuff is high.

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  55. burt (7,797 comments) says:

    Dave_1924

    @Burt – no I disagree the Unions still have a purpose and that’s representing low skilled workers collectively.

    Sadly Dave, its now cultivating and exploiting low skilled workers. Low paid workers union fees get donated to highly paid politicians – how is that helping them ?

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  56. burt (7,797 comments) says:

    So now Labour supporters are feeling like you Nats did a few years back when they hit 21% – perhaps you could give them a few friendly hints on how you all coped with that?

    1. Stop trying to re-run failed policies.
    2. Stop trying to re-run failed policies.
    3. Stop trying to re-run failed policies.
    4. Stop trying to re-run failed policies.

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  57. Judith (7,528 comments) says:

    @ burt (7,559 comments) says:
    June 19th, 2014 at 9:39 am

    You coped with that by stopping re-run failed policies? Are you a MP Burt, because if not how did you manage to cope using those tactics?

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  58. burt (7,797 comments) says:

    Judith

    No, I’m not an MP – I couldn’t do that job. Way too much dirt in my background :-)

    I was suggesting what Labour should do.

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  59. Ed Snack (1,734 comments) says:

    The trouble with Danyl’s theory is that I/M scored, what, 2.1% ? Add that to Labour and the Greens in probably equal numbers and you get very slightly less bad news. If they were hitting 10% I might agree, but unless you also posit that there is a significant chunk of people who won’t admit to supporting I/M but have stopped supporting Labour/Green then there simply aren’t enough voters to matter.

    I guess the I/M brand may be helping to disrupt, I can see them attracting votes from the Greens, the old, small hard-left constituency (the Socialist Unity crowd or whatever name they go under these days) are probably happy to have possibly viable hard-left alternative to support. Plus they will probably get some Internet Party clueless Geek types (free internet, wow, that’s, like, awesome man), but who else ?

    But my main concern, DON’T GET COCKY ! We’ve seen this sort of thing before with big changes on election day, so treat the election seriously.

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  60. Judith (7,528 comments) says:

    @ burt (7,560 comments) says:
    June 19th, 2014 at 9:46 am

    There is only one thing labour should do and that is sack the person that they stupidly picked for a leader.

    Cunliffe got there by foul deeds, how could they possibly expect anything more from him? They should have taken note of history – a similar act didn’t get Shipley very far.

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  61. dime (9,392 comments) says:

    Judith – you are a nut job.

    As for labour – im scared to think what bribe they will come out with now.

    If labour had any brains they would be starting a huge search for new people. head hunt. look at their weaknesses:

    1) the party has no blokes. the guy from the west coast maybe passes. find a west auckland bloke. maybe a self employed tradesman.

    2) the party has maybe one woman who looks like shes female. unfortunately shes a communist with no brain whos deluded enough to think she is “young and hip”. find some talented women. not disgusting creatures like carmel

    3) find some people with business experience. not consultants. actual business people who are centre/left

    then clean out the shit like mallard, king, goofball etc etc and move to the centre where the country votes.

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  62. burt (7,797 comments) says:

    Judith

    They should have taken note of history

    If they did that they would abandon socialism, its never worked anywhere ever …..

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  63. Judith (7,528 comments) says:

    @ dime (9,098 comments) says:
    June 19th, 2014 at 9:56 am

    I may very well be a nut job Dime, but I’m not a bully and the one thing I wouldn’t do is suggest, even jokingly, that vile and extreme acts be performed on you or your daughters, just because you don’t happen to agree with my opinion. If being a ‘nut job’ makes me different to those people, then I happily accept that title.

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  64. dime (9,392 comments) says:

    “I may very well be a nut job Dime, but I’m not a bully and the one thing I wouldn’t do is suggest, even jokingly, that vile and extreme acts be performed on you or your daughters, just because you don’t happen to agree with my opinion. If being a ‘nut job’ makes me different to those people, then I happily accept that title.”

    i dont know what youre on about. whenever i see a paragraph from you now i just picture that cat woman off the simpsons

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  65. Judith (7,528 comments) says:

    @ dime (9,099 comments) says:
    June 19th, 2014 at 10:01 am

    That is good that you don’t know what I’m talking about Dime, obviously you weren’t involved.

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  66. Manolo (13,339 comments) says:

    Labour’s ship taking a massive amount of water, and about to sink.
    Very good for NZ.

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  67. ciaron (1,314 comments) says:

    Judith, I think you need to name names or forward the chain to the police.

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  68. All_on_Red (1,341 comments) says:

    Judith
    “1. When you email your friends to encourage them to log into KB to down tick – use the BCC function so that anyone who subsequently is sent that email cannot see all the previous recipients.

    2. When you post on KB using a non-de-plume – it is not a good idea to take part in a bullying email chain, signing your email with your non-de-plume, but leaving the ‘sender’ details on your email account under your real name (especially if you wish to retain your anonymity).

    3. When you forward such an email to your own contacts, one of who happens to be a MP, its a really good idea to delete previous email answers, especially those that include vile and obscene suggestions including inciting violent attacks on another KB member and their family members – because it is really not a good look for that MP when they reply – it kind of makes them complicit in the threatening and intimidating behaviour.

    4. When you are unsure of the exact identity of the person you are targeting, you need to first make sure that everyone you involve in your bullying and playground childish antics does not have that person on their email list – thus sending all the email and comments to them by default.”

    What in earth are you talking about? I don’t mind a robust debate but this is just an unsubstantiated smear and it’s disgraceful to suggest I would indulge in such bullying. Frankly , you’re just not important enough for me to even bother doing such a thing. I suggest to you is that your down ticks are due to the stupidity of what you say. Your reputation as a sanctimonious troll is well established and perhaps the level of down ticks is a sign that the KB community is tired of you.

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  69. All_on_Red (1,341 comments) says:

    Judith
    Do what ciaron says. Go on, put up or shut up. I certainly have nothing to fear.

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  70. thedavincimode (6,530 comments) says:

    When you email your friends to encourage them to log into KB to down tick

    WTF? Why would you bother? That is sooo sad.

    Looks like there has been a security breach amongst the Bainiacs.

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  71. kiwi in america (2,433 comments) says:

    This is frankly a stunning result. The only matter of substance to be in the political arena during the period of this poll is the tail end of the Banks affair and Labour’s compulsory Kiwisaver announcement. The Liu donation scandal and Cunliffe’s disingenuous brain fade concerning his support for Liu has all occurred SINCE this poll. Labour could yet plumb depths lower than National’s annus horribilis in 2002. An unpopular policy is one thing, your leader being told he’s been hoist by his own petard and knocked off the moral high ground by none other than Labour loving John Campbell is another whole new level of polling hurt. Campbell Live is the home of the Labour core. Campbell undermined and attacked Cunliffe’s whole defense. Cunliffe’s actions and this poll tells Labour’s core – hey we’re rooted lets have some fun with my vote this time.

    IMP are still fighting with the Greens for the harder left vote but there will now be some squeamish Labour voters who will bail to either. The more IMP rise in the polls and Labour drops, the more unstable and loony the left coalition looks scaring more to the safety of National. This is light years from Clark isolating the Greens barely on 5% away from the levers of power and a small left leaning partner comprising Labour’s old Party President as leader. That was much easy to sell Labour as a moderate slightly centre left government.

    The only question now left is whether Robertson wants to be the lamb that faces the slaughter.

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  72. PaulL (5,872 comments) says:

    @Judith: when Helen won a third term I was very disappointed and unhappy. I believed up till the end that people would see sense and get rid of a government that was clearly ruining the economy. They didn’t. I see on DimPost and other places people with that same belief about this time round – they seem to think that clearly it’s impossible that 57% of NZ could want things to continue the way they are, don’t people know that the evil business elite are eating babies every day for lunch? I think that those people have now the same delusion that I had then. And they haven’t worked out what National eventually worked out – that elections are won in the centre. The question is whether Labour have anyone left who is centrist (even though National got Brash as leader, they never got rid of the “wets” in their caucus).

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  73. Don the Kiwi (1,587 comments) says:

    Robertson will Reign the Rainbow Room Rectum Reamers

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  74. OTGO (510 comments) says:

    JK get back from USA and go to the polls NOW. You cannot lose.

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  75. burt (7,797 comments) says:

    Judith

    Are you Winston Peters ?

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  76. thedavincimode (6,530 comments) says:

    That’s pretty good Don. Is it an old one you used to use at Sunday school or did you just come up with it?

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  77. Redbaiter (7,560 comments) says:

    Wow, the old cultural watch tower guard has eagle eyes.

    Any breach of prog protocol will be noted and marked against your name Don, no matter how minor.

    Be careful Don, you know what the cultural police do to men like you once they have them in their cells.

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  78. Ed Snack (1,734 comments) says:

    “Be careful Don, you know what the cultural police do to men like you once they have them in their cells.”

    Rainbow ream their rectums ?

    Inquiring minds actually DON’T want to know.

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  79. RRM (9,435 comments) says:

    Don the Kiwi (1,504 comments) says:
    June 19th, 2014 at 10:42 am
    Robertson will Reign the Rainbow Room Rectum Reamers

    Classy.

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  80. Manolo (13,339 comments) says:

    This could lift Labour. 100% supported by the Rainbow Branch and Lynn Prentice:
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/no-straight-people-allowed-dutch-scheme-for-gay-village-sparks-backlash-9547025.html

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  81. Dave_1924 (91 comments) says:

    @ Burt – we are a little off topic but just in reply to your reply : )

    “Sadly Dave, its now cultivating and exploiting low skilled workers. Low paid workers union fees get donated to highly paid politicians – how is that helping them ?”

    precisely what I mean by saying they should stick to their knitting. represent your members in negotiations over pay and conditions, watch over employers who won’t make work places safe and stay away from National Politics… And the practise of taking money from those who desperately need it and giving it to Labour to push their social engineering policies is very dodgy and sad as you say…

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  82. Harriet (4,502 comments) says:

    “…..Robertson will Reign the Rainbow Room Rectum Reamers….’

    It’s sexual marxism that’s fucked the labour party, bought on by feminists and gays.

    Labour is no longer life affirming. Families and the welfare of children no longer matter.

    Labour is the lifestyle party for singles.

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  83. Manolo (13,339 comments) says:

    Express your opinion and vote on dumping Silent T or not:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11276826

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  84. Chris2 (754 comments) says:

    If Cunliffe is so confident about Labour’s support bouncing back he should leave his safe electorate seat, and stand on the List only – middle order somewhere.

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  85. Dead Earnest (91 comments) says:

    And what a masterstroke it was getting Shane Jones out of the equation. The only hope thay would have now of salvaging the once proud party from an electoral rout. But he’s gone. Not even there to re build a more business friendly central left party after the election. Murray McCully take a bow!

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  86. big bruv (13,227 comments) says:

    Of course this is not only bad for Cuntliffe. This latest poll is also a disaster for our old friend Bedwetter.

    It seems that a majority of Kiwis love that “stinking, progressive, vile, lowlife, scumbag, traitor” John Key.

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  87. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (785 comments) says:

    Now that we are on a roll, I am worried about one thing….there is bound to be something bad coming about a National MP….this is too good to be true fellows….

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  88. ShawnLH (3,227 comments) says:

    “There is only one thing labour should do and that is sack the person that they stupidly picked for a leader.”

    Like the last one, and the one before that?

    Labour’s problems are deeper than leadership. Their policies are not gaining any traction with the majority of the public.

    They need to uncouple themselves from the Unions and ultra-liberal social engineers and move to the center, and they need to reassure the public that they will not under any circumstances go into a coalition with IMP. Changing leader’s alone will achieve nothing, and they do not have anyone who could replace Cunliffe anyway.

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  89. ShawnLH (3,227 comments) says:

    “this is too good to be true fellows….”

    Actually I suspect it’s going to get a lot worse for Labour. Both Judith Collins and Key hinted strongly that there is likely to be more damaging revelations. I doubt they would have unless they know something.

    There is going to be a lot of popcorn eaten over the next few weeks. :)

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  90. DavidWr (7 comments) says:

    This poll was not well run. They rang me in the middle of the All Black test on Saturday night – I declined to participate – not that my reply would have helped labour.

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  91. ROJ (84 comments) says:

    They ring people?

    I only ever get rung by call centres with asian accents trying to sign me up to a charity donation

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  92. emmess (1,368 comments) says:

    Some of the breakdowns are very interesting

    http://origin-interactives.stuff.co.nz/polling/
    e.g. National shooting up 20% amongst the young
    Labour and Greens polling roughly equally amongst 45-64 year olds

    And by the way, why was their own poll so hard to find on the Stuff site? Should have been top three story.

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  93. Judith (7,528 comments) says:

    @ ciaron (1,257 comments) says:
    June 19th, 2014 at 10:28 am

    I am not in the habit of naming or outing people on the internet. I accept receipt of the emails was by mistake. I have sent a copy to an appropriate person to deal with them as he sees fit. I do not intend to give the matter any more time – buying in to that sort of carry on only perpetuates it and I’ve already spent more time on it than it warrants.

    @ All on Red

    If you re-read that message, you will note I did not say you were involved. I said “But I’d like to give your ‘friends’ some advice about emailing.”

    The following points were for them. And no, I do not think anyone needs to know who they were – giving naughty bad mannered children space does not work, and it especially does not work for bullies.

    I don’t care if people are sick of me posting here or not – they have the right to not read my posts if they are emotionally troubled by them. I suggest if you feel that way, you exercise the same right.

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  94. OneTrack (2,581 comments) says:

    emmess – “Labour and Greens polling roughly equally amongst 45-64 year olds”

    Hippies that survived the seventies?

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  95. ShawnLH (3,227 comments) says:

    I don’t remotely agree with Judith about most things, but come on guys, abusive emails???

    It’s a BLOG for goodness sakes!

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  96. ROJ (84 comments) says:

    IMP are going to get nervous now. Kelvin Davis might have publicly stood up for the fight, but been OK with coming back with the list if he lost on the night.

    Davis is going to be calculating now that he has only the one chance – get the electorate!

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