Labour in full retreat on immigration

June 5th, 2014 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

David Cunliffe yesterday on Radio Live:

SEAN PLUNKET:        So you’re going to leave family reunification completely out of it?

DAVID CUNLIFFE:     Yep, we’ll leave family reunification out of it.

And Stuff last week:

is taking aim at work visa and family reunification categories as it eyes ways to limit the flow of migrants to the country. …

Labour spokesman Trevor Mallard said there would be no change to the rights of Australians to come here, or to quotas under agreements such as with Samoa or the annual refugee quota.

Instead, it would target the numbers getting work visas, which according to Statistics NZ were granted to about 30,000 last year, as well as visas in the family reunification category.

This is policy on the hoof. They’re making it up every day.

If they can’t even handle opposition, how could they handle Government?

UPDATE: Cunliffe this morning still denying the comments of his own immigration spokespersoon. On ZB with Rachel Smalley he said:

I mean he has frankly made up the suggestion that we would decrease the Samoan or Pacific quotas or cut back on family reunification.  At no stage have we said we would do any of that and frankly it’s not our policy.

The Stuff article makes it very clear they were talking family reunifications.

It seems the only category they’re willing to now concede they may change is investor migrants. We have only a few dozen of those a year. You could scrap the category entirely and impact migration by around 0.5% only.

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45 Responses to “Labour in full retreat on immigration”

  1. Elaycee (4,301 comments) says:

    DPF: This is policy on the hoof. They’re making it up every day.

    And yet Cunliffe et al want us to believe they’re fit for office?

    Scary. [gulp]

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  2. anonymouse (695 comments) says:

    Combine this with the ” we will abolish coat-tailing – but will need the coat-tailers votes to do it”,
    says to me that everything is on the hoof at the moment,

    We are Just over 3 months from an election and they cannot come out with coherent policies, this is politics fail 101….

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  3. Brett Hudson (4,734 comments) says:

    Things are so bad for them that even when Cunliffe blows the whistle, the dogs refuse to come

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  4. queenstfarmer (746 comments) says:

    Cunliffe on The Nation last weekend was all over the place on immigration.

    And what hypocrisy, he “challenged” John Key to state what he thought was an acceptable number of immigrants, but said that Labour will not be giving a number itself – just that it should be “reasonable” and “managed”. Of course, Cunliffe had already given a number but is now lies that he hadn’t, while Key has said that he is comfortable with current immigration.

    It was, frankly, embarrasing from the man who wants to be PM.

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  5. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    when Cunliffe blows the whistle, the dogs refuse to come

    Not so. They wander over and piss on his leg.

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  6. burt (7,806 comments) says:

    Never forget Clark’s arrogant approach to government Labour party style…. The business of government is whatever government define it to be. IE: We make it up as we go along to deliver on our own private agenda to ourselves.

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  7. mjw (220 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  8. queenstfarmer (746 comments) says:

    @mjw, it was Cunliffe who said X and is now saying Y. The rest of us are simply pointing it out.

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  9. b1gdaddynz (279 comments) says:

    mjw – Maybe they should because Labour have no clue what their policy is! DPF is just pointing out the contradiction in what Cunliffe ACTUALLY said you can look up the clips yourself!

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  10. EAD (595 comments) says:

    “Labour in full retreat on immigration” screams the headline.

    Let me fix that for ya:

    “New Zealand culture, free speech, way of life, affordable housing, community cohesion and open debate in full retreat because of mass immigration”

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  11. burt (7,806 comments) says:

    EAD

    Let me re-word that. NZ more desirable place to live after 6 years of National govt compared to prior 9 years of Labour govt.

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  12. hj (6,350 comments) says:

    This is the problem of our system – the bundling of The Voice of The Labour Movement (Iprent Honecker) with a Labour Party – the inability of an electorate to separate issues out.

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  13. gravedodger (1,514 comments) says:

    What a massive exposure of how education can deliver incompetent insanity!

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  14. hj (6,350 comments) says:

    The HRC influence re Dr Gregs Clydesdales discussion paper on PI immigration and (now) kow-towing of political parties shows that we can’t protect our environment and standard of living because we have a fundamentally (politically correct) position that the other must never be seen in a bad light.
    John Key has circled the wagons around property investors. He must win at any cost.

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  15. wreck1080 (3,730 comments) says:

    The thing is, cunliffe is supposed to be the super brain.

    So, what gives? Maybe it is more a mini than a super.

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  16. RightNow (6,658 comments) says:

    “Guess what, you and John Key don’t set Labour policy !”

    Labour’s policies just don’t set.

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  17. EAD (595 comments) says:

    Burt – of course that is true and I don’t dispute that. We are a comparatively wealthy country with wide open spaces. I’d say people from 90% of the world’s countries would come here if they could regardless of who is in power. Sh*t, would any sensible person want to live in a poor, authoritarian dump if they had the choice?

    The problem and fear that people have is, and is the reality which people like DPF ignore, is that by becoming multicultural, we create the same environment which these people were fleeing and destroy what makes us unique. I don’t want to lose that but if we continue on like this we will.

    That debate on our very existence is the debate that needs to be had, not cheap political outscoring which to be frank is of little consequence to our future.

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  18. hj (6,350 comments) says:

    National Labour Green (why we hate Winston):
    We have no fear of migrants. The Green Party says ‘Welcome Home – this is your country now’. Our welcome extends to the families of new migrants. The Green Party policy is fundamentally humanitarian, not exclusionary like Mr Peters’.
    https://www.greens.org.nz/press-releases/greens-counter-peters-welcoming-immigration-policy

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  19. hj (6,350 comments) says:

    The wide open spaces argument needs qualification. Space on it’s own isn’t enough; infrastructure and an economy are needed. There is an idea being promulgated that if we have a free market people will just arrive and start doing exceptional things. In the meantime the construction/people servicing sector does well.

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  20. Nigel (511 comments) says:

    The ability of Labour to govern will hopefully be central to the election, because frankly I don’t think they can.

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  21. Elaycee (4,301 comments) says:

    At what point does Harvard University’s John F. Kennedy School of Government send a letter to Cunliffe asking him to cease mentioning their name and his brief attendance in the same sentence?

    The man is a total embarrassment.

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  22. s.russell (1,563 comments) says:

    Labour could get away with this kind of stuff in the past because no-one (except political junkies) was paying attention. But the proximity of an election focuses people’s minds, making Labour’s blunders ever more damaging.

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  23. burt (7,806 comments) says:

    EAD

    So Labour’s solution to NZ becoming more desirable to live in under a National government is to lock the gates and start their steady progress toward recession like they have done every single time they have been in office for the last 50 years ?

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  24. dime (9,424 comments) says:

    “So you’re going to leave family reunification completely out of it?”

    Doesnt sound like a bad idea to me.

    One bright spark in the family gets in and then a bunch of shit bags arrive afterward.

    I was gonna compare it to Mana and the net party.. but they are shit bags following bags of shit..

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  25. EAD (595 comments) says:

    6 down votes on my 9.45am……

    A lot of people here supremely confident that we’re not going to head the same way as Europe with their “vibrant” and “enriching” brand of “multiculturalism”.

    @ Burt – yes our economy would collapse without those “family reunion” visas. …….. like it is Germans and Japanese and French ans Swiss bringing over all their productive aunts and uncles

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  26. Paulus (2,500 comments) says:

    Does family reunification include such as Ahmed Zaoui who it is reputed to have brought in 18 relatives. ?
    Surely Cunliffe would not stop that ?

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  27. burt (7,806 comments) says:

    EAD

    The economy will collapse under Labour because their policies of redistribution, intervention and command and control stuff shit up. It’s called social engineering – and it doesn’t work. Immigration is red herring that normally only Winston gets a free pass for using to his own advantage whipping up hysteria – what made Cunliffe think he could behave like Winston ?

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  28. burt (7,806 comments) says:

    The bottom line is – Immigration is only an issue because we have unsustainable social polices due to the misguided belief that socialism works when it’s never worked anywhere. Extra people just make it fail faster – it’s always going to fail – it’s socialism – that’s what it does – FAIL.

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  29. davidp (3,540 comments) says:

    Anonymouse>Combine this with the ” we will abolish coat-tailing – but will need the coat-tailers votes to do it”, says to me that everything is on the hoof at the moment,

    Coat-tailing wasn’t an issue at the 2011 election… there were no coat-tailors. I doubt if ACT or Dunne are going to bring in a second MP on the basis of their expected electorate wins. Labour want to change the law with some urgency. So why doesn’t National agree with them, and propose changing the law before the election? Labour could either support it and therefore keep Harre out of parliament. Or change their mind again, oppose it, and look like hopeless hypocrites they are.

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  30. Pete George (22,804 comments) says:

    So why doesn’t National agree with them, and propose changing the law before the election?

    Rushing a law change through on election rules just before an election would be worse than rushing one through just after an election.

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  31. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (786 comments) says:

    To the rich pricks who post here ridiculing Cunliffe, here are some facts of life according to Messiah:

    1. I still have time
    2. I am still learning
    3. People are starting to like me
    4. The more they know me, the better they like me
    5. The polls are moving in the right direction
    6. We are able to magically build 9 houses in a day (10,000 houses in 3 years) and none of the idiots in MSM have questioned us how that is physically possible
    7. We will abolish coat tailing but at the same time use the coat tail to get into power
    8. We will reduce immigration by doing nothing. How you may ask? Nobody will ever come here when I am in power
    9. People trust me, because I have my own trust…take that uncle Key
    10. Everybody loves me including my own caucus…just me in my own caucus

    Vote for me because I am the only one capable of making policies on the spot.

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  32. burt (7,806 comments) says:

    Pete George

    Worse … how can having a legally binding position before an election be worse than making shit up after you’ve been given a mandate to … do something ? We know what needs to be done …

    Doh, hang on… The problem will be the law will be passed and then MPs from all sides of the house will ignore it and say it was confusing and others were doing it too… Yeah, lets move on.

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  33. burt (7,806 comments) says:

    Sir Cullen

    Comical Cunliffe – we are winning in a landslide in September.

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  34. EAD (595 comments) says:

    Burt 10.47

    I agree 100% with your above post.

    Despite what politicians would have us believe, people around the world are essentially the same in that they want what is best for their family. Under a socialist, redistributive (yes this includes the nats) government, they will play divide and rule, playing racial groups off against each other in order that their group gets more loot by insisting we are mere sums of a racial group rather than autonomous individuals. This has happened time and time again until the country ends up ruled by an iron fist due to the resentment caused and inevitable social chaos.

    It doesn’t happen over night, but history repeats again and again. A socialist utopia cannot be built despite each new idiot that comes along saying “this time is different”………it never is

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  35. tvb (4,202 comments) says:

    Cunliffe was once immigration Minister. I cannot believe he would engage on dog whistle politics on such a complex issue. He has given John Key a free pass which Key is making full use of around the pacific

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  36. OneTrack (2,598 comments) says:

    “This is policy on the hoof. They’re making it up every day”

    So condition normal then.

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  37. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (786 comments) says:

    tvb (4,065 comments) says:
    June 5th, 2014 at 11:30 am
    Cunliffe was once immigration Minister. I cannot believe he would engage on dog whistle politics on such a complex issue. He has given John Key a free pass which Key is making full use of around the pacific

    But the sad side of the story is Pasifika people still innocently trust Labour thinking Labour is the only party that will help them….exactly like the Maori people think….

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  38. OneTrack (2,598 comments) says:

    “So, what gives? Maybe it is more a mini than a super.”

    I’m thinking Z80.

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  39. Harriet (4,513 comments) says:

    “…..He has given John Key a free pass which Key is making full use of around the pacific….”

    And what Colin Craig will make use of around Auckland.

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  40. G152 (147 comments) says:

    One Track
    “So, what gives? Maybe it is more a mini than a super.”

    I’m thinking Z80.

    More like a broken abacus

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  41. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    So lets throw some numbers around this most recently updated liebour dog whistle policy. (Observation timed at 13:10:31 hrs).

    The revised immigration cap will now result in – is it three or four – houses being stolen from under the noses of hard-working Kiwi families?

    edit: Talk about the incredible shrinking policy – lots of noise and brouhaha and it eventually just fizzles out into nothing as the heat comes on.

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  42. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    Like Neil Young live with CSNY (on ‘Deja Vu’?) in one of the great introductions (was it to ‘Southern Man’?):

    “This song starts off real slow – and then it kinda fizzles out into nothing”.

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  43. ross411 (220 comments) says:

    queenstfarmer (721 comments) says:
    June 5th, 2014 at 9:22 am
    Cunliffe on The Nation last weekend was all over the place on immigration.

    I’m surprised you could tell.

    I made the mistake of watching The Nation once right after he became leader. It was the limpest interview I’ve seen in a long time (excepting John Campbell with his friend Len Brown and that softball PR event). Cunliffe just pedalled out smarmy double speak and meaningless canned lines, you couldn’t tell if he was in any place let alone all over the place.

    Then on the same show they had John Key. The presenter was practically harassing him and not letting him finish what he was saying. It was perplexing given the presenter had let Cunliffe repeat his canned lines over and over.

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  44. ross411 (220 comments) says:

    thedavincimode (6,209 comments) says:
    June 5th, 2014 at 1:13 pm
    So lets throw some numbers around this most recently updated liebour dog whistle policy. (Observation timed at 13:10:31 hrs).

    The revised immigration cap will now result in – is it three or four – houses being stolen from under the noses of hard-working Kiwi families?

    edit: Talk about the incredible shrinking policy – lots of noise and brouhaha and it eventually just fizzles out into nothing as the heat comes on.

    I want someone with video editing skills to gather all the news articles and videos, and put a time lapse of the hot air being let out of the policy.

    i.e. Video of announcement against immigration (with subtitles highlighting initial claims with involved numbers). Video/screenshot of subsequent announcements (with more subtitles and decreasing numbers). No smarmy political snark, just letting the strangeness of it all speak for itself.

    Upload to YouTube and circulate link.

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  45. OneTrack (2,598 comments) says:

    ross411 – “Cunliffe just pedalled out smarmy double speak and meaningless canned lines, you couldn’t tell if he was in any place let alone all over the place.”

    And now, after all this time, he is is no better.

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