Police must investigate Liu donations to Labour

June 21st, 2014 at 11:30 am by David Farrar

John Banks has just been found guilty of signing an incorrect donation return, and there is now evidence that ’s 2007 donation return was incomplete.

The Herald reports:

Millionaire businessman has confirmed for the first time that he donated to the Labour Party.

The 53-year-old has been at the centre of political scandals involving National and Labour for months but yesterday broke his silence to say he had given “equally to Governments of both colours”.

National declared a $22,000 donation in 2012, but Labour found no records of Liu donations after the Herald revealed that he paid $15,000 for a book at an auction fundraiser in 2007.

Unless the donations were under $10,000 (and no one is seriously suggesting that) they had to be declared – either under his name, or bundled up as part of someone else’s donation (a practive illegal today, but allowed in 2007).

However Labour say they have no record at all of any donation. That suggests a serious issue. Who was the money paid to? Was it in cash or cheque? Why was it not passed to Labour Head Office? Where did it end up.

The Police need to investigate and have those questions answered.

But Liu said he would not make any further comments about or swear an affidavit outlining dollar amounts.

He denied allegations from former Labour Party minister Rick Barker that he was “drip feeding” information about his links to Labour.

Mr Barker, who was a guest of Liu at a lavish dinner on a Yangtze River cruise, had challenged the wealthy businessman to go public about allegations of donations to the party.

“It’s important to remember that over the years I’ve given equally to Governments of both colours,” said Liu. “As a private citizen it’s not for me to make declarations about donations and political relationships.”

That’s not good enough, when the donations have not been disclosed. The Police should interview Mr Liu and ask him how much he donated, and who he gave the money to. Then that person or persons need to explain where the money went.

I believe Labour Head Office when they say they have no record of the donation. But it must have gone to someone. Who?

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40 Responses to “Police must investigate Liu donations to Labour”

  1. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Bet Fairfax and Parliamentary Press Gallery journos would not have a whip-around for McCready to fund a private prosecution against Labour!

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  2. itstricky (1,831 comments) says:

    If you demand this DPF you’d better give ya Nat. mates a heads up that one from that year would also be heading their way. As per GE
    A week back:

    Graeme Edgeler (3,249 comments) says:
    June 17th, 2014 at 9:57 am
    A prosecution is time-barred.
    Suspect this wasn’t declared for the same reason that the apparent $200,000 fundraiser (as reported by the NBR) run by National in 2007 wasn’t declared.

    There are quotes from the NBR article here: http://liberation.typepad.com/liberation/2010/12/pansy-wongs-dubious-solicitation-of-political-funding.html

    One donor apparently paid $50,000 for John Key’s tie. This seems pretty analogous to buying Clark’s book. My guess is that National’s fundraiser was washed through the Waitemata Trust, and Labour’s was done similarly, either the funds raised were all donated in the name of one of the other donors, or went through one of the lawyer’s trust accounts. If you’ve evidence it wasn’t, I look forward to seeing it, but, as I note at the beginning, it’s too late to do anything about it now.

    Look at the Herald PIC – four Labour connection, four National connection. Interesting that you think you’ve the moral high ground out of that combo

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  3. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Well there would seem to be several nominees.
    No names but one could look at leaders, ex leaders, ex party Presidents, Ex Mps including and some current nes.
    Well the net could catch a lot of fish and totara trees.

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  4. Nookin (3,343 comments) says:

    Here is one for the conspiracy theorists. Just as we have a situation crying out for the don quixote of prosecutorial litigation to emerge from his cave and tilt at the windmills of glaring hypocrisy, a court declares that he has no standing!

    Oh, the timing of it all! Did Cunliffe know? What involvement did he have in stymying McCready?

    Was the labour party aware that the lid of its cesspool of deceit was about to be lifted and somehow nobbled the caped crusader? We may never know. T’would make a good rumour, though!

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  5. flipper (4,065 comments) says:

    itstricky (1,433 comments) says:

    June 21st, 2014 at 11:50 am

    If you demand this DPF you’d better give ya Nat. mates a heads up that one from that year would also be heading their way. As per GE
    ****

    Dream on sticky….. you will arrive at a sticky end.

    Labour has been digging its grave for some considerable time. It is now quite deep, and fast filling with SEWAGE, but they dig on, and on.

    The Electoral Act (as it was, is) is no longer the issue. It seems to be the Crimes Act. Oh dear.

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  6. burt (8,269 comments) says:

    Surely it’s not too late to sa as say, moo moo ma ma move on.

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  7. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    I think the issue has moved on from being a lack of declaration of a donation to the theft of the funds.
    Large amounts of dosh have gone into the Labour machine and just vanished.

    Police can require Liu to answer the simple questions of how much , when and to whom it was paid and then its all on.

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  8. niggly (830 comments) says:

    The Police need to investigate and have those questions answered.

    Hope so and talk about the delicious irony of unintended consequences that are poised to smack Labour in the face if the Police make do their promise to become more involved in prosecuting these breaches (i.e. all as a result of McCready taking on the Police and Banks, Cunliffe/Robertson taking on Williamson over Liu etc)!

    If I were Labour watching this disaster play out before the election I’d be wishing back to the good old days of Shearer holding up two dead fish, at least that was a bit of theatre gone somewhat wrong. Today the entire Labour Party are smelling like dead fish to most of the electorate as a result of their underhand actions!

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  9. itstricky (1,831 comments) says:

    Dream on sticky….. you will arrive at a sticky end.

    So no denying that’s pretty much the same thing? Sounds awfully familiar if you read the whole post…

    Yesterday the National Party hierarchy insisted the donation was handled by the book but several informed party sources told the National Business Review of their concern over the whereabouts of this donation and how it was accounted for….

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  10. coge (190 comments) says:

    It’s beginning to appear someone trousered this donation. Who had the money last?, would be a good place to start.

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  11. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

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  12. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    itstricky (1,434 comments) says:
    June 21st, 2014 at 12:16 pm
    Dream on sticky….. you will arrive at a sticky end.

    So no denying that’s pretty much the same thing? Sounds awfully familiar if you read the whole post…

    Yesterday the National Party hierarchy insisted the donation was handled by the book but several informed party sources told the National Business Review of their concern over the whereabouts of this donation and how it was accounted for….

    So someone purchased JK’s for $50,000 (a fool and their money ….) Is there any proof that this amount was actually paid over? A receipt etc – It would be great to get a shot of evidence (the receipts etc) from both incidents, and frame it. I’m sure that’s a picture that could be sold for plenty as a symbol of the state on NZ politics.

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  13. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    Didn’t Graeme Edgeler say that the time had passed for investigations into 2007 electoral law violations?

    A great pity if so…

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  14. bringbackdemocracy (427 comments) says:

    Despite all this sleaze there are decent New Zealanders prepared to support decent political parties with donations.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10185321/Thanks-very-much-for-the-kind-donation

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  15. wiseowl (895 comments) says:

    What on earth was Barker doing anyway?
    What was his lavish dinner all about? Milk products?

    How many more of these rich immigrants have ‘looked after’ any of our MP’s or parties.
    This category of immigrant needs eliminating.

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  16. Manolo (13,774 comments) says:

    Graeme Edgeler, the German fraudster Kim Dot Com’s legal eagle? :-)

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  17. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    As far as I’m aware, there is no time limit or statute of limitations for the crime of theft. This no longer is an electoral donations issue, more and more, it looks like a case of theft from the Labour Party.

    Quack quack quack = duck duck duck.

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  18. Eisenhower (137 comments) says:

    Its rather odd that Labour don’t appear to be concerned that they had/have a thief in their midst or that vital campaign funds disappeared.

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  19. kowtow (8,475 comments) says:

    Bigger picture than alleged theft by Labour.

    Citizenship for sale.That’s what the cops should be looking at.

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  20. David Garrett (7,278 comments) says:

    ..and just to make the plot thicker still…Cunliffe apparently said on TV this morning that he suspected Liu had given “more to the Nats than to labour”…in other words Labour received SOME money but the Nats got more…Now ” a spokesman for David Cunliffe” says that the clear implication of Cunliffe’s statement was not in fact correct, and that Labour got nothing…

    As someone else has said…a full on enquiry into what this shady prick gave to who and when seems to be strongly indicated…

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  21. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    The dumbarse just doesn’t know when to keep his mouth shut.

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  22. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    Think you miss the point itstricky, but then that’s probably deliberate given your one eyed stance, or lean, to the far left.

    For the last few weeks, labour have been set about digging ANYTHING they can on Judith Collins, in an attempt to smear her and by association JK and National. The innuendo and statements under privilege have been appalling.

    The moral high ground that Cunn.liffe took over Maurice Williamson…

    And now, when found to be lacking in that same moral high ground, the cry’s of dirty smear campaign ring hollow with most NZ’ers I suspect. Have National NOT declared any donations? I don’t know, but if they have broken the rules, they should be punished. If labour have, likewise. I think most here would agree with that – except you of course, and various bellends named ross. Its 90 days or so to the election, and I suspect we haven’t seen the worst of what labour have been up to.

    I hope so, because I really want to see National govern alone. I want to see them exclude a deal with the mad Craig and the useless ACT, and consolidate what they have done for NZ, despite weddy calling them progs and anything else because they don’t drive to work in a horse and cart.

    Labour chose this course, as deliberately as one does driving down a motorway. It may yet see the splintering and destruction of it as a political force. I hope so. They are beneath contempt.

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  23. Paulus (2,627 comments) says:

    Why is Mr Liu being made out to the Bad Guy ?

    He as a private citizen gave money quite legitimately to two political parties.

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  24. kowtow (8,475 comments) says:

    Paulus.

    Cos he knocks the missus about?

    Cos he can buy influence and priveliges the rest of us don’t….

    Cos the whole thing ain’t the way “we kiwis go about our business’ ( Mind you our culture does appear to be rapidly changing)

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  25. David Garrett (7,278 comments) says:

    I am a bit surprised how the MSM has turned as one on Cunliffe…Not one outlet or commentator has said “nothing to see here, move on”.. amazing given their earlier highly partisan treatment of Labour…

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  26. ShawnLH (5,063 comments) says:

    Maybe they didn’t have much of a choice given the scale of the scandal, but kudos to the MSM for a change. Rather than soft-soaping this they have gone after Labour like a pack of wolves! :)

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  27. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “That’s not good enough, when the donations have not been disclosed. The Police should interview Mr Liu and ask him how much he donated, and who he gave the money to.”

    The Police should F-Off

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  28. big bruv (13,895 comments) says:

    David Garrett

    “I am a bit surprised how the MSM has turned as one on Cunliffe”

    Are you really surprised?, you worked with the man, you know how much of an arrogant wanker he is, does it really surprise you that the press gallery can see through him as well even allowing for their obvious left wing bias?

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  29. deckboy (18 comments) says:

    I may consider subscribing to the Herald again after this if they keep it up until the election.

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  30. UpandComer (537 comments) says:

    Judith is insufferable. It’s like if Labour says someone might burn the house down, we won’t notice their barn is on fire. You don’t seem to get it Judith. Labour have been smearing for months, while sitting proudly atop a steaming pile of criminal activity. Can’t find any records? Sure, we believe you guys.. This is why you and your party are viewed with contempt. Hypocrites and liars.

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  31. David Garrett (7,278 comments) says:

    BB: Actually I had very little to do with Cunliffe…but it was pretty obvious he had few mates in his own caucus…he would often be sitting alone in the Koru club when we were all waiting to fly home on a Thursday night…that was unusual…

    You would sometimes even have one of the Labour members joining “our” group…although strangely almost never the other way around…Cunliffe was obviously not even welcome with his own…

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  32. ross411 (838 comments) says:

    UpandComer (501 comments) says:
    June 21st, 2014 at 3:32 pm
    Judith is insufferable. It’s like if Labour says someone might burn the house down, we won’t notice their barn is on fire. You don’t seem to get it Judith. Labour have been smearing for months, while sitting proudly atop a steaming pile of criminal activity. Can’t find any records? Sure, we believe you guys.. This is why you and your party are viewed with contempt. Hypocrites and liars.

    The problem with talking reason to a consummate moaner, is that they just want to put their negativity onto anyone who will absorb it. But the flow doesn’t lessen, it just increases to fill the space opened for it.

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  33. RF (1,398 comments) says:

    ross411. 4.37pm. Its our fault for feeding the troll. Note to self… Ignore Judith.

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  34. Jim Rose (35 comments) says:

    $50,000 for a tie! Puts a new meaning on chook raffles

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  35. burt (8,269 comments) says:

    Ok, so this tie. Was it declared ?

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  36. goldnkiwi (1,304 comments) says:

    I feel ripped off, none of JK’s ties were on offer at the auction I went to. I might have bid. ;)

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  37. big bruv (13,895 comments) says:

    David Garrett

    I really enjoy your little inside stories about life in the house. Who else was an obvious “no mates”, or was deeply unpopular with everybody during your time?

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  38. itstricky (1,831 comments) says:

    The problem with talking reason to a consummate moaner, is that they just want to put their negativity onto anyone who will absorb it. But the flow doesn’t lessen, it just increases to fill the space opened for it.

    I hope igm is taking notes.

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  39. itstricky (1,831 comments) says:

    Think you miss the point itstricky, but then that’s probably deliberate given your one eyed stance, or lean, to the far left.

    Ho de ho, you crack me up.

    DPF is calling for an immediate investigation into the purchase of a book @ auction in 2007.

    He hasn’t mentioned anything about the purchase of a tie @ auction in 2007.

    I’m holding my breath. Hope he comes through soon or I’ll axphyxiate.

    Whilst I’m holding my breath, I will try desperately to mutter “DPF started it, sure hope he can finish it…”

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  40. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    In lieu of Liu, what can we do?
    Those we can tap are just too few.
    For ever rises our campaign bill,
    So NZ with oligarchs fill.

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