Winston forgets his own scheme?

June 17th, 2014 at 6:47 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Winston Peters has called out Dame Jenny Shipley over the debate but said she’ll never do it because he will make a mockery of her.

The veteran New Zealand First leader had immigration and the super scheme high on his agenda at a Grey Power meeting in Hamilton, where he promised members free GP visits and discounted power bills for SuperGold card holders.

More than 100 over-50s packed the Age Concern headquarters in Hamilton yesterday to hear Peters go on the attack against “so-called retirement experts” who wanted to lift the age of entitlement, reduce pensions and cut back health and home help.

He said Dame Jenny, chair of the Financial Services Council, wanted to privatise the retirement system and issued her with the challenge.

This is one of his bigger hypocrisies.

It was Peters who in 1997 proposed a scheme to effectively privatise the retirement system and have compulsory individual finds for everyone. It was Shipley who campaigned against the scheme – and won.

He told Grey Power members more than $22 billion in fees would be siphoned off Kiwisaver over the next 30 years to many offshore accounts and said he would start a “Kiwifund” after the election.

“It will be a state-owned and run alternative but run by you and owned by you because those people in your age will be saving in that plan.”

KiwiBank already has a fund, so Peters is promising something that already exists.

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23 Responses to “Winston forgets his own scheme?”

  1. redqueen (567 comments) says:

    Ahh…senility is finally setting in…

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  2. duggledog (1,559 comments) says:

    Anybody see the story on 20/20 about the charity hospital running in Christchurch which does the surgeries the state system basically doesn’t have the money to do?
    Anybody paying quite a bit of money on school fees?
    Anybody in Kiwisaver to save for their retirement as we all know the Super ain’t going to be enough?

    I am not banking on much help from the government in my old age. Also expect the hospitals to be full of diabetes & obesity related patients so I’ll need health insurance. What the f*** am I paying my taxes for.

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  3. gump (1,650 comments) says:

    It doesn’t really matter if Winston has forgotten his own scheme.

    What matters is if the constituents he is addressing have forgotten the scheme (and sadly – they probably have).

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  4. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    Once again Peters proves that it’s easy to see what he is up to. Whatever Winston accuses others of he is either doing or did himself. Every single time !

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  5. flash2846 (287 comments) says:

    The Peters faithful would believe Peters could fly if he claimed it. Pathetic wankers shouldn’t be voting!

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  6. Harriet (4,975 comments) says:

    duggledog#

    “…Anybody paying quite a bit of money on school fees?…”

    How much a year – there abouts. [i live in aus] I’d be interested to know as the NZ govt educate 92% of kids.

    So how can Labour be against charter schools when the parents are already paying ‘private fees’ to the state system – parents should then have the choice between ‘topping up their childs state school’ OR charter schools – surely?

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  7. thedavincimode (6,800 comments) says:

    Since his reappearance in the last three years it has become increasingly evident that Peters’ years of indulgence in the jungle juice have taken their toll on him. Aside from being pissed in question time the other week, his stumbling confused speech is becoming more and more pronounced. My recollection of his downfall in 2008 was that part of it was attributable to his inability to keep track of the lies he was telling.

    Consequently, it is quite likely that he had genuinely forgotten his own scheme.

    He had his opportunity to bow out and disappear after 2008 but he appears determined to continue to embarrass himself. Now, he isn’t just a laughing stock with 97% of the voting population, but with the press gallery as well. His only supporters are a group of greedy self-interested lawn bowlers who have a mental capacity that is even more diminished than Peters’. He relies upon their stupidity for the sole purpose of keeping his parliamentary salary.

    The fact that he is so determined to continue embarrassing himself and suffer being surrounded by the motley bunch of losers he has gathered about him in his caucus is testament to how desperate he is to keep his snout at the trough.

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  8. Changeiscoming (190 comments) says:

    This has got nothing to do with his age redqueen, it has everything to do with his values. And Mr Peters is a flat out liar, he just can’t help himself. he thinks it is ok to lie as long as the end result is what he wants.

    Oh how we need some honest politicians.

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  9. Elaycee (4,393 comments) says:

    @thedavincimode: There is a rumour doing the rounds that WRP is hanging out for a knighthood. Indeed, some wags have even suggested this may be his price for parliamentary support.

    [gulp]

    Scary….

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  10. Rich Prick (1,705 comments) says:

    “Kiwifund”. Wow, how imaginative.

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  11. ROJ (121 comments) says:

    So long as he doesn’t get a constituency, and stays below 5%, he at least is making sure that the fools voting for him don’t get to use those votes for a worse outcome

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  12. Floyd60 (92 comments) says:

    I wonder what John Key was saying in 1997?

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  13. Rich Prick (1,705 comments) says:

    What’s your point Floyd? Key wasn’t in Parliament in 1997, but don’t let that get in the way of any derangement syndrome.

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  14. Evadne (88 comments) says:

    Duggledog @ 6:58.

    You’re asking the wrong question. You’re not paying taxes for your own benefit – and certainly not in anticipation of your future needs come sickness or retirement. Your taxes are “redistribution” to everyone else. To make it fair, you know.

    (Because it’s not fair or equal that some people work hard, save money, make good life choices, look after their bodies & health and others…don’t.)

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  15. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    Duggledog
    I am not banking on much help from the government in my old age. Also expect the hospitals to be *full of diabetes & obesity related patients* so I’ll need health insurance.
    ….
    and migrants.

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  16. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    He said 68,000 immigrants aged 55 were entitled to super after 10 years’ residence in New Zealand, on top of health and welfare benefits, he said. “They get the same as anyone who has paid taxes for 40 or 50 years in this country but if anybody raises that or when I raise it we are called racist and xenophobic.”
    ……
    bottom line the expected benefits of immigration policy changes in the 1990’s haven’t materialised (“diversity dividend” aside).

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  17. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    Evadne (67 comments) says:
    (Because it’s not fair or equal that some people work hard, save money, make good life choices, look after their bodies & health and others…don’t.)
    ……….
    The good old protestant ethic doesn’t apply to the Finance Insurance Real Estate economy.

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  18. ross411 (842 comments) says:

    duggledog (1,234 comments) says:
    June 17th, 2014 at 6:58 am
    I am not banking on much help from the government in my old age. Also expect the hospitals to be full of diabetes & obesity related patients so I’ll need health insurance. What the f*** am I paying my taxes for.

    Isn’t it irrelevant unless you have diabetes or obesity related illnesses? Really, all those self indulgent gluttons (and the unfortunate who were genetically predisposed despite a life of restraint) will be on the diabetes and obesity list. The rest of us will be on the failing heart, failing bone and mind disease lists in our dotage.

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  19. ross411 (842 comments) says:

    Elaycee (4,209 comments) says:
    June 17th, 2014 at 8:50 am
    @thedavincimode: There is a rumour doing the rounds that WRP is hanging out for a knighthood. Indeed, some wags have even suggested this may be his price for parliamentary support.

    I’ve yet to see someone getting a knighthood who deserved it. It long ago became a form of coin to reward one’s friends, with it occasionally being given as a political act to famous people in order to give it some form of fake legitimacy to the younger crowd. Then again, long ago was likely even back when kings knighted people with a sword in front of their throne and wanted to buy favour or reward the faithful.

    He must be declining mentally if he thinks it has value worth hanging around for.

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  20. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Floyd60 (76 comments) says:
    June 17th, 2014 at 9:07 am
    I wonder what John Key was saying in 1997?

    “One, two, three, four million, sixteen, seventeen, um… damn, lost count. Have to start again … one, two ” :P

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  21. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    Judith

    Your slip is showing, we’ll avert our eyes while you tuck yourself in.

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  22. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    What the hell? He forgets his single best policy and his greatest, and least justified defeat?

    At this rate I’ll be expecting a Christmas card come December :-D

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  23. Shazzadude (529 comments) says:

    Privatised super scheme v no super scheme is a completely different argument to a privatised super scheme v a state super scheme.

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