A potentially cunning move by Peters

July 20th, 2014 at 2:00 pm by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

NZ First Leader Winston Peters is taking the fight to Colin Craig by refusing to rule out standing against the Conservative Party Leader in .

Mr Peters said many people had suggested he stand in East Coast Bays given the “outrage” of a potential deal between Mr Craig and National.

“I think it’s an exciting thought… we’ll wait around and think about it.

“I’m not ruling that out.”

That’s quite cunning. If National didn’t stand, who would win the seat? It would also give NZ First a lot of publicity.

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36 Responses to “A potentially cunning move by Peters”

  1. jaba (2,120 comments) says:

    and the publicity is free

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  2. PaulL (6,030 comments) says:

    When do the nominations close – i.e. what’s the last day before Peters needs to put his name on the ballot or not? I’ve always been a bit dubious that McCully would stand aside, but even a cup of tea type arrangement could be problematic. But if Key does nothing till nominations close, then does whatever he wanted to do, it’d be too late for Peters.

    This is basically an opportunity for Peters to grandstand, gain some oxygen, and then having actually done nothing at all, claim that he “stopped National from making an accommodation” with no evidence at all that National ever planned one. It’s classic conspiracy theory – create a situation where someone doing exactly nothing is evidence of their ill intent.

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  3. adze (2,089 comments) says:

    Is there a large population of elderly xenophobes in ECB?

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  4. thedavincimode (6,612 comments) says:

    Would this mean re-establishing his campaign headquarters at Kermadec; being the closest he got to Tauranga? Or would the old drunk find it more convenient to locate at Sails in St Marys Bay so that he only has to stumble a short distance home?

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  5. peterwn (3,239 comments) says:

    If I were in John Key’s shoes I would want to keep all options open until the last minute. One possibility would be to stand a ‘minor’ passive candidate who could ‘attract’ votes at the last minute if need be.

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  6. thedavincimode (6,612 comments) says:

    Au contraire adze – I understand they are all migrants (there’s a laff). ECB is the new Durban of the South Pacific.

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  7. Ross Miller (1,686 comments) says:

    Just another reason (759) for National not to attempt a deal with the Conservatives (noting especially their statement that ‘they’ could just as easily go with Labour.

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  8. thedavincimode (6,612 comments) says:

    memo to Jan

    If he sets up at Sails, put a tag around his neck so he can be returned to his owner if he flakes out under a hedge on the way home.

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  9. wiseowl (861 comments) says:

    Peters made two different statements over this. On One he said it was the medias idea and on TV 3 he said he may stand in ECB.
    No credibility.
    And Ross ,in the event that Labour attracted the highest vote (Dog help us) who would you deal with?

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  10. SGA (983 comments) says:

    thedavincimode at 2:12 pm

    Au contraire adze – I understand they are all migrants (there’s a laff). ECB is the new Durban of the South Pacific.

    Actually, I’m genuinely left wondering what their views on immigration would be? Any thoughts dvm?

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  11. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    NZ First is going to rocket up on election day.

    NO false rumour ploy will work against them this time…which I understand came from Mr Farrar himself

    Though he may correct me….with a demerit no doubt.

    But I did not know an MP could stand for any electorate willy nilly. Don’t they have to reside in their electorate ?

    [DPF: 20 demerits]

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  12. JC (942 comments) says:

    “This is basically an opportunity for Peters to grandstand, gain some oxygen, and then having actually done nothing at all, claim that he “stopped National from making an accommodation” with no evidence at all that National ever planned one.”

    That was my thought with this additional feature.. Peters is pretty sure Key is not going to accommodate Craig so the old bugger gets an extra chuckle out it.

    JC

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  13. thedavincimode (6,612 comments) says:

    SGA

    I imagine that they were very pro-immigration when they came over!

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  14. SGA (983 comments) says:

    thedavincimode at 2:44 pm

    SGA
    I imagine that they were very pro-immigration when they came over!

    That much I figured out for myself :-)

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  15. 3-coil (1,215 comments) says:

    In ECB the MSM will be clambering over themselves and will rally to knobble Colin Craig (easy pickings for them to nullify a few % of the total NZ-wide right-of-centre vote) and if Winnie contests he may slip through with a seat (and offset some of the National vote to boot) – huge win/win as far as leftist MSM are concerned.

    Cocky and confident National party supporters should be careful what they wish for, when they align with the MSM to ensure the dissatisfied voters moving to the Conservatives are wasted.

    National have not won this election yet.

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  16. big bruv (13,702 comments) says:

    Winston will not stand. His ego could not handle being beaten. It matters not if McCully stands, Winston will not win the seat anyway.

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  17. ChardonnayGuy (1,197 comments) says:

    The indescribable versus the unelectable?

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  18. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “The indescribable versus the unelectable?”

    Which is which or is the irony they are both the same

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  19. Ross Miller (1,686 comments) says:

    wiseowl 2.33 … (do we have something in common? I digress) To answer your question. I take it you are talking nationally and were Labour to poll more votes than National it would be all over rover. It would be a Labour/Green/Whatever Government.

    National would be on the sidelines and John Key would probably be President of the World Bank.

    p.s. I agree that credibility and Peters don’t go together.

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  20. ChardonnayGuy (1,197 comments) says:

    w/b: Good question. Both are indescribable and with any luck, they’ll finish each other off and prove unelectable too! :)

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  21. Grizz (591 comments) says:

    McCully should just come out and say that he is standing. He should then wait to the very last minute before registering as a candidate. I cannot see them doing a deal with the Conservatives. Anyway, should they, it should be kept quiet and Colin Craig can sign up at the last minute instead of McCully and they just come out and say that they struck a deal. If Winston registers in the meantime, then McCully register at the last minute, just like he had “intended to do”

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  22. Chthoniid (2,033 comments) says:

    @PaulL

    Agreed, its just opportunism on Peter’s part

    The McCully Billboards are already up.
    National not standing a candidate would be rank manipulation of the voting system now, and they would be punished by media and many voters for the ploy.

    Neither Craig nor Peters have done anything that would make me consider voting for them.

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  23. backster (2,142 comments) says:

    Old Winston was wearing more makeup than the old girl from ‘Are you being served’ on Q&A this morning. Lord knows what he will do if Labour get in and Trev bans the use of all the leading cosmetic brands.

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  24. Chuck Bird (4,833 comments) says:

    If McCully stands down and Winston stands and the Greens do not put up a candidate it is possible Labour could get it. Would National want to risk it?

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  25. wiseowl (861 comments) says:

    NZ Firsts policy stolen from Labour, ie removing GST from food announced today ,is stupid.

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  26. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “NZ Firsts policy stolen from Labour, ie removing GST from food announced today ,is stupid.”

    The supermarkets beleive they can lock bread down to a dollar. Shouldn’t the govt be leading by example as well?

    That should not be a question mark but an exclamtion mark.

    Like these ones

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  27. nasska (11,154 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis business

    If the government sacrifices the GST on food or the supermarkets lock down bread to a dollar there’s one thing we can be certain of.

    Neither organisation will lose…..they’ll just raise the tax (price) on something else to cover it.

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  28. noskire (837 comments) says:

    Is it too late for a couple of disgruntled Labour MP’s to jump waka…

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  29. NK (1,222 comments) says:

    If NZ First stands a candidate it has to be Andrew Williams. He lives there and was the former mayor. He may have been a loose cannon but he has name recognition and knows the place like the back of his hand. He would give Craig a hell of a fight/fright.

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  30. chris (631 comments) says:

    The problem with removing GST from fruit and veg is it assumes we pay exactly how much the fruit and veg costs plus a markup, and therefore removing the GST will decrease the price paid by the GST amount. In the real world, we pay however much the supermarkets think we are prepared to pay – why else are e.g. apples always $x.99 or $x.49 per kilo?

    If a government were ever stupid enough to remove GST on fruit and veg (and what a pandora’s box that would open up with the rules and exceptions required) I can almost guarantee we’d see an immediate 3/23 reduction in the price of fruit and veg, and about a month or so later the prices would be back up to where they were.

    The only winners would be the supermarkets making an increased markup.

    We the consumers and taxpayers would be the losers, because that tax would have to be found somewhere else, and we’d still be paying the same price for fruit and veg.

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  31. OneTrack (2,979 comments) says:

    Ross Miller – “National would be on the sidelines and John Key would probably be President of the World Bank.”

    And New Zealand would be Greece, without an EU to bail us out.

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  32. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,880 comments) says:

    What’s the difference between Moses and Winston Peters?

    Moses was in the wilderness for only forty years.

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  33. Chthoniid (2,033 comments) says:

    @Grizz

    I spotted 5 billboards on the short drive from Torbay to Browns Bay this afternoon, down Beach Road this afternoon.
    4 were National and 3 had McCully on it- all had John Key.

    If McCully isn’t standing then nobody seems to have told us, or McCully.

    The fifth billboard was Labours. Conspicuously absent was any picture of Cunliffe.

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  34. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ NK (1,057 comments) says:
    July 20th, 2014 at 4:42 pm

    Does he have an opinion on the Moon Landings?

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  35. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    The problem with removing GST on food, is it might make them eat more ! There goes the health budget!

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  36. Unity (484 comments) says:

    Personally I hope a deal is not done between National and the Conservatives and Colin Craig gets many votes without it. I sense a slight sea change already and whereas previously the media have made up ridiculous stories about him, I noticed on The Nation yesterday that Simon ? (I think it was) is actually starting to see a different side of Colin Craig – the right side. Anyone who has met him will know that he is absolutely nothing like he is portrayed in the media. He is a nice decent bloke and I think he’s a very brave one. He is adamant that he wants to make a difference for the better and knows, like the rest of us who actually think, that unless the people start having a say, it just won’t happen. Good luck to him.

    I just can’t understand why the media has such a down on him and why they attribute the ridiculous far-fetched unbelievable notions to him, that they come up with.

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