Brownlee and Airportgate

July 25th, 2014 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

The Herald reported:

Prime Minister John Key says he was “really disappointed” after bypassed this morning, but he has been quick to back him.

Mr Brownlee and two of his staff deliberately bypassed airport security at Christchurch airport this morning. He offered his resignation as Transport Minister, but that was swiftly rejected by the PM.

I don’t think what happened is a sackable offence, but on balance I think it would have been better for the PM to accept the resignation. It wouldn’t have been resignation as a Minister (which would be ridiculous) but it would be resignation from that portfolio – which I think would have been justified on the grounds of the portfolio including responsibility for airport security.

Incidentally I think that we should abolish almost all security on domestic flights anyway.  We were fine for many years without them, and I don’t accept that what happened on 911 has increased the risk profile for domestic flights in NZ.  I accept we need stringent security for international flights, but why for domestic?

As it happens they don’t have them for domestic flights outside the three main cities. So flying to Hamilton has no security, yet flying to Auckland means you have to go through the x-ray etc.

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133 Responses to “Brownlee and Airportgate”

  1. Julian (177 comments) says:

    Prefer ‘gate-gate’.

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  2. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    I think accepting the resignation would have been appropriate too. You can grizzle about security rules but they are the rules and especially the Minister responsible for them should abide by them.

    The resignation would send the right signal but Parliament is almost over for this term so the practical effect would be negligible.

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  3. mjw (396 comments) says:

    After the initial mistake, Gerry has done the right things here. But the PM hasn’t. He no longer seems to believe in accountability for his ministers – it’s quite a roll call this year. Judith Collins, Murray McCully, Chester Borrows, Jonathan Coleman, Gerry Brownlee.

    This is as clear a sign as you could want that a third term National Government will be insufferably arrogant.

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  4. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “This is no minor matter. Avoiding security screening is a serious offence which carries a fine of up to $3000 and up to two months in prison.

    Like anyone else, Brownlee should not receive any special treatment and should face the potential legal consequences of his actions.

    Cabinet ministers, however, also have to set an example. Otherwise the rule of law is rendered meaningless.”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11298716

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  5. Scott1 (549 comments) says:

    DPF has a important policy point here,
    We should review the need for security on domestic flights. Clearly the Minister agrees with the principle – so we are halfway there.

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  6. Lucia Maria (2,423 comments) says:

    I think it’s a beat up.

    It’s not like he snuck in the back door – he was let in by an airport staff member.

    He’s a well known person in NZ, not a terrorist. The staff member would have known who he was and therefore not thought there was anything wrong with getting him onto his plane quickly.

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  7. Harriet (4,969 comments) says:

    Since when does a portfolio ammune one from being charged?

    Why doesn’t he just get charged by the police if it’s sooooooooo bloody serious….y’know like the rest of us would be.

    Apparently it’s $3000 or a couple of months inside. He should have to explain himself to a judge.

    And then he can explain himself to all Embassies so he can get a visa to travel.

    Set a fucken example!

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  8. Redbaiter (8,801 comments) says:

    Like most National Ministers, Brownlee is too wet to direct his Ministry to act in accordance with the small government views National professes to value. Security on domestic flights is a troublesome process of doubtful benefit but if everyone else has to endure it no matter what, then so should Brownlee.

    If I was Key, I would firstly remove security on domestic flights, but seeing as I lacked the courage and commitment to do that, I would be bound to not bother about Brownlee’s resignation, but sack him on the spot for his arrogance and elitism.

    This nomenklatura business has to stop.

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  9. SGA (1,022 comments) says:

    @David Farrar

    As it happens they don’t have them for domestic flights outside the three main cities. So flying to Hamilton has no security, yet flying to Auckland means you have to go through the x-ray etc.

    I’m not sure this is how it works – it seems to be that certain sorts of planes (going longer distance) require carry-on luggage security (e.g., AUK -CHC, and vice versa), smaller planes don’t (e.g., AUK-WHG and vice versa). At least, that’s how it seems to me.

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  10. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    Scott1 says:

    “We should review the need for security on domestic flights.”

    Unfortunately, as long as we let the adherents of a certain ideology into the country and fly on planes there will always be a need.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Somali-woman-charged-with-hijacking-Air-New-Zealand-flight/tabid/423/articleID/45617/Default.aspx

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  11. excusesofpuppets (132 comments) says:

    Security on domestic flights is weird. Regional airports it’s almost non existent yet in the main centres it is close to international levels…

    This was a dumb dumb dumb thing for a transport minister to do. He has a lot to offer in that role that it would be a real shame to lose however a minister who spent a little money on the credit card without thinking and gets the sack, a senior (transport!) minister causes a serious security situation without thinking and gets a little telling off. Accountability expectations change in 6 years I guess.

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  12. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “I think it’s a beat up.

    It’s not like he snuck in the back door – he was let in by an airport staff member.

    He’s a well known person in NZ, not a terrorist. The staff member would have known who he was and therefore not thought there was anything wrong with getting him onto his plane quickly.”

    OR, the airport staff member knew better than to stand in Gerry (prone to violence) Brownlee’s way.

    In 1999, Brownlee was prosecuted and fined $8000 for assaulting an environmental activist at a National Party conference. Neil Abel, 58, a sympathiser of the Native Forest Action Group, said Brownlee grabbed him by the belt, thrust his knee “up my backside”, and manhandled him from the venue. He said Brownlee then threatened to throw him down a staircase, and that he feared for his life during the scuffle.

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  13. Yogibear (366 comments) says:

    Genuine question (and I hope my KB track record shows me to be neither a troll, nor anything other than a right of centre voter).

    Why is Gerry so high up the Cabinet ranks? Both his main portfolios seem to have gone backwards in the last 18 months with delays in Chch, and Joyce being a hard act to follow in Transport. He doesn’t seem particularly good at working constructively with the main groups in his sector, especially those who oppose him, which is sharp contrast to say a Tony Ryall or a Simon Power, or even a Simon Bridges.

    There was a suggestion a while back that both the EQ and Transport portfolios were a bit much, and that he should concentrate on EQ. Don’t get me wrong, now is not the right time to change Gerry, and Gate-Gate is not the reason, but the gene pool is deeper in National than this……..

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  14. Ezekial (5 comments) says:

    Dropping security entirely may not be an option under current international agreements.
    I think you will find that the reason there is full security on the Boeing and Airbus flights between major centres is that the planes have the ability to get out of the country if hijacked under the right circumstances. This is not an issue with smaller planes which service the lesser centres.

    Probably best if he resigned this portfolio to keep faith with the seriousness of the issue and maintain the integrity of chain of responsibility and tone from the top.

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  15. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    I agree with Lucia, it’s a beat up. I’m surprised he even offered to resign.

    “Like most National Ministers, Brownlee won’t direct his Ministry to act in accordance with the small government views National professes to value.”

    This is incorrect my Red comrade. Gerry was making government smaller by dodging one of it’s rules.

    “Security on domestic flights is a troublesome process of doubtful value but if everyone else has to endure it no matter what, then so should Brownless.”

    No, that’s socialism. There is a hierarchy to the natural order that people brainwashed by the modern world and it’s socialist agenda don’t understand. Our leaders are not on the same level as us. Especially when they are as big as Gerry.

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  16. Redbaiter (8,801 comments) says:

    “Brownlee grabbed him by the belt, thrust his knee “up my backside”, and manhandled him from the venue. He said Brownlee then threatened to throw him down a staircase, and that he feared for his life during the scuffle.”

    Well done Gerry. More communists, responsible for the deaths of millions last century, should fear for their lives.

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  17. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Gerry was making government smaller by dodging one of it’s rules.

    But there’s a significant problem when they make rules for us but ignore them themselves.

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  18. Ross12 (1,425 comments) says:

    So Brownlee should resign for this , which according to Graham E ( our resident lawyer the Internet Party counsel) was an act that did not break the law ( posted yesterday but I can’t find it now) but Cunliffe breaks the electoral law in the by election with his tweet and he gets away with it.
    Don’t really see the consistency her.

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  19. fernglas (157 comments) says:

    I’m more likely to be downed by a surface to air missile fired from Te Urewera than hijacked by an MP, so I don’t see the problem. Rules for the sake of rules are destined to be broken.

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  20. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Well done Redthug (albeit a gutless thug who wants others to do his dirty work) – showing your brute fascist tendencies again.

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  21. Redbaiter (8,801 comments) says:

    “But there’s a significant problem when they make rules for us but ignore them themselves.”

    Wow, a troll gets trolled.

    But the point is exactly right. Made already by many others.

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  22. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “But there’s a significant problem when they make rules for us but ignore them themselves.”

    Only if you need there to be a problem. I don’t need a problem, why do you?

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  23. virtualmark (1,523 comments) says:

    Domestic airport security is a complete waste of money and travellers time. It’s nothing more than a figleaf.

    Firstly, do you really think that terrorists are going to repeat the same thing they did on 9-11? No. And if they did then our protection is that passengers on the plane would take action nowadays. Not that someone in a blue shirt has x-rayed some bags.

    Secondly, do you really think that terrorists are going to prioritise a flight between Christchurch & Wellington to make their big global statement? Rather than, say, a flight between Los Angeles & New York?

    Thirdly, when you look at the people on the X-ray machines do you really have any confidence that these are the alert quick-thinkers who will foil a major terrorist plot? Nah, me neither.

    I recommend having a read of http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/01/tsa-screener-confession-102912_Page3.html I’m sure our local airport security people are no better.

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  24. EAD (1,069 comments) says:

    More entertainment from our political elites to keep the masses distracted from the real issues.

    Juvenal sure was right when he said ‘Give them bread and circuses and they will never revolt’

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  25. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “But the point is exactly right.”

    Rubbish. It was exactly Left.

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  26. SGA (1,022 comments) says:

    ShawnLH at 9:27 am

    “But there’s a significant problem when they make rules for us but ignore them themselves.”
    Only if you need there to be a problem. I don’t need a problem, why do you?

    Huh? Snow again please?

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  27. trout (939 comments) says:

    The knocking machine is hard at work again. An executive member in the US would have been delivered to the plane in a black Civilian – no queing for important public officials on public business. The man at the gate recognized Brownlee for God’s sake – he was assessed as low risk – call it profiling if you like. This obsession in NZ with the concept that jack is as good as his master and that everyone should suffer equally is such a socialist concept. Or is this really just another opportunity to snipe and gripe over a non-issue. The leftists here certainly think it is.

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  28. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “Secondly, do you really think that terrorists are going to prioritise a flight between Christchurch & Wellington to make their big global statement? Rather than, say, a flight between Los Angeles & New York?”

    Think globally and act locally.

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  29. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “What a bloody circus to keep the masses distracted.”

    Aid: ‘Excuse me Minister, but we have word from our brain wave reading posts that the masses have begun to focus.’

    Gerry: ‘Quick, I better run through this door to keep them distracted. Ha ha!! They will never guess our dastardly master plan after this!.”

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  30. Sporteone (43 comments) says:

    What a media beat up.

    As someone who has worked at the airport and also a regular traveler, this is not something that has only just happened. That particular door at the Christchurch airport, is a path well-trodden by many. Flight crew us it, dignitaries us it and many others. I have seen Gerry having meeting at the Koru lounge and is always running all over the place. He doesn’t have a minutes to spare.

    In fact a week and a half ago I was waiting to go through security and a women several places in front of me in the line, saw a flight crew member she knew, called out to her and she hopped out of the line and went through the door with the flight crew member. She was carrying a large carry-on bag. No-one blinked an eye, security never stopped them and off they went. They didn’t even go through the scanner. So what is the point.

    I would suggest that this happens on a regular occasion and has been happening for a while. I know rules are rules and people shouldn’t break them. If this is such a hanging offence as the media are portraying it, then the security guy SHOULD be sacked or severally disciplined and not like TVNZ mentioned, nothing happens to him. The media have conveniently said nothing about the guy who let Gerry through the door. I wonder why.

    There are more important things to worry about. Does the media really think Big Gerry was going to take something on the plane that he shouldn’t or is this just TVNZ making it look like they are not favouring National, as David Cunliffe suggests.

    How about reporting some real news. No-one really cares. There are more important things going on in the world. And I agree with David, there should be no security checks on these flights. It is only at the main airports and no-one is scanned on the li8nk flights to the smaller airports.

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  31. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “Huh? Snow again please?”

    ;)

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  32. EAD (1,069 comments) says:

    Shawn – 2nd time in 2 days mate. Stop attacking strawmen.

    You know full well my point I’m making is that we are encouraged to focus on trivia which doesn’t affect us yet the real issues which affect our lives and liberties profoundly are covered in a very superficial manner with more than a hint of propaganda.

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  33. Redbaiter (8,801 comments) says:

    “This obsession in NZ with the concept that jack is as good as his master and that everyone should suffer equally is such a socialist concept.”

    What an idiotic interpretation. A state that imposes onerous and worthless rules in reminiscent of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and having an elite group in society that does not need to abide by those rules is also characteristic of the same system.

    Those exempt the regulations/ penalties they imposed on everyone else were referred to as the Nomenklatura. (literally first on the list)

    NZ is already the perfect little soviet satellite with Marxist ideas running rife in our culture, and unwitting voters like you trout have made it that way. Especially those who have supported National even after it publicly turned its back on what it once valued. (small weak light handed govt)

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  34. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    I think you have to prolong the story a bit.

    If Gerry had said nothing, labour would have been screaming for his resignation.

    But Gerry offers it so now Labour are screaming for him to be prosecuted.

    They always have to go that extra step.

    Also, that Phil Twyford is a piece of shit. The balding, middle aged wimp in the lesbian party was trying to do fat jokes on twitter yesterday. when everyone called him on it he did the old “its not what i meant, its just what you thought” excuse. lightweight, loser.

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  35. jcuk (686 comments) says:

    Why on earth didn’t he simply ask for the plane to be held for the five minutes MAX that going through security would have delayed things?

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  36. wahior (8 comments) says:

    What bothers me is the fact that Mr Brownlee felt he was entitled to even ask to bypass security. “Do you know who I am?”

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  37. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “This is no minor matter. Avoiding security screening is a serious offence which carries a fine of up to $3000 and up to two months in prison.

    Like anyone else, Brownlee should not receive any special treatment and should face the potential legal consequences of his actions.

    Cabinet ministers, however, also have to set an example. Otherwise the rule of law is rendered meaningless.”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11298716

    AND HE’S GOT FORM!

    In 1999, Brownlee was prosecuted and fined $8000 for assaulting an environmental activist at a National Party conference. Neil Abel, 58, a sympathiser of the Native Forest Action Group, said Brownlee grabbed him by the belt, thrust his knee “up my backside”, and manhandled him from the venue. He said Brownlee then threatened to throw him down a staircase, and that he feared for his life during the scuffle.

    “Rules for the sake of rules are destined to be broken.”

    That’s the sort of thing someone who’s ‘potted up on weed’ would say.

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  38. anticorruptionnz (215 comments) says:

    Every one is equally accountable to the law.. what would have happened to any one of us in the same circumstances should apply to Brownlee… no exceptions

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  39. jcuk (686 comments) says:

    If it is correct that it has happened numerous times by various people then airport management should be held to account as well.

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  40. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    I have gone down to ChCh from palmy for a meeting on a jobsite , dressed in jeans and saftey boots with a leatherman on my belt. Get stopped comming back at Chch security first had to take my boots off then they wanted to take the leatherman ($200 worth). Fuck that.
    I told them I was dressed exactly the same as when I flew down earlier in the day (on a Auck/Palmy/ChCh flight) and only had a laptop case with me.
    In the end they put my boots and letherman in a plastic bag and I walked out to the plane in my socks. About 15 minutes late.

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  41. david (2,557 comments) says:

    Sportone @ 9:34am well put.
    It is really easy to do as well around the world. I have left Bahrain without passing thru passport control (I’m probably classed as a long term overstayer) and once left the airport in Hawaii while in transit by wandering through an unlocked door looking for a place to have a smoke. That one ended with a large policeman wielding a very large gun escorting me back to the plane so that I could retrieve my passport and prove I was who and what I was saying I was.
    This morning Tracey Watkins nailed her colours to the mast with a sloppy and incredibly lazy piece titled “Bulletproof Brownlee” calling Brownlee and the Government arrogant etc but making no mention of the responsibility held by Christchurch Airport for their security. Where was the Airport GM being grilled? where was the head of Aviation Security held to account for his organisation’s appalling lapse of the one single thing they are formed to do?
    And to top it off Stuff have rushed around getting off-the-cuff man-in-the-street sound bites from the ill-informed to back up their non-story.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/10308176/Bulletproof-Brownlee

    I despair that Cunnliffe’s lies and flip-flopping (like a flatfish on both counts) about his meeting with “NZ’s Rolf” in Queenstown last week have not rated a mention.

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  42. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    Would Key and his security guys have to go thru xrays?
    I assume his detail are loaded for bear!

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  43. Redbaiter (8,801 comments) says:

    I hate airport security.

    Brownlee won’t stop it, as he should if he ever stood for anything, so fuck him.

    He can go down for his lack of care on the issue.

    All infringements on civil liberties are a concession to the terrorists.

    Every time your liberties are infringed upon by some dumb arrogant jack booted security employee, you should remind yourself that your discomfort and loss of liberty is a victory for the terrorists.

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  44. mikemikemikemike (324 comments) says:

    Why do you think we should abolish security on domestic flights DPF? It takes 5 minutes to get through 10 minutes at most – not exactly a massive amount of time.

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  45. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    dime says:

    “Also, that Phil Twyford is a piece of shit.”

    Oh well, his middle name isn’t Stoner for nothing…

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  46. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    Wow, what a couple of socialist nancy boys Red and EAD are. :)

    Equality??? HELLOOOOO!!! :_

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  47. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “Why on earth didn’t he simply ask for the plane to be held for the five minutes MAX that going through security would have delayed things?”

    Im pretty sure an Air NZ pilot got in a decent amount of trouble back in the day for announcing to the passengers that the flight is delayed while they wait for Ms Clark to board..

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  48. Jinky (185 comments) says:

    Another example of MPs and other VIPs behaving as if they think they’re better than the rest. There should be different rules for them. This is one where Brownlee was caught out. How many times does this sort of thing happen and everyone turns a blind eye? I agree with DPF. he is the Minister for Transport and is in charge of making sure these kind of rules are followed. He deliberately chose to avoid security and make an exception to the law for himself and his aides (DPS protection?). A clear breach of Cabinet Rules? John Key has made strong play of expecting a high standard of behaviour.
    ( In contrast to Labour/Greens etc). This looks weak on his part. You can’t criticise Helen Clark for encouraging her driver to break speed limits “because I’m late” and then excuse Gerry when he does something similar “because I’m running late”. He at least offered his resignation (which Helen would never have done). Key should have accepted ( only months till election) and then reappointed him in a few months time.

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  49. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    Many people travel a lot and exchange pleasantries with / get to ‘know’ many airport / AVSEC / airline staff. After all, we’re a small country. But that doesn’t exclude travellers from following airport rules – especially those relating to airport security. And whilst AVSEC are probably the least humorous people on the airport precinct, they have a job to do and if that means we all have to wait in a line / pull out the laptop, mobile, coins etc, every time we get on a main trunk service, so be it.

    FWIW, I’ve had to hit high gear a few times to get onto planes before… but airport staff / AVSEC have been known to call ahead and let gate staff know I’m on my way.

    I can only wonder why Gerry didn’t get the same ‘service’…..

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  50. Yogibear (366 comments) says:

    The more I think about it, the more idiotic Gerrys actions are. I say this not because of what he actually did, nor how he responded, but this is in the realms of Cabinet Minister hygene.

    Aviation is one of the few areas where our politicians are visibly forced together with people who have no choice but to be in the same place as them.

    Any action that sets a politician apart from other travellers (who are usually only travelling to do something important in their lives) NEVER plays well. We’ve all taken great delight in having a go at Charles Chauvel and Chris Carter for their public plane gaffes. We rightly hurrumphed at Clark when she suggested she should have her own plane like other world leaders.

    Flying is public and there are a decent chunk of people around to witness actions that will not hold the same world view as the person committing them.

    The political crime here is far greater than the aviation one.

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  51. Julian (177 comments) says:

    It may have been said but the size of the plane dictates whether you need to go through security, rather than the destination. Presumably because a big plane can do more damage.

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  52. mikemikemikemike (324 comments) says:

    Oh, and if this were Hone or some other activist doing the same thing and shouting about how the Maori own the air and shouldn’t have to go through security what would you be saying then DPF? Would you use shocking arrogance, Unbelievable sense of entitlement…..One rule for all. Or do the Nat’s get (another) free pass because they are your team and so couldn’t possibly be wrong at anything.

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  53. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    I want to hear Graham McCready’s learned opinion on this matter.

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  54. Redbaiter (8,801 comments) says:

    “It takes 5 minutes to get through 10 minutes at most – not exactly a massive amount of time.”

    What’s time got to do with it??

    You dumbarsed commie troll. The real issue just doesn’t enter your mind does it?

    Suspicionless searches are a complete and utter breach of centuries of our traditional approach to justice.

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  55. Igotta Numbum (463 comments) says:

    “Departure-Gate”

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  56. mikemikemikemike (324 comments) says:

    @Redbaiter – I only hope a plane you’re on blows up because a ‘Suspicionless search’ didn’t occur. It’s searches like that, that detect shoe bombs, and plastic guns.

    Would you be happy to share a plane with the Black Power Manurewa chapter knowing they were not searched for any form of contraband?

    ….no – didn’t think so. Fucken dropkick.

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  57. dirty harry (483 comments) says:

    Domestic security screening is a joke and just pisses people off. Then you get some officious little arse hole who tells you to take off your belt because the scanner beeped when you went through…or take your shoes off and x-ray them. Shit Im only going to Auckland.

    Bout time the masses stood up on this one.

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  58. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    If it had been Helen Clark, there would have been a single phone call made by a staffer to hold the plane and clear a lane for her to enter. No headline, no news.

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  59. Redbaiter (8,801 comments) says:

    The “fucken dropkicks” are the dopey liberals in the West who impede the real war on terrorism. Wipe the cowardly pricks and their supporters from the face of the earth. Kill them all. That’s how we get rid of threats to fliers.

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  60. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    Yes, the security arrangements for domestic flights are pointless and stupid. But this fat prick is quite happy to subject the rest of us to them and have his goons haul us away for a jail term or a fine if we breach them, while cheerfully brushing them aside himself. Fuck him – stick him in front of a judge and let him explain to them why him being in a hurry exempts him from the rules he’s being paid a ridiculous salary to enforce.

    We seem to have more and more National cabinet ministers imagining that NZ is a third world country. If you vote for Collins, Brownlee, Williamson, McCully, Smith or Adams in this election you’re voting for joining the third world.

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  61. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “The “fucken dropkicks” are the dopey liberals in the West who impede the real war on terrorism. Wipe the cowardly pricks and their supporters from the face of the earth. Kill them all. That’s how we get rid of threats to fliers.”

    Yeah, herd them into cattle trucks and send them to the East. Better still make the fuckers walk and shoot any stragglers.

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  62. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “Wipe the cowardly pricks and their supporters from the face of the earth. Kill them all. That’s how we get rid of threats to fliers.”

    That’s not conservatism you plonker. It’s insanity. Actually, it does sound like Stalinism.

    Socialist! Socialist! Redbaiter is a socialist!!! :)

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  63. doggone7 (801 comments) says:

    WineOh

    But if the phone call hadn’t been made and the same scenario occurred the happy crowd on here would have been calling for the heads of the security staff who didn’t shoot her.

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  64. Nigel (514 comments) says:

    I fly a bit & I don’t mind NZ domestic security, I think they balance things pretty well. Having said that my domestic flights are off peak.

    My take is we should have some form of bypass for those prepared to do background checks. Leaving the security for “higher risk” passengers & freeing up resources.

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  65. SGA (1,022 comments) says:

    Redbaiter at 10:10 am

    The “fucken dropkicks” are the dopey liberals in the West who impede the real war on terrorism. Wipe the cowardly pricks and their supporters from the face of the earth. Kill them all. That’s how we get rid of threats to fliers.

    You’re not an ex-postal employee by any chance?

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  66. david (2,557 comments) says:

    Wine Oh – They held planes for HC because there would have otherwise been too many empty seats and the pilots wouldn’t have been able to use the callsign “broomstick one”. By the time she got settled in with a window seat, a spare seat for the briefcase, and usually a vacant aisle seat while the secretary and goons occupied at least one more row behind she took up a lot of space which might have been a good argument for her to have her own plane.
    At least the rest of the travelling public would have been spared the experience which would have to be a bonus.

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  67. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    This obsession in NZ with the concept that jack is as good as his master and that everyone should suffer equally is such a socialist concept.

    It most certainly is, and it’s one of the great things about the place. Thank you for pointing it out.

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  68. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “My take is we should have some form of bypass for those prepared to do background checks.”

    Did you pack this bag Mr Brownlee?

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  69. Paulus (2,626 comments) says:

    How many provincial airports have that sort of security – None.
    Cannot see the point for Domestic flights.

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  70. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “Cannot see the point for Domestic flights.”

    That’s what they said at Newark, NJ, Boston, MA and Washington, DC airports.

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  71. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “You’re not an ex-postal employee by any chance?’

    He’s wound up to a degree that’s a bit of a worry.

    Personally I support the right to keep arms, within reasonable government regulations, but Reddy is, sadly, not a good advertisement for that right.

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  72. Redbaiter (8,801 comments) says:

    “Those who surrender liberty in return for security deserve neither.”

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  73. doggone7 (801 comments) says:

    Redbaiter: “…Suspicionless searches are a complete and utter breach of centuries of our traditional approach to justice. …The real issue just doesn’t enter your mind does it?”

    Thanks for the thought-provoking but accidental laugh of the day.

    Let’s leave our traditional approach to justice in the hands of John Key, the GCSB and Ian Fletcher! The real issues don’t even approach some minds.

    “Those who surrender liberty in return for security deserve neither.

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  74. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    Please don’t tell me you are the holder of a firearms licence Red? You know, fit and proper and all that.

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  75. Redbaiter (8,801 comments) says:

    “It most certainly is, and it’s one of the great things about the place. Thank you for pointing it out.”

    And you’re not done with the equal suffering part yet are you Milt.

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  76. Redbaiter (8,801 comments) says:

    “Please don’t tell me you are the holder of a firearms licence Red? You know, fit and proper and not insane.”

    You stupid tiresome ignorant dumbarsed troll. You really need to sign up for remedial education in the comprehension area. What would my possession of a firearms license have to do with supporting our armed forces in the war on terrorism?

    As for lunacy, apparently you’re quite ready to overlook the most prominent example, and that is one of your ilk (mikemikemikemike at 10:04) who wishes for a plane to explode.

    But then whoever expected reason and objectivity from a braindead progressive?

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  77. backster (2,171 comments) says:

    Gerry has probably been catching this flight weekly for years, knows the security officer and flight staff, and has probably used this shortcut on more than one occasion, he’s been spotted by some leftie who has saved it up to use to best effect. John Key has hauled him over the coals and that should be the end of it.

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  78. Fentex (971 comments) says:

    I pretty much agree with DPF on this. While some may try and drum up a charge of Key simply not ever holding people to account for any abuse (I do not forget Collins) this is an example of something I think could be forgiven, but would be wise to accept resignation from the particular offended responsibility.

    And for similar reasons to the idea we don’t need excessive security on domestic flights, we should not pretend there is reason to, or submit to phantasms of, fear about flying in NZ.

    Although I would question the competence of people responsible for security who made it possible for someone to so trivially sidestep it. Regardless of it’s necessity it’s still a job someone’s paid to do at the airport apart from Brownlee’s responsibilities.

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  79. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    What would my possession of a firearms license have to do with supporting our armed forces in the war on terrorism?

    That would be a yes then Red? Who was your referee, Kyle Chapman?

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  80. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    Note jackinabox, that Red did not actually answer your question.

    He also did a sneaky little flip flop. Having perhaps realized that sounding like you’re advocating genocide does your argument no good, he switched it to “supporting the troops.”

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  81. Tauhei Notts (1,711 comments) says:

    Rules are for the guidance of men and strict observance by fools.
    What Gerry did was stupid.
    About as stupid as trying to flirt with Claudette Hauiti.
    We’ve all done something stupid in our lives. Things we have come to regret.
    Shit happens.
    No it doesn’t; it is caused by arseholes. In this case Gerry was the arsehole. And he is very embarrassed by it. But Nasska will call me a bible bashing bastard when I recall the words of a long haired lout seen hanging around Ramallah 2000 years ago who opined
    “Let he who is without sin amongst you cast the first stone.”

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  82. Redbaiter (8,801 comments) says:

    Security checks at airports are just symptomatic of the west’s reluctance to deal with terrorism as it should be dealt with. Too much leniency is shown to terrorists, who are mostly cowards and criminals. That the war in Iraq was so badly undermined by white ants within the west showed the terrorists exactly how weak we are. They’re laughing at us and our weakness. That the war in Iraq was carried out and the ongoing war in Afghanistan is carried out under unworkable rules of engagement is just another example of weakness and lack fo resolve.

    The solution (as unpalatable as progressives find it) is we stop idiotic infringements on basic liberty like suspicionless searches at airports and we engage in real war against the terrorists who threaten our civilisation. We simply must kill them all. Every one of them. That is the job that needs doing and we should not shirk from doing it.

    As for weak western politicians who undermine our defence forces and put soldiers lives in danger with PC rules of engagement, and impose these ridiculous “security” laws upon the citizenry, then they should be made examples of if they breach them. Not only to penalise their arrogance and elitism, but also to show them we don’t like them and we don’t like what they do.

    That’s why I have no sympathy for Brownlee.

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  83. Yvette (2,808 comments) says:

    Brownlee offered his resignation as minister after admitting he and two staff had used an exit door to enter the gate lounge at Christchurch Airport and board a flight to Wellington.
    “It was just we were in a hurry to get on the plane.”
    Brownlee, who is also the Earthquake Recovery Minister, said he asked a member of airport security staff if he could go through the one-way door and was allowed to unchallenged.
    New Zealand regulations say when a person boards a jet-engined plane without being subject to a security check, the plane should be emptied and passengers should pass through security again.
    The pilot was reportedly aware three unauthorised passengers had boarded the plane but flew anyway.
    Those found to have breached airport security regulations could be liable to three months’ jail or a $2000 fine.

    So that is Brownlee, his two staff, the compliant airport security staff member, and the pilot – none of whom followed proper procedure. Even if the rules may be stupid, they all knew them.
    Fine them all.

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  84. Unity (576 comments) says:

    John Key should have shown Leadership and accepted his resignation from this particular portfolio, if only to show that the rules apply to everyone and MPs aren’t exempt. However, for me it just shows how arrogant politicians can get over time. They seem to think they can do whatever they like and get away with it. The law doesn’t apply to them as they are far too important!!?? They lose touch with the real world.

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  85. Redbaiter (8,801 comments) says:

    Shawn, I know you’re just another cowardly troll, but you really need to get some treatment for you ongoing Redbaiter obsession. You’re as bad as TDVM or even worse, if that is even possible.

    While it is an available choice to read into my comment at 10:10 that I am advocating for the killing of pro-terrorist individuals in the west, only a demented liar could misrepresent that as a statement that encourages widespread killing and genocide.

    Anyone not possessed of an insane obsession with discrediting an adversary would reasonably know I was encouraging stronger military action against terrorism and the people/ countries who harbour them.

    That Kiwiblog is apparently well populated with commenters gripped by such insane obsessions is the price we pay for freedom of political expression. Responding to them though only encourages them, which is why in the main, I choose not to engage with fruit cakes like you (and Ugly Truth for another prominent example of a lunatic obsessive).

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  86. wreck1080 (3,905 comments) says:

    the security guard definitely needs to be sacked.

    One scenario is that terrorists may have had been blackmailing brownlee and he may have been under duress — Brownlee lets 2 others through with him who may have been holding weapons.

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  87. Redbaiter (8,801 comments) says:

    “Who was your referee, Kyle Chapman?”

    Sorry, but what amazing degree of ignorance leads you to believe a fan of small weak govt like myself would have any kind of relationship with an advocate for big powerful govt like Kyle Chapman. Surely such a misconception rests upon deep political ignorance and a very superficial understanding of reality.

    Then again it could be that you know that Chapman and myself are llght years apart politically, but just wish to smear me with a dishonest attempt at linking our political objectives.

    Not much of a choice you have given readers is it? They have to decide if you’re black hole ignorant or just a cowardly liar seeking to smear. I’d go for the latter, although I will admit the decision is difficult.

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  88. Nostalgia-NZ (5,191 comments) says:

    I think the security guard will cop it.

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  89. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    ‘I was encouraging stronger military action against terrorism and the people/ countries who harbour them’
    And how has that worked out in Afghanistan and Iraq?

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  90. Redbaiter (8,801 comments) says:

    Hey troll, I know it hasn’t worked out “so good”, but the reason for that poor result is the preponderance of white ants like you.

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  91. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Sorry, I’m to blame for no victory being in sight in the War against Terror?

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  92. Redbaiter (8,801 comments) says:

    Yes, you and the rest of your appeasement of terrorists collective.

    The same degenerate ilk who cost the West the Vietnam war.

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  93. mikemikemikemike (324 comments) says:

    “The same degenerate ilk who cost the west the Vietnam war.” You mean the war the west was never supposed to be involved in, and then got their arse’s kicked when they tried? that Vietnam War?

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  94. Redbaiter (8,801 comments) says:

    Its no surprise that a fool who names himself four times would support the idea that Red China and other communist groups should be the most dominant global force rather than the democratic West.

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  95. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    Tory tosser flouts rules intended to protect our safety.

    DPF’s solution: change the rules. Pathetic.

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  96. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Living in a fantasy world: Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan were all winnable except for the West’s ‘appeasement’. Sounds just like the Germans and the ‘stab in the back’ costing them WWI.

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  97. RRM (9,917 comments) says:

    Has anyone actually experienced Christchurch airport security recently?

    I have, and they are fucking nut cases!!!!

    Our first and last line of defense against Al Qaeda. Legends in their own minds.

    Especially the tall skinny pommy git with sandy hair and a nose that you just want to punch.

    ANYTHING Brownlee may have done, was absolutely justified in my book.

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  98. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    Brownlee really should have taken a leaf out of Hulluns books and just sacked his minders for making him break the law.
    He would have been nose down in some reading as he walked and not noticed as they pushed him thru a unmarked door.
    Not his fault at all.
    Perfect really.

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  99. Ross12 (1,425 comments) says:

    Just heard a lady on radio saying exactly what Sporteone @ 9.34am said. She said she has made 5 flights Chch to Wgt in recent months. 4 out of 5 times the all the passengers went through a door with no security check. She said she thought it was because they were on one of the smaller planes. But this thing is obviously routine at ChCh airport.

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  100. Scott Chris (6,133 comments) says:

    Bad look for National and a stupid, arrogant blunder by Brownlee – but not a sackable offence imo.

    Regarding Farrar’s deflection to the subject of whether or not there is a need for domestic security; yes we do need it. For people like Redbaiter.

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  101. Redbaiter (8,801 comments) says:

    “Especially the tall skinny pommy git with sandy hair and a nose that you just want to punch.”

    White anted his own country until he found it uninhabitable and now out here white anting New Zealand the same way.

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  102. Redbaiter (8,801 comments) says:

    “Living in a fantasy world: Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan were all winnable except for the West’s ‘appeasement’. ”

    Quite correct. Communist Generals have been profuse in their gratitude to their western fifth columnists.

    The same fifth columnist fools who elected Obama and as a result are now witnessing all the West’s sacrifice in attempting to bring democracy to the Middle East go down the drain.

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  103. mikemikemikemike (324 comments) says:

    Its no surprise that a fool who names himself four times would support the idea that Red China and other communist groups should be the most dominant global force rather than the democratic West. –

    erm no, I’m suggesting it’s their country and everyone else should mind their own business. America tried to play the bully and got punched in the nose for doing so. You certainly don’t see them invading China or Russia in defence of the poor oppressed innocents there now do you. I would have thought someone as old and irrelevant as you might be slightly wiser but no….Go have a cup of tea and a lie down before you hurt yourself Redbaiter.

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  104. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    It’s hard to overstate the importance of security on domestic flights given that we have seriously unhinged individuals roaming the streets who really ought to be under constant surveillance in a secure mental facility, as distinct from being allowed to roam without supervision from their rest homes.

    Some of these people not only espouse totalitarian political views and constantly allude to the prospect of a Government overthrow by a tiny minority, but they harbour puerile violent fantasies about “going down in a blaze of commie lead”. The term “commie” in this instance referring to the remaining 99.9% of the population.

    The prospect of some such fruitcake exploiting this lax security and looking to emulate the twin towers attack can’t be ignored. It would only take a small lapse for us to run the risk of some lunatic hijacking a domestic flight and crashing it into the Tauranga Harbour Bridge.

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  105. Redbaiter (8,801 comments) says:

    “erm no, I’m suggesting it’s their country and everyone else should mind their own business.”

    As I said, let’s just allow the commies to ascend to global dominance, or in your case, actively assist them.

    As for the braindead platitudinous principle above, yes of course, the Nazis should have been left to murder every last Jew in WWII.

    FFS, and to think leftists always assume themselves to have the high moral ground and a monopoly on intelligence, when everything the do or say says otherwise. I guess their control of education is behind this widespread insanity.

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  106. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I’m wondering how many more Americans (we won’t count the natives) would have had to die before an idiot like Reddy could count those failed campaigns as successes.

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  107. Redbaiter (8,801 comments) says:

    Americans are dying in Iraq and Afghanistan because of unworkable Rules of Engagements that exist as a result of pressure from politicians you and your ilk elect.

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  108. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    ANYTHING Brownlee may have done, was absolutely justified in my book.

    Being the minister responsible for their department, there are a great many “anythings” Brownlee might have done. The one he chose was to use his position of authority not to see to it that things improve for the people passing through Christchurch airport, but instead to use it to evade suffering their unpleasant ministrations himself while leaving the plebs to it. That is of course par for the course with Gerry.

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  109. Redbaiter (8,801 comments) says:

    “It would only take a small lapse for us to run the risk of some lunatic hijacking a domestic flight and crashing it into the Tauranga Harbour Bridge.”

    Anti-addictive therapy still not working I see. Perhaps your psychiatrist should try some new methods.

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  110. Redbaiter (8,801 comments) says:

    “That is of course par for the course with Gerry.”

    Par for the course in any country suffering under socialism. Given you are such a fan of it Milt, I’m perplexed as why you would complain about the all too obvious and predictable outcomes.

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  111. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    As I said, let’s just allow the commies to ascend to global dominance…

    Yeah, mikex4 – if you and your ‘ilk’ had had their way, we’d all be speaking Vietnamese right now, you commie traitor! Why, those Vietnamese commies would have quickly ascended to global dominance through combining with other commie threats, as evidenced by their, er, heroic efforts to beat back invasion by Red China… well, or at least by their extensive co-operation… er, I mean violent overthrow, of the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia… er, carry on…

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  112. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    ar for the course in any country suffering under socialism.

    What a pity we’re unable to send you back to Hungary ca 1950, where you could regale the locals with tales of how your country’s “suffering under socialism.” I wonder how many punches in the face from people actually suffering under socialism it would take for you to figure out why they were punching you – I’m picking death would come first…

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  113. Redbaiter (8,801 comments) says:

    Oh yeah Milt, in left wing la la land, there’s no such thing as political infighting and global power plays.

    FFS..!!

    God save us from these mental infants.

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  114. Redbaiter (8,801 comments) says:

    “I’m picking death would come first…”

    Milt, please don’t bore me with such insufferable and blatant hypocrisy. You were the one who endorsed “socialist suffering” in your comment at 10:22.

    “This obsession in NZ with the concept that jack is as good as his master and that everyone should suffer equally is such a socialist concept.”

    It most certainly is, and it’s one of the great things about the place. Thank you for pointing it out.

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  115. burt (8,269 comments) says:

    Why didn’t Key just say the business of government is whatever Govt define it to be – Move on !

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  116. AG (1,827 comments) says:

    As it happens they don’t have them for domestic flights outside the three main cities. So flying to Hamilton has no security, yet flying to Auckland means you have to go through the x-ray etc.

    Not quite. Depends what plane you’re on. If it’s a “big” one (ie jet with more than 90 seats), then you have to go through security no matter the airport. If it’s a “little” one (i.e. turbo-prop with 90 or less) you don’t (no matter the airport).

    So, when I’m flying Dunedin-Wellington, I sometimes go through security (in Dunedin) and sometimes don’t. I’m guessing that if Hamilton has no security, it’s cause no big planes fly there.

    Incidentally I think that we should abolish almost all security on domestic flights anyway. We were fine for many years without them, and I don’t accept that what happened on 911 has increased the risk profile for domestic flights in NZ. I accept we need stringent security for international flights, but why for domestic?

    I agree with you. But who wants to be the Minister who decides “no more domestic security!” at our airports … and then has a bomb blow a plane out of the sky? Sure, it might never happen without security, but given that we’re all used to the status quo, what’s the upside to running that risk?

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  117. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    ‘unworkable Rules of Engagements’
    Reddy’s code for ‘they weren’t allowed to kill enough people’

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  118. Griff (7,679 comments) says:

    You are so right tdvm
    You never know when some insane tea bagging blogger who thinks New Zealand is a satellite state of the USA will full on McVeigh and drives his mobility scooter laden with diesel and chicken shit into the local winz office.

    Thank fuck such loons are usually so full of shit they concentrate on ineffectually ranting agonist all and sundry on here rather than actually doing any thing real.

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  119. Unity (576 comments) says:

    There’s another blog about our education system and how is letting our children down in many cases. I’m at a loss why too many people these days can’t string a sentence together without the ‘f’ and ‘s’ word interspersed throughout it. I find it hard to ‘listen’ to!!

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  120. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    But who wants to be the Minister who decides “no more domestic security!” at our airports

    They could try doing it by stealth and just quietly ignore the rules.

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  121. Gulag1917 (915 comments) says:

    High profile public figures going through airport security is probably just a formality, maybe Gerry Brownlee was being a bit too familiar with the system, probably an easy mistake to make given his position.

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  122. burt (8,269 comments) says:

    Gulag1917

    And how would other people be dealt with over such an incident ? MPs are not above the law, even if the previous Labour govt provided many precedents to say they were.

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  123. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ burt (7,796 comments) says:
    July 25th, 2014 at 2:53 pm

    Just try mentioning ‘bomb’ anywhere near airport security and you’ll find out how others are treated!

    I was told of an incident involving two young students, one of whom said to the other “I hope you bong isn’t in that’ – pointing to his friends backpack. The attendant thought he’d said ‘bomb’, and security were called, and even the police – eventually, after the plane had left without them, they were allowed to travel. Airport security is serious stuff these days. (No they did not have a bong in their baggage either).

    Having said that – considering events throughout the world, I’m glad of the security.

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  124. Griff (7,679 comments) says:

    unity
    I would hazard a guess you are referring to my post
    I did not “do” the education system
    There was no place for persons with Asperger_syndrome when I was at school in the seventies.
    Even though I excelled in high school in math, the sciences and near top in English the little problem that I share with many aspies is I can not write legibly. before the advent of computer based word processing I was functionally illiterate unable to communicate in the written form
    The lack of the usage of words of eloquence chosen in the expression of my post was deliberately to induce a sense of my intent.. Like you Normie use body language… Sorry of you are unaware of some persons ability to change language to infer intent within prose. Maybe it is you that lacks a full appreciation of the English language and the subtly of choice available to users! Perhaps you should go back to school to learn an appreciation of the full extent of the textures available in our communication medium. All the best in your learning endeavors… Griff.

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  125. Honeybadger (209 comments) says:

    Be interesting to see if the Airport security man, who let Gerry go through the door, ends up being fired?

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  126. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,752 comments) says:

    Another quiet day in New Zealand.

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  127. Unity (576 comments) says:

    Good grief, Griff. What an excuse. Has our system become so appalling that bad language is considered normal? Well I’m sorry but I don’t like the use of bad language to express oneself. It sends hackles up my spine and I lose track of the message. You should be able to get your message through with what was once considered ‘the Queen’s English’. It isn’t all that hard you know.

    Having said that I do agree with your posts – from memory.

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  128. Longknives (4,737 comments) says:

    Simply not good enough Gerry.
    I support National through and through (the alternative terrifies me) but pull your bloody socks up guys! You should know that the left-wing media will crucify you for anything given half a chance…

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  129. MrTips (95 comments) says:

    $10 says the guy who let him through the door was sent by the Koru lounge to stop Gazza pillaging the food trays………..

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  130. Crusader (314 comments) says:

    “He walked in through the out door (the out door)”

    But did he wear a raspberry beret?

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  131. reubee (24 comments) says:

    In OZ this type of breach leads to an evacuation of the terminal http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11186361

    Perhaps question should be asked why this doesn’t happen here.

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  132. goldnkiwi (1,303 comments) says:

    Honeybadger (149 comments) says:

    July 25th, 2014 at 4:07 pm

    A union member? A honeytrap for Gerry lol

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  133. Honeybadger (209 comments) says:

    I am still waiting for the outcome, but as it seems per usual, I think it will be shrugged off. The arrogance shown by this team wanting a third term is outrageous

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