Cunliffe on the Dotcom Party

July 6th, 2014 at 1:00 pm by David Farrar

From the interview on The Nation:

If Internet-Mana get there and you need their numbers will you use them to form a government or will you rule them out?

We’re not doing any pre-election deals with anybody.

I’m talking about a post-election deal. Will you work them in government? Voters want to know.

I’ve been quite frank with we will have our door and phone line open to whoever wants to change the government. I’ve ruled out the Conservatives, I’ve ruled out the Act party, I’m not ruling out talking to anyone else but frankly I’d be surprised to see anybody, perhaps other than the Greens and NZ First around the cabinet table.

You’re not ruling it out thought, you’re not ruling out Internet-Mana because I want to pick up on this, Phil Goff, one of your senior MPs, says that Internet-Mana deal is a rort and Dotcom is buying influence. Chris Hipkins calls them unprincipled sell-outs. These are your MPs. David Shearer says Internet-Mana is going to end badly. Stuart Nash calls him a discredited German. Yet you won’t rule out

I’m not here to defend Kim Dotcom or Internet-Mana. What I am here to do is to campaign for the Labour vote and to change the government.

It is very clear that Cunliffe is not willing to rule out Cabinet posts to the Dotcom Party, despite the views of his colleagues.

Now does that mean that Laila Harre and Hone Harawira could be ministers in a Labour led government or will you rule that out?

No, it does not.

Will you rule that out?

I think that’s extremely unlikely.

Extremely unlikely they’ll be ministers?

Extremely unlikely.

If anyone thinks Hone Harawira will happily sit on the backbenches, they don’t know him very well. He will demand to be Maori Affairs Minister, at a minimum.

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27 Responses to “Cunliffe on the Dotcom Party”

  1. mjw (399 comments) says:

    It’s about time we got rid of these coat-tailing provisions altogether.

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  2. Manolo (14,027 comments) says:

    A crook as a minister of the Crown? Nothing new from socialist Labour, which gave us Taito Field, a convicted felon.

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  3. nasska (11,779 comments) says:

    ….” I’ve ruled out the Conservatives, “…..

    With one less bidder in the marketplace the price of Colin’s support has dipped somewhat.

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  4. mjw (399 comments) says:

    Manolo – As you are counting convictions after leaving parliament, maybe you should be considering ex-National party ministers who were more recently in the dock?

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  5. gump (1,660 comments) says:

    @Manolo

    “A crook as a minister of the Crown? ”

    ———————

    As far as I’m aware, neither Laila Harre or Hone Harawira are crooks (despite what I think about their politics).

    If you’re thinking of Dotcom – he isn’t standing for election and therefore can’t become a Minister.

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  6. Pete George (23,680 comments) says:

    This is more yeah/nah from Cunliffe.

    Yeah he will work with IMP if necessary as they are “whoever wants to change the government” and he’s “not ruling out talking to anyone else”.

    Nah he won’t be up front and state this clearly.
    Nah he won’t admit what he might have to negotiate to do a deal with IMP.

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  7. thedavincimode (6,867 comments) says:

    Remember that this is just the initial cunners position.

    We should know his final position in a week or so … perhaps. My suggestion is to wait until that time. The only thing that anyone observing the shifting sands in the interim will take from that process will be a bout of dizziness.

    Is it my imagination or are liebour now starting to copy National’s education policies?? If National is liebour lite and liebour is doing National lite what does it mean? This is very confusing.

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  8. Manolo (14,027 comments) says:

    @mjw & gump: I was thinking of the vile and thuggish Harawhira. No, I’m not exculpating Labour Lite, a.k.a National, which has given us its fair share of crooks.

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  9. Manolo (14,027 comments) says:

    Silent T is a weasel, a Chardonnay socialist weasel.

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  10. Yvette (2,845 comments) says:

    “We are far ahead of previous years in terms of the amount of canvassing and the amount of voter contact we’ve had” – Cunliffe

    Oh, that must be a real worry then. It has had bugger all effect.
    You may have to consider Internet MANA after all

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  11. Reid (16,632 comments) says:

    Doesn’t he realise this leaves yet another opportunity for the opposition to label him a slippery slimy weasel like man who is not worth taking the risk on.

    Apparently not. For someone who has devoted his life to politics he’s not very good at it is he.

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  12. greenjacket (481 comments) says:

    Cunliffe’s sales pitch is “vote for us and in coalition with an improbable assortment of greenies, Winston Peters, racists, 80s communists, and funded by a German crook, we can get rid of the Key government.”
    Yeah – that inspiring vision will really bring out the Labour voters. Keep going Cunliffe.

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  13. duggledog (1,580 comments) says:

    Cunliffe needs to grow some balls and rule out Internet / Mana, because National certainly won’t form any kind of government with them. It would be a good ‘investment’ for Labour. He can always break that rule once September 21 arrives (as if); it’s not like Cunliffe wouldn’t be breaking a whole lot more promises!

    By the same token, John Key should / should have ruled out working with NZF. That he hasn’t, and won’t, is a problem for this voter – and many of my contemporaries.

    Here is Cunliffe’s basic problem though – many people bitch and gripe about aspects of the current administration, myself included, but we don’t actually want to see a change in Government. It’s not a good USP for Cunliffe to be driving for a change; people like the way things are, whoever’s running the ship.

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  14. kiwi in america (2,508 comments) says:

    He can’t rule out Internet Mana – he would need their votes to form a government and Hone’s price would be, as you say, Minister of Maori Affairs. Note the MPs Paddie Gower mentions are all ABCs – Cunliffe isn’t going to listen to them.

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  15. Nostalgia-NZ (5,272 comments) says:

    No surprise with this. No surprise either if it is revealed that McCarten has been stitching up a new look ‘Alliance’ (IP) to go into Government with Labour/Greens, MP and NZF. It remains that if things stay tight any sort of deal may go down with any party and those in the ‘box seat’ with be the higher polling leaders of the tail enders. A voter could either be afraid of such a scenario or accept it as a probability and think through from there by asking the question as to how seasoned MPs re-entering Parliament in new or different parties will really affect things when it appears the Nats are also successfully bordering on the left. Another permutation of MMP looks to be possibly confronting the electorate. I think many will quietly be thinking about the economy (well hopefully,) though it doesn’t necessarily follow that there will be any big changes whoever governs – that will be a question JK will be considering.

    If KS is an example of ‘ideas’ running out (no offence intended) with his hope that Liu looms darkly above Labour then he clearly hasn’t considered that while Liu may once have been a user of Labour his more recent efforts have been with the Nats and that underlines some of the wishful thinking and hopeful dirt digging which I believe the Nats didn’t need to do because of their success as a Government. Tailing onto that is the ‘shape’ of reports that the diplomat accused of crimes in Wellington may well end up with ‘medical’ certificates to show he is either unwell or mentally unfit to stand trial. It remains looking like pressure on JK to do the job with the coming election, even though not being a gambler it would be a hopeful wager to bet against him yet the odds could be shortening with nobody exactly certain of what is around the corner.

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  16. duggledog (1,580 comments) says:

    Gump

    Technically Harawira isn’t a crook, but then apparently neither is the truck driver King’s son.

    Make no mistake. Harawira is as bent as a three dollar note, as is his entire family from his Mum to the Popatas. What about his little trip with the Mrs to the Louvre? Or the Outback? Or hardly turning up to Parliament? If you don’t think he is a crook, can I interest you in a home heating business in Darwin.

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  17. Kimble (4,443 comments) says:

    He can’t rule out Internet Mana – he would need their votes to form a government

    I think the point is that if he rules them out, he wouldnt need them.

    The coalition they would have to form would be a one-term government for sure (assuming Labour dont follow their anti-recent democratic tradition, which isnt a safe assumption).

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  18. MH (810 comments) says:

    I think we should discount Internet supporters as the name suggests on election day the smartist will still be searching the web after getting up at 9pm to find out how to vote on-line. Let alone having even bothered to register.

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  19. backster (2,184 comments) says:

    Cunliffe will do whatever his Union owners tell him to do, and Laila and Hone seem more aligned to Union interests than either the Greens or Winston.

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  20. Yoza (1,906 comments) says:

    It is very clear that Cunliffe is not willing to rule out Cabinet posts to the Dotcom Party, despite the views of his colleagues.

    Despite the views of the ABC’s, or more specifically the corporate lobby within the Labour Party – those whom the Labour Party base overwhelmingly rejected in an internal ballot. I really do not understand why Labour persists with those who champion the disastrous failure of neo-liberal orthodoxy.

    Allowing private concentrations of capital to dictate policy invites conditions which strip wealth and influence from the majority while enriching the less than 1% those policies are designed to favour.
    I am comfortable that the influence Kim Dotcom’s wealth will have be blunted by the ideological rigidity of the likes of Minto, Harawera and Harre, as the more authouritarian tendencies of that leftish block will be ameliorated by Dotcom’s experience of being on the sharp end of the exercise of power to send a message to the subjects of corporate rule.

    A vote for National/Act/Conservative is a vote for predominantly foreign corporate rule, a vote for Labour/Green/Mana-Internet is a vote for corporate rule tempered by those who have a history of fighting for the underdog.

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  21. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    As gump has said, neither Harre nor Hone Harawira are crooks. But they’re out.

    Colin Craig, while mad as a hatter, is also not a crook. Yet he’s out.

    But Winston, who misled the Privileges Committee, “forgot” donations from Owen Glenn, and still hasn’t paid back the $158,000 (more now, with interest) can be “seen around the Cabinet table” in Cunliffe’s dystopian vision of his Prime Ministership. Not to mention a few of the kind of people he brings in with him. Hopefully Parliamentary Services will clear the Cabinet room of potted plants, lest the Clown of Campbells Bay get caught short during a lengthy deliberation.

    Mind you, Key is having similar visions. It seems character and integrity aren’t considerations for either “leader” in choosing their Cabinet.

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  22. FeralScrote (224 comments) says:

    Cunliffe would cuddle up to Colin Craig and Maggie Thatcher if he thought it would help him in his lust for glory.
    You can`t believe anything that comes out of his chinless visage,he is untrustworthy and unfit to govern.

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  23. wikiriwhis business (4,115 comments) says:

    All gud Yoza.

    I feel the trouble with the IP is that Dotcom’s wealth will preclude voters from becoming subscribed members because who feels he needs more finance. That’s the reality facing IP.

    I can’t help swinging towards Winston as a long time voice who deserves that credit. Winston has gone beyond being a populist and has a proper support base which surpasses knee jerk and erratic vote swingers. I am convinced he is worth the support against the establishment.

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  24. Ennui (3 comments) says:

    I spoke to my Grandfather yesterday. He’s in his 80s now and has been a life-long Labour voter – he even helped on a few their campaigns doing door knocking etc. He grew up on the West Coast and worked in the mines for most of his life. For the first time in his life he is not going to vote.

    He’s not voting for the following reasons:
    1. The Labour party is no longer the party for hard working people. He said he had to slog away for years to buy his house, raise his family and often went without to provide for his children. Now he says all the Labour party is interested in doing is giving money to people too lazy to work for anything (referring mainly to people in their 20s who want everything handed to them).

    2. He can’t stand the Greens and he thinks that all Cunliffe is doing is giving the power to Greens and the Alliance.

    3. The Man ban and Cunliffe’s Man apology was the final straw for Grandad.

    This now means that there is no one in my previously staunch Labour (I’m the only one that has ever voted National) family that will vote Labour in this election.

    Well done DC. Keep up the good work.

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  25. OneTrack (3,216 comments) says:

    Yoza

    a vote for Labour/Green/Mana-Internet/Winston/Maori/UnitedFuture is a vote for Greece of the south pacific.

    FIFY

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  26. OneTrack (3,216 comments) says:

    Ennui – You Grandfather seems to have covered it off pretty well.

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  27. Yoza (1,906 comments) says:

    OneTrack (2,491 comments) says:
    July 6th, 2014 at 3:52 pm

    Yoza

    a vote for Labour/Green/Mana-Internet/Winston/Maori/UnitedFuture is a vote for Greece of the south pacific.

    FIFY

    From the perspective of global corporate finance, Greece is the ideal model on which the rest of the planet’s nation states should be founded – servitude to a corporate economic agenda overseen by hand picked technocrats who will ensure that no matter how severe or prolonged these austerity projects last the condition of indebtedness will perpetuate itself indefinitely. John Key, the bastard spawn of Merrill Lynch and the Federal Reserve, is the man to lead us to subjugation.

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