Cunliffe says sorry for his holiday

July 23rd, 2014 at 7:00 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

leader has admitted to making errors, including taking an over-long three-day holiday in Queenstown last week.

Cunliffe emerged from a caucus meeting of his MPs today promising to make changes to the way he and the party delivered their messages and admitting that the holiday was a mistake.

“I take responsibility for things I could have done better,” he said.

“I’m happy to say that with the information that I now have about the movement in the polls, which I didn’t have when I made that decision [to take a holiday], I would have made a different decision.”

He certainly would not have gone on such a long break, though he noted he was also ill for two days “and I didn’t have much choice about that”.

And in another story:

He scoffed at suggestions that some in his caucus were “doing the numbers” on a leadership change.

“That’s nonsense, absolute nonsense,” he said.

“I am confident I have the full support of my caucus.”

Hilarious.

Former leader Phil Goff ruled out any interest in becoming leader again, and while Cunliffe’s predecessor wouldn’t rule it out, he said he was focused on the party’s key messages.

Mark my words. Shearer will challenge after the election.

Also a third Stuff article reveals a new side to Cunliffe:

Pray, is Reverend Sue Dickson’s advice.  Cunliffe says he does – daily. 

I did not realise Cunliffe is such a devout Christian.

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84 Responses to “Cunliffe says sorry for his holiday”

  1. jp_1983 (207 comments) says:

    Maybe David cunliffe should watch this for inspiration https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA5WiBiQzgQ

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  2. SPC (5,595 comments) says:

    He was wrong to say his 3 day holiday with the family was too long – most of the public had no problem with it.

    If his nervous MP’s think his working 24 hour days 7 days a week can change poll results they have poor judgment.

    Performance and productivity is higher amongst those who take time out – when it is available.

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  3. fernglas (145 comments) says:

    I agree with SPC. Taking a few days to be with his family before the run-up to an election is nothing to be sorry for. It’s something men do these days, and more power to him for doing it. But apologising? He seems to have got the habit. By the way I’ve figured out why he comes across so badly; he’s a crap actor. The chin buried in his neck with upraised eyes so he looks both attentive and pensive? Bollocks, it makes him look like a chinless choir boy. Did you see him on the news last night, watching something with one leg propped up on a sawhorse and the arm casually draped across the leg? The pose of a relaxed hard working Kiwi? More bollocks, my dog cocks his leg with more finesse. The reason people don’t like him is because they don’t believe in him, and all this posturing doesn’t help. More of the real Cunliffe and less of poses inspired by the glorious socialist workers murals that used to abound in Red Square, and people might give him, his party and its policies a go

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  4. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  5. Manolo (13,571 comments) says:

    The hopeless Silent T is now afraid of his own shadow. The knives are out!

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  6. fernglas (145 comments) says:

    Remarkable, Judith. I heard Cunliffe say exactly the same at exactly the same time, on Breakfast. Has anyone ever seen you and him in the same room at the same time?

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  7. Chuck Bird (4,847 comments) says:

    “I did not realise Cunliffe is such a devout Christian.”

    God forgives. The ABC don’t.

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  8. James Stephenson (2,152 comments) says:

    Has he apologised for apologising yet?

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  9. Chuck Bird (4,847 comments) says:

    Why has not Cunliffe apologized yet to the victim of the man who cannot be named who he had lunch with?

    I can guess what was discussed – the sexual predator was blaming the victim.

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  10. holysheet (362 comments) says:

    jeysus Judith, you can spin better that anybody I have ever seen.

    Silent T said
    “I’m happy to say that with the information that I now have about the movement in the polls, which I didn’t have when I made that decision [to take a holiday], I would have made a different decision.”
    In plain english I read this as ” sorry for taking a break when I did”

    He certainly would not have gone on such a long break, though he noted he was also ill for two days “and I didn’t have much choice about that”.

    That means that for 2 of the 3 days holiday he was ill, with “man flu”? Did he not go and meet and discuss a “thorny” issue while he was there? With the Flu? didn’t leave much time to spend with his family.

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  11. Tarquin North (259 comments) says:

    I think your right fernglas, I remember seeing him on Backbenches ages ago. He had a beard, was wearing a tee shirt, oozed confidence, smiled all the time and looked likeable. look at him now he’s a joke. People would have far more respect for him if he said “I went on holiday. I deserved it. Got a problem with that? End of story. Instead we get to watch death by 1000 cuts. He needs to stop apolgising and grow a set.

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  12. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ fernglas (98 comments) says:
    July 23rd, 2014 at 7:31 am

    You’re a bit late then, because I heard him say it on TV3 news last night.
    But I do love your bitchy innuendo so early in the morning – not completed your ablutions yet?

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  13. Nookin (3,281 comments) says:

    James. Sort of. He apologised that his apology was taken out of context and distorted. That is Cunliffe speak for saying he didn’t really say he was sorry he was a man and that the media made it up.
    Judith. The clamour is for Key to apologise for being bored and disinterested. He did not give that appearance to me. In fact he looked seriously pissed off at the circumstances. Without in any way diminishing her ordeal, there are shades of political stunt casting a shadow over the issue. I would prefer to wait for the inquiry.

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  14. fernglas (145 comments) says:

    Judith, there is no bitchy innuendo; it’s a well recognised way of suggesting that two people are in fact one and the same. I forgot that the left has no sense of humour. I apologise for having one.

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  15. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ holysheet

    You might like to listen to this video, at about 1.00 into it – you will see that it is not I that is doing the ‘spinning’ here.

    Cunliffe on TV3 news last night – don’t worry about apologising Fernglas – its okay! :P

    http://www.3news.co.nz/David-Cunliffe-owns-up-to-getting-it-wrong/tabid/370/articleID/353733/Default.aspx

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  16. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    Cunliffe might have some more apologising to do yet. There are significant differences between two version he has given of what he knew prior to meeting the sex offender in Queenstown.

    He told the Herald:

    “If I had known of the suggestion, no such meeting would have taken place.”

    Barry Soper reports on a stand up interview yesterday:

    Mr Cunliffe admits a prominent New Zealander’s possible sexual offending had been raised with him before he met with the man in Queenstown last week.

    The Labour leader says the meeting went ahead because no proof had been supplied.

    “There is a suspicion that a person who asked to meet me and my candidate down there might be a person in that category. All I can say is had I known that, and we did ask around if there was any reason not to meet, we wouldn’t have had the meeting.”

    Rodney Hide claims political operatives were asking about it. Soper claims “most of us know”. Cunliffe and those advising him may have been some of the few who didn’t know – by why the heck didn’t they find out? Especially when “the possible sexual offending had been raised with him before he met with the man”.

    It could be a lack of awareness or competence in Team Cunliffe but it’s difficult to understand how they didn’t know – and it’s difficult to understand why they didn’t make sure they knew.

    Details: Cunliffe’s conflicting claims about Queenstown meetings

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  17. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ fernglas (99 comments) says:
    July 23rd, 2014 at 7:48 am

    Okay, it was ‘well known’ bitchy innuendo – either way you were wrong!! :P

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  18. OneTrack (3,020 comments) says:

    fernglas .” Remarkable, Judith. I heard Cunliffe say exactly the same at exactly the same time, on Breakfast. Has anyone ever seen you and him in the same room at the same time?”

    They get their scripts from the same person.

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  19. big bruv (13,718 comments) says:

    “Speaks volumes about the man’s integrity.”

    Oh Judith….

    How the hell can you seriously suggest that Cuntliffe has any integrity?, the man is a charlatan and a liar, 75% of Kiwis can see that yet it seems you are oblivious.

    You’re smarter than that Judith.

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  20. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Pete George (22,714 comments) says:
    July 23rd, 2014 at 7:50 am

    Just how would they have found out Pete? The name was suppressed. At best they could have found some ‘reliable’ gossip. There is no official way for even a minister to get that information.

    So, as much as I dislike the situation, what was he to do – risk not meeting with the man, based on gossip, only to find out that gossip was wrong – and then be criticised for listening to gossip. Taking the official path was the only thing he could do. He and I might add, the rest of us, have no official way of knowing if in fact the rumours are true. I am sure they are, especially as last week the victim spoke about it – but that was after Cunliffe’s meeting.

    He was between a ‘rock and a hard place’ with that one, and there was never going to be a right way of dealing with it. Even if he had made an excuse not to meet, that would have gone against him if the unreliable information he had was proven to be wrong.

    Tell me, are we going to crucify Key because the person concerned is [deleted by DPF - you are close to breaching a suppression order]

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  21. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ big bruv (13,200 comments) says:
    July 23rd, 2014 at 7:58 am

    I mentioned two individuals in that post BB. :-) Both are men, although one is sorry for being one!

    PS I do not, and will not back Cunliffe. He, along with the unaplogetic man, will not be getting my vote. I dislike Cunliffe, and doubt the level of his integrity on some issues to.

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  22. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    I am sure they are, especially as last week the victim spoke about it – but that was after Cunliffe’s meeting.

    Was it before or after the meeting? Hide wrote about it prior to his column being published on Sunday 13th.

    Did the woman speak to Hide before the meeting? Or perhaps because of the meeting?

    Both Hide and Soper say it was fairly common knowledge. I’m super National at least would have been quietly advised some time ago.

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  23. RF (1,380 comments) says:

    fernglas. 7.48am

    Beware of red Judith in the mornings until she has drunk her bucket of stomach acid.

    Whenever I see her many posts I avert my eyes and quickly scroll down reciting the Lord’s Prayer backwards. I look forward to a red Judith free day so my scrolling finger can be rested.

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  24. Ross Nixon (559 comments) says:

    But who does Cunliffe pray to? Helen Clark?

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  25. OneTrack (3,020 comments) says:

    Shearer? What happened to Robertson? Is he waiting until 2017?

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  26. holysheet (362 comments) says:

    Bigbruv said
    “You’re smarter than that Judith”

    Judith cannot be that smart. For a start she admitted she watches tv3 news. Only dumb asses watch that crap

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  27. Chuck Bird (4,847 comments) says:

    Robertson? If there was a problem with Putin Robertson could ring him up an threaten to hit him with his handbag?

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  28. Colville (2,261 comments) says:

    Jesus wept.

    Just how would they have found out Pete?

    An internet numpty like me found out in about 10 seconds by using this amazing thing called “Google” I am sure one of the bright young taxpayer funded things in Cun*liffes group will have heard of “Google” even if DC cant use a his phone for anything but texting during dawn service.

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  29. Gulag1917 (876 comments) says:

    Mr Cunliffe’s apologies are getting nauseating

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  30. Tinshed (166 comments) says:

    What amazed me, which I don’t think has been adequately picked up on, is that Cunliffe didn’t understand the dire poll results for Labour. That staggers me. Why didn’t he know? Isn’t that part of the job description of any leader of a political party, to understand how you are polling? He himself doesn’t need to go to, say, the Curia Market Research blog, but surely one of his staffers could.

    I know there are few fans of Cunliffe here but I just amazed at how politically incompetent he is.

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  31. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Morning Judith
    Got the wagons in a circle again I see. To my mind, Cunliffe once again showed poor judgement in meeting the sex pest. Frankly it doesn’t matter whether he knew for sure or not. If there was doubt he just shouldn’t have done it.
    Easy really.

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  32. rouppe (967 comments) says:

    Regarding the holiday, does anyone know who paid for the flights (if not the accommodation)?

    Usually visits to an electorate like he did for the other 2 days means flights are paid for by the taxpayer, and there is a long history of politicians of all stripes fitting in a 30 minute meeting with someone in order to get free flights to somewhere to watch test rugby, campaign, maybe even go skiing…

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  33. thedavincimode (6,691 comments) says:

    This guy is a blithering idiot.

    Moreover, as with everything else – it’s yet another lie – yet another insincere bullshit manufactured response. There was no rogue poll here. It is yet another shocking poll in the mid 20’s. There was absolutely nothing in these latest polls that he didn’t know already. It wasn’t this poll that suggested he shouldn’t have gone on holiday. It was all the others beforehand and the fact that Key was out of the country giving cunliffe a free hit.

    This is a guy who craps on about how much he cares … blah blah need to change Government blah blah … future of our kids blah blah. Yet he puts himself ahead of all of that.

    All this latest about turn has done is to demonstrate yet again that everything that comes out of his mouth is manufactured insincere bullshit.

    And lol, now he’s pulling the red scarf! Too much comment!! Good grief – you only have to wash it periodically “Dave”. Well, if that’s how responsive you are to public opinion, why don’t you ditch the red ties as well and after that just fuck off altogether. That’s what more than 90% of the population would prefer.

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  34. Paulus (2,607 comments) says:

    Now its Sorry for being Sorry until the next time having to say Sorry !

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  35. rouppe (967 comments) says:

    Colville said:

    An internet numpty like me found out in about 10 seconds by using this amazing thing called “Google”

    To be fair, I’m not an internet numpty, and I searched google with all manner of search terms for Queenstown sexual misconduct “discharge without conviction” and came up with only nz-based hits which of course suppress the name.

    I’m sure its easy to find if you already know the name, or know something else that’s not in the public domain, but with the publicly available information, I’ve not been able to get any overseas hits that disclose the name either.

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  36. Rich Prick (1,679 comments) says:

    “I’m happy to say that with the information that I now have about the movement in the polls, which I didn’t have when I made that decision [to take a holiday], I would have made a different decision.”

    Riiiiiight. So in 2011 Cunliffe decided to take this holiday, that must be because Labour’s polling has been shite for ages. The more plausible reason is that he learned the knives were out and Robertson was running the numbers.

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  37. Manolo (13,571 comments) says:

    Judith has become a subject of wide ridicule, KB’s new Phil Ure. A lamentable achievement, indeed.

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  38. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    Rodney Hide obviously knew, and said ” I know some of our leading politicians know him and know, too, of his attitude and behaviour towards women. It was a topic of conversation when I was in Parliament.”

    Barry Soper asked “He’s well known though, I mean we, most of us know so why didn’t you know?”

    Cunliffe himself said yesterday” All I can say is had I known that, and we did ask around if there was any reason not to meet, we wouldn’t have had the meeting.”

    Why would they have asked around if that hadn’t thought there could be something to ask about?

    Why has Cunliffe given two substantially different explanations?

    And why did a well known ex-National MP ask Cunliffe for a meeting with him and/or Labour’s electorate candidate?

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  39. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    Manolo, you should be careful throwing stones in this glasshouse.

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  40. Changeiscoming (184 comments) says:

    Nothing to apologise for, spending quality time with the family before a busy 2 months is ok in my book.

    Just goes to show how self absorbed and anti family Labour have become.

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  41. thedavincimode (6,691 comments) says:

    And here was me giving the bullshitting tosser the benefit of the doubt over his celebrity dining arrangements.

    Memo to self: don’t bother doing that again.

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  42. burt (8,232 comments) says:

    I did not realise Cunliffe is such a devout Christian.

    Just like Len Brown ….. So is Cunliffe also having an affair – it seems politicians and public figures only ever pull out the “I’m a Christian” card when they are either low in the polls or up to something they are ashamed of.

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  43. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    There’s a campaign to try and get John Key to apologise to Tania Billingsley, including a petition:
    http://www.change.org/petitions/john-key-apologise-to-tania-billingsley?

    On July 3rd 2014, John Key said he would apologise to the victim of the alleged sexual assault by a Malaysian Diplomat when he knew her name. On July 21st 2014, he said he wouldn’t, saying “I don’t make apologies unless there’s a serious reason for me to do that.” Is this not serious enough? And we wonder why we have a rape culture here, with remarks like that from OUR Prime Minister.

    I think politicians should be very careful about apologising to alleged victims of pending court cases. Especially when international diplomacy is involved. I think it’s correct for Key to distance himself from this – especially as the apology campaign seems to have some political grandstanding involved.

    Greg Presland has joined in, trying to associate Key with things where there are no obvious links.

    Some on the right have chosen to criticise her and question her motives. They have rather elegantly if inadvertently reinforced what she has been saying about rape culture. If their sort of thinking is common within National’s ranks then it needs to do some soul searching.

    John Key is in trouble over the issue because of as clear a flip flop as you will ever see.

    http://thestandard.org.nz/just-say-sorry-john/

    Key isn’t in trouble over this. Cunliffe’s comrade is trying to play a hard role, and like Cunliffe he doesn’t seem suited to it. This is try hard pathetic.

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  44. Manolo (13,571 comments) says:

    I’m deeply sorry and promise to heed Mother Teresa’s advice from now on.

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  45. chris (644 comments) says:

    @rouppe The trick is to find a website which quotes a line from the overseas blog (the ODT has a direct quote from it) and then search for that line. When putting the quote into Google, the overseas blog comes up first.

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  46. G152 (299 comments) says:

    Goneliffe is practicing his ‘sorry’ speech for the day after the election

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  47. oldpark (285 comments) says:

    Anyone interested to check out Cunliffe the manifest liar of the decade.Number one he has had the flu and been on holiday since the day he beat the system and was installed by the power crazy unions,as the Labour Party Leader.His track record is even worse than Labours Bill Rowling of the 70s what an indictment.Rowling was known as a mouse,without a roar.

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  48. Sporteone (38 comments) says:

    Jesus, Joseph and Mary. Praying has nothing to do with it. Cunners is just a waste of space. On Breakfast this morning he said he didn’t apologise for his holiday. He is a man who says something in a roundabout way and then trys to say he didn’t do it.

    What sought of a PM is he, but then on TV this morning he referred to himself as the PM. ‘Joker’ is a very good description of this man. He lives in LaLa land and insome respects looks like the ‘Joker’ from batman.

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  49. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Why would they have asked around if that hadn’t thought there could be something to ask about?

    The person concerned is [deleted by DPF and 20 demerits. Don't breach suppression orders on my blog. Do it on your own]

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  50. Ryan Sproull (7,101 comments) says:
    Pray, is Reverend Sue Dickson’s advice. Cunliffe says he does – daily.

    I did not realise Cunliffe is such a devout Christian.

    No atheists in a leadership challenge.

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  51. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ All_on_Red (1,331 comments) says:
    July 23rd, 2014 at 8:34 am

    There is no indication that Cunliffe knew anything about the offence. “He asked around” – as well he should have. The offender was a National MP, and now he wanted to meet with the Labour Leader? That is plenty of reason to ask around whether in an election year it would be a good idea to be seen with the ‘enemy’.

    I realise that many over active imaginations are working on this, because there is one thing that Kiwibloggers love, and that is a conspiracy theory – they see them in everything – but often there is a very plausible and sensible explanation – however, sensible and conspiracy don’t make good friends, when all you can see is blue.

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  52. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Judith
    If he asked around then there was doubt and uncertainty.If there was doubt or uncertainty he shouldn’t have gone. It’s poor judgement.
    Heck, if I’m uncertain the snake won’t bite me, I don’t go near it

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  53. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ All_on_Red (1,332 comments) says:
    July 23rd, 2014 at 9:27 am

    Yes, I’d have doubts that meeting with an ex National MP would be a good idea – however, if that could be turned into ‘an ex-National MP jumps ship and now wants to be seen with Labour Leader” then it could have been a positive for Labour. Of course, if we want to get all consipiracist-like, maybe it was a set up and organised so that it reflected badly on Cunliffe.

    One has to wonder who suggested the meeting and why?

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  54. virtualmark (1,512 comments) says:

    Judith, Pete George,

    I think, from a legal perspective, you need to be careful about making any references that could assist people in identifying the person who has name suppression. At least for DPF’s sake.

    Personally I don’t agree that this person should have name suppression. And yes, the name is out there on the internet due to sites outside of New Zealand. But I’d recommend providing less clues about who that person is.

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  55. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ virtualmark (1,469 comments) says:
    July 23rd, 2014 at 9:31 am

    Do you know how many ex-National MP’s there are? The fact that particular information was published in NZ, means that it is already public knowledge, and has been for sometime.

    Are you sure you don’t mean ‘for National’s sake’? I notice many people happy to make reference to a sporting position and not be held to task by your good self.

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  56. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    One has to wonder who suggested the meeting and why?

    That’s an interesting question. Cunliffe partly answered it in yesterday’s stand up interview that Soper has reported on:

    There is a suspicion that a person who asked to meet me and my candidate down there might be a person in that category.

    Somehow this person knew that Cunliffe and the Labour candidate (what’s with the “my candidate”?) were in Queenstown that day, or would be in Queenstown that day. Why he asked to meet them is a very interesting question.

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  57. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    You’re a sorry bunch, can’t you see he’s taking the piss?

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  58. Fisiani (1,031 comments) says:

    Labour are down but not out. No matter how useless The Cunliffe is Labour could still poll 30%. The Greens 15% NZF 5% and Internet Mana 2% , that’s a winning 52%.
    That’s the nightmare for the next two months. Every National leaning voter must be encouraged to vote. Far too many see current polls of Nat 54% v Lab 24% and think it will be a landslide. Under MMP it never is. Always ask people to promise that they will actually turn out and vote TeamKey.

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  59. Keeping Stock (10,290 comments) says:

    Stop playing games at DPS’s risk Judith.

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  60. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    I think, from a legal perspective, you need to be careful about making any references that could assist people in identifying the person who has name suppression.

    I’ve seen a lot of Google search times used to try and identify this person and politics hasn’t come up. The media have provided enough key words. I’ll take your advice and not repeat them.

    Cunliffe has inadvertently brought far more attention to his identity than any blog could. That could be a backfire.

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  61. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Keeping Stock (10,086 comments) says:
    July 23rd, 2014 at 9:48 am

    Just a bloody minute – I don’t and haven’t seen you saying the same thing to anyone that mentioned the persons sporting history, or other such information – but as soon as I mention National – you and others get all touchy about it.

    IT is pretty bloody obvious why that is. If I’m taking a risk on DPF’s behalf, then for the past week there have been many others that have done the same – I hope you are now going to go back over those threads, and give those people the value of your opinion – or are you just being a hypocrite?

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  62. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    Wow. I’ve just done a simple search and there’s one New Zealand site in particular that openly names him along with a photograph.

    Is he commonly known by that nickname?

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  63. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Now who started this particular thread – all one has to do is source Cunliffe’s agenda to know who he met with …

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/07/cunliffe_meets_sex_offender_with_name_suppression.html

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  64. Nookin (3,281 comments) says:

    “Are you sure you don’t mean ‘for National’s sake’? ”

    “..but as soon as I mention National – you and others get all touchy about it.

    IT is pretty bloody obvious why that is. ”

    It is not obvious to me and before you make some sarcastic comment about having my head in the sand, you might like to undertake some research on historical relationships and fall outs and you might find that there are very clear motivations other than antagonism towards National. I cannot rule that out but my immediate impression was that this person may have had a particular gripe with another former MP from another party.

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  65. Unity (526 comments) says:

    For goodness sake, why on earth doesn’t Cunliffe stop apologising. He sounds so weak and fawning. Certainly not like a Leader!! However, I for one will be very interested to see if the media picks up on the fact that he prays and now makes him out to be a rabid Christian, like they did with Colin Craig who doesn’t even attend Church. I bet they don’t even mention it.

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  66. backster (2,150 comments) says:

    If I was recovering from the flu in Auckland the last place I would go to is the mountains of Queenstown..Consistent with his wikipedia I guess.

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  67. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    Unity – the media did mention it, that’s why DPF mentioned it, he quoted it. Here’s some more:

    Christianity still plays a part in his life, he says. ”It’s certainly true that through life’s tough times ultimately we all fall back on fundamentally what drives us and I’m happy to say that there have been times that I would only have got through because of the faith that I grew up with.”

    That’s fine for him but people who don’t have faith just find other ways of getting through tough times.

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  68. Unity (526 comments) says:

    Thanks, Pete. However, I bet the media don’t keep on and on about Cunliffe’s beliefs like the invented ones they have attributed to Colin Craig. They have used moon landings and Christian beliefs to try and make Craig out to be a nutter, which he most definitely isn’t. I have no problem with Cunliffe’s Christian beliefs at all. If they help him then great. He probably needs all the help he can get as it is.

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  69. pejhay (28 comments) says:

    He is truly an amazing man, I am in awe of his work ethic…

    Working 18 hours a day, 7 days a week
    Praying, say 1/2 hour per day
    Cooking & Eating, say 1 hour per day
    Ablutions, say 1/2 hour per day
    Feeding the chickens, say 1/4 hour per day

    Give the guy a break, how well would you function on sooo little sleep…

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  70. Fentex (936 comments) says:

    I am amazed that a person reportedly determined since childhood to achieve high political office can be so tone deaf about public speaking.

    Not so much about being blamed for taking a holiday, he was sandbagged with false claims he took a week off. A long weekend isn’t much of a thing that people have to work hard at making seem incompetence. It only get’s air because his opponents are successfully painting him as incompetent by hammering every little thing he gifts them (and actively creating disloyal conflict).

    But because he seems incapable of viewing how his speech can be portrayed. When standing in front a crowd of women activists who’s purpose in gathering highlights issues of abuse he thinks he’s making an apology to them but picks words out of scope ripe for hitting himself over the head.

    Now faced with a beat up initiated by a misrepresentation he apologises inappropriately again – on an occasion where no apology could do any good because it’s a pointless no win defence.

    Cunliffe has alienated people he needs as allies and the battle over it rivens the Labour party, so no matter how good any policy he may support is he’s constantly fighting disloyalty and tops it all off with a lack of elegance and nous required to be nimble and deflect assault to his advantage.

    I don’t think, in his decades preparations, he spent enough time learning rhetorical skills and tactics to supplement his apparent deficit of talent with them.

    Is he thinking that being willing to apologize humanises him and throws Keys purposeful insulting of Tania Billingsley in regards to apology into relief? I could see the thinking behind it but the execution is woeful. There are better ways to make the point.

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  71. Tarquin North (259 comments) says:

    I thought Mike Hosking got it right last night. Cunliffe said he wouldn’t have gone on holiday if he had known Labour was going to rank so low in the polls. Mike said “when did he book his holiday? 2008?”

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  72. ShawnLH (4,600 comments) says:

    Judith’s ability to spin must surely cause projectile vomiting at some point.

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  73. gravedodger (1,552 comments) says:

    Come on Judith naivety will account for five eighths of copulating all, with what you are adding to the pot containing other comments here and elsewhere you could certainly be placing Farrar in jeopardy and it will be very expensive. If discoverable you will be in the doo doo as well. forget about the fine and other judicial remedies available to Mr “F” legals, there is a little matter of punitive and actual damages on top.
    Mr “F” has a lawyer very smart and adaptable who will make an example of someone and he is getting increasingly pissed off at the stupid efforts of people such as yourself being an amateur smartarse.

    Take on board a little of the advice on behavior and morality you are so quick to dribble on about and STFU, Jonathon Eaton is not one to upset.

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  74. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Unity (268 comments) says:
    July 23rd, 2014 at 10:32 am
    For goodness sake, why on earth doesn’t Cunliffe stop apologising. He sounds so weak and fawning. Certainly not like a Leader!!

    Do you also teach your children that same lesson – when they make a mistake, or hurt another person, or break something deliberately, that they should not apologise, because it is weak and fawning?

    You are right though, it is certainly not like our current leader, who bases his responsibility to apologise on a person’s political interests. The message to our children – only if the person harmed is one of your group do you need to apologise when you’re responsible for a mistake – otherwise it doesn’t matter.

    Listen up kiddies – apologising makes you a weak and fawning person that will never be leader material – if your parent has posted above, and one day requests you apologise for your mistake or bad behaviour – remember to show them this thread, whilst calling them a hypocrite at the same time. If they ask you to apologise more than once – remind that they they agreed that too many apologies is not nice.

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  75. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    It’s not apologising that’s the problem. It’s what he apologies for, when he apologises and in particular how he apologises.

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  76. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Pete George (22,728 comments) says:
    July 23rd, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    He apologised for something he perceived was wrong – are you suggesting that people should only apologise for what other people perceive are wrong? So if a child feels that kicking the other child wasn’t the right thing to do, no apology is necessary, unless other people also think the action was incorrect?

    And just which other people should be allowed to make the decision regarding when an apology is relevant or not? Obviously not the people from Cunliffe’s own group – so when a Labour supporter/MP whatever makes a mistake – whether they apologise or not, should be what Pete? decided by National supporters only?

    If a child does something wrong – no apology is necessary unless others deem they should be sorry for their actions – too bad if the child themselves is brave enough to decide they were wrong, that doesn’t matter – the only thing that matters is what other people think – and we wonder what is wrong with the world! sheesh.

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  77. RightNow (6,986 comments) says:

    I think apologising for everything he can think of is a matter of political survival from Cun’liffe.
    His biggest challenge right now is to pull former Labour voters back from the Greens.
    Cun’liffe can see that while he has no chance of being PM after September, he can at least staunch the loss of votes to the Greens by “manning up” and apologizing for everything he can. Platitudes and apologies are what those Labour-Green swing voters want, and Labour are desperately trying to maintain status as second largest party, but they’re at real risk of losing that status to the Greens.
    Apologising gives Cun’liffe a point of difference over Key. While Key won’t offer empty apologies for some manufactured grievance, Cun’liffe will get his megaphone out and apologise from the roof-tops to and for all and sundry..

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  78. Unity (526 comments) says:

    Quite apt that you are likening Cunliffe with ‘kiddies’ in your examples, Judith. It’s not the apologising as such but the fact that he’s making so many errors that he feels the need to keep on apologising. I have to say it sounds pathetic coming from a potential leader. I most certainly wouldn’t look up to him and respect him and that’s how we should be with our leaders.

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  79. SHG (312 comments) says:

    Cunliffe says he (prays) – daily.

    Yet another reason to consider him unfit for office.

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  80. Scott (1,779 comments) says:

    Lots of Labour leaders pray. The Labour government of the 1930’s considered their programme of welfare reforms “applied Christianity”.
    If Mr Cunliffe prays each day that is a plus as far as I am concerned.

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  81. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    Key defends Cunliffe’s holiday

    John Key says he wouldn’t apologise for going on holiday for three days, nor should Mr Cunliffe

    He says Mr Cunliffe’s a married man who loves his wife and kids.

    Mr Key says if he goes into politics with a family, and wants to come out the other end of it with a family, he actually has to spend some time with his family.

    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/1862396532-key-defends-cunliffe-s-holiday

    Good on Key for saying that. I think he’s right.

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  82. ShawnLH (4,600 comments) says:

    “Do you also teach your children that same lesson – when they make a mistake, or hurt another person, or break something deliberately, that they should not apologise, because it is weak and fawning?”

    Oh dear Judith. It is weak and fawning when it is insincere and nothing more than a convenient sound bite to hide behind. I would not teach children to apologize for nothing at all, nor to apologize as a cover for just being an incompetent failure, as Cunliffe does on both counts.

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  83. FeralScrote (202 comments) says:

    Given the state of his standing in the polls,I would suggest his comment that he prays everyday is the first and only time he has told the truth in this campaign to date.

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  84. Crusader (305 comments) says:

    rouppe (913 comments) says:
    July 23rd, 2014 at 8:34 am

    …there is a long history of politicians of all stripes fitting in a 30 minute meeting with someone in order to get free flights to somewhere to watch test rugby, campaign, maybe even go skiing…

    Well, at least he didn’t speed all the way to Queenstown in a limo, like our ex “Dear Leader” once did across the Canterbury Plains.

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