For those claiming NZ doesn’t do enough for the environment

July 3rd, 2014 at 4:00 pm by David Farrar

Some pressure groups would have you believe NZ was near the bottom of the world when it comes to the environment and . They seem to regard anything less than abolishing carbon from New Zealand as treason. But the planet and climate section of the Good Country Index has NZ as 7th best out of 125. That’s not something you’ll hear from the Greens.

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34 Responses to “For those claiming NZ doesn’t do enough for the environment”

  1. anticorruptionnz (217 comments) says:

    How do we know that the measurement of temperature, tidal rise etc was accurately done 100 years ago ?

    forget about climate change and just stomp on those who are polluting the planet .

    For a kick off tell us what is in the Waikato water that we are Drinking and why are we cleaning up sludge to drink when we have the best catchment areas in the world and the ability to use water tanks for rain water collection .

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  2. Tarquin North (402 comments) says:

    The greens would still whine if we were first on the list. Ideology trumps intelligence in their world.

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  3. Manolo (14,179 comments) says:

    The greens would still whine…

    Those greens are reds.

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  4. CJPhoto (228 comments) says:

    The Australian Target is 20% renewable energy by 2020. NZ is currently over 75% with a target of 95% by 2025.

    I also agree with Grosser that being a world leader on Greenhouse gases wont change the world (thoug it could be good from a marketing perspective.

    The real issue I have is water quality, especially of lakes and streams. With the government publishing minimum standards shortly, hopefully this will become a more pressing issue.

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  5. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

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  6. burt (7,434 comments) says:

    Maui Dolphin have suddenly become endangered, they didn’t register as a threatened species till Key got into power.

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  7. RRM (10,104 comments) says:

    The same Good Country Index that docks NZ points because we’re an arms exporter and participant in international armed conflict? ;-)

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  8. RRM (10,104 comments) says:

    How on EARTH can anyone possibly know there are 55 Maui dolphins out there?

    They are very small dolphins, and the Tasman Sea is vast… has someone counted them all?

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  9. All_on_Red (1,746 comments) says:

    DPF
    Don’t you mean Carbon Dioxide? Carbon is different.

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  10. Ross12 (1,487 comments) says:

    Judith

    You are right to some extent , but the issue now, is that the Greens ( as opposed to the genuine environmentalists) don’t want to do anything. In fact they want us to go backwards.

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  11. G152 (422 comments) says:

    The Maui is a subspecies of the Hector dolphin evidently

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  12. All_on_Red (1,746 comments) says:

    The Maui dolphin doesn’t breed frequently enough. That’s not helped by predators eating their young.

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  13. RRM (10,104 comments) says:

    A few years ago the human race wasn’t even aware Maui Dolphins existed… now suddenly we clain to know there are only 55 in the whole ocean? Pull the other one.

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  14. scrubone (3,097 comments) says:

    Some pressure groups would have you believe NZ was near the bottom of the world when it comes to the environment and climate change.

    Wait, I don’t understand. Is National in power or not?

    Right = bad
    Left = good

    How hard is that to understand?

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  15. peterwn (3,337 comments) says:

    anticorruptionnz

    They would have done a good job starting from James Cook, Daniel Solander and Joseph Banks – then there was the clergyman at Taupo who recorded the lake level daily – they now form part of the country’s hydrographic database. May be a long time ago, but they were not idiots.

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  16. burt (7,434 comments) says:

    peterwn

    The problem is that the entire system is fluid. Land is lifting out of the sea, sinking into it and sea levels are always changing. Somehow today we have this notion that we have an ability to maintain today’s status quo. Apparently taxes can change the natural order of plate movement.

    Sea level as a concept is meaningless. If a new island suddenly forms it displaces water and sea level lifts…. it’s like throwing a pile of rocks into the bath and claiming the volume of water increased. Or pulling them out and claiming the volume of water decreased.

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  17. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    I can see a remake with Julie Genter as Sophia Loren (silcone required) and Gareth as the silly little boy on the guitar! :)

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  18. Lance (2,719 comments) says:

    @Judith
    The Greens fight and have fought Hydro Power at every turn.
    So how on earth would NZ have reach 70%+ renewables with the Greens in charge when Hydro Power makes up the vast majority of that renewable energy?

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  19. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    The Greenies would want a nuclear power station built in the environs of Auckland if they really cared about the environment! :)

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  20. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    They could run a wire down to Wellytown so that Sue could preserve her beloved trolley buses!!! :)

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  21. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    They could electrify the whole of NZ by powering the whole of the rail and the light rail and the Nissan Leafs by clean green nuclear electricity!! :)

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  22. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    They could provide free public charging stations for the cattle prods for those of us who had to revert to ox wagons!!! :)

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  23. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    Minus must be having dinner!! :)

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  24. TM (100 comments) says:

    What the hell is the Good Country Index?

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  25. dad4justice (6,594 comments) says:

    Anybody down stream on the Waimakariri River when Silver Farms Belfast Beef processing unit discharges its vile and deadly effluent into the river would say bullshit to ” Good Country”. What a load of shit. The most used recreational river waterway in the South Island is the most polluted. Go figure. What a fucked up country New Zealand is. I feel so sorry for my grand kids. Shame on you kiwi!!!

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  26. insider (845 comments) says:

    D4j is obviously too young to remember when there were multiple abattoirs and sewage schemes dumping various effluent and raw meat into the waimak. It’s probably cleaner today then it has been in generations. It’s just that we never bothered to measure water quality.

    we have a very warped perception of how good things were and how bad they are now in comparison

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  27. Maggy Wassilieff (491 comments) says:

    @RRM 4:44pm… No, all the Maui Dolphins haven’t been counted individually. Capture-recapture methods were used along with genetic biopsies.. then statistical models were employed to get a best estimate of no of adults
    http://www.doc.govt.nz/Documents/conservation/native-animals/marine-mammals/mauis-dolphin-abundance-estimate-report.pdf

    Must admit… its a bit easier counting trees….

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  28. itstricky (2,025 comments) says:

    Well we’re 100% pure so I would expect us to be No. 1.

    Why not No. 1? You socialists haven’t done a hard day’s work in your life. Always settling for 7th you lazy public workers. Make it to No. 1 and feel proud of what you did…

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  29. RRM (10,104 comments) says:

    @ Maggy – thanks, good to know there is some reasonably rigorous method behind the figure. The trouble with following politics is, after a while you start to assume all facts and figures are lies… :-)

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  30. RightNow (7,015 comments) says:

    We need to get all those unemployed out there in hi-vis vests doing an emu parade, they can clean up our environment in exchange for the dole. Work for it, make us number 1, earn your pay. Apparently there’s just not enough jobs for them, well kill 2 birds with 1 stone!

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  31. Mark Thomson (85 comments) says:

    I looked around the GCI website but couldn’t find links to their source data. Has anyone seen the actual data they base their conclusions on?

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  32. Dom Knots (155 comments) says:

    True, insider. But because dad4justice may not be aware of the former condition of the river, surely that is not recommendation enough for him to go swimming in it with his gob open today.

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  33. tspoon765 (14 comments) says:

    A perusal of the DOC website reveals their opinion that this countries regulations concerning the protection of Marine Mammals when performing Seismic Surveying are unmatched by any other country on earth. You wouldn’t think so with the wailing and gnashing of teeth by this countries Green party.

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  34. prosper (172 comments) says:

    Johnboy. Your comment at 7.07. Outstanding! I had a mouthful of coffee and nearly soaked my partner laughing.

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