General Debate 24 July 2014

July 24th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Elaycee (4,425 comments) says:

    The bleats have reached a crescendo at Labour Central.

    Labour is whingeing because Mike Hosking has been confirmed as the TVNZ host for the TV1 leaders debates. Labour claims Hosking is biased (because he called Cunliffe a moron in the past and has been critical of Labour and Gween policy).

    Indeed, Labour wants him replaced!

    But this is the same Labour party that has said it is OK with Campbell being the TV3 host…. one assumes it is because he is totally sympathetic to the left… that’s why Labour runs off to him whenever they want a soft interview. Indeed, wasn’t Campbell a member of the Alliance at one stage?

    But because Hosking doesn’t genuflect and endorse the views of the left on a daily basis, they have actually asked for him to be dumped. But Campbell (who promotes anything and everything left), is OK.

    Besides, all Hosking did (when calling Cunliffe a moron), was state the obvious and confirm what the electorate is thinking.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10303335/Labour-claims-Hoskings-biased

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  2. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

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  3. FeralScrote (252 comments) says:

    Colin Craig is doing an awesome Norman Bates impression on his Party vote billboards,that`ll get the punters voting for him…

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  4. mikenmild (12,402 comments) says:

    It seems balanced enough to have Hosking moderate one leaders’ debate and Campbell the other.

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  5. Keeping Stock (9,381 comments) says:

    Rod Emmerson channels John Everett Millias this morning and pushes the boundaries with an outstanding cartoon of Ophelia Cunliffe. Labour may not yet be dead in the water, but it’s a near thing.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/07/ophelia-cunliffe.html

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  6. Keeping Stock (9,381 comments) says:

    Well said mikenmild. I’m sure both are professional enough broadcasters to leave any bias they may have in the Green Room.

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  7. adze (2,130 comments) says:

    Elaycee
    Precisely what I thought when I heard the criticisms of Hosking. And when mikenmild suggests that a Hosking/Campbell balance is fair, you know labour don’t have a leg to stand on :)

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  8. Pete George (23,830 comments) says:

    Yesterday someone suggested Clayton Cosgrove may have photoshopped his hoarding photo.

    Maybe, maybe not, but he is promoting himself online using the same photo – and it’s the same photo he was using three years ago in the 2011 campaign.

    I’ve included a recent photo from Parliament in Cosgrove and Cosgrove.

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  9. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

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  10. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Wow, nothing like a good mass debate first thing in the morning – especially over our leaders debating!

    It doesn’t matter folks – pointless getting grey hairs over it!

    If either of the hosts are seen to be too biased, the viewers will simply give their sympathies to the person they feel was being treated unfairly – as has happened in the past.

    Research actually shows that when a moderator is in fact biased, they tend to over compensate by treating the person they least agree with, more favourably, to avoid displaying their preference.

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  11. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    We have a group of disabled soldiers heading off to the Invictus games. Paraplegics, lost limbs, a lost eye, pain they will have to live with for the rest of their lives. All though serving NZ overseas. I hadn’t even heard of these games until yesterday and it made me think that we learn of these injuries occurring and most of us experience relief that they have survived and then we don’t think about them any more. Shame on each of us. They become invisible and the media lose interest in them as well.

    Contrast that with the successful attention-seeking behaviour of the unharmed Billingsley. It certainly puts her clamouring for a Prime Ministerial apology into context.

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  12. EAD (1,452 comments) says:

    I don’t know what is the funniest thing to observe on Kiwiblog:

    * The debates between those with polemic entrenched views on subjects such as
    – Israel vs. Palestine
    – The official version vs. those questioning the official version of the 9/11 events
    These debates go on and on and I doubt that either side of the argument has managed to convince more than 2% to view things in a differing light

    * The debates between those that think there is some huge ideological gulf between Labour & National. Often these debates get down to reductio ad absurdum whereby some verbal gaffe shows to these believers minds how incompetent the other team is. While this debate goes on and on round in circles, both parties pursue an agenda that is social engineering New Zealand forever as if all its citizens are guinea pigs in a social experiment. http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/10302387/Change-is-all-around-us

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  13. oldpark (412 comments) says:

    After reading the comments of two of Wellington,s dinosaur Labour MPs Annette King,Grant Robertson endorsing the veto of the Basin Reserve flyover.Seems the people who are most affected in that particular area of Wellington,eg Eastern suburbs and Wellington Central forever support Labour in their voting.The mentality of the antideluvian MPs for nil progress in that area should be an election hot potato.Seems if either of the mentioned MPs are returned ,the decision will also be close to a binding referenda or at least a defacto one.To satisfy the most affected,and shut them up from eternal whingeing and moaning ,regarding traffic gridlock in that part of Wellington

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  14. flipper (4,332 comments) says:

    National should stick to its guns AND INSIST on Norman lining up with CminusT to face J Key.

    For J Key to go one on one with CminusT might be viewed as cruelty to a dumb animal, and result in an SPCA prosecution …… :-) :-)

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  15. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

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  16. Manolo (14,173 comments) says:

    Is Judith Peter George in drag? Has anyone seen the two together? :-)

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  17. Paulus (2,711 comments) says:

    In the upcoming Leader’s debate how are TVNZ going to stop it being the Hoskins Show ? He has greater gravitas that the other suggestion.
    If Campbell was doing it nobody would be allowed to get a word in anyway, without being continually interrupted by the Star of the show. He has shown his political colours too often.

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  18. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Manolo (13,318 comments) says:
    July 24th, 2014 at 8:34 am

    With all that is happening in the world, with an election looming, and so on, that was the most intelligent comment you could come up with? I feel for you, I really do – if your day is dominated by such concerns, you clearly have no life.

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  19. Pete George (23,830 comments) says:

    A wee change – <a href="http://yournz.org/2014/07/24/cosgrove-and-cosgrove/"<The Clayton's Photo…

    …the photo Cosgroive uses when he doesn’t want to use a photo.

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  20. Pete George (23,830 comments) says:

    At least we’re real people and not fake like you Manolo. You seem to have a thing about dressing in drag.

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  21. Manolo (14,173 comments) says:

    Ah, the feminist twins have spoken! From the same southern city and house, maybe?

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  22. peterwn (3,335 comments) says:

    oldpark- Grant Robertson is in a dilemma on this one (the flyover issue) since he depends on Green voters to keep him as the MP for Wellington Central. If he upsets the Greenies too much then they will vote for the Green candidate letting National’s Paul Foster-Bell win the seat.

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  23. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    The debates between those with polemic entrenched views on subjects such as
    – Israel vs. Palestine

    If you think it’s about Israel vs Palestine then you are completely missing the point. It’s about religion, deity, and the state. The polemic that it’s Israel/Jews vs Arabs/Muslims is superficial and misleading because Jews and Muslims worship the same deity. It’s about the acquisition of territory and influence by the state at the expense of non-citizens.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east

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  24. ShawnLH (6,693 comments) says:

    Oh dear Ugly. Ignoring your hilarious interpretation of yesterdays events for a moment, do you really think the majority of people on KB give a rats ass what you think about anything?

    You are a Jew hater. Trotting out one, and only one, academic, whose work is not widely regarded or respected, to try and prove you are not is just a dishonest smokescreen.

    The fact is your definition of Zionists means most Jews. To get around this, and the problem of how you know people will respond if your honest about your bigotry, you trot out a very fringe theory that allows you label all Palestinians Jews, and all actual Jews “Zionists”.

    But almost nobody, including note most Palestinians, takes this theory seriously. t’s just a fig leaf to try and hide your hatred for Jews.

    It’s a shell game, and in one fell swoop you almost achieve what Hitler wanted, the total annihilation of the Jewish people, by re-naming them.

    Now you can whine like spoiled child, and throw around infantile abuse, your usual response to anyone who disagrees with you, and clutter up another GD thread with your blatant lies and hate-filled bullshit, but I won’t be feeding your troll behavior today.

    Bye. Oh and if you’r not already on some kind of medication, you really should look into that.

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  25. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    nursey

    To paraphrase a well known idiot: I make no apology for articulating my first two immediate responses to learning of our people going to those games.

    In fact, my comment above was substantially modified. But since you raise the point with your accompanying inference, my actual reaction was this: “Jesus, and to think we just ignore these poor bastards while that deadshit self-absorbed little bitch hogs the headlines over fuck all”.

    The fact that those just happened to be, word for word, the first two thoughts that popped into my mind is something else that I make no apology for however, I acknowledge that to some, such as yourself and PG, my association of her demands for an apology with disabled service men and women is incontrovertible evidence of my support of a NZ rape culture.

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  26. flipper (4,332 comments) says:

    peterwn (3,142 comments) says:

    July 24th, 2014 at 8:46 am
    ****

    Could not have put it better!

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  27. Simon (780 comments) says:

    John Minto is protesting. He is so bad that whatever he protests about everyone else starts to support. People go fuck Israel cant be that bad if Minto is protesting agasint them.

    Ugly have you considered that John Minto is CIA or part of the American/ Zionist empire? Think Ugly think.

    Cut through the bull shit straight through the looking class on this one.

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  28. Manolo (14,173 comments) says:

    The Muslim savages claim “victory”: http://news.yahoo.com/world-suspension-israel-flights-great-victory-hamas-161508458.html

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  29. hj (7,167 comments) says:

    I see comments are off in the WP accusations case.
    http://www.3news.co.nz/Peters-accuses-EQC-whistleblower-of-fraud/tabid/817/articleID/353893/Default.aspx#disqus_thread

    I see 3 times more people turned up in Timaru (150) than turned up to hear Gareth Hughes [Press]

    I see Open Borders motormouth Philippe Legrain was Mike Moores advisor at the WTO. Legrain claimed on radionz Nights that if a migrant undercut for a service the person who lost out would get some other job. So if you got a person to mow the lawn for less the person who lost out gets to be a baby sitter (or something). Apparently all the studies supported that proposition.
    http://liberation.typepad.com/liberation/2007/01/the_liberal_cas.html

    I see 50,000 immigrants (biggest ever). Shame on Kiwis for coming home.

    I see Duncan Garner calls our economy a “porn economy” or “one hit wonder at best” {Sat Press}

    I see Philipino’s paying 1200 for a 4 BR house with one kitchen and toilet (9 sharing) a great achievement for the property people.

    I see the Jewish guy after Minto made Minto sound like George Patton [Morning Report]

    I see they are singing Winston’s praises at the standard. Funny as Lynn Prentice is is inclined to throw the bigot word around and Karol hoped Labour wasn’t going to cut back on immigration.
    http://thestandard.org.nz/nz-first-conference-sunday/

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  30. ShawnLH (6,693 comments) says:

    Out for the morning goose step hj? The war to save the white race must get trying, what all that sitting and typing and such. :)

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  31. wreck1080 (3,999 comments) says:

    Planting a new tree on one tree hill?

    It’ll last less than a year.

    Bets on that?

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  32. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    I will bet that any plant placed on one tree hill involving Maori hoha will die within a month.
    I have a big container of weed killer that guarantees it.

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  33. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    John Minto is protesting. He is so bad that whatever he protests about everyone else starts to support. People go fuck Israel cant be that bad if Minto is protesting agasint them.

    How do you explain the people is the street who agree with him?

    http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/07/20/5000-strong-march-calls-for-campaign-to-close-israeli-embassy/

    Ugly have you considered that John Minto is CIA or part of the American/ Zionist empire? Think Ugly think.

    A house divided against itself cannot stand.

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  34. hj (7,167 comments) says:

    ShawnLH (3,184 comments) says:
    July 24th, 2014 at 9:10 am

    Out for the morning goose step hj? The war to save the white race must get trying, what all that sitting and typing and such. :)
    ……
    I don’t suppose China has those problems eh? :)

    What Diversity Dividend?
    Professor Paul Spoonley

    Fantastic piece. Thanks so much.
    Vancouver’s experience is probably like Canada’s on the whole. Trudeau brought in multiculturalism by federal directive in the 70s (“Although there are two founding peoples there is no founding culture…” and that mirrored Laurier before him…) Then in 1982, multiculturalism was enshrined in the Charter. Then in the mid-80s a Conservative PM enacted the “Multiculturalism Act”.
    Now in Canada’s large cities it’s somewhat amusing to hear people speaking English. Fourth generation Canadians are seen as an amusing relic. Do you eat roasts? Do your parents wear sweaters to dinner and talk about classical music, ha ha ha?
    The reality is that in NZ, the hegemony of Anglo Saxon culture refuses to die.
    The Interfaith dialogue was a fantastic example of that. Also, we never had (much) immigration from Central, Eastern or Southern Europe. We still treat South Africans and Pomps as “one of us”.

    http://publicaddress.net/speaker/what-diversity-dividend/

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  35. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    Bye. Oh and if you’r not already on some kind of medication, you really should look into that.

    I’d get that punctuation disorder sorted out if I were you, people might start to mistake you for stevie boy.

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  36. oldpark (412 comments) says:

    @Peterwin.Maybe Robertson is just in the Wellington seat as a mouthpiece for riff raff,and people of his persuasion.His past and present track record confirms that .Surely if he was even half a man,he would represent the whole Wellington Central electorate,INCLUDING COMMON SENSE TRAFFIC FLYOVERS.

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  37. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ UglyTruth (3,932 comments) says:
    July 24th, 2014 at 8:53 am

    Actually it is about neither. It is more to do with death, and the fact that humans are the only species that are aware, of the awareness, that we are mortal. That mortality and the terror of the fact that we will one day die and rot, is the major influence in our cultural construction of our worldviews. When we are confronted with groups of people, (other cultures/religions), it challenges our inner most terror – that we are in fact going to die and there is nothing we can do about it.

    The strife is caused by our psychological inability to tolerate those who do not subscribe to our own particular death denying ideology (e.g. the difference between Jewish belief and the beliefs of others). Our culture/religion allows us to construct ‘symbolic immortality’ and when that is threatened by groups that have different meaning to our own world view, we are faced with that terror – so we fight against them, over land, over possessions, over rules, or simply because we can – anything to avoid the reality of our existence.

    This battle between Israelite’s and Palestine’s, is nothing more than a symbol of the paradox, that we carry a biological predisposition towards preservation, the will to survive, which facilitates a collective survival, but we are also aware that we must die – an existential paradox – that manifests itself in the intolerance we have towards others that do not share our same worldviews.

    The battle continues in one form another world wide – some of it historical and huge, some of it only minor – such as is demonstrated here on KB – as Ulysses said “History is a nightmare from which I’m trying to awaken”. Man’s inhumanity to man has a tangible historical record – there has been substantial collateral damage – world wars, mass exterminations, atom bombs and so on – the war between Israel and Palestine is not a relapse into barbarianism – we think we are nearing the height of civilisation, where material and intellectual attainments will create a truly free world – but in fact we are at the crossroads of human existence and closer to being the first species responsible for its own complete undoing.

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  38. Longknives (4,962 comments) says:

    Excellent decision by the Crown to appeal this ludicrous decision involving ‘Aotearoa’s Future King’-

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11298143

    Of course the usual suspects will cry ‘Racism’…

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  39. OneTrack (3,372 comments) says:

    “Planting a new tree on one tree hill?

    It’ll last less than a year.

    It will take five years of meetings and slap up meals, I mean koha, to even decide on what type of tree would be acceptable.

    Time to forget about the tree and rename the hill itself. Problem solved. You know they want to.

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  40. EAD (1,452 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH

    Yes hj might be a bit of a one trick pony but do you think he is right to have valid concerns with our mass immigration that is now importing over 100,000 newcomers a year?

    I mean, a quick glance at headlines over the past few days and we see:

    3 French international rugby players who survived an attempted murder with machetes and swords http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/club/10979171/Clermont-Auvergne-trio-Aurelien-Rougerie-Julien-Pierre-and-Benjamin-Kayser-attacked-with-machetes-and-swords.html

    Gangs in London using targeted rape lists to attack rival gangs ( I don’t think these are Oliver Twist type ruffians) http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/07/21/London-Gangs-Draw-Up-Rape-Lists-In-Proxy-Attacks-On-Rival-Gangs

    Extremely violent attacks on Jews in France http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/07/22/France-s-violent-new-form-of-anti-Semitism-fuels-exodus-to-Israel

    Teachers now being forced to report suspected forced marriages an incidences of FGM in Britain http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2702220/GPs-teachers-duty-report-forced-marriages-new-rules-parents-prosecuted-daughters-subjected-genital-mutilation.html

    Machete gang attacks, rape lists, rife antisemitism, forced marriages and fgm. Last time I checked these weren’t part of what I remember of French & British Culture. Perhaps hj has a valid concern about what happens when political elites attempt to dilute and destroy European cultures?

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  41. ShawnLH (6,693 comments) says:

    “I don’t suppose China has those problems eh?”

    Yes, it does. China is very diverse ethnically and culturally.

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  42. hj (7,167 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH
    China is very diverse ethnically and culturally
    ….
    China is very diverse ethnically and culturally but:

    “Chinese Ethnic Groups: Han People and 55 Ethnic Minorities. As a large united multi-national state, China is composed of 56 ethnic groups. Among them Han Chinese account for 91.59% of the overall Chinese population and the other 55 make up the remaining 8.41% according to the Fifth National Population Census of 2000.”
    http://www.travelchinaguide.com/intro/nationality/

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  43. Harriet (5,201 comments) says:

    “……The Israelis are the only people in the world who inhabit the same land, speak the same language, and worship the same God their ancestors did three thousand years ago.

    The homecoming of the Jews to Israel is so sure that you can dig anywhere in that young nation and find coins printed in Hebrew from as long ago as 135 AD. The longing of the Jewish people for their homeland has never been given up. For thousands of years they prayed, “Next year in Jerusalem.”

    Thus, we see why Israel needs to rely on herself for her defense. The Israelis have in their IDF the first Jewish army since the Bar Kochba revolt against the Roman Empire.

    Is there any other nation on Earth that cannot name its own capital? Was Jerusalem ever the capital of any other country? When the Jordanians controlled Jerusalem from 1949 to 1967, it was not their capital. Amman was. And the Turks, who ruled the Ottoman Empire for seven hundred years, never sought to make Jerusalem their capital.

    But when Germany reunited in 1990, with the able help of George H.W. Bush, the German Bundestag voted to move their capital from Bonn to Berlin. By 1999, dozens of foreign embassies had packed up their bags and quietly moved the 478 kilometers to Berlin. There was no controversy, no dispute. Not one country refused to recognize Berlin as the capital of a united Germany.

    Today, however, even the U.S. State Department, under orders from President Obama, former Sec. Hillary Clinton, and now, under Sec. of State John Kerry, refuses to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital. Hillary Clinton even went to the U.S. Supreme Court to deny the application of an American Jewish couple to have their child’s birth abroad certificate and passport list “Jerusalem, Israel” as the place of birth. The Supreme Court sided with Hillary and Obama in denying that Jerusalem is even part of the State of Israel.

    If the Israelites then weren’t afraid to take on the Romans, today’s Israelis are not going to back down against Iran or CNN…..”

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/07/washington_dc_where_christians_unite_for_israel.html

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  44. ShawnLH (6,693 comments) says:

    EAD,

    which of those articles was about NZ?

    NZ does not have a mass immigration problem, that is really my point. And those that do oppose mass immigration for valid reasons need to work hard to be clear that such opposition is not about racial or cultural purity, and hj looks shaky on that front at times.

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  45. Longknives (4,962 comments) says:

    Planting a tree is a pretty quick and easy process- Our ‘Tangata Whenua’ though, will somehow make it drag out for a years worth of taxpayer and ratepayer funded meetings and lunches, not to mention tens of thousands paid out in consultation fees and blessings etc etc
    They will make a killing out of it…a great gig if you can get it!

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  46. ShawnLH (6,693 comments) says:

    “China is composed of 56 ethnic groups.”

    Yup, what I said, China is ethnically diverse.

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  47. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Longknives (4,392 comments) says:
    July 24th, 2014 at 9:30 am

    It cannot be racist if the reason for doing it is because the sentence did not adequately reflect the severity of the crime/s.

    The sentence given, despite the fact it involved the Maori crown, was not discharged because it was ‘Maori’, but rather because it was deemed to be more severe than the warranted punishment. (The official reason).

    It was inequivalent to for example, a person being prevented from inheriting the family home if they had a criminal conviction. Did the crime warrant (was it severe enough for them to forgo that inheritance?).

    Therefore, in my opinion any claims of racism in this review are wrong – the crown simply feels that the sentence ie discharge was not adequate and did not reflect the crime.

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  48. EAD (1,452 comments) says:

    Shawn – we’ve had this argument already about you attacking strawmen (it may have been on central banks?).

    I used these examples in Britain and France as what happens when you bring alien cultures and tell them not to integrate (i.e. what multiculturalism is by definition) into stable societies. Chaos ALWAYS ensues, especially when the host government encourages the newcomers to feel like they are “victims” (when in reality they should feel extremely lucky to be given the chance of a better life).

    If you don’t think having more than a quarter of our country born overseas is extreme of an immigration rate 3 times the rate of Britain on a per head basis, is extreme, then feel free to disagree.

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  49. Slipster (198 comments) says:

    Remember the recent attepmts by certain parties to create a scandal over the so-called “Pay for access [to the govt ministers]”?
    I wonder what kind of stink would they raise if we had anything like this here:

    /quote

    Newspapers in Britain on Wednesday meanwhile called for Cameron’s Conservative party to hand back donations from Putin “cronies”, including a £160,000 auction bid by a Russian oligarch’s wife to play tennis with the prime minister.
    /unquote

    Tennis, anyone?

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  50. hj (7,167 comments) says:

    ShawnLH (3,188 comments) says:
    July 24th, 2014 at 9:38 am

    “China is composed of 56 ethnic groups.”

    Yup, what I said, China is ethnically diverse.
    ……..
    but you missed the proportions*. Han are hardly going to feel their culture, national identity and way of life is threatened.

    *Han Chinese account for 91.59% of the overall Chinese population and the other 55 make up the remaining 8.41%

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  51. freemark (664 comments) says:

    My God, out of the country for 10 days, come back and what do we see…
    That “alleged victim” (of her JK hatred more than anything else) still bleating on about an apology, abetted by KB’s own victim of her JK hatred…
    FFS….

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  52. ShawnLH (6,693 comments) says:

    “I used these examples in Britain and France as what happens when you bring alien cultures and tell them not to integrate”

    Your use of the word “alien” is telling.

    “and tell them not to integrate”

    You mean, like New York?

    You would have to define what “integrate” means more clearly.

    “Chaos ALWAYS ensues”

    No, sometimes it does, and sometimes it doesn’t. You’re dealing with such simplistic generalizations that it precludes talking deeply and seriously about the issue.

    “If you don’t think having more than a quarter of our country born overseas is extreme of an immigration rate 3 times the rate of Britain on a per head basis, is extreme, then feel free to disagree.”

    I do disagree. We have a generally well regulated system, not perfect, but not extreme. As to the issue of birth. who cares? I see no rational reason why that should matter.

    Let’s be clear. I don’t support academic, left wing multiculturalism. But I distinguish clearly between that and the simple fact of having a multi-ethnic society. The first can be a problem, especially if it opposes any integration at all. But the second is irrelevant. Multi-ethnic societies, which are not historically abnormal, can and do work.

    It’s about balance, and both the far right and the far left tend to get the balance wrong.

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  53. Longknives (4,962 comments) says:

    Try to read this without puking in your own mouth

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10304657/Dotcom-kicks-off-Internet-Party-party

    “The room suddenly fills up as Dotcom takes the stage.
    “That was so dope!” he exclaims
    “We make politics less boring and more fun.
    “Just imagine, in three years you could tell your parents what to do.”

    Then..
    “Wading through the crowd, like a beloved king, Dotcom high-fives his adoring fans..”

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  54. J Bloggs (252 comments) says:

    The cost of replacing the tree on One Tree Hill will be $250,039.95.

    $100,000 in “consultation” and Koha
    $100,000 for the planting ceremony (including traffic management, RMA consent and labour)
    $50,000 for the state-of-the-art CCTV security surveillance system, which will fail to prevent the new tree being attacked.
    $39.95 for the tree

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  55. OneTrack (3,372 comments) says:

    “That “alleged victim” (of her JK hatred more than anything else) still bleating on about an apology”

    Any alleged sexual assault seems to be long forgotten and now it’s all about “John Key looked bored when I saw him on TV. Wah. Wah”.

    NZ doesn’t have a rape culture. But it does seem to have a whining culture of the perpetually offended.

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  56. ShawnLH (6,693 comments) says:

    ” Han are hardly going to feel their culture, national identity and way of life is threatened.”

    Neither do I. And I would argue that “NZ culture” if that has any real inherent meaning, is also not threatened.

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  57. Ryan Sproull (7,360 comments) says:

    I still reckon that UglyTruth is employed by the Israeli government to post comments on New Zealand’s most popular political blog in ways that associate genuine valid criticism of Israel with nutty 9/11 conspiracy theories.

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  58. EAD (1,452 comments) says:

    Shawn – you are right, it shouldn’t matter where you are born. But the big problem is our Marxist 3 main parties don’t see us as all being New Zealanders but rather as being Pakeha, Maori, their new term “Pasifika”, Asian New Zealand etc. As such, that causes division, especially when we are encouraged to vote, not for people who share our ideas, but rather share the same race, sexuality etc.

    PS: have you even been to “modern” New York (Manhattan is a small part of New York you realise)? Do you know what policies their current and former mayors/political elites have been forcing on them?

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  59. Simon (780 comments) says:

    Ugly the people protesting along side Minto are few. It is the main stream opinion that counts for the AMerican empire. The Americans cant operate with out controlling the message.

    It is well known for eg that the American empire controls far left environmental groups. Far better for Saudi to dig its oil out of the ground at US$100 a barrel than the US to do it now. Wait for oil to be US300 a barrel then the yanks will dig. Hence American empire to run groups to stop drilling in the US. NZ own protestors agasinst mining and drilling are pawns of the US empire.

    Not everyone in particluar far left group is part of the CIA only those directing. Strongly suspect Minto is CIA.

    The East Germans got the Green party up in running in West Germany in the 1950s & 60s. The yanks have learnt.

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  60. hj (7,167 comments) says:

    ShawnLH
    NZ does not have a mass immigration problem, that is really my point. And those that do oppose mass immigration for valid reasons need to work hard to be clear that such opposition is not about racial or cultural purity, and hj looks shaky on that front at times.
    ………….
    NZ doesn’t have open borders but is has had a policy choice of increased migration over the last 20 years. Governments are elected to look after the best interests of their citizens.
    According to the Savings Working Group and Treasury and Reserve Bank sources it hasn’t made us better off. The Savings Working Group say it appears to have worked directly against the adjustments the economy needed to make. Our immigration has been one of the highest in the OECD.
    Their is plenty of evidence that this has been part of a social experiment to deliberately make us mulitcultural and it isn’t hard to believe that lobbying by vested interests has played a role.
    ….
    hj looks shaky on that front at times.

    as I said yesterday it is about exchange for ordinary people: they migrate here; we migrate there. Similar qualities of life.

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  61. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    that we are in fact going to die and there is nothing we can do about it.

    Immortality is a major tenet of Christianity, and it’s also described in the other two Abrahamic religions. It involves transcending human nature, it’s not really species related.

    the war between Israel and Palestine is not a relapse into barbarianism

    I dunno.

    An Israeli academic has claimed that raping wives and mothers of Palestinian Hamas militants is the only thing that could deter further terrorist attacks.
    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/israeli-professor-rape-hamas-militiants-mothers-sisters-deter-terrorist-attacks-1457836

    we think we are nearing the height of civilisation, where material and intellectual attainments will create a truly free world – but in fact we are at the crossroads of human existence and closer to being the first species responsible for its own complete undoing.

    That’s pretty close to the mark IMO. Civilization in the modern sense implies the existence of the state, to transcend the human condition involves questioning the assumption that the state serves the well-being of society.

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  62. ShawnLH (6,693 comments) says:

    ” But the big problem are Marxist 3 main parties don’t see us as all bein New Zealanders but rather as being Pakeha, Maori, their new term “Pasifika”, Asian New Zealand etc. As such, that causes division,”

    We already have division, and we always have in NZ, right from the start.

    So, my understanding is that division to a degree is a reality we have to deal with as a society.

    Back to the US for a moment. For a long time, especially in the South, but elsewhere as well, it was common for many Americans to identify by their state of birth, such as Florida or Kentucky. There was a time when if you asked a man from Kentucky if they were American and their response would have been “No, I’m Kentuckian.”

    So, prior to the New Deal and the Welfare State, the US was a model, imperfectly of course, of a very diverse society. It still is. Each State has it’s own laws, in addition to the common federal laws.

    So to me the issue is not unity/integration vs lefty multiculturalism, but what is the best way to deal with the reality of diversity in society.

    So I favor the early American model of decentralization and diversity combined with a general sense of national unity. Rather than set these two options against each other, I belive both are achievable.

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  63. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    I still reckon that UglyTruth is employed by the Israeli government to post comments on New Zealand’s most popular political blog in ways that associate genuine valid criticism of Israel with nutty 9/11 conspiracy theories.

    Like the Redbaiter of the tinfoil hat crowd, you mean?

    BTW, what part of the official US admission of the existence of evidence linking Israelis to 9/11 do you think is nutty?

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  64. EAD (1,452 comments) says:

    With even the Telegraph starting to sound like Zerohedge, it might be worth adding a little bit of gold and silver to your portfolio….

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jeremywarner/100027703/get-ready-for-the-big-one-as-toppy-markets-ride-for-a-fall/

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  65. Slipster (198 comments) says:

    UglyTruth, 8:01
    “So, if after reading this you don’t detect a certain smell”

    Yes Ugly, we do – you stink. That horrible smell emanating from your every post – just BARF.
    And what’s more – you know that.

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  66. Ryan Sproull (7,360 comments) says:

    Like the Redbaiter of the tinfoil hat crowd, you mean?

    BTW, what part of the official US admission of the existence of evidence linking Israelis to 9/11 do you think is nutty?

    Exactly what an Israel-paid plant to discredit valid criticism of Israel would say.

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  67. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Tin foil makers must love you guys

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  68. hj (7,167 comments) says:

    ShawnLH (3,191 comments) says:
    We already have division, and we always have in NZ, right from the start.
    ………
    Not true.

    I have never seen a time when there is less connection between politicians and people.
    I suspect JK appeals strongly to the “I’m doing all right keep up the good work” crowd, whereas the rest have an odd bunch.
    As for the rest they have no appeal to a national identity.

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  69. dime (10,215 comments) says:

    Have the Israelis finished off the rag heads yet? Blown up the tunnels etc?

    Its hard to get updates. Been busy. Had to rely on our media who just seem upset that more jews arent dying to even it up

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  70. ShawnLH (6,693 comments) says:

    Hj, there was division between Maori and Europeans, and between Chinese and Europeans, in the 19th century in NZ.

    I have no idea what your take on current politics has to do with that fact.

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  71. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    Ugly the people protesting along side Minto are few. It is the main stream opinion that counts for the AMerican empire.

    Empires are heirarchcial, those at the bottom have little power to direct the empire itself.

    The Americans cant operate with out controlling the message.

    Hard to argue with that.

    It is well known for eg that the American empire controls far left environmental groups. Far better for Saudi to dig its oil out of the ground at US$100 a barrel than the US to do it now. Wait for oil to be US300 a barrel then the yanks will dig. Hence American empire to run groups to stop drilling in the US. NZ own protestors agasinst mining and drilling are pawns of the US empire.

    Yeah, control of energy is a major issue, especially if you take a look as the situation in the Ukraine. But there’s no point in trying to fix energy until you’ve got security.

    Not everyone in particluar far left group is part of the CIA only those directing. Strongly suspect Minto is CIA.

    I don’t know much about him. I try to focus on the issue rather than getting caught up with personalities.

    The East Germans got the Green party up in running in West Germany in the 1950s & 60s. The yanks have learnt.

    The rise of the fourth reich. Interesting times, indeed.

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  72. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    “BTW, what part of the official US admission of the existence of evidence linking Israelis to 9/11 do you think is nutty?”

    Exactly what an Israel-paid plant to discredit valid criticism of Israel would say.

    Your theory is crazy, but it’s not crazy enough to be true. ~ Niels Bohr

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  73. stephieboy (3,533 comments) says:

    EAD, again a reminder in respect of your fetish with Gold,

    The Gold Standard of Lunacy,

    http://theaporetic.com/?p=914

    Possibly the Daily Telegraph may of caught the gold bug.

    http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-01-07/10-reasons-the-gold-bugs-lost-their-shirts

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  74. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    Have the Israelis finished off the rag heads yet? Blown up the tunnels etc?

    The PR machine is still running….

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/15326#

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  75. cricko (452 comments) says:

    ‘Islam 101 ‘by Gregory M Davis is so instructive a treatise on Islam that it has been hacked.

    At the moment I can’t access it, even through ‘Jihad Watch’ access has been hacked.

    Can a more computer literate person than me provide a link ?

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  76. stephieboy (3,533 comments) says:

    UglyTruth (3,938 comments) says:
    July 24th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    Full of crap yet again. Americans controlling what message. ? Your links your fond of referring tend to show otherwise .

    American Empire controlling environment groups ? Could the poster or you expand on that..?

    The US imports only about 17% of its oil and energy requirements from the Middle East .

    Does America e.g control Russian or Iraqi Oil.?

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  77. ShawnLH (6,693 comments) says:

    Stephie, stop talking about facts. You’ll confuse poor Ugly. At least wrap the facts up with juicy tales about the Queen kidnapping Canadian children, or how the evil Jews….sorry…”Zionists” are taking over the world led by their alien lizard overlords. You have to give him something for his mind to be able to grasp, and reality is not his strong point. :)

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  78. Jack5 (5,281 comments) says:

    Shawn LH posted:

    I favor the early American model of decentralization and diversity combined with a general sense of national unity.

    You mean assimilation, Shawn? Like the kids in American schools saluting the American flag and chanting with their hands over their hearts. In my view, American-style assimilation is the way to weld a society out of diverse groups. France, Britain, and perhaps in future New Zealand, will suffer from multiculturalism, which is the antithesis of assimilation.

    What New Zealand has done right, and continues to do right, is to have a high rate of intermarriage between ethnic groups. I would like to see more overt assimilation in our schools to complement that. And I don’t mean more Maori language and kapa haka. English is the current lingua franca of the world, and the language of world popular culture. Emphasis should be on this and on stitching kids into New Zealand attitudes.

    As a side point, I think it’s ridiculous to call China diverse. With more than 91 per cent of the population Han Chinese, with one increasingly national language, with a common Communist political ideology (albeit with a state-communist economy), with many of the minorities genetically close to the CHinese (as close as English, Dutch, Germans, and Scandinavians), China, with its neighbours the Koreas, and Japan, form a bloc of some of the least diverse countries in the world.

    I regret to see Jewishness creeping into discussion on this issue. I’m not Jewish, but in my opinion, NZ would have been a smarter and better-off country now if we had opened our doors to thousands, instead of hundreds of Jewish refugees in the 1930s. Their culture and religion, with that of the Ancient Greeks, is at the core of Western civilisation.

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  79. oldpark (412 comments) says:

    Heard the new name for Harawira/dotcom party .Manazi Party,how appropriate.

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  80. ShawnLH (6,693 comments) says:

    “You mean assimilation, Shawn? Like the kids in American schools saluting the American flag and chanting with their hands over their hearts.”

    I said the early American model. The Pledge was not introduced until 1942, although I don’t see the Pledge as a problem.

    The problem with these debates is the assumption that we have to choose between unity and diversity, when we can have both.

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  81. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    Global Research on the Gaza media spin:

    Major media outlets have been caught in lies and misrepresentations. ABC News may have been the most blatant when it showed video of Palestinians running for their lives and said they were Israelis. ABC was forced to admit the obvious lie, but that does not change their bias. The NY Times was caught changing the headline about the horrific killing of four young Palestinian boys playing on the beach. The pro-war bias of the Times is evident on many fronts of war. NBC has also become embroiled in controversy around its reporting as it removed a journalist who has been reporting on what is occurring in Gaza, and who witnessed the four children being killed by Israel at the beach just before the ground invasion began. The pressure grew so quickly that NBC was forced to reinstate the reporter. It is evident the US media cannot be trusted when it comes to their reporting on what is actually occurring in Palestine.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-empire-reaches-breaking-point-greatest-threat-to-humanity-time-to-end-it

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  82. stephieboy (3,533 comments) says:

    UNRWA CONDEMNS PLACEMENT OF ROCKETS, FOR A SECOND TIME, IN ONE OF ITS ( Hamas ) SCHOOLS,

    http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns-placement-rockets-second-time-

    and,

    http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/21/idf-hamas-uses-residential-neighborhood-of-shujaiya-as-fortress-for-its-weapons/

    Helloooo…! ,Yoza, Ugly Truth and coy

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  83. Manolo (14,173 comments) says:

    To delight the Messiah’s cheerleaders: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/23/fox-news-poll-58-percent-say-obama-administration-incompetent-at-managing-govt/

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  84. mikenmild (12,402 comments) says:

    The media balance is possibly shifting in the US:
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/07/21/broadcasts_of_palestinians_killed_in_the_current_round_of_violence_with.html

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  85. Ross12 (1,486 comments) says:

    I see the latest UN sponsored climate change talkfest has concluded that we need to rid the world of the capitalist system to save the world –I presume that means communism !! So maybe they have proved the water melon label is correct.

    http://www.cityam.com/1406127764/climate-change-conference-calls-end-capitalism

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  86. stephieboy (3,533 comments) says:

    Manolo, I wasn’t aware how pro Obama Fox News was.?

    Why the change of heart.!

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  87. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    An old Hindu proverb as heard on It Ain’t Half Hot Mum ..

    Happiness is as the butterfly
    if you can catch it in your hand
    you must either
    let it fly away
    or keep it
    and watch it die

    Beautiful!

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  88. Scott (1,807 comments) says:

    Ugly truth – I don’t think I got a straight answer yesterday so I will ask again. Do you think Israel has a right to exist? I mean the state of Israel that exists now, in your opinion does it have a right to exist?

    I am a simple fellow so please keep the answer simple – yes or no, with reason for answer will suffice. Thank you.

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  89. stephieboy (3,533 comments) says:

    DPF and Cameron Slater would be all over this one if Claudette Hauiti was a Green or Labour list MP,

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10301231/Hauiti-protected-to-the-bitter-end

    Why the coyness lads .?

    Politics as per usual.?

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  90. Yoza (1,926 comments) says:

    stephieboy (2,150 comments) says:
    July 24th, 2014 at 11:40 am

    UNRWA CONDEMNS PLACEMENT OF ROCKETS, FOR A SECOND TIME, IN ONE OF ITS ( Hamas ) SCHOOLS,

    http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns-placement-rockets-second-time-

    and,

    http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/21/idf-hamas-uses-residential-neighborhood-of-shujaiya-as-fortress-for-its-weapons/

    Helloooo…! ,Yoza, Ugly Truth and coy

    The second link you provide has links provided by the IDF, how anyone can accept ‘evidence’ from such a biased source is beyond me.

    The first link is more concerning as the UN agency points out it has strict guidelines which ensure its neutrality. In both cases the schools were vacant and more than likely used by opportunists looking to disperse their assets as widely as possible – apparently Palestinian families do something similar when the Israelis are shelling their homes, they place their kids in the corners of different rooms so if their house is hit there is at least the chance some family members will survive.

    There is an ongoing narrative in the mainstream media presenting Hamas as a rigid hierarchical structure that controls Gaza with military precision. The reality seems to be a much more fractured structure that works with disparate groups to maintain a semblance of a cohesive social structure, I doubt the Hamas leadership gets much say in where its militants hide their weapons – let alone where other militant groups stash theirs.

    What I do know is that slaughter everyone within a hundred meter radius of the suspected weapons cache is guaranteed to insure their will be a ready supply of volunteers for future conflict.

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  91. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    Scott, you didn’t get an answer yesterday because you didn’t clarify your question.

    I’m not gong to give you an opinion on this because it’s a good question and it’s important to address it as a matter of fact rather than just an opinion.

    The right for a thing to exist is a quality that is derived from the creator of that thing. For example, a contract has a right to exist but a crime has no right to exist. This is because the natural right of liberty places limits on behaviour. For a state to have a right to exist, the ethical nature of that state must conform to the ethical nature of its creator. This condition repeats until it meets an uncreated creator, the deity of the law of nature.

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  92. mikenmild (12,402 comments) says:

    Clear enough for you Scott?

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  93. stephieboy (3,533 comments) says:

    Yoza , here is an example of your biased Western Media attempting to provide a more impartial and sober perspective on Hamas and Human Shields,

    http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/23/world/meast/human-shields-mideast-controversy/index.html

    But I suppose nothing will satisfy you unless its from the likes of e.g. Deomcracy Now, Glenn Greenwald , Noam Chomsky etc and official Hamas Communiqués .

    UN agencies needs to be neutral.??

    Yet its Ok for UN Human Rights Commissioner Navi Pillay to accuse Israel of War Crimes,. ?

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/23/israel-may-have-committed-war-crimes-in-gaza-un

    And its OK for the UN Committee on Human Rights to accuse Israel of human rights violations but turn a blind eye to those manifest in e.g iran, Saudi Arabia and the Sudan ,

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  94. Komata (1,220 comments) says:

    UT

    I read your reply to Scott with interest.

    Thank you for confirming that, in your view, the state of Israel does have a right to exist.

    Progress indeed!

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  95. hj (7,167 comments) says:

    ShawnLH (3,195 comments) says:
    July 24th, 2014 at 10:28 am

    Hj, there was division between Maori and Europeans, and between Chinese and Europeans, in the 19th century in NZ.

    I have no idea what your take on current politics has to do with that fact.
    ……..
    There is one important century between the 19th and 21st.
    The 12st Centrury was Godzone. There were two world wars “where Britain goes we go” People felt comfortable being part of that national identity.
    What’s more it was in the 20th Century that immigration started producing diminishing returns. The great experiment begun under labour failed to make us better off. It continues because we have a population ponzi to keep the construction/property etc sectors busy.

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  96. dime (10,215 comments) says:

    Im struggling to post in the questions thread… so part 2 of todays questions:

    6. CATHERINE DELAHUNTY to the Minister of Education: What was the split, if any, by percentage, of enrolment into private, public and home-based ECE in the Better Public Service targets “Result 2: Increase Participation in ECE”, and what was the relative increases/decreases, for each, from the previous year?

    Jesus. Was that even a sentence you nut job? Here’s what happened. We offered free shit and some loser parents didn’t take the offer up because it would involve getting out of bed before midday and its fucking cold outside.

    We surveyed some Maoris and they said they don’t want a bar of it cause Delahunty is an MP and 150 years ago her family were cunts. They said if you could show some remorse, some guilt then they would be all over it. But they see you as an arrogant whitey who hates maori.

    7. Hon ANNETTE KING to the Minister of Health: Does he stand by his statement that resources in Budget 2014 “will help us continue to improve frontline health services for New Zealanders”?

    Listen King, whenyou were the Minister, I used to drive past hospitals. They would have giant billboards. The picture would be some brown skin with a head set on and the tag line would be “fancy a career in health”?.

    The money you assholes wasted employing admin staff makes me sick to my stomach. You are banned from discussing health.

    8. MIKE SABIN to the Minister for Primary Industries: What recent announcements has he made regarding Government support for the primary sector in Northland?

    Boring.

    9. Hon NANAIA MAHUTA to the Minister of Māori Affairs: E whakamanawa ana a ia kei te hangai Te Pire Reo Māori ki ngā mātāpono o Te Tiriti o Waitangi?

    Fuck bro, I have no idea what youre saying and I don’t care.
    Piss off, no way it’s a chick..

    10. JULIE ANNE GENTER to the Minister of Transport: Will he increase investment in better public transport infrastructure in light of the poll this week showing Aucklanders favour public transport spending by a four-to-one margin over roads?

    Which poll? Was it a poll of feminist green members? Piss off. We are going build road on top of road.
    “ordinary new Zealanders” like their fucking cars!

    They like freedom! They don’t want to be socialist drones.

    Whats with the awful bone carving necklace? Trying to hide the fact that youre some septic yank who moved here to tell us how to live? Piss off back to texas or wherever it is you came from

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  97. dime (10,215 comments) says:

    Part 2 of questions that I cant seem to post in the right thread:

    CATHERINE DELAHUNTY to the Minister of Education: What was the split, if any, by percentage, of enrolment into private, public and home-based ECE in the Better Public Service targets “Result 2: Increase Participation in ECE”, and what was the relative increases/decreases, for each, from the previous year?

    Jesus. Was that even a sentence you nut job? Here’s what happened. We offered free shit and some loser parents didn’t take the offer up because it would involve getting out of bed before midday and its fucking cold outside.

    We surveyed some Maoris and they said they don’t want a bar of it cause Delahunty is an MP and 150 years ago her family were cunts. They said if you could show some remorse, some guilt then they would be all over it. But they see you as an arrogant whitey who hates maori.

    7. Hon ANNETTE KING to the Minister of Health: Does he stand by his statement that resources in Budget 2014 “will help us continue to improve frontline health services for New Zealanders”?

    Listen King, whenyou were the Minister, I used to drive past hospitals. They would have giant billboards. The picture would be some brown skin with a head set on and the tag line would be “fancy a career in health”?.

    The money you assholes wasted employing admin staff makes me sick to my stomach. You are banned from discussing health.

    8. MIKE SABIN to the Minister for Primary Industries: What recent announcements has he made regarding Government support for the primary sector in Northland?

    Boring.

    9. Hon NANAIA MAHUTA to the Minister of Māori Affairs: E whakamanawa ana a ia kei te hangai Te Pire Reo Māori ki ngā mātāpono o Te Tiriti o Waitangi?

    Fuck bro, I have no idea what youre saying and I don’t care.
    Piss off, no way it’s a chick..

    10. JULIE ANNE GENTER to the Minister of Transport: Will he increase investment in better public transport infrastructure in light of the poll this week showing Aucklanders favour public transport spending by a four-to-one margin over roads?

    Which poll? Was it a poll of feminist green members? Piss off. We are going build road on top of road.
    “ordinary new Zealanders” like their fucking cars! They like freedom! They don’t want to be socialist drones.
    Whats with the awful bone carving necklace? Trying to hide the fact that youre some septic yank who moved here to tell us how to live? Piss off back to texas or wherever it is you came from

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  98. dime (10,215 comments) says:

    Dime is having trouble posting in the questions thread..

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  99. RRM (10,099 comments) says:

    All of that shit a few posts above just goes to show how pointless a discussion based on “rights” is.

    Rights are not things that exist, they are not natural (physical or chemical) laws.

    They are merely courtesies that some human beings choose to offer to one another, when we believe that is a good thing to do.

    So no, Israel does not “have a right to exist”… any more than Palestine “has a right to exist”… or Hone Harawira or John Key or Pope Ratz the Retired “have a right to exist”.

    But nevertheless, they do exist.

    Hope they’re making the most of it.

    Israel are making the most of their existence by making damn sure Hamas and the like do not harm them. I can’t really blame them…?

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  100. ShawnLH (6,693 comments) says:

    “Scott, you didn’t get an answer yesterday because you didn’t clarify your question.

    I’m not gong to give you an opinion”

    Translation: My answer is that the filthy Jews—-er—“Zionists” I mean (whew, that was close, nearly let the cat out of the bag) have no right to even exist, let alone have their own state. But I’m too much of a gutless coward to say this outright, so I’m going to try to baffle you with bullshit, and argue about the meaning of words instead.”

    That should help Scott. :)

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  101. Scott (1,807 comments) says:

    Ugly truth – thank you for your answer. However I have now read your post 3 times and what I understand is that – you are not going to answer the question. After that your explanation is a little deep and confusing I am afraid. However I wonder whether your answer really deep down is “no”?

    The reason I asked this is that some people would unequivocally say that no, Israel does not have a right to exist. Hamas would say that Israel does not have a right to exist. And seeing they are in charge of Gaza at present it would appear that Israel faces an intractable foe who wants to destroy it. Whether Israel is tolerant or nice is not actually the issue for Hamas. They are dedicated to the destruction of the State of Israel.It’s in their charter and that’s why they are firing rockets into Israel, some 1200 at last count, and kidnapped and murdered 3 Israeli teenagers.

    Given that Israel does not occupy any square inch of Gaza then the people of Israel are perfectly within their rights to defend themselves.

    Why well educated Westerners would ever want to support Hamas is completely beyond me?

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  102. ShawnLH (6,693 comments) says:

    “There is one important century between the 19th and 21st.
    The 12st Centrury was Godzone. There were two world wars “where Britain goes we go” People felt comfortable being part of that national identity.”

    That identity made some sense up until the 1970’s and Britain’s entry into the European Common Market. But even then it was not universal. Catholic Irish in particular tended to see things differently.

    But it’s gone and it’s unlikely to make a comeback, and this really has very little to do with immigration and more to do with the globalization of trade, media and communications. Economic reality, American sitcomes and the Internet have likely done more to change the supposed national identity of NZ than immigration has.

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  103. Pete George (23,830 comments) says:

    Gerry Brownlee has offered his resignation as Minister of Transport after taking an airport security shortcut.

    Sounds like a gesture, front footing it to minimise the damage.

    http://yournz.org/2014/07/24/brownlee-offers-resignation/

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  104. Pete George (23,830 comments) says:

    Laura McQuillan ‏@mcquillanatorz

    Key rejects Brownlee’s offer to resign. Says he’s “very disappointed” with his transport minister’s airport barge though

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  105. mikenmild (12,402 comments) says:

    ‘Hamas would say that Israel does not have a right to exist. And seeing they are in charge of Gaza at present it would appear that Israel faces an intractable foe who wants to destroy it.’
    There might be just the teeniest gap between what Hamas might want and what it might ever achieve.

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  106. freemark (664 comments) says:

    Aviation Security laws are a joke anyway, but I’m sure it was an honest mistake – if a door opens, go through it I say.
    Me (tidy looking pakeha) with 2 young daughters in tow picked up for a “random” explosive sniffer test in Auckland last week..the guy who picked me wasn’t even embarrassed at the pointlessness of it.
    Certain domestic flights within NZ have no carry on bag scanning, even though the machinery is sitting there.
    Cruise ships have scanners now – more to make sure you won’t carry on your own booze & do them out of revenue methinks…

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  107. ShawnLH (6,693 comments) says:

    “There might be just the teeniest gap between what Hamas might want and what it might ever achieve.”

    The problem Mike, and the problem with much of the commentary here, is that you’re not seeing the issue from a Jewish pov, which is likely to take any talk of threats very seriously. It’s easy for non-Jews to dismiss the very real thrat of Arab/Islamic xtremists, because you’re not personally at threat. But Jews will understandably, take a different view.

    After all, people dismissed the threat of a fringe, strange and rather silly political party in the 1920’s.

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  108. hj (7,167 comments) says:

    Labour in New Zealand avoided a “programmatic” approach to multiculturalism, which may have helped reduce societal tensions and prevent an ideological backlash

    Although Labour and its coalition partners introduced a range of policies designed to recognise and support diversity from 1999, no attempt was made to sell them as an ideological or programmatic package called “multiculturalism”.

    This may, in part, have been due to a fear of alienating the historically Labour-aligned indigenous Maori vote – many Maori advocated a system of “biculturalism” – but also avoided backlash from those convinced that the “privileges” Maori enjoyed under biculturalism would, under multiculturalism, be extended to other ethnic minority groups at the expense of European New Zealanders.

    Under Labour, therefore, New Zealand remained officially a bicultural nation, although Prime Minister Helen Clark often spoke of New Zealand as a “multicultural society” and Labour’s settlement and ethnic policies might elsewhere be called “multicultural”. These policies may well have reduced tensions between migrants and the host society.

    http://policy-network.net/pno_detail.aspx?ID=3918&title=The+politics+of+immigration+and+multiculturalism+in+New+Zealand
    Sneaky!? :shock:

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  109. hj (7,167 comments) says:

    You know how you hide the pill to give to the doggy?

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  110. Scott Hamilton (343 comments) says:

    Chin up, lads – Act’s new star will stop those Muzzies in their tracks
    http://readingthemaps.blogspot.co.nz/2014/07/legalise-p-but-ban-koran-politics-of.html

    He doesn’t seem very keen on left footers either, though…

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  111. stephieboy (3,533 comments) says:

    From simon at 10.04am,

    A part from ” America controlling the message “The East Germans got the Green party up in running in West Germany in the 1950s & 60s. The yanks have learnt”

    The most bizarre comment for today. Fox News , Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin fodder.!

    But maybe simon was been sarcy.?

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  112. mikenmild (12,402 comments) says:

    Shawn
    Israel hasn’t faced any existential threat since at least the mid-1970s. It is a regional superpower and is effectively invulnerable to any significant attacks.

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  113. Pete George (23,830 comments) says:

    @GraemeEdgeler

    Huh. Brownlee appears not to have broken the law. The offence in the act only requires you to leave if asked and the infringement offence in the rules allows a defence for people who hold boarding passes.

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  114. wreck1080 (3,999 comments) says:

    they should fire the people that let brownlee through. Unacceptable breach.

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  115. Longknives (4,962 comments) says:

    Surely the Nats know that the Left Wing media are looking for ANYTHING to discredit them going into the Election..What the hell was Gerry thinking?

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  116. Longknives (4,962 comments) says:

    And I stand by my assertion that Claudette Hauiti will re-emerge with Mana or the Greens in the near future…

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  117. David Garrett (7,701 comments) says:

    This is the first and may well be the last time I support Stephie boy..

    This Hauiti woman must hold some kind of record for the number of stuff ups involving money in the shortest time…It seems she has only been in there for five minutes, and there are now – if I count correctly – THREE instances where she has used her parliamentary charge card wrongly…and they are in addition to the “employing her wife” stuff up which first brought her to wider notice…

    She cant claim to be a stranger to expense accounts…she was formerly a senior producer at TV One, and presumably had an expense account there…perhaps TV One lets its employees away with charging up petrol for the car??

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  118. Pete George (23,830 comments) says:

    I’d have thought that just about anyone in a new job would find out how to handle expenses and company cards before charging anything up. It’s employment 101.

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  119. hj (7,167 comments) says:

    Only one in five white Britons votes for Labour

    The divide between London’s white and ethnic minority voters will be laid bare in a shocking study this week.

    The research into London’s recent European election result shows two thirds of white British voters backed either the Tories or Ukip.

    It goes on to reveal that two thirds of non-white voters supported Labour, which received the backing of just one in five white British voters.

    The analysis suggests that the migration of ethnic minority voters to the capital’s inner suburbs is behind recent Labour victories there.

    But it also comes amid debate among senior Labour voices over how to respond to the rise of Ukip support among white working class voters.

    The analysis highlights that there are now almost as many non-white as there are white British voters in London.

    The research is co-authored by former Equalities and Human Rights Commission chief Trevor Phillips. He said: “At the heart of these findings is the fact that there are now nearly as many minority voters in London as there are white British voters.

    “But the fact that two out of three minority voters stick with Labour irrespective of where they live or how well-off they are is transforming the capital’s politics. What we’re seeing is the emergence of cultural politics…voters seem to want to vote for parties that they feel understand and like them and shun parties they think don’t fit the bill.”

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/only-one-in-five-white-britons-votes-for-labour-9604547.html

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  120. Fletch (6,529 comments) says:

    A super simplified cartoon of Israel and Palestine that even kids can understand.

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  121. stephieboy (3,533 comments) says:

    Longkives, are you attempting to justify and rationalize Claudette’s actions. ???

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  122. Longknives (4,962 comments) says:

    Only Van Halen (NOT Van Hagar) can bring true peace to the Middle East…

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  123. Longknives (4,962 comments) says:

    Stephie- No I’m disgusted by her actions. I’m a National/National voter but this woman is a bloody disgrace and shame on the Nats for enabling her crooked behaviour..What the hell were they thinking?
    She is as dodgy as a two-bob watch..
    (Hence my assertion that she will re-emerge with Mana or the Greens)

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  124. hj (7,167 comments) says:

    What we’re seeing is the emergence of cultural politics…voters seem to want to vote for parties that they feel understand and like them and shun parties they think don’t fit the bill.”

    ….
    Labour thinks it just needs to change the captain and the flock will return.

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  125. David Garrett (7,701 comments) says:

    PG: agreed…and as I have posted here before, it is actually very very easy for an MP to find out what is OK and what isn’t…and if you have half a brain, if there is any doubt you err on the side of caution…

    This woman seems to have acted like a gambling addict let loose at Sky City with a charge card with an unlimited balance…

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  126. MT_Tinman (3,322 comments) says:

    DG, at what stage does this misuse of taxpayer funds become criminal?

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  127. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Labour thinks it just needs to change the captain and the flock will return.

    Why shouldn’t it work, it worked for National in the past, lest ya forget 2002.

    National will win this election, but not because everyone that votes for them can assimilate with their own culture, but because there simply is not a viable alternative. That is very different to them winning because people see similar cultural values to their own.

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  128. dime (10,215 comments) says:

    “What we’re seeing is the emergence of cultural politics…voters seem to want to vote for parties that they feel understand and like them and shun parties they think don’t fit the bill.”

    LOL I’ll fix it

    “What we’re seeing is the emergence of cultural politics…Non-white voters seem to want to vote for parties that they feel will give them the most free shit. the also like parties who will reduce the rights of locals in favor of political correctness and appeasing non-whites”

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  129. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    freemark (430 comments) says:
    July 24th, 2014 at 2:12 pm

    Certain domestic flights within NZ have no carry on bag scanning, even though the machinery is sitting there.

    That is because certain domestic flights involve aircraft that do not have the ability to leave the country and are therefore deemed not to be a risk of terrorism. Of course that can be disputed, but I believe that is why only the bigger flights are scanned.

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  130. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    From the Jerusalem Post:

    http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Liberman-to-Ban-Israel-outraged-over-UNRWA-turning-over-rockets-to-Hamas-368578

    Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman decreed in a meeting with UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on Wednesday that not only were rockets found in UNRWA schools in Gaza, but also that UNRWA then turned them over to Hamas, rather than to Israel.

    UNRWA admitted itself on two different occasions since the beginning of Operation Protective Edge began 16 days ago that they discovered rockets in their facilities.

    Liberman said Israel was very “troubled” by these developments. “UNRWA schools were established to educate children in Gaza, but instead they are providing a hiding place for rockets meant to kill children in Israel,” he said.

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  131. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    Europe will rue the day it opened its borders to the uncivilised,anti western hordes of third world Muslim immigrants (in fact many already do but it is almost a crime to say it)

    France, the multicultural dividend.

    I can’t help feel that if the attackers were white they’r be described as far right extremists. (Irrespective of their political leanings)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2703409/Maccabi-Haifas-friendly-Lille-stopped-early-pro-Palestinian-protesters-storm-pitch-attack-players.html

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  132. David Garrett (7,701 comments) says:

    Bloody amazing what Judith knows, innit? Everything from forensic psychology to aviation security…remarkable…

    MT: I honesty don’t know…Judith might be able to tell you…

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  133. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ David Garrett (6,316 comments) says:
    July 24th, 2014 at 3:52 pm

    God you are a fuckwit sometimes. I recently had to catch a short flight to Nelson from Wellington. They didn’t scan the bags. I was talking to one of the staff because the flight was delayed, so asked them how come the bags weren’t scanned. That was the answer she gave. I don’t suppose you ever have such conversations – it would require pulling your head out of your own arse to do so!

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  134. Longknives (4,962 comments) says:

    David- She’s not too flash on her History..
    Remember the “Queen Elizabeth One bathed and drank the blood of innocents” thread??

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  135. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ MT_Tinman (2,985 comments) says:
    July 24th, 2014 at 3:30 pm

    DG has suggested I answer you. I don’t know the correct answer, but I would saying paying the wages of at least 60% of our current politicians with tax payers money should be criminal. :P

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  136. Elaycee (4,425 comments) says:

    @Longknives: She also claimed all pokies contained subliminal messages! 8O

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  137. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Longknives (4,403 comments) says:
    July 24th, 2014 at 3:55 pm

    And I acknowledged it wasn’t QE I but it was a Queen Elizabeth. Which was confirmed.

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  138. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Elaycee (4,289 comments) says:
    July 24th, 2014 at 3:57 pm

    And you have yet to prove they don’t! :P

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  139. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Longknives

    Actually, you can apologise now – I never mentioned ‘bathed’ – not so smart yourself aye?

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  140. Longknives (4,962 comments) says:

    Elizabeth Tudor of England and Elizabeth Bathory of Hungary…How is that an easy mistake to make??
    As for sublimal messages- I own every Judas Priest album and I am yet to blow my face off with a shotgun…

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  141. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    Ugly truth – thank you for your answer. However I have now read your post 3 times and what I understand is that – you are not going to answer the question.

    My answer wouldn’t mean much unless you knew that it was true.

    After that your explanation is a little deep and confusing I am afraid. However I wonder whether your answer really deep down is “no”?

    Is the behaviour of the state of Israel best described as a crime, a contract, or something else? Juries have to answer questions like this all the time.

    The reason I asked this is that some people would unequivocally say that no, Israel does not have a right to exist. Hamas would say that Israel does not have a right to exist. And seeing they are in charge of Gaza at present it would appear that Israel faces an intractable foe who wants to destroy it.

    If Hamas is in charge then the situation is pretty grim. I know that things are sometime not what they appear to be.

    Whether Israel is tolerant or nice is not actually the issue for Hamas. They are dedicated to the destruction of the State of Israel.It’s in their charter and that’s why they are firing rockets into Israel, some 1200 at last count, and kidnapped and murdered 3 Israeli teenagers.

    Hamas is not going to destroy the state with rockets, the state is intangible. Also, I very much doubt Hamas was responsible for the fate of the 3 teenagers, but we would have to know who is directing to actions of Hamas to be sure. There’s evidence that Netanyahu had foreknowledge of the events due to his cancellation of a trip to Australia.

    Given that Israel does not occupy any square inch of Gaza then the people of Israel are perfectly within their rights to defend themselves.

    Yes, the exercise appears to be an attempt to gain territory for the state. It’s part of the Oded Yinon plan.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

    Why well educated Westerners would ever want to support Hamas is completely beyond me?

    I think it is because they assume that the existence of the state is a necessary part of life, and because Hamas represents the state for the Palestinians.

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  142. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Longknives (4,404 comments) says:
    July 24th, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    I’m sorry, but I can’t make the connection between Judas Priest albums, and pokie machines, but I’ll take your word for it, that there must be some connection, because why else would you mention it?

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  143. David Garrett (7,701 comments) says:

    I suspect if I referred to the Sensitive Petal as “a fuckwit” she would be off to the headmaster….Sticks and stones Judy, sticks and stones..

    How is that PhD in Sociology coming on?

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  144. Longknives (4,962 comments) says:

    Judith- It was a subtle pisstake in reference to ‘Sublimal Messages’..Oh never mind.

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  145. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ David Garrett (6,318 comments) says:
    July 24th, 2014 at 4:06 pm

    Why would I complain about you to anyone on here – if I was to complain sunshine, it would be to someone with the authority to actually do something meaningful and appropriate. But I suspect there will never be a need for that, because you are certainly to be the master of your own demise on day.

    As for PhD in sociology. I never went further in my first Bachelors degree in sociology so no, you’re wrong – as usual.

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  146. Elaycee (4,425 comments) says:

    @’Judith’ / Ginny:

    If you can prove pokies in NZ Clubs / Pubs or NZ Casino contain subliminal messages, I’ll post a full blown apology here; donate $1000 to Starship Hospital and never come back to KB again. OTOH, if you can’t prove it, (it would require something from the DIA) you can do the same. Yes / No?

    You’re so full of shit you have to put a toothbrush up your arse to clean your teeth.

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  147. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    Thank you for confirming that, in your view, the state of Israel does have a right to exist.

    In what way do you think that my answer supports the position that it does have a right to exist?

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  148. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Elaycee (4,290 comments) says:
    July 24th, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    There are many forms of subliminal messaging – just a very simple one, because I know anything too complicated would be above you, considering you can’t cope with a simple name change. The use of the colours red and blue are deemed to provide a subliminal message to the user of the machines, one is used in preference because it reduces restraint. Another easy one for you is the use of the word ‘winner’. The machines frequently pass messages such as “Congratulations – you’re a winner” – despite the fact that the gambler put $20 into the machine and only had $5 returned.

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  149. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    Translation: My answer is that the filthy Jews—-er—”Zionists” I mean (whew, that was close, nearly let the cat out of the bag) have no right to even exist, let alone have their own state. But I’m too much of a gutless coward to say this outright, so I’m going to try to baffle you with bullshit, and argue about the meaning of words instead.”

    You’d better be ready for a world of pain, ShawnLH. Lose yourself.

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  150. Elaycee (4,425 comments) says:

    @Judith: You’re in full reverse – and not for the first time. Recommend you stick to something you know something about – whatever that may be….

    For the record: If a machine posts a message “Congratulations, you’re a winner” it is hardly subliminal…

    Are you aware that you can’t even put a sticker on a gaming machine in NZ unless it has been approved by the DIA? Are you aware that every game is tested by the DIA before it is allowed to be sold / installed? Are you aware there is a law against subliminal messaging?

    Nah… thought not. But it doesn’t stop you frothing off…

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  151. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Elaycee (4,291 comments) says:
    July 24th, 2014 at 4:22 pm

    Okay, so don’t accept that, but the lights are sweetie – which makes you WRONG! Very WRONG – INCREDIBLY WRONG !!! :P :P :P

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  152. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Elaycee (4,291 comments) says:
    July 24th, 2014 at 4:22 pm

    And yes I did know that but it doesn’t mean they do not have subliminal messages still. The example I gave you is a well known use of subliminal messaging that is still used on the machines – you cannot deny it because all you have to do is view any one of the many pokie machines to see it in use. The use of colours in such a manner is a recognised form of subliminal messaging that is used in a variety of situations all over the globe. :P

    You should know all about frothing off, you’re doing it on this particular subject – did I mention you are wrong? WRONG!!

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  153. Elaycee (4,425 comments) says:

    Bwahahahaaaaaaaaaa…. Stop it! Are the lights telling a story in morse code?

    Too much. :lol:

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  154. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    2.7 Lighting
    Lighting is a micro-design element of gambling venue design that has not been thoroughly studied in isolation. However, Stark, Saunders and Wookey (1982) examined the effects of blue and red lighting on gambling frequency and risk taking, with red light shown to increase both measures compared to blue lighting. Finlay et al. (2007a) also found that flashing lighting increases irresponsible gambling intentions. This finding was further supported by the work of Finlay (2010) that suggests flashing lights produce a higher information load which is then a deterrent to responsible gambling.

    http://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/pages/influence-gambling-venue-characteristics.doc

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  155. Elaycee (4,425 comments) says:

    And yes I did know that…

    Of course…. :D You should be on Mastermind! :D

    Oh, shit…. I give up. My sides are hurting.

    But on behalf of the entire office, thanks for the laugh.

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  156. Longknives (4,962 comments) says:

    Maybe Robin Bain was playing Pokies whilst listening to Judas Priest that fateful morning?

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  157. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Elaycee (4,293 comments) says:
    July 24th, 2014 at 4:41 pm

    I think I proved that I did know Elaycee, and clearly you didn’t, by producing the link to the document from which I had learned it.

    That document, an official Ministry of Health document, provides the evidence that I am right regarding the lights. Clearly you can’t cope with that, I suggest if your office is laughing, it is you they are laughing at!.

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  158. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Longknives (4,408 comments) says:
    July 24th, 2014 at 4:43 pm

    I see you’re still obsessed with the Bain’s Longknives – do you think you’ll ever get over it, or are you doomed to be posting about them for here and ever after?

    You will note that Elaycee was wrong – there is evidence regarding the lights – I’m waiting for ‘her’ apology, but I suspect it will be a cold day in hell…

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  159. David Garrett (7,701 comments) says:

    Elaycee: I don’t think Mastermind would be challenging enough for our Judy…sociology; criminology; forensic and general psychology; political science; dealing with victims; dealing with killers….how did she fit it all in in 56 short years?

    Subliminal messages on pokies…ah..righto!

    Just a small point Judy (will make the dissertation/thesis read better)

    No apostrophe when you are talking about “the Bains”…there is though if you refer to, for example, “David Bain’s glasses”….Just trying to help…

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  160. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ David Garrett (6,319 comments) says:
    July 24th, 2014 at 4:47 pm

    Perhaps, being such an important person, you might like to contact the Ministry of Health and tell them their information is wrong then. Yep, all those years, and not one criminal conviction to my name, how about you? ;-)

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  161. ShawnLH (6,693 comments) says:

    “Shawn, Israel hasn’t faced any existential threat since at least the mid-1970s. It is a regional superpower and is effectively invulnerable to any significant attacks.”

    That is possibly true, though I think your being casually dismissive of the potential threat, but more importantly you managed to completely miss my point.

    Armchair critics, especially non-Jews who’s parents or grandparents did not die in the Holocaust, and most especially those living on a nice, safe, isolated island near the bottom of the world, can far too easily think they know how Israelis should feel and respond to terrorist threats, and how they should deal with them. But, you’re not Jewish, and thus cannot relate to how they feel about threats (I suspect the parents of the dead Israeli teens would like to have words with you) and you have no real experience of terrorism, so it’s all just abstract, ideological posturing, with very little substance.

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  162. ShawnLH (6,693 comments) says:

    Gotta love this from Ugly,

    “My answer wouldn’t mean much unless you knew that it was true.”

    In other words he won’t answer s simple question with a straight answer unless you agree with his interpretation of reality first!

    Seriously, utterly, totally, pointless trying to engage with this level of narcissism and arrogance.

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  163. David Garrett (7,701 comments) says:

    Oh, Judy…you do wound me so when you bring up my dreadful record….

    Who said I was important? Not me baby…

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  164. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ David Garrett (6,320 comments) says:
    July 24th, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    I doubt that David, I doubt you give it any thought, I do it simply because it gives me a giggle – certainly not for your benefit. I find your history hilarious.

    I don’t have to worry about accuracy in my typing David, as you know, or should know, we are given the services of editors etc.

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  165. mikenmild (12,402 comments) says:

    Shawn
    That same argument can easily be applied to you. How can you have any idea what is appropriate in the circumstances? After all, you’re not stuck in Gaza under an artillery barrage.

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  166. Elaycee (4,425 comments) says:

    That document, an official Ministry of Health document

    Wrong again, ‘Judith’ / Ginny – it’s a document prepared by Opus Consulting in Lower Hutt and was a joint effort with…. the Problem Gambling Foundation. An ‘official’ document will bear the MOH letterhead.

    I note you forgot to mention: Interviews were conducted with eight problem gamblers sampled from problem gambling support groups (PGFNZ) in the Auckland region.

    Vested interests etc? No surprises, then…

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  167. Pete George (23,830 comments) says:

    A picture with quite an impact, Holocaust Wedding Rings: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtR-eTLCAAAe6cC.jpg

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  168. ShawnLH (6,693 comments) says:

    “You’d better be ready for a world of pain, ShawnLH. Lose yourself.”

    Is that a threat Ugly? Naughty naughty. :)

    Seriously though, don’t make threats you can’t and won’t act on, and would regret if you did, it makes you look even nuttier than you already do.

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  169. Elaycee (4,425 comments) says:

    @David Garrett: I heard a filthy rumour that ‘Judith’ / Ginny’s hubby put an ad on Trade Me wanting to sell the entire suite of Encyclopedia Britannica. They were never used in their household.

    Apparently, ‘Judith’ / Ginny said she knew everything! :lol:

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  170. David Garrett (7,701 comments) says:

    Well Judy, some of us take some pride in not needing the assistance of editor’s for basic punctuation mark’s….

    But then sociology is such a bullshit discipline that I imagine student’s of it don’t care about such prosaic matter’s…

    Elaycee: Doesn’t surprise me much…she knows for example that a double killer she has never met is thoroughly rehabilitated, and a much better man than me…who she also has never met…unless she was in disguise at the time….

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  171. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Elaycee (4,294 comments) says:
    July 24th, 2014 at 4:59 pm

    The MOH paid for the report and used it in the establishment of their action plan.

    I have never worked for the problem Gambling Foundation or volunteered for them. I did see them in action when I was a policy analyst for National – but you’d be pushing it up hill to try and establish that I had a vested interest sunshine.

    YOU LOST – you were wrong – that document provides plenty of references in which is it established exactly what I said regarding lightening. You can fish around, and come up with any bitchy little ‘vested interest’ comments you like, but you can’t deny the fact YOU WERE WRONG !! :P :P :P

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  172. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ David Garrett (6,321 comments) says:
    July 24th, 2014 at 5:08 pm

    Which is why I didn’t pursue a post-grad qualification in Sociology David, and changed to a different discipline, in which I did bother with post-grad.

    I glad you don’t need to use editing – we’ll put in on your head stone – next to your rap sheet :P :P :P

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  173. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Elaycee (4,295 comments) says:
    July 24th, 2014 at 5:07 pm

    Aren’t you a sore loser – have you made that donation yet Elaycee – or aren’t you honest?

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  174. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    Is that a threat Ugly?

    No, it’s advice. You’re way past the point where a threat would mean anything.

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  175. dad4justice (6,594 comments) says:

    How did that thieving National MP Claudette Hauiti get to Australia and back on ONLY $200 of taxpayers money.

    No wonder politicians are viewed in the same category as dirty pedophiles!

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  176. ShawnLH (6,693 comments) says:

    “No, it’s advice.”

    Oh. Wanna know what you can do with your advice? :)

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  177. ShawnLH (6,693 comments) says:

    This is one of the more interesting news headlines I have ever seen.

    “Kid Rock Summoned to Produce Glass Dildo in Insane Clown Posse Lawsuit”

    Yup. :)

    If you really need to know more…..

    http://www.spin.com/articles/kid-rock-insane-clown-posse-dildo-sexual-harassment-lawsuit/

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  178. Manolo (14,173 comments) says:

    I declare it to all an sundry: I am sick of Judith’s countless inane comments! :D

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  179. Longknives (4,962 comments) says:

    Ha! Judith chops and changes her story more than David Bain!
    (Yes I realise that I have mentioned his name twice now- I just hope he’s not like the Candyman and coming after me with his newspapers and fluoro jersey if I summon him once more..)

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  180. David Garrett (7,701 comments) says:

    Manolo: I think we pretty much have to suck it up…(although with Judy that’s not a pleasant thought…)

    The interesting thing for me – or one of them at least – is the complete absence of any self insight…one of the old characteristics of a looney so they say…

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  181. Elaycee (4,425 comments) says:

    Sheesh, Ginny (‘Judith’) – why don’t you quit whilst you’re behind? You’d try to pick a fight with your own shadow. 8O

    Anyway, I’m shortly off to dinner at Sky Tower. I’ll make sure to pop into the Casino while I’m there and say hello to your friends… both of them! :lol:

    PS: And I won’t be betting on red! :P

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  182. David Garrett (7,701 comments) says:

    Elaycee: Watch out for those red lights and subliminal messages…

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  183. Elaycee (4,425 comments) says:

    Thanks for the tip, DG. Do you think shades and a tinfoil hat will do it?

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  184. David Garrett (7,701 comments) says:

    Anyway…new topic…

    Has anyone wondered why and how the yanks get themselves in such a mess when executing prisoners by lethal injection? Apparently it took two HOURS to kill one with an undisclosed “lethal cocktail” in Arizona today…

    You take your old dog to the vet and the job is done in five minutes by a massive overdose of barbiturates…Can any appropriately qualified person confirm that exactly the same should be the case with a human…ie. a massive overdose of IV barbiturates will kill quickly and humanely?

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  185. cricko (452 comments) says:

    Seems like Obama, Kerry etc. really prefer Hamas to Israel if the FAA decision to cancel American
    flights into Ben Gurion airport is politically influenced.

    I note that British Airways among others have called bullshit to that and continue to fly.

    Now we hear that Iraq have been begging Obama to use drones to wipe out ISIS for a year now
    but he ignored their pleas.
    He could have wiped them out while they were stageing in the desert before they began their take over of Iraq cities but would not.

    One for the conspiracy theorists. Is Obama actually a closet muslim ?

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  186. Colville (2,318 comments) says:

    Funny.

    I read a comment on Stuff relating to Big Jezza skipping thru airport security.

    “police issued a CCTV picture in an attempt to identify this unknown person who breached airport security…..”

    3 million people called the 0800 number in 5 minutes.

    :-)

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  187. Colville (2,318 comments) says:

    ShawnLH @ 5.22.

    Is the dildo still in the Ho?

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  188. nasska (12,107 comments) says:

    ….” a massive overdose of IV barbiturates will kill quickly and humanely?”……

    A 22 cal behind & between the ears is quicker & cheaper.

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  189. ShawnLH (6,693 comments) says:

    DG,

    a firing squad is easier and far more humane, and some states allow that option.

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  190. Colville (2,318 comments) says:

    DG @ 5.56

    Why dont they give the crims a fifth of cheap bourbon and a handful of oxycontin ?

    All the crims would off themselves.

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  191. ShawnLH (6,693 comments) says:

    “Is Obama actually a closet muslim ?”

    No, he just wallows in weakness and indecision.

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  192. ShawnLH (6,693 comments) says:

    “Is the dildo still in the Ho?”

    I hope not! :)

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  193. dad4justice (6,594 comments) says:

    Brownlee breaches aviation security rules and Claudette Hauiti takes a free ride on the taxpayer without consequences. How could any sane person show any kiwi politician respect. They are filth who think they’re above the law. Big government small people. Demand better from these foolish parasites.

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  194. cricko (452 comments) says:

    Longknives
    You wouldn’t want this Candyman comming after you.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Corll

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  195. David Garrett (7,701 comments) says:

    Yes, boys we all know that a little packet of lead is quicker and cheaper…but that wasn’t my question..

    Ever since I researched my book 15 years ago it has puzzled me that the yanks have to use this “cocktail” of three different drugs (what the three drugs are apparently depends on the state) when the big dose of barbiturates will do a better and more certain job…as far as I know…but then I don’t know as much about everything as Judith, so I thought I would ask someone who is more knowledgeable to confirm that is correct…

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  196. cricko (452 comments) says:

    When does Claudette Hauiti get to give her validectory speech ?

    That would be a boomer.

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  197. nasska (12,107 comments) says:

    I was of course referring to sheep dogs that didn’t live up to promise DG They can end up costing thousands to buy & rear.

    If they don’t make the cut you don’t exactly feel like paying a vet to do the job. :)

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  198. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    DG

    There are a few people that I would not lose any sleep over should they “suffer” for a couple of hours while they were put to death.

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  199. ShawnLH (6,693 comments) says:

    Sorry David, I have zero knowledge concerning that issue. I agree that it seems strange.

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  200. cricko (452 comments) says:

    David Garrett
    I think it has something to do with getting around US law against cruel and unusual punishment.

    It is hard to figure though.

    I see one state (maybe Utah) is giving up all that bullshit and going back to the old tried and
    true method, the firing squad.

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  201. David Garrett (7,701 comments) says:

    cricko: yes, that’s quite right, the “cruel and unusual” prohibition is what it is all about…but instead of avoiding that they seem to be very good at making a complete hash of something any competent vet does every day…

    Of course firing squads are only as good as their members…there is some pretty awful footage of WW II executions where the officer had to administer the coup de grace to the back of the head…

    The Brits on the other hand managed to cleanly kill almost 1000 people in the 20th century in less time it took the clock to strike the hour…for each one that is, not all 1000!!

    Of course British style long-drop hanging was an entirely different business than the “one drop for all” that the yanks practised…executions after Nuremberg were often disasters apparently…

    But where’s Dr Judy? surely she knows something about this??

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  202. ShawnLH (6,693 comments) says:

    “I see one state (maybe Utah) is giving up all that bullshit and going back to the old tried and
    true method, the firing squad.”

    I think you’re right on it being Utah. I don’t understand why they stopped using them in the first place. It sounds cruel to advocate, but if the death penalty is going to be used, then a firing squad really is far more humane. It’s all over in a split second.

    The electric chair otoh always struck me as violating the constitution’s rule against cruel and unusual punishment. A hideous way to do the job.

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  203. David Garrett (7,701 comments) says:

    Shawn: There was no more humane method of doing it that British style hanging…Rent the movie “Pierrepoint” and see for yourself…His record was 7.5 second from the time he entered the condemned cell – next to the gallows – to the time the prisoner was dead on the rope…he never took longer than 30 seconds…

    From cell to death a firing squad might be 15 minutes rather than seconds…

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  204. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    Brownlee breaches aviation security rules,i understand the fat idiot slob had 40 hamas inside his suit, brownlee the lardball who thinks hes bigger than NZ LAW, hes big thats a fact

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  205. Lucia Maria (2,654 comments) says:

    David,

    This article may help you: A Brief History of Botched Executions in America

    … Until quite recently, the anesthetic of executioners’ choice was usually sodium thiopental. But then its only United States manufacturer quit making that drug under pressure from anti-death-penalty activists. And the European Union has had strict export controls on drugs that could be used in executions since 2011; they can’t be sold to U.S. prisons.

    Faced with this problem, as Liliana Segura has reported in The Nation and The Washington Post, states have been scrambling to find another solution. What this has meant on the ground is that they are trying out other cocktails, and seeking out drug suppliers of more questionable origins.

    In other words, in these executions these days, states are actively experimenting with the technology of death. The methods of killing people are unusual in the basic definitional sense: There is no established protocol. If our Founders, as conservative jurisprudence assures us, took the rightfulness of capital punishment for granted, they expected it to happen by gallows and the firing squad. They weren’t making up the method of death on the fly.

    Luckily it was still in my history of pages I’d read.

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  206. dad4justice (6,594 comments) says:

    The word is lurcher that fat Gerry was late for a free piss up at the Marist Rugby Club so he demanded security at the international airport bend the rules because he was very thirsty. John Boy Wee said don’t resign Gerry we need your weight behind our pathetic socialist SCRUM.

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  207. RF (1,490 comments) says:

    Cunliffe has lost it. After promising to sick to the important issues I have just seen him on TV One whinging about Mike Hosking being involved in the forth coming debates and JK appearing on a cover with ABs. Even the TV announcer gave this a serve. Surprise.. Surprise even wee Wussel from the Greens thought the silent T was precious.

    Didums to Cunliffe the girls blouse. So serious with a lowered voice, looking down so his hidden chin is lost in in neck fat.

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  208. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    Pop down to Wainui in your big boots Lucia and I’ll show you how you can be utterly fucked to death and yet still live again!

    Almost like your version of religion! :)

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  209. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    This would be a great post about your masters David F the god given right your masters think they have over us who pay their wages, yer, yer NAH,RIP and RORT

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  210. Reid (16,719 comments) says:

    …Gerry was late for a free piss up at the Marist Rugby Club…

    Whatever the reason you’d have to be a class-A moron to do it when you’re a (a) Minister and (b) Minister of Aviation Security.

    But then, it’s Gerry, isn’t it.

    What do we expect?

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  211. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    If I was the poor wee bastard in charge of that two-way door and saw Gerry running towards it at full speed I’d have let him through as well Reid! :

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  212. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    I love this one
    OUT OF THE WAY im jerry brownlee AND I KNOW JOHN KEY,i think im important TUI

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  213. nasska (12,107 comments) says:

    JB…..Coward! :)

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  214. Longknives (4,962 comments) says:

    Pierrepoint hanged over 200 Nazis at the end of the War…Very,very efficient at his job.
    But then- so was ‘Ol’ Sparky’…..

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  215. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    The only thing I can think of that would be more dangerous nasska would be getting between Gerry and a full plate! :)

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  216. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    http://www.alternet.org/media/witch-hunt-fired-msnbc-contributor-speaks-out-networks-witch-hunt-and-suppression-israel

    MSNBC contributor Rula Jebreal’s on-air protest of the network’s slanted coverage of Israel’s ongoing assault on the Gaza Strip has brought media suppression of the Israel-Palestine debate into sharp focus. Punished for her act of dissent with the cancellation of all future appearances and the termination of her contract, Jebreal spoke to me about what prompted her to speak out and why MSNBC was presenting such a distorted view of the crisis.

    “I couldn’t stay silent after seeing the amount of airtime given to Israeli politicians versus Palestinians,” Jebreal told me. “They say we are balanced but their idea of balance is 90 percent Israeli guests and 10 percent Palestinians. This kind of media is what leads to the failing policies that we see in Gaza.”

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  217. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    Then again before Albert did his stuff the fiendishly efficient Germans got through around 20 million or so Longknives!

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  218. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Zyklon B and do the fuckers in bulk.
    d block” have a nice wee shower boys”

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  219. nasska (12,107 comments) says:

    While in the playground with his friend, Little Johnny noticed that Jimmy was wearing a brand new, shiny watch. “Did you get that for your birthday?” asked Little Johnny. “Nope.” replied Jimmy. “Well, did you get it for Christmas then?”. Again Jimmy says “Nope.” “You didn’t steal it, did you?” asks Little Johnny. “No,” said Jimmy. “I went into Mum and Dad’s bedroom the other night when they were ‘doing the nasty’. Dad gave me his watch to get rid of me.
    Little Johnny was extremely impressed with this idea, and extremely jealous of Jimmy’s new watch. He vowed to get one for himself. That night, he waited outside his parents’ bedroom until he heard the unmistakable noises of
    lovemaking. Just then, he swung the door wide open and boldly strode into the bedroom. His father, caught in mid stroke, turned and said angrily. “What do you want now?” “I wanna watch,” Johnny replied.
    Without missing a stroke, his father said, “Fine. Stand in the corner and watch, but keep quiet.”

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  220. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    Blue stains on the shower walls would trigger a riot Griff! :)

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  221. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    How did you know how I learned to husband my flock nasska????

    Fer fuksake… is nothing sacred! :)

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  222. Scott (1,807 comments) says:

    UT-I would say the exact opposite-that coverage of the conflict is slanted towards the Palestinians-the dead are named, their grieving relatives are shown and no context is given. For example the recent bombing of the Palestinian hospital did not reveal the following –

    “The IDF has posted the illuminating video below (it’s posted here), explaining that “Hamas has turned Wafa Hospital into a command center and a rocket-launching site. Hamas has fired at Israel and at IDF forces from the hospital. As a result, the IDF repeatedly conveyed warnings to the hospital staff and urged civilians to leave the area. Hamas continued firing from the hospital. In response, the IDF targeted specific sites and terrorists within the hospital grounds. Secondary explosions can be seen, confirming IDF intelligence about the site.”
    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/07/incident-at-wafa-hospital.php

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  223. nasska (12,107 comments) says:

    This happen much in Wainuiomata JB? :)

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  224. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    QI’s on see y’all later! :)

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  225. cricko (452 comments) says:

    Yep. And the master sargent, US military(forget his name offhand) in charge of the executions of nazis after
    the war crimes trials did a good job.

    Apparently some of the nazis lost part of their nose as they were too close as they went thru the trapdoor, too bad,
    boo hoo.

    I read recently that in New Zealand the parole board is going through the motions to release some piece of shit that
    murdered a young girl when he was a schoolboy. (He has successfully completed some courses in jail)

    Take this to the bank…however old you are when you stab a girl 34 times to kill her you have so much rage
    inside you that you can never be safely released back into society.

    I agree with the girls mum. This shithead will kill again. Watch this space.

    There are times when the death penalty is a good thing.

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  226. Longknives (4,962 comments) says:

    Cricko- I think the guy you are talking about has already been released once before, but was recalled because they found kiddie porn on his computer.
    Ticking fucking time bomb..

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  227. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    Scott,

    I agree that context is important. In context, the history of the Zionist state is marked with events of violence and betrayal, from the the betrayal of Jews who did not fit into their plan for Palestine to the Lavon Affair and the attack on the USS Liberty.

    Betrayal of Judaism itself is another theme:

    “This charismatic individual, the Rebbe of Satmar, Grand Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum, did not mince any words. Straight to the point he called Zionism “the work of Satan”, “a sacrilege” and “a blasphemy”. He forbade any participation with anything even remotely associated with Zionism and said that Zionism was bound to call the wrath of G-d upon His people.”
    http://www.truetorahjews.org/lieberman

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  228. dad4justice (6,594 comments) says:

    My word lurcher, talking about big Gerry in a bad light has really touched a raw nerve :-)

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  229. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    D4J

    I thought Big Gerry was your mate? Not long ago on this very blog you were singing his praises after he visited you on site at a demo job.

    Whatever happened?

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  230. cricko (452 comments) says:

    Why would otherwise seemingly intelligent corresponents engage with the likes of ‘UglyTruth’ ?
    Why would you ?
    Are you so easily wound up by such a prat ?

    Click on his moniker and see what you are giving creditability to.

    This type is best ignored.

    Yesterday I was musing with Reid and Yoza, this fuckwit tried to inject himself into the discussion,
    he/she was invited to fuck off.

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  231. freemark (664 comments) says:

    Judith (7,486 comments) says:
    July 24th, 2014 at 3:38 pm
    freemark (430 comments) says:
    July 24th, 2014 at 2:12 pm

    “Certain domestic flights within NZ have no carry on bag scanning, even though the machinery is sitting there.

    That is because certain domestic flights involve aircraft that do not have the ability to leave the country and are therefore deemed not to be a risk of terrorism. Of course that can be disputed, but I believe that is why only the bigger flights are scanned.”

    Interesting theory, but I don’t buy it. The only (afaik) instance of any kind of hijacking in recent NZ Aviation history was the unhinged Somali woman on a small domestic flight with a knife. I may be wrong, but I don’t believe that a 737 or A320 fuelled for Akl-Wgtn trips would have the range to get anywhere offshore.
    Back to the subject however.. apparently “the rules” state that the aircraft and the airport should have been cleared & secured. The pilot knew about the “breach” but chose to fly, on board was the head of CAA(?) as well. Thank god some common sense was shown by all concerned – FFS, what is the risk factor in a Minister being a danger to the Aircraft.
    Generally I say “rules are for fools”
    It’s why the Left love them.

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  232. nasska (12,107 comments) says:

    I stopped the first bloke that I saw in Otara this morning.

    “I’m a Colgate representative,” I said, “Do you mind if I ask you a quick question?”

    “Go on.” he replied, staring at my clipboard.

    I said, “How often do you brush your tooth?”

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  233. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    Here he is cricko. Top man. We need a few of him here! :)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Woods

    Not as an electrician though! :)

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  234. Southern Raider (1,777 comments) says:

    Go to love the UN. The NGO that runs some of the schools in Gaza found 20 rockets stored by Hamas in one of the school bundling.

    What did they do? Of course they gave them to the local Police force that operates under Hamas.

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  235. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    If you’d told that joke in Te Reo nasska I’m certain you would have got more than my one tick! :)

    Then again if you had you wouldn’t have got even my one tick! :)

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  236. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    Yesterday I was musing with Reid and Yoza, this fuckwit tried to inject himself into the discussion,
    he/she was invited to fuck off.

    Context is everything.

    “Islam is unique in that its basic premise is the destruction of all alternatives.” ~ Cricko

    My 9:13 in response:

    Wrong.

    Except those who join a group, between you and whom there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with their breasts restraining from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. Had Allah willed, indeed He would have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So if they withdraw from you, and fight not against you, and offer you peace, then Allah has opened no way for you against them.

    Quran 4:90

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  237. Southern Raider (1,777 comments) says:

    Europe is falling to pieces and not a single word in NZ media
    – Jewish businesses torched in Paris and Jewish suburbs terrorised by thugs.
    – Synagogues attacked
    – Huge rallies in Germany with chants like Gas the Jews
    – Israeli football club team attacked in the middle of a game in Austria

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  238. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    If the ladies I chat to here approached me with their breasts unrestrained I’d look upon them kindly too UT.

    Specially Judith! :)

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  239. cricko (452 comments) says:

    nasska 8.07 LOL, brilliant.

    Onya Johnboy, true.

    But who the fuck is UglyTruth ?

    http://www.actsinjunction.info/remedy.html

    Is he/she a man of the law ?
    Is he/she a bullshit artist ?

    Obviously he/she has a huge chip on his/her shoulder.

    C’mon UglyTruth, spill it all out. What’s your real problem ?

    We can help you babe.
    Just reach out, help is at hand, even for you.
    You poor sad sack.

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  240. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    “Sir” Bob at it again….

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/10307054/Australia-has-let-down-worlds-poor-Geldof

    What is it with these Irish wankers?, if Geldof and Bono want to give away all their money then so be it, however, If I was an Aussie I would not take kindly to being told how to run my country by a man who could not even control his own daughter.

    I do hope Abbot tells ‘Sir’ Bob to fuck off back to Ireland. And, if Abbot really wants to help Geldof he could tell him that he might be better advised trying to convince the Catholic church to change their views on condoms and all contraception if he wants to cure world hunger.

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  241. nasska (12,107 comments) says:

    You could take her water-skiing JB. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5kad62f9yvvxh3h/02k.jpg

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  242. Fletch (6,529 comments) says:

    Punished for her act of dissent with the cancellation of all future appearances and the termination of her contract, Jebreal spoke to me about what prompted her to speak out and why MSNBC was presenting such a distorted view of the crisis.

    Don’t worry Ugly; she is more than balanced by hostile MSNBC presenters like Joy Reid.

    http://www.truthrevolt.org/israel-revolt/msnbcs-joy-reid-refuses-take-answer-answer

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  243. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    She’d have to own the boat and pay for the gas as well nasska! :)

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  244. EAD (1,452 comments) says:

    @ Southern Raider 8.19pm

    There is very little mention of that over here because then people might suddenly wake up and realise National & Labour are working very quickly to bring the same multi-cultural madness to our shores. When we eventually descend into chaos like Europe, the State can them become even more interfering in our lives and declare all sorts of liberty restricting laws. Do you think all these calls to increase our population are meant to make us more prosperous or to tear apart the shared heritage and fabric of our society?

    “If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever.” – George Orwell, 1984

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  245. stigie (1,453 comments) says:

    With tits like that who wouldnt !~

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  246. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    southern raider @ 819

    ……it’s the diversity dividend the political elites have been promising.

    Today it’s the Jews of Europe and if the Mo’s get stronger (which they will) it will be the Christians and then it will be the secularist atheists who have made the whole thing possible.

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  247. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    She’d have to talk really dirty to me like nasska’s sheep video as well! :)

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  248. Southern Raider (1,777 comments) says:

    Yep Fletch the left just make it up as they go.

    Same goes for UN supporting seven resolutions against Israel in the last couple of weeks dispute only ruling 4 against Syria in the last two years (several hundred thousand dead) and none against ISIS even though they kills Christians by the hundreds.

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  249. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    C’mon UglyTruth, spill it all out. What’s your real problem ?

    Probably my bad habit of letting critics get under my skin.

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  250. Southern Raider (1,777 comments) says:

    Kowtow

    The issue in Europe is the local Police will be shitting themselves about the backlash from the large Muslim populations if they try to stop them rampaging through the Jewish suburbs

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  251. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    Probably my bad habit of letting critics get under my skin tinfoil.

    There ya go ugly. I gotcha six!

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  252. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    Totally ignore the bloody critics and just get on down and do your own thing UT. Worked for me for years! :)

    Oh..use a smiley even if totally inappropriate..nothing pisses them off more! :)

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  253. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    ps: Try Goat shagging if you need an angle UT! :)

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  254. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    Don’t worry Ugly; she is more than balanced by hostile MSNBC presenters like Joy Reid.

    Ryan’s argument could be applied here: she’s so blatantly biased that her reporting can be used by the Zionists as an excuse for the bad press that they are getting.

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  255. nasska (12,107 comments) says:

    Just like sheep but you don’t have to bend your knees. :)

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  256. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    You do if your only 4′ 2″ nasska! :)

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  257. stigie (1,453 comments) says:

    Are gumboots useful to Nasska ?

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  258. nasska (12,107 comments) says:

    Highly over-rated I reckon stigie…..steel caps & a firm grip’s the way to go. :)

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  259. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    The way the weathers been I’m considering crampons on the gummies so I can get some proper thrust again! :)

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  260. stigie (1,453 comments) says:

    Was it JB saying you could stick their back legs in your gumboots to stop them bolting off Nasska ?

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  261. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    Not me old chap. Would bugger my toenail polish! :)

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  262. stigie (1,453 comments) says:

    Careful JB, Judith will be wondering !!~

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  263. Fletch (6,529 comments) says:

    The group U.N Watch bravely standing up for Israel at a U.N session, while most other Arab countries call for Israel to have charges of war crimes and “genocide” (really?) levelled against them.

    It’s ridiculous for these Arab countries to refer to what Israel is doing as “genocide”. What rubbish. Israel could completely flatten Gaza if it wanted to, but it doesn’t. 500-or-so casualties is as nothing compared to other wars. And why would Israel call and warn people if they wanted “genocide”? It’s all overblown rhetoric by countries who hate the Jews and want to use the U.N as a big stick.

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  264. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    It’s bright red just like her favourite car! :)

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  265. nasska (12,107 comments) says:

    JB’s a bit of a romantic stigie….with him it’s facing the ewe that’s backed up on its hind legs against the gate.

    Only way he can stick his tongue down its throat at the same time. :)

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  266. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    A man feels like the woman doesn’t really desire him if she won’t suck his tongue while she’s swallowing his other end nasska! :)

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  267. nasska (12,107 comments) says:

    Anyway there’s a few blokes who want to use the thread to sort out the ME problem for once & for all.

    Sleep tight. :)

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  268. stigie (1,453 comments) says:

    You bastards are getting downticks and im not….but i will shortly ?
    Maybe im not as filthy as you fuckers lol.

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  269. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    If all the Arabs and all the Jews fucked each other completely that should solve it nasska! :)

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  270. David Garrett (7,701 comments) says:

    Cricko: I cant remember the Master Sargeant’s name either…In his autobiography Pierrepoint records that he was appalled by said person’s methods…it was from him that Pierrepoint learned the yanks never bothered with personalised drops…they all dropped six feet…the (heavier) lucky ones broke their necks…the others strangled. Pierrepoint hanged a few yank servicemen convicted of civil crimes in England…he would only do the job if he was allowed to hang them “British style”…

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  271. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    Pay attention young Garrett! :)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Woods

    8:14

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  272. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    His photo reminds me of someone. I cant quite place the face! :)

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  273. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    It’s ridiculous for these Arab countries to refer to what Israel is doing as “genocide”.

    What definition of genocide should be used?

    For argument’s sake try this one: “the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group.”

    What rubbish. Israel could completely flatten Gaza if it wanted to, but it doesn’t.

    Yeah, some Zio actually suggested that they should get a peace prize for showing restraint.

    500-or-so casualties is as nothing compared to other wars.

    So how many must be killed before it’s genocide?

    And why would Israel call and warn people if they wanted “genocide”?

    Because shelling apartment blocks is a war crime, and they are concerned about their reputation?

    It’s all overblown rhetoric by countries who hate the Jews and want to use the U.N as a big stick.

    “Jew-hater” or “anti-semite” is a pretty standard response to criticism of the Zionist state.

    Using the UN as a big stick could be a valid criticism. The UN doesn’t have universal jurisdiction in matters of human rights.

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  274. David Garrett (7,701 comments) says:

    JB: yep, that’s pretty much the way I recall the master sargeants record..”at least 11 bungled executions”…

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  275. Fletch (6,529 comments) says:

    For argument’s sake try this one: “the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group.”

    Well, exactly – that’s what Israel is NOT doing. They are trying to destroy the rockets being fired into the middle of their country, and even dropping leaflets showing people where to go to the areas to be safe. Hamas tells the people to stay where they are and be casualties of propaganda.

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  276. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    That’s a lot less than what they are doing in the US these days with all that lethal injection shit DG.

    What’s wrong with a bullet in the head?

    This bloke had no trouble with that!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Blokhin

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  277. Reid (16,719 comments) says:

    Well, exactly – that’s what Israel is NOT doing.

    No of course not. Those bombs and artillery shells are simply exploding of their own volition, without anyone making them go bang whatsoever, aren’t they.

    Of course they are.

    After all, thinking otherwise is cwiticism of poor widdle Iswael, who suffers so tolerantly evewy single day under the wain of wockets that luckily, purely luckily, never ever even give an Iswaeli a scwatch. Do they. And why should a peaceful, non-aggwessive, fwiendly nation like poor widdle Iswael take that, for weeks and months and years, like they do, cos we hear about it evewy single day don’t they. Why they deserve the Nobel Peace pwize, for being wonderful. Don’t they.

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  278. Fletch (6,529 comments) says:

    Reid, if Israel wanted to commit real “genocide”, they could wipe out all of Gaza in one go – flatten it completely. It wouldn’t take very long. The bombs are aimed at destroying the weapons targetting their country. We would do the same if a neighbour was firing rockets into the middle of Wellington or Auckland.

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  279. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    Surely the Jews are showing much restraint Reid.

    They could just solve the Gaza problem once and for all by testing a couple of their nukes.

    That would give Barry a bit of a head-scratcher! :)

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  280. Southern Raider (1,777 comments) says:

    Fletch I think it is irresponsible to blame people for getting themselves killed by willing acting as human shields :)

    Reid would have a wet dream if Israel laid down their weapons and Hamas wiped them off the planet

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  281. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    If it upset a few more Arabic fellows too much they could test a few more!

    That would give Vlad a bit of a head-scratcher too! :)

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  282. Fletch (6,529 comments) says:

    After all, thinking otherwise is cwiticism of poor widdle Iswael, who suffers so tolerantly evewy single day under the wain of wockets that luckily, purely luckily, never ever even give an Iswaeli a scwatch.

    That is because of Israels defenses, not because Hamas is not trying. They would destroy every Jew if they could.

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  283. David Garrett (7,701 comments) says:

    JB; bullets in the head are so messy old boy…people like their executions bloodless…

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  284. Reid (16,719 comments) says:

    They would destroy every Jew if they could.

    Is that because the Jews have treated them generously since they stole the land they had occupied for thousands of years, or for some other reason?

    Reid would have a wet dream if Israel laid down their weapons and Hamas wiped them off the planet

    SR blunt thinkers hallucinate that if someone criticises another for their actions that therefore that person is on the side of that entities’ enemies.

    Sharpen up mate. You used to be, why not get back to that?

    Reid, if Israel wanted to commit real “genocide”, they could wipe out all of Gaza in one go

    But but but. I’ve been saying for years Iswael isn’t under real threat therefore it doesn’t have to act like it does. Yet whenever I say that people like you allege that Iswael is bound to behave as she does because she’s suwwounded by a sea of hatwed.

    Does this mean you’re coming round to patently obvious reality Fletch?

    I’m holding my breath.

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  285. Fletch (6,529 comments) says:

    One blogger asks why so few Gazans have actually been killed.

    The real question you should be asking is, with over 700 tons of bombs that Israel has dropped on Gaza, how is it that “only” 550 Arabs have been killed? Don’t get me wrong, any innocent person killed in war is a tragedy and I am not looking to kill anyone but I have heard the claims against Israel and they say Israel is committing genocide and that we are targeting innocent civilians and not terrorists. If you believe Israel is AIMING for innocent civilians then either you know you’re lying or you think the IDF has bad aim!

    Dear anti Israel activists, if Israel was trying to commit genocide, we would have already prepared Gaza to be the next World Cup Football field or solved the Tel Aviv parking problem.
    We would have flattened Gaza!

    http://israelshield.blogspot.co.nz/

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  286. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    There’s no worry if the worst comes to the worst! :)

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  287. cricko (452 comments) says:

    Wow.
    Credit to you Johnboy for your general knowledge.

    And…

    wReid,you fool, I used to give you credit to have a wbrain.
    I was Wwrong.
    Hard to figure where wyou are wcomming wfrom with wyour wpittifull w contwitution @W9.59 and W9.45
    Wturns out that wyou are wjust a wfukin widiot.

    You wreally wlet wyourself wdown with wthat.

    Wseems wthat you are wjust a wfukin widiot wafter wall.

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  288. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    For argument’s sake try this one: “the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group.”

    Well, exactly – that’s what Israel is NOT doing. They are trying to destroy the rockets being fired into the middle of their country, and even dropping leaflets showing people where to go to the areas to be safe. Hamas tells the people to stay where they are and be casualties of propaganda.

    I agree that on the face of it the accusation of genocide is overblown. I think that the Arab states are part of the problem in a similar way to Hamas, although not to the same degree.

    My argument is that the conflict isn’t fundamentally about the state of Israel vs the Palestinians, but rather the secular state vs non-citizens as part of a strategy to acquire territory and influence. The acquisition of territory is documented as the Oded Yinon plan:

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

    There is also the role of religion and deity to throw into the mix. The borders described in the Oded Yinon plan are the same as the borders of the land promised to the descendants of Abraham (Genesis 15).

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  289. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    People like their meat in little trays with gladwrap over the top to stop all the icky things too David.

    Life/death isn’t really like that! :)

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  290. Fletch (6,529 comments) says:

    But Ugly, as I posted yesterday, the Arabs rejected a plan put forward by the Peel Commission in 1937 (way before Israel was made a state and before any talk of “occupation”, as no land was occupied) which would have given the Arabs 80% of the land area and the Jews 20%. The Jews even agreed to that little bit of land. The Arabs have a hatred for the Jews and want to see them wiped out. It has nothing to do with land. Do you not think the Jews are entitled to ANY land at all? Especially when their ancestral home has always been there?

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  291. EAD (1,452 comments) says:

    Only a few people here are deceptive enough to realise that the ongoing Middle East “crisis” is deliberately manufactured and is part of a very long term plan going all the way back to well before the Balfour Declaration.

    Whilst I detest the Islamic fanatics, it is clear as day & night that the Islamic world is being deliberately provoked and the proliferation of extremists is entirely predictable (Drone attacks, government overthrows and invasions tend to have that effect).

    Now here is where the cognitive dissonance comes in:
    – How come our MSM feeds us a narrative that Islam is a Religion of Peace yet we constantly see reports of their barbaric acts?
    – How come we are told that we are at war with Islamic terrorists yet turn a blind eye to their radicalisation in our own lands by so called “hate preachers”

    If you turn off the TV, put down that Newspaper and spend some time thinking for yourself, you might arrive at some uncomfortable truths about what is really going on.

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  292. Fletch (6,529 comments) says:

    It all comes down to the Jews refusing Mohammed as their prophet –

    What’s going on in Gaza has nothing to do with settlements or land…but rather EVERYTHING to do with Muhammed’s petty hatred of Jews (and Christians) or “People of the Book”, who rejected Muhammed’s self-aggrandizement.

    Here’s the source of the Islamic hatred of Jews (courtesy of “Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism and Slavery,” by MA Khan):

    – Muhammed relocated to Medina in June 622 A.D. (CE) on the background that his mission at Mecca, his city of birth, had failed. He was only able to gain 150 converts in 13 years.

    – He began to attempt to woo Jews and Christians by calling Islam a “sister religion” and adopted many Judeo-Christian traditions (fasting, circumcision, and praying toward Jerusalem etc., in order to give Islam an Abrahamic appearance).

    – Despite his deceptive efforts, the Jews rejected Muhammad as their prophet. Instead, they became steadfast critics of Muhammad’s revelations, because they had the inner knowledge of what is in the Torah, which Muhammad claimed he brought in its entirety through his Quran. His messages were replete with errors which put Muhammad and Allah in an embarrassing position.

    –That rejection set Muhammed on a homicidal course against the Jews (and Christians), which included the beheading of 800 Jewish men and boys of the Banu Qurayza tribe.

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  293. David Garrett (7,701 comments) says:

    JB: I quite agree…one of the reasons I chose to raise my kids out here, on the play farm…they know that meat comes from the little lambies and cute brown eyed calves…which I suppose is why both of them are currently vegetarian!!

    Seriously though…for me there is only one humane method of CP and that is British style hanging…You might enjoy “A life for a life: a case for capital punishment” Hazard Press, Christchurch, 1999…your local library will have a copy…

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  294. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    As long as you have an artist like Mr. Pierrepoint doing it I agree David but a bullet in the head is quick and easy and instant.

    This dreadful nonsense they drag out in the US over injecting folks is I think designed purposely to get rid of capital punishment.

    Whenever I’ve had to take my pets to the Vets for the blue injection they just went out like lights, no drama, no 600 breaths gasping.

    All over in 10 seconds! :)

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  295. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    I hope they give me the same when I get the word starting with C.

    Anyway much fun again tonight see y’all! :)

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  296. David Garrett (7,701 comments) says:

    JB: Exactly my point…I had to put the family cat down a few months ago…an injection in his paw…his head softly dropped into my hands…all over..

    You would almost think wouldn’t you, that what you quite rightly describe as the “dreadful nonsense” the yanks indulge in is designed to provide fuel for the anti CP fire…

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  297. srylands (438 comments) says:

    “You would almost think wouldn’t you, that what you quite rightly describe as the “dreadful nonsense” the yanks indulge in is designed to provide fuel for the anti CP fire…”

    Yes it is awful. The easiest way to kill someone painlessly is using nitrogen or helium – death by hypoxia.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7183957.stm

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  298. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    But Ugly, as I posted yesterday, the Arabs rejected a plan put forward by the Peel Commission in 1937 (way before Israel was made a state and before any talk of “occupation”, as no land was occupied) which would have given the Arabs 80% of the land area and the Jews 20%.

    Israel – as a group of people – was never made a state. The inheritance of the land belongs to the people, not to the states of the British mandate.

    The Jews even agreed to that little bit of land.

    Some did, the agreement didn’t affect all the beneficiaries of the inheritance.

    The Arabs have a hatred for the Jews and want to see them wiped out.

    Yes, there’s a history of religious conflict, perhaps a reason why the land inherited by the people of Israel was set apart from the rest of the promised land.

    It has nothing to do with land.

    It has everything to do with land. The secular state will not acknowledge rightful ownership.

    Do you not think the Jews are entitled to ANY land at all? Especially when their ancestral home has always been there?

    Of course they are entitled to land, especially the land of their ancestry.

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  299. David Garrett (7,701 comments) says:

    srylands: yes, I have heard this…but are those methods any more humane than death by carbon monoxide?? apparently it is odourless and tasteless…and the victims just gently drift away…

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  300. UglyTruth (4,554 comments) says:

    What’s going on in Gaza has nothing to do with settlements or land

    Bollocks. The behaviour of the Zionists appears to be consistent with the acquistion of territory described by the Oded Yinon Plan.

    but rather EVERYTHING to do with Muhammed’s petty hatred of Jews (and Christians) or “People of the Book”, who rejected Muhammed’s self-aggrandizement.

    What self-aggrandizement? The Quran describes the messenger as an agent of deity, it’s not as if he assumed authority that wasn’t rightfully his.

    Also, while the Quran is critical of Jews and Christians it is also accomodating towards those who do good works and believe in the last day:

    VERILY, those who have attained to faith [in this divine writ], as well as those who follow the Jewish faith, and the Christians, and the Sabians -all who believe in God and the Last Day and do righteous deeds-shall have their reward with their Sustainer; and no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve.
    Quran 2:62

    Here’s the source of the Islamic hatred of Jews…

    Evidence of religious politics precedes Muhammed:

    https://www.ark-of-salvation.org/wild_ass_2003.htm

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  301. ShawnLH (6,693 comments) says:

    “Yesterday I was musing with Reid and Yoza, this fuckwit tried to inject himself into the discussion,
    he/she was invited to fuck off.”

    I think I spotted your initial mistake. All three are part of KB’s Hate Israel club. They tend to swarm together, as their kind always have, waiting for any mention of Israel, old hatreds in their dead eyes.

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  302. Yoza (1,926 comments) says:

    ShawnLH (3,212 comments) says:
    July 24th, 2014 at 11:52 pm

    “Yesterday I was musing with Reid and Yoza, this fuckwit tried to inject himself into the discussion,
    he/she was invited to fuck off.”

    I think I spotted your initial mistake. All three are part of KB’s Hate Israel club. They tend to swarm together, as their kind always have, waiting for any mention of Israel, old hatreds in their dead eyes.

    Sorry Shawn, but watching white supremacists politely applauding while their champion, Israel, slaughters hundreds of defenceless women and children is just a little too hard to stomach without, at the very least, registering my contempt.

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  303. Fletch (6,529 comments) says:

    Of course they are entitled to land, especially the land of their ancestry.

    …which is where they are now… eg, King’s David and Solomon had their kingdoms there from 970 – 930 B.C

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