General Debate 29 July 2014

July 29th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Yoza (1,816 comments) says:

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  2. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    Getting today’s Nuremberg rally underway early are we Yowza?

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  3. starboard (2,523 comments) says:

    Firs.. d’oh

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  4. Yoza (1,816 comments) says:

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  5. flipper (3,989 comments) says:

    Heh Yoza….

    Explain this:

    ” *** Hamas used ceasefire to execute 25 Gazan civilians and blame Israel

    by Cameron Slater on July 29, 2014 at 8:00am

    There is no limit to the depravity of Hamas, and it disgusts me that our media continues to cuddle these terrorists and they wreak self-inflicted destruction on their people.

    If they aren’t putting children into the tunnels to die they are executing their own people and trying to blame the Israelis.

    Hamas militants killed at least 25 Gazan civilians suspected of collaborating with Israel, World Net Daily reported, citing sources close to Hamas and the Islamic Jihad groups … ”

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  6. mandk (968 comments) says:

    Yoza,
    If you were honest, you would acknowledge that all Hamas has to do to stop the attacks is to stop sending rockets into Israel targeted at civilians.
    If Israel lay down its arms, it would be obliterated and all its citizens slaughtered.
    If Hamas lay down its arms, there would be peace.

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  7. OneTrack (3,024 comments) says:

    Yoza – or Gaza could stop firing the rockets. How many per day is it?

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  8. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    Frickin soft media these days, how the hell do they print such a soft-cock puff piece like this, asking BNZ CEO how he manages his personal finances responsibly. The implication is that were it not for his wife he would spend is meagre $3M AUD paycheck on silk ties and fine wine. Enough to make me gag.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/10310133/Face-Value-How-the-banker-manages-his-money

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  9. Keeping Stock (10,301 comments) says:

    Is Asenati Lole-Taylor in some way involved in the illegal accessing of a NZ First official’s criminal record which was then used against the official? Her husband is under investigation by the Corrections Department, and now they want to interview her as well. She reckons “They need to get over it”.

    Sorry Asenati; you’re the one who needs to get over it. Illegally accessing records is a sacking offence in most businesses. Her attitude is not what one would expect from an elected or an appointed-by-Winston representative.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/07/they-need-to-get-over-it.html

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  10. KiwiGreg (3,249 comments) says:

    At least the hospital explosion seems to be a misbehaving Hamas missile.

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  11. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “In a civilised world Israeli criminals would face justice for the horrors they have committed”

    In a civilized world Arab terrorists would face justice for the horrors they have committed, but you don’t care about their crimes.

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  12. duggledog (1,528 comments) says:

    Hamas appear to be prevalent in the habit of killing their own children.

    It’s a world wide problem clearly…

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  13. tom hunter (4,735 comments) says:

    It would seem that chanting “baby killer, baby killer, baby killer” at the Israelis and their supporters is just not having the effect it used to.

    Probably because people have twigged that the likes of Yoza don’t care about such crimes either – when they’re committed by his side.

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  14. flipper (3,989 comments) says:

    Yoza…

    Your reference to Nuremberg is obviously a reference to the fact that your socialist brother in arms, the late and unlamented Joseph Stalin, once boasted to Churchill and Roosevelt, that the best way of clearing a minefield was to march a bunch of German prisoners through the area.

    Sounds like the Hamas thugs are doing just that sort of thing by placing children in harms way or by killing their own if they don’t fit their radical image….. like sufficient screaming and the crying of crocodile tears for TV cameras.

    And you and your like, Yoza, blame Israel. Sick!

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  15. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Keeping Stock (10,100 comments) says:
    July 29th, 2014 at 8:12 am

    If this has happened the evidence would be immediately available and he would have or should have been gone by now. Every transaction is recorded in the database, without exception. An inability to explain and provide a valid excuse for accessing that information is immediate dismissal. I cannot understand why that hasn’t happened – unless it didn’t happen, or there was a justifiable reason to access the information (e.g. the person’s sentence was still current, or they have reoffended and the previous convictions were required for reporting etc). Even under those conditions, there must still be adequate reasons to access the information. Corrections staff cannot just have a noisy round to see whose doing what – they have to be accessing the file for a legitimate reason.

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  16. Gulag1917 (880 comments) says:

    Commonwealth Games Scottie dogs ‘disrespectful to Muslims’
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10995961/Commonwealth-Games-Scottie-dogs-disrespectful-to-Muslims.html

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  17. Lance (2,635 comments) says:

    One question Yoza

    Where any rockets fired from or close by those locations by Hamas with the simple aim of creating tragic casualties?

    Simple question.

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  18. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    It’s the same old far left bullshit. When Stalin was starving millions to death the far Left, and even some on the mainstream Left, claimed it was all just anti-Communist propaganda and that the real crimes were being committed by the capitalist West.

    Same with Robert Mugabe in his early years. Same with Pol Pot and the North Vietnamese. Same with Islamic terrorism.

    To lefties it is never their chosen mass murderers who are the criminals, only those that oppose them.

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  19. kowtow (8,324 comments) says:

    TVNZ news posted a BBC report from gaza. Amazingly they reported Hamas took only moments to breach their own ceasefire.They also showed the Israeli UN ambassador saying ‘Ceasefire. We cease,they fire” Priceless.

    Meanwhile in the rest of the peaceful tolerant Muslim world, more soldiers beheaded in Syria,Tripoli airport in flames and baby killers rampage in the land of the pure…….

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/10994971/Pakistani-mob-kills-two-children-including-a-baby-and-their-grandmother-after-blasphemous-Facebook-post.html

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  20. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Gulag1917 (652 comments) says:
    July 29th, 2014 at 8:23 am
    Commonwealth Games Scottie dogs ‘disrespectful to Muslims’

    I have to say my Labradour was extremely annoyed to, and is boycotting the rest of the games, and refusing to watch any more of the television coverage.

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  21. Lance (2,635 comments) says:

    @kowtow
    Yes I almost choked on my dinner. TVone was actually hinting at a balanced report and that Hamas weren’t goody two-shoes.
    Wonders will never cease.

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  22. Odakyu-sen (600 comments) says:

    Yoza,

    Why would a modern army waste ordnance on a playground?

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  23. Harriet (4,857 comments) says:

    Yoza#

    We have always said that in our war with the Arabs we had a secret weapon – no alternative. – Golda Meir

    We Jews have a secret weapon in our struggle with the Arabs; we have no place to go. – Golda Meir

    The Egyptians could run to Egypt, the Syrians into Syria. The only place we could run was into the sea, and before we did that we might as well fight. – Golda Meir

    We do not rejoice in victories. We rejoice when a new kind of cotton is grown and when strawberries bloom in Israel. – Golda Meir

    It is true we have won all our wars, but we have paid for them. We don’t want victories anymore. – Golda Meir

    She was a PM of Israel. About 40yrs ago.

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  24. EAD (1,001 comments) says:

    Great and inspiring article on Lew Rockwell on the immorality of government and the morality of Liberty:

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/07/robert-wenzel/the-murdering-looting-state/

    “So if somebody wants to advance the cause of liberty, if they are dedicated to it, the first thing you always have to do is read. Read, read, read. Read the great Austrians. Read the great Libertarians. Once you know, then people in your family, in your social circle, at work, are going to come to you when something is bothering them. You know, what’s going on in Iraq? Why is the Fed doing thus and so? Why are prices going up so quickly even though the government is lying about it? So there’s vast areas to talk about. But, again, not only the best way, I would argue that the only way to combat the government lies is through truth. So Libertarians do have the truth on their side. And we have so many great revisionist historians and Austrian economists and great philosophers that we have just a huge amount of ammunition to make use of.

    Ron Paul, in the work he’s done not only in this country but with young people all over the world, we have young people questioning what the heck is going on. He’s got them questioning the wars, the inflation, the central banks, the government regulations, the police state, the surveillance. All the horrible things that government is doing to us, kids are questioning it. They’re also of course worried about their own economic futures. Maybe they’ve got vast debts for useless degrees and that sort of thing.

    So always mistrust Government. Always make fun of them. They can’t stand being made fun of, by the way. Hobbs the evil statist, said the prince can stand any kind of opposition; he can’t stand being ridiculed. And I think that’s correct. They hate being ridiculed so, therefore, very, very important to make fun of them. That’s fun for us, too”

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  25. thePeoplesFlag (242 comments) says:

    “…once boasted to Churchill and Roosevelt, that the best way of clearing a minefield was to march a bunch of German prisoners…”

    Well, the SS anyway.

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  26. thePeoplesFlag (242 comments) says:

    Wonder when the tired and emotional Nick Smith will start legal action against Forest and Bird? Or is the minister of meds reviewing his prescriptions as we speak?

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  27. tom hunter (4,735 comments) says:

    Well, the SS anyway.

    Or the Red Army. All the same to Uncle Joe.

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  28. kowtow (8,324 comments) says:

    peoplesflag

    Re Nick. You’re only confirming what most around here think of you.Lowlife leftist prick.

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  29. Manolo (13,586 comments) says:

    The savage Muslims are wilder than ever all over the world. Ah, the vile religion of peace.

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  30. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “article on Lew Rockwell on the immorality of government and the morality of Liberty”

    A response to Lew Rockwell.

    “Everyone is to obey the governing authorities, because there is no authority except from God and so whatever authorities exist have been appointed by God. 2 So anyone who disobeys an authority is rebelling against God’s ordinance; and rebels must expect to receive the condemnation they deserve. 3 Magistrates bring fear not to those who do good, but to those who do evil. So if you want to live with no fear of authority, live honestly and you will have its approval; 4 it is there to serve God for you and for your good.

    But if you do what is wrong, then you may well be afraid; because it is not for nothing that the symbol of authority is the sword: it is there to serve God, too, as his avenger, to bring retribution to wrongdoers. 5 You must be obedient, therefore, not only because of this retribution, but also for conscience’s sake. 6 And this is why you should pay taxes, too, because the authorities are all serving God as his agents, even while they are busily occupied with that particular task. 7 Pay to each one what is due to each: taxes to the one to whom tax is due, tolls (literal = tribute) to the one to whom tolls are due, respect to the one to whom respect is due, honor to the one to whom honor is due.”

    Romans 13: 1-7

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  31. Other_Andy (2,613 comments) says:

    tom hunter says:

    “Or the Red Army. All the same to Uncle Joe.”

    Or the Basij militia, sending children.

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  32. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “We Jews have a secret weapon in our struggle with the Arabs; we have no place to go. – Golda Meir”

    Or they could go back to the USA and the Palestinians could have their stolen land back.

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  33. eszett (2,401 comments) says:

    Interesting food for thought on the Israel-Palestine conflict, maybe even for Yoza. Sam Harris, as always, has a very thoughtful and eloquent piece.
    Well worth a read or listen

    http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/why-dont-i-criticize-israel

    Couldn’t really agree with him more

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  34. Ryan Sproull (7,101 comments) says:

    “Everyone is to obey the governing authorities, because there is no authority except from God and so whatever authorities exist have been appointed by God. 2 So anyone who disobeys an authority is rebelling against God’s ordinance; and rebels must expect to receive the condemnation they deserve. 3 Magistrates bring fear not to those who do good, but to those who do evil. So if you want to live with no fear of authority, live honestly and you will have its approval; 4 it is there to serve God for you and for your good.

    But if you do what is wrong, then you may well be afraid; because it is not for nothing that the symbol of authority is the sword: it is there to serve God, too, as his avenger, to bring retribution to wrongdoers. 5 You must be obedient, therefore, not only because of this retribution, but also for conscience’s sake. 6 And this is why you should pay taxes, too, because the authorities are all serving God as his agents, even while they are busily occupied with that particular task. 7 Pay to each one what is due to each: taxes to the one to whom tax is due, tolls (literal = tribute) to the one to whom tolls are due, respect to the one to whom respect is due, honor to the one to whom honor is due.”

    Romans 13: 1-7

    I think that’s part of the Saudi penal code too.

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  35. Griff (7,518 comments) says:

    :lol:
    “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”
    Yip if you said to the Jews circa 0034CE what would the message mean?
    Hint
    Joshua 21:43
    Thus the LORD gave to Israel all the land that he swore to give to their fathers. And they took possession of it, and they settled there.

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  36. Southern Raider (1,811 comments) says:

    Have you all see the Green Prince interview on CNN. He is also known as the Son of Hamas as his father was one of the initial leaders of Hamas.

    Yoza won’t like it as he tells about what Hamas is really like and that they don’t care about Israel as it is just a stepping stone to creating a global Islamic state

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  37. flipper (3,989 comments) says:

    jackinabox (579 comments) says:

    July 29th, 2014 at 8:55

    *****

    Heh Jack..

    Stay in the box.
    You are absolutely useless outside.

    But if you can , please detail the date, within the last 3000 years, when the Jews (aka circa 2014 Israel) “stole” the so called “Palestinian’s land”.

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  38. Southern Raider (1,811 comments) says:

    Yoza if the IDF have managed to publish videos showing multiple rockets fired from that UN School and that there is a high chance one also misfired why is this impossible for the playground.

    IDF was quick to state it was not them, but the media just publishes what Hamas says.

    Another day, more innocent people will die and Yoza etc will carrying on defending Hamas

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  39. Southern Raider (1,811 comments) says:

    Jackinabox

    The United Kingdom of Israel was founded in 1000 BCE. This is an established fact from historians. Jews have lived there in varying numbers since then.

    The name Palestine only came into existence when Hadrian wanted to rid the area of any Jewish influence after the third uprising

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  40. Southern Raider (1,811 comments) says:

    Also a good video of Hilary Clinton on the Jon Stewart show where she takes no shit and continually turns it around to Hamas being the sole problem.

    Looks like she is positioning herself to be the democratic nominee

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  41. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “The United Kingdom of Israel was founded in 1000 BCE. This is an established fact from historians. Jews have lived there in varying numbers since then.”

    My Dutch mum tried to justify Apartheid by repeating the false propaganda (she was brainwashed at school in Holland) that there were no people living in Southern Africa when the Dutch colonists first arrived there.

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  42. dime (9,861 comments) says:

    So Lisa Hummus bombed their own hospital? lol

    I guess when you’re way underground in your secure bunker, who cares how many of your own people get it. As long as you can play it up to the western media.

    Cant wait til Israel locate the main bunkers and drop one of those glorious bunker buster bombs on it. They have a bunch – Obama was running a buy 4 get 1 free promotion a few years ago.

    Hopefully no israeli ground forces have to go into the bunkers – can you imagine the stink? my god. The dirty bastards holed up in there will end up on trial for using chemical weapons

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  43. Jack5 (5,053 comments) says:

    The People’s Flag posted at 8.34:

    “…once boasted to Churchill and Roosevelt, that the best way of clearing a minefield was to march a bunch of German prisoners…”

    Can you give us the source for your quote, please, People’s Flag?

    The German and Russians’ treatment of each others’ prisoners was notorious, but the Russians also used their own penal battalions rather ruthlessly. I’m not sure, but the Germans may also have had penal battalions.

    Both fuck witted. If the Germans had treated Russian prisoners and civilians humanely, they might soon have had a decent-size Russian Army on their side. The treatment of so-called “kulaks” and religious people by the Bolsheviks was still fairly fresh in people’s memories.

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  44. Gulag1917 (880 comments) says:

    Somebody trying to start a war?
    NATO Poland base may be prepared for blitz against Russia
    http://rt.com/news/175292-nato-poland-supply-base/

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  45. Manolo (13,586 comments) says:

    Not mincing words: http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/We-are-looking-at-the-beginnings-of-a-Holocaust-369165

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  46. flipper (3,989 comments) says:

    A change if topic (albeit briefly I suspect)…..

    Winniepoo, CminusT, J Key and G Wheeler, et al all say the NZ dollar is “grossly overvalued”.

    But others have similar problems:

    “Pound is overvalued, warns IMF ” …the Telegraph 7/29

    So if the US dollar, the Canberra dollar, the Jap, the Peking, the Kremlin, and the Euro, are all “grossly overvalued”, what does that leave?

    Well, what is the Saudi currency again ? Bugger, that must be over-valued because of Middle East political instability, and the Rupee over valued and unstable because of India’s borders with the Pakis, so then what remains?

    Situation normal!

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  47. dime (9,861 comments) says:

    ZB news tells me thereis some conference on. Pacific Islands plus aussie & nz.

    Apparently the islands are very concerned about climate change and it will be the number one issue – i fuckin bet they are! they have never seen an opportunity for free money like this before!

    id be all over it like a fat kid on a cupcake.

    “the sea level is rising and its going to ruin our fresh water supply! the only way to stop that happening is to give us billions of dollars!”

    they arent happy with aussie scraping their carbon tax haha not sure anyof the islands have a carbon tax themselves.. they just have cheque accounts opened up for deposits of glorious cassssshhhhhhhhh

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  48. flash2846 (274 comments) says:

    Yoza says: 10 children killed as bombs hit Gaza playground, hospital

    Hey Yoza, thought I would report some more likely truth on the issue.

    10 trainee terrorists killed as bombs hit Gaza rocket launch site placed inside a playground

    Gaza – Seven future welfare funded terrorists training during the Eid al-Fitr holiday were among eight Parasites taken out in a self-defence bombing attack on a Hamas rocket launcher situated in a playground near a Gaza refugee camp.
    Al Jazeera reports the trainees were practising how to kill in the park near the al-Shati refugee camp on the edge of Gaza City.
    Palestine’s Maan News Agency reports more than 40 terrorists were also injured in the defensive action.
    The trainees were dressed in explosive vests and disguises for the purpose of murdering innocent women and children in Israel. Trainees are typically given poisons and explosives that look like candy and toys for the sole purpose of exterminating Israelis.
    Another strike hit the ammunition dump made to look like an outpatient clinic at al-Shifa Hospital also used to launch rockets at Israel. Gaza’s largest, Agence France-Presse reports the good news that three trainee terrorists were reportedly killed in that attack.

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  49. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “the sea level is rising and its going to ruin our fresh water supply! the only way to stop that happening is to give us billions of dollars!”

    Or some decent water storage tanks maybe?

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  50. Southern Raider (1,811 comments) says:

    Manolos the Danes have lost the plot and shows the issue with western leadership

    There is a big difference between freedom of speech/protest and allowing mobs to roam neighbourhoods trashing religious centres, burning shops and beating people up

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  51. Jack5 (5,053 comments) says:

    Re Gulag1917 at 9.26 on alleged NATO stockpiling in Poland.

    How soon people forget: Napoleon in 1812 invading Russia with 600,000 men, of whom 120,000 survived; Hitler attacking Russia in 1941 with four million men in Operation Barbarossa and more than two million German dead (the Rumanians, Italians, perhaps Spanish, and other German allies also suffered losses).

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  52. stephieboy (2,799 comments) says:

    EAD,

    “Lew Rockwell: Bad For The Liberty Movement, Period and his destructive influence .
    His blog also a haven for the 9/11 Truth movement .
    Racist, white supremacist too.He among other things ties in the Federal Reserve and rap music giving kids brain damage.

    Welcome to Moon bat territory .!

    http://www.unitedliberty.org/articles/11186-lew-rockwell-bad-for-the-liberty-movement-period

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lew_Rockwell

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  53. Komata (1,180 comments) says:

    Dime

    Re: ‘…They just have cheque accounts opened up for deposits of glorious cassssshhhhhhhhh’

    No, no, no sir, the LEADERS (‘those who know such things and are wonderfully wise in all matters’), are the ones with the cheque accounts. It’s their ‘right’ because they ARE the leaders who know such things…. etc. etc. etc.

    Just a small detail, but an important one…

    Thought you should know.

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  54. Jack5 (5,053 comments) says:

    Re Flipper at 9.32:

    Who said the Chinese yuan was overvalued? Or the US dollar? Or perhaps even the euro?

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  55. EAD (1,001 comments) says:

    @ gulag:

    It’s Truly amazing watching as the anti-Russian propaganda campaign being conducted by Washington follows in the footsteps of the campaigns conducted against Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi, Assad, and Iran. Washington’s campaign of lies against Russia proves the absence of integrity in the US government and is reckless and as you note could well lead to war.

    Former Wall Street Journal Editor and Reagan Treasury assistant, Paul Craig Roberts has an excellent insider’s take on what is going on:
    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/07/28/update-latest-us-government-hoax-paul-craig-roberts/

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  56. stephieboy (2,799 comments) says:

    Gulag1917 (653 comments) says:
    July 29th, 2014 at 9:26 am

    Posting absolute nonsense by the indefatigable Kremlin controlled propaganda and xenophobic Russia Today.

    I note Poland ‘ may” with typically without any supporting factual evidence. But plenty of paranoia.

    Sarah Firth resigns from Russia Today tired of the lying over M17 etc, etc,

    http://thedailybanter.com/2014/07/rt-reporter-quits-pro-russia-spin-mh17-disaster-says-shes-tired-lying/

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  57. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “Agence France-Presse reports the good news that three trainee terrorists were reportedly killed in that attack.”

    “We will kill the children also because when they grow up they will come to kill us.” Heinrich Himmler.

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  58. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Thanks flash, I now know that ‘trainee terrorist’ is the correct term for a Palestinian child.

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  59. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    Amira Hass writing in Haaretz: Israel’s moral defeat will haunt us for years
    “We have passed 1,000 dead Palestinians. How many more?”

    The reality of a war of destruction, attrition, morality and media.

    If victory is measured in the number of dead, then Israel and its army are big winners.

    How many more? Ten bodies, 18? Three more pregnant women? Five dead children, their eyes half-open, their mouths gaping, their baby teeth poking out, their shirts covered with blood and they are being carried on a single stretcher?

    If victory means causing the enemy to pile up a number of slaughtered children on one stretcher, since there are not enough stretchers, then you have won, Chief of Staff Benny Gantz and Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon – you and the nation that admires you.

    If victory is measured in the number of families wiped out within two weeks – parents and children, one parent and a few children, a grandmother and daughters in law and grandchildren and son, brothers and their children, in all the variations you might choose – then we also have the upper hand.

    If victory is measured by the success at causing lifelong trauma to 1.8 million people (and not for the first time) waiting to be executed any moment – then the victory is yours.

    These victories add up to our moral implosion, the ethical defeat of a society that now engages in no self-inspection, that wallows in self pity over postponed airline flights and burnishes itself with the pride of the enlightened.This is a society that mourns, naturally, its more than 40 soldiers who were killed, but at the same time hardens its heart and mind in the face of all the suffering and moral courage and heroism of the people we are attacking. A society that does not understand the extent to which the balance of forces is against it.

    Our moral defeat will haunt us for many years to come.

    Israel have a right to defend themselves. And they have the strength to win easily, militarily.

    But what sort of win will they end up with? A victory that ensures permanent conflict?

    Hamas cannot claim moral victory with their missile provocations but Israel looks like battling them for moral defeat.

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  60. Kiwi Dave (86 comments) says:

    According to General Eisenhower, Marshall Zhukov told him in 1945 that Russian infantry attacked through minefields as if they were not there on the basis that whether an area was defended by machine guns or minefields, the infantry were going to take casualties anyhow. Reputedly, penal battalions were favoured for high casualty assaults, including over minefields.

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  61. EAD (1,001 comments) says:

    Michael Snyder notes the massive inflation in food prices and how this is starting to lead to unrest.

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/if-this-keeps-up-they-will-have-to-start-putting-armed-guards-on-food-trucks

    This spells bad news as when you can’t keep the masses distracted with bread, the circuses won’t stop them rioting against the governments that promised them free things all the time for all eternity and led them to believe this was somehow sustainable.

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  62. stephieboy (2,799 comments) says:

    Himmler from his Posen speech to his Generals October 1943 on the vital importance of exterminating Jewish Women and Children,

    “The Jewish question has been solved within Germany itself and in general within the countries occupied by Germany. [...] You can understand how difficult it was for me to carry out this military order which I was given and which I implemented out of a sense of obedience and absolute conviction. If you say: ‘we can understand as far as the men are concerned but not about the children’, then I must remind you of what I said at the beginning. [...] In my view, we as Germans, however deeply we may feel in our hearts, are not entitled to allow a generation of avengers filled with hatred to grow up with whom our children and grandchildren will have to deal because we, too weak and cowardly, left it to them.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posen_speeches#.22Extermination_of_the_Jewish_people.22

    http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/h-posen.htm

    I believe the excerpt from Himmler’s Posen speech is taken entirely out of context in respect of the deaths of Palestinian children.

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  63. jcuk (668 comments) says:

    It is ironical that afer suffering in the concentration camps of WWII the Zionists currently maintain a much larger camp called Gaza. If Hamas stop firing rockets will Israel open the camp, or if they fear an invasion then induce the Egyptians to permit access across that border if not across their own? Probably too simplistic to work, moresthepity. At least they could lift the naval blockade which I seem to remember stopped humanitarian supplies directly reaching Gaza awhile back.

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  64. cricko (303 comments) says:

    Almost feeling sorry for Yoza today. (almost )
    He has taken such a well deserved thrashing from all and sundry after his earlier outbursts that it
    seems to have shocked him into pulling his head in.

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  65. tom hunter (4,735 comments) says:

    It’s good to know how important moral victories and moral defeats are. It gives me the confidence to predict that if a thousand Jews are ever killed in Israel by Hamas, that Western leftists will wring their hands in anguish and be very upset.

    Yet somehow I don’t find this comforting.

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  66. stephieboy (2,799 comments) says:

    jcuk, your comparison between Gaza and WWIi Nazi concentration camps is false and entirely spurious. The Nazis e.g herded 500,000 jews into the Warsaw ghetto and area of about one and of square miles . They were put on starvation rations . Typhus and typhoid epidemic were the order of the day. Thousands died like flies of disease and starvation. The rest set to Treblinka for liquidation / special treatment it
    Now extrapolating on that figure would put he Gaza population at least 10 million or more.

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  67. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    ‘if a thousand Jews are ever killed in Israel by Hamas’
    Not a realistic prospect though, is it tom?

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  68. Other_Andy (2,613 comments) says:

    Hamas kills more of their own and tries to blame Israel (again).

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11300651

    Maybe we should listen to them…

    Another man stood beside a pool of blood and cried: “We don’t want an agreement. We don’t want a cease-fire. All of us, children, women, will give our souls for God!”

    Received loud and clear!
    Roll up the terrorist network.

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  69. Manolo (13,586 comments) says:

    Moral defeat is a relative term, P.G. Think of the already bankrupt Hamas: where are the international press, the Left, and fellow-travelers when comes to highlighting its criminal campaign over the years?

    The Jewish state should and must prevail over the barbarians. It does not matter that the one-eyed supporters of darkness claim a “moral” victory. The survival of Israel is at stake. No ifs, no buts.

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  70. Yoza (1,816 comments) says:

    Harriet (4,514 comments) says:
    July 29th, 2014 at 8:31 am

    Yoza#

    We have always said that in our war with the Arabs we had a secret weapon – no alternative. – Golda Meir

    Golda Meir was a Russian, who is she to complain about the uppity natives getting touchy because her and her fellow colonists are trying to steal their country.

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  71. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “’s Truly amazing watching as the anti-Russian propaganda campaign being conducted by Washington follows in the footsteps of the campaigns conducted against Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi, Assad, and Iran.”

    Because Saddam, Gaddafi, Assad, Putin, and the Iranian government are such nice, peace loving folks. Truly shocking that anyone would stand up to these icons of freedom, peace and liberty. :)

    It’s not propaganda if your telling the truth.

    Perhaps the US Paleo-libs should rename themselves “Libertarians for foreign tyrants.”

    Their slogan could be “Freedom for us, bugger the rest!”

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  72. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Children, the innocent victims in a war that isn’t of their doing. Who is to blame?

    The adults that send the bombs backwards and forwards, or the parents that stay with their children in the danger zone?

    The politics aside – any parent that is still living with their children in these zones that are being targeted by either side is suspect. I just cannot understand why they remain – even if they have no other home to go to – surely the government would/should insist they leave and arrange accommodation elsewhere? I would live in a box with my grandchildren somewhere else, rather than leave them there.

    Principles are all very well, but they don’t do you a great deal of good if you’re dead, and you’ve taken your descendants with you.

    I find it very suspicious that these children are still there – the adults from both sides have a lot to answer to.

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  73. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Israel have a right to defend themselves. And they have the strength to win easily, militarily.

    Don’t confuse the people of Israel with the Zionist state called Israel.

    A criminal state has no right to exist, and therefore no right to defend itself, just as a murderer has no right to commit his crime or to use it as justification for anything.

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/lavon.html

    In 1954, Israeli agents working in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including a United States diplomatic facility, and left evidence behind implicating Egyptian Muslims as the culprits. The ruse would have worked, had not one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to capture and identify one of the bombers, which in turn led to the round up of an Israeli spy ring.

    Some of the spies were from Israel, while others were recruited from the local Jewish population. Israel responded to the scandal with claims in the media that there was no spy ring, that it was all a hoax perpetrated by “anti-Semites”.

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  74. Other_Andy (2,613 comments) says:

    New Science Destroys the Saturated Fat Myth

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/07/27/saturated-fat-cholesterol.aspx?x_cid=20140727_lead_facebookdoc

    And here I thought the science was settled….
    99% of the scientist disagreed.
    Those that question the science must all be wing nuts and deniers.

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  75. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “Not a realistic prospect though, is it tom?”

    Not at all Mikey. And that silly little party of weirdos in 1920’s Germany was not a realistic prospect for government either.

    The problem Mikey is that you forget that HAMAS is backed by powerful and wealthy Arab/Islamic states with deep pockets and their own armies. So your’e claim as to what is or is not realistic is not based on the facts.

    And I repeat, what is realistic to a non-Jewish armchair critic in NZ is going to be very different to an Israeli who’s grandparents died in the Holocaust.

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  76. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    So Andy, because science can countenance changes of theory in one area, everything is up for grabs?

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  77. tom hunter (4,735 comments) says:

    @mm
    You think Iron Dome will get better faster than the Hamas rockets, especially with the Iranians helping their proxy? You can already buy GPS units off the shelf. The Israeli scientist who is mainly responsible for Iron Dome has said as much and it’s what was said about Reagan’s “Star Wars” system decades ago.

    I think if the Israelis simply try to play defence or buy into the proportionality bullshit then increasingly large numbers of them will die. Especially if they open the borders as they did several years ago when people in the West played the whole guilt game, notably around cement. Who could object to cement being imported? What weapons could be created with plain old concrete: the mockery and snark were endless. Well now we know what those hundreds of thousands of tons of cement were used for – building tunnels into Israeli territory, complete with bunkers for storing rockets and such like. Buildings for more schools, apartments, businesses? Who cares when there are Jews to be liquidated.

    A victory that ensures permanent conflict?

    If you’re really interested in the primary cause of permanent conflict you really can’t go past the Hamas charter. It’s available on the web: they’re quite proud of it, as are all the Palestinians who voted Hamas into power.

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  78. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Shawn
    There is no prospect of Hamas posing any kind of existential threat to Israel, no matter how many states might give it backing. Sorry that doesn’t fit with your narrative, but it’s just the reality.

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  79. Other_Andy (2,613 comments) says:

    mikenmild (10,689 comments) says:

    “So Andy, because science can countenance changes of theory in one area, everything is up for grabs?”

    In (real) science EVERYTHING is ALWAYS up for grabs.

    “No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong.”

    Albert Einstein

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  80. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I’d contest that Andy. Many areas of scientific knowledge are not really up for grabs at all. Science is an evolving process whereby we discover ever more about the natural world. No new discoveries are going to overturn many settled questions. I’m sure you could think of countless examples.

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  81. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    If you’re really interested in the primary cause of permanent conflict you really can’t go past the Hamas charter.

    Yes, that’s a major part of the problem. But Israel don’t help themselves towards any sort of situation closer to peace.

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  82. tom hunter (4,735 comments) says:

    I’ve looked through this thread for the term, “existential threat” – and the only one I can find who uses it is mikenmild.

    Of course I heard the same thing from the left over a decade ago. The USA faced no existential threat, just three thousand dead, less than the typical monthly death toll on the roads.

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  83. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “Don’t confuse the people of Israel with the Zionist state called Israel.”

    They are the same thing.

    “A criminal state has no right to exist”

    Well that screws most Arab states then.

    By the way, the “whatreallyhappenned” site has zero credibility. It’s just another whackjob conspiracy site, and it promotes the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, thus it is racist and anti-Jewish.

    It also links to sites like rense.com which I suggest people check out to see what kind of nutttery Ugly is promoting. Rense.com also regularly promotes “ex” KKK White Supremacist David Duke.

    Another site promoted by Ugly’s source is David Irving’s, the Holocaust denier.

    So Ugly is linking to and sourcing from web sites that promote Nazi style propaganda about Jews and that are happy to promote the likes of David Irving and David Duke.

    But hey, Ugly’s not a racist Jew hater….right?

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  84. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    tom
    So was the USA’s response to 9/11 worthwhile? Did it make the country safer? Are we any closer to winning the war on terror?
    I use the term ‘existential threat’ because of the many commenters who play up the threat to Israel – Hamas’s charter, hostile Arab countries, Iranian weapons, etc, etc.

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  85. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “There is no prospect of Hamas posing any kind of existential threat to Israel, no matter how many states might give it backing. Sorry that doesn’t fit with your narrative, but it’s just the reality.”

    No Mike, it’s your opinion, and not a very credible one.

    Sorry that trying to empathize with and understand Holocaust survivors and their decedents does not fit with your narrative.

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  86. J Bloggs (237 comments) says:

    Mikenmild: But the beauty of Science is that no matter how “settled” people believe the question to be, if new data emerges that is inconsistent with the status quo, and this is replicated (i.e. its not a rogue/spurious finding), then the whole question is up for grabs again.

    Now, the likelyhood of finding such data may well be highly remote, but the possibility is always open

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  87. tom hunter (4,735 comments) says:

    … that’s a major part of the problem.

    In the same way that beliefs about Untermenshen were “a” major part of the problem, especially when they were wedded with military firepower. Pity they were’t defeated before they got to that point.

    But Israel don’t help themselves towards any sort of situation closer to peace.

    You have a plan for getting Hamas to change their charter? Perhaps Gazans can vote them out of power. That’ll learn ‘em.!

    In the end the West helped itself towards peace by destroying most of the people who believed in such concepts.

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  88. Other_Andy (2,613 comments) says:

    Settled science:

    http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/files/2014/03/HistoryOfSettledScience-big.jpg

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  89. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    J Bloggs
    I agree with that. I was just against any general assumption that all aspects of scientific knowledge should be regarded as equally tenuous. For example, we can be pretty sure that the continents have drifted over many millions of years and that we understand the mechanisms driving that process. Likewise, we can be pretty sure about the links between saturated fat consumption and heart disease. We can also think of many areas where science in unsure – quantum physics etc. It’d be a nonsense to treat all scientific questions as equally unsettled.

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  90. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    “Don’t confuse the people of Israel with the Zionist state called Israel.”

    They are the same thing.

    And Elohim said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.
    Genesis 35:10

    The Zionist Organization was founded by Theodor Herzl at the First Zionist Congress in Basle in 1897; it was renamed the World Zionist Organization in 1960. Its goals were set forth in the Basle Program: “Zionism seeks to establish a home for the Jewish people in Palestine, secured under public law.”

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Zionism/wzo.html

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  91. tom hunter (4,735 comments) says:

    I use the term ‘existential threat’ …

    … because it’s a wonderful straw man that allows me to paint my opponents as reductio ad absurdists and avoids substantive debate involving multiple sentences and paragraphs.

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  92. Fletch (6,296 comments) says:

    Hamas kills more of their own and tries to blame Israel (again).

    The IDF says that at least 100 rockets fired by Hamas have fallen into their own side, into Gaza itself. They should know, as they track each and every one.

    The Israel Defense Forces has counted at least 100 rockets fired by Hamas as striking within Gaza, publishing a map of the militants’ under-reported own-goals.

    IDF Spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Peter Lerner on Wednesday said on Twitter, “Have you heard? #Hamas are launching rockets at….. #Gaza over 100 times in 9 days.”

    http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/16/idf-says-at-least-100-hamas-rockets-hit-within-gaza/

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  93. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    What if Mikey had been alive during WW2?

    On the eve of the Normandy Invasion: “This war has failed. Are we any safer today than we were in 1939? Have we eliminated the Nazis? No. Time to call it quits and start looking for peaceful solutions.”

    Thankfully Mikey was not in charge of the Allied campaign.

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  94. Griff (7,518 comments) says:

    n (real) science EVERYTHING is ALWAYS up for grabs.

    Yip Other Andy we dont even know what gravity is . Any day now someone will disprove it and we all float off into space.
    By the way I see from your post your little wingnut butt hurt wound is aching
    how quaint.
    :lol:

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  95. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    tom
    I don’t think it’s a straw man to point out that Israel’s vast military superiority means that it faces no credible military threat.

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  96. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    UglyNazi,

    The “Zionist state” is the rebirth of the ancient state of Israel. Thus Eretz Yisrael and the modern state of Israel are the same.

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  97. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Not a very convincing analogy Shawn, but it might spare you from having to engage in any substantive argument.

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  98. Fletch (6,296 comments) says:

    Hillary Clinton saying one of the most stupid things she’s ever said. Hamas hides its rockets in schools and hospitals because, you know, Gaza is very small and there is nowhere else to put them.

    In a recent interview with Fusion TV’s Jorge Ramos, the former secretary of state said that one reason why Hamas choses to hide its stockpile of rockets and missiles in schools is because apparently there’s not enough room to house them in areas that aren’t filled with children.

    “I’m not a military planner,” Hillary confesses, “but Hamas puts it’s missiles, it’s rockets in civilian areas, part of it is because Gaza is pretty small and its densely populated.”

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  99. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “I don’t think it’s a straw man to point out that Israel’s vast military superiority means that it faces no credible military threat.”

    Yes it is. Having a large conventional military, even one with nukes, is not fail safe against a large, determined and well financed enemy prepared to use terrorism.

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  100. Ross12 (1,411 comments) says:

    Well done Fed Farmers on their “rebuttle” of the greens on the water quality issue

    https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/24572243/why-green-isnt-the-best-colour-for-water-fed-farmers/

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  101. Fletch (6,296 comments) says:

    One for Griff – The Summer in the U.S is shaping up to be the coldest on record.

    So far the Summer of 2014 is shaping up to be the coldest summer on record in the U.S.A., with temperatures rarely breaking the 90-degree mark.
    The latest data averaged from all temperature stations of the Historical Climatology Network shows that this summer has thus far broken the record as the coldest.

    Another cold summer with a low frequency of days with recorded temperatures above 90 degrees came back in 1992, the year the atmosphere was coated with ash from the eruption of Mt. Pinatubo. However, going back to the 1880s, only one other summer in the early 1900s rivaled the 1992 and 2014 temperature readings.
    According to the data, the average number of 90-degree days has been steadily declining since the 1880s, as well.

    This HCN summer record comes on the heels of record cold temperatures in July that haven’t been seen since record keeping began in the 1880s. A strong cold front beginning on July 14 swept across the country, bringing below-average temperatures for much of the central and eastern U.S.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/07/28/2014-The-Coolest-U-S-Summer-on-Record

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  102. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “Not a very convincing analogy Shawn, but it might spare you from having to engage in any substantive argument.”

    According to you. I think it a perfect analogy. And you have made no substantive argument on this issue. Your two points have been that Israel should not respond to terrorism, and that there is no real threat to Israel.

    Neither of these are substantive arguments. And Tom is right that your version of substance is throwaway one liners with no attempt to make your case with any evidence or reasoned argument.

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  103. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The “Zionist state” is the rebirth of the ancient state of Israel.

    Israel was a name given to Jacob, and the descendants of Jacob (aka the twelve tribes of Israel). Later the twelve tribes separated into two houses, the house of Israel and the house of Judah. These kingdoms were never secular civil states like the Zionist state is.

    Zionism represents a state of betrayal, betrayal of Judaism and betrayal of Jews who did not fit into the Zionists plan for Palestine.

    http://www.nkusa.org/Historical_Documents/TheRabbisSpeakOut.htm

    Zionism, starting from its founding day in the year 1897, aroused sharp condemnation from all the Rabbis, both in Palestine and around the world. All of religious Jewry was united in its opposition to this dangerous new movement, and fought it fiercely. The result was that Zionism took hold almost exclusively among non-religious Jews.

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  104. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    ‘Your two points have been that Israel should not respond to terrorism, and that there is no real threat to Israel.’
    I don’t think I said that Israel should not respond to terrorism – it’s the nature of the response that is critical. And there is no real threat to Israel – that’s just an inconvenient fact.

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  105. Southern Raider (1,811 comments) says:

    I’m actually disgusted and feel sick that anybody can make a comparison between the Holocaust and Gaza.

    Have any of you fuckwits ever meet a Holocaust survivor? These people whether Jews, gays or gypsies went through the only thing that would come close to hell on earth. Being forced to watch your wife and children led to gas chambers or being shot in a field. Your children being used for grotesque medical experiments.

    Gaza has self rule, banks, hotels, cafés and gets billions of dollars of aid including daily deliveries from even their enemies Israel of humanitarian supplies

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  106. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “And there is no real threat to Israel – that’s just an inconvenient fact.”

    Ever heard of a dirty nuke? That is just one of many possibilities. So long as terrorists exist who want to destroy Israel then there IS a threat, which is the only inconvenient fact here.

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  107. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    How do you think those terrorists might be overcome then? Wouldn’t that be the main object? I would argue that Israel’s present actions are simply guaranteed to continue the conditions under which terrorism will thrive.

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  108. kowtow (8,324 comments) says:

    There is a modern holocaust going on in the Middle East ,it’s of the Christian Arab population ,but no one give a shit about them.The cultural Muslim in the White House certainly doesn’t and nor does the faux conservative in Downing Street.

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  109. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/deleted-bbc-report-ukrainian-fighter-jet-shot-down-mhi7-donetsk-eyewitnesses

    In a bitter irony, The BBC is censoring its own news productions.

    The inhabitants of the nearby villages are certain that they saw military aircraft in the sky shortly prior to the catastrophe. According to them, it actually was the jet fighters that brought down the Boeing.

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  110. kowtow (8,324 comments) says:

    If Yoza has such a problem with “colonists” why does he live in New Zealand?

    We’re all colonists ,in one incarnation or another.

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  111. Other_Andy (2,613 comments) says:

    Griff says:

    “Yip Other Andy we dont even know what gravity is .”

    And again you are showing your ignorance.
    The hypothesis of gravitational force is in no way a settled science.
    Various new theories have been proposed, even recently.
    Try Entropic gravity based on the black hole thermodynamics by Hawking.

    You truly are a ignorant fellow driven by fits of name calling.
    Now I know that your, self confessed, condition limits the ability to communicate, and to use imagination so I will excuse your rudeness and inability to grasp complex matters.

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  112. Griff (7,518 comments) says:

    Yip Fletch the usa makes up 1.2 % of the world surface.
    Meantime the globe, You know the planet most of us live on. just experienced the hottest month of June ever recorded this follows from the hottest may.
    I really dont give a fuck about your little story.

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  113. Griff (7,518 comments) says:

    :lol:
    butt hurt wingnuts* are so funny
    I said in my post we dont know….
    you then attack me with we dont know….
    :lol:
    having a bad wingnut day there other andy ?
    There seems to be some sort of conceptual problem in your command English.

    By the way a wingnut* is defined as

    Just like not all conservatives are neocons, not all conservatives are wingnuts either. In fact, more often than not, the term is usually used interchangably with “reactionary” or “radical right”.

    Being a wingnut requires a particularly paranoid worldview, teetering on the edge of or falling wholesale into tinfoil hat territory, as wingnuttery causes the victim to refuse to accept any source of information that doesn’t back up their prejudices (essentially, wingnuts are almost always authoritarian as well as being politically right-wing). Constant gibbering about the “liberal media” as well as a slavish devotion to cognitive dissonance, conspiracy theories, global warming denialism, psychological projection, and crackpot theories of economics (i.e. Austrian school) are also, if not required, at the very least nearly universal symptoms. This is all usually accompanied by a side dish of a severe persecution complex.

    Seems to fit well …. for butt hurt read cognitive dissonance…. even the persecution complex judging by your latest post. so wear the badge proudly like a good little wingnut Other Andy

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  114. UrbanNeocolonialist (286 comments) says:

    Speaking of settled science, Falsification of climate modelling: The climate isn’t cooperating.

    http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/cmip5-73-models-vs-obs-20n-20s-mt-5-yr-means11.png

    How the IPCC can defend being so far off base is beyond me. Any other branch of science and the scientists would be massively revising their models/theories. IPCC just doubles down and pretends their emperor is a sartorial genius, but it is obvious to anyone with eyes or a brain (and any true scientist) that the real sensitivity to CO2 is far lower than touted by the IPCC ‘consensus’. The big political problem is not just acknowledging being wrong, but that with low sensitivity that future calamity is just not on the cards = end of big money gravy train.

    I (like most sceptics) don’t dispute that the world warmed during the last 100 years, and it is probably driven to a significant degree by increasing CO2, but climate models can’t and don’t model all-important cloud formation and dissipation with any accuracy and there is likely also a significant natural variability component to the warming we have seen too driven by vast long term oceanic cycles like the PDO and AMO.

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  115. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Here’s a good one: it’s illegal in Florida for a doctor to ask a patient about gun ownership.
    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2014/07/docs_vs_glocks_upheld_florida_pediatricians_forbidden_from_asking_patients.html

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  116. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-resumes-its-ravage-of-gaza-rising-death-toll/

    Within Israel itself, the deranged and genocidal policies of Netanyahu’s government are producing growing alarm and opposition among the Jewish population. In the first large protest, at least 3,000 Israelis assembled in Tel Aviv on Saturday night to denounce the Gaza operation and call for peace and unity between Jews and Arabs.

    The demonstration was confronted by a far smaller counter-demonstration, organised by the extreme right-wing layers on whom Netanyahu increasingly rests. Fascistic elements in the right-wing crowd called for the death of their Jewish opponents. In another sign of the social antagonisms building up inside Israel, two Arabs in Jerusalem were hospitalised after they were attacked by a right-wing Jewish gang and bashed with iron bars.

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  117. freemark (569 comments) says:

    It makes me laugh, and indicates the gullibility of certain alarmists, that they still try and pull out the old, thoroughly discredited “97% of scientists” line.
    I think they can only be embarrassed that they continue to peddle the unproven (disproven??) doomsday lines on Climate Change, and have now set themselves up for the massive, inevitable fail as the scam is further uncovered.

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  118. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    Mike

    “How do you think those terrorists might be overcome then? Wouldn’t that be the main object? I would argue that Israel’s present actions are simply guaranteed to continue the conditions under which terrorism will thrive.”

    Here is what needs to happen. Both the “Palestinians” and the Arab/Islamic states, including Iran, need to fully and openly accept Israel’s right to exist, publicly reconcile with Israel, condemn terrorism, and cease funding and supporting it.

    That would do far more to change things than anything Israel can do.

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  119. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I see Shawn. Nothing at all that Israel needs to do then?

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  120. Griff (7,518 comments) says:

    :lol:
    Would you like to expand on your conspiracy there freemark ? Tell us who organizes such a vast global net work of conspirators
    And please dont link to such a pathetic site as your last effort the laughter almost killed me.

    It always entertaining to year the details about a conspiracy involving such bodies as.

    The royal society of science New Zealand
    http://www.royalsociety.org.nz/organisation/panels/climate/

    Royal Society and US National Academy of Sciences
    https://royalsociety.org/news/2014/climate-change-evidence-causes/

    The Pentagon
    http://www.defense.gov/pubs/2014_Quadrennial_Defense_Review.pdf

    The national party of New Zealand
    https://www.national.org.nz/news/portfolios/detail/climate-change-issues

    I could full up pages and pages of such links.
    and you a couple of wingnut blogs and newspaper stories?
    :lol:
    Wingnut denial of reality is so entertaining :lol:

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  121. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “I see Shawn. Nothing at all that Israel needs to do then?”

    No Mike. There really isn’t. So long as the opposition to Israel’s very existence is held to by most Arab/Islamic countries (thankfully not all) then there is nothing Israel can do except defend itself.

    The ball is in the Arab/Islamic world’s court.

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  122. freemark (569 comments) says:

    “Griff (6,754 comments) says:
    July 29th, 2014 at 12:09 pm
    :lol:
    Would you like to expand on your conspiracy there freemark ? Tell us who organizes such a vast global net work of conspirators”

    Who organises it?.. um, some of those guys that got busted sending the emails pumping up the alarmism? Those behind the hockey sticks? Those who get or want to get funding from IPCC etc? Those who see it as a new yet core tenet of Socialism?

    Who promotes it? Alarmists who are now very embarrassed about being exposed for their gullibility?

    Who buys into it? Perpetual doomsday merchants, those who are sensitive (personally, politically or otherwise) to the abuse & labels thrown around by people such as yourself..

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  123. Griff (7,518 comments) says:

    :lol:
    The blog of a failed tv weather man against.
    AMERICAN SCIENTIFIC SOCIETIES

    Statement on climate change from 18 scientific associations

    “Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver.” (2009)2
    AAAS emblem
    American Association for the Advancement of Science

    “The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society.” (2006)3
    ACS emblem
    American Chemical Society

    “Comprehensive scientific assessments of our current and potential future climates clearly indicate that climate change is real, largely attributable to emissions from human activities, and potentially a very serious problem.” (2004)4
    AGU emblem
    American Geophysical Union

    “Human‐induced climate change requires urgent action. Humanity is the major influence on the global climate change observed over the past 50 years. Rapid societal responses can significantly lessen negative outcomes.” (Adopted 2003, revised and reaffirmed 2007, 2012, 2013)5
    AMA emblem
    American Medical Association

    “Our AMA … supports the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s fourth assessment report and concurs with the scientific consensus that the Earth is undergoing adverse global climate change and that anthropogenic contributions are significant.” (2013)6
    AMS emblem
    American Meteorological Society

    “It is clear from extensive scientific evidence that the dominant cause of the rapid change in climate of the past half century is human-induced increases in the amount of atmospheric greenhouse gases, including carbon dioxide (CO2), chlorofluorocarbons, methane, and nitrous oxide.” (2012)7
    APS emblem
    American Physical Society

    “The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now.” (2007)8
    GSA emblem
    The Geological Society of America

    “The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research Council (2006), and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2007) that global climate has warmed and that human activities (mainly greenhouse‐gas emissions) account for most of the warming since the middle 1900s.” (2006; revised 2010)9

    SCIENCE ACADEMIES

    International academies: Joint statement

    “Climate change is real. There will always be uncertainty in understanding a system as complex as the world’s climate. However there is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring. The evidence comes from direct measurements of rising surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures and from phenomena such as increases in average global sea levels, retreating glaciers, and changes to many physical and biological systems. It is likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities (IPCC 2001).” (2005, 11 international science academies)10
    USNAS emblem
    U.S. National Academy of Sciences

    “The scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify taking steps to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.” (2005)11

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  124. dime (9,861 comments) says:

    Radio Live Midday News – Israel have bombed a top Hamas leaders house. Many innocents killed..

    They just had to throw the last bit in.

    1) – they were either held their against their will which makes it Hamas’ fault

    OR

    2) – they are fucking morons. Darwin in action. “hey man, im just going to go hang out at my buddies house. hes a leader of a terrorist organisation and the israelis are trying to kill him. should be a fun night”

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  125. Griff (7,518 comments) says:

    some of those guys that got busted sending the emails pumping up the alarmism?

    :lol:

    Eight committees investigated those stolen emails
    House of Commons Science and Technology Committee
    The independent Science Assessment Panel eng
    Pennsylvania State University
    Independent Climate Change Email Review eng
    United States Environmental Protection Agency
    Inspector General of the U.S. Department of Commerce
    National Science Foundation
    The result

    No scientific misconduct

    Are all these bodies in your global conspirowhacky as well as every scientific body in the world and the Pentagon etcetcetc freemark ?

    Hows the tinfoil supply? sounds like you and ugly should buy in bulk.

    :lol:

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  126. Yoza (1,816 comments) says:

    kowtow (7,619 comments) says:
    July 29th, 2014 at 11:38 am

    If Yoza has such a problem with “colonists” why does he live in New Zealand?

    We’re all colonists ,in one incarnation or another.

    Indeed, some have argued the reason Israel receives such lavish support from Western establishments is precisely because they appreciate watching a colonial master race dishing out violent ‘justice’ to the hapless disestablished natives on a scale they no longer get away with in their own countries.

    Southern Raider (1,583 comments) says:
    July 29th, 2014 at 11:21 am

    I’m actually disgusted and feel sick that anybody can make a comparison between the Holocaust and Gaza

    Noam Chomsky, “It is a poor tribute to the memories of the victims of the Holocaust to adopt the central doctrine of their murderers.”

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  127. Nukuleka (309 comments) says:

    Maybe Kiwiblog needs to have a special thread dedicated solely to the Israel/ Gaza conflict. As things stand at present The General Debate has been hijacked and is just a pointless BORE.

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  128. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    One of the things that separates the human species from others, is there advanced ability to analyse great amounts of data.

    It is that ability that has allowed us to develop into the ‘arguably’ superior species we are, and to have survived and flourished as we have.

    To question what is laid before us, what is seen by the naked eye, what is told to us by authority as being the truth and so on, is the single most strongest force in our survival as a species. The denigration of those that dare to question, that are now labelled conspiracy theorists by those with a lessor ability to analyse, who would prefer to blindly accept one view, because it is given by authority, or because it supports their own cultural world view is evidence of a deterioration in the overall condition of human intelligence. If this species is to survive, it will be thanks to those that do question … not those that blindly and ignorantly accept the word of those whose interests are driven by financial or egotistical desires.

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  129. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Key questions about the TPPA.

    ‘Nothing to hide – nothing to fear?’

    How come over 600 corporations get to see the TPPA text – but it’s kept secret from the public majority?

    ‘Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement’ – TPPA – what sort of ‘partnership’ excludes the public, when it supposed to be the ‘will of the people that is the basis of the authority of government’?

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption /anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  130. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “Indeed, some have argued the reason Israel receives such lavish support from Western establishments is precisely because they appreciate watching a colonial master race dishing out violent ‘justice’ to the hapless disestablished natives on a scale they no longer get away with in their own countries.”

    And the prize for whackjob Marxist comment of the day goes to……Yowza! Again. :)

    Keep drinking the Marxist Koolaid Yowza. Only a few braincells left to go.!

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  131. freemark (569 comments) says:

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/01/global-cooling-compilation/
    http://www.conservapedia.com/Climategate

    I’m working, I don’t have even the limited time needed to expose you (again) as an alarmist gullible fool, as so many have done, on a weekly basis.

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  132. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    The Chomsky Hoax, including in PDF form ‘, The Top 200 Chomsky Lies.’

    http://www.paulbogdanor.com/chomskyhoax.html

    Left-Wing Antisemitism: Information on the role of extreme leftists in promoting hatred of Jews and denial of the Holocaust.

    http://www.paulbogdanor.com/antisemitism.html

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  133. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Ha ha – Conservapedia cited as a source!

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  134. Nukuleka (309 comments) says:

    Someone called Lorde (might as well just call her/himself God) has made a video in conjunction with the Electoral Commission, encouraging young people to vote. All well and good. But I wonder just how objective or useful it is when this person is preaching a positive message couched in such negative terms. Making derogatory references to ‘old men in suits’ and ‘a demographic that doesn’t really understand us’ is scarcely the kind of message that the Electoral Commission should be encouraging or supporting.

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  135. Griff (7,518 comments) says:

    Nursey
    A hoax implies conspiracy as does the word scam.
    We have every scientific body in the world supporting the danger of uncontrolled AGW.
    We have a few wingut blogs Think tanks and newspapers who deny the reality.

    Critical thinking skills are used to evaluate the source of information for possible bias.

    The blogs and think tanks are strangely enough funded by those with most to lose if we move away from hydrocarbon based energy.

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dark-money-funds-climate-change-denial-effort/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial
    http://phys.org/news/2013-12-koch-brothers-reveals-funders-climate.html

    The hydro carbon emitting industry’s.

    There is a conspiracy here and its not the worlds scientific bodies who are to blame.

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  136. kowtow (8,324 comments) says:

    Religion of death ,opps peace, strikes again.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/nigeria/10996804/Three-female-suicide-bombers-kill-scores-in-Nigeria.html

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  137. kowtow (8,324 comments) says:

    Hey nuke,

    If they can’t be bothered to register and to vote then fuck ‘em.Tax payers’ money is wasted on the brain dead idiots who’ll only vote for parties that promise them other peoples’ money anyway.

    It’s not democracy, it’s theft.

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  138. Griff (7,518 comments) says:

    I don’t have even the limited time needed to expose you (again) as an alarmist gullible fool, as so many have done, on a weekly basis.

    Your post is a classical wingnut losing dribble called “Parrot Chess” Google it freemark.

    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
    conseropiedia
    glen beck and Sahara Palin
    RROFL
    :lol: :lol:
    :lol:
    :lol:
    fuck you are sooooo funny
    one of the funnest loony’s I have yet had the pleasure of laughing at.

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  139. tom hunter (4,735 comments) says:

    …. it might spare you from having to engage in any substantive argument.

    Clap ….. Clap …. Clap

    We can now add this to another keeper:

    mikenmild (10,704 comments) says:
    July 1st, 2014 at 3:09 pm
    Well of course I’m strongly biased. I have a strong preference towards reasoned discussion.

    As I pointed out the next day, a reasoned discussion is one that involves more than single sentences and single paragraphs – and a “substantive argument” even more so. To be fair that may be all that’s possible in between the supervisor looking over your shoulder, but I notice you’re no different on weekends.

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  140. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I thought I went through this with you the other day, tom. I’m sorry that I can’t always live up to the high ideals I set for myself when joining Kiwiblog. I’m sorry that I’m more tempted than ever by the glib response or the barbed shot. It is what it is.

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  141. tom hunter (4,735 comments) says:

    A horse is a horse of course, of course ….

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  142. RightNow (6,986 comments) says:

    A high horse no less

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  143. stephieboy (2,799 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth, I would like to have the opportunity to here a response from the BBC about the claim of censorship. Coming as it does from Global Research and similar Conspiracy sites it has the makings of the “constructed reality” reasoning of the Boston Bombing variety .

    As for the allegations from the Donetsk witnesses they’re obviously rebel sympathizers and the rebels themselves have come up with some pretty weird ideas about Flight M17.

    Example,’

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/rebel-leader-malaysia-plane-filled-with-already-dead-bodies.

    And consider these facts raised by a poster on the Trade me M17 Thread,

    “Rebels controlled the area – fact. 
Was the Ukrainian military there as well? No. How do we know? because if they were there, they would have been fighting there, and are only just now approaching the region. 
Rebels had BUKs – yes. How do we know? Because Russian TV congratulated them on capturing some from the Ukrainian military. Only, Ukraine said those ones were not in working condition. 
The Russians released video of the BUK being fired. 
The Russians even accused the Ukrainians for firing a BUK. Except the Ukrainians were no where near close enough to reach the target, if they did. 
The Ukrainians were fighting ground rebels, not sky rebels, so had no reason to be firing them, and they weren’t. 
Rebels had already been shooting down planes, therefore they had suitable missiles – fact.”

    Note especially the last one . The rebels had shot down two Ukrainian military aircraft prior to the downing of M17.
    Strong circumstantial evidence there I believe.

    Back to the alleged eyewitness accounts. Russia Today has claimed already the alleged planes were Sukhoi 25’s a ground assault aircraft that has a maximum ceiling of 22,000 ft I understand. Not designed as a fighter intercepter like the Su 27 or Mig 29.

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  144. stephieboy (2,799 comments) says:

    Yoza,

    Noam Chomsky, “It is a poor tribute to the memories of the victims of the Holocaust to adopt the central doctrine of their murderers.”?

    That is utter claptrap Refer my post 10.14 am

    Another example of Chomsky’s bloated polemic and rhetoric that deliberately distorts and skews the facts of history.

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  145. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “I’m sorry that I can’t always live up to the high ideals I set for myself when joining Kiwiblog.”

    We forgive you Mike! ;)

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  146. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “Another example of Chomsky’s bloated polemic and rhetoric that deliberately distorts and skews the facts of history.”

    Well said Stephie.

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  147. Griff (7,518 comments) says:

    :lol:
    http://colincraig.co.nz/
    Will the real colon crag please stand up

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  148. Fletch (6,296 comments) says:

    Noam Chomsky, “It is a poor tribute to the memories of the victims of the Holocaust to adopt the central doctrine of their murderers.”

    Yeh, because (as someone else on twitter put it) – “I totally remember the time those jews were rocketing @ hitler’s family from their synagogues and hospitals” and “Where are the train loads of Palestinians headed to OVENS and gas chambers!?”

    So, it’s exactly the same – NOT.

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  149. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    This one is for you YOSA
    HAMAS
    H-iding
    A-mong
    M-osques
    A-nd
    S-chools

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  150. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Just to be clear: Chomsky was talking about the right to free speech:
    ‘It seems to me something of a scandal that it is even necessary to debate these issues two centuries after Voltaire defended the right of free expression for views he detested. It is a poor service to the memory of the victims of the holocaust to adopt a central doctrine of their murderers.’

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  151. Don the Kiwi (1,706 comments) says:

    mikenmild (10,711 comments) says:
    July 29th, 2014 at 1:38 pm
    I thought I went through this with you the other day, tom. I’m sorry that I can’t always live up to the high ideals I set for myself when joining Kiwiblog. I’m sorry that I’m more tempted than ever by the glib response or the barbed shot. It is what it is.

    Are you also sorry for being a man, mikey?

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  152. Longknives (4,691 comments) says:

    So One-Hit-Wonder Lordy has waded in to the Election campaign encouraging her fans not to vote for ‘Old Men in Suits’…
    Not exactly impartial Lordy- Wonder who is behind this? The Gweens or The Fat German??

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  153. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    At least none of our politicians are astrologers:
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-28464009

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  154. Manolo (13,586 comments) says:

    Calling a spade a spade: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8882327/maori-legally-privileged-act-leader

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  155. stephieboy (2,799 comments) says:

    mikenmild ,

    “It is a poor service to the memory of the victims of the holocaust to adopt a central doctrine of their murderers.’

    That is vary dubious proposition. Unlike the Nazis and the SS the Israeli IDF are not intentionally and willfully exterminating Gazan Citizesns

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  156. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Didn’t you read what I posted earlier, stephie? Chomsky was talking about freedom of speech; not mass murder. It was in the context of the Faurisson affair, where Chomsky defended the right to free speech of a holocaust denier.

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  157. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    Gotta love this news headline:

    “Woman stabs husband with squirrel for not buying beer Christmas Eve”

    http://americablog.com/2014/01/woman-stabs-husband-squirrel-buying-beer.html

    :) :) :)

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  158. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “Chomsky was talking about freedom of speech; not mass murder.”

    Chomsky may have been, but Yowza used the quote to refer to the actions of the IDF, which is what Stephie was responding to initially.

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  159. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Don the Kiwi (1,592 comments) says:
    July 29th, 2014 at 3:11 pm

    There are those that are sorry for being a man, and there are ‘sorry’ men.

    I’d rather one be sorry that his sex is responsible for so much violence, than to be the sort that defends the use of violence against females, they are sorry men. Yes I acknowledge that females can also be violent, but not in such numbers, and generally not causing as much harm.

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  160. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    I hope the fuckwits in the USA understand if you nail Russia over and over with sanctions MOTHER RUSSIA might think take ukraine and as a safeguard warm the ICMs up.Mushroom clouds over Europe and the USA,just a thought,

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  161. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Quite right Shawn, Yoza was trying to be cute there.

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  162. tom hunter (4,735 comments) says:

    …. polemic and rhetoric that deliberately distorts….

    That’s right. That sort of language is reserved for tea baggers! 8O

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  163. Gulag1917 (880 comments) says:

    The Christian Right and their obsession with Israel being the Promised Land is not helping peace in the Middle East. They need to get educated and be a bit more discerning on what the Bible actually says.

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  164. Longknives (4,691 comments) says:

    Are the usual suspects going to come out in defence of their Stoner mate again now?

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10323801/CAA-knew-pilot-had-cheated-and-used-drugs

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  165. Maggy Wassilieff (344 comments) says:

    I remember reading glowing tributes in the Dom Post to the hot-air balloon pilot involved in the Carterton 2012 accident.
    Loads of folks involved with ballooning said he was safety conscious and a highly professional pilot.
    Were all they all fibbing?
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/10323801/CAA-knew-pilot-had-cheated-and-used-drugs

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  166. Viking2 (11,416 comments) says:

    Illegal downloading in government’s sights as Online Copyright Infringement Discussion Paper takes aim at consumers, ISPs

    THE days of downloading your favourite TV show for free could be numbered, with details emerging about the plans to crack down on internet piracy.

    A leaked discussion paper on the issue, published by news website Crikey, outlines measures the Federal Government is considering to curb illegal downloading, including forcing internet service providers (ISPs) to block offending websites and punishing customers caught infringing copyright.

    But John Stanton from ISP industry body Communication Alliance says the proposals overlook a major source of the problem — that the content consumers want is not accessible or affordable enough.

    Australians are among the worst offenders in the world when it comes to illegal downloading.

    http://www.perthnow.com.au/technology/illegal-downloading-in-governments-sights-as-online-copyright-infringement-discussion-paper-takes-aim-at-consumers-isps/story-fnjwnvrw-1227004467973#itm=taus|home|aus_homepage_content5_most-popular|1|MP_Perth-Now|homepage|homepage&itmt=1406610789162

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  167. Gulag1917 (880 comments) says:

    The USA and its ambitions

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  168. Johnboy (16,077 comments) says:

    Hooray! Transmission Gully to finally happen after almost a hundred years. Think of the many advantages to transport in Godzone! :)

    I mean Judith will be able to tool her shitter 270kw red thing down to Wainui to achieve nirvana at least 7 minutes faster than she could have done it before! :)

    Think of the anticipation she’ll have from this! :)

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/10323863/850m-Transmission-Gully-project-gets-green-light

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  169. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “The USA and its ambitions”

    That was hilarious Gulag! :)

    Do you do other forms of comedy?

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  170. dad4justice (8,137 comments) says:

    Great stuff Nigel and thanks for showing my ugly face again, my email box is full of people letting me know. Keep up the good work team. Forget the dropkick election it’s social issues that matter.

    http://tvnz.co.nz/breakfast-news/nigel-latta-tackling-nz-s-social-issues-video-6039987

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  171. Johnboy (16,077 comments) says:

    Jeeze Dad. That Nigel idiot looks like a bit of a chinless dropkick to me. :)

    He’s actually worked out the purpose of a company that sells alcohol is to sell alcohol. That’s deep man! :)

    It still won’t make me drop a 30 year habit and watch either of the peoples channels! :)

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  172. Gulag1917 (880 comments) says:

    ShawnL
    After destabilising the Middle East what would you suggest?

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  173. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    Gulag, when was the Middle East ever stable?

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  174. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @Johnboy (14,974 comments) says:
    July 29th, 2014 at 6:01 pm

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/3qbj2idke570qc3/10452950_1412500238970542_2432603628449348127_o.jpg

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  175. dad4justice (8,137 comments) says:

    Johnboy I agree, however Nigel Latta doesn’t mind talking about social issues that our socialist government sweeps under the carpet, as they are all well off and above common folk. I am waiting for John Key to walk on water. This is one sick country and every thumb down just shows how sick it is.

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  176. Yoza (1,816 comments) says:

    mikenmild (10,716 comments) says:
    July 29th, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    Didn’t you read what I posted earlier, stephie? Chomsky was talking about freedom of speech; not mass murder. It was in the context of the Faurisson affair, where Chomsky defended the right to free speech of a holocaust denier.

    mikenmild (10,716 comments) says:
    July 29th, 2014 at 4:53 pm

    Quite right Shawn, Yoza was trying to be cute there.

    No, I was just wrong. I honestly thought the comparison was with the Nazi’s persecution of those they decided were sub-human and Israel’s homicidal contempt for the Palestinian people – I had previously seen the quote used in a context that suggested as much.

    Although, I doubt Gaza could be described as anything else but a concentration camp.

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  177. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

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  178. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “our socialist government”

    There is a lot of comedy on KB today! :)

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  179. Johnboy (16,077 comments) says:

    Many a wet moment was mastered in the huge bench seats of my Mk4 Ford Zephyr Judith!

    You put the 4 speed column shift in first and it never got to stab you up the nether regions! :)

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  180. Griff (7,518 comments) says:

    JB
    Just whistle as she goes by new york style
    http://www.gtagaming.com/images/mods/1369501413_GTAIV2013052519552797.jpg

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  181. Johnboy (16,077 comments) says:

    John will get to walk on water on the 21st of September Dad! :)

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  182. Johnboy (16,077 comments) says:

    Sorry Griff a fail on that link!

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  183. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “Although, I doubt Gaza could be described as anything else but a concentration camp.”

    Never heard of a concentration camp with shopping malls.

    Does this look to anyone like a concentration camp?

    http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.380200.1314086565!/image/492651125.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_640/492651125.jpg

    Yup, it’s a Western style shopping mall in Gaza.

    “Concentration camp” my ass! :)

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  184. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    ….”You put the 4 speed column shift in first and it never got to stab you up the nether regions”….

    You had it too easy JB. Try it (& succeed) in a Mini on a wet night & you’re qualified to rewrite the Kama Sutra. :)

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  185. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    nasska (10,666 comments) says:
    July 29th, 2014 at 6:35 pm

    …a Mini on a wet night & you’re qualified to rewrite the Kama Sutra

    Oh, if I wasn’t a lady the stories I could tell. ;-)

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  186. Johnboy (16,077 comments) says:

    Had a mini too nasska. (Huge step up to driving the Mk4 aircraft carrier). I always opened one front door on the Mini and washed my socks while giving the current squeeze one. Efficiency lad, efficiency! :)

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  187. EAD (1,001 comments) says:

    Shawn – see reality for what it is, not what the Newspaper and label on the can tells you it is.

    National under Muldoon and Key (despite their labeling as Conservative, right wing governments) have been the 2 most socialist, destructive governments this country has had over the past 40 years.

    Sometimes I wish I too could wake up in my bed and believe whatever I wanted to believe rather than having to deal with the reality of how the world really is.

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  188. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “You had it too easy JB. Try it (& succeed) in a Mini on a wet night & you’re qualified to rewrite the Kama Sutra.”

    That sounds like cruel and unusual punishment to me. :)

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  189. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “Shawn – see reality for what it is, not what the Newspaper and label on the can tells you it is.”

    Oh my God! The labels on cans are false? I haven’t been eating baked beans?

    This is a crime of epic proportions!!! To the barricades! An end to tyranny and elevator music!!!

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  190. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    ….”That sounds like cruel and unusual punishment to me.”…..

    When you’re eighteen & you haven’t scored since the previous weekend you do what you must Shawn. :)

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  191. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “Sometimes I wish I too could wake up in my bed and believe whatever I wanted to believe rather than having to deal with the reality of how the world really is.”

    I don’t think contact with reality is your problem EAD. :)

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  192. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    nasska (10,667 comments) says:
    July 29th, 2014 at 6:44 pm

    When you’re eighteen & you haven’t scored since the previous weekend you do what you must Shawn. :)

    We solved that problem in the West, by declaring pay day (thursday nights) a party night too.

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  193. Johnboy (16,077 comments) says:

    You were lucky nasska holding out for a week!

    I used to have to fuck my pillows every second night then wash my own hankies in case Mum got suspicious! :)

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  194. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “When you’re eighteen & you haven’t scored since the previous weekend you do what you must Shawn.”

    I feel for you. At least I had a Holden Special station wagon with a blanket in the back. :)

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  195. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “I used to have to fuck my pillows every second night then wash my own hankies in case Mum got suspicious!”

    Your’e a disturbing little poppet JB. ;)

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  196. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (3,370 comments) says:
    July 29th, 2014 at 6:49 pm

    I feel for you. At least I had a Holden Special station wagon with a blanket in the back. :)

    Ah, a man with good taste!!

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  197. Johnboy (16,077 comments) says:

    Evening Minus! :)

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  198. EAD (1,001 comments) says:

    Global ambitions with troops in over 100 countries, very recent destabilisations Libya, Iraq, Syria and now Ukraine amongst others.

    Why, someone by the name of Niall Fergusson (you may have heard of him Shawn) recently wrote a book about the extent of the American Empire. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Colossus-Rise-Fall-American-Empire/dp/0141017007/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1406616283&sr=1-1&keywords=american+empire

    But of course in your mind, America are forever 1944 – the gallant heroes storming the beaches of Normandy to liberate France from the Nazis, ergo they can do no wrong at all ever again. All the hollywood movies with America as the good guys prove this fact.

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  199. Johnboy (16,077 comments) says:

    It only had the 149 tractor engine in it Judith! :)

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  200. OneTrack (3,024 comments) says:

    mike – “So was the USA’s response to 9/11 worthwhile? Did it make the country safer? Are we any closer to winning the war on terror?”

    I am not aware of any planes being flown by Muslims into buildings or bombs going off in the London Underground recently, so yes, yes and yes.

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  201. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    Here’s the roaring mentalism practised by a socialist Jew living in Hertfordshire and advocated by many here. WTF is wrong with your logic circuits? You don’t have any, on this issue, do you. All that cognitive dissonance boiling away in your stupid mental heads and tummies. WTF is wrong with you on this issue? WTF is wrong with you on this issue? WTF is wrong with you on this issue? etc.

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  202. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    I didn’t usually have to worry about it JB. I left home at 17 & went flatting so I could pretty much do what I wanted.

    The Mini events occurred when I was between flats & staying, very temporarily, at my girlfriend’s place complete with her Mum & Dad who were a bit straight laced about what their darling daughter got up to.

    Normal positions were resumed when I found somewhere to rent. :)

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  203. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    ….”WTF is wrong with your logic circuits? You don’t have any, on this issue, do you. All that cognitive dissonance boiling away in your stupid mental heads and tummies. WTF is wrong with you on this issue? WTF is wrong with you on this issue? WTF is wrong with you on this issue?”……

    You think we might have the wrong end of the stick then Reid? :)

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  204. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “WTF is wrong with your logic circuits? You don’t have any, on this issue, do you. All that cognitive dissonance boiling away in your stupid mental heads and tummies. WTF is wrong with you on this issue? WTF is wrong with you on this issue? WTF is wrong with you on this issue?”

    Perhaps you need to take you meds and have a wee sleep there Reid. :)

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  205. Johnboy (16,077 comments) says:

    I luv it when folks open up to us all here and tell us their history. It’s almost as if KB is a giant collective analysts couch! :)

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  206. OneTrack (3,024 comments) says:

    Johnboy – “Hooray! Transmission Gully to finally happen after almost a hundred years. Think of the many advantages to transport in Godzone! ”

    We still have get past the election. If the coalition of envy gets in, that project will get killed stone dead. With that and the Carbon Tax coming in you might have talk Judith into catching the train.

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  207. Johnboy (16,077 comments) says:

    And as Basil Fawlty’s Psychiatrist guest famously said:

    “There’s enough material for a whole conference here”! :)

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  208. Johnboy (16,077 comments) says:

    Think positive OneTrack. No one with any brain at all, even a rabid leftie, would allow Julie to become transport minister! :)

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  209. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Judith into catching the train.

    Judith will be lucky if she survives that long!

    I have developed severe PTSD (pre traumatic stress disorder) bought on due to severe anxiety over what the results of 20/9 will be.

    I’m thinking of applying to ACC for compo.

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  210. dad4justice (8,137 comments) says:

    You enjoy backing up your malicious scum of earth mate bigot blouse over on the family court thread johnboy?

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  211. Johnboy (16,077 comments) says:

    I told him he was an asshole Dad! What more can I do? :)

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  212. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    D4J,

    “You enjoy backing up your malicious scum of earth mate bigot blouse over on the family court thread johnboy? Your sick fucks.”

    Language! There are children present!

    Or have Ead, Reid, Gulag and Yowza gone to bed?

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  213. dad4justice (8,137 comments) says:

    Johnboy -he is more than an asshole. Never in my life as anybody told so many lies about me. What is this creep’s problem with me? Who is it? Why? This must end.

    Shawn – STFU !

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  214. Griff (7,518 comments) says:

    Talking of Psychiatrists
    look who turns up.
    Loony stalker dude.
    You really are a little obsessed D4J.
    It makes the tale of big bruv all the more believable

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  215. Johnboy (16,077 comments) says:

    Maybe your not a Mighty Ories supporter Dad?

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  216. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “Shawn – STFU.”

    Make me! :)

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  217. OneTrack (3,024 comments) says:

    Yoza – “Although, I doubt Gaza could be described as anything else but a concentration camp.”

    A concentration camp with rockets?

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  218. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “A concentration camp with rockets?”

    And shopping malls!

    I think Yowza’s brain fell out of his head some time ago. Reading Chomsky wouldn’t help. :)

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  219. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    ‘You really are a little obsessed D4J.’
    It’s not like Griff to use understatement.

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  220. kowtow (8,324 comments) says:

    ……..and beaches…….

    …….and booze shops, oh wait,hamas intimidated those into closing.

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  221. Johnboy (16,077 comments) says:

    Home final Milky! Feeling lucky? :)

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  222. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    D4J’s ranting has seems to have gone into high gear in the last week or so. Lots of veiled threats. Then again Ugly told me to “prepare for a world of pain” when I challenged him recently.

    Has a mental institution closed down recently?

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  223. Johnboy (16,077 comments) says:

    We should get some of them Gazan bastards over here to push through the second Mt Vic tunnel and the Waitemata tunnel.

    We could pay them in Skyhawks and worn out Steyrs! :)

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  224. big bruv (13,727 comments) says:

    ShawnLH

    Might it be that the real problem is that they are both religious?

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  225. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    Not fair bb. I don’t rant like that at all! :)

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  226. Yoza (1,816 comments) says:

    ShawnLH (3,375 comments) says:
    July 29th, 2014 at 6:32 pm

    [Yoza]“Although, I doubt Gaza could be described as anything else but a concentration camp.”

    Never heard of a concentration camp with shopping malls.

    Does this look to anyone like a concentration camp?

    The inmates are confined there under a state of siege while being murdered with regular ferocity by their captors. This is how concentration camps operate.

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  227. Griff (7,518 comments) says:

    After having someone link to conservopiedia in a science debate d4j does only seem a little miky
    http://www.conservapedia.com/Dinosaur

    History of dinosaurs

    Creation science asserts that the biblical account, that dinosaurs were created on day six of creation[5] approximately 6,000 years ago, along with other land animals, and therefore co-existed with humans, thus debunking the Theory of Evolution and the beliefs of evolutionary scientists about the age and creation of the earth.

    Creation science posits that dinosaurs lived in harmony with other animals, (probably including in the Garden of Eden) eating only plants[6]; that pairs of each dinosaur kind were taken onto Noah’s Ark during the Great Flood and were preserved from drowning[7]; that many of the fossilized dinosaur bones originated during the mass killing of the Flood[8]; and that possibly some descendants of those dinosaurs taken aboard the Ark are still around today.[9] At least 300 distinct genera of dinosaur have been identified

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  228. Johnboy (16,077 comments) says:

    Better you should call Gaza a Ghetto Yoza. The inmates still have substantial control over their own fates in a Ghetto. In a concentration camp they would have virtually none!

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  229. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    Sure Yowza. I believe that. No, I really do! Seriously, I really, really…..oh fuck it!

    Ya fruitcake! :)

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  230. dad4justice (8,137 comments) says:

    Five against one. Who said kiwi bloggers weren’t keyboard cowards. Yeah right. Meanwhile in the real world.

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  231. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    Never mind Dad….Baity will be along soon to help you out. :)

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  232. dad4justice (8,137 comments) says:

    I don’t need help nasska, I am on TV tonight . I just feel sorry for these childish creeps who have nothing better to do. I could clean them all up with just one fart :-)

    Just watch Shawny, bigot blouse, gripp, mikeyslop and co have a cowardly field day. haha.

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  233. Johnboy (16,077 comments) says:

    Surely he’ll be busy advising Colin on how to play the new hand JK has dealt him nasska?

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  234. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “Five against one. Who said kiwi bloggers weren’t keyboard cowards.”

    Oh please! It’s words on a blog ya big girls blouse. Get a grip!

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  235. big bruv (13,727 comments) says:

    “Meanwhile in the real world.”

    Ever been there?

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  236. wiseowl (869 comments) says:

    Laila is standing in Keys electorate.
    The election gets more exciting by the day.

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  237. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “Laila is standing in Keys electorate.”

    So is Penny. I wonder if they will cancel each other out?

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  238. big bruv (13,727 comments) says:

    Don’t be so hard on yourself D4J

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  239. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    There’s a danger that she might split the vote with Waterwoman & let JK slip through the middle wiseowl. :)

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  240. Scott Chris (6,060 comments) says:

    New Science Destroys the Saturated Fat Myth

    So do you agree with the author of the link you provided Andy, that:

    1. Limit or eliminate all processed foods
    2. Eliminate all gluten and highly allergenic foods from your diet
    3. Eat organic foods whenever possible to avoid exposure to harmful agricultural chemicals, such as glyphosate
    4. Avoid genetically modified ingredients (GMO), which wreak biological chaos on a cellular level and are linked to abundant health problems, including chronic inflammation and heart disease

    Better go sign up to the Green Party mate.

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  241. Scott Chris (6,060 comments) says:

    A high horse no less

    http://2.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/d/a/collegehumor.1e2c6fdda2c26fd52d7e881a3a36611b.jpg

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  242. Don the Kiwi (1,706 comments) says:

    GD ‘s in fine fettle tonite.

    Johnboy is expanding his obsession with ewes and Judith.

    Judith is admitting her youthful dalliances.

    BB is agreeing.

    Shaun is offering encouragement.

    My problem is, I had a Mini Cooper S in which I – shall we say – learnt various forms of contorsionism. ;-)

    Follwed up by Mk.VI Zephyr – but not one, two of those beautiful handling machines.

    Does that qualify me for being better than Johnboy – excluding the sheep and Judith? :-)

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  243. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/er6yhf3lvkpjdsc/Itmustbeevil%201.jpg

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  244. wiseowl (869 comments) says:

    Would be a great debate with Laila, Penny Dull and Key.

    Laila listhping, Penny blah,blah,blah and Key smiling.

    Lucky Helensville voters.

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  245. big bruv (13,727 comments) says:

    I reckon it will be a hoot Wiseowl. I am bloody tempted to go along just to ask Penny when she is going to pay her rates.

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  246. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    You can tell South Auckland is a shit-hole. I drove past a house in one of the state house slums with a big banner hanging from the window, it read; “HAPPY 30TH BIRTHDAY GRANDMA”.

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  247. tom hunter (4,735 comments) says:

    No, I was just wrong. I honestly thought the comparison was with the Nazi’s persecution …

    Strangely enough I believe you, though that comes as a hilarious admission given the degree to which you channel Chomsky on this blog.

    The implication is that you’ve been reading stuff like What Uncle Sam Really Wants, American Power and the New Mandarins, Manufacturing Consent, or any of the hundred other boilerplate potboilers he’s pumped out over the years – including my personal favourite antique, Superpowers in Collision: The Cold War Now from the early 1980’s.

    But it now seems that you’ve really just been reading Uncle Noam’s Big Book Of Quotes :)

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  248. Johnboy (16,077 comments) says:

    Beat we with the Cooper S Don. Mine was just an 898cc. I’ve had two MkIV’s as well. One I dropped a 289 into. I’ve had heaps of virtual sheep but so far I’ve never had a Judith. I live in eternal hope! :)

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  249. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    “Mum” he said “the other boys at school are using two words I don’t understand. Can you tell me what they mean?” “Certainly” mum said. “What are they?”

    “Pussy and bitch”. Mum inhaled sharply, but recovered quickly. “Oh, that’s easy” she said. “A pussy is a cat, like our little Chico. A bitch is a female dog, like our Sandy”.

    Craig thanked his mother, and ran out the door. But something about his mother’s explanation bothered him. So he sought out his father. Dad was in the garage.

    “Dad” Craig said “the guys at school are using words I don’t understand”. “What words, son?”

    “Pussy and bitch. I asked mum, but I don’t think she told me the right meanings”. “Son, never ask your mother about these things. Ask me. Let me explain what they mean for you”.

    He pulled a Playboy from his workbench, turned to the centrefold and drew a circle around the pubic area.

    “Everything inside the circle is pussy” he said. “Okay, Dad. Then what’s a bitch?” “Everything outside the circle”.

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  250. Johnboy (16,077 comments) says:

    That’s a conundrum then nasska.

    I was working on the plan that everything inside Judith’s Holden shitter was a bitch when it trundles up my driveway! :)

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  251. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    George Galloway eviscerates US Senate

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  252. big bruv (13,727 comments) says:

    Dean Papa

    The only thing Galloway has eviscerated is the truth. The man is charlatan, a liar and a crook. He took money from Saddam Hussein and then promptly praised the man to anybody who would listen.

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  253. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    Ah George Galloway. A man who never met a Jew hating tyrant he didn’t like.

    He didn’t actually eviscerate the Senate. He just behaved like an unhinged terrorist supporting nutjob. Which of course, he is.

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  254. Johnboy (16,077 comments) says:

    Cue Hone praising Dotcrim anytime now bb! :)

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  255. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    The lies of George Galloway.

    “When he’s not engaging in antisemitism, licking the boots of fascist dictators, or contributing to ‘Comment is Free’, George Galloway provides commentary on world events for PressTV Global News.

    Recently on the Iranian network, he offered a classic conspiracy theory, alleging that Israel supplied the Syrians with chemical weapons used to murder several hundred civilians last week – a charge which found its way onto the floor of the House of Commons……

    http://cifwatch.com/2013/08/30/the-lies-of-george-galloway/

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  256. big bruv (13,727 comments) says:

    If anybody is interested in seeing Galloway eviscerated then jump onto utube and watch the late Christopher Hitchens tear the arms and legs off him.

    The funniest thing about all of it is that Hitchens insults Galloway (in ways that only Hitchens could do) and Galloway is simply not smart enough to know he is being ripped apart.

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  257. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    George Galloway gets caught in a lie again.

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  258. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    If you genuinely don’t think Galloway wiped the floor with Coleman et al, then it goes a long way to explaining why you losers are always in a state of such bewilderment.

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  259. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    And again……

    “The hard-Left British Member of Parliament George Galloway was met with a frosty reception at the London School of Economics yesterday as he was protested against by pro-Israel, pro-Palestinian, and even feminist groups on campus.
    Galloway’s arrival was met by a protest by anti-rape campaigners following the MP’s comments in support of Julian Assange in 2012. Surprisingly, the MP who supported the Gaza convoy, and regularly rails against the State of Israel was also criticised by the LSE’s Palestine Society.
    But Galloway also managed to create controversy around this visit to the LSE, by lying to his student audience – in a video seen exclusively by Breitbart London – about his refusal to debate Israelis – a position that has led many to call Galloway a ‘racist’.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/03/20/Galloway-frosty-LSE-reception

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  260. Johnboy (16,077 comments) says:

    I’m surprised Russel Norman hasn’t had a sex-change operation, got shot of the silly little sausage and invited George to become the new co-leader! :)

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  261. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “Galloway tries to justify 9/11 and gets destroyed by Hitchens”

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  262. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    Well Dean, I don’t think I’m a loser, but I would rather be one than a stinking, Jew hating, terrorist supporting sicko like you.

    Bit of a Hitler fan are you?

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  263. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    See DPF, how is it you can feign offence at a couple of dotcom’s innocuous jokes, yet allow this sort of crap on to your blog?

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  264. Southern Raider (1,811 comments) says:

    This world is getting fucked up.

    A Jewish community leader in NSW has been forced to resign from a post on the NSW Community Relations board because he wrote an email that included a truthful accusation that Hamas are terrorists.

    Guess what the PC fuckers in the NSW govt forced him out after Arabs and Muslims in Sydney laid a complaint against him.

    Within 10 years it will most likely be a hate crime to question anything actions of Arabs or Muslims

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  265. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “See DPF, how is it you can feign offence at a couple of dotcom’s innocuous jokes, yet allow this sort of crap on to your blog?”

    Like posting links to George Galloway, a terrorist supporter?

    Get over yourself boy. When you post links to someone who can quite reasonably be called a Nazi you don’t have any moral high ground.

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  266. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    Some of those youtube titles can be a bit misleading. Just a thought to keep in mind! Actually Galloway won that debate. I am in fact very much a fan of Christopher Hitchens, but I suspect the loyalty and debt he thought he owed to the USA following his taking of citizenship clouded his judgement, just a tad. Watch the entire debate, I have.

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  267. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    Shawn, mate. Get a grip. You are becoming unhinged.

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  268. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “Shawn, mate. Get a grip. You are becoming unhinged.”

    Nah, I just call a spade a spade.

    And your’e not my mate.

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  269. tom hunter (4,735 comments) says:

    I always liked the part where Galloway said that Hitchens was a “drink-soaked former Trotskyist popinjay.”.

    Hitchens reply “Only some of which is true.” is classic.

    Galloway’s insult, typically crude and dumb even while dressed in the finery of boutique British socialist language is undoubtedly what draws the likes of Dean to him – the subtle, self-deprecating wit of Hitchen’s response being something beyond his and Galloway’s grasp.

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  270. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    This is Shawn’s mate, he seems to get his talking points from him, sounds just like him. What’s the bet Shawn’s got a poster of Sean on his wall? How else does one explain the close resemblance?

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  271. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    This is Reid’s mate, he seems to get his talking points from him, sounds just like him. What’s the bet Reid’s got a poster of this guy on his wall? How else does one explain the close resemblance?

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  272. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    Shawn I’ve never suggested we invade Poland. You claim people who criticise Iswael support terrorism, all the time. You’ve done it hundreds of times. If the shoe fits Shawn, have the guts to wear it, fool.

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  273. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “You claim people who criticise Iswael support terrorism”

    It’s Israel ya dick. Mikenmild criticizes Israel and I have never called him a terrorist supporter or a Nazi. Why? Because his criticisms, unfair though I think they are, never stray anywhere near to the kind of extreme Nazi style conspiracy theories and anti-Jewish/Zionist rhetoric you, Ugly and a couple of others engage in.

    If the shoe fits Reid, wear it.

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  274. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    What I have said in the past is that the Israeli leadership is a bunch of satanic murderous thugs. When you look at what they’re doing right now, how can anyone with a braincell disagree?

    Shawn’s just too dumb to work out the difference between calling truth when it disagrees with his own extraordinarily limited worldview, and being evil. Therefore, being of clearly limited intellect, he conflates the two. Just like a child does. Isn’t that right Shawn.

    And BTW, I wouldn’t if I were you attempt to understand the why I think that, it’s clearly beyond you to assess the truth or falsity of the various breadcrumbs I’ve left, I mean, you can’t even bring yourself to admit the very basic truth I’ve just enunciated about them being evil, even when it’s on telly, tonight, with hundreds of slaughtered human beings right in front of your eyes.

    And if you can’t even get that through your thick skull, what hope have you got of ever understanding the more complex and subtle information that a thinking person would appreciate as background to that allegation?

    Goodnight, fool.

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  275. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “What I have said in the past is that the Israeli leadership is a bunch of satanic murderous thugs.”

    That sounds like Nazi rhetoric.

    “When you look at what they’re doing right now, how can anyone with a braincell disagree?”

    When you look at what Islamic terrorists have done, how can anyone with a braincell make excuses for them?

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  276. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    ” I mean, you can’t even bring yourself to admit the very basic truth I’ve just enunciated about them being evil”

    It’s not a truth, it’s bigotry pretending to be truth.

    Good night Nazi.

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  277. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Shawn’s just too dumb to work out the difference between calling truth when it disagrees with his own extraordinarily limited worldview, and being evil.

    After all his theology training he says that a secular state, i.e. the Zionist state called Israel, is the rebirth of a theocratic kingdom, i.e. the historical kingdom of Israel. Some people just don’t get it, perhaps the purpose of their lives is to serve as a warning to others.

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  278. ShawnLH (4,605 comments) says:

    “After all his theology training he says that a secular state, i.e. the Zionist state called Israel, is the rebirth of a theocratic kingdom,”

    It’s the rebirth of the Jewish national homeland. Nor is the current state of Israel purely secular. It has religious elements as well. In fact anyone with a smidgen of knowledge about Judaism (which rules out Nazi scum like you and Reid) knows that secular/non-secular definitions do not apply to Judaism the way they apply to other religions.

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