General Debate 4 July 2014

July 4th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. mikenmild (12,443 comments) says:

    First

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  2. hj (7,182 comments) says:

    Feminist rhetoric:

    Rolf Harris has just been found guilty of multiple sexual offences and it has been revealed that he sexually molested girls and young women throughout his career, his behaviour was tolerated and he had won numerous awards. The victims felt powerless to question his behaviour and were not listened to if they did. The shocking thing is that this is not just an historical situation, this sick culture is a continuing one.

    http://thestandard.org.nz/local-bodies-woman-experiences-sexual-attack-pm-gets-first-apology/

    *his behaviour was tolerated and he had won numerous awards*

    Jan Logie of the party that promotes multiculturalism sees faults: western (rape) culture. Ignores the obvious cultural missmatch between muslim men and western women.
    http://thestandard.org.nz/why-did-you-not-ask-apologies-culture/

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  3. fernglas (199 comments) says:

    Netflix and others available through Slingshot, at a 10th of what you pay for Sky, and the best Sky intends to offer is a channel that recycles their own programming but on demand. It was a toss up between back to back Super Rugby and back to back episodes of Breaking Bad, Damages and Longmire. With $120 a month to spend on popcorn. No brainer.

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  4. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    How’s that immigration is great,celebrate diversity,integration,religion of peace thingy going?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2679587/Racist-thugs-jailed-battering-two-men-death-baseball-bats-werent-Muslim.html

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  5. Dom Knots (155 comments) says:

    ‘Are you dissatisfied with our service??.’ – ‘Yes. i can live stream for no cost what you offer for 88 pinger p.m’. * Click *.

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  6. hj (7,182 comments) says:

    I don’t believe we have a rape culture but we will always have men trying it on and making a cock-up. What the feminists don’t like to admit is that out of x women, y go off with a bang. Educating (young) men needs to take this realistic position into account.

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  7. Tarquin North (404 comments) says:

    I see Lucy Lawless now has a monthly column in the Herald. Today’s one is predictably about global warming. Why does The Herald think the opinions of a crap actress should have any relevance to it’s dwindling readership? Newspapers are often called tomorrows fish and chip wrapper, The Herald should be yesterday’s.

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  8. MT_Tinman (3,322 comments) says:

    The day the law died in NZ.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11287123

    I know this was debated last night but it does seem to be the most serious issue in NZ today.

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  9. MT_Tinman (3,322 comments) says:

    Tarquin North , I can’t see your problem.

    If you don’t want to read Lawless (I agree with your description by the way) don’t.

    Better still don’t buy the NZ Herald and advise any advertisers you know of why you made the decision.

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  10. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    “……..prevent him succeeding to the throne”.

    So the murri’s who appoint the “king” won’t know of the case because no conviction was recorded?

    Pull the other one.

    As pointed out yesterday the no conviction recorded is a convention for the wealthy and /or influential to keep their children from facing the consequences of their own actions.

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  11. dirty harry (530 comments) says:

    People should be marching in the streets over this Tinman..justice in this country is one big fuck up. The same judge is the idiot who let the pedo comedian off trying to shag his young daughter.

    Milkmike…you need to find some friends and get out more..

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  12. Gulag1917 (1,092 comments) says:

    Ron Paul slams the left over Hobby Lobby: “Wants” and “rights” are two different things
    http://rare.us/story/ron-paul-slams-the-left-over-hobby-lobby-wants-and-rights-are-two-different-things/

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  13. Southern Raider (1,777 comments) says:

    Seems a complete crock when the white man is blamed for all the ills of Maori and we pump millions into assisting them, yet the Maori leadership (very loose term) does nothing to actually draw a line in the sand and make it clear what isn’t acceptable.

    Having the Maori heir let off for what anyone else would have been convicted for is a complete joke and displays why nothing will change for Maori in the next 100 years.

    Imagine if JK’s son had have been in this situation and Max got let off due to his fathers position in society?

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  14. Harriet (5,201 comments) says:

    It doesn’t say what you future king does for a job.

    What’s the bet the public’s funding him more than the dole. Probaly working in a ‘trust’.

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  15. Paulus (2,712 comments) says:

    Interesting to see that the three top staff at Mfat Protocol Division are women.
    One is an Ambassador designate.
    Umm.

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  16. dirty harry (530 comments) says:

    Probably same as his old man..truck driver. Fuck me what a joke.

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  17. dirty harry (530 comments) says:

    How do you complain officially about ridiculous judgments as in this maori boy who’s been let off burg charges?

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  18. Manolo (14,179 comments) says:

    The truck driver, a.k.a. the Maori king, needs to improve his parenting skills. His wayward son got “lucky” this time.

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  19. wreck1080 (4,001 comments) says:

    Regardless of whether the boy got a conviction or not — he should not be given the maori king title because he did things any normal person would have been convicted of.

    Moral corruption at its ugliest.

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  20. Tarquin North (404 comments) says:

    Hiya Tinman, agree but addiction is a horrible thing and I have to admit I do like the puzzles. Apart from that the company pays for it.

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  21. Yvette (2,763 comments) says:

    The fact Paki had been on bail for the drink driving incident when he carried out the burglary and theft was “an aggravating factor” he said, which separated him from his three co-accused.

    Paki’s friends — Te Ahorangi Totorewa, 20, Hamuera Wipoha Pugh, 19, and Raa Ngaru Smith, 18 — were all discharged without conviction in Gisborne District Court on Monday over the March burglary and theft incident.

    And left off the more serious offender means his lesser criminal friends can’t be convicted
    See – one law for all

    If Paki, who blew a reading almost double the legal adult alcohol level, drink drives again but kills someone, is the judge complicit?

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  22. Manolo (14,179 comments) says:

    This clown does not stand a chance against stephieboy’s hero:
    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/211227-biden-dont-forget-about-me

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  23. stephieboy (3,535 comments) says:

    Manolo , at least Joe is pretty level headed unlike these crazy two ,

    Like father, like son: Rand and Ron’s dark vision,

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2013/07/18/like-father-like-son-rand-and-rons-dark-vision/

    plus,

    http://theweek.com/article/index/203140/is-rand-paul-crazy

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  24. Kiwi Dave (97 comments) says:

    Manolo @ 9.02 on parenting skills.
    And the Herald reports that Paki will become a father in September. Let’s hope that the support now being given to him is not only effective, but also enduring; otherwise, we can expect a repeat of this 19 years from now.

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  25. Maggy Wassilieff (492 comments) says:

    @ Harriet… Korotangi Paki was a student at Gisborne’s Toihoukura School of Maori Visual Art & Design at the time of his offences.
    http://www.waateanews.com/Waatea+News.html?story_id=Njg5OA==

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  26. stephieboy (3,535 comments) says:

    kowtow (7,435 comments) says:
    July 4th, 2014 at 8:11 am

    I just wonder if the victims of the terrible crime were Black might be a spanner in the works for you.?

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  27. Komata (1,220 comments) says:

    Re: The ‘King’s’ son

    Sadly, based-upon casual observation, and the fact that he is no stranger to the Justice system (although hopefully I will be proven wrong), it is probable that, at some future date, Mr. Paki will once again grace the accused’s benches. If that should happen, one has to wonder under what feeble pretence he will be ‘let off’ again.

    Evidently one mustn’t rock the boat, tell the truth, or ‘disturb the natives'; especially one who has ‘connections’ to unrecognised ‘royalty’.

    As others have correctly pointed-out, ‘influence and future ‘position’ tops ‘Justice’ every time.

    One has to wonder what ‘gifts’ could be coming the Magistrate’s way at Christmas….

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  28. holysheet (474 comments) says:

    In the mid 70’s I worked on the Huntly power station build. Joe Paki (the maori kings old man) was the union delegate. Never met such a useless fat bastard in all my life. He would swan around and do fuck all all day. I guess like father, like son, like grand son.

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  29. flipper (4,332 comments) says:

    An “off topic” subject, but I suspect of interest to many.

    Ever thought about, or been ambushed, by the cost of motor vehicle repairs?

    A Wellington friend suffered a modern car gear box problem – keeps dropping out of drive after 10-20 mins running. The 3L Honda Accord is just out of warranty. He took it back to the Wellington Honda dealer. Answer: “We will need to remove, check and repair/replace the automatic gearbox”.

    Cost Estimate of 2-0 hours labour at $118 per hr plus GST = $135.70 = Labour Est of $2714. That will be in addition to the cost of new parts/repairs/oil etc.

    Mind boggling!

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  30. RightNow (7,015 comments) says:

    Antarctic Sea Ice is at a record high, but you know it’s warming real fast down there, and we must believe that warming leads to more ice…
    http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png

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  31. Komata (1,220 comments) says:

    Flipper

    Thanks; it’s not too surprising. I’ve been ‘done’ by another Wellington garage along similar lines, although for a different make of car.

    BTW: You might remember the chirpy little early Honda (NZ) advert (albeit for the Honda 50 scooter) with the punchline ‘Hop on a Honda’?

    Your friend’s ‘experience’ would seem to to indicate that, sadly, unless large sums of money exchange hands, the punchline no longer applies.

    Another illusion shattered…

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  32. stephieboy (3,535 comments) says:

    flipper, according to a car dealer I spoke to when considering an option on a Honda Jazz for my wife he advised strongly against. Honda’s he told me can be hugely expensive to repair if the auto l transmission fails. There not known for their reliability. Of course there are many Hondas that don’t give problems but beware.!
    If an AA member should ring their advisory otherwise consider a claim under the Consumer’s Guarantees Act .
    BTW I opted for a Toyota Yaris. Excellant peace of mind choice.

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  33. RightNow (7,015 comments) says:

    @flipper – the friend should consider whether the gearbox has lasted a reasonable length of time, regardless of the warranty period.
    The Consumer Guarantees Act is quite clear that goods must be “durable – last a reasonable time”
    http://www.consumeraffairs.govt.nz/for-consumers/law/consumer-guarantees-act/guarantees-for-goods

    The friend may still have recourse and for that amount of money I’d say it’s worth checking it out.
    http://www.consumeraffairs.govt.nz/for-consumers/law/consumer-guarantees-act/got-a-problem-with-goods

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  34. Jack5 (5,286 comments) says:

    Canadian Diattima (Dita) di Boni, wife of TV reporter Ali Ikram, continues the Hooerald’s multilculturalism campaign today with a column in which she laments: New Zealand’s friendship with America, NZ’s not having open doors for the world’s refugees, and NZ’s policy on and attitudes to Israel.

    Interestingly, her column is in the business section of the Hooerald web site.

    Di Boni has surprisingly Leftist views for a person who works as a business reporter.

    She seems to have have open doors in NZ’s MSM for her views, often popping up on Radio NZ.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11282483

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  35. Yvette (2,763 comments) says:

    Komata – it is probable that, at some future date, Mr. Paki will once again grace the accused’s benches. If that should happen, one has to wonder under what feeble pretence he will be ‘let off’ again.

    The burglary and theft were apparently second offences –

    … Paki had been on bail for the drink driving incident when he carried out the burglary and theft

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  36. Komata (1,220 comments) says:

    Yvette

    Exactly my point. He’s been there twice (at least) and a pattern seems to be emerging.

    As I said, I hope I’m wrong but….

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  37. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    RightNow (6,597 comments) says:
    July 4th, 2014 at 10:08 am

    You do know that antarctica is a continent don’t you?
    The continent of Antarctica is losing ice at a increasing rate.
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2014GL060111/abstract

    Abstract

    We use 3 years of Cryosat-2 radar altimeter data to develop the first comprehensive assessment of Antarctic ice sheet elevation change. This new data set provides near-continuous (96%) coverage of the entire continent, extending to within 215 km of the South Pole and leading to a fivefold increase in the sampling of coastal regions where the vast majority of all ice losses occur. Between 2010 and 2013, West Antarctica, East Antarctica, and the Antarctic Peninsula changed in mass by −134 ± 27, −3 ± 36, and −23 ± 18 Gt yr−1, respectively. In West Antarctica, signals of imbalance are present in areas that were poorly surveyed by past missions, contributing additional losses that bring altimeter observations closer to estimates based on other geodetic techniques. However, the average rate of ice thinning in West Antarctica has also continued to rise, and mass losses from this sector are now 31% greater than over the period 2005–2010.

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  38. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    MT

    “The day the law died in NZ.”

    Not at all, this was the day that the law treated the son of a prominent Maori exactly the way they treat the sons of prominent non Maori.

    As much as I detest the judges ruling it is at least consistent, the son of a well to do Maori got cut the same slack at those of well to do white people, that is indeed one rule for all in action.

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  39. lilman (974 comments) says:

    Sorry guys you got this one badly wrong.

    This decision is the correct one,the Maori kings son has a right to do this.

    Where are all those people who said LORD LUCAN could disregard the rules and express his Human Rights and do as he pleases when HE decided not to get a haircut.
    The king’s son had a RIGHT to disregard the rules.
    It was his RIGHT to B/Enter that residence.
    It was his RIGHT to drive drunk.

    It wasnt his fault,he was expressing himself because you don’t really need to follow the rules.
    Plus it would have been a racist decision if he was held accountable and Lucan wasnt.

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  40. Redbaiter (10,468 comments) says:

    “the law treated the son of a prominent Maori exactly the way they treat the sons of prominent non Maori.”

    And an example of the latter would be?

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  41. fernglas (199 comments) says:

    It’s the offending while on bail that tips it over from a legitimate discharge without conviction to a case where a conviction should have been entered, and which differentiates it from his mates. I seem to recall the Judge who dealt with the co-offenders saying they didn’t qualify for a s104 Sentencing Act discharge, and so discharged them in some other manner I still don’t understand. So if they didn’t qualify, then the only reason this kid did was because he is the second son of the Maori King, a largely ceremonial position amongst a limited number of Maori, and one which isn’t handed down from father to son anyway. Do the Police have the nads to appeal, or would that be seen as racist and politically divisive?

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  42. macdee (47 comments) says:

    Al Qaeda operatives in Yemen including NZer killed in drone strike, with possible GCSB involvement, outrage!!

    Threats to commercial air travel emanating out of Al Qaeda operatives run out of Yemen probably identified by western intelligence agencies, silence!!

    Maybe Dita di Boni should comment (see Jack5 above)

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  43. Lance (2,719 comments) says:

    Interesting about the Honda
    We had a rust point come through under the car just outside warrantee. The dealer agreed it was a manufacturing fault and the entire section effected was replaced free of charge.

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  44. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    “And an example of the latter would be?”

    If you cast your mind back a few years to the Dunedin Student riots (well mini riots in fairness), very few if any of the students arrested were convicted of anything lest it damage their future career prospects.

    Now, before you launch into one of your tiresome and repetitive “prog scum rants” let me state for the record that I do not agree with the Maori Kings son being discharged without conviction, nor as it happens do I agree with the student rioters being discharged without conviction. What I do agree with is one rule for all, the case of the Maori Kings son is a perfect example of the discretion of the courts being applied equally. While you may not like the ruling for purely racist reasons it is at least consistent, it is as I have already said an example of one law for all.

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  45. mikenmild (12,443 comments) says:

    I should have thought it was pretty unexceptional for someone to receive a discharge without conviction on their first time before the court.

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  46. Harriet (5,201 comments) says:

    fernglas#

    Yep. Has no respect for the law – committed crimes of dishonesty while on bail.

    Dishonesty is taken seriously buy the police as it shows a deviant and narssisitic mindset. Victims don’t matter to much to these people.

    Yet the judge runs with the ‘alcohol is the major contributing factor’….wtf?………youthful exerberance and drinking is no excuse for stealing private property, or for breaking the trust of the court and society by breaking bail conditions.

    More so for a future King!

    The Judge should have given him a verbal stripdown. Instead, every maori will now expect their legal aid lawyer to get the same for them.

    And they will – ‘future entitlements’ is now a sentancing precedent. Previously it was only future ‘ambitions’ – as in the case of law students coming before the courts.

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  47. Redbaiter (10,468 comments) says:

    Dunedin students?

    Pffft.. may even have been Maori.

    So you can’t even come up with one example?

    Pretty bad look for one who professes to believe answers to questions are so important.

    But since when have you ever wirtten anything on here that wasn’t worthless bluster that would not stand up to even the slightest logical scrutiny?

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  48. Redbaiter (10,468 comments) says:

    “I should have thought it was pretty unexceptional for someone to receive a discharge without conviction on their first time before the court.”

    For those type of crimes?

    Provide an example.

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  49. dirty harry (530 comments) says:

    Thats because you are a pillick mike.

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  50. mikenmild (12,443 comments) says:

    Here are a few examples:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/10070251/Drink-driver-in-rare-escape-from-conviction
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/court/7230229/Drink-drive-trainee-pilot-discharged
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8562217/No-conviction-for-Vic-phone-thief
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/5555711/Comedian-discharged-over-sex-act-on-daughter
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/6965743/Student-who-imported-explicit-dvds-discharged

    I’m sure some time with Google would bring up many more cases.

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  51. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    Worrying.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/486666/Race-to-find-invisible-bomber

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  52. dime (10,222 comments) says:

    milky – lol

    Link 1 – “A young foreign student has joined an exclusive club of drink-drivers who have left court without a conviction.” so no burglary and theft to go with it? 1 charge not 3?

    Link 2 – “A trainee pilot was yesterday discharged without a conviction for drink-driving in Gore after a judge said the consequences of a conviction would have been dire.” so no burglary and theft to go with it? 1 charge not 3?

    Link 3 – “A man who stole a cellphone accidentally left behind in a Victoria University toilet by a doctoral student has been discharged without conviction.” so no burglary and drink driving to go with it?

    Link 4 – The comedian ended up being convicted

    Link 5 – the dude imported cartoon porn??? not really the same as burglary, theft and drink driving.

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  53. dime (10,222 comments) says:

    Bruv – i suspect youre right. we wonder why we have issues in this country when you can break into a house, steal shit and drink drive without penalty

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  54. Redbaiter (10,468 comments) says:

    “I’m sure some time with Google would bring up many more cases.”

    Not one of your examples in in any way comparable with a young man being excused conviction for burglary and theft and drink driving on race based reasons or more importantly, because of the claimed status of his father.

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  55. RightNow (7,015 comments) says:

    griff: “You do know that antarctica is a continent don’t you?”

    Yes. It’s also spelt with a capital A. And my comment was “Antarctic Sea Ice is at a record high”.
    Note the spelling, without the extra ‘a’ at the end.

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  56. dirty harry (530 comments) says:

    Trouble is , in Nil Ziland we have got to the stage ( actually a long time ago ) where there is no accountability for ones actions.
    No self responsibility. If it feels good , do it. If its wrong , don’t worry..there is no right or wrong.

    Ive said it once and I’ll say it again..reap what you sow and the coming harvest is going to be bumper.

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  57. Nukuleka (405 comments) says:

    I scoured The Press this morning for a report of the Maori King’s son and his court case. Not mentioned as far as I can see. Is The Press deliberately ignoring this matter for pc reasons, I wonder. Were it John Key’s son, wow it would be headline news on the front page.

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  58. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Oh to be a Murri!

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  59. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Why get excited about the Antarctic sea ice yet ignore the fact we are having recording warmth both locally and globally right now ?
    answer… because you are deluding your self :lol:
    wingnuts and their delusions. https://data.aad.gov.au/analysis/crc/eceawiki/files/delamare1997.pdf

    Abrupt mid-twentieth-centurydecline in Antarctic sea-iceextent from whaling recordsWilliam K. de la MareAustralian Antarctic Division, Department of the Environment,Sport and Territories, Channel Highway, Kingston, Tasmania 7050, Australia
    ………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
    A decline in Antarctic sea-ice extent is a commonly predicted
    effect of a warming climate. Direct global estimates of the
    Antarctic sea-ice cover from satellite observations, only possible
    since the 1970s1–4
    , have shown no clear trends. Comparisons1
    between satellite observations and ice-edge charts obtainedfrom early ship records5
    suggest that sea-ice extent in the 1970swas less than during the 1930s, an indication supported by limited
    regional observations6. But these observations have been regardedas inconclusive, owing to the limited spatial and temporal scope ofthe early records2. A significant data source has, however, been overlooked. The southern limit of whaling was constrained by seaice, and since 1931 whaling records have been collected for everywhale caught7, giving a circumpolar coverage from spring toautumn until 1987. Here, an analysis of these catch recordsindicates that, averaged over October to April, the Antarctic summer sea-ice edge has moved southwards by 2.8of latitude between the mid 1950s and early 1970s. This suggests a decline inthe area covered by sea ice of some 25%

    also see
    http://www.pages.unibe.ch/download/docs/newsletter/2013-1/PAGESnews_2013_1-30-31-Gersonde-De-Vernal.pdf

    25% decline before the satellite record started against a 3%? increase since :lol:
    Clutching at straws to bolster your delusions right now or just reading to many ignorant wingnut sites ?

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  60. dirty harry (530 comments) says:

    Here ya go

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10229216/Maori-Kings-son-avoids-conviction

    check out the photo..he looks like a neanderthal

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  61. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    Why would having a conviction (rather than done some crap) exclude someone from becoming a king? Don’t they make up their own rules of succession?

    It sort of seems like they are saying he can be a tosser as long as he’s not a convicted tosser.

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  62. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    Bedwetter.

    It is no surprise to me that a man of your advanced years and diminishing mental capacity cannot remember the Dunedin Student riots of a few years back.
    That is but one example, if you cared to look (and we all know you don’t just in case your fucked up view of the world is proven wrong) you will find plenty of other examples.

    Or, we could both save ourselves a lot of time if you just admitted that you are a racist prick who does not think that the law should apply equally between Maori and non Maori.

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  63. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    This thread has proven to be more informative than one could every have hoped for. While the hot topic seems to be that the Moari Kings son (who is on the face of it, a thug and low life) has escaped conviction it has also had the effect of showing that some of the so called “balanced” or “fair and reasonable” contributors to this site are in fact naked racists.

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  64. dime (10,222 comments) says:

    Bruv – 2006?

    “Police arrested 30 people in the Castle St area, mainly for disorderly behaviour, where 13 fires broke out in under four hours, forcing a fire engine to remain stationed in the street.”

    disorderly behavior isnt exactly burglary, theft and drink driving.

    Its his burg charge that offends me the most. what a piece of shit.

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  65. dime (10,222 comments) says:

    Dime was curious as to why the Prince didnt get diversion.. turns out what he did was too serious to be considered.

    “Other categories of offences are serious enough in nature to be automatically considered not appropriate, including:

    burglary or dishonesty offences
    violent offences including family violence offences
    sexual offences or offences with sexual overtones
    serious drug offences
    traffic offences which carry a mandatory minimum disqualification
    offences for breaching a court order.”

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  66. Dom Knots (155 comments) says:

    Well said, bruv. And more particularly a couple of glaring examples like kowtow and igm who apparently are so comfortable in that racism that they use this place like their living rooms and call people ‘murri’s’. Perhaps they should consider that maori people may use this blogsite as well as themselves and not be so disgustingly unconscious in how they conduct affairs.

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  67. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    TO: NAT-INT-PARL
    FROM: Team-Key-war-room

    RE: STRATEGY UPDATE #412

    Everything was going swimmingly, and then this. I’m sorry, Muzz, but aren’t you meant to be the micro-managing maniac who insisted on choosing the colour of the uniforms for Rugby World Cup volunteers? With all due respect, the only reasonable conclusion is you’ve been overwhelmed by your constituency workload. We might just have a solution there. A spot of democratic immunity in East Coast Bays, if you take my meaning.

    From No ‘J’ in #TeamKey: the strategy emails leaked

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  68. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    A couple more.

    FROM: LAB-CHIEF-STAFF
    TO: LAB-CAUCUS-LOYAL

    FW: RE: FW: RE: RE: RE: RE: But that’s not our position, is it?

    Still on the lookout for a tweetbook hashtag, team. The frontrunner at the moment is #tehapuocunliffehopechangeforabetteraotearoanewzealand. Or #TameKey. #TeamMoa is not going to fly, #TeamTrev. Do you see how I just turned that into a joke. It’s such a joke, this revive the extinct bird thing, ha! Ha ha ha! Ha, you see, here we are laughing, not bothered at all, not distracted, good old Trevor, what a dag, and here we are grinning like we just stood on a nail, laughing, smiling, losing blood, can’t breathe, nurse.

    Matt

    And…

    FROM: GRN-TEAM-LDRS
    TO: GRN-CAMPAIGN-COMMUNITY

    RE: constructive politics

    It’s, like, totally getting us down, all the vitriol in contemporary New Zealand politics. So unawesome. Why can’t we all get along, be constructive, work together, focus on what really matters, save the dolphins, hug and stop being so mean? There’s far too much mud-slinging and name-calling, especially from the loathsome, amoral, cabinet-clubbing crony Muldoonist cretins from Planet Key.

    Arohanui
    Metiruss, #TeamQuinoa

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  69. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    bigot bruv

    as opposed to your balanced comments on all things Christians…..

    bwahahahahaha

    Numb Nuts ; very good at dishing his own brand of racism ,very delicate when it comes to others.Such a petal.

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  70. Elaycee (4,425 comments) says:

    More good news from the Port of Tauranga.

    It is now the Port of choice for many shipping lines… the shift away from Auckland has been gathering momentum for a few years now – special thanks to Gary Parsloe and the Maritime Union.

    So, thank you Gary. My POT shares look good! :D

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/10232315/Port-of-Tauranga-value-seen-higher

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  71. Dom Knots (155 comments) says:

    yeah, you’re good at being a racist in here, kowtow. I know exactly what you are. You’re too gutless to express your racism in a real public forum like a pub so you do it in here, you coward. You’re nothing but a rotten piece of cum shot up against a wall and hatched, petal.

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  72. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    igm (1,307 comments) says:
    July 4th, 2014 at 11:54 am
    Oh to be a Murri!

    I thought you were,your favourte word leecher sounds maori

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  73. dirty harry (530 comments) says:

    Pathetic. Question a piss poor call by a completely out of touch judge, and out come the calls of racist because the offender is a maori. Its not our fuckin fault 9 out of 10 offenders are brown. A facts a fact. In cant be washed over. If they don’t want the spotlight continually shone on them..STAY OUT OF TROUBLE , stop nicking shit , stop killing your offspring, stop offending !

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  74. Dom Knots (155 comments) says:

    i never once made mention of a piss poor call by the judge, harry.

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  75. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    It didn’t take long after the death of Dame te Atairangikaahu for the role that she had conducted with dignity to descend into complete farce, complete with former deputy TV fire reporter Morgan lining up at the Tainui trough as some low rent puppetmeister. Bad luck for the present and prospective incumbents to inherit the wrong side of the family gene pool.

    Until her death, 6 or 7 years ago from memory, that role was generally tolerated at worst with benign indifference by non Maori due, no doubt, to the way in which conducted herself. From day one following her death, this “King” has set about turning himself and the role into an irretrievable laughing stock. Starting with his remarkable pretentions regarding his status, and continuing on through the internal politics, the public buffoonery by his court jester Morgan, and most recently that ridiculous business regarding Prince William’s visit. Tainui should wise up and stop embarrassing themselves by giving this clown the arse.

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  76. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    Numb Nuts

    I’ll leave that 1242 of yours speak for itself.Very eloquent.

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  77. dime (10,222 comments) says:

    Some dude on radio live reckons the prince was let off by the same judge who let the comedian go cause hes funny.

    not sure if thats correct but if it is.. WTF

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  78. dime (10,222 comments) says:

    Radio Live news – labour announce new policy around domestic violence.

    “we are going to put 60 million dollars into a fund”.

    that was it lmao

    money solves everything!!!

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  79. Dom Knots (155 comments) says:

    you’re nervous, kowtow. slow down.

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  80. dime (10,222 comments) says:

    “I don’t often say it – I’m sorry for being a man,” David Cunliffe

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  81. lilman (974 comments) says:

    seriously Cunliffe is very,very challenged,who in god’s name is advising him?

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  82. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    Unfortunately a bad mistake by Cuinliffe. #dejavu

    Apart from that it’s good to see Labour taking the issue of violence seriously. This is their media release:

    Labour will take decisive action on family violence

    DAVID CUNLIFFE | 3 JUL 2014
    Labour will take decisive and far-reaching action to address violence against women and children, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe.

    “On average 35 New Zealanders are killed by a member of their family every year, and one in three women experience intimate partner violence. Last year 20,000 women and children sought the help of Women’s Refuge.

    “This is totally unacceptable. It has a devastating physical and emotional impact on the lives of a great many of our women and children.

    “Labour will work towards its elimination. Today we are announcing a package of measures for immediate action, as well as other longer term solutions.

    “We will adopt an Action Plan to Eliminate Violence Against Women and Children.

    “We will provide $60 million over four years for family and sexual violence to support front-line services, primary prevention and education.

    “We will reform the justice system to provide real justice to survivors while upholding the right to be presumed innocent.

    “We will review prosecution guidelines and the operation of protection orders.

    “As Labour Party Leader, I am determined that we address the causes and consequences of family violence.

    “But this cannot be achieved in a piecemeal manner or without a unified effort across government agencies and NGOs.

    “That is why our action plan will be led from within the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet,’’ David Cunliffe said.

    Full policy details.

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  83. Yvette (2,763 comments) says:

    A young Maori man, an expectant father, could as well kill his yet unborn child in a drink driving incident, having just received no penalty for such behaviour, for driving under a little less than twice the legal limit,
    as well as committing theft and burglary.

    “I think that is a recognition of the uniqueness of this country. Maori tikanga, Maori culture has been recognised today by a very senior court” – Tuku Morgan, a former MP and the Maori King’s representative.

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  84. Jack5 (5,286 comments) says:

    Big Bruv said at 10.57 of the Maori King’s son’s discharge without conviction:

    …it is as I have already said an example of one law for all.

    I don’t agree. If he hadn’t been the Maori King’s son, the lad would have been convicted. Similarly with the students in the “mini-riot” in Dunedin that Big Bruv quotes. In that case, it’s unlikely there would have been discharges if those charged were apprentice tradies. In fact, would convictions have hindered any careers but for those in the law? If not, that might mean the law was looking after its own future brethren and brethrenesses.

    Big Bruv seems to imply the Dunedin students were non-Maori. How does he know that? There are heaps of part-Maori and Maori students. You’re not making a racist assumption, are you Big Bruv?

    On the Maori King’s son discharge, there have been interesting comments today by the Maori former MP Dover Samuels and by an Auckland academic who specialises in the interaction between NZ criminal law and Maori customs and traditions.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/248920/samuels-criticises-ruling-on-king's-son

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  85. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    kowtow

    I am glad that I so easily offend you given your sick religious beliefs.

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  86. dime (10,222 comments) says:

    “one in three women experience intimate partner violence.” tui ad

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  87. wikiriwhis business (4,209 comments) says:

    Our Credit System a Form of Counterfeiting-Gordon Long

    http://usawatchdog.com/iraq-about-us-
    Will the crisis in Iraq get out of control? Macroeconomist Gordon Long says, “I happen to think that it probably will because we are not resolving the basic problems. But the big core issue here is the petrodollar. It’s not about oil and it’s not about gas. It’s about what it is bought and paid for in, and that is U.S. dollars. There is no one that trades any one of those products in anything other than U.S. dollars . . . right now, as of today. . . . As long as the trading continues in U.S. dollars, all those dollars will stay out there and not come back to the United States. When it comes back to the United States, you will have hyperinflation. These conflicts need to be seen in the context of they are really going to force groups to trade in other than the U.S dollar. That’s the problem because they are going to come back. They are going to say I have a U.S. dollar, and I am going to make a claim on it. That’s what is going to drive the hyperinflation. That’s what is going to drive the currency crisis. This is about trading in the U.S. dollar. . . . We are looking at spring 2015 to Q3. There is trouble there.”

    Gordon Long says, “We’re not really running a capitalist system. We are running a credit system. Instead of using savings, we are using credit. Credit, the way we are doing it now, is really a form of counterfeiting. If you look at the $72 trillion shadow banking system that we have operating right now, that is generating this credit.

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  88. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Dum knuts

    You’re nothing but a rotten piece of cum shot up against a wall and hatched,

    You have given me great delight in your imaginative descriptor for our shinning example of inbreed conservonutter quality’s.

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  89. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    bigot bollocks

    No ,not offended. I’m simply pointing out how hilarious you are talking about ‘balance”,fair and reasonable….when you’re an out and out loon bigot,as that last post proves……

    ….it’s lovely though that you’ve found a friend in Numb Nuts,another loon.

    bwahahahahaha.

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  90. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    Dime

    “Question a piss poor call by a completely out of touch judge, and out come the calls of racist because the offender is a maori. Its not our fuckin fault 9 out of 10 offenders are brown”

    I fear you have missed my point entirely Dime. I happen to agree with you when it comes to Maori crime stats, it is an indictment on Moaridom (what a stupid word) that their people are committing 9 out of ten crimes. I detest being told by Maori apologists that it is a community problem, it has nothing to do with the community it is a Maori problem and so far their “leaders” see fit to do nothing about it.

    My point here Dime is that when these brown kids are standing in the dock they deserve to be treated the same way as white kids. If that means a conviction then great, if they means prison then fantastic. What must happen is that they are treated the same as every other kid irrespective of their colour.

    If we did really have a justice system that was colour blind them a shit load more Tristan’s, Benjamin’s and Jonathans would be banged up with the Rangi’s and Whetu’s of this world.

    I guess the moral of this story is to be careful of what you wish for, I suspect in many cases (Kowtow being one example) that the “One rule for all chant” is really code for “Lock up Maoris”

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  91. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    greiff

    Imaginative?

    About as imaginative as man made global warming.

    Personally, I’d call Numb Nuts crude.But then you’re in good company with him and bigot blouse.

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  92. labrator (1,851 comments) says:

    @yvette Was about to post the same.

    Incredible that drink driving, theft and burglary is apparently “Māori tikanga & culture” according to Tuku Morgan. It will be interesting to see if this is rejected by other Iwi.

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  93. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    Jack5

    Have I touched a racist nerve with you?, is your conscience struggling with the cold realisation that your racism has been exposed?

    “. Similarly with the students in the “mini-riot” in Dunedin that Big Bruv quotes. In that case, it’s unlikely there would have been discharges if those charged were apprentice tradies”

    What you are suggesting is even worse, so if you are a young person attending OU and doing a law degree you will escape conviction because of your intended career, however if you are builder, butcher or plumber you will not.

    And please, you are really getting desperate if you think that rioting OU students were anything other than predominantly white.

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  94. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    “(Kowtow being one example) that the “One rule for all chant” is really code for “Lock up Maoris”’

    Absolute bollocks, again.

    Read what I wrote at830. “The wealthy and influential”.Nothing to do with race.

    Arsehole.

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  95. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    Kowtow

    Did you see that another priest has been arrested for child sexual abuse?

    http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2014/06/29/second-mexican-catholic-priest-arrested-in-week-on-sexual-abuse-suspicion/

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  96. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    God wouldn’t waste good catholic come would he kowtow?

    Its few and far between for days that I see a new insult.
    After all the best you can manage is a years old twist of my nom de plume “grief” because that’s what I give you …..EH….

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  97. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    kowtow

    So let me get this right, you don’t read what I write, and you are not offended by it, nor does it get under your skin.

    Yet for some reason you still have to respond with an abusive comment and highlight a comment I have made.

    Nah…I simply don’t believe you kowtow.

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  98. Jack5 (5,286 comments) says:

    On family violence, at whose core likes the imbalance in physique between males and females.

    Rather than millions more of disguised subsidy to the TV channels and other media through propaganda campaigns, why not look at something different.

    A modest approach – teach all young women a martial art, boxing, or a specially designed self defence course, with some all-in defence tactics, including use of household items as defence aids.

    A truly radical approach – facilitate people owning and carrying pistols, and through clubs and courses, train young women in their use and encourage their ownership. Just as the famous 1873 Army Colt .45 was known as “the equaliser”, pistols today would balance the physique disproportion between most husbands and wives or unmarried equivalents, and greatly discourage male-on-female violence. It would also give women a fighting chance in such murder-suicide attacks as the recent one in Dunedin which saw a woman lose her children.

    It would be interesting to know whether in apartheid South Africa, where women had ready access to pistols, there was less abuse from male husbands and partners.

    Of women shooters I have been acquainted with over the years, I don’t know of any who have been assaulted by male partners.

    I am aware there is almost zero chance of NZ taking this ultimate self-defence road, but that doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be effective.

    On the question of physique imbalance, it would be interesting to know whether, in homosexual couples, which should on average have less physique imbalance, whether there is less violence, or if the level is similar to that for heterosexuals, whether injuries are lesser.

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  99. dime (10,222 comments) says:

    “Dime

    “Question a piss poor call by a completely out of touch judge, and out come the calls of racist because the offender is a maori. Its not our fuckin fault 9 out of 10 offenders are brown””

    i didnt say that. Dirty Harry did.

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  100. David Garrett (7,701 comments) says:

    Breadking news chaps: David Cunliffe has just apologized for being a man at a symposium for Womens’ Refuges…FFS, I thought the cringing white liberals “apologising” for what their distant relatives might or might not have done to the Special People 150 years ago were bad enough..

    But apologizing for being a man because – so he said – “most” family violence is committed by men? The man is a total idiot…

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  101. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    dime

    “i didnt say that. Dirty Harry did.”

    My apologies then.

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  102. Don the Kiwi (1,821 comments) says:

    “big bruv (12,904 comments) says:
    July 4th, 2014 at 1:55 pm
    Kowtow

    Did you see that another priest has been arrested for child sexual abuse?”

    Yes, its great to see that this pervert has been caught. For too long a very few homosexual priests hid their crimes and caused the hundreds of thousandes of good faithful priests to be tarred with the “pervert” brush – as big bigot gleefully points out.

    So thank you for your diligent attention and obsessive passtime bruv. We’ll keep you on as the poofter priest purveyor, because there are so few of them – you’d have no trouble finding the pervert schoolteachers, or pervert police because there’s so many of them. :-)

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  103. Don the Kiwi (1,821 comments) says:

    dime.

    A week or two back you were considering buying a new set of wheels. Have you decided yet?

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  104. David Garrett (7,701 comments) says:

    Sorry guys…I see I am a bit belated…not so breaking news…He’s still a farking idiot…

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  105. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    Don the denier

    ” We’ll keep you on as the heterosexual paedophile priest purveyor, because there are so few of them ”

    Clearly somebody has to do it, the catholic church and its many apologists prefer to deny they exist . I also have to challenge you on your assertion that there are “so few of them”. The number of arrests and the even larger number of cover ups (many at the hands of the Vatican) prove your comment to be, at the least incorrect and at the worst a blatant lie.

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  106. Jack5 (5,286 comments) says:

    Big Bruv (1.53) continues to shout racist or racism at any who question the non-conviction of the Maori King’s son.

    Do you accuse Dover Samuels and Khylee Quince of being racist (see link in my 1.38 post)?

    I note in your 1.53 post you have retreated to the position of claiming “rioting” students in Dunedin were “predominantly white”. So you are a racist, Big Bruv. You judge those before the courts by their race.

    A typical, Leftist hypocrite.

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  107. dime (10,222 comments) says:

    Don – I keep coming back to the Audi A5. The 32. Quattro. I have a feeling its not the best “drivers car” out there but goddam it looks good!

    I’ll also drive a bmw 335i coupe just in case. 3 ltr twin turbo. Sounds fun.

    Flirted with a 370Z but havent had a chance to sit in one. Im about 4 foot wide in the shoulders.. i think the car will be too small. friends have also uttered the words “youll look like a homosexual” which doesnt help!

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  108. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    Jack5

    I accuse Dover Samuels of being stupid. Luckily for me there is a mountain of evidence in support.

    “I note in your 1.53 post you have retreated to the position of claiming “rioting” students in Dunedin were “predominantly white”. ”

    It seems I must also include you in the same class as Dover. I have never claimed the rioters to be exclusively white. Mind you, the very fact that you went searching for this only proves my point in that you are not dealing well with having your naked racism pointed out.

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  109. Ross12 (1,488 comments) says:

    Do the Greens have a competition in their office , each day to see who can send out the highest number of Press Releases for the day ???? They don’t seem to do much else.

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  110. Jack5 (5,286 comments) says:

    Big bruv at 2.19:

    I accuse Dover Samuels of being stupid.

    You mean, Big Bruv, he disagrees with you. Silly Dover.

    What is a Naked Racist? In your views, Big Bruv, is that anyone who doesn’t agree Maori are the master race? You throw the word “racism” around so much your views have to be very suspect.

    Like the guys who go around suggesting people are gay.

    Look in the mirror, you Leftist biggot!

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  111. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    No one denies it exists.

    The point has been made time and time over by other posters .It exists ,but is not exclusive to Catholic priests.

    It is only the bigots (bigot bruv et al) who seem to want to point the finger ,exclusively at the RC church. “balanced, fair and reasonable” indeed.

    Perhaps that’s the point of the other post today.Entertainers, police officers,doctors, politicians,teachers,even parents and other family members have all been cited.But to bigot bruv it seems nothing to see here ,let’s obsess about those filthy left footers and their “sick religious beliefs”.

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  112. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    kowtow.

    You really are an apologist for the filthy Catholic church. Nobody denies that paedophiles exist in other organisations. The issue is kowtow that no other organisation has gone to the lengths to deny their crimes or to hide the perpetrators of those crimes.

    The Catholic church was well aware of what was going on, Joseph Ratzinger himself was fully briefed yet even he decided that a cover up was better than a full investigation.

    I am not sure how you will cope kowtow when the full extent of this child abuse does come to light, perhaps then you might start to doubt the validity of your church and the very existence of your god.

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  113. wikiriwhis business (4,209 comments) says:

    “you might start to doubt the validity of your church and the very existence of your god.”

    The relevance of the Pope is more the point.

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  114. fernglas (199 comments) says:

    Cunliffe apologises for being a man. Why? He can’t help it. If he was a violent wife-beater I could understand an apology, but do I take this to mean that he thinks all men should be sorry for being men? Is the Labour party perhaps going to announce a policy to prevent men, perhaps with posters and TV ads? I was a man but I personned up and got help? The only advantage in Cunliffe ceasing to be a man is that he couldn’t continue to be such a complete rod walloper.

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  115. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Dime
    Go with Audi.
    get the diesel.
    it’ll pull better than a catholic priest after a day with the choir boys.
    BMW’s say try hard.

    :lol:
    poor kowtow

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  116. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    “you might start to doubt the validity of your church and the very existence of your god.”

    Attack the church for it’s mistakes is fine for debate etc. Why extend that to an assault on someones’ personal belief in the existence of a deity?

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  117. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    “it’ll pull better than a catholic priest after a day with the choir boys.”

    Is that necessary in a motoring discussion?

    Bigot.

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  118. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    Dime

    Considered a Merc?

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  119. Scott Chris (6,178 comments) says:

    Question a piss poor call by a completely out of touch judge, and out come the calls of racist

    So saying “Check him out – he looks like a neanderthal” isn’t racist Dirty Harriet?

    Retard.

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  120. Don the Kiwi (1,821 comments) says:

    “I am not sure how you will cope kowtow when the full extent of this child abuse does come to light, perhaps then you might start to doubt the validity of your church and the very existence of your god.”

    Take a grip big bigot.

    Our Faith does not depend on the crimes – sins – of the very few that break their vows and live totally contrary to the way they are supposed to – they make their choice, and they will be dealt with accordingly – even if not in this life.

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  121. mikenmild (12,443 comments) says:

    ‘they will be dealt with accordingly – even if not in this life.’
    Do you think the expectation of divine retribution encouraged the church to go easy on offenders ‘in this life’?

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  122. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    “Do you think the expectation of divine retribution encouraged the church to go easy on offenders ‘in this life’?”

    Clearly that is what Joseph Ratzinger had in mind.

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  123. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Its not the individual priest’s that is so offensive its the church covering up and so enabling the abuse to continue unchecked for decades.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/01/the-truth-is-that-child-abuse-in-australia-has-a-distinctively-catholic-character

    The truth is that child abuse in Australia has a distinctively Catholic character

    The royal commission into child abuse’s interim report has found Catholic institutions were the commonest sites for abuse. The church must urgently come to terms with the facts.

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  124. Don the Kiwi (1,821 comments) says:

    “Don – I keep coming back to the Audi A5. The 32. Quattro. I have a feeling its not the best “drivers car” out there but goddam it looks good!”

    Agree. A wealthy supermarket owner in my neighbourhood has a white one – what a machine.

    One of my son’s mates – a long haul airline pilot – recently bought the big V10 Audi SUV – what a grunter. :-)

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  125. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    Bigot bruv says

    “The issue is kowtow that no other organisation has gone to the lengths to deny their crimes or to hide the perpetrators of those crimes.”

    Really? No other organisation?Like Westminster and the Met?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2680060/Tebbit-piles-pressure-Brittan-VIP-abusers-Tory-grandee-joins-chorus-demanding-explanation-missing-dossier-detailing-Westminster-paedophile-ring.html

    I know.It was ratzinger’s fault.

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  126. Jack5 (5,286 comments) says:

    Surely “big bruv” isn’t the troll that Dad 4 Justice used to call “Big Blouse” and be always challenging to a fist fight?

    If so, I regret feeding the unhinged fuckwit.

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  127. Manolo (14,179 comments) says:

    Silent T‘s words:
    Speaking to a room of mostly women in Auckland today, Cunliffe spoke of the “bullshit, deep-seated sexism” still prevalent in New Zealand.

    “It needs to stop,” he said .

    “I don’t often say it – I’m sorry for being a man,” Cunliffe said, “because family and sexual violence is overwhelmingly perpetrated by men.”

    I can almost see P.G. bowled over by this and voting Labour. :-)

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  128. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    kowtow

    Shocking that case might be one it demonstrates my point perfectly. Now that it is out in the open it will be fully investigated. Had it been the Catholic church all sorts of political levers would be pulled to keep is as quiet as possible.

    However, seeing as I have awoken in you a new sense of outrage at the sexual abuse of the Catholic church then have a look at this and be totally outraged.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases

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  129. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    Nothing kept quiet.Figures presented to the UN.

    Keep lying, bigot.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/06/vatican-figures-disciplined-priests-sex-abuse

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  130. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    Here’s another one the pope hid…….not.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/27/vatican-defrocked-ambassador-dominican-republic

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  131. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    Kowtow.

    Did you know that at least 50% of the Waffen-SS were Catholic?.

    And also, take a stab at the number of Wafen-SS who where excommunicated from the Catholic church at the end of the war?

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  132. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    Cheap shot Manolo, and catch up.

    Cunliffe’s intent was fine but his lack of experience on the issue of violence shows, he made a major mistake expressing himself like that. As soon as I saw it I knew it would demolish what was a very important policy announcement.

    I’m grateful and not sorry for being a man – but I’ll do whatever I can to reduce violence in our society.

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  133. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    By the same token one could as easily ask;

    Did you know that at least 50 % of the Waffen SS were Lutheran?

    And the point being?

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  134. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    kowtow

    Do you really think that the Church has been honest with us over this?, given the church’s history of bare faced lies then only the most sycophantic of its slavish followers would believe that there are not hundreds more paedophilic priests out there.

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  135. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    kowtow

    So you are avoiding the question?

    OK, let me tell you the total number of Waffen-SS who were excommunicated from the Catholic church at the end of the war……..That number kowtow was one!

    One individual out of the thousands who committed atrocities, out of the hundreds who sent Jews to the gas chamber.

    Now kowtow, care to guess why that one individual was excommunicated from the Catholic church?

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  136. Redbaiter (10,468 comments) says:

    Guys, Big Bigot is a nutter. Like Narsekissa and Grief. All suffering from a very bad case of OCD.

    You really cannot afford to waste time and bandy words with the obviously deranged.

    Life is too short.

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  137. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    bigot bruv

    “us”?

    You are the one who is being dishonest with ‘us”. Posing as someone who cares about paedophilia when all you’re interested in is catholic bashing.Evidenced by your line…

    “…. sick religious beliefs”

    and ….Look there’s a nazi!

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  138. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    How many Lutherans were disciplined?

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  139. Jack5 (5,286 comments) says:

    Big Blouse (3.09) runs aground on Godwin’s Law.

    But he is ignorant here, as usual. The SS was anti-Christian. The authority on this dastardly organisation, Heinz Hohne, says it deliberately invoked neo-paganism, and for example, and banned church marriages. Despite this many members remained church members. Hohne cites figures saying that in one division two-thirds of members remained church members, but of these only 23.7 per cent were Catholics.

    If there’s one thing worse than a troll, it’s an ignorant troll.

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  140. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    kowtow.

    No idea?

    Ok I will tell you. The only member of the Waffen-SS who was excommunicated from the Catholic Church was Dr Joseph Goebbels.

    Now, you might well think that was a good thing, obviously he was excommunicated for his crimes against his fellow man, or the number of atrocities committed by him or on his direct orders, that alone must be worthy of excommunication.

    But no, Goebbels was not excommunicated for his war crimes, Goebbels was excommunicated for the unpardonable sin of marrying a Protestant.

    Only the most fervent apologist for the Catholic church could even consider defending an organisation like that.

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  141. dime (10,222 comments) says:

    Don – the A5 looks awesome in white eh! im talking the coupe of course.

    Bruv – which Merc? they are all a bit ugly nowadays arent they?

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  142. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    http://joyfulpapist.wordpress.com/2010/04/19/excommunicating-the-nazis/

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  143. Don the Kiwi (1,821 comments) says:

    dime.

    Yeah, the A5 coupe – looks grunty, but refined and classy.

    Poor old bruv.
    So bitter and enraged that, when talking about the Catholic Church and anything remotely religious, he can’t even quote something without totally distorting the facts, and so rendering whatever he says as irrelevant and pointless.

    He gets himself so wound up, that he is like the Woozle Bird – who flies around in ever diminishing circles – till he disappears up his own fundamental orifice; Head-up Bruv. :-)

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  144. Jack5 (5,286 comments) says:

    Big Bruv:

    As the afternoon wears on, and the time comes for you to take your pills and return into the secure ward, I would like to thank you for your demonstration into a disturbed mind. You have been most uninhibited.

    Some other posters may support me in hoping that medical science soon makes a breakthrough that will return you to rationality, and I genuinely wish that you get into the early trial of such a remedy.

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  145. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    kowtow

    Do you really expect anybody to believe that website?

    The Vatican ordered that Hitler’s birthday was to be celebrated right up until the end of the war. Even after the conclusion of the way the same Vatican colluded with the Nazi’s and enabled them to escape via the “rat lines”.

    I know that you Catholics are keen to reinvent history but thankfully there are enough people out here who will never allow them to get away with it.

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  146. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    Jack5

    Let’s do a deal then. If you stop telling lies about the Catholic Church I will stop telling the truth about the Catholic church.

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  147. Jack5 (5,286 comments) says:

    Big Bruv:

    For fuck’s sake just swallow your pills!

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  148. Don the Kiwi (1,821 comments) says:

    ‘I know that you Catholics are keen to reinvent history but thankfully there are enough people out here who will never allow them to get away with it.’

    Bwahaahahhahaahahaha :lol: :lol:

    Go take your meds bruv, and we’ll see you much happier.

    As a word of advice, keep off religious topics – you’re so bigotted that it makes you Big Dick – even if you are a bruv.

    Stick to the other mundane things – like politics and so on – you actually make some sense there, and I even sometimes agree with you. (Oops – shouldn’t have said that – it may drive bruv away from Kiwiblog completely, having me agree with him)

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  149. Gulag1917 (1,092 comments) says:

    World War 4
    Atheists [most are really agnostics] v Christianity

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  150. Tauhei Notts (1,688 comments) says:

    I’ve just read a review of the new book about Hillary Clinton.
    It says “she has the heart of road kill on hot sunny day; warm, soft and overpowering.
    The book is difficult to pick up and easy to put down.”

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  151. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Gulag1917 (566 comments) says:
    Don’t project your stupid delusions on the faithless.
    Many of us are atheists who consider your collective god delusions an artifact of a superstitious ignorant stone age past.

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  152. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    David Cunliffe has just apologized for being a man at a symposium for Womens’ Refuges…

    A pity that his apology was based upon a false premise.

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  153. Gulag1917 (1,092 comments) says:

    Griff
    Not projecting any delusions, you seem to be reading something into something which is not there. Why the nervousness and sensitivity when anything like the word believe is used.

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  154. All_on_Red (1,751 comments) says:

    Griff’s religion is global warming. Where’s our 6 degrees of warming griff. It’s bloody cold.
    Must be that cold wind coming up from Antarctica due to all that extra ice!

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  155. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Gulag1917 (567 comments) says:
    July 4th, 2014 at 4:00 pm

    World War 4
    Atheists [most are really agnostics] v Christianity

    Post tripe like this and wonder why atheists are insulted ?
    idiot with a metal problem
    There is hope for a pharmaceutical cure for the god delusion some time in the future meantime education is the the most effective method of riding your mental sickness from society.

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  156. Gulag1917 (1,092 comments) says:

    Psychiatric care for those who are not atheists eh. Real tolerant and reasonable.

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  157. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    All_on_Red (1,269 comments) says:
    July 4th, 2014 at 4:16 pm
    Still making up straw men I see all in red.
    Where did you get 6 c warming from….. your arse ?
    Wingnuts are good at that seeing as they spend most of their time with their heads up there.
    My problem is a faith in science yours is a faith in oil industry shrills and wing nut blogs .

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  158. Zapper (1,048 comments) says:

    The majority of the top chefs in the world are men. I don’t say it often* – everyone get down on your knees and thank me.

    *Cunliffe doesn’t say sorry for being a man “often”. How many times has he made this lame apology?

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  159. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Gulag1917 (568 comments) says:
    who said care? I said a pharmaceutical cure
    You know a pill for your madness a little like Prozac to make the scary fear of mortality go away.

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  160. All_on_Red (1,751 comments) says:

    Indeed your problem is that you do have a “faith” in science . That’s why it’s your religion. Science is not faith based. It’s based on fact.
    ” idiot with a metal problem”.And you call Gulag an idiot and needing education. Lol.

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  161. Gulag1917 (1,092 comments) says:

    Relax Griff

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  162. All_on_Red (1,751 comments) says:

    Hey Gulag, griff thinks you might need one of these.
    http://www.aucklandscrapmetal.co.nz

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  163. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    Welcome to our brave new progressive world.

    Two men have a baby via a ‘gestational carrier”.Fark how Orwellian is that?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2679534/Love-no-sexual-preference-The-tearful-moment-two-dads-meet-newborn-son-time.html#comments

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  164. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    All in red

    As already pointed out to another idiot wingnut repeating the latest from some denial blog today the sea ice extent is nowhere near historic levels.Sea ice around Antarctica declined by 25% between 1930 and the seventies. As this fact was published in the nineties one wonders where you get your nonsense from?
    By the way there is absolutely no sea ice on Antarctica, its a continent which is losing land ice ( the stuff that causes sea levels to rise) at a rapidly increasing rate.

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  165. stigie (1,456 comments) says:

    Silent T saying he is sorry to the Women’s Refuge for being a man. What a complete tosser this man is !`

    Would he do the same down at his local rugby club rooms ? I think not.

    And to think this man wants to run the country….God fucking help us !!

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  166. Jack5 (5,286 comments) says:

    On re-reading Big Blouse’s manic posts I note, and can mention since he early in the thread invoked Goodwin:

    Did you know that at least 50% of the Waffen-SS were Catholic

    Big Blouse, can you please give the source for this claim?

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  167. hj (7,182 comments) says:

    Not a good look for His Majesty with or without conviction.

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  168. All_on_Red (1,751 comments) says:

    Doh, the sea ice is around Antarctica. No one said it’s ON Antarctica. Sheesh what a moron. Cryosphere reports 2,112 million km2 more sea ice around Antarctica than normal.Thats an area bigger than Greenland. This is measured from 1979.
    Since we are warming from the Little Ice Age your historic levels comment is pretty stupid.
    Good night Griff- keep the faith.

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  169. Fletch (6,532 comments) says:

    The Jimmy Saville abuse case much worse than police supposed. Now they have uncovered a secret wall in a room above a record shop with lists of conquests. Includes names of other BBC personnel and celebrities. Looks like they were trying to one-up one another.

    Stunned officers chipped away plaster at a ­record shop wall and unveiled a hidden list of names thought to belong to young victims of Jimmy Savile.

    The vile register, which contained the names, ages and a disgusting ratings system seemingly used to mark their sexual performance, was scrawled on a secret wall buried behind layers of wallpaper and plaster.

    A source revealed: “The wall looked like something straight out of a horror movie. There were lists and lists of names of the victims – it’s a shocking discovery.”

    The list of girls and young women is thought to identify ­hundreds of potential new victims abused at the hands of the BBC DJ and it raised fears Savile was at the centre of a celebrity paedophile ring.

    Police believe the major breakthrough could lead to further arrests – including other well-known celebrities.

    The wall also appeared to contain the names of girls the sick group hoped to target in the future.

    Officers who raided the shop in ­Greater Manchester after a tip-off will now try to trace the alleged victims.

    A source said the raid had provided the clearest evidence yet to show Savile was part of a larger group of monsters.

    The source said: “Savile appeared to be using the room above the record store as some kind of secret HQ to plan his vile acts.

    “There appears to be some suggestion that he was not acting alone either.

    “There were others who appear to be involved, several others, some of whom are household names.”

    As the specialist officers ripped away the layers from the wall, the names of up to 200 new ­people they believe he and accomplices attacked or planned to
    attack during the 1980s and 1990s were ­gradually revealed.

    At least one other well-known BBC figure and several celebrities are now being linked to the probe. Suspects face being quizzed in the coming weeks.

    The source added: “Police think there might be hundreds of new female victims that needed to be spoken to as a result of the record shop raid.

    Earlier this year it was suggested there were around 450 victims of Savile’s depraved actions.

    “This looks like an under-estimation. If the evidence on the wall is anything to go by, we could be talking in the region of 650 victims in all. It’s shocking.”

    Criminologist Professor David Wilson from Birmingham City University said the register was a way for the predators to boast about their conquests.

    He said: “In the age before the internet made it possible for paedophiles to ­communicate with each other and write about who they could abuse and the form that abuse may take, they found other methods.

    Paedophiles are constantly evolving ways of communicating.

    “By putting it on a wall they are making it public, but by hiding it, it is private. The public nature is because they are proud of it. It is a boasting system.

    It is a form of saying ‘this is what I’ve done. I’ve done more than you.’

    It’s about them displaying their own sexual success in being able to abuse these children.

    “They also recognise this could lead to arrest, so they had to be careful about their sexual preferences.

    “At the time this was said to have taken place paedophiles used contact magazines and groups of associates to get in touch with each other.

    MORE –
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/jimmy-savile-celeb-arrests-could-2097740

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  170. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2014GL060111/abstract
    https://data.aad.gov.au/analysis/crc/eceawiki/files/delamare1997.pdf
    http://www.pages.unibe.ch/download/docs/newsletter/2013-1/PAGESnews_2013_1-30-31-Gersonde-De-Vernal.pdf
    http://tamino.wordpress.com/2010/10/16/history-of-arctic-and-antarctic-sea-ice-part-1/

    Abrupt mid-twentieth-century decline in Antarctic sea-ice extent from whaling records

    Stupid is you and your repeated straw man arguments and faith in unqualified wing nuts when it comes to science all in red.

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  171. Jack5 (5,286 comments) says:

    Muslims are working German prisons recruiting for their religion, reports Der Spiegel

    This has been going on in NZ prisons some time, without note being taken by the MSM.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/islamists-seek-support-in-german-prisons-a-978720.html

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  172. Yvette (2,763 comments) says:

    19-year-old Korotangi Paki’s lawyer argued that a conviction could hinder his ability to take over the throne.

    From his Facebook page –
    But seig hail
    All these chingy eyed c nts

    Should this illiterate Maori moron ever be King?

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  173. Nukuleka (405 comments) says:

    Bit late in the day to be posting this but surely NZ’s most beloved grandmother Maggie Barry must realise that by not reporting Rolf Harris to the police for assault when he laid his hand on her thigh during an interview back in the 80s she may inadvertently have enabled him to continue the sexual offending that has resulted in his criminal convictions. Such an incident was either assault or not- and there is little value in her now coming out and making this complaint 30 years after it occurred when she was not prepared to do anything about it at the time.

    I love you Maggie and wish you well in your political career but I think you were and are a bloody fool when it comes to this issue. You were part of the problem and not the solution.

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