Gower asks why Cunliffe is scared of Dotcom?

July 26th, 2014 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

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should forget about fretting over his red scarf and start worrying about the black tracksuit.

Yes, ’s black tracksuit is all over the political scene once again – and Cunliffe is running scared, refusing to rule Internet-Mana out even though voters think he should.

Internet-Mana is on the rise big-time and the Dotcom-boom is hurting Labour.

Cunliffe has left the door open to Labour working with Internet-Mana to form as Government. But the latest 3 News-Reid Research poll shows a majority of voters want Labour to rule them out.

Voters were asked:

Should Labour work with Internet Mana to form a Government?

  • NO, rule them out: 59 percent
  • YES, work with them: 29 percent
  • Don’t know: 12 percent

Even a majority of Labour voters want Cunliffe to rule out a coalition with Internet-Mana.

  • NO, rule them out: 47%
  • YES, work with them: 40%
  • Don’t know: 13%

A lot of Labour supporters would rather Labour lose, than have Dotcom having his proxies in the Government.

So the rise of Internet-Mana has created a big problem for Labour. Dotcom and Harawira are love-hate figures.

The reality is, with centre voters, they are probably more hated than loved.

There are lots of centre voters who don’t like Dotcom and lots who don’t like Harawira and a fairly decent core who don’t like both of them. The refusal to rule out Internet-Mana is hurting Labour with centre voters.

Hone Harawira, Annette Sykes, Laila Harre. Kim Dotcom and John Minto. It’s enough to send a lot of people running.

Cunliffe’s refusal to rule them out just gives them further credibility and as it rises, Internet-Mana will probably end up taking votes off Labour too.

As its own popularity falls, Labour cannot do without Internet-Mana’s numbers.

That’s why Cunliffe is scared of Internet Mana – he’s too scared to rule them out.

The rise of Internet-Mana tells us a lot about the fall of Labour.  

If the result is that Labour is in a position to form a Government with the Greens, NZ First and Internet-Mana, it will be fascinating to observe!

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34 Responses to “Gower asks why Cunliffe is scared of Dotcom?”

  1. CharlieBrown (1,027 comments) says:

    “A lot of Labour supporters would rather Labour lose, than have Dotcom having his proxies in the Government.”

    Why the hell did the 3 news poll not ask that question to labour and green voters? When it comes down to it I would imagine they would rather see silent t in the PM’s seat with KDC rather than John Key.

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  2. Igotta Numbum (465 comments) says:

    If he ruled them out specifically, he’d find a lot of support coming back to Labour as those looking at IMP would realise they’d gain nothing being in opposition.

    But oh well, it’s his call and if he wants to screw things up further then kudos to him.

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  3. Tinshed (170 comments) says:

    If the result is that Labour is in a position to form a Government with the Greens, NZ First and Internet-Mana, it will be fascinating to observe!

    Maybe, if you are in Australia it would be “fascinating”. For those of us here, it would be a nightmare beyond imagination.

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  4. stever (26 comments) says:

    Where does he get the idea that fatboys and racist boys party are on the rise . I thought they rocketed up to a heady 2 percent and havnt moved since ( I will concide that I’ve done the same amount of research into this as the angry communist gower does )
    I still find it amusing that musicians flock to him when every cent he’s every made was by stealing off them .

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  5. JC (969 comments) says:

    I should think DC is more scared of Kelvin Davis than IMP. Davis in caucus or cabinet would be a walking repudiation of just about everything Labour has become over the last few years and a personal threat to DC because he has leadership qualities.

    JC

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  6. Colville (2,298 comments) says:

    The moment Cun*liffe hints at doing a deal with the kraut voters will flee Labour in droves as a protest to the shit leadership.

    stever. To be fair to the Kraut he has stolen at least as much from movie makers, software compainies and pornographers as musicians!

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  7. SW (241 comments) says:

    Is key equally scared to rule out Colin Craig? Most centre voters think he is a nut bar

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  8. SPC (5,770 comments) says:

    It’s the same as National going with NZF.

    Where are the polls on that?

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  9. radvad (772 comments) says:

    They have hardly rocketed up. Mana was always around the 1% long before the Krim got his knickers in a twist. IP has only added around another 1%.

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  10. Reid (16,632 comments) says:

    You know it’s serious when someone like Gower advocates doing something that would significantly endanger Liarbore and the general left’s chance of ridding us of, as he sees it, the hated and hate-filled tories.

    Normally the left is quite happy to sup with the devil himself if it means getting their incompetent hands on the levers of power, but not this time.

    For the first time ever in history, the left isn’t prepared, it seems, to do just anything at all, to get their way.

    I’m shocked.

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  11. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,914 comments) says:

    Such a call would require the quality of leadership. That’s why it hasn’t been made.

    They are all cowards.

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  12. SPC (5,770 comments) says:

    Reid, maybe its the ABC faction that would rather lose than have someone the party chose as leader succeed.

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  13. SPC (5,770 comments) says:

    Quality leadership would have excluded electorate deals in Ohariu and Epsom and East Coast Bays and continuing to rule out NZF after doing their best to drive its leader out of parliament.

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  14. holysheet (424 comments) says:

    Silent T cannot make his mind up which way he should go on this.
    Until he decides which would be the least damaging, when he then says sorry again for making whatever decision he makes.

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  15. wiseowl (928 comments) says:

    “Most centre voters think he is a nut bar”.
    Yes because they don’t recognise what the National Party used to represent.
    Principles.

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  16. edhunter (552 comments) says:

    The whole country would be better served & it’d raise DC’s credibility if he came out & said MIP wont even be in parliament come the next election because Labour is throwing all it’s effort behind Kelvin to win the seat off Hone.
    Sadly that’s not going to happen unless there’s a wholesale clean out of the “War Room”.

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  17. Brian Smaller (4,024 comments) says:

    They have hardly rocketed up. Mana was always around the 1% long before the Krim got his knickers in a twist. IP has only added around another 1%.

    It is the narrative that counts. Gower is doing his best to run that line.

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  18. AJP (21 comments) says:

    Has anyone ever considered that DC and KDC may have done a deal way back ( secret trust donor)?
    It seems like that KDC got Cunliffe by the balls somehow.

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  19. Reid (16,632 comments) says:

    Reid, maybe its the ABC faction that would rather lose than have someone the party chose as leader succeed.

    Yes they’ve all settled in for the next time. I feel a bit sorry for Cunliffe. While his personality has brought on his misfortunes and there is no other reason for it, he was only doing what he’d learned worked as a kid, as a young man then as a mature man. And now he’s finding none of those coping techniques are worth a damn.

    He’s a very capable guy, I’ll be interested to see what he turns his hand to next. I would not be surprised to see him in the UN, not with Hulun and certainly not courtesy of Hulun, but maybe doing something like Shearer did when he was there.

    I just hope he doesn’t turn bitter about it and will recognise the person responsible is not his detractors but, like ultimately for all of us, the man in the mirror.

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  20. stever (26 comments) says:

    Colville . Oh yes I know , but they don’t seem to line up and want to play at his little get togethers or let him play his drivel at their concerts !

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  21. SPC (5,770 comments) says:

    Reid, one of his problems is the lack of experience in leadership. He was a diplomat, then working in a business strategy role, then an MP – no real leadership practice.

    And yes for all his ambition (he ended up in a faction ridden environment where he did not really flourish – being dependent on the wider party for his role) he is too inclined to the apologetic retreat to command confidence.

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  22. s.russell (1,646 comments) says:

    IMP offers Cunliffe a sliver of a chance at becoming PM. (Only a sliver mind you.) Long term though, IMP is a millstone around Labour’s neck, a parasitical growth that will suck blood from the Left’s political fortunes. The smart thing to do for Labour’s long term benefit is to to everything possible to nip this thing in the bud. Back Davis to the hilt, rule out any deal. Harawira is vulnerable now because his sell-out deal with the devil is fresh in everyone’s minds. In 2017 it will be too late. But what does C care about that? He won’t be leading Labour then if Labour loses. So C will prevaricate, try to have his cake and eat it too, and cling to his slim and only chance of power.

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  23. Longknives (4,858 comments) says:

    Interesting- I just saw a poster in Grey Lynn for the Internet Party’s “Party” (It was during the week)
    And I thought Hone claimed to be ‘Anti- Drugs’?

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  24. Reid (16,632 comments) says:

    Good point about the lack of leadership SPC. That’s true isn’t it, I hadn’t thought about it like that but you’re right.

    Proves doesn’t it it’s one thing to be a consultant, another to be a leader, even if you do know the theory.

    I actually wonder if he would have done better if he’d been in the conservative camp all his life.

    The left, at least post-Hulun Liarbore’s left, are all about the issues he’s focused on, but they’re such execrable creatures they won’t give him credit for that. It’s almost like being a white male ex-business consultant he can’t earn their approval or trust no matter what he does. Proving of course the left don’t have a heart like they claim to, since if they did they would show their support for him. But it’s like they can’t forgive him for being what he is, even though they said they would by electing him in the first place.

    He wouldn’t have faced that in the conservative camp he could have just been his extremely capable self and we would have given him credit for that and then he wouldn’t have had to lie depending on the audience because he would know he had a solid base behind him who allowed, nay expected, him to say what he thought, rather than what he thought his current audience wanted to hear.

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  25. SPC (5,770 comments) says:

    Reid, the last place to learn leadership was pandering to all the factions in the Labour party caucus.

    Eventually the new leadership selection system will bed in and it will become easier for future party leaders. The old caucus remnant may have to go first.

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  26. marcw (254 comments) says:

    Is it too late to turn Kelvin Davis ‘blue’. It seems to me he would have a great chance of being the Northern electorate Maori MP if he ran for National rather than being undermined by Labour. He certainly seems to have better principles than most in the IMP or Labour.

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  27. David Garrett (7,523 comments) says:

    Everyone talks of the ABC faction…but never actually identifies their members…apart from the obvious: Shearer and Goff…Would somebody be kind enough to list them?

    NB “all the Labour caucus” is cheating….

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  28. stigie (1,310 comments) says:

    @DG
    Hipkins, King, Mallard….

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  29. Liberty (269 comments) says:

    Its the same with National. It would be better to lose. Then do a deal with Winston and the Moonbat.

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  30. OneTrack (3,218 comments) says:

    Tinshed – “Maybe, if you are in Australia it would be “fascinating”. For those of us here, it would be a nightmare beyond imagination.”

    If the nightmare comes to fruition, there will be a lot more in Australia.

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  31. OneTrack (3,218 comments) says:

    SPC –

    It’s the same as Labour going with NZF.

    Where are the polls on that?

    fify

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  32. OneTrack (3,218 comments) says:

    Reid – “For the first time ever in history, the left isn’t prepared, it seems, to do just anything at all, to get their way.”

    But we don’t have enough information to make that supposition. Cunliffe isn’t saying what he will or won’t do and, honestly, who would believe him if he did. Yeah. Nah.

    Don’t worry, if Cunliffe gets the opportunity post Election, he will make any deal with the devil, DotCom and/or Winston.

    So anybody that is happy with DotCom, Winston and the Greens should vote Labour. Because that is what they will get.

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  33. Viking2 (11,553 comments) says:

    After the last election I commented that this was the beginning of the end for the Labour party. They have no abiding reason to exist so this charade will continue to play out.
    Like the Unions who also have almost no reason to exist this will play a little longer and the Game of end Games will be what happens to the very many assets and Trusts and the funds therefrom.

    With dwindling numbers there may be some wealthy people get to cleanup.

    That’s why I remain a TECT customer. Less and less customers sharing greater and greater dividends. Basic dividend up $25.00 this year again.

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  34. ChardonnayGuy (1,211 comments) says:

    Is it Dotcom so much as Harre? Although Laila Harre was a first term Clark administration Cabinet Minister for the Alliance, one suspects that the Internet Party leader’s role in the ensuing self-destruction of Labour’s first coalition partner, the Alliance, may have raised questions of party stability and consequent governmental stability. Harawira may be seen as “too radical” in other quarters. In addition, there are questions about Mana/Internet’s policy development, costings, ultimate internal coalition stability and other issues that suggest that Cunliffe’s prudence may be well-founded.

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