Hide on Harre’s hypocrisy

July 21st, 2014 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

wrote at NBR:

I am worried about Laila Harré: having dropped any pretence of principle she now finds hypocrisy addictive. There’s no other explanation. She should have OD’d by now, but no, she just keeps loading it up.

Her latest dose is to assert property rights in Green Party policy.

That’s right. That’s her response to criticism of her announcing Green Party policy as hers just hours ahead of the Green’s release. Ms Harré was working for the Greens. She then decamped to lead the Internet Party taking Green Party policy with her. No wonder the Greens are little annoyed in their touchy-feely, caring way.

But as she explains it, “Look, I contributed huge intellectual property to the Green Party in the 15 months that I spent working for them.” So what’s theirs is also hers.

That’s a bellyful of hypocrisy. Remember this is the Internet Party. Her party’s founder, funder, paymaster and visionary is fighting to avoid facing copyright infringement charges. Intellectual property doesn’t mean that much to Mr Dotcom.

For his proxy leader to be defending herself by spuriously claiming intellectual property is breathtaking hypocrisy. Intellectual property matters to Ms Harré – but only when she’s claiming it as hers. No one else’s appears to matter. …

Mr Dotcom is not the top 1% that Ms Harré complains about. He’s more like the top 0.0001%. But he’s okay because his money is useful to her.

Oh and here she is the hard-core, all-controlling, lefty pushing for the internet. It’s not the central committee that produced the internet: it’s capitalism. Internet commerce is a fine example of anarchy. We don’t need or want central control. The hypocrisy of the Left pushing for internet freedom is gobsmacking.

The Left oppose freedom and their system of economic control is the internet’s antithesis.

I think it is fair to conclude that Rodney will not be voting for the Mana-Internet Party.

It got me thinking that if we had a true Internet Party, Rodney would be a very good leader of it – someone who is passionate about fighting state control.

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27 Responses to “Hide on Harre’s hypocrisy”

  1. thePeoplesFlag (242 comments) says:

    “…It got me thinking that if we had a true Internet Party, Rodney would be a very good leader of it – someone who is passionate about fighting state control…”

    Unintentional satire. Gotta love it.

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  2. Nostalgia-NZ (5,093 comments) says:

    ‘So what’s theirs is also hers.’

    That’s a beaut, goes along with ‘what yours is mine, and what’s mine is mine alone.’

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  3. Drp (8 comments) says:

    got me thinking
    what is their policy on taxing internet based transactions?

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  4. redqueen (552 comments) says:

    It does make the news about them far more entertaining: socialists supposedly in favour of a capitalist anarchy. They believe in ‘freedom’, they believe in ‘choice’, they believe in ‘high skilled jobs’, but they don’t actually want what this invariably entails. However, there is a certain sadistic enjoyment, on my part, in seeing such horrible hypocrisy, day in and out, from a bunch of sell outs.

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  5. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    ‘if we had a true Internet Party, Rodney would be a very good leader of it’
    Not enough perks in it for him.

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  6. Yogibear (360 comments) says:

    Don’t the Greens support the progressive nationalisation of private property rights?

    Harre’s theft was a great chance for them to lead by example.

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  7. doggone7 (769 comments) says:

    Rodney Hide is a discredited politician so it is reasonable for him to be quoted on hypocrisy in would-be politicians.

    Of course if he were offering the contrary view to what he offers here, he would be called a discredited, hypocritical ex-MP with views not worth listening to and he would be treated as a pariah. His views would not see the light of day especially in reputable places except as a source of derision.

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  8. peterwn (3,238 comments) says:

    She has a law degree and should know better. Policy she developed while working for the Green Party belongs to them. The Green Party should have insisted on a restraint of trade clause to stop her waka hopping prior to an election. It would have stopped her working for (and being paid by) the Internet Party but would not have stopped her standing as a candidate for them.

    doggone7 – I would rate Rodney as a far better and more sincere politician than Laila.

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  9. Nigel Kearney (969 comments) says:

    I have a law degree and I think it’s unclear, to say the least, whether policy she developed while working for the Green party belongs to them. Certainly there is no protection if she rewrote the same ideas using different wording.

    Just think for a minute about what it would mean if policy produced by one party could not legally be copied by another party. I could make a list of all the ways I can think of to screw up the country and start a party advocating all of them so that nobody else could do so.

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  10. RightNow (6,966 comments) says:

    Harre has only pirated the Green policies. The Greens still actually have their policies, some other party merely has a copy of them. And so it’s not theft.

    I think Internet-Mana would be better branded as the Pirate Internet Mana Party, with Dotcom as PIMP Daddy.

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  11. Psycho Milt (2,404 comments) says:

    It got me thinking that if we had a true Internet Party, Rodney would be a very good leader of it…

    Hide writes “It’s not the central committee that produced the internet: it’s capitalism.” Do you really think someone with this depth of ignorance about the internet would make a good leader of an Internet Party?

    But as she explains it, “Look, I contributed huge intellectual property to the Green Party in the 15 months that I spent working for them.” So what’s theirs is also hers.

    Did he apply this level of irrationalism to his leadership of ACT? Hmm – actually, thinking back on it, he probably did. Harré’s point, that the Greens can hardly complain about her using stuff she picked up while working with them if they’re using stuff they picked up while working with her, is a perfectly valid one.

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  12. s.russell (1,590 comments) says:

    Rodney Hide often writes excellent stuff. But he gets carried away into a false argument here. Harre has stolen the Greens policy. There is nothing hypocritical about this: stealing other people’s intellectual property is what Dotcom is all about.

    I also agree with Nigel (above). Policy ideas cannot and should not be copyright! In fact the more people who copy them the better! Indeed, if National were to copy all Act’s policies, Rodney would be dancing in the street with joy. I seem to recall him boasting of instances were Act ideas have become mainstream.

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  13. Yogibear (360 comments) says:

    Good also to see Harre absorbing the ethos of pop management commonly found in airport bookshops……… “there is no monopoly on ‘good ideas'”

    Personally, I think the more appropriate phrase for these “joint”* policies is “we are both fluent in the universal language of Stupid”

    (*trademark Nandor Tanzocs)

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  14. Judith (8,531 comments) says:

    I think this is a ridiculous issue.

    Policies are not, and should not be ‘intellectual property’.

    I have a policy that I shouldn’t throw my rubbish over the neighbouring fence. IMO that’s a good policy – and I would encourage all to adopt the same policy.

    If something is good and reasonable, and the country would be better because of it – then I would expect all parties to have similar policy – and no single party to restrict it, simply because they came up with it first.

    This whole desperation thing gets more ludicrous by the minute.

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  15. Kimble (4,443 comments) says:

    Hide writes “It’s not the central committee that produced the internet: it’s capitalism.” Do you really think someone with this depth of ignorance about the internet would make a good leader of an Internet Party?

    Hide immediately went on to say “Internet commerce is a fine example of anarchy.”

    So, Milt, why dont you go ahead and tell us all how the government created Google, Amazon, Netflix, Hulu, eBay, TradeMe, Facebook, Twitter, etc.

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  16. Kimble (4,443 comments) says:

    Harré’s point, that the Greens can hardly complain about her using stuff she picked up while working with them if they’re using stuff they picked up while working with her, is a perfectly valid one.

    Harre is a lefty, she is going to have lefty policies.

    The fact that she was working for another party up until the time when she whored herself out to Kim Dotcom, would tend to indicate that she shared their belief in their policies.

    Of course, having another party agree with you isn’t normally something to get upset about. (Unless it is Winston Peters, in which case you should force yourself to strongly reconsider your position.)

    What would upset a party looking to build an election campaign, is having that other party launch the same policy, grab the headlines, and steal your voters.

    It would be especially upsetting if the only reason that other party was able to do that was that the whore of a leader was working WITH your team just a short time ago, and merely copied and pasted your collective effort on to their letterhead.

    The final straw would be when that other party further exploited privileged INSIDE KNOWLEDGE about the proposed timing of your press release, to make it appear as if they thought of it first.

    Being first counts for a lot. It indicates that you are the one who came up with the idea. And as the creator, people can expect you to be a thoughtful and innovative legislator.

    Thats the political reality. And THATS what the Greens are RIGHTFULLY pissed off about.

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  17. RightNow (6,966 comments) says:

    “THATS what the Greens are RIGHTFULLY pissed off about”

    Delicious isn’t it? The left will eat itself.

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  18. MT_Tinman (3,092 comments) says:

    RightNow (6,632 comments) says:
    July 21st, 2014 at 12:26 pm

    Delicious isn’t it? The left will eat itself.

    After which they’ll expect the right to pay for fixing their bellyache.

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  19. Psycho Milt (2,404 comments) says:

    So, Milt, why dont you go ahead and tell us all how the government created Google, Amazon, Netflix, Hulu, eBay, TradeMe, Facebook, Twitter, etc.

    That internet commerce, like any other commerce, was developed by commercial enterprises is a well, duh. Hide apparently thinks that internet commerce is the internet, which makes him an ignoramus who’d be a crap choice to head an internet political party.

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  20. RRM (9,770 comments) says:

    The only people who will be voting for Mana/Internet are those who think the Labour Party is too right wing and “just as bad as National”, plus a few thousand ignorant teenagers who will find it “cool” to vote for an oddball party backed by an outspoken bad boy, outsider and gobshite.

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  21. stephieboy (2,656 comments) says:

    Well sai Rodney. I heard the fatuous buffoon telling the latest Internet Mana party gathering of gulls that Mega Uploads was merely like a USB hard drive.

    He conveniently left out naturally the copious copyright infringements going on that was its core business.

    Laila Harré too.!!

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  22. Scott Chris (6,018 comments) says:

    Hide on Harre’s hypocrisy

    Yes, Hide, the perk-rorting perk-buster knows all about hypocrisy.

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  23. doggone7 (769 comments) says:

    peterwn

    “Policy she developed while working for the Green Party belongs to them. The Green Party should have insisted on a restraint of trade clause to stop her waka hopping prior to an election…”

    Restraint of trade provisions obviously would be murky in Harré’s situation. Because it’s politics it seems that most of the fuss is being kicked up by people anti Harré’s party and those anti the Green Party.
    If Rodney is a far more sincere politician than Laila given the colours he showed with his perk busting trick, she is fairly low.

    But then most who seem to be against her for some reason seem to consider she’s a problem for them electorally and so they need to make her into some sort of demon. I can’t think why. She’s not in their party, they don’t belong to the other lot (Greens), and surely the lot of them are no risk to National

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  24. burt (8,189 comments) says:

    I can’t see any downside in allowing Dotcom to run large state internet monopolies, none at all.

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  25. OneTrack (2,970 comments) says:

    “I can’t see any downside in allowing Dotcom to run large state internet monopolies, none at all.”

    What could go wrong :-)

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  26. Reid (16,189 comments) says:

    True ethics and true morality lies not in the Statute books but in everyone’s heart and mind. True ethics and true morality is what one does when other people aren’t looking, when one knows one can get away with it, but one desists for no reason other than one is ethical and moral.

    Harre is a lefty.

    Lefties CLAIM the moral high ground.

    All the time.

    Harre is a role model, to young people, by virtue of her position.

    Harre has betrayed her fellow travellers.

    And she’s not sorry, at all.

    What kind of example is she setting for the IP’s target voters?

    It’s OK to give the fingers just cos you can?

    No?

    So why has she done precisely that, to her fellow travellers?

    If you truly were ethical and moral, you wouldn’t do what she’s done, to your worst enemy.

    It says a lot about the lack of perspicacity of all who will vote for her party that they will choose her over others in their electorate who haven’t displayed such an appalling example.

    It says a lot about the ethics and morality of those who have perspicacity, who don’t excoriate her for what she’s done, in terms of corrupting innocent minds.

    Doesn’t it.

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  27. NeutralObserver (93 comments) says:

    Know I will get downvoted just a small point of correction though. When Rodney says “It’s not the central committee that produced the internet: it’s capitalism” he forgets that actually it was central government – as I recall US DoD with ARPANET culminating with that socialist European CERN with TCP/IP. You know like Velcro and NASA…

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