Mallard still going on about moas

July 13th, 2014 at 7:00 am by David Farrar

The Taranaki Daily News reports:

just can’t let go of his fascination with resurrecting the moa.

Yesterday Inglewood, a town long associated with the extinct flightless bird, came to the attention of the Labour MP.

He was in Taranaki yesterday to talk about sport and recreation, but was fascinated to learn Inglewood was briefly known as Moatown in the mid-1870s.

Last week Mallard caused a ruffle when he told his electorate that breakthroughs in modern science could bring back the species and they could one day roam the hills above Wainuiomata.

And, if the moa was brought back from the dead then Inglewood could be a great place for some to live, he said.

“It may well be that within careful enclosures some of the smaller moa will be there at the time of our grandchildren or great grandchildren,” he said. Not the big ones though, because the farmers in Taranaki might not want the birds near their cattle, he said.

It would be a great tourism market for his district, but Taranaki could cash in on that too.

I love it. Trevor is now going up and down the country talking about Labour’s plans to bring back the moa. Cunliffe will be furious, but can’t do anything about it without causing a public major rift.

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110 Responses to “Mallard still going on about moas”

  1. tvb (4,318 comments) says:

    Mallard thinks he is really talking about the Labour Party.

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  4. big bruv (13,683 comments) says:

    I really don’t think this Moa rubbish has anything to do with trying to undermine Cuntliffe. This is all about Mallard keeping his job. He (Mallard) faces a real challenge this time around, he also knows that if he loses this gig he has no chance at all of every finding work that pays him what he currently earns.

    Mallard is working on the basis that any publicity is good publicity, he could not care less if that upsets Cuntliffe, this is a classic case of it being each man for himself. Mallard will do what ever it takes to keep his job.

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  5. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    “Please supply a link to where bringing back the Moa is a Labour Policy.”

    The link has a name. Trevor. :)

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  6. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    I have no idea what is going through his head. Whether this is about Cunliffe, or keeping his job. But something is going on in that brain of his. He knows this sounds whacky, and after the last Moa talk he gave, he knows how it was recieved by the media and public. So he is up to something. Buggered if I know what.

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  7. Pete George (23,426 comments) says:

    Mallard is near the bottom of the listed Labour camdidates. No mention of moa on hisprofile:

    Trevor Mallard
    MP for Hutt South

    Trevor advocates for the opportunity for all New Zealanders to reach their potential through quality education and good jobs within a high wage high skill economy.

    He holds a racing bike licence, regularly walks his dogs in the Rimutaka Forest Park, watches First XV and club rugby and reads thrillers both through audiobooks and on his iPad for relaxation.

    He worked as an accountant, teacher and rural adult education organiser before his election to Parliament.

    – MP for Hutt South

    – various Ministerial Portfolios including Education and State Services (1999-2005) Sport (1999-2007) Associate Finance (1999-2008)

    – passionate supporter of Hutt causes, including closing legal high shops, batting for Wainuiomata against prejudiced moteliers, and getting the poison out of the Waiwhetu stream.

    – while keen on rugby hasn’t developed a sidestep.

    http://campaign.labour.org.nz/trevor_mallard

    No moa officially but he seems to have developed a fairly nifty own goal.

    Nothing on his Facebook Timeline about moa either. That’s curious because he claims:

    About
    Keen to engage with friends, people from Wainui & Hutt or interested in Hutt stuff, sport or politics. Bias to young people. Experiment in bypassing old media. Personal stuff, cycling and politics but pretty light. Ask questions & make comments.

    He seems to be using old media for his moa campaign.

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  8. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (2,902 comments) says:
    July 13th, 2014 at 7:28 am

    Have you thought that maybe the guy is just interested in the concept that some of our extinct wildlife could be recreated. I believe there are a group of NZ Scientists already working on the prospect, as a hobby.

    It is no different that a person having an interest in Genealogy, History, Military memorabilia or other such historically placed interests.

    I personally find the prospect interesting, especially after watching a doco recently on how easy it would be to recreate the Mammoth. Can you just stop for one minute and think how amazing it would be if you could show your children a real live Mammoth, or Sabre Tooth Tiger?

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  9. tvb (4,318 comments) says:

    National is the greatest political party in NZ. It is the natural party of Government. There has to be something extraordinary to get a Labour Government starting with credible leadership. Mallard’s obsession with the Moa is a Freudian slip on his fruitless search to revive the dying Labour Party. The odd collection of people attracted to Labour and the fractionating of the left is witness to the very strange death of the Labour Party.

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  10. Mobile Michael (440 comments) says:

    Judith – where has David suggested bringing back the Moa is policy? Mallard is delibrately going off message as Cunliffe has publicly said the “Moa is not a goer”. This is about a lack of discipline in Labour with a long serving member (first elected in 1984) appearing to be not supporting the party leader – in fact undermining him by refusing to follow his unambiguous instruction to stop talking about Moa.

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  11. Pete George (23,426 comments) says:

    http://cdn.radiolive.co.nz/radiolive/AM/2014/7/2/49018/moa-mallard-cunliffe.jpg

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  12. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ tvb (4,167 comments) says:
    July 13th, 2014 at 7:39 am

    I can’t really see how Mallard’s interests are much different to Key’s, after all, he appears keen to revive the all but extinct ACT party. Personally I think the Moa would be far more exciting and worthwhile to New Zealand. And then there is Colin Craig, who wants to revive everything and drag us back to the age of the dinosaurs, it appears all our political parties are into bring something dead or almost dead, back to life.

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  13. holysheet (326 comments) says:

    Mallard is doing what all socialists do, look after them selves first.
    I would be very carefull if I was him, the moa is a bigger bird than a mallard.
    By resurecting one species he might hurry the demise of the other.

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  14. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ Mobile Michael (407 comments) says:
    July 13th, 2014 at 7:42 am
    Judith – where has David suggested bringing back the Moa is policy?

    Trevor is now going up and down the country talking about Labour’s plans to bring back the moa.

    This statement is a vast exaggeration, and at no stage has it been suggested that it is part of Labour’s policy/plan to bring back the Moa. Just because Mallard is a Labour MP, doesn’t mean his personal ambitions become part of Labour’s intentions. I realise that National follows absolutely everything that Key does, but that doesn’t follow for everyone else. Most parties allow their members to have at least a small amount of their own thoughts and interests.

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  15. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    “Have you thought that maybe the guy is just interested in the concept that some of our extinct wildlife could be recreated.”

    Yes, given Labours recent poll results, I have no doubt he is interested recreating extinct wildlife.

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  16. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    “And then there is Colin Craig, who wants to revive everything and drag us back to the age of the dinosaurs”

    Could you provide a link to that policy? Like you wanted a link to Labours?

    I guess “vast exaggerations” are ok for you after all! :)

    Cripes Judith, your double standards are impressive!

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  17. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    ShawnLH (2,904 comments) says:
    July 13th, 2014 at 7:53 am
    “And then there is Colin Craig, who wants to revive everything and drag us back to the age of the dinosaurs”

    Could you provide a link to that policy? Like you wanted a link to Labours?

    I am sorry, I don’t believe Colin Craig has any policy. The party he is leader of may have policies, but then I wasn’t referring to them, only to Mr Craig. :P

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  18. Pete George (23,426 comments) says:

    In Labour’s promo shot of MPs at Parliament the mallard chosen seems to be one of the smaller variety that can be patted on the head, rather than a tall dangerous one that could bowl Labour over.

    Spot the Mallard:
    https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/nzlabour/pages/449/features/original/homepage_image_4.jpg

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  19. Akaroa (552 comments) says:

    Judith – (Bless her little cotton socks!) – at 7.38 this fine Sunday morning posted:

    “Can you just stop for one minute and think how amazing it would be if you could show your children a real live Mammoth, or Sabre Tooth Tiger?”

    My response?

    …….Why would it?

    Both were/would be dangerous pests that we’re better off without, thank you very much!

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  20. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (2,904 comments) says:
    July 13th, 2014 at 7:52 am

    They are no where near as extinct as National was in 2002 – now there is an example of something extinct being bought back to life. 21% – 27 seats, and English still an MP, despite his appalling effort – goes to show Shawny, anything can happen in politics.

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  21. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    “but then I wasn’t referring to them, only to Mr Craig.”

    Ah, so vast exaggerations are fine for you, but not for others. Got it.

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  22. Pete George (23,426 comments) says:

    If it was Colin Craig who was promoting the moa resurrection the Conservative Party would be being ridiculed all over MSM and social media.

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  23. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    “They are no where near as extinct as National was in 2002″

    The election hasn’t actually happened yet Judith, just a heads up. Give Cunny time. I have faith in his ability to drag Labour even further down.

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  24. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ Akaroa (526 comments) says:
    July 13th, 2014 at 7:56 am

    Dangerous? Really? To who? They were part of a particular food chain, that broke down due to natural events in nature. If they were created in this day and age, they would be controlled by the species that has made itself superior – humans. The small numbers that would be created would not be an issue. Its ok, you won’t need to have a Sabre Tooth, instead of your moggie.

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  25. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (2,906 comments) says:
    July 13th, 2014 at 8:01 am

    Oh dear Shawny – you don’t learn do you. Sometimes I wonder if your Mommy knows you’re on the computer.

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  26. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    Not a lot, if any, rational thought here Judith. Your tactic seems to be to think the best of anything Labour people say or do, and think the worst of National.

    Thats fine, but lets not pretend this is anything other than your personal, and deeply irrational, hatred of JK.

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  27. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ Pete George (22,541 comments) says:
    July 13th, 2014 at 8:00 am

    I doubt it, I think they’ve already got enough material from Colin Craig to keep them going for sometime.

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  28. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    “Sometimes I wonder if your Mommy knows you’re on the computer.”

    She’s dead.

    Now lets get back to your rabid hypocrisy.

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  29. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (2,907 comments) says:
    July 13th, 2014 at 8:04 am

    Oh dear, POT KETTLE Shawn. And you don’t let your immense hatred of Cunliffe and Labour effect your comments? You are ALWAYS fair and rational in your statements, are you? REALLY? :P you’re a giggle a minute Shawny – does Mommy know you’re out of bed yet?

    BTW – I am actually really interested in the fact that we have developed technology to the point where we may be able to recreate some extinct species. I think it is really exciting that humans have used their immense intelligence to be able to do such a thing. It fascinates me that whilst we are also responsible for the extinction of so many species, we may also be able to be responsible for seeing them recreated.

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  30. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (2,909 comments) says:
    July 13th, 2014 at 8:06 am

    Shawn, you need to look at yourself before you start poking shit at anyone else over hypocrisy. You do the same as everyone else on here, including myself. You support the team you back in every one of your comments, all that are driven from your own immense dislike of Labour and Cunliffe. I have no problem with you doing that – but to suggest that its only others that do it, and that you are some how immune from that, only makes you a bigger hypocrite.

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  31. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    “does Mommy know you’re out of bed yet?”

    Like I said, she’s dead Judith. Give that one a rest.

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  32. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    “And you don’t let your immense hatred of Cunliffe and Labour effect your comments? ”

    I don’t hate Cunliffe at all. I thinks he’s a bit of a drip, but my real issue is his policies and the policies of his party.

    As far as I can tell, your’s is just a purely personal hatred of JK.

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  33. holysheet (326 comments) says:

    Judith, do you ever engage your tiny brain cells before you write?
    You go on about reviving the mammoth and sabre tooth tiger and then go on about humans being responsible for their being extinct.
    It was the changes in world climate that caused their demise. Called an ice age. The world has had a few of these in its history you know. We are overdue for another one now. All geological events that have happened on earth run in cyles. The ice ages run pretty true to form every 110,000 – 120,000 years.

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  34. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ holysheet (252 comments) says:
    July 13th, 2014 at 8:19 am

    I am sorry, where did I say the humans were responsible for the extinction of the Mammoth and Sabre Tooth?

    I said “we are also responsible for the extinction of so many species, we may also be able to be responsible for seeing them recreated.” Which is true when it comes to the Moa.

    And I had also said previous to that when referring to the Mammoth and Tiger – “They were part of a particular food chain, that broke down due to natural events in nature.”

    Just because you see words where there aren’t any, is no reason to put it back onto me sunshine.

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  35. mandk (949 comments) says:

    It’s all very well to laugh, but Mallard’s moa policy is, by far, the most sensible and appealing ting to be uttered all year by anyone associated with Labour.
    Seriously.

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  36. davidp (3,573 comments) says:

    Mallard has been in and around parliament for 30 years now. For the first six he was a free market reformer. For the last 24 he has been a socialist. I suspect he has just run out of new policies. He doesn’t want to make something sensible the keystone of his re-election bid, in case someone points out that it was a rehash of his 1996 campaign and the exact opposite of his 1987 campaign. It’s the electoral equivalent of jumping the shark. Or, in Mallard’s case, jumping the plesiosaur.

    Notice also how Labour are offering Moa to specific communities as an election bribe. Wainuiomata and Inglewood will receive state-sponsored moa sanctuaries, but only if they vote Labour. Nothing to do with whether these towns have an environment that is suitable for moa.

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  37. SGA (983 comments) says:

    davidp at 8:29 am

    Notice also how Labour are offering Moa to specific communities as an election bribe.

    Well, it won’t work on me. I’m holding out for at least my own Haast Eagle.

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  38. Paulus (2,596 comments) says:

    Ducky – my moa’s broken and needs a new drive shaft and blade – being the expert how can I resurrect it ?
    You say DNA is the answer – where can I buy some ?
    Fuckwit !
    But he is a school teacher after all so he knows it all. Will teaching have him back – yes, naturally

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  39. projectman (206 comments) says:

    Perhaps Mallard’s interest with resurrecting the moa is just a prelude, a trial run, for resurrection of the Labour Party. Now, what could they use to provide the DNA template for that? It could be fun to speculate. What sort of (political) animal would we end up with?

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  40. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,875 comments) says:

    Yes, the small ones make excellent pets apparently. Very good around the home.

    They call them lawn moas.

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  41. Warren Murray (299 comments) says:

    38+ comments on here show his strategy is working just fine. As daft as Labour’ policies are, they arent getting any recognition, so he is promoting an idea even more ridiculous to boost his profile. He must have been quite worried for his reelection prospects but if it works (which it will), more politicians will try similar stunts.

    But the media has assisted him along the way, I expect that in his speaking engagements he has promoted Labour policy as well, but only the Moa comments are actually being reported.

    Little wonder voter turnout at this election is likely to be the lowest yet.

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  42. Warren Murray (299 comments) says:

    And internet voting wont improve participation either if this is the standard of public discourse during an election campaign.

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  43. Komata (1,160 comments) says:

    Apropos that ‘labour Group Photograph’ (thanks PG BTW):

    Has anyone else noticed that several of the male MP’s (even their leader it appears), seem to be wearing ties which have BLUE stripes? As Blue is the colour of the hated National party and it can’t be a ‘trick of the light’, surely this is sending very mixed messages to the party supporters (some of whom will definitely have noted that fact and and be wondering why). A Freudian slip perhaps, and perhaps an indication of the wearer’s true opinion?

    Just wondering…

    Now, back to the dying duck..

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  44. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Mallard continues his campaign of sabotage against Silent T. The ABC faction is alive and kicking.

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  45. burt (8,189 comments) says:

    It’s possible Trev has conflated socialism and Moa’s as one in the same in that tiny little brain of his. This is a guy who can vote for legislation demanding authorisation statements are required on advertising then not remember he needed one on his own mobile billboard van. He’s clearly very dim.

    I’m picking he just wants extinct things to return for his own benefit – like compulsory unionism, high taxation and economic recessions. Things that will help keep the welfare advocate socialist employed.

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  46. burt (8,189 comments) says:

    It’s entirely possible Trev’s been on the magic mushrooms and thinks Clark was a Moa ….

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  47. J Mex (188 comments) says:

    Mallard lost a lot of momentum after Cunliffe raised the stakes with “I’m sorry for being man”. Doubling down on ‘Jurassic Park Moa plan’ seems to be the only play available to Mallard. But watch for Cunliffe to push all-in with something that makes ‘Japanese politician tearful apology’ look pedestrian.

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  48. G152 (270 comments) says:

    Which moa is it that the Duck wants to resurrect?
    There’s many varieties.
    There are 2 stroke, 4 stroke, battery and electric.
    The rotary and the reel….
    IIt’s a diversionary tactic and a not very good one

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  49. Keeping Stock (10,264 comments) says:

    Your hatred of National and Key is poisoning you Judith; seek help :D

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  50. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ Keeping Stock (10,067 comments) says:
    July 13th, 2014 at 9:13 am

    And your hatred of Labour and Cunliffe is making you what, other than just a hypocrite?

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  51. burt (8,189 comments) says:

    Judith

    I’ve asked before and you’ve not answered – are you Winston Peters ?

    For what it’s worth, I think Keeping Stock makes a valid point. You regularly contort and tie yourself in knots defending banal BS from Labour and when you boil it down it seems to be all about that nasty man Key. Seek help – your hated is an obsession and it’s clearly twisting you completely out of shape.

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  52. WineOh (626 comments) says:

    I am obviously missing something here… why is Mallard barking on about reviving the Moa a snub against Cunliffe?

    The man is just a fruit loop who watched Jurassic Park one too many times (which- incidentally, didn’t do the revived species nor the humans around them many favours in any case). If we give the idea just a smidge of legitimacy for the sake of humouring the man- ask what most Queenslanders think of the Cassowary and you’ll have an idea what it would be like to have Moa roaming around in our woods.

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  53. SGA (983 comments) says:

    WineOh at 9:29 am

    I am obviously missing something here… why is Mallard barking on about reviving the Moa a snub against Cunliffe?
    The man is just a fruit loop …

    Stop being so sensible. It’s election time – Mallard’s loose comments reveal the “slippery slope” that leads to Labour’s secret support of the Green’s secret policy to turn all our rugby fields into Moa sanctuaries.

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  54. nickb (3,686 comments) says:

    Judith, come September, you are going to be the Moa of Kiwiblog

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  55. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ burt (7,743 comments) says:
    July 13th, 2014 at 9:22 am

    Yes, I’m Winston Peters — I’m also Helen Clark, Gerry Brownlee, Lockwood Smith, and Rodney Hide. All the people I have at various times stated my respect of, although I don’t recall ever saying I respected Winston, but he is entertaining.

    I’m sure you do think Keep Stock makes a valid point – you’re both very firmly on the same team, and cannot stand anyone that vigorously speaks out against it. You’re wasting your time if you think anything you have to say from your hypocritical point of view would effect me in the slightest. You are just as rampant in your statements against the left, as I am against the right, only you will never admit it.

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  56. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ nickb (3,657 comments) says:
    July 13th, 2014 at 9:50 am

    You think DPF is going to ban me because National win the election? Really? I don’t think DPF is that shallow, although I have no doubts you are.

    I will actually be in the best place after the election, because I won’t have voted the government in – which means I will have 100% moaning rights over every mistake that they make, and the rest of you will just have to suck it up :P . And believe me, with having to take on coalition partners, there will be plenty of opportunities.

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  57. Duxton (616 comments) says:

    I remember reading somewhere that Inglewood has the highest suicide rate in NZ. I also understand that it has the highest rate of intra-family (cousin-cousin) marriage.

    It’s hardly surprising that Mallard would want to go there……

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  58. Komata (1,160 comments) says:

    Judith

    Re: ‘…Because I won’t have voted the government in’.

    By this I take it that you are abstaining from exercising your hard-fought-for privilege to choose the next government.

    Given that the next government COULD be socialist in nature and that by abstaining you are in effect handing the socialists (whom by by your own admission; you dislike more than JK) a de facto vote by doing nothing, are you prepared for the consequences of a labour / Greens/ IP/Man party?

    I ask this as neutrality sometimes has unexpected consequences…

    Just wondering.

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  59. Jack5 (5,007 comments) says:

    Mallard’s obsession with the moa: it’s the duck in him. Birds of a feather.

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  60. Zapper (1,003 comments) says:

    I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that the hypocrite troll Judith makes a comment about another Kiwiblogger’s Mum, is advised his Mum has passed on but still has another go rather than apologise.

    You’re a vile piece of work Judith. Seek help.

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  61. burt (8,189 comments) says:

    Judith

    My disrespect for the left is firmly based on the fact ( yes fact – not opinion ) that every Labour government for the last 50 years has ended in recession. Poor economic performance and expanding welfare. People on low incomes are actually punished by the outcomes of redistributive policies – the unintended consequences of well meaning social engineering. I don’t deny I’m anti them.

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  62. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ Komata (1,095 comments) says:
    July 13th, 2014 at 10:09 am

    I doubt very much that National will lose this election. There is just no strong opposition to them. I will vote, but it will not be for either National or Labour.

    None of our political parties are strictly socialist. There are socialist type policies that can be found among most of the current political parties. That is just the same with most of them regarding where they sit on the political spectrum. National is by history a ‘right’ party, and yet some of their policies are very hard left. The same for Labour, and even the Greens, depending on the issue.

    I think it is the lack of single direction of any of the parties, which upsets the balance of our politics. It is impossible to determine exactly what each party stands for, and therefore which direction they will take the country in on all issues presented to them to govern.

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  63. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ burt (7,744 comments) says:
    July 13th, 2014 at 10:17 am

    Well there we go, my dislike of National is based on fact to, and I have never denied that I don’t like most of what they do, but are balanced enough to state very clearly when I do like something they’ve done.

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  64. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ Zapper (914 comments) says:
    July 13th, 2014 at 10:15 am

    I suppose the fact I was busy typing a post and hadn’t read his first comment wouldn’t have occurred to you – nope, you’re obviously not that clever enough.

    When he cares to post apologies for the things he gets wrong, I’m more than happy to offer him the same, but given he has a long history of not doing that – I don’t see why I should give him the respect.

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  65. burt (8,189 comments) says:

    Judith

    It seems the only fact you have against National is that they are invariably elected after a Labour party economic cluster fuck to get the economy going again. I guess if you love seeing people queuing for bread and toilet paper while the wealthy are fleeing the country – you’ll hate economic recovery.

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  66. Zapper (1,003 comments) says:

    I’m not clever enough to know you’re unable to read a post from over an hour ago? Yeah, my brain power is the issue here.

    You sound like a child. You made a disgraceful comment but won’t apologise until he apologises for something he might have said in the past that was wrong (yet you don’t give an example – if you provide a link where he belittles a dead relative of yours, I’ll withdraw my comment and acknowledge your lack of apology is acceptable). The impression I get is that you’re a senior citizen but you act like a pathetic child.

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  67. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Judith has traversed the whole spectrum: from Bain to Winston First to Labour. Shame on you, chameleonic woman!

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  68. jonnobanks (148 comments) says:

    Here is the truth, Christoper Bishop has paid Mallard to take a dive. This is a guaranteed way of doing so.

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  69. SGA (983 comments) says:

    Zapper at 10:29 am

    I’m not clever enough to know you’re unable to read a post from over an hour ago? Yeah, my brain power is the issue here.

    Huh? To me it looks like the final “mother” comment was a classic “cross-over” post, Zapper.

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  70. burt (8,189 comments) says:

    Pete George

    That snippet you posted from Mallard’s bio. Classic he specifically mentions quality education. This is a guy who supports school zoning and didn’t send his kids to his locally zoned school. Your in zone school is ‘quality’ for other people ….. What a C##T !

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  71. burt (8,189 comments) says:

    SGA

    the ‘final’ post was a crossover – so it’s ok to post that personal attack shit about something somebody has zero control over ? Like the first one was ok ?

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  72. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ Zapper (915 comments) says:
    July 13th, 2014 at 10:29 am

    Perhaps you need it in plain english. I didn’t see his first comment until after I had posted the second of my comments. Because in the past Shawn has been equally as insulting and wrong, and never proffered an apology to me or many others, I see no reason to provide him with the same privilege. His opinion of me, nor yours, worries me in the slightest. The only thing that does worry me is how similar your posts frequently seem to Shawn’s. :P You’re wasting your time if you think I have a conscience that would make me care in the slightest what you hypocrites think or don’t think.

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  73. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ burt (7,747 comments) says:
    July 13th, 2014 at 10:38 am

    Asking someone if their mommy knows they are on a computer is bad? What a friggin beat up – man you lot are really getting desperate for material to throw at me.

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  74. SGA (983 comments) says:

    burt at 10:38 am

    the ‘final’ post was a crossover – so it’s ok to post that personal attack shit about something somebody has zero control over ? Like the first one was ok ?

    Oh, I don’t know. In the grand scheme of things, an insult like “does your mother know you are the computer” is pretty light weight, isn’t it? There’s been a helluva lot worse than that said here?

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  75. Zapper (1,003 comments) says:

    I got it Judith, I don’t think I need lessons in anything from someone of extremely limited intelligence like yourself.

    Regardless of when you saw his comment that his Mum is gone, your comment is a disgrace and your lack of an apology is also a disgrace. Your defence is child like and pathetic.

    Obviously you don’t care what anyone thinks. That is obvious by your continued moronic posts.

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  76. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Obviously you don’t care what anyone thinks. That is obvious by your continued moronic posts.

    Hear, hear. Emphasis is mine.

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  77. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ Zapper and Manolo

    Like I said, what a hypocritical beat up. Your own posts at various times are far more insulting and moronic Manolo – so really sunshine, you are in no position to start judging others – and as for Zapper – what a touchy we soul you are – fancy taking a comment asking ‘if your mommy knows you are own the computer’ as a major insult – you really need to grow some.

    The fact is I’m a leftie poster, and you’d really can’t stand anyone that doesn’t think like you posting here. You’d rather have a blog where you could all pat each others backs and stroke your egos – sorry, that ain’t going to happen anytime soon. If you feel so very threatened and ‘hurt’ but such comments, then I suggest the internet really isn’t a safe place for your delicate minds to be.

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  78. burt (8,189 comments) says:

    Judith

    You could have apologised. I know, it’s something Clark never did and she’s the best lefty to ever walk the earth right. Yep, the lefty with 5 rental properties and a tax free salary in NY telling us all we need to pay more tax. She’s just like you actually. Full of myopic self serving BS pretending her policies help the very people she’s sponging off.

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  79. Griff (7,267 comments) says:

    Manolo is a classic.
    only one sentence in most of his posts
    That’s all his mind can cope with at any one time.
    I would guess its the alcohol and its effects on brain cells.
    Not a huge problem to many.
    however if you are a little dim to start with…..

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  80. thor42 (971 comments) says:

    “Kentucky Fried Moa” – it’s finger-lickin’ good”.

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  81. Yoza (1,773 comments) says:

    thor42 (880 comments) says:
    July 13th, 2014 at 11:22 am
    “Kentucky Fried Moa” – it’s finger-lickin’ good”.

    I’m thinking more cured in the manner of bacon then sliced and fried along with Moa eggs.

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  82. Nostalgia-NZ (5,093 comments) says:

    Just remember folks one moa does not a summer make.

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  83. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ burt (7,748 comments) says:
    July 13th, 2014 at 11:16 am

    I’m sorry, but I’m not in the habit of giving empty meaningless apologies. I only apologize when I mean it. I’m not the least bit sorry if I caused Shawn any offence. Shawn has said far worse to me and I’ve never asked him for an apology. I asked him a question – all he had to say is no my mother doesn’t know I’m on the computer because she is dead.

    My mother and my father are both dead – I’m an orphan, does that mean none of you can ask me similar questions? As I said – grow some – you’re just beating this up Burt because you have a bad hypocrisy problem. Get over it. You’re sounding pathetic and desperate now.

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  84. soundhill1 (170 comments) says:

    If this is about naked DNA uptake from dead cells that is achieved by bacteria.
    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v509/n7498_supp/full/509S6a.html
    “Mobile resistance: Bacteria build resistance in two basic ways: vertically, by passing on mutations when a cell replicates; and horizontally, where genes are passed from one cell to another in DNA fragments called plasmids (see ‘Two ways to spread’). “Plasmids are a dominant force in HGT [horizontal gene transfer],” says microbiologist Gautam Dantas of Washington University in St Louis, Missouri. “But there are important other ways in which HGT can occur, including transfer of linear parts of the chromosome from one cell to the other through the action of phages, as well as naked DNA uptake from dead cells,” or DNA that is no longer encapsulated within a living bacterial cell and is free in an environment. Many researchers now consider horizontal transmission to be the primary driver of antibiotic resistance3.” “However, our greatest risk of antibiotic-resistant infections may come not from fellow humans, but from cows, pigs and chickens. In 2011, about 80% of antibiotics in the United States went to livestock, to keep them healthy in intensive breeding conditions where infections are common and can spread quickly, and to boost growth (see ‘The politics of antibiotics’, page S16). Living within a mile of a factory pig farm in Iowa, America’s top pork-producing state, nearly triples the odds of MRSA colonization2″

    I am not trained in biology, but my thinking is that having kanamycin, ampicillin and streptomycin resistance genes in GMO pig feed, ( Food Standards Australia New Zealand (FSANZ) wrote: ” the commonly used antibiotic resistance genes include kanamycin, ampicillin and streptomycin” ) and feeding them also wide-spectrum anitibiotics could mean bacteria under selection pressure make use of DNA uptake from dead cells in the feed, and develop resistance. I think that that could add to the problem of resistance.

    Is it scientific to promote animal growth with antibiotics? Are some countries more scientific? In China they are not afraid of that science. They use about 4 times as much with their pigs as in US. I bring that up because anti GMO thought has often been classed as anti-science, whereas it is the safety of it that is being challenged. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v509/n7498_supp/full/509S16a.html

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  85. SGA (983 comments) says:

    @soundhill1 at 12:01 pm
    So you are suggesting that any of Mallard’s Moa should be kept free of kanamycin, ampicillin and streptomycin? Worth thinking about, I suppose :-)

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  86. freemark (556 comments) says:

    IMO Judith, like most of her/his ideologues, is a deeply unhappy & quite miserable person. He/she deeply resents the fact that most people are inherently cheerful. Her/his/it’s purpose here(in life??) is to make sure that everyone is dragged down to that level of misery, especially the successful in Society. This is why it hates Nats & their supporters. The past few months/years we have seen the initial contrived mask of balance slip down with every piece of NZ’s good news & good, steady Governance. The bitterness, envy & sheer nastiness is really coming out now, and it is truly pathetic to observe. Definitely a Socialist.
    “I’m an orphan” – what a misleading, pathetic cry for help that one is…go get that help “Judith”

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  87. SGA (983 comments) says:

    freemark at 12:17 pm

    IMO Judith, like most of her/his ideologues, is a deeply unhappy & quite miserable person. He/she deeply resents the fact that most people are inherently cheerful.

    Yep, that’s what draws me to Kiwiblog – all the inherently cheerful people :-)

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  88. soundhill1 (170 comments) says:

    SGA, kanamycin has often been the strong prophyllactic antibiotic of choice for bowel operations. Streptomycin treats TB. Ampicillin is a useful penicillin, though not as strong in some ways as methicillin which some Staphylococcus aureus bacteria develop resistance to (MRSA) The message is to keep moas and everything as free as possible from the use of all antibiotics since resistance is developing very fast and former last resort ones are now first choice ones.

    As well as using antibiotic as sparingly as possibly to stop resistance developing, Moas’ food and all our food should be kept free of GMO antibiotic resistance genes, to further stop development of resistance. Don’t conflate those two things SGA. The pro-GMO lobby often try to confuse people. We should be able to know from a label which food contains GMOs and though required here they are not used. If the TPPA is passed we may face the industry message that GMOs are no different and large penalties if we keep our labelling law.

    http://www.i-sis.org.uk/GM_antibiotic_resistance_in_Chinas_rivers.php

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  89. SGA (983 comments) says:

    soundhill1 at 12:36 pm

    … The message is to keep moas and everything as free as possible from the use of all antibiotics since resistance is developing very fast and former last resort ones are now first choice ones.
    As well as using antibiotic as sparingly as possibly to stop resistance developing, Moas’ food and all our food should be kept free of GMO antibiotic resistance genes, to further stop development of resistance. …

    All good. There are likely to be some health issues involved with getting the Moa Project up and going, however. What alternatives to those antibiotics would you recommend?

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  90. soundhill1 (170 comments) says:

    SGA, at the time that MRSA appeared in Christchurch Hospital I talked to the overseeing doctor who said they were using soap and water. Maybe amputation of affected areas.

    Right wing philosophy with every doctor making the seemingly the best choice for their individual patient at that time and forgetting the commons is what we have to get around. Did you read about the “Tragedy of the Commons” on my link?

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  91. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    “When he cares to post apologies for the things he gets wrong, I’m more than happy to offer him the same, but given he has a long history of not doing that – I don’t see why I should give him the respect.”

    Wrong Judith. I have apologized to various people here at one time or another, when either I have got something wrong, or went to far in having a go at somebody, and I have apologized to people across the political spectrum when I felt it was right to do so. I did so to Ryan Sproul only a few days ago.

    In fact I have sometimes taken a bit of flack for doing so.

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  92. Paulus (2,596 comments) says:

    Why is it that I am finding this blog tiresome.
    Everything I read is from the person who calls herself Judith.
    Probably Trevor actually.
    Well done girl/boy, you are spoiling a good site, but of course that is your aim.

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  93. Viking2 (11,348 comments) says:

    Judith (7,211 comments) says:
    July 13th, 2014 at 7:47 am

    @ tvb (4,167 comments) says:
    July 13th, 2014 at 7:39 am

    I can’t really see how Mallard’s interests are much different to Key’s, after all, he appears keen to revive the all but extinct ACT party. Personally I think the Moa would be far more exciting and worthwhile to New Zealand. And then there is Colin Craig, who wants to revive everything and drag us back to the age of the dinosaurs, it appears all our political parties are into bring something dead or almost dead, back to life.

    =======================
    Judith you left out the Maori party and all its friends. They want to bring back the glory days of old nz when the Maori were such noble savages.

    some of course haven’t progresses from then till now so we know whatthat will be like.

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  94. soundhill1 (170 comments) says:

    Paulus, thought is a bother, or a trouble when people are trying to reinforce myths.

    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie — deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.” – John Kennedy .

    The more thought required to read articles the more threat they are to the myth and the more anonymous red numbers.

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  95. SGA (983 comments) says:

    SGA at 12:42 pm
    All good. There are likely to be some health issues involved with getting the Moa Project up and going, however. What alternatives to those antibiotics would you recommend?

    soundhill1 at 1:01 pm
    SGA, at the time that MRSA appeared in Christchurch Hospital I talked to the overseeing doctor who said they were using soap and water. Maybe amputation of affected areas.

    Soap, water, amputation – sounds easy enough for the Moa people, you’d think.

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  96. Nookin (3,264 comments) says:

    Paulus
    Maybe this will explain

    http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2014/02/16/trolls-just-want-to-have-fun/

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  97. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “Mallard continues his campaign of sabotage against Silent T. The ABC faction is alive and kicking.”

    Pffffff

    There should be a strong faction against the Keyliffe faction.

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  98. soundhill1 (170 comments) says:

    SGA, it’s tragic when it gets that far. Though for the news media it’s big business.

    There must have been a time when there still seemed to be a fair few moas around though you had to go further to get them. But you didn’t realise that it may have been a bit of a bother for the moas to travel so far to procreate.

    Top marks to Trev for getting us thinking.

    We need to be thinking in advance and having a better education than Paulus who thinks any old DNA will do. And perhaps better than Trevor who mighn’t even be able to resurrect the more recently lost vocalisation of the Huia. More complex behaviours are not hard-wired in, but learned and passed on.

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  99. Zapper (1,003 comments) says:

    Judith, I have no problem with a poster from the left at Kiwiblog. That doesn’t mean that if someone from the left comes in here and acts like a prize idiot 90% of the time as you do, then I need to like that.

    All I know is that a decent person who inadvertently makes a “joke” (quotes because it barely qualified) about someone’s deceased Mum would withdraw and apologise straight away. I’m not overly sensitive, just as you’re not a decent person.

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  100. soundhill1 (170 comments) says:

    http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~janm/wildlife/rotorua/taupo.htm
    “The name Moawhango can be translated variously as ‘the hoarse call of the moa’ or as ‘many moa, and is one of the few places where this bird’s name has been preserved. Perhaps it was here in this isolated, almost hostile, environment that the last remnant populations of this bird lingered.”

    “After a hard night tossing sleeplessly on a lumpy tent floor I have sometimes thought that it is little wonder that the Maori likened loud-mouths to the kaka in their saying ‘He kaka waha nui’ – ‘the kaka of the big mouth.'”

    I wonder if any Tangata Whenua loud mouths were making a noise against taking too many moas and burning too much bush so they couldn’t get to eat and procreate enough on the same day.

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  101. ross411 (433 comments) says:

    Judith (7,220 comments) says:
    July 13th, 2014 at 11:11 am
    The fact is I’m a leftie poster, and you’d really can’t stand anyone that doesn’t think like you posting here. You’d rather have a blog where you could all pat each others backs and stroke your egos

    A lot of your posts seem to be you trying to link John Key as being a bad person based on whatever the subject of the day is, and quite a few others are you talking about how you magically not voting absolves you of responsibility. Then there’s the posts where you declared that you have friends or something in the company that used to get the anti-gambling contract, and how it is a travesty that the Salvation Army got it instead, and that there’s nothing wrong with the old company using the contract funds for their own political purposes (regardless of how little those political purposes really help the gamblers).

    It’s not that you’re a leftie, it’s that you never take into account any of the reasonable points against what you post. You just dismiss them so you can go on claiming what you want to claim. Whether you intend it or not, you’re a troll.

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  102. ross411 (433 comments) says:

    Zapper (917 comments) says:
    July 13th, 2014 at 3:30 pm
    All I know is that a decent person who inadvertently makes a “joke” (quotes because it barely qualified) about someone’s deceased Mum would withdraw and apologise straight away. I’m not overly sensitive, just as you’re not a decent person.

    Oh please, what a storm in a teacup. How convenient it is for you to get offended on someone else’s behalf. This whole Judith did whoever’s mother is dead wrong nonsense, is the definition of the internet butt hurt meme.

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  103. Zapper (1,003 comments) says:

    I don’t think it’s a storm and I’m not “butt hurt”. I just think it’s poor form.

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  104. goldnkiwi (1,256 comments) says:

    Some people seem to have trouble with differentiating their affects from their effects, glad to see the Clark with the e has gone though.

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  105. Komata (1,160 comments) says:

    Judith

    Thank you for your 1017 response; my apologies for a late reply.

    Re: ‘I will vote, but it will not be for either National or Labour’.

    I suspect that you now have very limited options, as only (at most) two non-socialist parties come to mind, and I don’t think that Winnie is exactly one of your ‘friends’. While respecting your strongly-held views, I have to ask if a vote for a ‘minority’ party that will be largely ineffective in Parliament, won’t in fact be a ‘wasted’ vote, whereas a vote for the Nats’ will at least give you some ‘influence’ (no matter how small) in what is happening?

    As before, just wondering. Thanks.

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  106. soundhill1 (170 comments) says:

    I think that burning of Aotearoa forests was sometimes done so that they wouldn’t provide cover for attacking tribes. I feel it’s a similar scenario with the US Supreme Court again allowing the US Navy to use their powerful sonar for military preparedness against China, even if it does cause trouble for an unknown number of cetaceans. It was a 5/4 decision, so there were obviously “loud mouths” of fair persuasion against the decision. The world of the future may look back at these ages with extreme regret, as with the point Trevor is making about the Moas.

    http://factsanddetails.com/world/cat53/sub341/item1246.html

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  107. greenjacket (451 comments) says:

    For Thor’s sake, please ignore Judith – don’t feed the troll, and maybe the lunatic will go away.

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  108. Maggy Wassilieff (317 comments) says:

    @ Soundhill…if the Yanks are going to crank up their sonar experiments again, we might just find out if the oceans are warming.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1998/10/27/science/global-thermometer-imperiled-by-dispute.html

    We wont have to worry about fiddling with those climate models any longer, or adjusting our land thermometer stations every few years.
    We might just get some precise data.

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  109. labrator (1,893 comments) says:

    This seems like a weird thing to make worthy of note:

    … racing bike licence …

    What on earth is a racing bike licence? As far as I can tell, it’s actually just a BikeNz membership that allows you to enter races. It’s not something you need to obtain via test or skill. It seems some what saying I have a NZ Herald License (which incidentally I don’t).

    Also, please stop interacting with Judith. Rarely is any value gained from her input.

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  110. soundhill1 (170 comments) says:

    @Maggy Wassilieff. Your article refers to layers of temperature and density. Density can result result from temperature but also salinity. The layers guide the sound waves, so long distance sound would not be useful to measure temperature. It would not be known exactly the route/length of the path of the sound. It will just be an apology for a military system looking for echos of foreign submarines. That is my opinion. The high power will be to get sufficient echos back.

    To measure sound speed does not require echo power. A much lower power can be used.

    Note with cellphones we do not have one tower for a city with high power transmission, but many much lower power towers and the cellphones can be much lower milliwatts going into the user’s head. Same should be with sound speed measurement in the sea. Many hydrophones, as your article wrote, but also install a low power sound source with each one. Their signals can be coded. Mostly each unit is listening, but just occasionally sends out its code. The data will be much more precise, and rather than averaging across a large ocean it will be possible to know about various temperatures of currents and local areas.

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