Mitchell on teen parents

July 10th, 2014 at 4:00 pm by David Farrar

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I wanted to get the whole picture before I wrote this post. Yesterday some detail arrived from MSD.

For years I have agitated about the long-term DPB population being derived from teenage births. The children of these parents form the most at-risk group.

But from 2008 the number of teenage births started dropping. In 2013 there were 29 percent fewer than in 2009.

But even better, at March 2009 there were 4,425 teenage parents on any main benefit. By March 2014 the number had dropped to 2,560. A 42 percent reduction.

The really important news is it’s happening across all ethnicities.The proportions are reasonably stable. …

This means thousands fewer children experiencing poor outcomes – ill-health, disconnect from education,  in and out of fostercare, potentially abused and neglected, having the cards stacked against them from the outset.

Thousands of would-be teen mums will continue on with their own lives and fulfilling potential, and hopefully have children when they are ready to. 

It’s a fantastic development. 

National deserve at least some credit for it with their new young parent mentoring and benefit management regime.

The reduction is huge and significant.

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38 Responses to “Mitchell on teen parents”

  1. BeaB (2,080 comments) says:

    This is the kind of good news that should be headlines to encourage more young people into better lives. This is a great government getting positive results.

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  2. Pete George (23,299 comments) says:

    At the same time:

    Teenage abortions down dramatically – from 4,277 in 2007 to 2,144 in 2013 – almost a 50% drop

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/06/fewer_abortions.html

    Both abortions and teenage pregnancies have dropped substantially and by similar amounts.

    Better education? Better access to contraception?

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  3. Judith (8,404 comments) says:

    Whilst it is refreshing to see, its a pity the writer didn’t bother to check with the fertility rates etc. Between 2001 and 2006 there was an overall rise in births from a previous low experienced between 78 and 86, since 2006 the birth rate has dropped again, and continues to drop. These are nation wide figures and therefore have to be considered as contributing to the number of single parents requiring support as well.

    Whilst it is a good effort and needs recognition, I’m sorry but the government can’t claim total responsibility, unless of course a National government has made people just not feel like sex! (joking!!).

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  4. BeaB (2,080 comments) says:

    Judith still sucking on lemons.

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  5. Unity (406 comments) says:

    This is excellent news. I have long advocated that the Government shouldn’t pay children to have children and since its inception in the mid 1970′s its very obviously been a lifestyle choice for many, especially those who were poor attendees at school and didn’t have any aspirations or a good work ethic etc. I don’t know, but I’m hopeful that schools have been instrumental in these better statistics. I still feel, because of too much parental neglect, that parenting classes should be mandatory in schools as many from bad homes have no idea how to be good parents, not having had any role models.

    They talk about high statistics in child poverty but what I see is more like child neglect. If schools are instrumental in turning children from these home around to be achievers then that is great. The DPB shouldn’t be paid to anyone under a certain age (say 21) and this would reduce the life style option for those who haven’t achieved and wouldn’t have any job prospects. They should be encouraged to achieve and be responsible for themselves instead of relying on the State.

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  6. Judith (8,404 comments) says:

    BeaB (2,048 comments) says:
    July 10th, 2014 at 4:32 pm

    Whats the matter Bea, the facts too difficult for you to understand? I guess being fed too much shit makes it difficult to understand when reality is presented.

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  7. NK (1,128 comments) says:

    If Labour wins the election, these numbers will reduce to zero because no one will be having sex as all males will be deemed rapists if they do.

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  8. holysheet (297 comments) says:

    Wait for silent T to say sorry for whatever he deems it necessary for him to get the kudos for this good news.

    What would it take for Judith to be positive for once at the announcement of some good news story?
    Its not all bad out there despite what liabors supporters claim.

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  9. freemark (511 comments) says:

    Rumour has it that Judith is paid per comment…no doubt the taxpayer will be funding it.
    Looking at recent quality of said comments, the rate should be pretty low..hence the quantity increasing.
    Are you sorry for being a bitter twisted woman Judith..or are you a pseudo man..(Peter)?

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  10. wf (397 comments) says:

    Judith, can’t you just say “that’s a great outcome, I’m so pleased for those kids” and not make every damned reply into a political score?
    You make some good points at times, but in your own way you are as bad as some of the chaps around here. Lighten up please.

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  11. edhunter (514 comments) says:

    I would like to acknowledge the very important role porn has played in reducing these figures. Girls these days are much more open to suggestions of where a male might “finish” his business. And after all up the bum you wont become a mum ;-)

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  12. nasska (10,896 comments) says:

    ….” up the bum you wont become a mum “…..

    The motto of convent educated girls everywhere. :)

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  13. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    I just found out female contraceptives last five years.

    I give that more credit than the National govt.

    Safer cars on the road means driving stats are going down. No credit for the National govt there either.

    Superior technology bringing crime down. No credit for the National govt there either

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  14. Redbaiter (8,001 comments) says:

    “we may only do it up the bum but we can always hire a surrogate mum”

    The motto of toothless homosexual hillbillies everywhere.

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  15. Redbaiter (8,001 comments) says:

    Thousands of would-be teen mums will continue on with their own lives and fulfilling potential, and hopefully have children when they are ready to.

    Motherhood is not fulfilling any potential?

    We get the drift. Only dumbshits want to be mothers.

    Except that while western women prefer selling real estate and other “fulfilling” pursuits, Muslim women are busy having children.

    Where do western wimmen think this will lead?

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  16. RRM (9,638 comments) says:

    Children should not be raised by children.

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  17. nasska (10,896 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (7,454 comments) says:
    July 10th, 2014 at 5:49 pm

    You’re late Baity…..land a job? :)

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  18. itstricky (1,693 comments) says:

    Rumour has it that Judith is paid per comment…no doubt the taxpayer will be funding it.

    Wow how many of you guys completed rudimentary statistics or logic? What she’s saying is pretty obvious. Obvious enough that, DPF, being in the trade, probably knows it already. Do you have any evidence Judith?

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  19. Lindsay (142 comments) says:

    Judith said, “Whilst it is refreshing to see, its a pity the writer didn’t bother to check with the fertility rates etc. Between 2001 and 2006 there was an overall rise in births from a previous low experienced between 78 and 86, since 2006 the birth rate has dropped again, and continues to drop.”

    Are you referring to overall fertility? Of course I checked the context.

    Over the same period (2009-13) 20-24 year-olds had 7 percent fewer births, 25-29 year-olds just 0.2 percent fewer. 30-34 3% fewer, 40-44 10% fewer and 45+ actually saw an increase.

    Teens are a striking stand out with a 29 percent reduction.

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  20. Harriet (4,614 comments) says:

    “……Where do western wimmen think this will lead?…”

    Nearest fertility clinic.

    Monash uni did research on infertility rates and concluded that it is immoral for women to make fertility hard by putting it off, and in doing so then expecting the help and sympathy of others.

    Infertility they said is now the area of medicine with the highest growth rates. Advocates are also requesting more government funding.

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  21. duggledog (1,431 comments) says:

    The reduction is huge and significant, but sorry, the damage has been done.

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  22. big bruv (13,552 comments) says:

    Lindsay Mitchell is a walking continent of common sense. Her work is to be applauded.

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  23. gander (90 comments) says:

    holysheet (247 comments) says:
    July 10th, 2014 at 4:57 pm

    What would it take for Judith to be positive for once at the announcement of some good news story?

    It would take the good news being unquestionably not the outcome of any action of John Key or the National-led government.

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  24. duggledog (1,431 comments) says:

    Big Bruv, yes she is, I rate Lindsay Mitchell extremely highly. I wish she and Stephen Franks could run the country as benign dictators for ten years. Actually five years. The place would be fixed.

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  25. nasska (10,896 comments) says:

    The trouble with benign dictators is that they seldom stay that way. They also have a habit of extending their terms & are very difficult to sack.

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  26. big bruv (13,552 comments) says:

    nasska

    Given the options available I would not be against Lindsay extending her stay to ten years or so.

    Imagine how great the place would be then, no professional breeders, no slappers spiting out kids to stay on the DPB and fuck all on the dole.

    Stuff it, lets make her and Franks leaders for life.

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  27. RF (1,343 comments) says:

    Lindsay..6.49pm. Nice one. That sent the wicked witch on her way.

    I enjoyed your post.

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  28. Mark (1,424 comments) says:

    NK (1,050 comments) says:
    July 10th, 2014 at 4:51 pm
    If Labour wins the election, these numbers will reduce to zero because no one will be having sex as all males will be deemed rapists if they do.

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    NK this is patently untrue. If you have permission in writing, witnessed by an independent third party, that specifies in allowable acts you should be OK. Hopefully you can keep in the mood while getting through the paperwork. I suggest a pre-prepared tick box form to speed up the process and a very understanding neighbour

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  29. nasska (10,896 comments) says:

    ….” I suggest a pre-prepared tick box form to speed up the process and a very understanding neighbour”…..

    Alternatively a good web cam & a subscription to http://www.ratemynaughty.com should cover it Mark. :)

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  30. duggledog (1,431 comments) says:

    Nasska

    Which is why I said 5 years. What bums me out though is people like her and Stephen and a few others I could mention, who have so many answers to so many problems are totally unknown by 99% of the population. Ever heard Franks on Jim Mora’s the Panel? The guy has more common sense than a truck full of common sense

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  31. JC (933 comments) says:

    Judith,

    I checked the fertility figures.

    The oldest teen born to fit the description of teen is 19 years, so no teens of the period 1978-86 could figure in the birth stats we are discussing.. they would have to have been born in the 90s when there was a slight recovery in birth numbers and we are talking tiny differences in fertility of about 46 births per 1000 women in 1986 compared to a “high” of about 48 in the years after that.

    http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/population/births/BirthsAndDeaths_HOTPYeMar12/Commentary.aspx

    The drop in teen births now is very significant and can be attributed to the present Govt.

    The thing about people, especially the young most at risk of early pregnancy is they are responsive to signals coming from Govt and National has signaled the DPB now comes with strings attached.. young women have responded by controlling their fertility and finding work.

    JC

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  32. dime (9,662 comments) says:

    “Except that while western women prefer selling real estate and other “fulfilling” pursuits” lol nailed it

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  33. nasska (10,896 comments) says:

    I’m with you duggledog….they are both eminently pragmatic yet highly intelligent people & the fragmentation of the ACT Party meant that NZ lost the common sense they could have introduced.

    I was, if in a light hearted way, more concerned about the suspension of democracy. That risk would never be worth taking.

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  34. gravedodger (1,528 comments) says:

    ACT placed Heather Roy at number two, Franks 4 and Lindsay at 10 in 2005 what could possibly go wrong??!!!

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  35. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    ‘young women have responded by controlling their fertility and finding work.”

    Pfffffff

    Coiugh, cough, cough

    Teens join educational programmes and saddle themselves with student slave debt which does not gurantee them work after graduation. And, no matter how many degrees they attain

    What a poisonous, twisted logic pepertrated on this fascist blog passing for democratic freedom.

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  36. HC (152 comments) says:

    Since it is supposed to have started decreasing in 2008, this cannot be linked to National Party government policy, as they only got voted in as government in very late 2008.

    I fear Lyndsay is creating myths again, linking this to the policies of this government, while there are most likely very many other reasons behind it. What about availability of birth control measures and so, changes due to educational moves, even before National got into government, and many other measures and developments?

    Linking data to certain years, and claiming certain changes or improvements must be linked to changes in government is a popular way of promoting certain policy and parties, but it is not always a very scientific way of proving trends.

    I would not give much credit to what Lyndsay writes, given her past record, that can be challenged.

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  37. HC (152 comments) says:

    I am looking forward to more “progressive” birth control measures under a National – Conservatives government, such as recommended, long cold showers for youth suffering “over heating” due to intense sex drive, such as putting a knot into the young males foreskins, such as coitus interruptus, such as intensive prayer and the new modern Japanese way of “sex”, being the cyber fantasy ejaculations in controlled rooms.

    We will get more education, I suppose, and the age for “youth” benefit entitlement may be lifted up to 25 years, also going alongside efforts to reverse – or slow – youth’s brain development, so that “young ones” do not “feel” mature at too young an age. Injection with counteractive hormones may be another new avenue to explore, to “cool down” the tempers and emotions and drives of the younger generation. Science may offer new solutions.

    Progress and new solutions are on their way, I suppose, many options there are. Otherwise sweat it out, rather than jump into bed, and do all, to keep that nasty sperm away from the receiving end.

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  38. Unity (406 comments) says:

    HC, you certainly hit the nail on the head with your 10.30pm comment. Of course the National Government couldn’t be given the credit for these figures. It takes at least a term for policies to kick in. There were probably a number of reasons for the statistics to be dropping but they couldn’t be laid at National’s door as they hadn’t been in power for several terms.

    I had to smile at your 10.40pm comment. How inspirational. There was a lot of common sense behind it all though.

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