Peters (sort of) rules out Mana and Maori

July 30th, 2014 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Winston Peters says NZ First will sit in Opposition rather than go into coalition with any “race based” party.

On his way into Parliament today, Peters repeated earlier comments that NZ First might sit on the cross benches rather than go into a coalition that undermined its principles, including its opposition to what it calls “Maori separatism”.

“We are not going to be in any combination that is race-based,” Peters said.

As usual Peters has left wriggle room. What does go into coalition with mean? For example National has no coalition partners at the moment – only supply and confidence partners. Secondly National is the party in a relationship with both ACT and but ACT does not have a relationship with the directly.

And what does sit on the cross benches mean? Does that mean still vote for the Government, vote against the Government or abstain on supply and confidence?

I imagine that any journalist that ask Peters those questions will get abused, called a moron, and told their position is absolutely clear.

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27 Responses to “Peters (sort of) rules out Mana and Maori”

  1. stephen2d (87 comments) says:

    This is typical Peters and it is getting beyond tiring.

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  2. EAD (1,331 comments) says:

    Perhaps the old fool might have developed some principles in his dottage?

    Now let’s see if National will also rule out a coalition with this racist, far left party?

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  3. dave_c_ (226 comments) says:

    Lets get things straight here – It doesnt matter who it is that points to the elephant in the room, they get castigated and shot down. However, that does not mean there is no elephant in the room – NZ has double standards in all areas of life when it comes to ‘Race based’ rules and entitlements. Enough of this crap, its time to confront the elephant.

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  4. David Garrett (7,565 comments) says:

    dave_c: I quite agree…and Jamie Whyte has just this morning given you an ironclad reason to vote ACT this election..to be fair the Conservatives have made the same commitment re race based legislation and funding, but I am not at all sure they will make it.

    I found Key’s response to Whyte’s speech quite gobsmacking as it happens…”Helen Clark has already had a pretty good look at race based laws..” When did that happen exactly? What did her government do about what they found?

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  5. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,924 comments) says:

    A good start might be the removal of local gummint’s ability to create Iwi based seats on councils. (And I’m part Maori.)

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  6. oldpark (385 comments) says:

    Peters said he would sit on the cross benches if elected in 2005 .Helen Clark give him a few carrots,and lo and behold the so called cross benches threat was quickly forgotten,even faster than Goff and Annette King when they tried to shut down the Darren Hughes allegations,all three have at least 100 years parliamentary service sucking out of the trough,between them.Its all about selective morality.If the face suits wear it.

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  7. David Garrett (7,565 comments) says:

    Adolf: Part Maori you say? “which part”? is the currently oh so amusing rejoinder when one uses that term to younger people (my kids are half Tongan, and up there “half-half is a recognised and totally non-perjorative term)…But then the Tongans don’t think they are the greatest civilization since the Romans…

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  8. stephen2d (87 comments) says:

    @David Garrett: your approach to a debate on these pages does a real disservice to ACT that you are trying to promote. The guy was agreeing with you. Why jump on him? But then again, this is not the first time you do this. I agree with ACT policies 90% of the time, hold sir Roger in high esteem, but when I see how you discuss, it puts it all into question and I wonder how you managed to sneak in the parliament before – mind boggling.

    Yes, this may be inflammatory, but your ego needs to get in check.

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  9. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,924 comments) says:

    stephen2nd

    The part of me which is Maori is my sense of humour. I can see you must be a pure bred.

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  10. Akaroa (591 comments) says:

    Sigh! Here we go again! Another turn round the mulberry bush of NZ so-called race relations.

    When i first emigrated to this fair land forty plus years ago and vested my ptifully small fortune in NZ and her future i used to wonder and marvel about the strangle-hold the Maori people and their rah-rah European socially-enlightened – (Hah!!) – hangers-on had on the wider – and evidently totally dumb – population.

    I rationalised and put it down to what i soon learned was the ingrained Kiwi tendency to modestly diminish one’s own achievements and social position in favour of being seen as ‘Good Kiwi Blokes/Blokesses’ by the ‘other joker’. (in this case the Maori)

    But as the years have passed I’ve become wearied of the blatant and out-and-out pro-Maori racist nonsense espoused by a number of prominent people who I know i don’t have to name.

    So my message to our Maori mates is, “Look here, my Maori mate, I’m not saying i’m any better or more advanced than you – but you as sure as hell ain’t any better than me. We Pakeha have a bit of history too, y’know!! So why don’t we can all this Tangata Whenua – or whatever – crap and just get on with being a bunch of Kiwis living in one of the best lands God ever created. Eh? What do you think? Is it a go-er?”

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  11. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “Adolf: Part Maori you say? “which part”? ”

    I’m sure you know that it means mixed blood David.

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  12. stephen2d (87 comments) says:

    @Akaroa: I know a good amount of Maori – quite a few in Akaroa (funnily enough) who feel the same way you do. It is those who are making the buck from “the oppression” that are against it…and the Treaty lawyers, too.

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  13. backster (2,185 comments) says:

    I think old Winston jumps up and down and raises points of order etc when-ever anyone suggests NZ First was a coalition party of Labour in the Clark Government, even though he was Minister of Foreign Affairs. No matter what he says Winston will go with the party that offers the biggest baubles benefitting him alone, the rest of his party are merely bidding chips at his disposal. he will be available but at a very high dead rat price.

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  14. Viking2 (11,576 comments) says:

    Well Peter’s in no different ti the slimy Nats who are about to pass legislation lowering the alcohol limit using the cover of darkness , the Commonwealth Games and the last few days lack of interest by the Press.

    What’s next. Well Les Mills is today telling its “members how they will dress. Soon the Nats willl be telling us the same and we will all be tattooed in hijabs.

    Fucking useless wet liberal wanks.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11301068

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/election-2014/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503581&objectid=11301094

    Doesn’t anyone in the National Party have any balls anymore?

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  15. Unity (611 comments) says:

    Hear, hear, Akaroa. My sentiments exactly. I’ve been trying to get through to the powers that be for a long time that we should all put the past behind us and move forward together without any of this ridiculous and disgraceful privilege based on race. It doesn’t help those at the bottom of the heap and just keeps them in grievance mode. We should be promoting our good points and encouraging everyone to aspire to do well. Imagine the dollars that would be available for the benefit of everyone if we stopped funding things based on race. We are all human beings after all, with the same basic needs.

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  16. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    “Winston Peters says NZ First will sit in Opposition rather than go into coalition with any “race based” party.”

    He’s in a race based party. Or has Winnie dropped the “yellow hordes are invading NZ” shtick.?

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  17. Harriet (5,145 comments) says:

    …”….Helen Clark has already had a pretty good look at race based laws..” – John Key.

    So National is beholden to the expertise of Helen Clark then?

    Vote National and get the UN. Fuck that.

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  18. Redbaiter (9,657 comments) says:

    Helen Key’s aversion to Conservatism has seen the National Party refuse a deal with Colin Craig. That’s fine, but some of the main reasons behind this decision were the Conservative Party’s open opposition to Maori supremacy and separatism and its opposition to one of Key’s main ambitions, changing the NZ flag.

    Coalition options still remain for National. It allowed the horrible Constitutional Review as a condition of its alliance with the racist Party last election. This time any such coalition will no doubt include support for compulsory Maori language being taught in schools.

    So if you vote for National you’re giving tacit approval for further alliances with separatists who want to (like Key) change the flag and force NZers to speak a language they in the main do not want to. IOW you can watch the old NZ that you value slide further into history.

    If enough people vote Conservative this will provide leverage to stop the separatism, stop the flag change and stop forced Maori language instruction.

    If you care about these things, the Conservative Party is all you have. Who knows, the Conservatives may even be able to end the TOW rip off and also close the Constitutional review. Not a great chance, but worth a vote I reckon.

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  19. ShawnLH (5,758 comments) says:

    RedNutter rants: “Helen Key’s aversion to Conservatism has seen the National Party refuse a deal with Colin Craig.”

    Bollocks. The real reason was that it was not possible to do a deal in ECB without potentially damaging National and giving the opposition a fat target to aim at. It was strategy, not ideology, and the CP are hardly all that conservative to begin with. On economic issues they are to the Left of National, which means if you weren’t being a hypocrite you should be decrying them as traitors to “The Cause.”

    “but some of the main reasons behind this decision were the Conservative Party’s open opposition to Maori supremacy and separatism”

    Bollocks again. National is prepared to do deals with both ACT and NZF which have the same policies as the CP on that issue.

    “So if you vote for National you’re giving tacit approval for further alliances with separatists who want to (like Key) change the flag and force NZers to speak a language:

    Bollocks, again, and a lie. The compulsory te reo in schools is not and never has been a National party policy.

    So, got anything else other than bollocks and lies RedNutter?

    “IOW you can watch the old NZ that you value slide further into history.”

    Yeah, it was so much better when the darkies knew their place, eh Reddy?

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  20. Tarquin North (365 comments) says:

    Winston assumes he is going to get in. I’m not so sure. The only reason he and his merry band of halfwits got in last time was the protest vote from right leaning people who didn’t want assett sales. I know plenty of people who voted this way and it gives me great pleasure to remind them they voted for the weather man, the ex mayor and urinator, and good old Asenati the woman who makes a chocolate fish look intelligent. I can’t see that happening again.

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  21. David Garrett (7,565 comments) says:

    Stephen2: im not sure who u think I “jumped on” earlier…I think Adolf might have hit the proberbial nail when he said rhe the”part” of him which is Maori is the sense of humour….something u seem to have missed out on…

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  22. big bruv (14,165 comments) says:

    “Winston Peters says NZ First will sit in Opposition”

    Anybody who believes that (including Political Journo’s) is a fucking moron.

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  23. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    “I don’t see a place for a Winston Peters-led New Zealand First in a government that I lead.” 2 February 2011.

    Anybody who believed that (including Political Journo’s) was a f* moron.

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  24. gravedodger (1,573 comments) says:

    @ Tarquin North, an oversight I am sure.
    You missed from your list Dennis O’Corner Section who shares a house but not the letter box, another failed localbody poly.

    Trust Winston First. Sure can (of shit)

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  25. Muzza M (292 comments) says:

    @Tarquin North 12.18pm. Your chocolate fish remark had me in stitches for 30 minutes. Thanks, I was well in need of a good laugh.

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  26. Tarquin North (365 comments) says:

    If only it wasn’t true Muzza! You’re right gravedodger, I couldn’t remember his name.

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  27. OneTrack (3,237 comments) says:

    Vote Winston, enable Green, Labour, Mana, Internet, …..

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