RIP Kevin Skinner

July 22nd, 2014 at 3:00 pm by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Legendary All Blacks prop has died in Auckland, aged 86.

Skinner died over the weekend, a New Zealand spokesman confirmed today.

He played 20 tests and 63 games all told for the All Blacks during an international career that spanned 1949 to 1956.

He was a hard-nosed, durable and tough prop who had his finest moments in the 1956 series against South Africa when he came out of retirement for the last two tests and was credited with the being the man who regained the physical edge for the All Blacks.

The All Blacks won the second test 17-10 in Christchurch and the decider 11-5 in Auckland.

Skinner was also renowned for his boxing prowess, and was the 1947 New Zealand heavyweight boxing champion.

His recall for the 3rd test in 1956 was an act of genius. The South African front row were basically thugs, so we decided to play their game. They would grab testicles of the All Blacks and the like.

Skinner floored Koch with a right hook that could be clearly heard far away. I know one of the doctors who was on duty at the local hospital and Koch was still unconscious when he arrived. How Skinner wasn’t sent out, let alone even penalised I don’t know. But it worked – the South Africans stopped playing dirty.

Skinner is reputed to be the most hated All Black in South Africa. That would be a worthy epitaph for his gravestone!

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68 Responses to “RIP Kevin Skinner”

  1. MT_Tinman (3,092 comments) says:

    How Skinner wasn’t sent out, let alone even penalised I don’t know.

    I do, NZ referee.

    You do however highlight what many forget, front row play in those days often had little to do with rugby

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  2. tom hunter (4,643 comments) says:

    Boy oh boy, I can’t wait for Longknives and BigBruv to join this thread.

    It’ll make the Hamas debates look like a tea party.

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  3. Mark1 (90 comments) says:

    The subsequent crippling kick on Tiny White proved what a bunch of thugs those Boers were.

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  4. Don the Kiwi (1,677 comments) says:

    I was at that test match as a schoolboy in fourth form.

    I still remember the scrum that got the Saffas sorted. The scrum went down, and a few seconds later Koch’s he was jolted backwards out of the packed scrum.

    Problem solved, and a cheer went up from the crowd. I think if Skinner had been sent off, the entire crowd would have invaded the paddock.

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  5. big bruv (13,656 comments) says:

    “Skinner is reputed to be the most hated All Black in South Africa.”

    As he would have been in NZ if he had been a South African and cheated in the same manner.

    Skinner assaulted two men because they were better players than he was, the man might have been worthy of praise in other areas of his life but certainly not on the rugby field.

    Frankly DPF I am amazed that you of all people buy into the crap that was produced by sycophantic rugby Journalists, if NZ won that “test series” it was probably because they were bigger thugs than the South Africans.

    What can we expect next?, a post praising the “skills” of Richard Loe?,

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  6. big bruv (13,656 comments) says:

    “I think if Skinner had been sent off, the entire crowd would have invaded the paddock.”

    So basically nothing has changed really in 58 years, NZ teams still win at home because the referees are too scared to penalise them. I guess it explains how McCaw gets away with it.

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  7. big bruv (13,656 comments) says:

    “The subsequent crippling kick on Tiny White proved what a bunch of thugs those Boers were.”

    Lol…but what a hero Skinner was aye.

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  8. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    We’ll ask Paul Carozza for an opinion on Richard Loe’s attributes, thank you.

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  9. JMS (317 comments) says:

    NZ teams still win at home because the referees are too scared to penalise them.

    Is anywhere else in the world any different?

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  10. big bruv (13,656 comments) says:

    JMS

    “Is anywhere else in the world any different?”

    Yes, everywhere else . If you go to any country that does not pretend that Rugby is a world game then the crowds are far more reasonable. They go along to watch a game and be entertained. They do not go along thinking that their nations identity rests on the result of a game that very few in the world care about.

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  11. RRM (9,745 comments) says:

    You weren’t picked for the first XV as a schoolboy then BB? ;-)

    Anyone would think participating in rugger was compulsory… take it easy!

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  12. JMS (317 comments) says:

    BB,

    I largely agree with you regarding Rugby, but what if the national game is Football?

    There’s often huge pressure on the referees to give the home side the benefit of the doubt.

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  13. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    There have been some studies that suggest ‘home’ advantage consists largely in the pressure on the referee.

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  14. Nostalgia-NZ (5,079 comments) says:

    The guy that was advocating death squads thinks front rowers are rough for sorting out their problems with their dukes. Sure.

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  15. Jack5 (5,001 comments) says:

    Big Spiv at 4pm:

    If you go to any country that does not pretend that Rugby is a world game then the crowds are far more reasonable.

    Really?

    Have a look at this:

    http://soccerlens.com/football-violence-worst-football-riots/23093/

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  16. Jimbo (42 comments) says:

    How come John Key hasn’t been asked if he supported the 1956 tour?

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  17. big bruv (13,656 comments) says:

    Jack5

    Touch a raw nerve did I?

    Silly me, I thought this thread was about a Rugby Player.

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  18. big bruv (13,656 comments) says:

    Nostalgia-NZ

    Death squads are too good for some criminal scum.

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  19. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    “How Skinner wasn’t sent out, let alone even penalised I don’t know.”

    Because the All Blacks have always been above the rules! Tana Umaga and ‘Good Christian Boy’ Mealamu should have got six months for attacking O’Driscoll and trying to break his neck but instead they attained ‘folk hero’ status in NZ for their vile attack and O’Driscoll was labelled a ‘cry baby’ by NZ media/fans.
    I have never supported the All Blacks since Henry and his cohorts sat smirking through the subsequent press conference..

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  20. SGA (981 comments) says:

    @DPF

    Skinner floored Koch with a right hook that could be clearly heard far away. I know one of the doctors who was on duty at the local hospital and Koch was still unconscious when he arrived.

    I always had the impression that Koch was knocked down, lost teeth, but finished the match?
    As an aside, Skinner and Koch (who’d come across each other during the 1949 tour of SA) were, by accounts, friends.

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  21. MT_Tinman (3,092 comments) says:

    Longknives Big Bruv will tell you my thoughts on the gutless thug Umaga but don’t get it wrong – O’Driscoll was/is a whinging crybaby.

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  22. Gulag1917 (850 comments) says:

    The Springboks got their well deserved comeuppance with Mr Skinner. Just look at the refereeing in South Africa pre approximately 1995 to see their tactics.

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  23. David Garrett (6,905 comments) says:

    Every night u retire to ur soft bed u shud thank ur lucky stars that Death Squads never got established here…and that u weren’t born in another Pacific country where the second family u destroyed wud have taken u out..

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  24. Jack5 (5,001 comments) says:

    Big Spiv at 4.27:

    Touch a raw nerve did I?

    Good old Big Spiv, ad hominem to the end.

    The only raw nerve of mine you’ve ever touched was when you called miners morons.

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  25. Gulag1917 (850 comments) says:

    International rugby especially in the forwards is dirty. Most teams are guilty of it so why single out NZ?

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  26. Sponge (157 comments) says:

    What can we expect next?, a post praising the “skills” of Richard Loe?,

    One of our best ever props.

    You are comparing the mores of today with the mores of yesterday BB. Rugby was different then. I am not saying it was for the better but it was different.

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  27. dad4justice (8,017 comments) says:

    Kevin Skinner was a great All Black legend I was most impressed how he sorted out those cheating yarpies. It was players like him that I modeled my game on and in a first 15 clash with Ch Ch Boys High I got rather stressed when Richard Loe booted Andy Earl on the ground, so I let rip and all hell broke loose. It was a great game and he all had a huge party together that Saturday night. When your in the engine room of a rugby team you do what you must do to protect and honour your fellow team mates. Obviously the disturbed bigot blouse was used as a tackling bag at high school hence his dribble on this thread. Rugby is a game for hard men not big blouses.

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  28. Gulag1917 (850 comments) says:

    BB has got a few traumas, Christianity and rugby etc. Talk it out BB.

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  29. James Stephenson (2,123 comments) says:

    it was probably because they were bigger thugs than the South Africans.

    Yeah, but that was the game in those days. It really isn’t unique to NZ or SA either, us Lions fans still glory in Willie John McBride and the ’99’ call.

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  30. SGA (981 comments) says:

    Sponge at 4:57 pm

    You are comparing the mores of today with the mores of yesterday BB. Rugby was different then. I am not saying it was for the better but it was different.

    True that … http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99_call
    Opps…snap.

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  31. dad4justice (8,017 comments) says:

    And bigot blouse don’t you start on Bill Bush or I will send him around.

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  32. Ricardo (54 comments) says:

    Wasn’t it the 4th test? And Skinner only gave the ‘Boks some of their own back. Koch and Bekker were pretty dirty players.

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  33. SGA (981 comments) says:

    @Ricardo
    No – Koch didn’t play in the 4th test. Skinner was recalled for the 3rd and 4th.

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  34. stephieboy (2,616 comments) says:

    I think Kevin Sinner would be a good subject for a movie or docudrama actually with a good enough script and story. line Certainly a man of his times. The controversies and bitterness between the A Bs and Boks are a a part of that would also need to feature . ( a lot of mythologizing from both sides )
    But his boxing career would also be needed to be added to the mix.
    Fascinating story there.

    Wasn’t Richard Loe good at ” facials “. ?

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  35. big bruv (13,656 comments) says:

    Jack5

    You really should get it right. I said that miners who joined unions are morons.

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  36. big bruv (13,656 comments) says:

    Koch was so good at the game that he had destroyed the best that NZ could put up against him. To defeat the Boks NZ had to resort to cheating.

    Why do you guys struggle with this unarguable fact?

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  37. dad4justice (8,017 comments) says:

    bigot blouse were you a tackle bag at a Catholic Boys High School?

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  38. RRM (9,745 comments) says:

    Spoken to a couple of old boys this afternoon who were present at that 1956 test match; both said Skinner was far more than that one punch, a truly great player.

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  39. big bruv (13,656 comments) says:

    This thread is outstanding!

    Rarely have I seen so much hypocrisy in one place, it I laughable.

    And, as an added bonus we now find out that D4J once floored Richard Loe in a first XV game.

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  40. dad4justice (8,017 comments) says:

    More lies from the disturbed and vindictive big blouse where do I say I ” floored” Richard Loe. Obviously you were a tackle bag at a Catholic Boys High School what other reason can explain your continued pathological lying? Your intense hatred of the great game of rugby and Christianity are signs of someone being crashed tackled and rucked over too many times. Haha . Give up loser. Haha.

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  41. big bruv (13,656 comments) says:

    You seem to be best mates with a whole lot of NZ rugby players D4J including Richard Loe as well as your good mate McCaw. I suppose you are also well aquatinted with Blackadder and Thorne?

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  42. dad4justice (8,017 comments) says:

    “Spoken to a couple of old boys this afternoon who were present at that 1956 test match; both said Skinner was far more than that one punch, a truly great player.”

    Well said RRM.

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  43. lilman (948 comments) says:

    Not going to bag a man who’s family is greaving,except to say he was a product of his time.Hope he gets a good send off and his family gets to do him proud.
    Tough men for tough times.

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  44. tom hunter (4,643 comments) says:

    Well this thread has not disappointed:

    They do not go along thinking that their nations identity rests on the result of a game that very few in the world care about.

    True with most countries but with the subject here, South Africa – no. In fact in the days of Apartheid, Hell No. Which naturally leads into:

    NZ teams still win at home because the referees are too scared to penalise them.

    Maybe, as opposed to that 1976 test series against the Boks in South Africa that was just overflowing with fair and balanced refereeing.

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  45. big bruv (13,656 comments) says:

    Tom

    The 76 series will have been no different to any test series played here in the days of “neutral referees”. The fact that the greatest team to ever play in NZ (including all of the NZ national teams) the 71 Lions managed to win a series says so much about their ability.

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  46. dad4justice (8,017 comments) says:

    The 71 Lions were dicked at Lanc Park I can remember that game.The atmosphere was incredible with the 50,000 odd crowd. Those were the days.

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  47. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    ‘the greatest team to ever play in NZ’
    Better than the 1937 Springboks?

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  48. big bruv (13,656 comments) says:

    mikenmild

    Yes.

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  49. big bruv (13,656 comments) says:

    D4J

    What about the game they played against Canterbury when the gutless Canterbury team beat the shit out of Sandy Carmichael?

    How old would you have been when you went to the second test?

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  50. dad4justice (8,017 comments) says:

    bigot blouse – I was at the Canterbury verse Loins game in 1971. We lost the match played in front of 53,000 parochial fans but we won the punch up. Those poms got belted up big-time however they won the rugby. I thought this thread was about a former legend All Black called Kevin Skinner. There has been many teams far better than the 1971 Poms, but trying telling you is like talking to a concrete tunnel support.

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  51. big bruv (13,656 comments) says:

    D4J

    It comes as no surprise to me that you glory in the fact that the Canterbury V Lions game of 71 was nothing more than a bloodbath. The Gutless Canterbury players set out to maim as many of the Lions as possible. What ever you claim to have watched that day is can never be described as anything other than a disgrace.

    The fact that the gutless Canterbury side lost the game is no consolation to anybody.

    Also, if you claim there have been many better teams than the 71 Lions I would ask you to name three of them.

    Oh…and I assume you were about 15 or 16 when the Lions played Canterbury in 71?

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  52. stephieboy (2,616 comments) says:

    The 1971 Canterbury vs Lions match certainly was infamous and certainly destroys any illusions that NZ rugby is lily white and innocent.it was a terrible occasion and it wasn’t difficult for the NZ public to point the finger at Canterbury.

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  53. dad4justice (8,017 comments) says:

    bigot blouse you have accumulated nearly 70 down ticks on this thread attacking the credibility of a recently deceased All Black. Shame on you and I sincerely hope members of the Skinner family never get to read your malicious and outrageous rhetoric. What a despicable character you are.

    RIP Kevin Skinner.

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  54. big bruv (13,656 comments) says:

    D4J

    I congratulate you on being able to count to 70, it is an obvious improvement. Not bad for somebody who has repeatedly said he takes no notice of down ticks.

    Sadly it seems that you are still unable to refrain from telling porkies.

    Speaking of porkies, I am trying to work out which of the stories you have told tonight is a lie. Either you were in the same first fifteen as Andy Earl and played against Richard Loe (whilst giving him a bit of biffo) or you attended the Canterbury and NZ v Lions games in 1971 as a 14 or 15 year old. The thing is D4J you cannot have done both.

    Now, which one are you telling lies about?

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  55. dad4justice (8,017 comments) says:

    I was very fortunate to have a loving father that took me to watch rugby internationals at an early age.

    As I said before, what you have written on this thread is a disgrace to every living New Zealander. You are psychotic and unhinged and by the way I don’t lie, unlike you, anyway I’ve had enough of your vile cowardly tactics. Up your oxazepam and chlordiazepoxide meds,because tonight you have reached a new low. Never in my life have I seen such derogatory remarks about a recently departed All Black legend. Your status is pure scumbag and I know your character is unbearable to sane thinking kiwi folk. What a nasty creep you are.

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  56. Nookin (3,245 comments) says:

    Well, bruv. I guess you now know how Richard Loe felt after dad took him to the cleaners.

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  57. SGA (981 comments) says:

    @dad4justice at 8:02 pm

    There has been many teams far better than the 1971 Poms

    Poms? As I remember, it was the welsh, irish, and scots that made that team what it was. Coach was welsh too. Sheesh.
    Many far better teams to tour NZ? Many? Who are they? That 1971 Lions team also formed the nucleus of the 1974 Lions tour to SA that won 3 tests, drew 1, and won all 18 provincial matches. Can’t think of an NZ team that got close to that achievement.

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  58. Nostalgia-NZ (5,079 comments) says:

    I’d bet a dollar to a pound none of those front rowers ever moaned about Skinner, he didn’t become a legend because he was a girl’s skirt, nor were they. The South Africans would have had a more than grudging respect for him – when they got their senses back, if they had any to lose in the first place. I enjoyed playing rugby in Canterbury, I’d long admired their rucking style. Commiserations to the 71 ‘tos and froms.’

    Not to many heavyweight champs that turn up in Rugby, or league for that matter. Certainly Kevin, the only other I can recall is SBW and his grandfather who was league player out of the same club as Banks. There was also one of my college coaches, ex WW2 serviceman and NZ Champ, rangy and solid even at 50 who, when I replied to his question of where I played with ‘anywhere,’ immediately put me in the front row. He would have been a contemporary of KS, possibly fought him sometime in the amateur ranks or elsewhere.

    As for the Lions, I think they’re the only rugby team in the World that has to get 4 Countries together to form a half pie decent team.

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  59. SGA (981 comments) says:

    Nostalgia-NZ at 10:17 pm

    I’d bet a dollar to a pound none of those front rowers ever moaned about Skinner, he didn’t become a legend because he was a girl’s skirt, nor were they.

    Reminds me of a story I read once – looked it up to get it right

    McCarthy also related a conversation he had at the Test dinner after the Christchurch match with Springbok Jaapie Bekker.

    “Jaapie said, ‘Winston, wasn’t Kevin Skinner the heavyweight champion of New Zealand?’ I said, ‘Ja, that’s right. Back in 1947 I think it was, Jaapie. Heavyweight amateur champion’.

    “He said, ‘Does he still box in the right?’ ‘Oh no,’ I said, ‘Gee, Kev hasn’t been in the ring since 1947′. Jaapie said, ‘Well, tell him to take it on again. He’s bloody good.'”

    Add – McCarthy is Winston McCarthy – the legendary (ok to use that word, big bruv?) rugby broadcaster.

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  60. alex (302 comments) says:

    There is nothing more pathetic than a keyboard war over rugby fights.

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  61. SGA (981 comments) says:

    alex at 10:34 pm

    There is nothing more pathetic than a keyboard war over rugby fights.

    Except perhaps complaining about them when they’re on a thread about Kevin Skinner. What did you expect – the rules of tiddly-winks?

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  62. Nostalgia-NZ (5,079 comments) says:

    ‘Jaapie said, ‘Well, tell him to take it on again. He’s bloody good.’”

    What a beaut.

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  63. Gulag1917 (850 comments) says:

    Legend

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  64. big bruv (13,656 comments) says:

    “Add – McCarthy is Winston McCarthy – the legendary (ok to use that word, big bruv?) rugby broadcaster.”

    I am glad you called McCarthy a broadcaster and not a journalist. Anybody who stayed silent while Rugby teams of all Nations rampaged up and down this land wrecking hotel rooms and assaulting males and females does not deserve to be called a journalist.

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  65. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Not everone stayed silent about tourists’ antics. I seem to recall that Truth called the ’77 Lions ‘lousy lovers’!

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  66. big bruv (13,656 comments) says:

    mikenmild

    D4J probably knows them as well.

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  67. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    He’s quite a connected guy.

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  68. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    That the All Black’s most fervent supporter on here refers to the British Lions as “Poms” speaks volumes for the IQ of All Black supporters!
    Haka Schmaka…

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