Seymour in Epsom

July 27th, 2014 at 12:36 pm by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

has knocked on 8500 doors, wearing out shoe leather on the manicured streets of . He aims for 20 doorsteps in an hour, and is campaigning for six hours day to call on all 22,000 households in the electorate.

But what’s the point, you may ask? One nod from Prime Minister John Key would return ACT to Parliament, propping up the National Government as it has done since 2008. It is likely Key will signal this week which electorate deals National is prepared to sew up with smaller parties.

“I just say to people that I am going for every endorsement that I can get. John Key is an Epsom voter and I certainly hope he will vote for me,” Seymour says.

“Not to be too pernickity, you actually can’t have a deal, because deals have to be enforceable and votes are secret. Ultimately, it only works if the people of Epsom believe that I am the best candidate.”

Indeed. The voters of Epsom are quite capable of deciding who they want to be their MP. A party can state a preference for how its supporters should vote, but it is up to the voters.

Good to see David campaigning the old fashioned way of knocking on every door in the electorate.

So why did a bright 31-year-old, give up a successful career as a policy analyst in Canada, to campaign for a party most people have long since written off? He’s not getting paid, and is supporting himself with some contract work and the generosity of friends and family.

His love life has also taken a hit.

“What I have discovered is girlfriends like you to stay in the same country, and moving back between New Zealand and Canada every two or three years has not been conducive. My philosophy also is that obviously no-one wants to be lonely for their whole life but the best way to deal with that is to be the happiest, most attractive person you can and that means doing what you like and what you are good at.”

Long-distance relationships suck, basically. You can do it for a while, but not great fun.

Seymour says he has “really strong beliefs” and it is important someone represents free market views. He wants to shrug off ACT’s stuffy image as a party of stale, white businessmen.

“I want to be the representative of a whole generation of people who are young, entrepreneurial and never lived under Rob Muldoon . . . you know Lorde, Eleanor Catton, Lydia Ko, Xero in business . . . you walk around Auckland and it’s a fantastic time.”

What is scary is we still have MPs in Parliament who entered when Muldoon was Prime Minister!

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61 Responses to “Seymour in Epsom”

  1. mjw (396 comments) says:

    Great to see good old-fashioned retail politics. Good on him. Not sure parliament will be the best place to develop an enduring new relationship though.

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  2. Redbaiter (8,927 comments) says:

    Yes, I agree that David shows a fine political work ethic however he needs to explain why if ACT is the “party of principle”, it seeks the endorsement of and a coalition with a party (National) that in practice opposes almost everything the ACT party professes to stand for.

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  3. radvad (765 comments) says:

    Heard him speak last night and had a chat with him. Very impressive.

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  4. thor42 (971 comments) says:

    Good on him for getting out there and having a go.

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  5. JC (956 comments) says:

    Sure, he’s likely to get the nod from Key but he knows it will be undeserved if he isn’t seen to be incredibly hard working at introducing himself and his policies. Good on him.

    JC

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  6. iMP (2,385 comments) says:

    The coat-tailing thing will hurt him, and may sink ACT altogether in 2014. I’m not sure Epsom’s story is closed yet, however.

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  7. David Garrett (7,290 comments) says:

    Red: that will be because Seymour is a great deal smarter than you, and realises that when you are two or five -as we were in 2008-11 – there is a limited amount you can achieve…You can embarrass the major party by bagging it at every opportunity – and thereby achieve nothing – or you can pick your battles and get something done…as we did in 2008-11

    Unlike you, Seymour understands that reality..

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  8. Tauhei Notts (1,715 comments) says:

    Hey Radvad, I was the auctioneer!
    Did you bid?

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  9. Redbaiter (8,927 comments) says:

    “Red: that will be because Seymour is a great deal smarter than you,”

    That you think its “smart” to say one thing and act in a way that contradicts what you have said shows why many NZers are fed up to the back teeth with politicians who cynically put their desperate need to be elected over and above the principle of simple and basic honesty.

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  10. smttc (752 comments) says:

    Bedwetter, you have just become the worst kind of troll using every post to simply bag National. Why don’t you fuck off back to that echo chamber of a blog of yours? The rest of us (with a few exceptions) want to discuss DPF’s posts.

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  11. dave53 (91 comments) says:

    What is scary is we still have MPs in Parliament who entered when Muldoon was Prime Minister!

    Winston Peters, for starters. That fossil first got in as MP for Hunua in an electoral court case in mid-1979. And he is still banging on about Cook Strait ferries!

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  12. Warren Murray (311 comments) says:

    Dave, hate it when Winston’s right.

    Kiwirail’s ‘investment’ in its ferries is a scandal.

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  13. David Garrett (7,290 comments) says:

    No Red…you may have heard the quote – attributed to Bismarck I think – “politics is the art of the possible”, usually taken to mean you achieve what it in all the circumstances it is possible to achieve.

    You are clearly a man of some intelligence…is it really that hard for you to comprehend that when you are a caucus of five – or nine for that matter, which was ACT’s best showing – you cannot dictate policy to the Big Brother with 50 or 55 seats?

    Read my 12.55 again…s l o w l y…..

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  14. David Garrett (7,290 comments) says:

    Warren: the Nats didn’t buy “Kiwirail”…sure they haven’t sold it – probably because it’s likely to be unsaleable – but they didn’t buy it either…

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  15. anticorruptionnz (215 comments) says:

    I am standing as an independent in Epsom I have lived here for over 30 years been part of the community, been on kindergarten committees ran, girl guides , been on school committees , my kids were born here and attended the local schools and clubs. I was a Police Sergeant in Newmarket and central. I have fought for transparency, presented a petition to parliament for an independent commission against corruption and been vocal on the injustice in our ” just is ” system .

    I wont be knocking on doors , if people dont recognize my track record then I cannot buy them by calling at their homes. those who know me, know where to find me and often ring for some advice which is given freely .

    Those pedaling religion or art work go door to door it is a sales technique which works on shallow people but those with intelligence will look beyond an introduction and a handshake and look at the long term and a candidate with a proven track record .

    In the end Epsom residents have not had representation in parliament for many years, they have been targeted to get ACT in . What has Act done for EPSOM ?

    It must be difficult for a man straight from overseas and representing a party which has supported a man subsequently convicted of a crime . Selling himself in the short term is probably his only chance . I personally hope that those whose lives I have touched over the years will give me the vote after all I am not asking any one to support a Party all I am standing for is to give Epsom a voice in parliament and do what I can to get justice in our courts and kerb ever growing corruption

    Grace Haden Independent standing for Epsom.

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  16. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    I don’t like ACT, they now seem to be more of a liberal party than the fiscal conservatives they once were.

    Douglas is the type who would see the sense in hypersexuals paying for their own expensive sexual healthcare costs – instead of socialising their unrestrained damaging behaviour onto others. Smokers and drinkers have to. I can’t see Lorde or Zero ever agreeing with that though.

    Douglas would also agree that WFF is a tax break and not welfare as very very few people recieve more than they are taxed, infact the most that anyone of them gets is $2500 pa! So why single people have to pay tax is a question for National and Labour to answer – not for those with children who keep and spend their own hard earned money to answer.

    Therefor the current crop of ACT voters I believe will no longer be fical conservatives but the same as National and Labour voters – socialists and social liberals.

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  17. doggone7 (806 comments) says:

    My doctor’s really old. He’s being doing it since Muldoon’s time so he should’ve been put down by now.

    He has these weird sayings too. They’re a sort of a cross between Confucianism and down-on-the-farm truisms.

    There’s one he trots out every three years which I like:

    “Knocking on doors does not make man wise or worthy. Knocking on more doors does not make man even more wise or worthy. He who knocks on most doors proves he is most unwise because each extra knock proves that the only thing he is really good at is knocking on doors.”

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  18. gump (1,649 comments) says:

    @harriet

    Act has always been a liberal party. They support the freedom of choice that you want taken away.

    I’m glad we have parties like Act to counter lunatics like you.

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  19. David Garrett (7,290 comments) says:

    Grace: You might get 100 votes…but good on you for giving it a go..

    doggone: Good point well made…one Mr Churchill managed to lead Britain through its darkest days when in his 60’s…and with the sort of personal habits that would make him unelectable today…

    If Peters actually stood for anything – other than self aggrandisement – it wouldn’t matter so much that he was pushing 70…

    And can anyone name anything the man has actually achieved in all those years?? It seems to me he began his career with scandals about the Cook Strait ferries, and 35 years later he is still at it…

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  20. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    I saw a piece on David Seymour on Q&A or The Nation (not sure). Reporter followed him as he door knocked and chatted with people in Epsom. He seemed like a pretty decent guy.

    Don’t think much of his leader, however. Every clip of him I see, he comes across as being horribly disappointed with the human race for not thinking the way he does! Oozes arrogance.

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  21. David Garrett (7,290 comments) says:

    bc: Whyte has one hell of a job on his hands…He has no political experience at all, and he is attempting to lead a party beset by scandal and problems…that would be a big ask for someone with considerable experience; it’s a massive ask for someone with none…

    On top of that, ACT has basically taken a huge gamble in making the leader and the candidate for Epsom different people…I for one certainly hope it comes off, but I wouldn’t bet the farm on it…

    He is a very smart guy…its a very fine line between false modesty and appearing smug…Rodney managed it…I was astounded to learn he has several degrees, including Masters in both Economics and Environmental Science…I bet not too many know that…

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  22. Bingo99 (88 comments) says:

    Seems a decent guy. A shame he has such short sighted and contradictory ideas on public transport and urban intensification. I guess it’s Epsom afterall.

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  23. David Garrett (7,290 comments) says:

    Bingo: Please enlighten us…what are Whyte’s (or do you mean Seymour’s?) “short sighted and contradictory ideas on public transport”? Would they perchance be pointing out that we don’t have the population density or demand for a London style Underground??

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  24. CharlieBrown (1,012 comments) says:

    I would love to see ACT get in with two seats, and be in opposition. NZ needs a party with ACT’s policies, however NZ also needs to turn the tide on socialism and the first step to start that process is for John Key to leave government. Socialism is a festering sore within the National party and I would rather see John Key out of government even if it means ACT leaves parliament. ACT is a force that could resurrect itself after a term out of government, NZ First proves it can be done.

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  25. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    Yes I agree, David. That’s the point I was trying to make – Whyte came across to me as a know-it-all, telling us all that we should be thinking like him. I know he is new to the job, some media training wouldn’t go amiss, or at least him giving the impression that he is willing to listen to others points of view.

    Seymour to me seemed pretty down to earth and easy-going,comfortable talking to the reporter as well as the citizens of Epsom as he was doing his door knocking. I would have him do more media interviews and have Whyte do less if I was ACT, but that’s just my opinion based on what I’ve seen of them on tv (I haven’t met either of them in the flesh).

    Just my 10c worth – not saying that it’s right or wrong. Not sure why that generates down ticks, but that’s kiwiblog for ya!

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  26. David Garrett (7,290 comments) says:

    bc: don’t worry about the downticks mate…waste of time trying to work out how morons brains work…or rather don’t…

    Whyte IS having media training…but as I say, it’s one helluva big ask he has taken on…the incest mis-step for example will haunt him forever…whenever the MSM want something to whack him with…and there is absolutely nothing he can do about it now…other than vow not to make the same kind of mistake again.

    to make it even worse, the MSM gives much greater scrutiny to missteps by the Right…look at the furore over Craig very unwisely speculating about the moon landings… THAT will follow HIM until the end of his career

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  27. wiseowl (895 comments) says:

    DG @1.32.
    But the racist Party did?

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  28. Gulag1917 (920 comments) says:

    Seymour says he has “really strong beliefs”
    Seems often to be focused on one belief, the economy. Chronic materialist?

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  29. anticorruptionnz (215 comments) says:

    @ David Garret

    I have stood in the past and had a damn sight more than 100 votes people are getting sick of the party politics and the flourishing corruption . Act has a proven track record of backing criminals if that is what you stand for and support then that is the government you get.

    those who commit crime naturally dont oppose it .

    My crime is exposing corruption whats yours .

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  30. kaykaybee (152 comments) says:

    A few weeks ago David knocked on my door. We were very impressed with him. He’s smart, well-informed, humorous, self-deprecating and determined. I see him regularly around these parts and I have in doubt he’ll have door knocked every house well before the election.

    I’m voting for him as are all my friends and acquaintances. Go the Seymour for ACT

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  31. Redbaiter (8,927 comments) says:

    “No Red…you may have heard the quote – attributed to Bismarck I think – “politics is the art of the possible”, usually taken to mean you achieve what it in all the circumstances it is possible to achieve.”

    Dave, my view is that ACT would be a benefit to the NZ parliament, with their candidates being so much better than so much of the worthless fluff in National.

    My point is they cannot call themselves the “party of principle” and suck up to Helen Key’s Nats at the same time. They can do one or the other only, or if they do both, risk being called out for posturing as something they are not.

    As for the rest of your comments, you need to get over your morbid fear of the MSM. They are largely a bunch of communists and they wield a lot of power for sure, but that does not mean we must bow down to them.

    If you don’t fight you lose, and the right must take the fight to the left wing media.

    Fuck those commie swine. One thing I promise you mate, if I was ever a politician none of those worthless scum would ever make me shed a tear.

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  32. Redbaiter (8,927 comments) says:

    “don’t worry about the downticks mate…waste of time trying to work out how morons brains work…or rather don’t…”

    Agree with you there.

    With Key dragging the center so far left, his supporters here have made it little different to the Standard.

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  33. Steve Wrathall (284 comments) says:

    Of course, expect the usual suspects to try to sink ACT by contriving polls closer to the election purporting to show that David has no show in Epsom. Hoping that voters have short memories about the fact that ACT has won Epsom 3 times, and no poll has ever shown that we would.

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  34. anticorruptionnz (215 comments) says:

    Great to see that bully tactics are alive and well also on this blog. In reality we condone bullying that is how NZ functions.

    If that is how Act supporters behave to behave then that is certainly a reason why we would not want Act in parliament.

    Grow up

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  35. David Garrett (7,290 comments) says:

    Where’s the “bullying” you silly bint? Predicting that my might get 100 votes?

    Red: I have told you many times…Get 500 like minded souls around you, and stand for parliament…show us all how it’s done…

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  36. anticorruptionnz (215 comments) says:

    There is a concept known as Darvo.

    Abusers use it

    DENY
    Attack
    and reverse victim and offender

    in my humble opinion that fits you davit for your information the last time I stood I got some 4,000 votes .

    just shows that you are all bull shit yes we need more like you in government and less like me after all I may just upset some ones private venture from the public purse.

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  37. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    “…..@harriet
    Act has always been a liberal party. They support the freedom of choice that you want taken away.
    I’m glad we have parties like Act to counter lunatics like you….”

    No. I believe ACT will restrict my choices.
    Douglas I believe would allow me to pay for my own and no one elses unrestrained sexual practises, either via health insurance or Pay As You Go treatment like we do with dentistry.

    Current ACT will remain unopposed to reduceing public funding for sexual healthcare. All taxpayers will then have to pay for irresponsable sexual behaviour unlike they do for excessive smokers and drinkers.

    If children can be taught to restrain themselves from excess sugar consumption, then I’m sure we can teach adults to restrain themselves from unhealthy sexual behaviours. Tax has proven to be better at ‘educating’ adults where alcohol and smoking are concerned, and PAYG sexual healthcare will do the same.

    The healthcare budget should not be used to fund unproductive and damaging sexual lifestyles.

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  38. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    @anti-right-wing-corruption-only
    “Act has a proven track record of backing criminals”

    So does Labour, but I don’t see you or Ms. Bright running for marginal Labour seats.

    Edit: Look, you’re not fooling anyone with your sanctimonious hypocrisy, I don’t know why you bother coming here.

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  39. Radman (143 comments) says:

    Well, I’m a leftie living in Wellington and can’t say I’ve met Seymour, but my sister has and woman are always right! She lives in Epsom and has met Seymour twice and thinks he’s great! I’d vote for a liberal candidate in Epsom as long as it’s not that knob Craig’s Colon!!

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  40. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    Poor Harriet…..your obsession with other people’s sex lives is taking its toll. If you want to smoke, drink, eat chocolate or wank we’re quite happy for you to do your thing.

    Why not extend us the same courtesy?

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  41. David Garrett (7,290 comments) says:

    Grace: You are a very angry person if I may say so…You got 4000 votes as an independent? Well double “good on you”…I shall follow with interest your fortunes on election night..

    What’s an electorate size in NZ these days…40,000 or something?? 10% of that is no mean feat…

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  42. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    “….Poor Harriet…..your obsession with other people’s sex lives is taking its toll. If you want to smoke, drink, eat chocolate or wank we’re quite happy for you to do your thing.

    Why not extend us the same courtesy?…..”

    I have no issue with smoking, drinking alcohol or cosuming sugar.

    Nasska, wanking and the like is socialised healthcare. Dental, smoking and drinking for the most part isn’t.

    Why not extend me the courtesy of allowing me to keep my own money? —- Drinkers & smokers don’t demand I pay for their excesses. Why are hypersexuals allowed to demand I pay for their excesses?

    ‘poor’ old Nasska. :cool:

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  43. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ nasska (10,639 comments) says:
    July 27th, 2014 at 6:08 pm

    So eloquent Nasska. You have such a way with words! :P

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  44. William of Ockham (39 comments) says:

    My doctor told me I had to stop masturbating. Mind you, she was examining me at the time.

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  45. David Garrett (7,290 comments) says:

    Wanking is “socialised medicine”?? that’s a new one!

    An old mate of my used to be thoroughly amused by the definition of masturbation in a 19th Century dictionary…

    “bodily self pollution”…God knows what people looking it up made of that…

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  46. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    @DG and 19th century doctors used to induce orgasms in women as a cure for “hysteria”… weird how different the attitudes in society were then.

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  47. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    Apparently the results can be quite ghastly David G. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/v71bxmxvyag55vt/ill457.jpg

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  48. David Garrett (7,290 comments) says:

    adze: Are you sure you are not making conclusions from a certain movie of the same name?? good movie though…

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  49. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    DG: Well, you had me worried then, because I hadn’t even heard of said movie until you mentioned it. :) Fearing it was an urban legend I did some googling. Inconclusive results but according to Psychology today the vibrator was invented as a “labour saving device” for doctors tired of giving handjobs to women :

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201303/hysteria-and-the-strange-history-vibrators

    PS I hope Seymour doesn’t read this thread :)

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  50. Pete George (23,568 comments) says:

    I heard David speak and had a chance to talk to him when he was in Dunedin last weekend. He’s intelligent, articulate and an interesting speaker. I think he would be a good MP for Act and Parliament.

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  51. David Garrett (7,290 comments) says:

    PG: I agree…but will he make it do you think? and if he does, will he bring his leader with him?

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  52. Pete George (23,568 comments) says:

    I think David has a reasonable chance of winning Epsom, he’s doing the hard yards and seems to be getting good results.

    I like Jamie, I met him too, but he may come across as too intellectual and serious. He has to learn how to engage more effectively.

    A lot may come down to the minor leader’s debates and how he stacks up. ACT has to find a way of getting it acorss that they are seriously intent on rebuilding.

    I think they made the right decision giving leadership to Jamie and Epsom to David and splitting the responsibilities.

    I like the look of ACT far more this time than in 2011 in the Brash/Banks debacle, but I don’t know if voters will see it the same.

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  53. lolitasbrother (698 comments) says:

    goodstuff, nothing less than we expected, now East Coast Bays

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  54. lolitasbrother (698 comments) says:

    We need to win this election for our beloved New Zealand .
    We will not tolerate defeat.
    In my opinion Murray should relinquish East Coast to Conservative. This way we win. Add the figures .

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  55. The Silent Majority (88 comments) says:

    We passed a Seymour billboard tonight coming home from a function at Epsom Girls Grammar. My husband said “he looks like Scooby Doo”. I laughed and laughed. Funny because it is so true! Poor boy!

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  56. lolitasbrother (698 comments) says:

    yes dear friends ,
    would you like a majority of a weakling PM orchestrated by Laille and CrimDot.Con,
    and Green money printer Norman, and of Winston
    or would you like a good New Zealand where we are proud again,
    Vote for New Zealand,
    I am hoping PM will go with Conservative, just my punt,we must win

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  57. Bingo99 (88 comments) says:

    Garrett: the Loop isn’t intended to replicate London and you know it. It’s a small addition to the network that helps realise the investment in Britomart and increases capacity and reliability across the entire network. It also spurs intensification of development in the immediate vicinity, relieving pressure on Auckland’s suburbs. The very suburbs that Seymour wants to protect from such development.

    So, no City Loop because, what, too pricey (?), despite the free market concept of realising investment potential and the huge efficiency gains it brings, not to mention economic and property development, alongside increasing access to major employment centres across the city for workers in outer suburbs.

    And of course we’ll have those suburbs because of urban sprawl, brought about by artificial restrictions imposed by an interfering bureaucracy on density increases in suburbs like those in Epsom. And who supports that restriction of development and private sector development? Why, Seymour.

    So yeah, I’ll believe he’s an economic liberal when he demonstrates it in real life. Until then he’s just pandering to economic conservatives and self interested proprty owners in Epsom. Meanwhile, Aucklanders everywhere miss out on the benefits of a significant but necessary investment. All for some inconsistent ideology and short-sightedness. Just for a change, eh?

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  58. eszett (2,410 comments) says:

    Indeed. The voters of Epsom are quite capable of deciding who they want to be their MP. A party can state a preference for how its supporters should vote, but it is up to the voters.

    Good to see David campaigning the old fashioned way of knocking on every door in the electorate.

    You mean as opposed to Paul Goldsmith who is not campaigning at all?

    How come he is not knocking on doors and asking to be the voters representative, I wonder?

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  59. publicwatchdog (2,596 comments) says:

    Does the ACT candidate for Epsom, David Seymour, support what used to be ACT policy – ‘One law for all’?

    Yes or no?

    If ‘yes’ – did David Seymour support (former) ACT Party Leader, John Banks, being tried for electoral fraud?

    If ‘yes’ – is there any evidence to support that?

    Does the ACT candidate for Epsom, David Seymour believe that (former) ACT Party Leader, John Banks, should be jailed for electoral fraud?

    (Remembering that former Labour Party MP Taito Phillip Field, was jailed for 6 years for ‘bribery and corruption of an MP’ and ‘attempting to pervert the course of justice’ ?)

    If not – why not?

    Penny Bright

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  60. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Does the ACT candidate for Epsom, David Seymour, pay his rates?

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  61. Radman (143 comments) says:

    We passed a Seymour billboard tonight coming home from a function at Epsom Girls Grammar. My husband said “he looks like Scooby Doo”. I laughed and laughed. Funny because it is so true! Poor boy!

    That is a nasty thing to say, Karen!

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