Shearer backs drilling

July 13th, 2014 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

Deep sea drilling would continue under a Government, but with more safety regulations in case it goes “very very wrong”, ’s energy and resources spokesman David Shearer said this morning.

Mr Shearer appeared on The Nation this morning to talk about Labour’s oil drilling policy.

“We support oil drilling [and] we have done in the past, there’s no major change there,” he said.

Here’s the problem. Shearer supports it and says it will continue as Energy Spokesperson. But their environmental spokesperson will put out releases condemning it, and their candidates lead marches against it. They try to be all things to all people.

23 Responses to “Shearer backs drilling”

  1. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (1,293 comments) says:

    Does anybody care about what Shearer says? Moving on bros….

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  2. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

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  3. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Sir Cullen’s Sidekick (764 comments) says:
    July 13th, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    Does anybody care about what Shearer says? Moving on bros….

    And yet, here you are, posting in a thread headed with his name, a thread that you must have clicked on to enter 😛

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  4. All_on_Red (3,498 comments) says:

    How many accidents have occurred in NZ since drilling started?

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  5. duggledog (2,357 comments) says:

    It’s entirely irrelevant whether Labour say they are pro drilling or not, anything to do with fossil fuels will be a bottom line for the Green Party without whom Labour cannot govern. Was Shearer grilled about this?

    Plus whatever the Labour party say in the run up to the GE will be viewed by very jaundiced eyes IMHO

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  6. ShawnLH (14,375 comments) says:

    Labour are lying. They are fundamentally dishonest. They cannot both support something and condemn it at the same time. And no amount of spin can make their stance on this anything other than bullshit.

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  7. tvb (5,510 comments) says:

    Labour s faking it trying to be all things to all people. Their party is run by rich white men but they fake that by having quotas for women Maori rainbow etc. But the distribution of power is firmly in the hands of white guys.

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  8. David Garrett (10,969 comments) says:

    duggle: You have put your finger on it…opposition to exploitation of fossils fuels is absolute bedrock Green policy…it’s what lies behind their opposition to fracking (they don’t know much about it, but it makes a well produce more, so they are against it), seismic surveying (its NOT about the whales, it’s because a seismic survey is the precursor to a well)…

    In other words the Greens would rather stay pure in opposition rather than get into bed with a Labour Party that is pro oil exploration…

    tvb: I don’t quite know how you can say that when they were led by the She Beast and her cabal for nine years…and led ably you’d have to concede…

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  9. smttc (826 comments) says:

    Judith, stop being a plonker. You are showing your ignorance of how politics and political parties actually work.

    All things to all people indeed.

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  10. Crusader (376 comments) says:

    Labour want to drill for oil, but of course this is irrelevant. Since Labour will be held to ransom by the Greens, without whom they cannot form a Government. The Greens will no way allow drilling for oil, they will tax your car and make you ride expensive electric buses that do not go where you want them to. And call it a “smart economy”. FFS.

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  11. David Garrett (10,969 comments) says:

    All on Red: I know your question is directed at the all wise Judith, but it’s a good one..

    The New Zealand oil industry has an excellent safety record…The only (minor) blowout onshore was about 40 years ago near what is now the McKee field, New Zealand’s first significant on-shore oil field. The blowout was contained in a few hours, and, so far as I know, there was minimal environmental damage. To be fair, in the 70’s “the environment” wasn’t the holy shibboleth it is today, so there may have been more than minor contamination of waterways. Certainly the area has been just like any other Taranaki farmland since the 1980’s…I worked on a major seismic survey which covered the area in 1981…there was no sign of any environmental damage.

    As far as I am aware there has never been an offshore blowout in New Zealand waters. There have been rumours since the 70’s of a blowout on a Hunt Petroleum semi-submersible drilling in the Great South Basin, but I understand what blew out of the hole before the Blow out Preventer (BOP) closed was drilling mud not oil…To the unitiated drilling mud can look very like oil, and in any blowout, the mud in the well bore comes out before oil.

    Again to be fair, the major reason companies are so careful is not sensitivity over the environment of NZ, it is cost, and reputation…Offshore rigs now cost maybe UDS1 million PER DAY to operate, and the services of well control specialists are not cheap…The late great Red Adair used to say “If they need to ask what I charge they don’t need me”.

    Any drilling contractor whose hole blew out here would be instantly persona non grata in the rest of the industry for years..what oil company would want to employ a contractor who presided over a blowout??

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  12. I Say Look Here (80 comments) says:

    @ Judith

    So are Labour going to drill or not?

    It’s obvious no-one officially connected with Labour can answer that question. And surely anyone thinking about voting for them is entitled to know whether they can trust the pronouncements of their various spokespeople or not.

    Trying to portray this as Labour being all about the art of compromise is the most amusing piece of self-serving sophistry I’ve heard for a long time.

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  13. OneTrack (4,602 comments) says:

    crusader – “Labour want to drill for oil,”

    I don’t see how anyone can say that. Shearer said something possibly sympathetic to drilling. What does the rest of the Labour caucus think? What does Cunliffe think? This just sounds like them (Shearer) just saying what they think their audience if the day wants to hear. Following in the example set by his “leader”. Yeah, nah.

    What will they actually do in government? The answer to that is, only what Russel will let them do.

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  14. KapitiCoast (114 comments) says:

    @ Judith
    “Trying to be all things to the electorate is exactly what a decent government should do. Trying to find a way to fit the needs (not necessarily the wants) of all New Zealanders is very much what I would expect from a government”

    And I think we would all agree with that sentiment, but with Labour under Cunliffe he is saying one thing to one audience and another to a different audience that are completely opposite. And as DPF says above how can you truly have a party that is cohesive and pulling in the same direction when, in this instance, energy spokesperson saying YES others publically saying NO and the leader not giving a definite YES or NO to the same question and all the while Labour MP’s marching behind Green protests against it…confused much?

    I suspect you must get up early each day and look at any Labour press releases and know what’s a YES that day and what’s a NO that day and then, without questioning, parrot and shrill the YES/NO until the next morning and just pray that the shrilling of NO one day isn’t the same shrilling another day of YES…must be exhausting for you and this is why Key will take great delight in dismantling Cunliffe’s policies and confidence during the debates….but I will assume it will be the media being biased if they dare say the debate(s) were a win to National/Key!

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  15. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (1,293 comments) says:

    Judith (7,222 comments) says:
    July 13th, 2014 at 12:05 pm

    That is to stop my DPF friends wasting their time!! But I welcome you to post as you please 🙂 Shearer will be history come September 20th.

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  16. tspoon765 (30 comments) says:

    Labours drilling policy is only soundbite deep. Drilling companies typically transport their rig to NZ, drill the well, then leave. Mandating a certain level of local workers would mean laying off (some of) the staff they have already, and hiring locals. Those locals may or may not be experienced, but either way they certainly won’t have the level of experience with the particular equipment that the incumbent staff had. Recipe for disaster. Once the wells are drilled and the drilling company leave, they either have to take the kiwis with them, or try to find their old staff, who’ve probably got new jobs by now. So you have either a company with it’s ability to perform further work safely seriously compromised by such stupidity, or a company that agrees that wherever it goes in the world, it will hire a certain % of kiwis. Utterly ludicrous, the thought that international companies would submit to (practically) a world wide kiwi worker quota. Only the political party that thinks it can outsmart facebook could realistically be this stupid.

    Additionally, any company that agreed to such conditions could realistically be assumed to be a company not overly worried about safety, compounding the likelihood of disaster. The policy basically can’t do what it claims, in fact it does the opposite, and clearly suffers greatly from the delusional tendencies of those who wrote it.

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  17. David Garrett (10,969 comments) says:

    tspoon: Drilling contractors who come here have always hired local hands…at least to perhaps derrickman level…There is now a huge pool of kiwis who have experience at least as a roughneck offshore…and roughnecks don’t have anything to do with well control (except perhaps hauling hoses and chiksans…

    As you say – quite rightly – no company would come here if they had to hire locals who didn’t have the experience for the positions mandated…THAT is not the dishonesty of the Labour policy – it’s the fact that it’s all over the place, and no-one is singing off the same song sheet..

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  18. tspoon765 (30 comments) says:

    David, I realise that locals are hired already, and many extremely competent kiwis work worldwide in the industry. However Labours policy is that they want ‘more’. So, as you say, we’re moving up into the more technical stuff, with a corresponding increase in potential for problems. For a company that comes here specifically to do a job, and may never return, it makes no sense to agree to act as a glorified training school while trying to do dangerous stuff in dangerous conditions on an offshore facility with generally only enough room to house those that really need to be there.
    Thats why I describe the policy as a soundbite. Kiwis are already doing fine getting drilling jobs, any further intervention is unnecessary, and as mentioned, would be highly likely to compromise safety.

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  19. David Garrett (10,969 comments) says:

    tspoon:OK, Perhaps I didn’t read as carefully as I should…as you quite rightly say, there is no way any half decent contractor would come here and act as a glorified training school for – say – sub sea engineers…the whole idea is ludicrous…is that REALLY what Labour is proposing??

    A fucking good way to make a blowout more likely! Might as well hire me as a company man…I think I can remember what I learned in well control school 100 years ago…do they still use “weight and wait”??

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  20. tspoon765 (30 comments) says:

    I’m not a driller, work in the production side (maintenance). It’s black magic to me.

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  21. Manolo (21,954 comments) says:

    The problem is no one neither cares nor believes what socialist Captain Mumblefuck has to say.
    He is yesterday’s man, a true irrelevancy.

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  22. KapitiCoast (114 comments) says:

    @ Manolo
    Funnily that is how the right feel…”no one neither cares nor believes what socialist Captain Mumblefuck has to say.
    He is yesterday’s man”
    But like it or not he is a senior member of Labour top team, and the (nasty key/National owned) fact remains…how do you control your senior members?…Moa anyone?

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  23. jonnycomelately (21 comments) says:

    I am national through and through and don’t believe for a moment that Labour will be getting a chance to do any drilling (other than their own hole) or anything else other than remaining in opposition.
    However I do think Shearer came across quite credibly. He seemed to know his material and answered questions directly and to the point without the high level vacuous dribble and waffle we would of got from Cun*liffe. Even my wife, who sadly cancels out my vote, agrees.

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