Should have listened to the SIS

July 15th, 2014 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

The SIS tried to block ’s residency application but dropped their objection 90 minutes after being told there was “political pressure” to let the tycoon into New Zealand, secret documents from the spy agency reveal.

Last night the leader of the Dotcom-funded Internet Party, Laila Harre, said she “wouldn’t have been comfortable” granting the tycoon residency if she had been the Minister of Immigration.

But she’ll take $3 million from him to get into Parliament now he is here. Hilarious.

Documents declassified and released through the Official Information Act show the Security Intelligence Service describing Dotcom as a “bad but wealthy man” who was under criminal investigation by the FBI.

It also has agents passing on information about the FBI investigation for then Minister of Immigration , described as an “interested party” wanting to get “high rollers” into New Zealand.

In hindsight a rather bad decision overlooking the criminal convictions because of his wealth.

One hour and 27 minutes later, another SIS agent said the agency’s block would be lifted, writing: “Since Dotcom is not of security concern, there is no reason for this application to be on hold with us. Please can you inform your INZ contacts of this, also noting Dotcom is the subject of a criminal investigation and that they need to discuss the case with NZ Police before they proceed with granting him PR [permanent residency].” …

An Immigration NZ spokesman said last night no contact had been made with police after the SIS urged Immigration to do so.

So the SIS were aware he was flagged by the FBI as a person of interest, but as it was not a security issue, said go talk to the Police. But Immigration NZ never did. Sigh.

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52 Responses to “Should have listened to the SIS”

  1. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    ‘In hindsight a rather bad decision’
    Ha ha. What sorts of things have you been saying about immigration decisions made by other Ministers?

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  2. burt (8,201 comments) says:

    In hindsight a rather bad decision overlooking the criminal convictions because of his wealth.

    Yep – how much did he secretly donate to National ?

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  3. Barnsley Bill (983 comments) says:

    Listening to the Marxist Nanna Harre on 1zb this morning was comedy gold. Faux outrage and then a hasty change of topic when asked about the hypocrisy of trousering his ill gotten gains.

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  4. burt (8,201 comments) says:

    Barnsley

    The ends justify the means – It’s different when the left do it !

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  5. Tarquin North (256 comments) says:

    Wouldn’t want that on my C.V, unless I was looking for a job at the Standard.

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  6. Pete George (23,434 comments) says:

    There’s contradictions over “political pressure” and “INZ can state unequivocally that there was no political pressure”.

    But this re-raises questions about how much Coleman knew and how much if anything John Key knew.

    Interesting to see Harre pile into this when I’d have thought that the Internet Party should be trying to keep a distance between itself and the affairs of Dotcom. She said on Radio NZ this morning:

    We also know that the day before the immigration, the SIS lifted their block, the Prime Minister was meeting with Warner Brothers in New Zealand. We know that there had been discussions, in fact the emails reveal from the SIS their advice to the immigration Service they should discuss this police investigation.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/249739/pressure-over-dotcom-newspaper

    I don’t think it helps Harre nor the Internet Party to be seen to be advocating for Dotcom’s case, especially linking the conspiracy dots.

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  7. Zapper (1,015 comments) says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vey7GKNpl4Q

    First thing I thought of was this. “Quimby even released Sideshow Bob, a man convicted twice for murder…..vote Sideshow Bob for mayor”

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  8. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Seriously, it is high time that ministerial decision making over individual immigration decisions was removed. There is so much potential for things to go ugly, right up to the point of outright corruption. Wouldn’t we be better off vesting the discretion in appropriate officials or a suitable tribunal?

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  9. burt (8,201 comments) says:

    It’s always surprising how little (in real terms) a person needs to “donate” to corrupt NZ politicians. Lucky we don’t have an independent commission for corruption or we wouldn’t be able to maintain our “least corrupt” rating !

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  10. dime (9,792 comments) says:

    WHo did the pressure come from? Sack em!

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  11. cha (3,935 comments) says:

    19/1/2012

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  12. thedavincimode (6,627 comments) says:

    Harre is not only showing that she has the scruples of a back alley tom cat, but she has the smarts of one too.

    She has got the 3 mill to fund her political rejuvenation and shoved one up the whinga by pinching melon policy and votes and stuck one up National because of Coleman’s intervention and neatly positioned herself to avoid the fallout when Slobcon flys out in his orange jumpsuit.

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  13. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    As said before: Harre is a fine example of political prostitution.

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  14. virtualmark (1,510 comments) says:

    I strongly suspect that the “political pressure” was pressure perceived by Immigration NZ to be coming from the Minister to see immigrants coming in under the Investor Plus investment category (immigrants who invest at least NZ$10m for at least 3 years).

    Rather than political pressure for KDC specifically as an individual.

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  15. virtualmark (1,510 comments) says:

    And just how fruit-loopy does Laila Harre need to be to front on radio today saying “The guy who’s behind the political party I’m fronting should never have been allowed into the country”.

    WTF!!!!

    This woman must be as mad as a party of hatters. Or as Machiavellian as … McCully.

    But, frankly, I don’t think she’s smart enough to be Machiavellian.

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  16. Paulus (2,602 comments) says:

    Was DotCrim let in under Maryanne Thompson perhaps.
    This goes back much further than Coleman – is it not to O’Connor ?

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  17. rangitoto (239 comments) says:

    The simple solution is to cancel his residency and kick him out.

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  18. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Just shows once again that when we have to decide who is lying, the smart money is on it not being Kim Dotcom.

    NZ has lots of sleazy little politicians who think that they can bully people into submission. But when they come up against someone who has the resources and will to fight back, they crumple. It’s quite funny.

    Whatever you think of Dotcom, it is increasingly evident that National approved his residency at the behest of the Americans so that they could then extradite him for the horrible crime of letting people watch Game of Thrones for free, and it’s also evident that John Key knew about it and lied to the NZ public about his knowledge.

    What a sleazy, corrupt bunch. Someone get Penny Bright on the case!

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  19. peterwn (3,239 comments) says:

    Cheer up and look on the bright side. Every cloud has a silver lining. Seems the advent of the Mana/ Internet bloc is causing friction among the Left which is distracting from their campaigning and in particular has further weakened Labour.

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  20. virtualmark (1,510 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson

    it is increasingly evident that National approved his residency at the behest of the Americans

    Really? I don’t think that’s evident at all.

    What seems evident is that Immigration NZ didn’t follow up on the SIS’s recommendation they get Police’s view about Dotcom before they processed his residency. And what seems evident is that the National Government wanted investor migrants, in the hope that would create economic value and jobs.

    What also seems evident is that KDC should have thought harder about where he wanted to live, and given the Mega business model he should have chosen a country that didn’t have an extradition treaty with the US. That he did choose a country with an extradition treaty suggests to me that he didn’t expect the US to chase him down.

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  21. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Really? I don’t think that’s evident at all.

    That’s because you’re a tory idiot.

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  22. virtualmark (1,510 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson … that’s the best you can come up with? “Tory idiot”?

    Really, I despair of the intellectual depth of the Left.

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  23. Pete George (23,434 comments) says:

    Resorting to abuse doesn’t help your argument Tom.

    I haven’t seen any evidence that supports your claim that Dotcom’s residency was given “at the behest of the Americans”.

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  24. Richard Hurst (834 comments) says:

    “..Security Intelligence Service describing Dotcom as a “bad but wealthy man”.

    So basically the SIS tagged him as Goldfinger. So Laila Harre is one of Goldfingers women and does that make Hone Mr Odd Job?

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  25. David Garrett (6,995 comments) says:

    This “Internet Party” boondoggle gets more ridiculous by the day…

    How can this woman possibly keep a straight face when she says “I wouldn’t have let him get residency” and then cashes the hefty paycheck? good thing she doesn’t have to look in the mirror every morning…

    Surely the people are smart enough to see through that ? Surely…

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  26. tom hunter (4,703 comments) says:

    Really, I despair of the intellectual depth of the Left.

    You should all note that Tom Jackson holds the entire system in such contempt that he refuses to vote and in order to demonstrate that KB exists on an even lower level of regard, has made it his mission to accumulate as many downticks as possible here. If that means producing abuse then so be it and if it’s dumb abuse it does not matter.

    Still, he does have his moments, such as this comment about Hillary Clinton:

    If she hadn’t married Bill Clinton, she would have had an even more stellar career. She gave up a lot of her own ambitions for love.

    Now I don’t care where you’re from, that is comedy gold.

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  27. Mark (1,471 comments) says:

    Manolo (13,239 comments) says:
    July 15th, 2014 at 10:36 am
    As said before: Harre is a fine example of political prostitution.

    Manalo she sits in good company with Peter Dunne who Bob Jones so eloquently described as the “town bike of NZ politics”; John Banks; Jim Anderton; Tau Henare; Brendan Horan; fuck me I started out thinking I could compile a quick list but there are no end of fine examples. Harre is a good example perhaps but certainly not the best nor alone in the field.

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  28. Lance (2,628 comments) says:

    In the meantime Labour are demanding an explanation as to the political pressure applied by National to let DotCom in.

    Sigh

    More gothcha politics, its such a winning way

    /sarcasm/

    Perhaps there is some policy to be discussed somewhere along the line, who knows?

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  29. Mark (1,471 comments) says:

    David, Harre doesn’t give a toss about your vote or mine. They are targeting the young and naive who put Dotcom on a pedestal as a bit of a cult hero rather than as the criminal that those of us who are a bit older perceive him as.

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  30. mikemikemikemike (323 comments) says:

    Don’t try and peg this on an agency. No one looked into it because of the political pressure. This has shit flowing all over it and you are trying to redirect it.

    Kim Dotcom needs to be booted from the country, but there are a fair few MP’s that should go with him.

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  31. David Garrett (6,995 comments) says:

    Mark: I fear you are right…I KNOW you are right that she is not targeting my vote or PLU…

    I had an interesting experience the other day…I saw a guy at the Warehouse signing people up for the electoral roll…he completely ignored me, so I watched him…He was only interested in 20 somethings and under…I approached him and asked him if he was working for the Green Party…he turned bright red and stammered that he wasn’t… I thought bullshit…but maybe it was true, and he was working for Laila?? Get plenty of the young and naïve on the roll…

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  32. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Someone your age who is not already on the roll is probably never going to go on it anyway.

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  33. moocow (5 comments) says:

    Lance: National seem quite happy to jump on any slip from labour, so why not expect labour et al to jump on this. sadly an election year is never about policies, it is about who cant hrow the most mud. and both parties are as bad as each other.

    all I want to know is that if there was ‘political pressure’, who was applying the pressure, and then lets wave them farewell.

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  34. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Sounds like the SIS are already aware Dotcom’s extradition is ready to go and he’s already been judged a lengthy jail term in the states.

    Under the NDAA he can be arrested and detained indefinitely without a trial.

    He’ll never see the light of day again.

    Fascism is alive and well. It originated in the states with bankers and corprates anyway. How do you think Hitler was able to finance Germany from oppressive poverty to a super power of the time. Read about US marine general Smedley. He exposed US fascists in congress.

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  35. Lance (2,628 comments) says:

    @moocow
    Except that Labour made a big announcement they weren’t going to do this anymore.

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  36. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “WHo did the pressure come from? Sack em!”

    Far too late Dime

    Not to late to sack the minister of police for perpetuating the fraud of 700 covered up crime counts

    700 COUNTS.

    How you KB whingers would be baying for justice if I was let off 700 counts.

    You have all been exposed for your hypocritical fascism defending your fraudulent criminal minister.

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  37. Nostalgia-NZ (5,097 comments) says:

    It may well be true that Harre wouldn’t have been ‘comfortable’ letting DC into the Country, on that point at least she may be in the majority. But the fact is that he is here, with apparently a large staff that work for him (I note a company he founded is apparently soon to go on the Aussie Stock Exchange,) there is no reason for any person, given the opportunity to work with or for him, or decline to do so if they so wish. The Harre issue is far away from the interest in the claim about the political pressure, which, as somebody has mentioned above might have been in the push to have wealthy immigrants here – but should be made pubic and probably will be now. Some employed by DC might, had his controversy bothered them, have decided to do so on the basis that he was ‘let’ into the Country, a situation good enough for them when making any employment decision. This heads down the track of ‘lawyers’ working for clients the public might not approve of with the exception that Harre has said (apparently honestly and not bound by any protocol) her piece about his immigration here. Anything else new?

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  38. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “Kim Dotcom needs to be booted from the country, but there are a fair few MP’s that should go with him.”

    All labour and Greens no doubt who are not allowing 700 counts of crime go unnaccounted for as the Minister of Justice is.

    That would be Anne Tolley: fraud and breathing free peoples airspace.

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  39. moocow (5 comments) says:

    @Lance: you are surprised that a political party broke a promise…..oh dear.

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  40. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ David Garrett (6,208 comments) says:
    July 15th, 2014 at 11:38 am

    You have a problem with young people being asked to go on the electoral roll?

    Given that it has been recognised that this is the group least likely to bother signing up, I would have thought that all political parties should be showing some initiative and encouraging them to take on the responsibility of voting.

    Is your contempt based on the fact that if they are on the roll they are less likely to vote for who you support, and therefore you would prefer they didn’t get to vote at all?

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  41. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    » Man claims kingdom so his girl can be a princess

    Jeremiah Heaton was playing with his daughter in their US home when she asked whether she could be a real princess.

    Heaton, a father of three who works in the mining industry in Abingdon, Virginia, didn’t want to make any false promises to Emily, then 6, who was “big on being a princess”. But he still said yes.

    “As a parent, you sometimes go down paths you never thought you would,” Heaton said.

    Within months, Heaton was journeying through the desolate southern stretches of Egypt and into an unclaimed 1300-square-kilometre patch of arid desert. There, on June 16 – Emily’s seventh birthday – he planted a blue flag with four stars and a crown on a rocky hill. The area, a sandy expanse sitting along the Sudanese border, morphed from what locals call Bir Tawil into what Heaton and his family call the “Kingdom of North Sudan.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/10267353/Man-claims-kingdom-so-his-girl-can-be-a-princess

    So what is stopping a man planting a flag and claiming land like nations do for banker interests who turn the original natives into tax and rate payers ?

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  42. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Mark (1,346 comments) says:
    July 15th, 2014 at 11:31 am
    David, Harre doesn’t give a toss about your vote or mine. They are targeting the young and naive…

    and of course no other political party targets a particular demographic do they?

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  43. ross001 (193 comments) says:

    It seems that then director of the SIS, Warren Tucker, was aware of Kim Dotcom’s application for residency. Tucker, of course, reported directly to John Key. So, Tucker must have kept the info about KDC all to himself, because – as we know – John Key says he never heard of KDC prior to the raid on the latter’s mansion. The other alternative is that Key is a liar and continues to lie when he makes that comment. Hmmm which is the more plausible?

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  44. ross001 (193 comments) says:

    I’m amazed that the PM has been weak, allowing this info to be in the public domain with an impending election. When the KDC story first broke, National should have released all available info about KDC. Having it drip fed to the public near election time isn’t a good look for the Tories, but it does give Internet/Mana a shot in the arm.

    What other info are we yet to learn about KDC?

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  45. David Garrett (6,995 comments) says:

    Got it in one Judy…I am a believer that a vote must be earned (by an exam on the basics of politics, not property owning), and I am prepared to bet dollars to doughnuts that your average 18-20 year old hasn’t got a clue about what governments actually DO, much less even a basic understanding of how the economy works…

    The only other party I know that targets a particular demographic is NZ First…and I despise that Charlatan and his followers more than the Greens…

    ross001/69: Are the Brits having an election too?

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  46. Mark (1,471 comments) says:

    Judith (7,259 comments) says:
    July 15th, 2014 at 12:33 pm
    Mark (1,346 comments) says:
    July 15th, 2014 at 11:31 am
    David, Harre doesn’t give a toss about your vote or mine. They are targeting the young and naive…

    and of course no other political party targets a particular demographic do they?

    Of course they do Judith – NZ First unashamedly target elderly – your point being?

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  47. Chris2 (761 comments) says:

    Looking at the SIS documents released under the OIA (available on the The Herald website) I was amazed how must e-mail traffic they generated over an issue that they said was not of security interest.

    The names of the agents are blanked out but it does seem there were a lot of people involved with drafts and redrafts and timelines and no-one making a decision. Some of the language in the e-mails seems rather immature too.

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  48. goldnkiwi (1,264 comments) says:

    Apparently all going on during the Govt. negotiations with Hollywood around the Hobbit. I guess the unions must have been in on the ‘conspiracy’ too.

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  49. Gulag1917 (857 comments) says:

    The SIS has NO legal justification being involved in the Kim Dotcom case.
    Is Kim Dotcom guilty of or suspected of being in espionage?
    Is Kim Dotcom guilty of or suspected of being in sabotage?
    Is Kim Dotcom guilty of or suspected of being in subversion?
    Is Kim Dotcom guilty of or suspected of being in terrorism?
    Read the act and see what you think.
    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1969/0024/latest/DLM391606.html

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  50. greenjacket (454 comments) says:

    So Immigration NZ has been exposed as completely incompetent.
    Is anyone surprised?

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  51. cut n paster (1 comment) says:

    Laila still chewing through any credibility she may have left…..
    http://i.imgur.com/4Aaf92k.jpg

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  52. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (872 comments) says:

    Things were going so smoothly for National and they have to trip up somewhere. Wait for an email to emerge where Emperor Key is involved. Me thinks, National gone by lunch time on this bros. Kiss good bye to 2014 election now….

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