The Dotcom conspiracy theory

July 16th, 2014 at 7:00 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

The head of Immigration has rejected suggestions ’s residency was approved as part of a United States move to make it easier to extradite him to face charges there.

Documents published today show that the Security and Intelligence Service (SIS) withdrew its objections to Dotcom’s residency as the Government negotiated a deal with Hollywood studio Warner Bros to ensure The Hobbit trilogy was filmed here.

Dotcom believes US authorities wanted to keep him here to make it easier to extradite him on internet piracy and copyright infringement charges. He has long claimed the Government was acting at the behest of the American film industry but has never offered proof.

I love this conspiracy theory. The Government let Dotcom into New Zealand just so it could extradite him years later. And it was all part of a deal with Warners to film The Hobbit here. This makes people who believe the moon landing was faked look sane.

But in an exclusive interview, Immigration chief executive Nigel Bickle said that from Immigration’s point of view he had seen no evidence of that and it was Dotcom’s advisers who had called for a fast decision in his case.

‘‘Mr Dotcom was represented by a very good immigration adviser, who was rightly asking questions … ‘why is it taking so long making a decision? Mr Dotcom’s like a lot of these individuals – many countries are courting them. Could you hurry up and make a decision’.’’

The beauty of this conspiracy theory is it casts something that was favourable to Dotcom as being sinister.

Bickle said then-immigration minister Jonathan Coleman had not been involved in the decision to grant Dotcom permanent residency, and the call was made by an official.

In 2010 the investor category Dotcom was applying under, requiring at least a $10m investment here, was a new policy. Ministers were interested in how it was going and were briefed weekly. 

But in terms of Dotcom as an individual, Coleman had no involvement in the decision.

Bickle had told Coleman, under the ‘‘no surprises’’ policy, on October 28, 2010 after he had been informed Dotcom would be granted residency.

But it was not a decision that needed to go to the minister.

A minor inconvenient fact.

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87 Responses to “The Dotcom conspiracy theory”

  1. BeeJay (72 comments) says:

    For goodness sake, can we get rid of this clown! It’s not funny any more!

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  2. Mark (1,488 comments) says:

    How much of this conspiracy theory crap is ghost written by Dotcom himself? Just another theory that has as much credence as the rest

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  3. tas (625 comments) says:

    There have been a number of recent sagas involving politicians and immigration. Perhaps immigration law should be changed to remove ministerial involvement in residency and citizenship decisions. I don’t see a good reason for the minister to be involved on a regular basis. Perhaps there can still be a “ministerial veto” that is only used in exceptional circumstances (e.g. the use must be reported to parliament). Thoughts?

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  4. James Stephenson (2,173 comments) says:

    Has anyone asked Colin his opinion?

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  5. Keeping Stock (10,337 comments) says:

    Has Winston Peters been teaching Dotcom Conspiracy 101? If so, it’s a work in progress.

    This is farcical stuff, because it ignores the facts that Dotcom himself APPLIED for NZ residence via an agent (David Cooper from Malcolm Pacific), and that just days before the application was approved, Mr Cooper, on Dotcom’s behalf gave INZ an ultimatum to approve the application, or Dotcom would go elsewhere. What a pity he didn’t.

    Dotcom was clearly a willing partner, and for him to pretend otherwise now is simply bullshit.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/07/conspiracy-101-dotcom-channels-peters.html

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  6. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    ….” This makes people who believe the moon landing was faked look sane.”…..

    There’s only one thing for it……someone locate Colin the Crazy & get him to sort it out. :)

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  7. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    NZ Herald has led this resurgence in Dotcom conspiracies. They have strongly promoted ‘political pressure’, given Dotcom and Grant Robertson a platform to promote ‘political pressure’ and US influence and have downplayed the alternative sides of the story of the story from Coleman and Immigration NZ. The latest slant was in this mornings editorial.

    NZ Herald leaning heavily towards ‘political pressure’

    And this morning Firstline gave Grant Robertson a free shot at repeatively repeating ‘political pressure’ without question. Plus they gave Laila Harre a free shot at making many erroneous claims without holding her to account.

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  8. thePeoplesFlag (245 comments) says:

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  9. Mobile Michael (451 comments) says:

    Dotcom is wrong. It’s John Key’s deal to avoid being extradited over his Wolf of Wall Street days, because (as everyone knows) evil Lizard King Stephen Joyce is calling the shots. Especially after Key drove that white panda in Paris, which is why he got that weekend with the Queen in appreciation.

    Plus, you realise that a 2 year old Key was on the grassy knoll.

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  10. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    One thing’s certain, any chance of the Internet Party operating as an independent entity from Dotcom has been shot out of the water, as was inevitable.

    Dotcom is leading the conspiracy news. He is leading the Internet Mana roadshow. And he’s promising a major Dotcom versus John Key event the Monday before the election. (Although questions he’s asking via the Herald suggest he isn’t as well informed as he intimates).

    Plus Laila Harre is jumping up and down on the Dotcom bandwagon promoting his conspiracy claims.

    The Internet Party is inextricably the Dotcom show.

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  11. duggledog (1,555 comments) says:

    Yeah well, from small things, big things come. Don’t forget it was that Irish chick Noelle McCarthy on student radio who tripped up Don Brash before the final hurdle by getting him to admit he had met with the Brethren after all, and it was game over. Doesn’t take much in a tight election race.

    That’s why I loathe journalists of a certain stripe. They will quite happily derail a country or ruin an otherwise exemplary career to get their scalp.

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  12. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    One of the funnier conspiracy claims was from Labour activist ‘Anne’ at The Standard.

    ” Dear Leader has this knack of being out of the country for sticky moments in the KDC fiasco.”

    Its not a knack… Dear Leader and Dear Foreign minister and Dear Immigration minister are warned in advance that the story is going to break so they absent themselves from the country altogether or find a cave somewhere in the Ureweras to hide. Wouldn’t surprise me if “Dear Leader” instructed someone to ensure the story didn’t break until he was well out of the country!

    Remember, its the Dear Herald who have broken the story and Dear Editor, John Roughan is a Dear Leader fanboy….

    The Herald warned Key they were going to break the story so he suddenly changed his schedule and left the country.

    Just coincidentally there is a Parliamentary recess and it’s school holidays and David Cunliffe just happens to be on holiday at the same time.

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  13. flash2846 (284 comments) says:

    Sadly everyone on the left and the Dotcom supporters will totally believe the conspiracy on the lives of their children. They have conditioned themselves to believe what they want to believe with facts not entering into it.
    Dotcom has grabbed yesterdays headline and won this one. With the help of most media this is how they roll on that side.

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  14. stephieboy (3,014 comments) says:

    Grassy knoll indeed.! No worries Ugly Truth,wiki and Reid will be all over this one with likely the Rothchilds and CIA implicated as well.

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  15. Yoza (1,872 comments) says:

    Swiped this link from Mike Smith over at another site – which name we will not speak.

    MPAA Chief Christopher Dodd Says SOPA Debate Isn’t Over, Defends Hosting Harvey Weinstein Even as He Attacked Over ‘Bully’

    THR: Just as SOPA was falling apart, U.S. and New Zealand authorities arrested Kim Dotcom, the flamboyant mastermind behind Megaupload, one of the world’s biggest downloading sites. Did the timing strike you as odd?

    Dodd: It seemed a little too coincidental. I take my daughters to school every morning, and I was in the playground one day and this woman comes up to me and says: “I just want to say hello. I work at the Justice Department, and I’ve been involved in this Megaupload case for the past several years.” And I said: “That’s interesting. Let me ask you something: Why did this guy get arrested at this particular time?” She said: “Oh, we’ve known about the date for the last year because it was his birthday. It was a big party, and we knew all the assets would be there.”

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  16. alex Masterley (1,517 comments) says:

    Tin foil sales must be rocketing away at the moment.

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  17. Harriet (4,969 comments) says:

    “….The Internet Party is inextricably the Dotcom show….’

    Since when does the media get a 5% vote?

    It’s the MMP & MSM that are on show. Moreso the MSM. The party is fucken pathetic…….if the Conservatives ever did that…….but different standards for the left via the MSM.

    The MSM represent the total value of the Mana/Internet polls. And that poll reading will show us how poorly the MSM treats kiwis and democracy.
    10% should be the threshold, and you don’t get anymore MP’s unless you get two candidates elected. That way the MSM can’t push the very worst of minorities onto the public.

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  18. hj (6,995 comments) says:

    The Dotcom conspiracy theory

    Dotcom is an inflatable brought out to create news and sell advertising. There’s no such person (as far as I can see).

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  19. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    Yoda (7.50am): I take my daughters to school every morning, and I was in the playground one day and this woman comes up to me and says: “I just want to say hello. I work at the Justice Department, and I’ve been involved in this Megaupload case for the past several years.”

    Bwahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa…..

    So someone walks up to a dude in a playground and volunteers she works for the Justice Department and that she works on a particular case? And because it’s reported in some Hollywood gossip rag, it must be true????

    If you really believe that crap, then you’ll love an offer I received some time back from Nigeria.

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  20. tvb (4,418 comments) says:

    There cannot be a Labour Government unless this fool and his hired politicians are part of it.

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  21. Paulus (2,626 comments) says:

    Listened to the Leader of Labour this morning on RNZ Guyon Robertson and found the conspiracy theory put forward quite compelling.
    I looked for an FBI under my bed straight away, but it seems to have disappeared as soon as I looked.
    I hope that the Leader (not the other one hiding in Queenstown) can tell us where to find an FBI.
    The guy from immigration was good but he could not find an FBI.
    When will these theorists grow up. FBI under the beds – nearly Reds under the bed, but a new twist.
    And Guyon – your squeaky voice gets worse.
    Robertson – your are an arsehole – yes, a left one at that. We know you hate everything American but try not to flaunt it.

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  22. david (2,557 comments) says:

    I don’t know how these “repeaters” can lie straight in bed. Andrea Vance yesterday was all conspiracy and joining imaginary dots when all the time it was known from previous OIA documents (refer Whaleoil yesterday) that Dept of Immigration had “categorically” stated that the Minister of Immigration was not involved in the decision to give KDC residency. Today whoop-de-doo, Andrea Vance and Vernon Small with absolutely straight faces report the process of handling KDC’s application and tell us that the Minister was not involved in the decision. Where do we ever see a mea culpa from those who howl that the PM must “front up” the public and answer questions (both talking points of the labour party, winston first and the greens).

    It would appear that in the rush to get toner onto paper, commonsense and fact checking have been going out the window. If that is “trained and skilled” I shudder to think what we should really expect from those who take seriously their role as public informants.

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  23. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Unfortunately for some people, there are heaps of NZers that love a good conspiracy theory, especially one that sounds vaguely plausible when it includes components of Key snuggling up with his new BFF’s team/country.

    Whether there is anything in it or not, I don’t know and frankly don’t care – KDC’s carry on does not effect me in the slightest, other than the fact that my tax payer dollars seem to be spent on paying the wages of people who have contributed a hell of a lot of time on him. I hope we are getting value for dollar but I have a feeling it is the tax payers that will be the only losers when its all over.

    I come from the ‘ODC’ group. (Over Dotcom)

    In the meantime, it creates a great deal of entertainment for some onlookers – who just can’t wait for the grand finale on the 15th of September, when either one or the other will prove beyond a doubt they were right or wrong (or so KDC says).

    Either way, the government benefits because whilst everyone’s attention is on the next episode of a drama of Dallas proportions, no one is looking too closely at their policies.

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  24. mjw (396 comments) says:

    Clearly something did go on, given the SIS emails. But personally I can’t see what is wrong with admitting him to help out the FBI.

    So as usual, it’s not the original incident, but the coverup that creates the problem.

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  25. Paul Marsden (998 comments) says:

    Since when do the SIS become involved in investigating residency applications by some fat guy who may or, may not be be involved in some dodgy dealings under US copyright law?? He has committed no crime in NZ and has never stepped foot on US soil. And then for the NZ Govt to sanction a US led, Rambo style raid and break every NZ law in the process and destroy his business, its no wonder the fat guy is pissed. Shades of my experiences in a bizzare and fabricated, NZ copyright case that involved dodgy lawyers and a high court judge, and where even the NZ Police were used (unsuccessfully) to intimidate people into signing bogus affidavits, at the request of a well connected, high profile plaintiff

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  26. Tom Barker (143 comments) says:

    “Don’t forget it was that Irish chick Noelle McCarthy on student radio who tripped up Don Brash…” Mr Dog, I’m afraid you lost me at that point. A journalist reports the truth, and this is wrong because…?

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  27. kowtow (8,441 comments) says:

    I wonder how many other “high rollers” we sold citizenship or residency to are dodgy?

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  28. Linda Reid (415 comments) says:

    If Dotcom really hates our government, and feels he has been badly treated then why does he not just leave? After all, it’s our country, not his. Go Dotcom, just go.

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  29. Tempist (14 comments) says:

    So the IMP’s latest preoccupation is Feds under the beds?

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  30. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    kowtow (7,550 comments) says:
    July 16th, 2014 at 8:25 am

    If we’ve had to ‘sell’ their citizenship, and they haven’t been able to achieve it on their own, then I suspect there are a great deal of ‘less than desirable’ new Kiwis in this country.

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  31. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Linda Reid (395 comments) says:
    July 16th, 2014 at 8:27 am

    So you are saying that only people who are born in this country can claim it as there’s?

    Does that judgement include all immigrants and for how many generations, e.g. does it include their children (in which case our Prime Minister wouldn’t be able to claim this country either).

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  32. Nukuleka (325 comments) says:

    Radio NZ is pushing the conspiracy theory for all it’s worth with very little or weak rebuttal. Is the government assuming that no-one is going to fall for this nuttiness and so making no comment, just leave it to the Immigration Department?

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  33. greenjacket (465 comments) says:

    Mark wrote: “How much of this conspiracy theory crap is ghost written by Dotcom himself?”
    I believe that the Herald article is under the name of David Fisher, so there you go.

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  34. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Nukuleka (188 comments) says:
    July 16th, 2014 at 8:30 am

    I think the government is doing the right thing and staying quiet. These things die a natural death in the media when something else comes a long. Sometimes its actually better not to give KDC too much air space – and any attempts to defend itself, could be seen as more of the govt picking on him by some people. Better to ignore it, IMO.

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  35. doggone7 (801 comments) says:

    One man’s conspiracy theory is another man’s “where there’s smoke there’s fire”, is another man’s “nothing to see here.”

    All fuelled of course by politicians who can’t recall some things but can recall other things which look to any rational observers, beyond belief.

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  36. tvb (4,418 comments) says:

    There is still 5% of the voters who will sympathise with this stuff so they give their vote to Internet-Mana. But the rest need to think carefully. Those that vote Labour need to realise their party cannot be the Government without Internet-Mana so a vote for Labour is a vote to have KDC in the heart of Government with his hired Ministers.

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  37. Linda Reid (415 comments) says:

    No Judith. But he’s not a New Zealander born or naturalised. It has always seemed odd to me that someone would move to another country and then try to get into government (by proxy) in this case before he is even a citizen. If you don’t like the country you have moved to then leave. I guess it would be like going to a restaurant and then trying to get them to change the menu.

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  38. Rich Prick (1,700 comments) says:

    The problem with this conspiracy theory is that when Dotcom arrived he was quite free to fuck off to any country without an extradition order he fancied, in fact I think many wish he had.

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  39. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    This [conspiracy theory] makes people who believe the moon landing was faked look sane.

    Really? When you look at it, the proposed ‘conspiracy theory’ would be something like a US official telling a visiting PM that the US would find it convenient if this bloke currently applying for NZ residency were to become resident in NZ, a country with which the US has an extradition treaty, rather than a country with which it doesn’t. Upon hearing that the perp in question is being investigated for mere copyright infringement rather than violent crime, the PM says ‘No worries mate, his application will be successful by tomorrow.’ There’s no evidence that is what happened, but calling it a conspiracy theory that makes the ‘fake moon landing’ people look sane is just ridiculous – if anything, it makes you look a bit too keen to play it down…

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  40. G152 (337 comments) says:

    They’re going to be disappointed that all their BS isn’t going to do squat for any of them in the Polls.
    MSM screaming conspiracy every day is an embarrassment to their audience

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  41. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    This makes people who believe the moon landing was faked look sane.

    The only thing worse than an ignorant prick is a smug ignorant prick.

    http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2009/08/funny-thing-happened-on-way-to-moon.html

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  42. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “That’s why I loathe journalists of a certain stripe. They will quite happily derail a country or ruin an otherwise exemplary career to get their scalp.”

    Can you smell the fear in that post?

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  43. Keeping Stock (10,337 comments) says:

    Given that Dotcom now believes he should not have been given New Zealand residence, he surely will not appeal if his residence status is revoked today, and he is served with a removal order. Can someone pass me a can of Tui please…

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  44. Manolo (13,748 comments) says:

    I can see Judith’s migration from Winston First to socialist Labour is now complete.
    Oh, the poor deluded woman!

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  45. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Linda Reid (396 comments) says:
    July 16th, 2014 at 8:49 am

    But he has said he does like the country. In fact I read somewhere he loves it , and why shouldn’t he, he’s got heaps of Kiwis eating out of his hand!

    I believe the only thing he doesn’t like is the PM – on that he and I share a common opinion – but that is about where it stops.

    I don’t have any problem with him coming here – he had some minor criminal convictions when younger, but so have many that get in here. He certainly had the money to invest in this country, and until he is convicted, we can’t hold that against him.

    The only problem I have with him really is that he has distracted the country at a very important time – this election by both sides, as is evident from many comments in this thread, as become about two men – John Key and KDC.

    In my opinion that is wrong – very wrong. When a country’s ability to be successful comes down to two personalities, we are in serious trouble.

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  46. Ross12 (1,425 comments) says:

    The wannabe PM in waiting is still trying to muck rake the issue

    https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/24469663/key-s-credibility-on-the-line-in-dotcom-case-robertson/

    One day Robertson will talk about something else but probably no one will recognise it is from him because it has been so long since he commented on anything else.

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  47. eszett (2,408 comments) says:

    UglyTruth (3,849 comments) says:
    July 16th, 2014 at 9:09 am
    This makes people who believe the moon landing was faked look sane.

    The only thing worse than an ignorant prick is a smug ignorant prick.

    Sometimes you should listen to your own advise, ugly.

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  48. Nookin (3,341 comments) says:

    Here is a passage from a court judgement (Dawson DCJ) where Mr Dotcom advanced the conspiracy theory in court. DPF published this extract on May 24.
    Those criticising the government suggest that the only plausible explanation for the timing of the residency grant was some form of agreement between the government and US negotiated during the Hobbit discussions.
    Some questions:
    1. Is it plausible that the timing was very much dictated by his ultimatum that unless his residency application was granted by 1 November, he would withdraw it? In fact, is this not, clearly, the only possible explanation in the absence of a single shred of evidence to suggest that Dotcom was ever mentioned in any discussions relating to the Hobbit?
    2. If the answer to question 1 is “yes”, would you not think that a journalist with any sense of ethics, knowing of the other eminently plausible explanation (one recognised by the court) would have mentioned the fact? After all, the decision has been well publicised. And what about Dotcom himself? He clearly knew of the ultimatum because he delivered it. He has released a proliferation of documents but, surprise it surprise, this one was not included.
    3. Is it even remotely possible that Grant Robertson was ignorant of the comments by the court and the fact that Dotcom issued the ultimatum?
    4. Do the words “dishonesty” and “lack of integrity” resonate in the background?
    5. Is it now patently clear that Harre has been well and truly “purchased”?
    6. Is it now equally clear that the raison d’etre of the Internet party is the avoidance of extradition?

    “[47] To date, there is no evidence of any nexus between the Prime Minister’s meeting with the CEO of Warner Bros with Mr Dotcom’s residency applications other than the coincidence of the times of events pointed to by him. There is also an alternate explanation that could be advanced. Mr Dotcom had become impatient over what he perceived as delays with his residency application and informed INZ that his application could be withdrawn if it was not granted by 1 November 2010. The residency application was granted on 30 October 2010. It is feasible that INZ granted the residency application of a high net-worth person who was pressuring them for a decision.

    [48]The respondents need to prove some nexus between Mr Dotcom being granted residency and his claim of untoward political pressure being placed upon immigration officials to grant his residency other than hypothesised coincidence. In addition, they would need to show links between the INZ, NZSIS, the Prime Minister, the CEO of Warner Bros and the Applicant [the US government, my brackets] which showed the Applicant’s involvement in the actions of the New Zealand agencies. They would then need to show some illegal action by the Applicant indicating there was an abuse of process that would lead this court to provide some sanction against the Applicant in this case. To date they have not done so. Nor has it been shown that INZ and the NZSIS were acting as agencies for the Applicant at this time.”

    [49] The Respondents’ applications are based upon Mr Dotcom’s theory which is based upon evidence which has a plausible alternative explanation. They lack any “air of reality” as they rely upon a perceived coincidence. These applications are in the nature of a fishing expedition, made in the hope of flushing out evidence which may be useful to the Respondents. Even if it was successful it is highly unlikely that it would be evidence that might assist the Respondents to counter any of the Applicants’ evidence in the ROC. If evidence of improper political involvement was found, it would not impact upon the extradition hearing. It may or may not impact upon other court proceedings, but it is not the role of this court to grant discovery orders that may or may not be relevant to other proccedings.”

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  49. oldpark (323 comments) says:

    Heard Newstalk fill in reporters desperate for traction to indict the Nats as conspirators.First out of the blocks was a TV3 reject called Rachel Smalley.The other one a fill in called Boyed who dropped out of Seven Sharp,fills in on the Labour Party news channel TVNZ.He got his come uppance last night on the Huddle on Newstalk when he was desperate to indict Nationals Immigration minister on the matter.Jock Anderson put him in his place pronto,when he challenged Boyed’s bias.Boyed went backwards faster than Goff, King when they were challenged on the Darren Hughes allegations when that story reigned supreme.Newstalk will not be too pleased when their advertisers wake up to the fact that the trend of their announcers are supporting a faction of undesirables and economy wreckers that could surface in NZ AFTER September 20.2014.

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  50. Dead Earnest (160 comments) says:

    This whole Krim Dotcom saga has redefined the limits of hypocrisy.
    A foriegn criminal desperate for refuge in NZ, now attacks the government for letting him in.
    Despite his propensity to flaunt his wealth and a penchant for Nazi regalia, he uses his filthy luce to corral a motely group of far-left activists to help him subvert the judicial system and remain in the country he believes he should have never been allowed in to.
    And despite his sad record of rasist rants and a history of underpaying staff he teams up with a Maori Marxist to undermine the democratic process.
    And just in case you thought that was about as bad as it gets, he “bribes” the poster girl of left wing feminism – with his limitless cash earnt trading in the degrading images of women -to enter into a “sham political marrriage”
    Just unbeilievable- You couldn’t make it up.

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  51. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “sham political marrriage”

    A bit like JK having a cup of tea with an electoral fraudster aye DE?

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  52. Mr_Blobby (173 comments) says:

    Not a Dotcom fanboy.

    But does anyone else feel any concern over the handling of this whole sorry saga from start to date.

    A hint of Government interference, there will be more on that.

    The completely over the top, FBI, instigated raid on the Dotcom mansion. 60 armed Police not 1 but 2 helicopters, dragging a pregnant woman and young children out of bed in a dawn raid.

    Arbitrary imprisonment without any actual charges being laid.

    Evidence being illegally sent out of the country.

    Our spy agencies found to be heavily involved in a domestic situation.

    The Government, MonKey, knowing more than they have acknowledged.

    Our own spy agency being controlled by the US.

    Even at a NZ Customs level, they were trying to dig up dirt to get “brownie points” with the US administration.

    The charge is a civil one of possible, alleged, software piracy.

    Incidentally the only company pursued was a non US company. No mention of Google, Facebook, YouTube etc

    Is this more about US control of the Internet and the ability to monitor everything that happens on the Internet?

    Seriously people am I the only one that has some concerns over this sad situation. Or are we not a sovereign Country and just an extension of US policy.

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  53. chuk (40 comments) says:

    Is all this conspiracy nonsense leading up to a new twist? The interview with KrimDotCon’s US lawyer on Red Radio this morning made me think they are laying the groundwork for this sort of approach in the future:

    “On the face of it, I should not have been granted residency. However, SIS were involved in the decision and they must have reviewed the matters which the FBI are following. Given that the SIS did not object to residency then it must be true that they consider the grounds for extradition to be too flimsy to be given any credence. Therefore, if the court decides the extradition should proceed it is only because they have been kept in the dark about the results of the review carried out by the SIS. This provides me with a valid reason to appeal any decision by the court to approve extradition.”

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  54. Dead Earnest (160 comments) says:

    No JIAB.
    Two centre right politicians forming an alliance is quite unsuprising.
    When a foreign criminal seeks to undmine the political system of a country- that he wishs he wasn’t in but is terrified to leave -so he courts the money haters with money, and enters in to a marriage with a time-limit; thats what takes my breath away.

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  55. Rick Rowling (813 comments) says:

    I LOL’d listening to Radio NZ this morning. It went something like

    Guyon (to KDC’s US-based lawyer): Do you know what evidence KDC has?

    Lawyer: I’m not going to reveal the information ahead of time.

    Guyon: I didn’t ask what the information is, I asked if you know what it is.

    Lawyer: I can’t answer that question without revealing what information there is, if any.

    Or something to that effect.

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  56. Rick Rowling (813 comments) says:

    One could assume that the release date is because the claims won’t stand up to more than 5 days’ scrutiny.

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  57. stephieboy (3,014 comments) says:

    Ugly Tuth and the Seasons of Moon Hoaxer insanity,

    https://radaronelson.wordpress.com/tag/moon-landing-hoax/

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  58. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “Two centre right politicians forming an alliance is quite unsuprising.”

    Two victims of Government skulduggery forming an alliance is quite unsurprising.

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  59. Unity (576 comments) says:

    The whole DotCom thing is a completely unnecessary distraction. Obviously something nefarious went on to allow him to be here in the first place, but I’m totally fed up with his ongoing threats and especially his new one of releasing some proof about John Key’s lies 5 days before the election!! Do we really care any more? Personally I will be glad to see the back of him and the sooner he is extradited the better.

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  60. Lance (2,654 comments) says:

    @stephieboy
    Good site.
    I have also seen a video expert saying it is idiotic to suggest the live video was faked. The technology just didn’t exist in those days.

    As an engineer I am actually offended by these meat heads that can’t understand what a colossal and heroic achievement this was, so therefore have to tear it down.
    Pimply faced geeks and “self taught physicists (seriously that’s what one half wit labelled himself as) saying NASA engineers and scientists didn’t achieve anything and these clowns outsmarted them.

    Fuckwits one and all I say.

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  61. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    Ugly,

    The only thing worse than a “smug, ignorant prick” as you put it is someone who is stupid enough to think that a web site called Atlantean Conspiracy is a valid source of information.

    Stupidity is not an excuse Ugly. Seek professional help.

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  62. Dead Earnest (160 comments) says:

    Interesting to compare the way the MSM treats Krim Dotcom, with their coverage of the Exclusive Brethren.
    It seems a foreign criminal spending his ill gotten gains in an attempt to circumvent judicial process is more worthy of respect in their eyes, than a group of law abiding and industrious neo-puritans wanting to express an opinion about the country they have lived in for generations.

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  63. stephieboy (3,014 comments) says:

    Lance , thank you for that. Am afraid Ugly Truth goes further over the top with his controlled demolition theories WRC Towers 9/11,

    http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/11-09-07/

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  64. tom hunter (4,811 comments) says:

    Fuckwits one and all I say.

    True, but frankly you guys make it worse by constantly engaging with them. Have you not realised how fruitless that is?

    I’ll grant that sometimes the nuttiness gets so irritating that I’ve made a comment or two but it’s really such a waste of time. If you saw more people giving them upticks or providing supporting comments then it might be worth it from that angle, but they’re actually just voices howling in their own heads, so ignore them and they’ll go somewhere else for attention.

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  65. Lance (2,654 comments) says:

    @tom hunter
    Fair comment, it’s hard to resist sometimes, like this;

    http://nilograv.wordpress.com/2011/05/19/must-control-fist-of-death/

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  66. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I’ve pretty much given up on Ugly now. He was showing some faint signs of coming around to reason when he finally acknowledged that the ITCCS was a one-man website rather than an international court, but he has proved pretty intransigent on his core nutty beliefs, especially around 9/11 the his pseudolegal woo.

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  67. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Some people take really short holidays, or lie persistently.

    However back to subject. This whole subject stopped being objective and began being driven subjectively about a year ago.

    It is so tied up with corruption, counter-corruption and out right lies, it’s starting to make the Grimm Brother’s work look like exact science.

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  68. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    Judith, if that was aimed at me, I’m not on holiday, but working, and given the nature of my work, I never really know when I might have a break, and thus time to post, which is why I did not post at all Monday, and will not be posting at all after 1 pm, and probably at all tomorrow.

    I’m not sure someone who demands evidence from one poster, than attacks someone else for demanding evidence from another, should be throwing stones. Dishonesty and hypocrisy seem to be your territory.

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  69. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    ShawnLH (3,004 comments) says:
    July 16th, 2014 at 12:24 pm

    Paranoid much? It’s not all ’bout Shawny, you know!

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  70. Lance (2,654 comments) says:

    @ShawnLH
    I get to choose which 12 hours a day I work. Luxury

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  71. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “Paranoid much? It’s not all ’bout Shawny, you know!”

    Then who was it aimed at Judith? Come on, front up and be honest for a change sweety. Shock us all! :)

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  72. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “I get to choose which 12 hours a day I work. Luxury”

    It’s not my choice, it’s dependent on factors usually outside my control.

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  73. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (3,011 comments) says:
    July 16th, 2014 at 12:31 pm

    If I’d wanted to name the person, I would have in my comment.
    Just because you demand it, doesn’t mean its going to happen Shawny, my world doesn’t revolve around you – sorry, and your all too frequent little threats are getting really boring.

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  74. Nostalgia-NZ (5,195 comments) says:

    Have to put DC’s statement that he shouldn’t have been ‘let in’ to NZ into context. It doesn’t mean that he didn’t want to immigrate here but rather that he found out later that because he was under investigation that his application should have been deferred for six months. Either he got lucky or as he claims there was pressure to allow his application.

    If the consensus is that DC, as some Immigration Officials are now claiming, placed pressure on officials to approve the application and that is why he was approved despite the SIS insisting that he rich but bad and that police should be consulted – I don’t think that is a satisfactory answer. Blaming DC for his application being approved is at the very least a poor reflection on Immigration – furthermore if that is the type of pressure they conceded to there should be no reason not to disclose the details, along with why they ‘overlooked’ recommendations from the SIS. I think they are trying to have it ‘both’ ways.

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  75. Paulus (2,626 comments) says:

    SIS said that DotCon posed no Security risk to New Zealand.
    That is their job.
    QED

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  76. cas (39 comments) says:

    Dotcom’s money is already being seen around. In Opotiki Mana has outfitted a vacant restaurant ( the equivalent of 2 shops) branded the windows with Mana stickers and No asset sales and free everything type stickers. It appears to be manned ( or personned for those PC people). No other signs of any election promotion form any other party here at all.

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  77. moocow (5 comments) says:

    This makes people who believe the moon landing was faked look sane.

    Interesting choice of words. However, DPF, no matter how you try to dress it up, the Nats getting in bed with Colin is a shambles, and shows John Key will do anything (even abandon his own morals) to hold power. And Colin Craig is mental, pure and simple.

    Helen Clark was prepared to do the same a few years ago. Blue is the new Red.

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  78. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    Blaming DC for his application being approved is at the very least a poor reflection on Immigration…

    Fuck yes. “We let in this guy who had a criminal record and was under investigation by the FBI, because he pressured us via writing letters and telling us he’d go elsewhere if we didn’t.” Seriously?

    SIS said that DotCon posed no Security risk to New Zealand.

    They had a surprisingly sudden change of mind in finding that being investigated by the FBI shouldn’t raise any red flags on a permanent residence application. Maybe Dotcom ‘pressured’ them as well?

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  79. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    ‘A minor inconvenient fact.”

    A minor inconvenient fact is this is a man with no charges laid against him with his bank acc frozen.

    Our finances are controlled and how much more under a cashless society.

    You can definitely believe that conspiracy.

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  80. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    “Blue is the new Red.”

    This is the brilliant mantle for the Nat/Lab coalition.

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  81. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    “Ugly Truth,wiki and Reid will be all over this one with likely the Rothchilds and CIA implicated as well.”

    Not me for one. But…..if Dotcom really does come out with substance before the election I will giggle at your predictable trivialisation tactics. As so many with me.

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  82. goldnkiwi (1,303 comments) says:

    Can someone explain to me why we were nice about letting the nannies stay?

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  83. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    I’ve pretty much given up on Ugly now. He was showing some faint signs of coming around to reason when he finally acknowledged that the ITCCS was a one-man website rather than an international court, but he has proved pretty intransigent on his core nutty beliefs, especially around 9/11 the his pseudolegal woo.

    What I said was that his court wasn’t properly constituted. One of the reasons that I like Arnett is that publishes witness testimony which corroborates descriptions of serious abuse from previous witnesses eg relating to “the most dangerous game”. This sort of material is completely off the reservation as far as the MSM is concerned.

    MM’s gambit regarding my “nutty” 9/11 beliefs has been to say that they have been rebutted but he has made no attempt to describe what the rebuttal was.

    Hint: you can’t rebut the facts.

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  84. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    Ten million to buy a poli seems rather cheap in 2014…. since our dollar is looking so good! :)

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  85. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “Hint: you can’t rebut the facts.”

    You have none, and your lack of facts can easily be rebutted. All you have is speculation you cannot prove.

    Nobody has to take your speculations seriously, especially when they are driven by hatred and bigotry.

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  86. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    You have none

    Shawn Lee Herles, you are lying again. I’ve repeatedly posted about the witnesses who described seeing molten steel and the thermal data which supports their testimony.

    and your lack of facts can easily be rebutted

    Go ahead and try, moron.

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  87. Unity (576 comments) says:

    Sorry for butting in but either a Swedish or Danish engineer tested ‘stuff’ taken from the site and there was a vast amount of thermite in it. That only comes from explosives!! There are plenty of sites explaining this. I’m sorry and know this is off topic but one of many examples is –

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/how-to-debunk-wtc-thermite/5360964

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