The Greens and the Internet Party

July 14th, 2014 at 7:00 am by David Farrar

Yesterday the released their environment policy and to me it sounded very similar, if not identical to the . They want to ban fracking, ban deep sea drilling, and bring in a carbon tax.

I’m not the only one who noticed this. blogs:

In the hypothetical Labour/Green/New Zealand First/Mana/Internet Party coalition that voters are being asked to put in charge of the country this election year, its hard to figure out which inter-party relationship is the most poisonous, or who would like to destroy whom the most. But now that ’s gone and started pre-releasing Green Party policy on the same day as the Greens and justified it on the basis that she worked for the Green Party for fifteen months, and therefore owns all their intellectual property, somehow, I’m gonna nominate the Green/Internet Mana relationship as, from here on in, probably the most toxic.

What’s the strategy here? The original vision for the Internet Party was that it would be a, y’know, Internet Party, focused on digital issues and changing the government by turning out young non-voters. My guess is that Dotcom’s money has paid for some market research which has found that the number of non-voters passionate about copyright restrictions is close to zero, and that the demographic most sympathetic towards the Internet Party are current Green voters. Harre doesn’t share Dotcom’s interest in digital rights, or his legal problems, so her focus – like any other political leader – is purely on maximising her party vote. Which explains why the Internet Party is now a tiny cannibalistic version of the Green Party.

Now I don’t generally mention family members, but it is no secret that Danyl’s wife is the political director for the Greens. I mention this not to suggest he is speaking on her behalf or writing what she thinks. But to make the context that this isn’t an opinion of someone who has absolutely no idea of what people in the Greens think of the Internet Party.

Since the Internet Party formed the Greens have dropped from 13% to 11.5% in the polls. That is lower than they were polling just prior to the last election, so they run the risk of losing MPs.

The Internet Party looks like it will have a set of policies almost indistinguishable from the Greens. But the one big difference is the $4 million they have had from Kim Dotcom to appeal to people who like Green Party policies.

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36 Responses to “The Greens and the Internet Party”

  1. JC (958 comments) says:

    “Harre doesn’t share Dotcom’s interest in digital rights,”

    Neither does Dotcom.

    “or his legal problems,”

    Dotcom certainly cares about those.

    “so her focus – like any other political leader – is purely on maximising her party vote”

    And Dotcom certainly agrees with that. So Harre are DC are very much singing from the same hymn sheet there.

    JC

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  2. duggledog (1,559 comments) says:

    Clowns

    C’mon National, remind the country who they are getting when they vote for Labour. The GIMPs are that nasty little surprise you find in the fine print, only when it’s too late

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  3. Tarquin North (305 comments) says:

    Oh dear, trouble in paradise. What a shame, pass the popcorn and let the intercide warfare begin. There are only so many votes and the greed and desperation are starting to show.

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  4. metcalph (1,430 comments) says:

    So Green 2.0?

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  5. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    Rather than their supposed main aim of deposing National from Government – which would mean competing in the centre – the Internet Party seem to be targeting the left of Labour vote, particularly the Green vote.

    When Russel Norman tried to talk Kim Dotcom out of starting up his party he foresaw some potential competition for the Greens – and that was before Laila Harre defected from the Green campaign team.

    It’s looking like the Internet Party is trying to become the alternative left wing party. Perhaps they have already decided Labour has made the election un-winnable and are playing a longer game.

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  6. holysheet (401 comments) says:

    Who cares, There are only a certain numbers of these dumbasses. If the IP/Mana party take votes off the greens, all the better for national.
    Bring it on!

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  7. Nigel Kearney (1,019 comments) says:

    We’ll never know the details of the discussions at Dotcom Manor, but probably Russel Norman could have taken the $4 million himself and not had to deal with a competing party. In a way this highlights the difference between the two groups. Harre and Harawira just want to establish a socialist regime by any means necessary, but for people like Norman and Turei it is more about religious purity and abstaining from commerce or its poisoned fruits.

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  8. tvb (4,431 comments) says:

    The Greens cannibalise Labour and Internet-Mana cannibalise the Greens. The Labour Party has made a subtle shift to the centre as the election draws closer hoping to capture some soft centrist votes off National. The election remains very close down to one or two seats. I predict the Greens will shift slightly to the centre as well. Laila Harre would know all this and make adjustments in her political strategy.

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  9. CJPhoto (222 comments) says:

    So now we know what LH and Dotcom have in common – IP infringement. She claims Greens IP as hers since she was working there at the time.

    Doesn’t work like that – IP belongs to the employer

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  10. mister nui (1,029 comments) says:

    Actually, I think Harre’s main aim is Marxism, nothing more, nothing less.

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  11. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    Is there some payback in this for Norman not playing ball with him?

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  12. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    Fellows – “Mother who sold her soul to the devil”, Laila Saint Harre is taking down the Greens!!! Let us celebrate. The toxic coalition will self destruct and that can only be good for New Zealand. Carbon tax, my foot.

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  13. mister nui (1,029 comments) says:

    This underlines why the right has to do everything possible to make sure Kelvin Davis takes Te Tai Tokerau. We must stop that racist cunt Harawira winning the seat and allowing any of this lot in on his coat-tails.

    The added benefit of this is that Internet/Mana will take votes off the communists meaning they’ll get less list seats, and with Internet/Mana not making 5%, any votes for them will be wasted.

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  14. thedavincimode (6,800 comments) says:

    justified it on the basis that she worked for the Green Party for fifteen months, and therefore owns all their intellectual property

    My emphasis. That isn’t the way it works in the normal world, although it’s interesting that even though she got it the wrong way round, she at least recognises the concept of intellectual property rights which seems at odds with Mr Blobcon’s view of things.

    So, the story begins with the ginga whinga selling out the justice system and reciprocal obligations with the US for cash to protect someone from being extradited to face charges of massive breaches of intellectual property rights. Then in Act 2, the object of his new found affection funds someone who pinches the melon’s ideas. The irony runs deep here.

    How will the ginga whinga respond? After all, when it comes to his own property, he certainly doesn’t like having it taken off him.

    Presumably it was Harre who was running the Blobcon cash for freedom op before the Blobcon party was formed given that she has wound up there.

    It looks like she has royally shafted her former employer. How tragic.

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  15. Paulus (2,632 comments) says:

    Cannot see Harre being a Marxist.
    However, she is a wealthy woman (inherited from “Jandal/Inventor/Maker”Grandfather) so there must be some logic.

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  16. Rich Prick (1,705 comments) says:

    Oh come now, Harre has figured out how to turn her Twitter machine on, and she’s now mastered Solitaire on the interweb-thing. She no doubt, is now working on her Facebank skills right at the minute. By the election she’ll have a NZ Herald bookmark. The Green-wash was just a stop-gap.

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  17. Urban_Redneck (93 comments) says:

    Flat-earth-no-growth environmental Marxists or Marxist retreads from the Alliance Party.

    Ahh, the agony of choice.

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  18. ChardonnayGuy (1,207 comments) says:

    Policy cueing. And this doesn’t happen on the centre-right, too???

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  19. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    ChardonnayGuy (1,120 comments) says:
    July 14th, 2014 at 8:49 am
    Policy cueing. And this doesn’t happen on the centre-right, too???

    Of course not :-)

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  20. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    and justified it on the basis that she worked for the Green Party for fifteen months, and therefore owns all their intellectual property..

    What’s intellectual property … Aren’t the policies uploaded to a #Mega server and everyone gets them FOR FREE !

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  21. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Rich Prick (1,518 comments) says:
    July 14th, 2014 at 8:42 am

    So its alright for Key to master twitter and facebook and use them like a rampant energizer bunny, but no one else is allowed to?

    You guys should get the rule book published – it would make fascinating reading.

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  22. Rich Prick (1,705 comments) says:

    Oh Judith, sorry I shall explain … slowly. Actually, no, I can’t be bothered.

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  23. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    I just don’t understand this idea that is popular with Lefty commentators that there are hundreds of thousands of non-voters just waiting for a party they can identify with. They have Labour, NZ First, Greens, Mana, and Internet to choose from. And I think the Alliance might still be around in some form. If you’re a socialist and there isn’t enough overlap in policy with any of those parties to get you out to vote then you’re either an extremist who cannot compromise, or you’re just too lazy to get out of bed on polling day.

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  24. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Rich Prick (1,519 comments) says:
    July 14th, 2014 at 9:02 am

    You don’t need to … most things you say just comes out as “blah blah oh johnny blah blah blah” .. to me anyway! :P But thanks for considering it and reading my post :-)

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  25. Redbaiter (9,119 comments) says:

    Hey dumbarses- your kids are being indoctrinated with this shit at school, and will increasingly vote for it.

    Like it or not, its what is coming because you have allowed your children to be indoctrinated with it, and you will reap what you have sown.

    You’re dying, the Green Nazis are growing. If you let your kids fall into the hands of zealots then you deserve all you get.

    Those who cannot learn from history are doomed.

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  26. Nostalgia-NZ (5,221 comments) says:

    Seems a silly move, though too early to judge the possible ramifications at this point. Instinct would say the 2 parties should not be attacking one another, though it’s not 100% clear they are. As for claiming the ‘rights’ to work done for payment, if that is the case, not sure that works. Interesting to see if they keep their hats on and look to settle this behind doors or if a shit fight ensues. A shit fight could suit IP for the publicity alone. However, as one of the stated purposes of Mana and IP is to get rid of JK they’ve missed the bus. Could be time to call the doctor.

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  27. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    You’re dying, the Green Nazis are growing.

    Apart from the absurdity of that we’ll have to wait until the election to see if the Greens grow with or without the Internet Party. Green support has pretty much flatlined since the last election and it’s more likely that IP will take some of their votes rather than both of them grow to any significant extent.

    And the only reason there’s any room for growth is because Labour have been so weak and disorganised.

    The great education conspiracy can’t be working very well if National are maintaining near 50% support.

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  28. deckboy (18 comments) says:

    Who needs enemies with friends like Liala Harre!!

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  29. GPT1 (2,122 comments) says:

    IMP appears to be the Alliance manifesto with “digital” and/or “digital world” shoe horned in.

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  30. Unity (588 comments) says:

    Heaven help us all!! What a shambles the left are and I dread any of them getting anywhere near power.

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  31. Nostalgia-NZ (5,221 comments) says:

    I hope it’s not true that DC told Russell that if doesn’t like the policy ‘adoption’ that he’s going to sit on him.

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  32. spanish_tudor (81 comments) says:

    “Give me back my environment policy!”

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  33. Colville (2,272 comments) says:

    “Stealing my enviromental policy is racist! “

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  34. PaulL (5,987 comments) says:

    What happened to “shutting down my party and throwing my support behind someone who I agree with”? Isn’t this just part of that – make it painful enough for the Greens that they’ll make some promises, then shut down Internet Party, stab Harre in the back, and give all the votes back to the Greens. Or has it gone beyond that point?

    I feel a little sorry for the Greens, they toyed around with selling out to DotCom, then decided to do what was right (well, sort of decided to sort of do what was right, after lots of humming and haaaing). Then the Internet Party turns up right in the middle of their turf, probably taking votes from them, and maybe turning those votes into wasted votes if Harawira doesn’t get a seat. That’d be incredibly funny, but sort of unfortunate for a group of people who do have actual supporters who are entitled to a voice. One part of me says that if they’re too stupid to work out this is going on then they don’t deserve their vote to be counted, but another part of me is annoyed that the “elites” are basically playing stupid power games and wasting some people’s votes. Ah well, at least it’s happening to the left and not to the right (yet).

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  35. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    The Internet Party … Classic. Dotcom floods twitter with pics of travelling home from his holiday in Queenstown to Coatsville in a helicopter ( 6 1/2 hours . ohhhh) then the political party has imagery of Hone hitch-hiking – Classic.

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  36. labrator (1,850 comments) says:

    Harre['s] … focus – like any other political leader – is purely on maRximising her party

    Fixed it for Danyl.

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