They’re getting more deranged as the election gets closer

July 3rd, 2014 at 2:00 pm by David Farrar

A commenting at Pundit has a solution for Labour’s woes:

Labour’s problems are readily solved – you black-bag Armstrong and Gower and beat the everliving crap out them. You beat them so badly that doubt is expressed that they will ever walk again, and so that they tremble whenever they see a political discussion.

It might seem excessive – but the alternative is allowing Key to use the GCSB and a thoroughly corrupt and compliant media to circumvent the normal operations of democracy. I’m somewhat attached to democracy and do not take kindly to its organised subversion.

And is this a one off desire for violence by Mr Munro. No he advocated killing the Prime Minister in May.

And in 2011 he said on Scoop:

We should not protect our politicians. Let them get what they have earned. The massive redundancy in the profession ensures their positions will be filled almost instantly. Look at Rodney – a replacement was found even before anyone got around to shooting him.

So who is Stuart Munro:

A former fisherman then civil servant (with MAF)

This guy was a so called neutral public servant!!!

He talks very tough online about beating up journalists and killing MPs. I suspect in real life he is scared of his own shadow.

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70 Responses to “They’re getting more deranged as the election gets closer”

  1. Elaycee (4,393 comments) says:

    He talks very tough online….. …. I suspect in real life he is scared of his own shadow.

    Could Stuart Munro be Milkmilo? 8O

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  2. alex Masterley (1,517 comments) says:

    He can stay in Korea then if he is so down on NZ.

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  3. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Why give oxygen to the views of a deranged lunatic, DPF?

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  4. All_on_Red (1,584 comments) says:

    Mikey, did you ask that over at Pundit?
    #leftiesarehypocrites

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  5. SW (240 comments) says:

    Do you read your own blog commentators DPF?

    Why are you highlighting one comment from this idiot from 2011?

    Why is your headline ‘they’ – are you implying this is a reflection of people with views contrary to yourself? Again, do you read the comments left here from people of your political persuasion?

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  6. YesWeDid (1,048 comments) says:

    DPF, you mention this but nothing about the bullets fired into the Mana electorate office.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10222550/Bullet-holes-in-Mana-office

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  7. Auberon (873 comments) says:

    “DPF, you mention this but nothing about the bullets fired into the Mana electorate office?

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10222550/Bullet-holes-in-Mana-office

    I expect because the twisted prick fired them into his own windows – he’s found it tough getting publicity lately.

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  8. SGA (1,071 comments) says:

    DPF at 2:00pm

    They’re getting more deranged as the election gets closer

    I agree, elections seem to do that to people.

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  9. lastmanstanding (1,297 comments) says:

    The concept of a neutral public servant is an oxymoron. Most thinking people have political opinions. That is a fact of human nature. To try and deny it is to try and deny the sun rises in the morning and sets in the evening.
    Public servants not only have political opinion they have the motive and opportunity to do considerable damage to Governments.

    Look at the current diplomatic case. John Allen wasn’t informed at the time. Murray McCully wasn’t informed at the time.Tthe simple fact is diplomats getting themselves into a spot of bother with the law is not and never has been a daily occurrence. Quite the contrary. There have only been a handful of such cases involving diplomats in my recollection over a number decades I prefer not to mention.

    So one has to suspect that an operative or operatives in MFAT decided to white ant both their CEO and the Min of F A. And just before a General Election. How convenient.

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  10. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    Here he is:

    Stuart Munro
    Masters Student in ELT Materials Design at International Graduate School of English
    Seongnam, Gyeonggi-do, Korea

    http://kr.linkedin.com/pub/stuart-munro/2b/852/8ab

    You might want to save a screenshot before it disappears.

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  11. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    lastman
    Political neutrality does not require public servants to have no political opinions. It even permits them to express their political opinions, within fairly broad guidelines.

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  12. Pete George (23,594 comments) says:

    He’s a fan of Martin Bradbury.

    Bomber rocks. His occasional overstatements are a product of the enthusiasm that makes him such a pleasure to read. He’s paid the price for all this passion – no comfortable insider sinecure despite being three times the journalistic talent of many MSM hacks. And he serves an important function – getting another narrative out. I’m afraid Rob missed the mark a bit this time – and that’s more important in a party mentat than in someone who is professionally outspoken like Bomber.

    If he made the Labour right angry so much the better.

    And Laila Harre and Kim Dotcom:

    Well I’m old Alliance so very glad to see Laila – reinforces my liking for KDC.

    And strategically? It is brilliant – the pissing and moaning on the right completely missed the threat as usual. Laila is … unlikely … to waka jump to prop up the tottering shambles of the Key debacle.

    Makes her a safe bet.

    He’s been frequenting The Daily Blog, the Standard and other left leaning forums. I’ve had some not very constructive encounters.

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  13. Rich Prick (1,705 comments) says:

    From his linkedin profile:

    “Bachelor of Arts (B.A.), English
    1980 – 2007″

    Unless it’s a typo, 27 years must be some kind of record for getting a BA!

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  14. tom hunter (4,894 comments) says:

    Is he the guy who posts as Colonial Viper at the Stranded?

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  15. SGA (1,071 comments) says:

    Other_Andy’s link (at 2:20 pm ) provides insight into Stuart’s troubled past – “My father found his vocation in the church, did an MA in divinity at Yale through the Fulbright program, and taught ministry aspirants at Knox College in Dunedin.” (ok, I’m kidding, please point the flame throwers in the other direction – you know who you are)
    In this case a “public servant” seems to be “a government fisheries observer, and ultimately a quality assurance trainer on foreign vessels”, fwiw.

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  16. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    It’s not so much the violent fantsys that bother me.

    It’s the down-the-nose “oh, you comment at kiwiblog” comments from the same people.

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  17. mikemikemikemike (325 comments) says:

    And how many right wing commentators and blog audience members have wished that Hone was in his office when it was shot it?

    You have a crack at the left using the term Nazi, yet you have done this. You lament the left’s apparent lust for actual blood, yet the right are as bad if not worse. There are examples almost daily, I can’t wait for the election to be over so I can read something intelligent again.

    Spare us the lecture about being decent, you and your ilk are as bad as the other side, if not worse because you defend/justify your comments.

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  18. notrotsky (84 comments) says:

    Just another loud mouthed internet lunatic, sadly there’s just as many on the rightish side of NZ politics as the left.

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  19. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    He’s a fan of Martin Bradbury.

    What are you suggesting? Bradbury’s commentary is a valued additions to New Zealand’s political landscape. His measured and reasoned tone… wait, oh, Martin. Hm, yea.

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  20. Pete George (23,594 comments) says:

    “Is he the guy who posts as Colonial Viper at the Stranded?”

    No, that’s Tat Loo. Stuart posts under ‘Stuart Munro’ at The Standard.

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  21. notrotsky (84 comments) says:

    @scrubone…. don’t badmouth Bradbury he’s one of the finest real-estate agents in Auckland.

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  22. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    Interestingly enough the English Graduate School of English (Where he claims to work) doesn’t have him on their staff list.

    http://english.igse.ac.kr/Academic/Faculty.asp

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  23. RRM (9,933 comments) says:

    Politics on the internet attracts nutters – blogger astonished :-)

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  24. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    mikemikemikemike says:

    “And how many right wing commentators and blog audience members have wished that Hone was in his office when it was shot it?”

    Any links….?

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  25. OneTrack (3,114 comments) says:

    “I agree, elections seem to do that to people.”

    I agree, elections seem to do that to lefties when they think they might lose.

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  26. SGA (1,071 comments) says:

    Pete George at 2:36 pm

    Stuart posts under ‘Stuart Munro’ at The Standard.

    Posts under his own name, does he. Often a bad sign. :-)

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  27. OneTrack (3,114 comments) says:

    mike – ” You lament the left’s apparent lust for actual blood, yet the right are as bad if not worse.”

    Sorry mike, but no, the “right” aren’t as bad.

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  28. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    Spare us the lecture about being decent, you and your ilk are as bad as the other side, if not worse because you defend/justify your comments.

    I think it’s a valid point that bad behaviour should be condemned more often. Sometimes it’s good to stop and look around and consider if there hasn’t been a degradation in standards that has happened so gradually no one has noticed.

    However, your “the left is better” comment would hold a lot more water if there was anything on that thread, other than someone wondering at the lack of condemnation. I’ve noted more than once that a few years ago I was looking at hundreds of blogs looking for NZ ones, and the ones who were all f$$k this and f$$k that were invariably left-wing – the violent rhetoric stood out long before the political bent could be detected.

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  29. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    So when people on this blog make comments about how an entire race should be put down, how a female politician should get ‘a murri dog up her’ and other such equally disgusting comments, we can expect DPF to delete them, and you all to pass comment to the writer of what a disgusting piece of works he/she is?

    I look forward to seeing that in the future, because I’m sure you none of you are hypocrites.

    This guy is clearly a fruit loop – but that has nothing to do with his political persuasion. If you’re going to apply such a measure, then you need to apply it to those on here that are prone to similar disgusting outbursts. The insults and suggested violence on this blog at times is just as horrible – the fact the example above is geared at the prime minister or whoever, does not make it any more severe, making such statements about any person is wrong. But you can’t cry foul, unless you are prepared to accept it is wrong for everyone.

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  30. Pete George (23,594 comments) says:

    “Spare us the lecture about being decent, you and your ilk are as bad as the other side”

    While “you and your ilk” is a bit generalised mikemikemike makes a reasonable point, there are quite often violent comments here, and often supported by others (but also thumbed down).

    Examples from yesterday’s GD:

    No bloody use putting shots through the doorway if the targets absent!

    Gota practice JB…next time use something bigger like a Parker Hale 270

    starboard -I hope they pepper it with 50 cal holes. The local bros’ are unhappy he is teaming with a fat white Kraut.

    Where as Dime has received the prestigious “Kiwiblog MVP” award on 3 occasions, you are a worthless cunt :) now go see if your 23 yr old bull dyke boss needs you to do some filing or something

    id break the pricks neck with my bare hands if the courts said it was ok.

    not much makes me angrier than violence against women & children. they can fuck off with their rape culture bullshit cause i know most blokes think like me.

    If you confront these sorts of comments you’re likely to get abused and lied about. I’ve encountered Stuart a few times and he’s been no worse than some here.

    Other_Andy – see from http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/07/general_debate_2_july_2014.html#comment-1352499

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  31. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Rich Prick (1,510 comments) says:
    July 3rd, 2014 at 2:29 pm

    27 years is no where near the record for the duration of getting a degree. Some start them when young and do not go back and complete them until retired. It’s not an unusual length of time.

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  32. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    Yeah PG, cause saying youd like to snap the neck of a rapist is just the same as wanting to kill the PM. Idiot.

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  33. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    Pete, I always think of you as a reasonably sensible bloke. I’m surprised to see you supporting rape culture culture.

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  34. Kleva Kiwi (289 comments) says:

    A lot of Tertiary education has a maximum limit of 10 years to get the qualification.
    Although I am dubious to call a Bachelor in Arts degree a qualification….

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  35. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Kleva Kiwi (278 comments) says:
    July 3rd, 2014 at 3:05 pm

    That generally applies only to those who first registered when the ruling was in place. Those who registered before the ruling was made, are entitled to continue under the rules in which they first enrolled. I believe, although have not seen the evidence that the new ruling was challenged legally, and that is why it now applies in those circumstances.

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  36. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2014/07/shooting-at-mps.html

    Apparently the right has been “whipping up hatred against Hone harawira”. Funny, I thought we were pointing out the fact he’s a nasty little racist.

    Seems that who’s right depends on where you start from.

    Added: But the funny thing is, last time I remember someone political attacking an MP’s office it was Bomber attacking Clark’s. And I seem to recall a few cases in the US that were initially blamed on the Tea Party, only to turn out to be related to the Occupy movement.

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  37. Pete George (23,594 comments) says:

    Not just the same dime, but quite similar in that it’s promoting violence and killing as a way of dealing with someone you don’t like, whether a criminal or a politician. I think that in a modern civil society you are wrong claiming “i know most blokes think like me”, but obviously we still have substantial remnants of a culture of violence.

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  38. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    YesWeDid>DPF, you mention this but nothing about the bullets fired into the Mana electorate office.

    Hone and his family have a record of violence, bullying, and crime. I’m not surprised that they’re involved in something that involves shooting. I’m not sure why we should be interested in their issues, just because one of the family is an MP.

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  39. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    “Not just the same dime, but quite similar in that it’s promoting violence and killing as a way of dealing with someone you don’t like, whether a criminal or a politician. I think that in a modern civil society you are wrong claiming “i know most blokes think like me”, but obviously we still have substantial remnants of a culture of violence.”

    urgh. i’m sure you don’t hang out with actual men. just neutered wimps like yourself.

    wanting to deal to a scumbag who rapes women or beats women is a natural instinct imho.

    but we know your history, mr do nothing.

    just to be clear, you think this is similar

    1) guy hears report of evil bastard following a woman home, breaking into her house and sexually assualting her. he states he’d like to break the guys neck or whatever the expression of the day is.

    2) guy doesn’t like opposing politician, wants him dead.

    finally, you suffer from the inability to tell when someone is talking shit, shooting the shit and being deadly serious. you lack the social skills it would seem.

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  40. Pete George (23,594 comments) says:

    I think the office of an MP being shot up is a serious issue, regardless of who the MP is. Violence and intimidation should be condemned whoever the intended target is.

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  41. Nookin (3,354 comments) says:

    It is really rather difficult to disagree with Judith’s post at 2:48 p.m.

    There is not a hell of a lot of difference between Munro’s posts and some of those we saw yesterday (dad4justice being an extreme example) in relation to the bullet holes in Hone’s electoral offices.

    The level of antagonism and ad hominem comment on Kiwiblog is fast approaching a nastiness of The Standard. I fully appreciate that DPF has got his hands full and cannot moderate everything. Slater, on the other hand, has taken the bull by the horns and has cleaned up his site significantly. It seems to me that there has been a corresponding increase in comments.

    After a while you get sick of wading through the crap.

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  42. Richard Hurst (859 comments) says:

    Would his supposed employer in Korea, assuming he’s still there be interested in seeing his statements online?

    I taught English in Korea many years ago for about a year, just after uni to pay off student loan. The Kiwi dollar was VERY low back then. The job was not a challenge and frankly could be done by anyone with Uni entrance and a sense of humour to get over the culture gaps. I don’t think much of Munro’s sense of humour or state of mental health. He’d be a danger to the students he’s teaching.

    Anyway considering his politics he should be teaching in the DPRK!

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  43. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    Not just the same dime, but quite similar in that it’s promoting violence and killing as a way of dealing with someone you don’t like, whether a criminal or a politician.

    I don’t think that wanting a guilty person to suffer is remotely the same as an innocent person to suffer. But then, people who threaten the PM generally have found him guilty in their own mind… so I guess that’s where you’re coming from.

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  44. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    PG – i note you left the smiley face off johnboys quote. kinda changes the context dont ya think?

    “No bloody use putting shots through the doorway if the targets absent! :)”

    followed by

    “Gota practice JB…next time use something bigger like a Parker Hale 270″

    that is what we call people talking shit. if you think they are serious you need help.

    i miss that crappy site you were working on. kept you busy.

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  45. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Pete George>I think the office of an MP being shot up is a serious issue, regardless of who the MP is. Violence and intimidation should be condemned whoever the intended target is.

    On one level you’re correct. Gangs take pot shots at each other on a fairly regular basis and obviously there is always a danger that someone innocent gets caught in the crossfire. But this issue doesn’t become more serious just because one of the Harawira gang happens to be an MP.

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  46. m@tt (629 comments) says:

    David. Do you truly believe KB frequenters are better or do you just choose to ignore that both the left and right of politics have nutters and blogs like KB, TS, WO etc. give them a place to exercise there nuttery in all it’s unhealthy glory?

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  47. Pete George (23,594 comments) says:

    How does a smiley face change the context? Talking about shooting someone is ok if you joke about it?

    Joking about violence is a significant part of the culture of violence. People who joke about violence won’t necessarily be violent people, but they give tacit approval to people who think violence is normal. Abusiveness and intolerance for different views or different politics are all part of the same problem

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  48. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    that is what we call people talking shit. if you think they are serious you need help.

    Ok, to play devil’s advocated – why is that “talking shit” and the comment in the post not? Because I suspect that’s how it would be justified if you were on the other side.

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  49. s.russell (1,642 comments) says:

    I found the comment: “I’m somewhat attached to democracy and do not take kindly to its organised subversion.” coming right after advocating violent assault and intimidation against people he disagrees with to be amusing, in a way. I am saddened that he does not see the contradiction in his own words.

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  50. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    “How does a smiley face change the context? Talking about shooting someone is ok if you joke about it?”

    i cant help you.

    Scrubone – do you think a smiley face signals they arent 100% serious or are taking the piss? cause i do. most normal people do.

    as for the shit bag that DPF is talking about. I think his grassy knoll comment about JK was just a guy talking shit. the main example about the journalists seems to have a bit of anger behind it. doesnt bother me tbh. im only commenting here cause dipshit mentioned my name.

    the only reason its worth pointing out what this Munro guy is on about is to highlight the hypocrisy of the left. they get all high and mighty but are just as bad as anyone.

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  51. thedavincimode (6,800 comments) says:

    The more publicity this guy gets the better.

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  52. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    s.russell: ditto.

    In the US, you’ve got the Tea Party, and the Occupy movement. Occupy protests typically involve mass arrests, Tea Party… not so much. I googled that fact (clarification: the claim that no TP’er had been arrested at a TP rally) a while ago, because I didn’t believe it and stumbled on a discussion where some lefties concluded that it was because the TP was more about protecting the status quo (in reality, reforming the system) whereas the occupy movement wants to destroy capitalism etc.

    Thus, the occupy movement is more violent, because they see police as protecting the system they want to destroy. The TP see the police as enforcing the law, which they want to see properly enforced.

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  53. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    scrubone – the occupy movement had a few things right. they just targeted the wrong people. their system is shite though

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  54. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    the only reason its worth pointing out what this Munro guy is on about is to highlight the hypocrisy of the left. they get all high and mighty but are just as bad as anyone.

    Yes they are just as bad as anyone, including the right and especially the people on this blog who day after day use violence within their rhetoric, and yet now, here you are, getting all high and mighty (and acting just like the left) saying that a smiley face makes it different, in some way.

    How about if someone smiles when they pull the trigger, does that make it better than someone who is frowning, does that mean they should get a lesser sentence, because it was ‘just a joke’ and ‘rather funny’?

    The fact is that violent rhetoric etc contributes to the violence in our society because it assists in normalising it. Yes, its all a big joke, until someone takes it that step further, and then, its not quite so funny anymore.

    Violence is not alright in any form. Whether it is a joke, a comment or an act. We are meant to be civilised and have control over our actions – and yet, we continue to support violence, because its ‘funny’ (providing its against someone you don’t like).

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  55. alwyn (427 comments) says:

    Surely there is nothing wrong with taking 20+ years to complete your degree?
    Stephen Joyce, who most of the commentators here probably approve of, took 21 years from start to finish.
    When it was conferred he even had Mallard congratulating him in the House.

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  56. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    In reply to Judith.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

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  57. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    Do we know for a fact that the Stuart Munro on Pundit is the same as the person linked to above? I’d want to be pretty certain about that before providing a link, even if it is public.

    There are some dumbasses on the right. Hell it’s not even a function of a constructed political dimension like “left and right”. DPF has been pretty good about banning people who make serious threats though, as well as those who incite others to kill themselves and their family (as a certain Pasifika chauvanist kiwiblogger did once).

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  58. freemark (581 comments) says:

    scrubone (3,002 comments) says:
    July 3rd, 2014 at 4:36 pm
    In reply to Judith.

    Ouch!!

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  59. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    PG: would you describe yourself as a happy person? At peace with who you are?

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  60. Pete George (23,594 comments) says:

    There’s always room for improvement but pretty relaxed and happy/satisfied with my lot most of the time. I even get a lot of laughs here and around social media. I see myself as at the opposite of a number of (apparently) bitter and twisted who seem perpetually pissed off.

    It can be challenging in politics but I look for positives as much as possible – but obviously am prepared to confront negatives. And unlike most have been prepared to do that openly and honestly, which is a bit of a battle at times against dishonest anonymous pundits with agendas and chips on their shoulders (some seem to have whole sacks of spuds).

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  61. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    And unlike most have been prepared to do that openly and honestly, which is a bit of a battle at times against dishonest anonymous pundits with agendas and chips on their shoulders

    And yet you support rape culture culture. I just don’t understand that.

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  62. jcuknz (704 comments) says:

    Dime 3.33 If Dime is a ‘real man’ then god help us.
    I read Martin Bradbury a couple of times and dismissed him as a hopeless nutter on The Daily Blog.
    Judith 4.27 Such common sense is not liked here … such a pity

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  63. Pete George (23,594 comments) says:

    scrubone – many people don’t know what ‘rape culture’ can mean (there’s different interpretations) and some feel threatened if they think they are being linked to a culture that can support attitudes of demeaning sexual behaviour.

    They don’t understand that they are not necessarily being blamed for anything, as it’s possible to inadvertently contribute to a culture.

    Like examples on this thread of joking about violence I’ve seen joking about rape here. I’ve seen victims of rape being blamed for what they wear and what they drink and where they go – the ‘asking for it’ arguments. I’ve seen jokes about rape. I’ve seen plenty of demeaning and derogatory sexual references.

    It’s not surprising that people who don’t recognise symptoms of a negative culture don’t accept that such a culture can exists.

    And part of the culture is reactive – for example confronting violence culture on this thread got attack/defence reactions, like:
    “urgh. i’m sure you don’t hang out with actual men. just neutered wimps like yourself.”

    And I haven’t mentioned rape culture for quite some time but am still frequently accused and abused about it. Things I’ve said in honest attempts to explain things are misrepresented, possibly misunderstood, sometimes just used in vindictive attacks.

    There’s examples of all this on this thread.

    We have a major problem with many forms of violence in our society. While many of us are not directly responsible for acts of violence I think as members of society we have a responsibility to try and address it and speak up against violence and confront and reduce things that contribute to cultures supporting violence including sexual violence.

    And we have a long way to go. The attacks on me and others here for speaking against violence here are evidence of that – as is the unwillingness of many people to speak against violence (and rape) for fear of being attacked for it.

    There is a very noticeable culture on Kiwiblog that supports and defends violence. Just look at mikemikemike’s comment that pointed out the irony and double standard of this post.

    And how many right wing commentators and blog audience members have wished that Hone was in his office when it was shot it?

    You have a crack at the left using the term Nazi, yet you have done this. You lament the left’s apparent lust for actual blood, yet the right are as bad if not worse. There are examples almost daily, I can’t wait for the election to be over so I can read something intelligent again.

    Spare us the lecture about being decent, you and your ilk are as bad as the other side, if not worse because you defend/justify your comments.

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    It’s notable that the initial reaction to that was significantly negative, although many people are prepared to think things through because my comment supporting and proving mmm’s comment reversed that reaction to Vote: Thumb up 14 Thumb down 5.

    But vocal and aggressive minority keep defending violent behaviour, often very abusively, They claim to be ‘actual men’ and anyone confronting them is a ‘neutered wimp’. How tough.

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  64. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    Pete, are you familiar with what’s going on in US colleges? Over there, the argument “rape culture” is being used to implement rules which are so badly balanced that virtually any man can be kicked out of college if he is accused.

    I think that is deplorable. It’s ruining lives.

    George Will wrote a column about it, pointing out a case that clearly wasn’t rape, and pointing to the fact that the maths just don’t stack up. Suddenly, he’s being dropped as a columnist by various media organisations.

    This is what is so stupid about Judith’s comment above. She talks about violent words. Yet this is such a slippery concept, it means virtually anything that the person using the term wants it to mean. Sarah Palin was accused because she did what any politician does – talked about “targeted” races.

    What Judith is really talking about is thought crimes. Yet if you read her comment, she tacitly acknowledges that really, the problem is when words turn into actions. But instead of encouraging people to know the difference between word and action, and joke and being serious (or what we really should not joke about), we have things like rape culture culture and “microaggression” where people pounce in increasingly tiny and random “signs” that someone is secretly a really bad person.

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  65. Pete George (23,594 comments) says:

    scrubone – I agree that there are dangers with it being taken too far. As there are dangers with it not being addressed enough. Finding a reasonable balance is a challenge.

    Over-reaction is seen by some as necessary to redress an imbalance that has been prevalent for a very long time, but it can become counter-productive as it can antagonise people who might otherwise support corrective actions.

    It’s a very complex, difficult issue. But the open promotion of violence and excuses for it that are frequently seen on Kiwiblog and other forums are often clearly part of a damaging culture.

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  66. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    I’ll believe feminists are serious about “rape culture” when they stop supporting Hillary Clinton.
    http://www.theconservative.co.nz/?q=node/825

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  67. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    Finding a reasonable balance is a challenge.

    Pete, the people who are at the core of calls of “rape culture” are not after balance. They are directly pushing for the laws and rules I spoke of above, laws that are already ruining lives. If you’re using the term, you’re siding with them and you are not on the side of balance.

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  68. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    http://www.mindingthecampus.com/2014/07/new-data-refutes-rape-culture-activists/
    The Washington Post has helpfully compiled a table, using Clery Act statistics, of allegations of campus sexual assaults in 2012 (the last year for which figures are available, including all schools with 1000 or more students). To put it mildly, the data do not substantiate White House claims of a virtually unprecedented violent crime wave on today’s college campuses. The data also, as Reason has observed, suggest that reports of sexual assault are on the decline, further calling into question the “rape culture” panic that has emerged since the 2011“Dear Colleague” letter.

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  69. Pete George (23,594 comments) says:

    scrubone – as I said earlier the term can have varying meanings. That I sometimes use the term doesn’t mean I’m siding with an extreme use of it.

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  70. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    That I sometimes use the term doesn’t mean I’m siding with an extreme use of it.

    Nice to know. But it seems to me that if you wanted to disassociate from the extremists, you’d avoid using their terms.

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