We should pull out like the Aussies

July 21st, 2014 at 2:00 pm by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

The lack of clarity from holders Oracle Team USA around the next America’s Cup looks to have cost organisers its challenger of record.

Hamilton Island Yacht Club today advised America’s Cup organisers of their intention to withdraw Team Australia from the 35th America’s Cup.

A statement from the syndicate said it was proving too difficult for a start-up commercial team to put a challenge together when no dates or venue have been confirmed for the event.

“The Challenge was initiated with a view to negotiating a format for the 35th America’s Cup that was affordable and put the emphasis back on sailing skills,” the statement read.

“Ultimately our estimate of the costs of competing were well beyond our initial expectation and our ability to make the formula of our investment and other commercial support add up.”

We should do the same. Oracle have screwed the scrum with a set of rules that favour them, and the next Cup will be (even more than normal) about who has the most money, not the best sailors.

In a competitors meeting held in Los Angeles last weekend, several teams expressed their reservations over the two remaining venue options – San Diego and Bermuda – and emphasised the a lack of certainly around dates and venue was hampering efforts to secure funding.

All challengers should pull out. That would force Oracle to agree to rule changes.

Emirates Team New Zealand CEO Grant Dalton said he was disappointed to see the Australian syndicate pull out but said the Kiwi team were on track.

“We have the class rule and the design team is well into its programme; the sailing team continues to compete successfully overseas, with great recent results by Dean Barker and Glenn Ashby in the A class cats worlds and Peter Burling and Blair Tuke still dominating the 49er scene,” said Dalton.

“In addition, we have never been in better shape with potential sponsors.”

Good. No more taxpayer money then.

 

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35 Responses to “We should pull out like the Aussies”

  1. thor42 (971 comments) says:

    Agreed. Pull out and let Oracle play with themselves (so to speak……:) )

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  2. JMS (331 comments) says:

    As long as no taxpayer money is involved, I don’t care what they do.

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  3. G152 (349 comments) says:

    Join up with the Aussies and have our own regatta

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  4. Yogibear (366 comments) says:

    New Zealand’s Jack Bauer today spent 222km leading a stage in the Tour de France.

    The global exposure/TV audience Bauer got in 5 hours is almost certainly larger than Team NZ have managed in 4 years.

    Shove a “Buy NZ Boats” on his pants and “Visit NZ” logo on his top and you’d get more benefit at fraction of what its cost the taxpayer to prop up Team NZ.

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  5. Rick Rowling (813 comments) says:

    Clearly if the America’s Cup brings in more benefit to the Auckland boat-builders than it costs to enter, there won’t be any hesitation by the Auckland boat builders to fully fund it

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  6. James Stephenson (2,191 comments) says:

    Join up with the Aussies and have our own regatta

    Every couple of years, alternate between Auckland and Freo.

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  7. thedavincimode (6,800 comments) says:

    In addition, we have never been in better shape with potential sponsors.

    Gosh, and it seems like only 5 minutes ago that the project was about to collapse in a heap for the sake of a couple of mill. How about that?

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  8. Fletch (6,408 comments) says:

    We should pull out like the Aussies

    For a moment, I thought the article was going to be about the carbon tax, to which I was going to answer: yes, we should!

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  9. Fisiani (1,039 comments) says:

    The America’s Cup was so 20th century. It is no longer a sailing contest.
    How about Team New Zealand hosting a true sailing contest the inaugural Southern Cross Trophy.

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  10. edhunter (547 comments) says:

    Yogi we have a professional cycle team already http://nzcyclingproject.com
    I don’t have a problem with not competing but to talk about setting up our own or joint regatta with the aussies is akin to throwing the toys out of the sandpit & saying Screw it, I’m going home.

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  11. Gulag1917 (930 comments) says:

    Boycott the America’s Cup until it is in writing they will play fair or cop damages. Meanwhile have an alternative cup for the rest of the world that wants to play fair.

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  12. Armotur (34 comments) says:

    I agree New Zealand should pull out right now and make it clear to Oracle that the reason is because of the skewed rules the Oracle have put in place. No one to play with so what will Oracle do.
    However, Team NZ top members are on a good earner her so they will hang in as long as they have funds.

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  13. stephieboy (3,163 comments) says:

    This farce needs to, under the circumstances ,resurrect the principle a level playing field .
    Team NZ , withdraw.!!

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  14. 2boyz (262 comments) says:

    The rules have been pushed so far it’s so one sided it’s a joke. Just as long as no tax payer money is used who cares, as a sporting event it’s dead in the water.

    As others have said have a boat race down here and make the boat cost and design realistic from a cost stand point.

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  15. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    No alternative competition would have the prestige of the America’s Cup. No alternative competition would attract the sponsorship millions. Team NZ will continue to play – there’s nothing else they can do.

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  16. Manolo (13,837 comments) says:

    You must be dreaming to think that Grant Dalton is going to let this opportunity pass. He’ll sign up time after time.

    Where else would you get 2 million dollars per year for losing?

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  17. Longknives (4,764 comments) says:

    “How about Team New Zealand hosting a true sailing contest the inaugural Southern Cross Trophy.”

    Waah! We’re not good enough to win the America’s Cup so we will sulk off have our own competition with our own rules to guarantee New Zealand wins.
    We should therefore do the same in other sports as well!
    For Example- As they were cruelly denied victory this year the All Whites should start their own ‘South Pacific’ World Cup…
    The ever-unlucky Black Caps should start a ‘South Pacific’ World Championship, The Silver Ferns should start their own breakaway tournament also (without those pesky cheating Aussies)
    Winning Hakas all round! (It’s all about the Haka!)

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  18. transmogrifier (522 comments) says:

    That the non-sailing public give a toss about the America’s Cup in any way, shape or form is still one of life’s great mysteries.

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  19. Dazzaman (1,140 comments) says:

    A big uptick for you transmogrifier…..buggery that’s a fingerful to type.

    I pray fervently for this work scheme to die ever so quickly.

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  20. Julian (178 comments) says:

    This is fairly unexceptional by historical AC standards. It’s always been one-sided, that’s part of the challenge.

    Australia pulled out because Coutts won’t finalise the location, which vindicates what Dalton has been saying all along.

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  21. Akaroa (558 comments) says:

    Americas Cup eh?

    What I’ve always pondered over is the question of what actual, quantifiable benefit accrues to the holder of this evidently magical Cup, or to the successful challenger?

    I’m not a boat type person so i don’t know if there’s a monetary reward for a successful challenge or defence?. If there is it has to be pretty substantial to make a challenge a worthwhile, viable and profitable undertaking. (One thing i do know is that yacht racing at Americas Cup level is expensive!!)

    And if there isn’t a monetary reward for winning, then whatever is the point of year after year making ourselves look like perpetual also-rans? (OK I know we won it once – but what did THAT cost?)

    No. Sorry folks, but this Kiwi thinks its time to allow “Americas Cup’ – or should it be called ‘The Great Kiwi Money-Squandering Exercise” – to lapse into history where it belongs with a lot of the other expensive, meaningless hangovers from the crazy 1930s.

    (And BTW, I don’t usually have much time for our trans-Tasman cousins, but I have to say that in kicking the Americas Cup into touch they’ve sure got it right this time!!)

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  22. dog_eat_dog (781 comments) says:

    There are literally thousands of sailing competitions. The most sought-after is the America’s Cup for a reason – it’s the oldest trophy in world sport. It has a mystique that’s forged in failure, success, misery and espionage.

    No one is going to give a shit about another ‘world championship’ event without the trophy and the drama attached to it. It would be like holding a slot car race in your lounge and expecting people to treat it like the Monaco Grand Prix.

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  23. Akaroa (558 comments) says:

    And if I can add something more to my remarks above at 4.58 – if the yacht fanatics amongst us want to prove what ace sailors they are, then why not revive the Round-the-World yacht races of a few years ago?

    Now that – even to a landsman like me – that, my salty friends – was REAL yacht racing. None of this poncey three times round the mark of an afternoon and back to the yacht-clubhouse for tea!.

    No!! Those Round-the-World mariners were the the twenty-four carat dinkum sailors in my humble landsman’s opinion!!

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  24. rangitoto (247 comments) says:

    It leaves Oracle in an interesting position. If no other challenger has officially entered then there is no succession in place for the CoR, which would mean they are open to a Deed of Gift challenge if they don’t get things stitched up in a hurry. Maybe Ernie will have another tilt at it.

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  25. goldnkiwi (1,312 comments) says:

    It sounded very Catholic to me, a strategic withdrawal and all. ;) Then I thought carbon tax.

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  26. labrator (1,850 comments) says:

    We’re not good enough to win the America’s Cup so we will sulk off have our own competition with our own rules to guarantee New Zealand wins.

    Sport – Rules set by
    All Whites – Fifa, international body
    Black Caps – ICC, international body
    Silver Ferns – INF, international body
    America’s Cup – Last winner

    One of these things isn’t the same. The ISF should set up a class of match racing with these bigger boats. Formula 1 on the water. Any sport where the winner sets the next rules is a silly sport.

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  27. dog_eat_dog (781 comments) says:

    There’s already an Extreme Sailing Series. Alinghi and ETNZ compete in it. The fact most people probably don’t know it exists is a pretty good demonstration why no one would give a shit about an ‘Alternate America’s Cup’ as you suggest: they already don’t.

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  28. CharlieBrown (1,014 comments) says:

    Well I won’t be supporting or cheering for Team NZ out of principal. By participating in the cup they are endorsing the behavior of Oracle.

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  29. jonnycomelately (19 comments) says:

    C’mon guys lets not blow it now. Grant Dalton is on to a real winner – for him anyway. Lets not ruin his next 4 years on a bloated salary, entertaining all sorts of lovelies in far off places. At least he has all of the sponsorship he needs so no more sucking on the taxpayers tit. A Tui anyone?

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  30. RRM (9,933 comments) says:

    Pulling out might help with our teen pregnancy rates also…? ;-)

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  31. I Say Look Here (57 comments) says:

    The Aussies have only pulled out because they can’t get the coin together, whereas Dalton’s sounding extremely bullish about his budget. He’s probably happy to see the back of them too – the fewer challengers there are the easier it is for TNZ to win it. Though I’m not sure that easy is quite the right word!

    Giving Oracle the finger would be a fine, satisfying gesture, but beating the bastards would be better still, wouldn’t it?

    I’d put two conditions on my support. Firstly, no more taxpayer dollars. Secondly, I want Dalton to have a strong hunch that he’s got an advantage somewhere. Don’t know what, and of course he’s hardly likely to tell us, but as long as he thinks they have a genuine chance of winning the thing then go hard.

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  32. seanmaitland (501 comments) says:

    Its obvious to see the guys who have never played any real competitive sport in their lives. The amount of throwing of toys out of the cot on this page is hilarious. “Wah, its not fair, I’m not playing anymore”.

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  33. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    If Team NZ are now self-funded, whatever they do is between them and their sponsors.

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  34. Julian (178 comments) says:

    Akaroa – it’s called the Volvo Ocean Race – look it up. What’s the point in commenting if you know absolutely nothing about the subject?

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  35. RRM (9,933 comments) says:

    Akaroa – the America’s Cup is a private pissing contest between big boys with money to spend. Really big boys. It has NEVER been a nationalistic representative sport, no matter how much the legion of black singlet wearing, silver ferned, haka-dancing sports heads in this country like to make out that it is.

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