Will Mark succeed Peters?

July 31st, 2014 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Carterton mayor is not ruling out a return to Parliament.

The former New Zealand First MP said he had been approached by several parties including National.

“I have been asked by a number of parties. NZ First asked me last time and I said no and they have asked me this time and I am thinking about it,” Mark said.

Mark, 60, was a NZ First MP for 12 years before exiting Parliament, along with the Party, at the end of the 2008 election.

He said National have made it very clear that he would be “welcome in their tent”, with the Maori Party and Act also eager to talk.

“It’s all very flattering but you’ve got to think about what it is you really want to achieve and how best to achieve that, more importantly what the Wairarapa needs,” Mark says.

The horse may have bolted when it comes to National, however, with the Party announcing its list at the weekend.

Mark said he believed NZ First was well placed to return to Parliament at the September 20 Election.

“People have said to me you have to come back because we are going to be in Parliament and I said to Winston [Peters] that if that is the only reason for joining then that is the wrong reason.

“I am sure they will be back there, the question is will I be with them . . . I know that they are anxious to have me.”

If Ron Mark does return to Parliament as a NZ First MP, it will be to be Winston’s successor. That is not a bad thing.

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27 Responses to “Will Mark succeed Peters?”

  1. Viking2 (11,561 comments) says:

    Not lot on nice said about him last time. What would change?
    Oh an increase in salary.
    Yep

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  2. ShawnLH (5,688 comments) says:

    That would be good news. I have a lot of respect for Ron, and he would make a far more reasonable and trustworthy leader of NZF than Peters.

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  3. G152 (385 comments) says:

    Bellamys will have to cut back on the booze deliveries

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  4. Ross Miller (1,706 comments) says:

    That will piss off their Deputy Leader whoever he/she/it is.

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  5. s.russell (1,646 comments) says:

    Mark will not be Peters’ successor. Because Peters will never retire. Why on Earth do people think he will? Just because he is old and senile?

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  6. Chuck Bird (4,923 comments) says:

    National needs a long term coalition partner with more than one member ideally one that can make it over 5%. There is not an existing NZF MP who could achieve 5%. Ron Marks or Shane Jones could. John Key and senior National MPs are thinking past 2014.

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  7. big bruv (14,137 comments) says:

    Mark is as nasty as Peters, I do hope that he stands this year, NZ first fail to make the 5% threshold and he is never seen again in the house.

    If Ron Mark is the best that NZ first can come up with to replace Winston after 21 years then it says everything you need to know about the Winston first party.

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  8. hj (7,062 comments) says:

    NZ First certainly needs some talent, but whoever will have to run the gauntlet of a hostile media and the well-heeled self interested.
    I note Owen Glenn says he wouldn’t want the population of NZ to “get too big” . I’m sure they are out there (prominent New Zealanders) as well as the traitorous self interested.
    I can’t quite figure NZ First. It is almost as though Winston doesn’t want it to go ahead as he seems to have failed to develop any intellectual response to migration and culture

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  9. hj (7,062 comments) says:

    Why aren’t there links on the NZ First website to the savings Working Group Report or Putnam’s study of social cohesion and diversity (for example).

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  10. Auberon (873 comments) says:

    Worst kept secret since Denis O’Rourke and DJ Steve chose to live in the same house (despite having different addresses). There can’t be many people Ron Mark’s spoken to in the Wairarapa over the past three years who haven’t been confidently informed by the formally honourable member that he is New Zealand First’s heir apparent, and it’s all just a matter of time before he returns to the Capital :-)

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  11. Scott (1,817 comments) says:

    I have met Ron Mark and I’ve found him a decent and trustworthy chap. He has also been a well respected mayor of the town of Carterton. So New Zealand First could do a lot worse than have him succeed Winston Peters as their leader.

    On the wider issue I still believe that New Zealand does need a party to represent those of traditional values who are largely unrepresented in Parliament at the moment and generally ignored or put down by the media. A revitalised New Zealand 1st party could well be a good representative for those of traditional New Zealand values.

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  12. dirty harry (514 comments) says:

    “I have been asked by a number of parties. NZ First asked me last time and I said no and they have asked me this time and I am thinking about it,” Mark said.”

    Code…” I am running out of money, and the baubles do look good , ah wot the fuck….Im in ! “

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  13. DJP6-25 (1,389 comments) says:

    If ACT accept him, they’ve lost my vote and good will permanently!

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  14. tvb (4,501 comments) says:

    I think Brendan Horan saw himself as a successor but he got too pushy so Winston acted.

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  15. Unity (609 comments) says:

    I have a lot of respect for Ron Mark and it would be good for NZ First if he became one of their MPs. However, in a letter sent out today Winston said Ron Mark is not standing and he has not received any communication from him that he will be.

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  16. Richard (871 comments) says:

    There will be no successor for NZF. Once Winston goes (which will most likely mean Winston actually dying of old age or alcohol poisoning) NZF with its hopeless bunch of wannabe’s will rapidly sink into the sunset while the majority of its voters sink into extreme old age or the grave. The remaining rump of NZF support will go to National, Labour and the bulk probably to the Conservatives if their still around.

    As for Ron Mark, if he does seek a return to Parliament it will be with National of course.

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  17. David Garrett (7,533 comments) says:

    I thought Mark was by far their best behind the Great Charlatan…Rodney tells me he was very unpopular though…not sure why…

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  18. Chuck Bird (4,923 comments) says:

    DG, do you think Ron Mark would have a better chance of reaching 5% than Shane Jones?

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  19. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    @David Garrett

    not sure why…

    Perhaps because he indulged in the same gutter-politics name-calling to which some people subject you on here, but with even less reason in my case since I’ve never been convicted of so much as jay-walking.

    As DPF said at the time:

    there is no excusing his use of parliamentary privilege to label a critic a paedophile. It would be a good look for him to apologise for the remark

    He didn’t, despite my publicly challenging him to do so, or repeat it outside the House so he could be sued.

    So in addition to being an odious, self-important little smear merchant, hes also a coward.

    Trust that answers your question.

    tl;dr: What big bruv said.

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  20. Sarkozygroupie (208 comments) says:

    I live in Carterton and Ron Mark is my Mayor. I can tell you right now he is not “a well respected Mayor of the town of Carterton” and people are keeping silent and just waiting for him to move on. He is known disparagingly as Casper (the ghost) because in two terms he has never once approached any of the businesses to see what is really happening or what is needed in town, save for his little band of protégés that hang off his every word in the pub were he is into his hard drinking. It is cargo cult stuff.

    He is one of the nastiest people I’ve had the misfortune to have met or had dealings with. He is a little bully, he public insults and calls people names, belittles them if they stand up to him. He was as nice as pie when electioneering for his first term – hugely popular. As soon as he got what he wanted the knives came out. It was all a big act of which he is supremely polished at putting up a convincing charade.

    He has shut down public debate in the town and has hijacked the political process. He tramples over anyone he even slightly perceives might be against him. He is running his own little fiefdom at our expense and his sole aim is a unitary authority with him as super mayor of the Wairarapa.

    And if National or ACT ever invite him to stand they will never get my vote for as long as he is connected to them. All I can say is that I’m hugely relieved that National has closed the list and Alastair Scott is nominated to stand for Wairarapa (and he will be getting my vote). If he does stand in an electorate I hope it is a requirement he has to live there and we can see the back of him for good.

    DJP6-25, Rex Widerstrom, Viking2, dirty harry, and Big Bruv are all right on the money on this one.

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  21. maringi (16 comments) says:

    Agree with Sarkozy on Ron. He dabbles with the business of running Carterton, in between his iwi stuff and various other interests. He is a nice bloke to have a beer with but I can’t see him coming back to national politics. For one thing, he’d have to give the car back (that he made the ratepayers of Carterton supply him).

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  22. Unity (609 comments) says:

    Well, that really is interesting. I accept what the people who know him much better than I do, are saying about Ron Mark. Perhaps it’s just as well he doesn’t seem to be standing for NZ First. Perhaps Winston knows him well too and wouldn’t have him. His general public persona, to those who don’t know him well or come across him regularly, has always been good and I thought he was one of the good guys. It just goes to show that there are often two sides to a person.

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  23. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    @Sarkozygroupie

    Thanks for that insight. Hasn’t changed a bit, then. When I first came across him he was running some kind of go-kart track / paintball thing in Christchurch – Winston has sent me down to suss him out as a candidate (my recommendation was ‘not in a million years’ but Winston chose to ignore it when Laws began building just the kind of group of adoring protégés Mark himself now has).

    I wondered why what I’d imagined would be a popular pastime had virtually no customers all the time I was there… then I heard the way he spoke to those that did turn up. Tourists, obviously… all the locals already had him sussed, and were obviously giving him a wide berth.

    I sincerely hope that if the little scrote ever tries to come out from under his rock (no disrespect intended to Carterton or the Wairarapa, I love the place), you’ll be as free with your recollections as I intend to be with mine.

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  24. hj (7,062 comments) says:

    National (46%) lead over Labour/ Greens (42%) cut significantly as Key rules out deal with Conservative Party but says National would consider a deal with NZ First (5%)
    http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/5711-roy-morgan-new-zealand-voting-intention-july-31-2014-201407310230

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  25. Colville (2,298 comments) says:

    ….save for his little band of protégés that hang off his every word in the pub were he is into his hard drinking. It is cargo cult stuff.

    He is one of the nastiest people I’ve had the misfortune to have met or had dealings with. He is a little bully, he public insults and calls people names, belittles them if they stand up to him. He was as nice as pie when electioneering for his first term – hugely popular. As soon as he got what he wanted the knives came out. It was all a big act of which he is supremely polished at putting up a convincing charade.

    He has shut down public debate in the town and has hijacked the political process. He tramples over anyone he even slightly perceives might be against him. He is running his own little fiefdom at our expense and his sole aim is a unitary authority with him as

    are you sure your not talking about Winston Peters?

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  26. laworder (292 comments) says:

    I am very surprised to hear from Rex, big bruv, Sarkoy and other of this other side to him – I always held him in high regard when he was in Parliament and thought he was far far better than his leader. I had no reason to perceive him as other than reasonable and trustworthy as ShawnLH wrote (I was going to ditto his comment actually) but then I dont know him

    Regards
    Peter J

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  27. Unity (609 comments) says:

    I’m the same, laworder. I too had always held him in high regard but it just goes to show you doesn’t it. Seeing several have said the same thing about his other side, I guess they are probably right. I know not everyone likes or respects everyone for one reason or another, but it’s a shame though because I was hoping he would come back into politics.

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