A third anti-semitic defacement

August 11th, 2014 at 11:32 am by David Farrar

New Lynn Jew Hoarding

This one is from new Lynn. That is three different anti-semitic vandalism in three different electorates. I can’t imagine this is happening without co-ordination. In 2008 and 2011, I can’t recall any vandalism of this nature.

What is so offensive isn’t that they are targeting the PM, but the message being sent out to the many Jewish New Zealanders, that their race and religion is not acceptable. We’re one of the most tolerant societies on Earth, but there’s a few nasty creatures lurking around. I suspect it is the National Front, or their associates.

Race based hatred is vile.

UPDATE: And this just in from the West Coast:

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I’m not sure if this one is anti-Semitic, or just Godwin’s Law. But either way, rather offensive – especially to those who lived through WWII.

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78 Responses to “A third anti-semitic defacement”

  1. Lucia Maria (2,428 comments) says:

    Wow, this is horrifying. That one, by itself, doesn’t look too bad – but add them up and it’s not good.

    As some who knows the history of Europe, I hope this is nothing more than idiots trying to be smart, yet given everything else that is going on in the world, it’s always hard to tell in the early stages whether it is minor or not.

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  2. Unity (584 comments) says:

    I agree – it’s a total insult to the Jewish people. They have enough problems in the Middle East and especially with our biased media who are blaming them for the Palestinians’ problems when Hamas in fact always fire first. I feel the Israelis should be able to live in peace without rockets being fired at them indiscriminately all the time. There are definitely some nasty people in this country which is very sad.

    I doubt John Key will suffer from the disgraceful tampering of his billboards and in fact he could well benefit from it because the general public will feel sickened that people in this country could actually do such things and this could influence them to vote for National on principle.

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  3. stephieboy (3,091 comments) says:

    Can’t wait for some of our Conspiracy and RWR mob leap to the defence of these defacing morons.

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  4. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Probably copy-cat stuff. The more attention it’s given the more likely we will see more of it.

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  5. MT_Tinman (3,187 comments) says:

    I suspect it is the National Front, or their associates.

    I seriously doubt the National Front is organised enough to do this.

    I suspect that if the perpetrators are found they will be part of (or identify with) two well known (if not liked) political parties – both of which, incidentally, have lies as part of their names.

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  6. Zebulon (114 comments) says:

    The terror inflicted on school children in Sydney and events in Europe show that virulent anti Semitism is on the rise and moving into the mainstream. And now this in New Zealand. Lest we forget – or have some done so already?

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  7. Lucia Maria (2,428 comments) says:

    Probably copy-cat stuff. The more attention it’s given the more likely we will see more of it.

    And yet, it needs more attention. It needs more people on the lookout for the idiots who are doing this. This sort of thing can easily blaze out of control if it’s not dealt with and ignoring and hoping it’s going to go away is not going to work.

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  8. fernglas (157 comments) says:

    Most of the moronic prannies who do this wouldn’t know a Jew if one kicked them in the balls. Anti-Semitism is appalling, but when it is compounded by ignorance and a blind adherence to a doctrine which many died to prevent, it sickens one to the stomach. That’s assuming it is neo-nazis who are doing it. There’s plenty of anti-semitism on the left as well. If you substitute “Jew” for “Wall Street banker” you will get a better flavour of the true objective of many of the self styled 99%.

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  9. kaykaybee (152 comments) says:

    The worst of the left wing in NZ barely contain their hatred of the state of Israel and many of them hate Jews in general. It’s fundamental to belonging to almost any leftist group in NZ be Palestine aware and most have a pro Palestine position and are unswerving on the struggle for a HOMELAND. Basically to most on the left since it’s inception Israel has been an illegal nation. The Jews cannot win this one with them.

    I’m not surprised that Kiwi MHO operatives look for any opportunity to validate their hatred. When you’ve got haters and an unthinking MSM you’re home and hosed. This is NOT about the children killed in the Middle East otherwise the papers would be full of the atrocities in Syria, in Iraq and other war zones. This is about Pan Islam in my opinion and men like Minto, parties like Mana and the Greens are happily sucked into an hysterical vortex.

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  10. Captain Pugwash (98 comments) says:

    My parents had older siblings who fought & died in Italy fighting the Nazi’s, so this is disappointing, actually its more than that, but I don’t have the words at the moment to describe it.

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  11. James Stephenson (2,180 comments) says:

    There’s plenty of anti-semitism on the left as well. If you substitute “Jew” for “Wall Street banker” you will get a better flavour of the true objective of many of the self styled 99%.

    I’d bet real cash money that this is lefty “occupy” types. The MSM support for anti-Israeli stuff over Gaza seems to have bolstered their confidence enough for the mask to slip, and this is the result.

    It’s the first time I’ve seen “Jew” Zealand, but I’ve seen “Jewnited Nations” in a couple of places recently…what was that about being condemned to repeat history if you fail to learn from it?

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  12. ShawnLH (5,124 comments) says:

    Nothing to see here folks. It’s probably a false flag operation. Or the Jews are doing it to whip up sympathy. Or it’s all Israel’s fault.

    YEAH RIGHT.

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  13. G152 (341 comments) says:

    Time to put cameras at hoarding sites.
    Let every-one see who these heroes are.
    And a fine of $5000 for each site defaced.

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  14. Rick Rowling (813 comments) says:

    It’s not hard to figure out.

    Go to the Standard left-wing blogs and see that there are two really strong, ongoing memes:

    1) Palestine good, Israel bad bad bad

    2) John Key is evil incarnate.

    And they genuinely believe it, that black and white.

    +++++++++

    You’ll also notice on the various sites showing all the defaced hoardings, that EVERY party’s hoardings are defaced EXCEPT the Green Party ones.

    Which isn’t surprising – they’ve got form for political hoarding vandalism.

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  15. thePeoplesFlag (245 comments) says:

    The New Lynn one at least has some artistic merit, John Key looks quite fetching iwth ulta-orthodox ringlets. Nice hat to. And the Illuminati reference is a nice touch. Very Dan Brown.

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  16. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    The one with the Swastika is bad, because swastika tags are always bad, no argument there.

    But the “Working for Jew Zealand” one with the hat, and the beard, and the eye in the pyramid symbol? Really? That’s quite well done, come on…

    In between the nasty anti-semitic billboard vandalism, and some of the genuinely funny ones (Vote: Internet – NAAAAA Bro!) and all the attendant hand-wringing by people who take offense…. I’m rapidly forming the opinion that ALL political hoardings by ALL parties should be vandalised without mercy.

    What value do they add to anything? What do they do to inform the voter on any substantial issue?

    :-D My face.
    Tick me.
    Tick my party.

    :neutral: Righto…

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  17. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    What do they do to inform the voter on any substantial issue?
    Not their purpose, actually. Look at any advertising for cars, for example – all about the brand with no specifics. People are bored by details.

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  18. Yoza (1,875 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  19. ShawnLH (5,124 comments) says:

    “I would not be surprised if this was the work of National party activists or Friends of Israel attempting to drum up sympathy for their cause.”

    That’s because your a Nazi Jew hater, so of course you would assume that. The truth is that there is a reasonable chance that it’s the Jew hating and terrorist supporting gutter scum in the IMP party, the one you’re voting for.

    Oh, and I know people in the Friends of Israel groups, and they don’t stoop to this kind of racist gutter tactic. It’s YOUR lot that do.

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  20. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    @Yoza

    Do you actually believe the shit you are spewing forth… seriously?
    You actually think this is a vast National party conspiracy in concert with their evil Zionist overlords?

    I guess with fucked up logic like that the lefties can never ever do any wrong.

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  21. DJP6-25 (1,387 comments) says:

    The top one should form the backdrop for National’s campaign launch. No way it’ll shame the left of course. But it would be a good way to show undecided voters what National is up against.

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  22. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    Do you need to borrow some more tinfoil Yoza? Your hat seems to have vanished, and the aliens have invaded your thought processes…

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  23. Akaroa (557 comments) says:

    I think we are now, timewise, far enough away from the 30s and 40s in Europe , when German National Socialism (Nazism) was an extant political force/standpoint and the more evil significance of its aims and policies vis-a-vis those people of the Jewish persuasion had come to be understood by the European general public, to be able to say that the people in NZ who are daubing these crude additions to contemporary NZ election posters have little or no appreciation or understanding about what National Socialism’s swastika trademark means to many people who lived through WW2 in Europe.

    If they had they would realise how totally inaccurate and inappropriate in contemporary terms is the ‘message’ behind their childish daubings. Put simply, the swastika and the Jewish people are anathema to each other.

    The moronic representation of the swastika – (which, btw, is an ancient Greek symbol that was adopted by the National Socialists) – on some election posters together with the addition on other posters of Jewish features signifies to me – what I had already guessed – that the perpetrators are people – (using the term ‘people’ loosely here!) – of very limited political awareness or intelligence or, even, life experience.

    The weak, ineffective and pitiful posturing, that we occasionally catch sight of from time to time, of these latter-day ‘me-too!’ pseudo-Nazis would doubtless have their idols at whatever of level of Hell they currently occupy – amongst these of course being Messrs A Hitler, H Himmler, J Goebels and their associates – tittering amongst themselves to see the gauche, witless and pathetic attempts to re-kindle National Socialism in such a schoolboy, nyah-nyah manner.

    (And I apologise for here giving these morons my attention. To ignore them is actually the best means of countering their vapidity)

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  24. Slipster (170 comments) says:

    Aha, here comes the deranged conspiracy buff – Yoza…

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  25. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I think it’s more likely to be fringe loonies. But they will be encouraged by the attention, so expect more, which will probably be to the benefit of National.

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  26. ShawnLH (5,124 comments) says:

    “We are Socialists, we are enemies of the capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.”

    Now doesn’t that quote sound like the kind of crap Yowza, Minto and Sykes say? The kind of crap being promoted by Mana, the IP and the Greens?

    Take a guess who said that. His first name was Adolf.

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  27. thor42 (971 comments) says:

    @Yoza – “…blame the left when this kind of vandalism obviously benefits the target. I would not be surprised if this was the work of National party activists or Friends of Israel attempting to drum up sympathy for their cause.”

    You really believe that. You are a DESPICABLE piece of work.
    I don’t care if I get demerits for saying that, but YOU deserve about 1000.

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  28. thor42 (971 comments) says:

    @ShawnLH – “Take a guess who said that. His first name was Adolf.”

    One of Yoza’s best friends – ay, Yoza? Admit it, you CREEP.

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  29. Yoza (1,875 comments) says:

    Lance (2,482 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 12:21 pm

    @Yoza

    Do you actually believe the shit you are spewing forth… seriously?
    You actually think this is a vast National party conspiracy?

    Now, now. Try calming down a little Lance. I was merely helping Unity expand their chain of thought in an attempt to provide a potentially motivating factor that could identify the possible culprits. I did not say it was National party activists or Friends of Israel militants, I said I would not be surprised if it was either of those groups as they seem to be the ones with the most to gain from any publicity this kind of vandalism received.

    Shawn, you do know this whole, “YOUR A NAZI JEW HATER!” shtick is kinda boring, do try harder.

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  30. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Yoza, without any evidence you seem pretty sure that National are defacing their own billboards, but when presented with abundant evidence you still think Hamas are not killing civilians in Gaza.
    Methinks you’re just a Jew hater.

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  31. thor42 (971 comments) says:

    @Akaroa – “To ignore them is actually the best means of countering their vapidity.

    I disagree.

    To ignore them is to show them that these actions have no consequences.

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  32. Slipster (170 comments) says:

    @fernglas 11:48 — “… on the left as well”.

    Excuse me? While everything else in your post is fine, that bit seems quite odd. Nazi (“neo” or not) are on the left. In fact, along with communism, just about as far left as it’s possible to get. What with state+party supremacy, collectivism, “common good” trampling individual freedoms etc etc.

    So, unless it was just an unfortunate turn of phrase, it’s hard to see who you are contrasting them with/against there.

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  33. Yoza (1,875 comments) says:

    Crikey, me thinks you people doth protest too much. Have I accidentally exposed a National party tactic?

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  34. ShawnLH (5,124 comments) says:

    Yowza, one of our resident Nazi Jew haters, is really twisting himself into a pretzel in trying to claim it is National and/or Israel supporters.

    There is no “chain of thought” to his mental process, only the mindless racist vitriol of an individual consumed with hate and filled with lies.

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  35. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    yoza,milkey.

    This is bare ,naked racism,and criminal vandalism against private property.

    Put aside your ideology and condemn it for what it is.

    Simple. Go ahead. it won’t hurt.

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  36. ShawnLH (5,124 comments) says:

    “Crikey, me thinks you people doth protest too much. Have I accidentally exposed a National party tactic?”

    No. What you are seeing is decent people taking a stand against the racism you and your ilk promote.

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  37. stephieboy (3,091 comments) says:

    Ah I think Yoza seems to think that the Jews were behind it all.?

    Deep your conspiracy stuff Yoza.!

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  38. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    And the more you make of it, and the more you complain the more it will happen, giving this sort of stuff only makes more people think what a great way of pissing everyone off – providing of course it isn’t being done by sympathetic well wishers who want the opposition to be blamed for it and therefore gain sympathy for the ‘victim’ party.

    Which may of course be why it is being promoted and given attention by so many bloggers.

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  39. flipper (4,067 comments) says:

    mikenmild (10,979 comments) says:

    August 11th, 2014 at 11:45 am

    Probably copy-cat stuff. The more attention it’s given the more likely we will see more of it.
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    ****
    Yeah…milky…like all those German folks who tolerated Hitler’s circa 1930s thugs…. and tried to ignore them ….. took advantage of the theft of Jewish assets, and by then it was too late.

    Is that what you want milky?
    It would not surprise me because the left is so full of bile and raw hate, and you are so anxious to defend them that it is sickening.

    What a fuymbass car4dgan wearer.

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  40. Yoza (1,875 comments) says:

    kowtow (7,741 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 12:38 pm

    yoza,milkey.

    This is bare ,naked racism,and criminal vandalism against private property.

    Put aside your ideology and condemn it for what it is.

    Simple. Go ahead. it won’t hurt.

    Ok. Down with this sort of thing!

    Thanks, Kowtow, I feel heaps better.

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  41. ShawnLH (5,124 comments) says:

    Yowza is the kind of scum who would have stood by and done nothing in Germany during the Night of Broken Glass. In fact he would have been claiming it was all a Jewish plot to whip up sympathy.

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  42. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “I doubt John Key will suffer from the disgraceful tampering of his billboards and in fact he could well benefit from it”

    And that’s why they are doing it. John Key and his cohorts have come a gutser over the Lochinver Station thing and are shit scared about what will be revealed by Edward Snowden hence their attempt to divert attention elsewhere.

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  43. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    It would not surprise me because the left is so full of bile and raw hate,

    And that is exactly what the monkey grinder wants you to think. Whoever is doing this has something big to gain from it, and pointing out that JK is a Jew and putting swastikas on billboards is nothing new. The person behind this wants sympathy for National, and the opposition to be blamed.

    That is why they are going over the top with it – that is why there is so much attention being given to it.
    This stuff isn’t being done by normal vandals – it is an organised effort and the ‘monkeys are promoting it’.

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  44. Peter (1,712 comments) says:

    The attack on Jewish people is sickening enough.

    What I will never forgive is the tacit approval given by those political parties not formally denouncing this behaviour. NZ is now a colder place.

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  45. ShawnLH (5,124 comments) says:

    “The person behind this wants sympathy for National, and the opposition to be blamed.”

    Do you have a shred of evidence for that claim Judith?

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  46. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    Vote this comment UP if you believe serious, dangerous anti-semites did the vandalism.

    Vote this comment DOWN if you believe random stupid fuckwits (Internet party aligned or otherwise) did the vandalism.

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  47. questions (207 comments) says:

    This is all getting a bit too suspect, I think John Key needs to publicly deny that any one from his party or the young nats are behind this.

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  48. thor42 (971 comments) says:

    @RRM – “Vote this comment UP if you believe serious, dangerous anti-semites did the vandalism.

    Vote this comment DOWN if you believe random stupid fuckwits (Internet party aligned or otherwise) did the vandalism.

    RRM, the random stupid fuckwits who I believe did this ARE also dangerous anti-semites.

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  49. Southern Raider (1,830 comments) says:

    Surely due to the number of defaced billboards and similarity in messages the police should be investigating this as a hate crime?

    Do we really condone children seeing these billboards and society accepting these messages?

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  50. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    I’m really not that surprised this is happening – just look at what the NZ media fails to say to the public:

    “…….What the [NZ]MSM refuses to tell us are various inconvenient truths, such as:

    -the fact that a number of times now Israel has traded land for peace.
    -the fact that a nation of 6 million people is surrounded by over 300 million hostile people.
    -the fact that the majority of its neighbours have vowed to drive it into the ocean.
    -the fact that Israel is the only free, democratic nation in the entire region.
    -the fact that Israel is the last bulwark against Islamist imperialism in the region.
    -the so-called “Palestinian nation” is no such thing, and the vast majority of the so-called Palestinian people are pawns created by the refusal of hostile Arabic nations to take their “brothers” in after the 6-Day War in 1967.

    Israel has every right to defend itself, and if it does, all we will hear again and again and again from the [NZ]MSM is baloney about “Israeli aggression”.

    There are plenty more such facts which you will seldom hear from the MSM. In their eyes everything is Israel’s fault, and many of them would be quite happy to see Israel obliterated from the face of the earth….”

    http://billmuehlenberg.com/2012/11/18/on-israel-again/

    Continuously feeding Hamas propaganda into NZ homes and into the minds of NZ children and adults is fucken dispicable —- Hitler would’ve loved TVNZ.

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  51. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Facebook National Party Billboard Makeovers.

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  52. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    southern raider

    I deplore the message,the hatred ,the offensiveness, etc

    But we can’t go down the “hate crime” road.

    It’s either a crime or it’s not.

    In this case it is a crime, criminal damage.

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  53. edhunter (547 comments) says:

    Is Tim Groser still a Muslim? Seeing as he’s the National candidate for New Lynn wouldn’t stickers saying working for New Zealanistan be more appropriate or would that just be silly & xenophobic?

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  54. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    That would just be silly and xenophobic

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  55. Yoza (1,875 comments) says:

    ShawnLH (4,033 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 12:51 pm

    Yowza is the kind of scum who would have stood by and done nothing in Germany during the Night of Broken Glass. In fact he would have been claiming it was all a Jewish plot to whip up sympathy.

    No evidence what so ever to back up this nonsense, then, the same idiot:

    ShawnLH (4,039 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    “The person behind this wants sympathy for National, and the opposition to be blamed.”

    Do you have a shred of evidence for that claim Judith?

    Looks like there is one standard for Shawn and another standard for everyone else.

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  56. muggins (3,787 comments) says:

    If no-one put their face on a party advertising billboard then those billboards might not be defaced. So the solution might be to not have faces on those billboards. or ,better still, ban though billboards altogether. In my opinion they are nothing but a blot on the landscape.

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  57. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Yowza is the kind of scum who would have stood by and done nothing in Germany during the Night of Broken Glass.

    Like the Zionists did nothing when the Germany tried to expel to the Jews to destinations that excluded Palestine?

    http://www.truetorahjews.org/lieberman

    It is an historical fact that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that: a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.

    The Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.

    The answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments: a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees. b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a “Jewish State” at the end of the war. c) No ransom will be paid This response to the Gestapo’s offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.

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  58. Jinky (185 comments) says:

    I’ve yet to see an election anywhere ( I’m nearly 60) where billboards weren’t vandalised. It had no effect whatsoever on the outcome of any election. For the most part it’s done by the same numpties who tag walls, fences and anything else they can reach. Election Billboards are just easier and more convenient. Laugh at the funny ones and ignore the rest.

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  59. jonnobanks (148 comments) says:

    Fucked up thinking (if you can call it thinking). John Key is both a NAZI and part of the Jewish conspiracy. The irony of it all.

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  60. ben (2,380 comments) says:

    I don’t get it. Do National’s opponents actually think this nonsense helps their cause?

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  61. freedom101 (504 comments) says:

    I would like to see David Cunliffe, Winston Peters, Russel Norman and Hone Harawira each be allocated a ‘jew’ defaced billboard to clean up, and to invite the media to be present when it happens. We all need to stand up against this and the best way to do it would be for our leaders from all persuasions to stand shoulder to shoulder against it. Cleaning up the PM’s defacement would send a very strong message that this is not acceptable at any level in our society.

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  62. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    You don’t think that would just send the message that they were responsible for the graffiti?

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  63. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Fucked up thinking (if you can call it thinking). John Key is both a NAZI and part of the Jewish conspiracy. The irony of it all.

    Not really.

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  64. ShawnLH (5,124 comments) says:

    “Like the Zionists did nothing when the Germany tried to expel to the Jews to destinations that excluded Palestine?”

    You don’t have a credible or valid source for that claim.

    Actually, you don’t have a credible or valid source for any of your claims UglyNazi.

    Anyone who would use “beforeitsnews” as a source has lost the right to be taken seriously on any subject.

    Just more shite to justify your Nazi Jew hatred.

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  65. ShawnLH (5,124 comments) says:

    “No evidence what so ever to back up this nonsense”

    The evidence Yowza is your own words on KB. Your rabid anti-Jewish attacks on Israel and your dismissal and downplaying of anti-Semitic attacks and hate speech in Europe and here in NZ.

    The evidence of your own words is clear.

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  66. ShawnLH (5,124 comments) says:

    Neo Nazis Palestine.

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  67. Southern Raider (1,830 comments) says:

    Phil Goff is now on Facebook praising the defacing of one of the JK signs

    vote positive

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  68. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    You don’t have a credible or valid source for that claim.

    Yeah, you said that about the Ukrainian eyewitnesses on the BBC video as well.

    Just more shite to justify your Nazi Jew hatred.

    You’re a seriously slanderous little apologist for hypocrisy, aren’t you Shawn?

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  69. sassycassy (45 comments) says:

    Not a peep from Dame Susan?

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  70. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Dame Devoy deliberately, defiantly devoid of comment on these smears?

    A month before she was appointed Race Relations Commissioner she suggested dumping Waitangi Day. Then the storm began, and sadly she seems to have buckled under to the politically correct.

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  71. Lucia Maria (2,428 comments) says:

    LOL, Ugly! Quoting yourself as proof! That almost beats some of the other websites you reference.

    I had a little hunt around the web for references for the information you’ve posted, and cannot find any that are independent of the truetorahjews.

    I have however, found that excerpt plastered all over the web as evidence of the Jews assisting in their own Holocaust. Interesting that the Polish Jews weren’t given the option you allege the Jews of other European nations were given. Could it be, that because there is just so much information written about the Holocaust that is centered on Poland, that it would be just too difficult to fake, therefore Poland was left out?

    Shawn is onto you Ugly, so no wonder the vitriol aimed in his direction.

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  72. Honeybadger (212 comments) says:

    Harriet, your post at 1.21pm, I agree with 100%……’Continuously feeding Hamas propaganda into NZ homes and into the minds of NZ children and adults is fucken dispicable —- Hitler would’ve loved TVNZ.’

    And Captain Pug, I also had relatives fighting in Italy, and some of the stories they told us in later years, when we could understand, were frightening, they said as some of the facts of the atrocities being done in the ‘death camps’ were being shared down the lines, made them all the more determined they had to prevail

    I dont understand racism, why does a person hate another because of their religion or colour?

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  73. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    LOL, Ugly! Quoting yourself as proof! That almost beats some of the other websites you reference.

    It was part of an ongoing argument.

    UT: you have previously been unable to post any of my words in support of your accusation.

    SH: Every post you make on “Zionists” and who is or is not a “real Jew” supports my accusation Ugly.

    UT How does this repost of my 3:25 support your accusation that I am a “Jew hater”?

    No reponse from Shawn on that thread, after some prompting on my part he had another go:

    UT: But it wasn’t the truth, was it?

    SH: Yes, it was UglyNazi.

    UT :You couldn’t say how my 3:25 post from that thread (which was about Zionists) was evidence of the “Jew hatred””

    SH: Anti-Semitism & Anti-Zionism:

    “There is a dangerous confluence between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism, though the two concepts are not always identical. Anti-Zionism is often used to conceal hatred of Jews. Anti-Semitic views can be easily distinguished from legitimate criticism of Israel.

    UT: So is reporting the collaboration between Zionists and Nazis anti-semitism or is it legitimate criticism?

    Here’s the content again:

    Attacking Key on these issues achieves nothing other than to draw attention away from the real problem. The problem is bigger than Key or the National party, and relates to the collaboration between the Zionists and the Nazis in the establishment of the Zionist state in Palestine.

    http://www.truetorahjews.org/lieberman

    It would be wishful thinking if it could be stated that the leaders of the Zionist movement sat back and ignored the plight of their dying brothers and sisters. Not only did they publicly refuse to assist in their rescue, but they actively participated with Hitler and the Nazi regime. Early in 1935, a passenger ship bound for Haifa in Palestine left the German port of Bremerhaven. Its stern bore the Hebrew letter for its name, “Tel Aviv”, while a swastika banner fluttered from the mast. And although the ship was Zionist owned, its captain was a National Socialist Party (Nazi) member. Many years later a traveler aboard the ship recalled this symbolic combination as a “metaphysical absurdity”. Absurd or not, this is but one vignette from a little-known chapter of history: The wide ranging collaboration between Zionism and Hitler’s Third Reich. In early January 1941 a small but important Zionist organization submitted a formal proposal to German diplomats in Beirut for a military-political alliance with wartime Germany. The offer was made by the radical underground “Fighters for the Freedom of Israel”, better known as the Lehi or Stern Gang…

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  74. OneTrack (3,107 comments) says:

    “I don’t get it. Do National’s opponents actually think this nonsense helps their cause?”

    I don’t know but it is still a chilling look into the lefty mindset.

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  75. Lucia Maria (2,428 comments) says:

    Ugly,

    Thanks for the summary, however, I have been keeping track.

    You ask

    UT: So is reporting the collaboration between Zionists and Nazis anti-semitism or is it legitimate criticism?

    Then post an excerpt from a website that has no source except one book, a book that is only available from that website. Maybe they wrote it themselves? Who knows. Do you?

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  76. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    How is your question relevant to the point that Shawn has no actual argument to support his false accusation against me?

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  77. Lucia Maria (2,428 comments) says:

    Ugly, is the truth of what you post not important to you? How can it not be relevant?

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  78. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ugly, is the truth of what you post not important to you?

    Of course it is. The fact that Shawn goes to such lengths in an attempt to debunk it says that it is important in a more general sense, not just important to me alone. What I’m talking about there are the connections between Zionism and the false doctrines of Christianity, and the connection between Zionism and Satanism.

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