An ugly campaign

August 12th, 2014 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

You know we may be in for the ugliest election campaign ever when it starts with an effigy of the prime minister being burnt, claims of racism and nasty name-Mr Gibson says calling.

We had all three in less than 24 hours after the first big campaign launches at the weekend.

Winston Peters’ “two wongs don’t make a white” statement takes him back to familiar territory – he has banged the anti-Asian drum at more than one election.

But this had a nastier edge.

Recent displays of crowds chanting “f… ” and his effigy being burnt could either be put down to youthful hijinks or something more sinister. The prime minister is in no doubt which interpretation he puts on it.

But the ugly rant by Labour candidate was the worst possible side of politics and took the debate to a fresh low.

Among other things he called Key a “shonky jonkey Shylock”, an anti-semitic term.

Gibson apologised yesterday but the damage had been done.

I can’t recall another election which has been so nasty and personal.

Mr Gibson says he was unaware of the racial overtones of the term “Shylock”.  I find that very very difficult to believe.

The Herald reports:

Mr Gibson’s move comes as some of National’s campaign billboards have been defaced with anti-Semitic graffiti.

Mr Key said he was open about his Jewish heritage but his bigger concern was for the Jewish community.

“They’re a good hard-working group of New Zealanders and I don’t think people should be attacked on religious belief, whether they’re Islamic, Christian or Jewish.”

As for Mr Gibson’s comments, “it’s hardly ‘Vote Positive’, but again, we’ll be letting that go through to the keeper as well”.

Vote Positive – Yeah Right.

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90 Responses to “An ugly campaign”

  1. mjw (401 comments) says:

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  2. iMP (2,456 comments) says:

    Oh and Laila Harre’s faux outrage and denials…gimme a break!

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  3. kaykaybee (120 comments) says:

    Mr Gibson is more than completely aware of his odious reference and it’s implications. He has form.

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  4. Pete George (23,798 comments) says:

    And it will probably get uglier.

    Laila Harre and Martyn Bradbury are going hard out claiming John Key lied when he made an understandable but incorrect link between one abusive chanting video and another. Key has acknowledged the Inter Party may not have been involved in the effigy video.

    But this hasn’t stopped Harre.

    And on the Daily Blog Bradbury promotes the same ‘outrage’ at Key ‘lying’ – while the next featured post is from Mana candidate Joe Trinder making an unsubstantiated accusation that National are “destroying billboards’ (another irony).

    Internet and Mana are dishing it out but taking offence when it’s thrown back at them. They’re reaping what they are sowing, and crying foul when they are the substantialy behind the fould wind to blow over this election campaign.

    Key ‘lying’ versus Mana accusations

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  5. Redbaiter (10,412 comments) says:

    You can’t expect much more from a collection of largely Progressive politicians.

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  6. EAD (1,450 comments) says:

    If my only news source was kiwiblog, I would think that the only people who oppose the national party are kids who shout out “duck john key” or 1/2 or 3 (quite possibly Greens) anti-Semites or nasty pranksters.

    This is hardly representative of the anti national party vote at all. Most of us are decent citizen’s who are at best unhappy, at worst disgusted in the direction this country is travelling in.

    Many in fact are from what should be the national party’s natural base . Can we have some coverage of our views please? It might be hard to believe, but just because we oppose John Key’s politics doesn’t make us Nazis.

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  7. ben (2,279 comments) says:

    Please please please Tui run that billboard.

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  8. tom hunter (5,134 comments) says:

    An ugly, nasty campaign? You’ve never seen pigs fighting over a trough before?

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  9. Ryan Sproull (7,360 comments) says:

    Apparently Mr Gibson said he picked the term up from his children and had no intention of seeming anti-Semitic.

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  10. BeaB (2,164 comments) says:

    Of course Gibson knew exactly what he was saying when he used the term “Shylock”. How dumb is he?
    Then he went on to say Key was a “nasty little creep with a nasty, evil and vindictive sneer”. Did he understand these words?
    What a plonker saying he was just repeating what a Labour constituent had said to him.
    Is this the kind of ignoramus we need in Parliament?
    Is the Labour head office covertly supporting this anti-Semitic campaigning? It seems organised to me.
    Cunliffe’s response has been feeble.

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  11. Pete George (23,798 comments) says:

    I think Cunliffe’s response has been reasonably strong.

    This is a candidate who has very little chance of making it into Parliament. His continued candidacy is more likely to be detrimental to Labour’s chances in Rangitata and overall so perhaps Cunliffe could have booted him the Labour’s own good.

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  12. dime (10,213 comments) says:

    the guy is full of shit. lefties know all the anti-Semitic slurs. they love that shit.

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  14. tom hunter (5,134 comments) says:

    Another reason why this is such a “nasty” and “ugly” campaign is that there are no ideas actually being debated – unless you think that a gigantic scream-fest over a 39% vs. 36% income tax rate, or extending free dental care to new mothers vs all adults actually counts as such.

    It’s when there’s nothing really left to debate but power is still at stake that things degenerate into what we’re seeing here.

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  15. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    dime says at 9:30 am

    “the guy is full of shit. lefties know all the anti-Semitic slurs. they love that shit.”

    That might be the case.
    However, most of them are also as thick as a brick.

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  16. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ dime (9,533 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 9:30 am

    Where as you are a man that prefers to limit yourself to racist and sexist shit instead. You’re a hypocrite dime. You either embrace nastiness of all sorts or you reject it – you can’t pick and chose which sort you want to support just because it suits your biases.

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  17. Kiwi Dave (97 comments) says:

    Agree with BeaB @ 9.23. Gibson is either anti-Semitic or anti-semantic.

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  18. budgieboy (110 comments) says:

    “Mr Gibson says he was unaware of the racial overtones of the term “Shylock”. I find that very very difficult to believe” … you are a way more generous man than I DPF. The balance of Gibsons comments make it perfectly clear he was well aware of the character of who Shylock was and given the context of his attack there is no doubt he knew.

    Can you imagine the exploding heads on the left if a center right politician made such a comment? Funny how they have a pathological desire to see anyone who upsets them lose their job/get fired/resign or whatever, but when it’s one of theirs it’s “nothing to see here move along”.

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  19. IGM (617 comments) says:

    This disgusting performance is being initiated by thief McCarten and his lieutenant Manning . . . this is par for the course for left-wing scum who are losers with nothing, through their own senses of entitlement and laziness.

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  20. jcuk (756 comments) says:

    It is good to know that somebody who didn’t know who Shylock was/is is unlikely to go to the Beehive.

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  21. dime (10,213 comments) says:

    “racist and sexist shit instead”

    racist? i hate muslims but that’s bigotry.

    ive always said – my hypocrisy knows no bounds :D

    “gigantic scream-fest over a 39% vs. 36% income tax rate” – well a jump to 39% is a 6% increase! thats worth a “scream-fest”

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  22. Ryan Sproull (7,360 comments) says:

    It is good to know that somebody who didn’t know who Shylock was/is is unlikely to go to the Beehive.

    Yeah. “I’m completely ignorant of commonly understood racial slurs” isn’t a ringing defence.

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  23. Fisiani (1,052 comments) says:

    The extreme Left will stop at nothing to try to win this election. The next 38 days will see them destroy and deface hundreds of National hoardings and never be prosecuted for this criminal damage. They will jostle , shout, lie and use every dirty trick for they believe they are the side of good and thus the end justifies the means.
    I expect far worse to happen as they struggle to gain traction using fair democratic means.

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  24. jcuk (756 comments) says:

    (I guess that is what you do when you have no good policies to promote]
    Nationals problem is that it is doing it right already and doesn’t need to offer more … Though I can think of a couple of things they could do but neither did Labour do them last time so I have no hope they would either in the future.

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  25. Rick Rowling (816 comments) says:

    If John Key doesn’t want slurs, he shouldn’t have eaten those puppies or planted plague infested rats or danced on Little Timmy’s grave.

    I know the above is true, because I read The Standard.

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  26. Rich Prick (1,750 comments) says:

    Labour’s “vote positive” is turning into a “crisis”.

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  27. Redbaiter (10,412 comments) says:

    How about this little Holly nitwit who threatens to eject the PM from the meeting but doesn’t even know how to spell “independent”.

    Are you beginning to realise what we have done by allowing Progressives to control our society?

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  28. jcuk (756 comments) says:

    I wonder if inherantly racist people are those who understand racist comments while the rest of us ignore them and get on living with all irrespective of ‘skin colour’ and ‘religion’. I guess it may come from being a secure CoE caucasian?

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  29. s.russell (1,649 comments) says:

    Labour is running a positive campaign based on the positive values of hate, fear, envy and greed.

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  30. Crusader (327 comments) says:

    Mr Gibson says he was unaware of the racial overtones of the term “Shylock”. I find that very very difficult to believe.

    When a Labour candidate pleads ignorance we should believe him. They all are.

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  31. Jack5 (5,278 comments) says:

    The syndicate of Bainiacs who post under the name Judith in Kiwiblog yesterday were defending the anti-Jewish smears against John Key and today cite the historcial anti-Clark innuendos.

    Why would the Bain camp be anti-Jewish? Anything to do with the trial – I think not. So what is riling the Baniacs? The compensation question? Or does some not unimportant Bainiac have a chip on his or her shoulder about the Jewish people, or Israel or some such?
    Also pro-Winston Peters, I suspect.

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  32. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “Mr Gibson says he was unaware of the racial overtones of the term “Shylock”. I find that very very difficult to believe.”

    About as believable as John Key being unable to remember what side he was on during the 1981 Springbok tour.

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  33. wreck1080 (3,999 comments) says:

    Personally, I wasn’t aware of what shylock meant.

    It is obviously a term of disrespect but I knew no more than that.

    Regarding anti-semitism in this country — I never knew any jews while growing up and there was very little understanding of the race. Kids knew more about eskimos than jews (eskimos live in igloos of course).

    So, it is quite possible many kiwis do not have common knowledge of anti-Semitic slurs.

    It was common to call kids who do not share a ‘jew’ but we never really knew what it meant.

    It is surprising to see such a surge in anti-semitism in NZ . But, i guess that maybe goes hand in hand with a hate of america.

    Sure, these people are entitled to an opinion but they should put their faces out there instead of sneaking around in the middle of the night like rat cowards.

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  34. Ryan Sproull (7,360 comments) says:

    About as believable as John Key being unable to remember what side he was on during the 1981 Springbok tour.

    Or using “gay” to mean “weird” because he “picked it up from his kids”, but that’s besides the point. I heard recently something like a good lesson – two wrongs don’t make a right.

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  35. BlairM (2,340 comments) says:

    I can scarcely believe how nasty this campaign has gotten. Never seen anything like it. It’s beyond anything that was thrown at Brash in 2005, and he was actually “dangerous”.

    The true nastiness of the NZ Left has finally revealed itself. I hope Labour get buried into third party status for this.

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  36. Nigel Kearney (1,096 comments) says:

    Selective memory is a wonderful thing – the only difference with this campaign …

    The personal attacks on Clark and Davis were disgusting. There are differences this time though:

    – The shylock slur is an attack on all jews, because it implies Key is dishonest because he is jewish. The Clark/Davis attacks were on them only.
    – This time it is candidates and senior party people doing it, not just some idiots on blogs.
    – There is an element of incitement of mob violence now that was never the case with people who didn’t like Clark.
    – The leader of the other party is aware of the attacks and has been invited to condemn them, but refuses to do so.
    – Clark actually admitted that she married Davis in order to make herself more electable.

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  37. Viking2 (11,672 comments) says:

    Oh dear, now its the worst we have ever had.
    Well news for you. Go back and read up our past history. Indeed a great doco last Sunday night about depression times and some of the stuff that happened.
    All that’s changed is the the MSM fire straight at your face whereas before it barely rated a mention.

    Pull on your big boy pants and control the conversations by fronting with some good new exciting forward looking control removal policy and get that talked about.

    Its what you get for importing scum and religious fanatics.

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  38. tom hunter (5,134 comments) says:

    Here’s something beautiful instead: The Iris Nebula

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  39. Colville (2,318 comments) says:

    I googled it. I wasnt sure if it was biblical or shakespear or both.
    But yeah even a dumbarse like me knew its not a polite term !

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  40. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Jack5 (4,673 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 10:03 am

    You are joking of course? You seriously think I am a ‘syndicate’ of people who believe David Bain is innocent, so therefore post on here, expressing our belief that the comments yesterday were not an indication of anti-semitic attitudes, but rather just a nasty insult?

    Can you please explain firstly, how the two (Bain and Gibson) are even related?

    Secondly, why you are so obsessed with matters ‘Bain’ that you feel the need to apply it to every single situation – even I’m not that obsessed with it.

    Thirdly – I’d like to point out that I am only one person – a person who is quite capable of posting for herself, who doesn’t expect others to ‘support me’ or join with me, or post on my behalf. I do not need validation, either emotionally or physically to feel confident in my beliefs. Unlike some, I don’t care whether I am part of a majority, minority or stand as a single voice. I don’t mind that people disagree with me, I am not a person that needs approval to feel complete. I am perfectly confident in posting on a right wing blog, knowing full well that my dislike of the current PM will be an issue. But I also don’t shy to mention when I think he has done something right, and on the issues that I do agree on.

    That you single me out, is your own problem, its not mine – it is always interesting how people seem to remember so much of what I write, and even months down the line mention it – such as your comment regarding Bain -and then there is Redbaiter, who remembered a comment I made quite some time ago, about something I did as a teenager. Its all very flattering!

    Perhaps you need to seek help for your Bain obsession dear.

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  41. Jack5 (5,278 comments) says:

    Ryan (10.06 post), before we get precious about the “Wongs”, I’ll repeat part of a post from yesterday about how Cantonese sort out the vast Wong-Wang clans of China (from Wikipedia. This extract relates to the fact that the written language of China is uniform, but the spoken languages vary, sometimes widely. This can cause confusion. This to three huge Chinese clans or name groups – Wong, Wang, and Huang:

    To differentiate the two in conversation, 黃 (Wong/Huang) is customarily referred to by native Cantonese speakers as “big belly Wong” (as the character resembles a person with a big belly) or by native Mandarin speakers as “grass-head Wong” (due to its first radical), whereas the 王 (Wong/Wang) is referred as the “three-stroke Wong” (due to its prominent 3 horizontal strokes).

    Now that we have a sizeable Chinese community we need to learn more about China and Chinese, rather than just become become grovelling multiculturalists interested only in niceties. The Cantonese popular culture and language in particular are rich, colourful, and very robust, as the names of Wong-Huanga folk above show.

    I find little to offend in a common Cantonese name for Europeans, one that you probably can still hear in the back streets of Hong Kong when you are the only European around – Gwai Lo, roughly foreign devil. Another common, more derogatory nickname for Europeans in China is “big nose”. It’s true so laugh it away.

    Similarly for the very old quip about Wongs and Whites (or Rights). Laugh this stuff off as trivial or at worst puerile.

    If you really want to take issue with an aspect of Chinese culture and insist Mainland Chinese in NZ change to our ways, focus on the custom, tradition, or tolerance of corruption, particularly of politicians and officials.

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  42. Jack5 (5,278 comments) says:

    To the Judith syndicate (10.26 post).

    That you fanatic Bainiacs would accuse anyone-else of being obsessed with Bain is laughable.

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  43. Chuck Bird (4,895 comments) says:

    I am pro Israel. Not that they are without fault. However, like wreak I did not make the connection with Shylock. I just took it to mean something like a loan shark.

    While I believe that Gibson may also have not made the connection but his other comments are inconsistent with Labour’s “clean” campaign. It appears the positive campaign mainly applies to Kelvin Davis.

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  44. emmess (1,398 comments) says:

    Apparently Mr Gibson said he picked the term up from his children and had no intention of seeming anti-Semitic.

    Named Mel per chance?

    And Cunliffe seemed only concerned that it was not in line with the ‘Vote Positive’ mantra, not any offence that it may have caused.

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  45. Razorlight (28 comments) says:

    Go and read some of the ugly comments on the standard. One little creep named “Enough is Enough” is off the chart inciting this hatred and racism.

    It is disgraceful.

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  46. Longknives (4,953 comments) says:

    Just drove past some more Billboards in West Auckland- National,Labour,Act etc have all been defaced…
    Strangely there is only one Party whose Billboards are clean and sparkly- Those of the ‘Fat German Sugar Daddy Party’……

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  47. radvad (736 comments) says:

    Who uses words they do not know the meaning of?

    If this turkey didn’t know the meaning of”Shylock” why did he use it? He is just a typical lefty coward who cannot man up to his actions.

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  48. Jack5 (5,278 comments) says:

    How come the billboard vandals haven’t been caught in the age of security cameras?

    Get the fuckers into court quick, because the judges will likely try to keep their identities secret until after the election.

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  49. Richard (103 comments) says:

    The nastiness of this election illustrates the depth of feeling against the government. It’s that simple. DPF’s suggestion that this is the ugliest he’s seen reflects the fact that this government is the ugliest an increasing number of people have seen also.

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  50. PaulL (5,449 comments) says:

    It isn’t only about Shylock. Sure, that’s an anti-semitic term. Maybe he didn’t know that. The rest of his tirade was also offensive, and all of a theme. Basically the theme was that he doesn’t like Key because of the way he looks, which is sort of bizzare. Nothing about policies or eating babies or anything, just “nasty evil and vindictive sneer”.

    It’s kind of crazy stuff when you read the full rant, and I find it quite amazing that some of these conspiracy theories that fester away at the Standard actually come out in public. And that people on the left are quite surprised when it’s pointed out that they’re blatantly wrong – living as they do in their echo chamber they didn’t realise that they’ve been making stories up to each other that have little basis in reality.

    It worries me that these people could end up running the country.

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  51. Scott Chris (6,178 comments) says:

    Think of it this way. Do you think that had Gibson known the blatantly anti-semitic connotation the epithet Shylock implies that he would have used it?

    I doubt it. (notwithstanding Gibson’s woeful ignorance of history)

    But having thought about it a bit I do believe his comment was anti-semitic, possibly to the same degree that Peters’ Wong joke was racist.

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  52. Colinxy (25 comments) says:

    “About as believable as John Key being unable to remember what side he was on during the 1981 Springbok tour.”

    Why is that so unbelievable? He was a kid at the time.

    I remember my (Maori) rugby fanatic teacher being on the side of the tour and had a negative and vocal opinion about the ‘peaceful’ protesters. As for my own opinion on the matter, I really don’t remember. At a guess it was probably pro-tour since my teacher was pro tour.

    At that age it tends to be loud mouthed authority figures that form ones opinions. Eventually as you get distant from such partisan people, you tend to form your own opinions on these matters, but what they were at that time when you’re under the thumb of them is another matter.

    The Green party wouldn’t exist without these highly partisan authority figures.

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  53. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Jack5 (4,676 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 10:34 am
    To the Judith syndicate (10.26 post).

    That you fanatic Bainiacs would accuse anyone-else of being obsessed with Bain is laughable.

    You are the person that raised Bain in a totally unrelated thread. You would have to go back absolute months to find a thread where I was the person that raised the issue of Bain in an unrelated thread. I think that speaks for itself Jack – you are being desperate in your attempts to discredit me – why bother when I manage to upset people all by myself. I don’t need your assistance, but thanks all the same. :-)

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  54. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Colinxy (12 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 11:09 am
    “About as believable as John Key being unable to remember what side he was on during the 1981 Springbok tour.”

    Why is that so unbelievable? He was a kid at the time.

    He was 20 years of age. I’m 56, and I can remember what I was doing back then, and when I was 20!

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  55. BeaB (2,164 comments) says:

    Judith
    You are so ponderous I am surprised you don’t bore yourself.

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  56. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ BeaB (2,064 comments) says:
    August 12th, 2014 at 11:17 am

    No, I leave you to do that with your mindless comments. :P

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  57. Evadne (88 comments) says:

    No, Richard, the ugliness of this election has nothing to do with “the depth of feeling against the ugliest government”.

    We’ve actually got a very good, very moderate, popular government which has created the environment for a growing economy & well-being that is the envy of many of the West (including Australia – read their press), led by the most popular leader of any western country.

    Those are undenial facts, regardless of anyone’s personal ideological views or policy preferences.

    THAT is the reason why this election is ugly. The left cannot find a point of difference that offers patently better outcomes, so they resort to the only thing left: personal attack.

    Perhaps they cynically believe that by inspiring envy & hate, energising the anarchical and contrary, and making everyone feel disaffected and grumpy, then they might gain traction. Or perhaps they’re merely lashing in the irrational and ineffectual desperation of those about to lose everything.

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  58. Colinxy (25 comments) says:

    “The nastiness of this election illustrates the depth of feeling against the government. It’s that simple. DPF’s suggestion that this is the ugliest he’s seen reflects the fact that this government is the ugliest an increasing number of people have seen also.”

    Usually people get ‘ugly’ when they get desperate. I believe what we’re seeing are acts of desperation.

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  59. Scott Chris (6,178 comments) says:

    But hey, politics (fucking childish game that it is) is all about deliberately misconstruing your opponents utterances to your best advantage.

    Take the Sugardaddy incident as an example.

    Key claims he used the term to imply that Dotcom was Harre’s rich benefactor.
    Harre claims Key used the term to imply that the relationship twixt her and Dotcom was one of hooker and pimp thus reinforcing a patriarchal and sexist stereotype.

    I suspect the truth may lie somewhere in between.

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  60. DJP6-25 (1,389 comments) says:

    Ugly campaign = the left behaving true to form.

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  61. big bruv (14,217 comments) says:

    I well remember my feelings re the 81 Bok tour. I was all for it, any chance that there was to bash the crap out of scum like Minto was always going to be something I supported.

    Having said that, and before the lefty wankers (and Bedwetter) scream about apartheid, it should always be remembered that Minto was not against apartheid because of a great love for the Black and Coloured people of South Africa. Minto was against apartheid because he was sure that once the Blacks and Coloureds rose up they would usher in a communist state.

    Minto is on record as saying that his support for the anti apartheid groups were based on their being a new communist South Africa once apartheid had been defeated.

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  62. Colinxy (25 comments) says:

    “He was 20 years of age. I’m 56, and I can remember what I was doing back then, and when I was 20!”

    Okay, he is older than I realised, but nonetheless I don’t remember every single detail when I was 20.

    I remember there was some major petition going around. I don’t even remember what. It did however influence me to vote in MMP in the first place, since I was tired of politicians ignoring people once they were elected to office. I naively thought MMP would bring them to heel.

    I use this petition thing as an analogy. It was a big thing at the time (when I was twenty), but buggered if I can actually remember what the hoohah was about. It was influenced by my then ‘authority’ figures though (being a university student.)

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  63. OTGO (579 comments) says:

    How can you vote positive? Surely you vote positively. But that doesn’t have the same ring to it does it?

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  64. Nigel Kearney (1,096 comments) says:

    Why should you vote positively? Avoiding a bad government that will fuck up our country is very important. That is the main reason National are leading in the polls, not because people think National’s ideas are particularly good ones.

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  65. Richard (103 comments) says:

    It is desperation. The country is being split and there is significant desperation out there. Hence the ugliness.

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  66. tom hunter (5,134 comments) says:

    The nastiness of this election illustrates the depth of feeling against the government. It’s that simple. DPF’s suggestion that this is the ugliest he’s seen reflects the fact that this government is the ugliest an increasing number of people have seen also.

    Pffft.

    The line being peddled here is that even when the Left are being total pieces of shit (abusive or crazy or violent) it’s not their fault – it’s just that their opposition is so totally evil it’s driven them to these lengths. It’s your fault for being against them.

    Another in a long line of standard Leftist tactics to always try and hold the moral high ground, irrespective of how low they sink.

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  67. wf (482 comments) says:

    If I were JK I wouldn’t remember either. He’d be on a hiding to nothing whichever side he supported. Increasingly, I need to remind myself that at 60 we are not the same as the brave, all-knowing 20’s of today.

    A young man found himself in constant disagreement with his father as young men often are. He set off to see the world and on his return 20 years later, was surprised to see how much his father had learnt while he was away.

    (ed: grammar)

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  68. ShawnLH (6,627 comments) says:

    “Minto is on record as saying that his support for the anti apartheid groups were based on their being a new communist South Africa once apartheid had been defeated.”

    Correct BB, and he is on record bashing Mandela’s government when they, in his opinion, did not implement communism. When the South African government offered him an award (can’t remember what it was) for his stand on apartheid he turned it down because he claimed the government had failed to impose communism.

    Minto cynically uses race issues for his real agenda, otherwise he could not care less, and in recent years has exposed himself as virulently anti-Semitic.

    He is a stain on NZ.

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  69. jcuk (756 comments) says:

    Paul 11.20
    Since I visit both KB and The Standard it worries me that not only National are running the country but probably will after September …. that is until I remember that blogs bring out the purile and childish namecalling and fortunately have little to do with Government.

    I have fluctuated between frequenting both sites over the years in my disgust at the comments …. as the election approaches both seem to be equally bad … hopefully just a three year madness.

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  70. ShawnLH (6,627 comments) says:

    “reflects the fact that this government is the ugliest an increasing number of people have seen also.”

    Not according to the polls.

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  71. adze (2,130 comments) says:

    Jackinabox
    I actually agree with you in this instance. But supporting the tour back then doesn’t make you a racist in 2014.

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  72. jcuk (756 comments) says:

    He was 20 years of age. I’m 56, and I can remember what I was doing back then, and when I was 20!

    So can I … some things …. and I’m 82yo ….human memory is a funny thing as an educated varsity type should know :)

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  73. Honeybadger (262 comments) says:

    I think Richard at 11. 44 has hit the nail on the head, the country IS being split. Personally, I think the quicker the leader of the latest ‘gang’ can be deported, the better off we will all be….

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  74. ShawnLH (6,627 comments) says:

    “If I were JK I wouldn’t remember either.”

    Some people find it hard to accept the fact that a good number of Kiwi’s did not see the issue of the tour as some kind of defining moment in NZ.

    I was around the same age as JK and when I bothered to think about it at all I went back and forth between both sides. Mostly, as most males did at that age, I was just concerned about getting drunk and having a good time.

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  75. wreck1080 (3,999 comments) says:

    “Who uses words they do not know the meaning of?”

    Generally children.

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  76. Pete George (23,798 comments) says:

    jcuk – elections just magnify the madness. It’s a worry that people endowed with intolerance and lunacy seem to be attracted to politics and political blogs.

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  77. Longknives (4,953 comments) says:

    My dearest wish is to see the Obese German in handcuffs and an XXXXXL jumpsuit being loaded on a flight to the States..
    I intend to be at the Airport playing annoying house music and yelling “This is so Dope, This is so Dope!” as he jets off to a life behind bars…

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  78. jonar (23 comments) says:

    “Who uses words they do not know the meaning of?”

    Maybe he only knew this meaning from the Oxford dictionary.

    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/Shylock
    – (as noun a Shylock) A moneylender who charges extremely high rates of interest.

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  79. Richard (885 comments) says:

    Clink link to see Cunner’s having a beer with the anti-semitic nutcase.
    Timaru herald editor doesn’t think of the much the guy.

    Didn’t Cunner’s claim earlier in the year Labour was going to take this seat?? Fat chance.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/opinion/10372529/Editorial-Online-post-too-much

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  80. Richard (885 comments) says:

    Richard @ August 12th, 2014 at 11:54 am

    The only thing being spilt is the Left wing in NZ with the Greens stealing Labour voters and Mana/Dotcom stealing Green voters and Winston losing voters to the right leaning Conservatives most likely to support National- thus the Left are getting desperate- hence the ugliness.

    P.S Good name. How about you change yours to Dick.

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  81. labrator (1,851 comments) says:

    I look forward to further uses of the “Steve Gibson Defence” in the upcoming election. There are so many insults you could throw and then just utter “I didn’t understand the term”.

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  82. goldnkiwi (1,612 comments) says:

    I wonder whether other Germans have an opinion on .com and what those opinions are?

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  83. Pete George (23,798 comments) says:

    “I wonder whether other Germans have an opinion on .com and what those opinions are?”

    I know one ex-German (very well) who thinks he’s an embarrassing buffoon interfering in our democracy.

    And when they saw the “Fuck John Key” video the first thing they thought was Nazi cringe. That’s something they are often reminded of and weighs heavily on them, even though it had nothing to do with them.

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  84. Nukuleka (400 comments) says:

    I do get tired of these silly comments about John Key and whether or not he remembered whether he was pro or anti the Springbok Tour. Frankly this is 2014 and who gives one fig whether or not someone paraded up Queen Street 35 years ago carrying an anti tour placard. I didn’t and I am not ashamed to say so. I couldn’t tell you whether I was pro or anti because I have moved on in my life and don’t live in a time warp. I probably thought that the bulk of the protesters were a dirty, unkempt rabble and I wouldn’t have wanted to have been within cooeey of them.

    Sad folk like John Minto don’t seem to have moved on in their lives and appear to regard such protests as their raison d’etre. They have inflated views of themselves and their place in the universe and don’t seem to understand that the South African apartheid regime did NOT in fact come crashing down because they sat down in the middle of Queen Street and disrupted the traffic. Much greater international forces and personalities were at work.

    Bringing up the hoary chestnut of the Springbok Tour is a bore.

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  85. OneTrack (3,360 comments) says:

    tom – “gigantic scream-fest over a 39% vs. 36% income tax rate”

    But that’s before the Greens and InternetNoMana stick their oar in and “adjust” the policy.

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  86. OneTrack (3,360 comments) says:

    Richard – “The nastiness of this election illustrates the depth of feeling against the government.”

    Rubbish. It just indicates the lefties are the nasty parties.

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  87. OneTrack (3,360 comments) says:

    Scott Chris – “Think of it this way. Do you think that had Gibson known the blatantly anti-semitic connotation the epithet Shylock implies that he would have used it?”

    Yes, I do. The problem for him was he got exposed. He isn’t sorry about what he said. He is sorry he got caught.

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  88. Richard (103 comments) says:

    Not true OneTrack.

    Same lefties as every other campaign and they are desperate.

    The difference is that the John Key government’s arrogance has been cranked up several notches though through the selling of people’s assets against their will, and the lawless attitude of senior ministers. By the cherry picking of which industries to support and which to let die on the vine, and by the gutting of the public sector only to turn around and blame every mistake on middle management. For fostering rape culture and accusing political opponents of being whores.

    It’s all there, bro. #Teamkey

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  89. ShawnLH (6,627 comments) says:

    “For fostering rape culture”

    There is no rape culture to foster.

    The polls do not show any large scale opposition to National, so there is no factual evidence for your claims.

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  90. Richard (103 comments) says:

    I’m sorry but there is factual evidence and lots of it. #FJK #election hoardings #burning effigies

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