Another Internet-Mana meltdown!

August 30th, 2014 at 7:00 am by David Farrar

3 News reports:

The Internet Mana Party has had another media blowout, with stopping an interview and walking off after just one question.

Mr Harawira refused to talk about his party’s U-turn on and would only take questions on a Te Tai Tokerau candidates’ debate.

He was once one of Parliament’s toughest opponents to cannabis, but Mr Harawira has flip flopped. Mana now wants to see decriminalisation – fitting with the preferred position of Kim Dotcom’s Internet Party.

Looks like $4 million doesn’t just buy you some candidates, but also some policies!

To understand how massive Hone’s u-turn is, consider that in March Hone said he wants to execute legal high sellers.

Also in March, the Herald reports:

Mr Harawira said he did not agree with Mr Dotcom’s policy that marijuana should be decriminalised.

Yet now he does. We knows who calls the shots now.

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56 Responses to “Another Internet-Mana meltdown!”

  1. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    I think that our politicians should be able to change their opinions if they are provided with information and experience that allows them to be informed on the subject.

    Politicians with fixed opinions that are unable to be challenged and altered with increased knowledge and awareness is never an ideal situation.

    I was once strongly opposed to any alteration to our current marijuana laws, I now agree, having gained more knowledge, that decriminalisation (not legalisation) would be the best move for current society. Twenty years ago, it would not have been.

    An MP that is able to move with a changing society is more ideal that one that wants to drag us backwards, and force us to relive past experiences, which have resulted in the negative consequences we have today.

    (interesting that as I type this, there is an advertisement for the IP/Mana party on screen – I guess money supersedes all ‘values’? )

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  2. FeralScrote (256 comments) says:

    Hone must have forgotten the golden rule about the golden rule,he who has the gold makes the rules.
    The interesting thing about Dotcom is what does he have on all these politicians he has paid for ?
    We already know he has bought their support,but what guarantee does he have that once they are in a position to veto his deportation they will actually do so?
    I would suggest once that extradition order comes thru they (well, Hone ,at least)will take the opportunity to rid themselves of this meddlesome priest.

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  3. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    I also note that the suggested rules for decriminalising marijuana would only apply to personal users, and those with more than a small amount, that is, the dealers, would still be classified as illegal, and their actions punishable by law. Perhaps Hone has been exposed to alternative arguments that have enabled him to change his mind.

    Again I point to the IP/Mana party advert on a blog that is clearly very anti the party, and suggest that perhaps the ability of someone to adjust their values for money, may not be exclusive to Hone. :-)

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  4. Nukuleka (403 comments) says:

    Clearly Hone has not changed his opinion one jot, Judith, and so the point you are attempting to make is wholly invalid. He has been forced to say the opposite to what he really believes, and this situation is evidence of the abuse of power and money. Dotcom represents everything that is evil in the world. The very people who look back with anger at the dark days of Muldoonism now applaud the criminality of Hager, and are the same folk who are being bought and manipulated by a German crook.

    Like Minto and Sykes, Hone is now an immoral puppet jerking away in response to the manipulation of his vile puppetmaster. Dark days indeed in our beautiful country.

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  5. mjw (401 comments) says:

    Meanwhile, ACT leader Jamie Whyte says New Zealander’s are too lazy to get out of bed in the morning, so we have to import foreign workers. And this guy will be a minister in a National-led government!

    Time to get rid of the coat-tailing provision once and for all.

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  6. eszett (2,450 comments) says:

    So you are upset because Hone changed his mind and now supports a position you yourself also support?

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  7. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Nukuleka (265 comments) says:
    August 30th, 2014 at 7:32 am

    Can you please explain how you know exactly what Hone believes at this particular point in time?

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  8. eszett (2,450 comments) says:

    And this guy will be a minister in a National-led government!

    Not according the current polls for ACT.

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  9. IGM (621 comments) says:

    mjw: Jamie is so correct! We will not employ another young Kiwi male unless we know a hell of a lot about the applicant. They have proven to be unreliable, lazy, insubordinate, and downright disasters. Once they get a foot in they start taking sickies, threaten employment complaints . . . strange most of them are from families where there has been a strong background of benefit use. The overseas employees are grateful, and go out of their ways to succeed, for which they are well recompensed, both monetarily and conditionally. MJW is obviously another public servant or unionist, not from the productive real world.

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  10. eszett (2,450 comments) says:

    Dotcom represents everything that is evil in the world

    LOL

    I am no fan of KDC, but you do give the man a bit too much credit here.

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  11. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ IGM (88 comments) says:
    August 30th, 2014 at 7:46 am

    Can I suggest that if your experience is that every male Kiwi you have employed has been undermotivated, and not worked well, that the fault might actually be with your management, and not with Kiwi males (the majority of whom are good workers).

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  12. Nostalgia-NZ (5,322 comments) says:

    At least igm is consistent he even hates young kiwis.

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  13. polemic (460 comments) says:

    You state it like it is Nukuleka…..

    Clearly Hone has not changed his opinion one jot, Judith, and so the point you are attempting to make is wholly invalid. He has been forced to say the opposite to what he really believes, and this situation is evidence of the abuse of power and money. Dotcom represents everything that is evil in the world. The very people who look back with anger at the dark days of Muldoonism now applaud the criminality of Hager, and are the same folk who are being bought and manipulated by a German crook.

    It is now a very real threat to the long term stability of our Nation that such a bunch of crooks :evil: could get into power….

    This is the most degrading and denigrating move for Maoridom that I have witnessed.

    Hone has no mana left and Tame Iti shows clearly he loves the Maori People and is standing for its improvement and culture.

    Kia Kaha the Maori Party and Kia Kaha Kelvin Davis

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  14. Nostalgia-NZ (5,322 comments) says:

    I’m so frightened knowing that the most evil man on the planet is hiding around every corner, giving people enormous amounts of money and by so doing turning them into zombies. Apart from that my paranoia is doing just fine, thanks.

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  15. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    Cannabis and cannabis culture is what is holding back so many of our young,demotivating them from their studies and work if they can get it.

    I’d guess that’s why Hone oppossed it.till now.

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  16. radvad (736 comments) says:

    “Can I suggest……”

    You can suggest anything you like Judith, it does not mean you have a clue what you are talking about.

    Of course a politician can change their mind, I see it as a positive if they are prepared to do so. However they should explain their new position and answer questions on it. Furthermore, given the screeching from the left earlier this year about cash for policies, it is perfectly valid to question if this is what happened here.

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  17. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ radvad (697 comments) says:
    August 30th, 2014 at 7:57 am

    I agree, it is a perfectly valid question, that deserves an answer. Just like those questions recently asked of the PM, who chose to walk away from, and not answer. That move was deemed acceptable, so applying the same standards, we have to accept Hone’s move was just as acceptable as well, and that all political candidates can pick and chose which questions they answer or decide not to answer.

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  18. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ kowtow (7,922 comments) says:
    August 30th, 2014 at 7:56 am

    You are right, without guessing, it is hard to know what has changed Hone’s mind. It maybe he thinks that although marijuana is having a negative effect on our young people (and middle aged people) there are greater threats in some new and harder drugs, such as methamphetamines, and he has decided that the argument of decriminalising marijuana may prevent young people’s exposure to drug dealers who use it as a gateway drug, to introduce them to harsher, more harmful, but more profit driven substances?

    It’s really just fishing though isn’t it? Because until Hone tells us, we have no way of knowing for sure.

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  19. WineOh (636 comments) says:

    @ Judith

    The point that he walked off from an interview after only one question shows that there is clearly still a conflict with him on the issue. If he had genuinely changed his position on it he should have taken it as an opportunity to speak openly about it & reach out to like minded individuals. That he got into a huff & stormed off implies like others have said here, the party policy has been bought by Schmidt.

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  20. radvad (736 comments) says:

    And here was I believing Hone when he said he is campaigning for a smoke free NZ by 2025. Silly me.

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  21. peterwn (3,336 comments) says:

    I lump Kim Dotcom and Colin Craig together. They are two wealthy individuals who are using wealth to try and impose their personal views and wishes on NZ. Binding referenda is one aspect of this. A wealthy individual could buy a referendum – both by paying people to gather the signatures, then in the publicity to persuade people to support it. It would be interesting indeed to see two wealthy titans go head to head on a referendum.

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  22. hmmokrightitis (1,596 comments) says:

    “I think that our politicians should be able to change their opinions if they are provided with enough money that allows them to be informed on the subject” FTFY Judith

    And as for young NZ (male) workers, all I can do is pass on what a couple of mates of mine tell me. They are both builders. Damned good builders. Who offer really good rates to apprentices, because they know they are competing with Christchurch, Auckland etc etc. They struggle to get young guys to sometimes even turn up – and on a slightly rainy day, forget it. Some of them even get their mothers (!) to call in for them making excuses. No, its not all, but its also not one or two, Ive heard the same from other industry’s as well.

    Im lucky, we get to pick the cream, all proven performers, and we fact check their CV’s to the nth degree. We have started taking two grads a year, and we dont look for those at the top academically – we look for balance. Team sports, good academic record, volunteer. We havent hit a bad one yet. Its the happy to get off their arse and work hard attitude we like, which is why the grads we took on last year are both earning $70K right now.

    Oh, and judith, if you think that Hone’s changed from wanting to kill is a result of an overnight epiphany, then yours is a truly beautiful world. Dont change it :)

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  23. Keeping Stock (9,384 comments) says:

    Hone Harawira clearly lives by the doctrine of Groucho Marx:

    These are my principles, but if you don’t like them, I have others…

    Sue Bradford’s decision to leave the Mana Party looks more mana-enhancing by the day.

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  24. burt (7,429 comments) says:

    Well the issue I see here is not so much that he has been bought changed his mind it’s that his new position isn’t sitting comfortably with him. Had he gone along the lines of… Well I was staunchly against it and I had been for a long time but ….. Then he would have have flicked the issue off and ‘rolled with it’. But no, he’s Hone and he’s above being reasonable and considered – he can just be abusive and childish and walk out. What a tosser. I hope he looses his seat.

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  25. burt (7,429 comments) says:

    DPF

    This also brings up the issue of Key’s previous stance of ‘not on my watch’. IF Key is still PM after the election then in the current world climate where leaders have stopped pretending prohibition works and are taking a more pragmatic approach to the freedom of their citisens Key might be forced to reconsider his position before 2017.

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  26. polemic (460 comments) says:

    peterwn : And absolutely critical difference…

    Colin Craig is standing for something and doing it legally and within his right to do it.

    Not only that but Colin Craig said as to binding referenda…. “Our policy is simple,” says Mr Craig, “where a referendum achieves two thirds or better support of those voting, the government should not be able to ignore the people.”

    They are actually increasing the voters right to be heard- that helps you and me!!!

    Is KDC a law abiding citizen?? is he bringing in anarchy and laws the most want – ????

    Is Hone committed to improving the lot of the Maori People??

    Are the people Hone is associated with really wanting to bring in change for the good of the country???

    Kia Kaha Kelvin Davis and Kai Kaha the Maori People and stand for someone who clearly has your good at heart not his own selfish agenda

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  27. burt (7,429 comments) says:

    Hey Hone – you are beholden to the rich white mo-fo – Bwaaahaahaa

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  28. wiseowl (979 comments) says:

    peterwn
    It is an absolute insult to suggest that Colin Craig is anything like slob.com.

    He is a bloody kiwi who is pissed off with the disregard politicians have shown for the taxpayers since MMP and has had the nous to form a party and surround himself with kiwis who are of the same opinion.
    You often hear people get pillaried for criticising government and told ‘if you don’t like it form your own party’
    Craig has done that.
    Good on him.

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  29. burt (7,429 comments) says:

    wiseowl

    No that’s not true, he’s a rich white mo-fo and we don’t need his type in NZ politics…. Well not unless he’s bankrolling a bunch if failed ideology socialists who want to put NZ into recession and hurt low earners with high inflation and high interest rates so that they elect National again in 6-9 years time.

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  30. OneTrack (3,374 comments) says:

    Looks like just the modern day version of beads and blankets still does the trick.

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  31. rightoverlabour (137 comments) says:

    I am no huge supporter of Tama Iti, or Sue Bradford. However, The Fat guy, (lets not insult Germans here) has done New Zealand politics an immense favour. We now are certain of those who are whores, and those that have principals. The left by not condeming Hagar have implied that theft is Ok if it enhances your position. Both Tama Iti and Sue have risen in my estimation as people. Hone is the biggest disapointment as although I disagree with his sentiments, I beleived he spoke for his constituents. Now he just takes it like Laila Whore Harre….

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  32. burt (7,429 comments) says:

    mjw

    It is time to get rid of the coat tailing provision. But like MMP it works too well for the self serving politicians. I think the only way we will get rid of it is if we have a single party government that changes it for their own self serving benefit toward the end of their term.

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  33. wiseowl (979 comments) says:

    burt
    please explain ‘his type’?

    Using your terminology what is Key? A rich white mofo but acceptable to you?

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  34. OneTrack (3,374 comments) says:

    burt – “It is time to get rid of the coat tailing provision.”

    Time to get rid of MMP. It’s had its chance and it’s clearly a dog. It’s just a joke, designed by lefties to support their rorting.

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  35. burt (7,429 comments) says:

    wiseowl

    I’m taking the piss. I don’t have an issue with people having wealth. In my experience people who accumulate wealth have talent in something and work hard. IMHO that makes them people to listen to and learn from. Unlike socialists who denigrate them because their ideology wants everyone poor, I don’t have an issue with them.

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  36. ShawnLH (6,693 comments) says:

    Hone’s been bought and paid for. He is one of the fiercest anti-smoking MP’s, so it makes zero sense to be in favor of getting rid of all cigarette smoking while legalizing marijuana, given that marijuana is every bit if not more dangerous in terms of cancer giving properties.

    So no, Hone’s “change of mind” is a crock. He sold his soul and Maoridom for thirty pieces of Dotcom silver.

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  37. stephieboy (3,533 comments) says:

    Hone is now undergoing a debriefing and counseling with dear Pam.!

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  38. Southern Raider (1,777 comments) says:

    Has Hone fronted up to the rental car company yet or do KDC just buy them another one?

    Have the Police investigated as any accident with injuries (which Hone has) is supposed to be reported to Police. Has Hone broken the law?

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  39. burt (7,429 comments) says:

    Southern Raider

    Those rich white mo-fo’s laws are BS. :-)

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  40. Distilled essence of NZ (85 comments) says:

    Yes – Hone walked out on a reporter. Never mind that John Key has twice walked out on a press conference. Where were the Kiwiblog headlines “Key has another media meltdown” then?

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  41. Gravelroad (162 comments) says:

    What is it about the personnel and policies of the IMP that would appeal to Maoridom?
    Has Mr Dotcom made a real promise or commitment to fund hi-spec, affordable internet access for Maori communities (many of which are rural) if his party is successful?
    Seems to be more about his personal agendas of retribution and self preservation.

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  42. wiseowl (979 comments) says:

    Gees Burt you had me going.
    MMP is the enemy.What a bloody disaster for this country.

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  43. Unity (643 comments) says:

    Money talks with Hone as it does with the rest of grieving Maori who continually have their hands out – at our expense. He’s now totally lost any integrity he might have once had. Obviously he’s very uncomfortable with having to take this stance though and that’s why he walked out. He hasn’t been able to accept what has been ‘imposed’ upon him by the big crimdotcom. I would say he’s now become aware that he’s blown whatever he thought he might achieve by going in with him.

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  44. edward_l (21 comments) says:

    Sad days when Hone can’t say what he thinks.
    NZ has a really big drug problem, and it has a huge impact on our economic capacity, with the highest rates of hepatitis due to people injecting themselves (can’t work with food), high rates of depression exacerbated by marijuana (can’t hold down a job), something like 40,000 people in sickness benefits because of their addictions (too jacked up to even get a job). I worked with doctors and psychologists in a unit which dealt with all addictions. Every staff member (except me) had been a heavy duty addict. The line that stuck with me from a former LSD addict was ‘addicts are like pedophiles, you can’t trust them and they know all the excuses’.
    None of them recommended decriminalisation. It’s just something you have to keep in top of and definitely off the books.

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  45. waikatogirl (943 comments) says:

    Read couple days ago about 40 IPMU members working at a saw mill complaining about drug testing….

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  46. Honeybadger (264 comments) says:

    Sad days for Hone? he had the chance to say what he thinks, but no one had told him what he thinks that is why he walked off in a huff

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  47. waikatogirl (943 comments) says:

    IGM, we employ mature staff normally (yes even well over 50) cause they are usually motivated and don’t normally take mind-altering drugs.

    Recently we advertised on Seek for a sales consultant in Canterbury, no quals necessary really, just someone who is motivated and good at selling. Got 2 applicants (Well 3, 1 still living in Indonesia). Found a very nice 40ish. Still to prove himself but well motivated

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  48. nasska (12,107 comments) says:

    edward_l

    While you’re still mounted on your hobby horse it could be worth tilting a lance or two at the availability of alcohol in our society as well. Although this article is two years old it seems that drink is still more problematical than all the other different drugs combined.

    ….”Auckland has the highest number of beneficiaries, with 1603 people claiming a sickness benefit and 366 claiming an invalid’s benefit last year. Of those, 1014 were for alcohol abuse and 955 were for drugs.”….

    Ref: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10824671

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  49. Unity (643 comments) says:

    Yes, Nasska, binge drinking is a serious problem especially amongst the young. Their brains aren’t properly wired until they are in their mid 20’s and the heavy teenage drinkers do irreparable damage to their brains.

    However, it’s been proven that marijuana taken in teenage years also does damage to brains but more psychotic damage. This is a big cause of youth suicides and adverse behaviour in schools such as truancy and grades going down. Marijuana is far more harmful psychotically than alcohol but I definitely think the drinking age should never have been lowered and should be raised up to 20 again. It won’t stop those who are going to get alcohol anyway but they won’t be able to go into places that serve alcohol until they are 20 and would have hopefully gained a bit more common sense before they get a taste for that sort of scene.

    I also firmly believe that liquor outlets should be drastically reduced and should definitely not be allowed into the poorer areas because for some inexplicable reason they seem to manage to find the money for alcohol but can’t feed their kids.

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  50. burt (7,429 comments) says:

    nasska

    Stop using facts and figures immediately. Logic and reason has no part in a debate about something as emotive as a persons drug of choice being OK while other people’s choices are not. These strongly held convictions, strongly like with religious fervour, are not to be challenged.

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  51. burt (7,429 comments) says:

    Unity

    Although I have no argument that drugs are correlated with bad psychological outcomes ( particularly when consumed in excess during youth ) I can’t automatically accept a causal relationship rather than a correlation of some level. Untroubled children don’t spiral out of control with drugs. Both their own considerations and the guidance of those involved with bringing them up catch these things early and effectively deal with them.

    Anyone who hasn’t had their head up their ass while bringing up teenagers would have noticed how early a fascination with alcohol and drugs can develop. In early teen years it’s usually expressed with disgust against the parents or their friends who indulge in [ alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, cannabis, narcotics, gambling, reckless behaviours … ] but almost invariably they start experimenting themselves.

    Something being illegal, and preached about by adults, is delicious to rebellious teenagers.

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  52. Unity (643 comments) says:

    Burt, surely you are not suggesting that all parents would pick up the fact their teenagers were smoking pot? They can be very devious at hiding things and not all parents delve deeply if their kids suddenly stop performing at school. It is very possible they wouldn’t even know especially as many parents both work and lead very busy lives themselves. Of course, alcohol would be evident but not necessarily pot. However I don’t have much experience in these matters – just what I’ve read and of course having had teenagers myself. Two of my adult children have told me that they smoked pot on the odd occasion when they were at school. I had no idea and it never occurred to me they would even do such a thing. Naive?? It certainly sounds like it in hindsight. I often wish I could do it all again with what I know now!!?? One of them ended up a problem child and now a problem adult and I never knew why at the time as she came through the same system as the other three who are great adults.

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  53. burt (7,429 comments) says:

    Unity

    If you have an accepting attribute with teenagers you ‘normally’ manage to keep at least a fingertip on the tiller. My teenagers told me when pot was entering their social circles. When they had tried it themselves. A mix of how I brought them up and good luck I guess.

    But then I’m also a parent who would show them the refer madness movie at that time to point out how hysterical people get about pot. That demystifies it rather than make it a delicious rebellious escape.

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  54. nasska (12,107 comments) says:

    Burt

    This is part of a comment I made a couple of years back:

    ….”The current law, at least in the case of marijuana, owes its existence to a scare about the effects of hashish on a group of Egyptians back in the 1920′s. As is the wont of governmental control freaks everywhere, when laws regarding use of opiates were altered or introduced the opportunity was taken to slip marijuana use in under the radar. The legislation was the NZ Dangerous Drugs Bill of 1927 passed to ratify the 1925 Geneva Convention on Traffic in Opium and Other Drugs.

    Worth noting is that the Geneva initiative did not require individual nations to make possession or use an imprisonable offence….this came about because it was tacked on to a bill regulating sale & use of opiates.

    ….”For more than thirty years the cannabis prohibitions remained unchanged
    and apparently unenforced: throughout that period there seem to have been no
    reported cannabis offences2o and use of the drug was virtually unknown.”…..

    In the 60′s as a response to US Government hysteria, (anecdotally linked to a desire by the authorities for a club to bash the Bohemians, forerunners of the hippies) control was toughened to include the growing of Indian Hemp, an activity not previously banned.”……

    Ref:http://www.austlii.edu.au/nz/journals/OtaLawRw/2001/3.pdf

    Essentially what NZ did was to follow the bidding of the USA without doing any research for ourselves.

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  55. Distilled essence of NZ (85 comments) says:

    And now Judith Collins storms out on a press conference. Yet another National Party melt-down! Quick, write the headline!

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  56. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    Ironic how the maori seats that were created to enfranchise unpropertied maori males ,that those seats can enfranchise a filthy rich German!

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  57. Grant500 (24 comments) says:

    Maybe the Coatsville mansion is the worlds biggest tinnie house……

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