Bob Jones on the campaign

August 1st, 2014 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

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I never thought anything could top Laila Harre’s 2002 defeat explanation with her “Unfortunately the public voted with their heads”, but by God there’s been some serious challenges, notably from Laila herself. Even the most hardened hacks were dumbstruck by her protest at allowing her boss into the country. But she was immediately trumped by Dotcom himself, who agreed it was an outrage. If he feels that strongly then America, where he’s destined to end up anyway, will give him a big hello, plus free accommodation for a very long time, although decidedly smaller than his current abode.

Yes, the Internet Party is the only party I now that is outraged and demanding an inquiry into why their founder was allowed into New Zealand!

Colin Craig continues to delight. Explaining away his nutty image, he instead cemented it by saying, “It was logical to platform off the rhetoric already being discussed”. Psychiatrists are banned from entering, but there’s a trip to Upper Volta for anyone making sense of that. Having lost female voters after declaring New Zealand women promiscuous, Colin is now targeting homosexuals by an advertising campaign showing him lying in long grass with a come-hither look. Missing is a rose stem between his teeth.

Heh.

To add to the madness, Labour’s normally sane Andrew Little, jealous of Trevor Mallard’s moa headlines, declared men charged with sex crimes will be automatically guilty unless they can prove their innocence. Then to further alienate male voters, Labour’s serial apologiser leader, at least for the next two months, chimed in, unbelievably apologising for being a man. 

Labour’s war on men!

But the clear winner in the lunacy stakes is New Zealand First’s Asenati Lole-Taylor for her insistence that the Reserve Bank is owned by foreigners. 

I agree, it is hard to top that.

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32 Responses to “Bob Jones on the campaign”

  1. Ed Snack (1,872 comments) says:

    To be “fair” to Lole-Taylor, it was just a “speak-o”, she meant controlled by overseas interests not owned. After all, don’t the Illuminati (aka dem Jooooos) control the world of finance …?

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  2. Mark (1,488 comments) says:

    Jones as ever entertaining. One wonders if Colin Craig will sue Jones for the insinuation over the gay vote

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  3. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    Psychiatrists are banned from entering

    That’s a bit unfair. It’s not like they’ll have come across anything similar before. They’d need to write a whole new chapter for the DSM-V to describe their findings.

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  4. big bruv (13,895 comments) says:

    “One wonders if Colin Craig will sue Jones for the insinuation over the gay vote”

    We can only hope :)

    I for one would take annual leave just to go and watch Bob Jones crucify Colon Craig.

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  5. timmydevo (53 comments) says:

    Upper Volta. Sounds like Mr. Jones needs to upgrade his map. I guess that would mean he’d have to join the 21st century.

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  6. Tautaioleua (305 comments) says:

    Asenati is the only one among them that isn’t a native English speaker. I don’t think her comment was worse than the others. The US Federal Reserve Bank has elements of private ownership, as do a number of others around the world. An easy mistake.

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  7. Manolo (13,774 comments) says:

    “Lefty for hire” Harre’s comment deserves to be ridiculed.
    The former politician, nowadays Kim Dot Com’s property, spoke badly, very badly.

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  8. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    the 2014 election is shaping up to be about basic professional competence. :neutral:

    All team Key really needs to do at this stage is turn up wearing a suit that fits, and talk and act like grown-ups who can hold down a job, and they should have it in the bag.

    In the short term returning a Nat govt will be good for New Zealand.

    But it is worrying that MMP appears to be fostering an environment where utterly incompetent idiots can thrive…

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  9. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    Ed
    You are being too kind,Arse nasty lolly stealer has form for being a moron.

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  10. Yogibear (366 comments) says:

    Tautaioleua

    It may have been a genuine mistake first-up, but for a MP I would never consider it an “easy mistake” given part of the job of any MP is to oversee institutions of the Crown.

    Her true lunacy came when several journalists pointed the mistake out to her and she maintained she was right.

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  11. Tautaioleua (305 comments) says:

    She may have been confused by the question, Yogibear. It’s not hard when English is not your first language. She’s probably of the view that the reserve bank serves the interests of the foreign investor over and above the average New Zealander. This is a valid understanding of the institution; rather mainstream too.

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  12. Yogibear (366 comments) says:

    Which is it Tautaioleua?

    First you say she didn’t may have not understood, and they you suggest she has a finely nuanced understanding.

    I read her exchange with the journalists. There could have been no confusion over ownership – it was clarified for her and she insisted they were wrong.

    But I go back to the point that it is her job as an MP to understand the institutions she oversees. This one almost ranks up there with Sue Kedgely wanting to ban dihydrogen monoxide

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  13. Tautaioleua (305 comments) says:

    Her view is still valid. Essentially, the reserve bank is responsible for interest rates and this influences the participation of foreign investors in our local economy.

    I would also argue that she is a spokesperson for social development, not to be confused with economic development. You would have a case if she was the party spokesperson for finance or economic development, but she is neither. She will never oversee the reserve bank so you have nothing to worry about.

    :-)

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  14. ShawnLH (5,063 comments) says:

    “Essentially, the reserve bank is responsible for interest rates and this influences the participation of foreign investors in our local economy.”

    That’s a few miles away at least from what she said. So no, her view is not valid.

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  15. Yogibear (366 comments) says:

    Again, Tautaioleua, you can’t have it both ways.

    On the one hand, you suggest we should go easy on her because she is not an economic spokesperson, yet you also state she is entitled to publicly and forcefully express a view on an economic matter.

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  16. Tautaioleua (305 comments) says:

    Yogibear,

    You’re the one arguing that all MP’s oversee the reserve bank. This is incorrect. Those in government who are tasked with finance and economic development do, but not a backbench opposition MP who specialises in social development.

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  17. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    “it was just a “speak-o””

    You do know that the guy who recently claimed to have had a “speak-o” (hence, coined the term effectively) has been shown to have said the same “mistake” on multiple occasions, from prepared comments. So not a good term to be using.

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  18. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    Tautaioleua
    Nice try and your loyalty is admirable but the fact is she should check her facts before she opens her mouth. Other MPs who have English as a second language do, so stop making excuses for her. She is inept and frankly more than a little pathetic and ignorant.
    I’m looking forward to Andrea Vance’s continuing investigation into illegal access to private records. If she has done it, then her career as an MP is over.

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  19. Yogibear (366 comments) says:

    Tautaioleua

    Thank you for pointing out my “error”

    Last time I checked, there was an Act of Parliament called the Reserve Bank Act.

    Last time I checked, we were also a Westminster democracy where Parliament oversees the Executive (or “government” as you refer to it), including a requirement that the Reserve Bank appears before a Select Committee made up of MPs of all sides of the House.

    My reading of the Public Finance Act also suggests that the Minister responsible for the Reserve Bank is accountable to Parliament for their actions and the performance of the entity.

    A quick check of Parliaments Standing Orders also suggests that there are not different classes of MP who are more, or less entitled to have a view or make a comment on something.

    Please correct me if I have any of this wrong.

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  20. Tautaioleua (305 comments) says:

    Stop being a drama queen.

    “The Reserve Bank does not have shareholders. It is 100% ‘owned’ by the New Zealand Government, with any extra revenue that the Reserve Bank makes going back into the Crown accounts. The Central Bank is not a government department, but is a body corporate whose finances are included in the Crown accounts.”

    Government is the operative word here, not parliament or the House of Representatives.

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  21. Yogibear (366 comments) says:

    Tautaioleua

    It should also be noted that the tweet in question was in support of a NZ First economic policy statement.

    Are you seriously suggesting that we should not critique a NZ First MP promoting her own party’s policy?

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  22. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    Yogi
    He’s suggesting we shouldn’t criticise arse nasti because her English isn’t so good. Bullshit really, her english is fine, it’s the opening the mouth before thinking which is the problem.I wouldn’t worry, she’ll be gone soon.

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  23. Yogibear (366 comments) says:

    Tautaioleua

    I’m beginning to wonder if you are really Asenati Lole-Taylor.

    The Crown and Government operates under the authorisation of Parliament and is accountable to it (and the courts) for its actions.

    Its very simple champ, there are only 3 basic scenarios where government doesn’t operate without the say-so of our MPs:
    1: The government is operating illegally
    2: We’ve reverted to an absolute monarchy
    3: We’ve become a dictatorship

    Again, prove me wrong

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  24. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    Tauta
    “Her view is valid”
    No it’s not. It’s completely incorrect. Talk defending the indefensible.

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  25. Tautaioleua (305 comments) says:

    The Reserve Bank Governor reports to the Minister of Finance. If you think that all MP’s oversee the reserve bank, shouldn’t he be reporting to parliament? lol.

    Seriously, I’m beginning to think English is your second language!

    :-)

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  26. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    “But the clear winner in the lunacy stakes is New Zealand First’s Asenati Lole-Taylor for her insistence that the Reserve Bank is owned by foreigners. ”

    It is not owned by foreigners and she is wrong. Still in her valedictory she will be able to say how she was very successful at becoming a laughing stock in NZ. Seriously, everyone thinks she’s a joke.

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  27. Yogibear (366 comments) says:

    OK Tautaioleua – One last try on NZ parliamentary democracy 101

    Your 4 questions are as follows:
    1: Who makes up the House of Representatives? (hint, its MPs)
    2: Who makes up the Government? (hint, its a group of MPs who can convince the Queen’s Representative that they can form a Government)
    3: Who are Ministers? (hint, MPs who operate under a Warrant from the Queen)
    4: What happens when a Government no longer enjoys the confidence of the House of Representatives

    Three last, really tricky questions for you:
    1: who, or what is a “Responsible Minister”? (hint it defined in the Public Finance Act, Crown Entites Act and also referenced in the Reserve Bank Act)
    2: Who are they responsible to? (hints, its not the PM, the Queen or the judiciary)
    3: On what planet would you require responsibility without oversight

    (answer to the last one it seems is Planet Tautaioleua )

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  28. Tautaioleua (305 comments) says:

    Explaining is losing, what you describe is theory. In reality, the Reserve Bank Governor reports to the Minister of Finance who reports to cabinet.

    I struggle to see how there is room for Asenati to “oversee” the Reserve Bank in this scenario, but you appear to have all the answers. Does she also have an audience with the Reserve Bank Governor? does she sign off on some of their paperwork? does she give a briefing paper on her preferences for cash and interest rates? does she monitor the country’s pricing index on behalf of parliament?

    You sound like someone with a degree in political science lol. My roll of toilet paper is worth more.

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  29. Dead Earnest (160 comments) says:

    “If he feels that strongly then America, where he’s destined to end up anyway, will give him a big hello, plus free accommodation for a very long time, although decidedly smaller than his current abode”

    I would suggest it would be a simlar sized abode, just it would be shared with several thousand other’s, the majority belonging to a racial group the Krim has been free to make extremely derogatory amd inflamatory comments about. How unfortunate.

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  30. Yogibear (366 comments) says:

    Explaining may be losing but it seems willful ignorance (or stupidity) is permanent.

    If Arsenati ever became a Minister (heaven forbid) – I’d love to see how a Select Committee would react to her saying “I only have theoretical accountability to you”

    But I am actually going to answer your core question (noting you haven’t answered any of mine). YES! Parliament (not the Minister) signs off on the RBNZ funding agreement, and also is the final authoriser of their annual report. In other words, in the absence of the agreement of MPs, the RB can’t operate lawfully.

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  31. Yogibear (366 comments) says:

    and finally Tautaioleua……

    …….like you say there is a core issue here with regards to Lole-Taylor and her roles (as distinct from your rolls), the upshot of which is you are suggesting that we should not trust the word of a NZ First MP when they tweet in support of their Party’s policy

    Maybe she didn’t understand her party’s policy in addition to her misunderstanding of the governance of the RBNZ.

    Maybe Winston isn’t explaining it to her properly.

    Maybe its everyone else’s fault but her own

    I’d love your explanation on that one.

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  32. ChardonnayGuy (1,207 comments) says:

    Can I note that gay men are completely immune to Colin Craig? We do have minimum quality standards. He falls somewhat below them.

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