Collins resigns

August 30th, 2014 at 12:05 pm by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

will lose her job in a matter of hours, the Herald understands.

Prime Minister John Key has changed his plans today in order to give a special media stand-up at 12.30pm.

Collins’ resignation comes after evidence emerged in the past 24 hours of her role in moves to discredit former SFO boss Adam Feeley.

It’s understood she has resigned in a bid to clear her name without damaging the election campaign.

My understanding is that there is no evidence that Judith Collins did do anything to discredit or pass on information about Adam Feeley. The e-mail is second hand, with someone else saying that Judith said she’ll pass on any information she has. As I have said many times in the past, taking everything said in e-mails between friends as a literal statement of the truth, rather than a mixture of bravado and exaggeration, is dangerous.

But kudos to Judith for apparently resigning, to stop this ongoing saga. A very very difficult call I am sure. My thoughts are with her. While the last six months has been a torrid time for Judith, I do think people will recall she achieved a huge amount as a Minister for five and a half years as Police, Corrections, ACC and  Justice Minister.

Judith Collins has announced:

This morning I informed the Prime Minister that I am resigning as a Minister from Cabinet.

A new allegation has come to light from an email conversation from 2011 between Cameron Slater and others suggesting I was undermining the then Director of the Serious Fraud Office. I was not party to this email or discussion and have only today been made aware of it.

“I absolutely and strongly deny this and any suggestion of inappropriate behaviour.  I am restrained in clearing my name while I am still a Minister inside Cabinet and I believe the right thing to do is to resign as a Minister so I am able to clear my name.

I have asked the Prime Minister for an Inquiry into these serious allegations so that my name can be cleared. I will, of course, cooperate with any Inquiry.”

“The Election should be focused on the issues that matter such as law and order, health, education and the economy and I do not want this matter to be a distraction for the Prime Minister or the National Party during the campaign.

“I am a strong advocate for the people of Papakura and I will continue to put the same passion and energy into representing them.

“I am getting on with my job as MP for Papakura and will campaign strongly for re-election this year.

The PM has said:

Prime Minister John Key today announced that Hon Judith Collins has resigned from Cabinet.

Mr Key says the resignation of Ms Collins followed the receipt of new information that raises allegations about Ms Collins’ conduct as a Minister.

“The relationship between a Minister and their Chief Executive is vital, and goes right to the heart of a trusted, effective government.

“This new information suggests Ms Collins may have been engaged in discussions with a blogger in 2011 aimed at undermining the then Director of the Serious Fraud Office. Ms Collins was the Minister responsible for the SFO at the time.

Mr Key released an email which had been recently been provided to his office.

“I have spoken with Ms Collins about the matters in the email, and she strongly denies any suggestion of inappropriate behaviour on her part.

“Ms Collins accepts these are serious allegations and that resigning as a Minister is the honourable step to take in these circumstances.

Mr Key says Ms Collins resignation takes effect immediately, and Hon Christopher Finlayson will be Acting Minister of Justice, Hon Craig Foss will be Acting Minister for ACC, and Hon Hekia Parata will be Acting Minister for Ethnic Affairs. 

 

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261 Responses to “Collins resigns”

  1. Andrew M (51 comments) says:

    You’re loyal David – I’ll give you that.

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  2. mcardnas (84 comments) says:

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  3. dad4justice (8,238 comments) says:

    What a crushing blow. Yeah right.

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  4. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    But kudos to Judith for resigning, to stop this ongoing saga.

    My observation is that a resignation only stops a scandal if it’s someone on the left.

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  5. Colville (2,272 comments) says:

    How long till Winston spins another lie and claims the scalp ?

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  6. DJP6-25 (1,388 comments) says:

    I hope she is given another cabinet post after the election. She is too useful to stay on the back bench for long.

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  7. Kimbo (934 comments) says:

    Smart move by Collins.

    The Feeley investigation is probably a pretext, takes the issue out of the direct-firing line for the moment (or at least minimises it by kicking the investigation down the road), helps National reboot, and gives her the chance of a comeback.

    However, as she has fallen victim/transgressed the one rule all leakers must abide by – Don’t get caught! – that may be a forlorn hope, certainly if she has aspirations for Party leadership and PM.

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  8. seerob1946 (24 comments) says:

    Crusher crushed..Fight with the sword die by the sword.. no matter what political party you support…..

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  9. Unity (588 comments) says:

    You are very loyal David. I didn’t agree with everything Judith Collins did but until recently I had been impressed with her and thought she was a good MP and a possible future leader. She’s had a year from hell though – her annus horribilis. Did I spell that right? And it’s been getting worse with perhaps more still to come. At least she has fallen on her sword which is more than you can say for some MPs – and Mayors!!?? So for that she gets brownie points.

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  10. m@tt (629 comments) says:

    “no evidence”
    Where there is smoke there is fire.
    Or in Judith’s case; where there is 40 kilometre volcanic plume…

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  11. kiwi in america (2,456 comments) says:

    Sad but inevitable. Defending Collins’ leak of the public servant’s details to Slater led to Key’s weakest interview I’ve ever heard him give (with Guyon Espiner on National radio). This latest claim would lead to another few days of a distracting media frenzy. Finally, when the leader says you’re on your last last chance, you have to back the threat with action. This clears criticism of Collins off the front pages after today. If she can clear her name, Key will re-instate her if they win.

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  12. eszett (2,417 comments) says:

    But kudos to Judith for resigning, to stop this ongoing saga.

    Really? Wouldn’t kudos be more appropriate if she would have actually done a few things differently.

    To quote her mate Slater, death by a thousand paper cuts. It’s not one single event that brought her down, but a string of really bad judgements.

    Lie down with the whale you end up smelling fishy.

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  13. Chalmy (6 comments) says:

    While I do firmly believe that it is time for her to go, it saddens me that she will leave in this way, and that all of her excellent work as a Minister will be overshadowed by the scandal.
    No matter what has happened in the last 6 months, she has been an excellent minister in all of her portfolios, and has worked well for New Zealand.

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  14. georgedarroch (317 comments) says:

    “[Not a]literal statement of the truth… a mixture of bravado and exaggeration.” – David Farrar.

    Nice try. It appears that Collins has done things which no Minister should ever do.

    It takes a man with incredible hubris to claim that this makes her a woman deserving of “kudos”.

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  15. brucehoult (195 comments) says:

    Not yet convinced she’ll resign or be fired this close to the election. Stepping aside, taking leave etc, pending fuller investigation, yes.

    We’ll know in a few minutes…

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  16. kiwigunner (230 comments) says:

    I’d love to know “the huge amount of things” she achieved as a Minister, and for whom.

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  17. peterwn (3,277 comments) says:

    Kimbo – Helen Clark allegedly leaked like a sieve in this respect, got caught (there was some evidence this was happening), and got away with it. MSM would not have had the will to really put the heat on her and H2.

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  18. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    Zb will have it live at 1230

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  19. Kimbo (934 comments) says:

    @ georgedarroch

    Nice try. It appears that Collins has done things which no Minister should ever do.

    “Should not?” Correct

    “Do it all the time?” Of every political stripe and shade? You betcha!

    At least Helen Clark and Heather Simpson can pat themselves on the back that when they used their version of Cuban burglars in the Watergate Building to throw Peter Doone (among many others) under the bus, they were more competent than Collins…because they never got caught.

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  20. cha (4,036 comments) says:

    But kudos to Judith for apparently resigning, to stop this ongoing saga.

    You’re an optimistic wee thing….

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  21. queenstfarmer (782 comments) says:

    Interesting to re-look at the comments here: http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/05/the_need_for_discipline.html

    Key should have sacked her back then. He made a big mistake not doing so.

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  22. Kimbo (934 comments) says:

    @ peterwn

    Helen Clark allegedly leaked like a sieve in this respect, got caught (there was some evidence this was happening), and got away with it. MSM would not have had the will to really put the heat on her and H2.

    Nope. “Allegedly” doesn’t cut it. Of course she did.

    However, “some evidence” isn’t good enough. You must have the “smoking gun”. Which Whale Oil’s emails provide.

    And the reason the press won’t really go after the story unless it is dumped into the public domain like in the Hager book, or a bumbling former FBI operative with a bunch of Cubans burglars is because the press knows the highest echelons of the Executive leak all the time.

    They would have precious little of value to publish on their front pages beyond bland ministerial press releases if it were otherwise!

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  23. G152 (351 comments) says:

    The surge in Nationals popularity is going to make Liebors eyes water.
    The day after the elections guess who gets reinstated and guess who is going to hide in a whinebox

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    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  25. Urban_Redneck (93 comments) says:

    She’s been one of the walking dead for months. Oravida belied sound judgement . . . and getting involved with Ambergris, even in the smallest of capacities was incredibly stupid.

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  26. notrotsky (84 comments) says:

    About time.

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  27. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    JOHN KEY IS A GUTLESS PIECE OF SHIT.

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  28. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Milk Me … calling for Collins to be burned then smearing Key.

    What a mangy, Left-wing mongrel you are, Milk Me.

    Get back to your kennels at the Standard.

    Take the other mangy cur, notrotsky, with you.

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  29. gump (1,650 comments) says:

    Key showed exceptionally poor judgment to keep her on for this long.

    No single player is bigger than the team. She has damaged the chances of National being re-elected.

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  30. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    Shipley China Girl should resign too (she should stand again, get elected and resign).

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  31. Black with a Vengeance (1,865 comments) says:

    Crushed by a whale.

    Hell of a way to go.

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  32. m@tt (629 comments) says:

    Key looks extremely weak over this. He should have stood her down within days of the dirty politics revelations. It would have played out far better than this clusterf…

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  33. somewhatthoughtful (466 comments) says:

    I don’t why you idiots dote over her so much. She’s been a continual thorn in your sides, now she’s hopefully gone for good. She does your team no good, yet you all fawn over her as if she were actually an effective minister.

    Her impact can be measured by the number of cars she’s crushed. Nicky Hager’s done you all a favour helping to get rid of her.

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  34. redqueen (567 comments) says:

    A very honourable decision, given that this simply re-affirms her willingness to fight on (rather than sit in silence while slandered repeatedly by every left-wing prick around). I hope she succeeds in clearing her name and gives them double back. The constant ‘attack politics’ against her by commentators and politicians on the left really has been disgusting and shows what high standards they really have.

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  35. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    JUSTICE for David Bains……………….

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  36. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    Kicked, not Crushed. Collins will rise again, after the inevitable inquiry and assuming the Nats lead the next government she’ll be back in Caucus in less than a year. Contrite perhaps, but resolved to burying those that attacked her. Hell hath no fury…

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  37. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Somewhatthopughtful posted at 12.43 of Collins’ resignation:

    She’s been a continual thorn in your sides

    Another visitor from the Standard. Still, at least you didn’t call for the woman to be burned alive.

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  38. notrotsky (84 comments) says:

    @Jack5, best you calm down, my relief at Collins being gone has more to do with her continued presence being a complete distraction to winning the election. Just think if she’d gone some time ago perhaps after the Orivida episode how much negative press would the Nats have avoided ?

    I also don’t rate her as highly as many on the political right and view that she hasn’t really achieved that highly in her portfolios in comparison for example a minister such as Tony Ryall.

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  39. wiseowl (899 comments) says:

    Eszett.
    A whale is not a fish.

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  40. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

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  41. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Re lurcher1948 posted at 12.44:

    JUSTICE for David Bains……

    For a moment I thought you were a Bainiac, but then I realised you want a third trial for Bain.

    So you think they might find him guilty for a second time?

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  42. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Re Milk Me at 12.48.

    If you want the woman burned alive, that’s the disgusting call of a mangy mongrel.

    How hypocritical to make such an appalling call and to make your scatalogical assessment of Key then to described yourself as being for “fairness and equality”.

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  43. mjw (396 comments) says:

    Wow. The inspector general of the SIS is investigating the PMs office. And the Justice minister will be investigated for undermining the head of the SFO.

    Could it get any worse?

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  44. Ross12 (1,432 comments) says:

    Milk Me

    ” 1. I am not a lefty ” Ok, but you are probably a Green which would mean you are an EXTREME lefty.

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  45. Paulus (2,633 comments) says:

    Have just heard a media “person” say that they will continue to release and go at everything being leaked from the stolen ems every day up to the election.

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  46. mjw (396 comments) says:

    This raises incredibly serious questions about the Prime Minister’s judgement. Just what kind of a government has he been running?

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  47. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    This is a great shame. I had direct dealings with Collins both before, during, and after the three strikes Bill went through. Readers may remember that 3S suddenly went from being a Justice Bill – overseen by FIGJAM Power – to a Corrections Bill for which Collins had responsibility.

    The change from negotiating with Power to Collins was profound – Power played games with us (ACT) pretending he was trying to come to an agreement on the precise content of the 3S when unbeknown to us, he was telling his aides we would have a 3S law “over my [his] dead body.” The end of his involvement came after a meeting with the PM which I have referred to on several occasions.

    Once Collins was in charge for the Nats it was as if the game had completely changed, from obfuscation and game playing to interacting with someone who played with a completely straight bat. As is now a matter of record, within about two weeks she and our caucus had agreed on a couple of changes to the Bill – the main one being the “manifestly unjust” exception at stage 3 – and much to the astonishment of all the so called experts, a public announcement that the Nat’s would support it soon followed.

    Since my downfall I have corresponded with Collins on a number of matters, both on behalf of SST and myself. It might sound like a little thing, but I have greatly appreciated her crossing out the salutation “Mr Garrett” on top of letters and substituting in pen “David”, and the “all the best” at the bottom. The mockers will scoff, but things like that mean a lot when you are really down, as I was for a long time.

    I hope Judith’s time in the wilderness is short. In addition to 3S, she has been an excellent Minister in all her portfolios. I wish her, as she has wished me, “All the Best”.

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  48. cha (4,036 comments) says:

    Heh

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10756587

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwPyHNECUAApXPm.jpg:large

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  49. violentrage (37 comments) says:

    mjw. no, this is as bad as it gets. and this latest revelation didn’t come from Hager. Collins should resign from parliament. She is dishonest, a bully, and has abuse her office to advance her husband’s business interests. The winner? Peters. As in 2011 John Key’s political naivety has given Peters oxygen.

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  50. redeye (629 comments) says:

    Milk Me: You should forgive everyone for thinking your a Standard poster. You come across as a nasty little bastard totally focused on the politics of envy and that appears to be the Standard’s modus operandi.

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  51. ShawnLH (5,293 comments) says:

    “1. I am not a lefty”

    Oh really?

    “Collins is a piece of shit, and Key is no better.”

    Nice. Not really. Collins made some bad calls, some of which were not wrong just unwise, but that does not make her “a piece of shit” or Key for that matter.

    “I stand for fairness and equality and this government has been doing its best to increase inequality”

    Sounds like something a lefty would say. You seem very confused, or are just being dishonest.

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  52. violentrage (37 comments) says:

    David Garrett one can only admire your loyalty, but your personal regard for Collins, even your respect for her political commitments, should not support Collins’ rehabilitation. She is a lawyer and has business interests, and has shown herself to be temperamentally and ethically unsuited to political life.

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  53. Black with a Vengeance (1,865 comments) says:

    Someone remind me what a lefty is again and a defintion of a righty while you’re at it ?

    *grabs the popcorn*

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  54. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    mjw

    I know right, and all because they never learnt to say ‘move on’ !

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  55. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    …and in come the jackals…as always, hiding behind fucking pseudonyms…If you are going to make nasty accusations against a person, at least have the courage to put your (real) name to them.. Snivelling cowards, the lot of you.

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  56. mcardnas (84 comments) says:

    violentrage (11 comments) says:
    August 30th, 2014 at 1:06 pm
    David Garrett one can only admire your loyalty, but your personal regard for Collins, even your respect for her political commitments, should not support Collins’ rehabilitation. She is a lawyer and has business interests, and has shown herself to be temperamentally and ethically unsuited to political life.

    LIKE ALL criminals should be AYE david ! and ps im using my real name

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  57. Nostalgia-NZ (5,221 comments) says:

    I like naïve suggestions by KIA that Collins will find her way back in. This is the tip of the iceberg. I expect there’ll be a call for an inquiry more broad ranging that this single allegation – the question is if JK endorses that and if not, then why not.

    Rodney Hide said Key had Collins up his sleeve to give the push when necessary which is probably right, but it would be idiocy to believe a line can be drawn under Collin’s resignation and all other matters will go away. There’s 7 years of intrigue out there, this is near the surface, but what we don’t know is how wide the practice of undermining others in this manner is and who the others involved in Cabinet are. Key looks to be one, he should take the initiative now and front the facts to the public – because 1 thing for sure is that the leaked material, and the patterns that emerge from it will keep coming.

    All of these machinations by Collins and others were to take an unfair advantage of nzers to crucify and undermine them publicly – that’s not NZ as the public expect. Hurt double, if they don’t love you ensure they fear you – mediaeval crap.

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  58. Black with a Vengeance (1,865 comments) says:

    Awww Garrett that’s really sweet.

    Or should I call you David to give your day a bit of a lift?

    All the best!

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  59. violentrage (37 comments) says:

    Milk Me I don’t understand why the blog owner doesn’t remove your abusive posts along with your posting rights.

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  60. edd (157 comments) says:

    It’s one thing at a time for these Whale Dump hackers.

    Now that Collins is done and dusted they will begin their next offensive.

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  61. eszett (2,417 comments) says:

    If you are going to make nasty accusations against a person, at least have the courage to put your (real) name to them

    You mean the same courage that Collins showed when she passed on Pleasants details to Slater?

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  62. ShawnLH (5,293 comments) says:

    Collins has made some mistakes, but there are plenty in Parliament, including quite a few in Labour, who have done as bad or worse. Mallard comes to mind.

    So I agree with David, she needs some time off, but after the election and a suitable time for reflection there is no reason why she should not be a minister again.

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  63. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    Good. Even if Collins hadn’t had this latest claim come out, it was still the pragmatic thing to do (resign). Regardless of the good work she’s been doing in her portfolios, politically she’s shown poor judgement and has been a liability to National all year.

    It won’t stop the smears leading up to the election, because that seems to be the new normal in NZ Politics. Hopefully it will not prevail.

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  64. violentrage (37 comments) says:

    edd…..do you have information that whale dump rather than whale oil is the source of this email? evidence seems to be that it came from within National

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  65. Mark (1,488 comments) says:

    You have to say at this point as sleazy and awful as Hagar is he has demolished Slater with a TKO after having him on the ropes for a good few weeks

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  66. deadrightkev (472 comments) says:

    This will not dampen her popularity for the leadership too much. She can sit and bide her time. Cream always rises to the top of the bucket.

    She has dented her credibility by dealing with Slater behind the scenes IMO but she still remains the only hope of overpowering the progressives in the party.

    She is the only Nat MP I have any time for.

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  67. eszett (2,417 comments) says:

    wiseowl (821 comments) says:
    August 30th, 2014 at 12:47 pm
    Eszett.
    A whale is not a fish.

    Never said it was.
    A dog is not a flea either.

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  68. violentrage (37 comments) says:

    adze. With Collins gone the chances of cleaner politics has increased

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  69. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    Violentbeige;

    Because then it would be like wailboil, one sided biased dribble.

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  70. Honeybadger (215 comments) says:

    ‘I will of course, co operate with any enquiry’ Any enquiry? there is an IF?

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  71. The worm that turned (14 comments) says:

    About friggin time.

    Collins has been a liability way too long and this election is too vital for NZ to lose to a cabal of bolsheviki whored by a German bagman.

    And now time to take the fight back. Be proud of the dirty politics. The left have indulged in dirt for decades, from Clark’s incessant leaking to their utter infection of our public services.
    So take one for the team Collins and piss off, and Key grow some balls and come out swinging.

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  72. Mark (1,488 comments) says:

    ShawnLH@1.14pm Collins is unlikely to ever serve as a Cabinet Minister again in a Key lead government.

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  73. mcardnas (84 comments) says:

    deadrightkev (330 comments) says:
    August 30th, 2014 at 1:16 pm
    This will not dampen her popularity for the leadership too much. She can sit and bide her time. Cream always rises to the top of the bucket.

    She has suffered a kick in her credibility by dealing with Slater behind the scenes from my perspective but she still remains the only hope the Nat’s have of kicking the progressives out of the party.

    scum rises faster and this ones just been skimmed

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  74. Slipster (177 comments) says:

    It is a sad state of affairs when people are forced to resign because of allegations and a hearsay allegations at that.
    They should be judged on what they actually do as opposed to what their known political enemies alledge about them.

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  75. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Milk Me (51 comments) says:

    1. I am not a lefty

    That’s great to hear, because then it won’t seem that I’m picking you because you’re a lefty.

    Your comments on KB have been some of the most vile I’ve seen in my 7 or 8 years here. You are a piece of shit who should be burnt. Note that I’m using your own comments here, and like others I’m not sure why you haven’t yet been banned permanently. You make Cameron Slater look good.

    fuck off you dimwitted fool

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  76. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    ” Cream always rises to the top of the bucket.”

    The lard has settled in her arse though.

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  77. Neil (588 comments) says:

    I’m just wondering whether the latest email, provided anonymously to the PM, was used to cut the Collins cancer of the latest six months. It as the PM says “… an isolated incident” Isolated oil slick in a oceanic blow out perhaps.
    I thought the PM handled the siutation well, to do nothing would have been a terminal blow.
    I hope this is a lesson to blog hosts,bloggers and others to realize the value of civility. To read of the rotten language, the use of sexual explicit vocabulery and the untruths being peddled does us no favours. Email and blogs allows us to express opinions but respecting each others opinions.

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  78. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    Black: You are the perfect illustration of the point I am making…an anonymous skulking jackal… I wouldn’t be surprised if you have no real friends…here’s the test: How many of your “friends” would lend you a grand without asking questions, or drop everything to come to your aid if he/she was asked?

    Didn’t think so…

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  79. violentrage (37 comments) says:

    Milk Me: violent beige? I like it!

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  80. ShawnLH (5,293 comments) says:

    “Because then it would be like wailboil, one sided biased dribble.”

    KB already has a variety of views here, without you, and it IS a National leaning blog, so you have to expect a “bias” toward the Right.

    But KB does not need people who cannot make a decent argument but really on extreme personal abuse, like calling Collins a “piece of shit” which does add anything of value to the debate.

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  81. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    I see Whale Oil has reacted to the Collins announcement, including this:

    Judith Collins is another victim of a large scale criminal conspiracy. The media are complicit in that. They are the willing tools of a criminal hacker, and they should hang their heads in shame. None of this could ever be used in a court because it’s been obtained illegally, yet they have run it as unchallenged fact.

    I don’t know whether Whale is correct.

    I’m beginning to wonder whether the dirty tactics and shift of the election focus from the important policy issues aren’t related to our electoral system. We borrowed MMP from Germany. In Germany, it evolved from the system that existed when the National Socialist Party first entered, then, took over the Reichstag. How interesting we are now subject to fragmentation into many parties (as in early-1930s German politics); and to increasing nastiness and illegal or semi-legal tactics of activists who grow less and less civil.

    To top it off, active in our politics of a fugitive from the American justice system who hails from the homeland of MMP.

    Was this decline predestined when we adopted MMP?

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  82. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    Someone email dpf and milk boy will be gone

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  83. edd (157 comments) says:

    “edd…..do you have information that whale dump rather than whale oil is the source of this email? evidence seems to be that it came from within National”

    I don’t have any evidence. I’m just going on what’s come out so far and how much other stuff there must be on Whale Oil’s emails. This is a very well run attack on the government thus far, so I’ll be expecting it to continue right up until the election.

    As for this last email, maybe it’s a fake email designed to allow Collins to stand down ‘honorably’ and then clear her name later on. Whale Dump hasn’t been sending emails to Key’s office (where they aren’t guaranteed full public access) so I don’t think it came from that crowd at all.

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  84. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    To report abusive comments email kiwiblogabuse@gmail.com

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  85. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    who says I’m a boy?

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  86. cha (4,036 comments) says:

    Collins fronts.

    http://tvnz.co.nz/politics-news/judith-collins-announces-resignation-video-6067700

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  87. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “Kicked, not Crushed. Collins will rise again,”

    No bloody way, the witch is dead, the wicked witch is dead!

    And it’s not even the 15th of September!

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  88. violentrage (37 comments) says:

    edd, I’ve seen the email. it’s out there if you can find it. It is from Slater to ‘Carrick’ and one deleted recipient, and it talks of Slater feeding information to Collins with the intent of undermining Adam Feeley of the SFO. It COULD have come from WD, but equally likely, as has been suggested, to have given Key the premise he needs to sack Collins without conceding that Hager’s book is right in most respects. I hope this proves to be the downfall of this corrupt government.

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  89. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    Mike He

    I’m seriously hoping you’re not a boy, I’ve got my fingers crossed you’re a pre menstrual woman. That way there would be some hope that at least some times during any 28 day cycle you wouldn’t be bat shit crazy.

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  90. altiora (279 comments) says:

    Have to disagree with those who think Collins is still the leader in waiting. She has been a right pain and distraction, and constantly we are being confronted with examples of her lapses of judgment. Collins might have been a leader in a first-past-the-post environment; but she is too abrasive and polarising in the MMP environment. I do not expect Key will give her any cabinet post, or at the least she will be demoted in rank. That is assuming that National wins the election. And there is the real risk that, if National doesn’t form the next government, Collins will be cast as the person who lost the election for National. No amount of screaming “left wing smear campaign” will detract from that. People who aspire to be leaders need to be squeaky clean, and be seen to be so. If they’re not, then they have only themselves to blame. Neither the Left nor the media will cut them any slack; they should operate from that basis. Collins has failed to do so.

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  91. cha (4,036 comments) says:

    The email posted up thread.

    edit: http://static.stuff.co.nz/files/collinsemail.pdf

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  92. ShawnLH (5,293 comments) says:

    “I hope this proves to be the downfall of this corrupt government.”

    Unlikely to say the least, and this government is no more corrupt than any other, possibly less so.

    Moreover replacing an economically competent government with the circus of a Labour/Green/IMP coalition would be a disaster for the country.

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  93. edd (157 comments) says:

    “edd, I’ve seen the email. it’s out there if you can find it. It is from Slater to ‘Carrick’ and one deleted recipient, and it talks of Slater feeding information to Collins with the intent of undermining Adam Feeley of the SFO. It COULD have come from WD, but equally likely, as has been suggested, to have given Key the premise he needs to sack Collins without conceding that Hager’s book is right in most respects. I hope this proves to be the downfall of this corrupt government.”

    I think the fact that one recipient is deleted means that it’s not from Whale Dump. They would want maximum carnage for all involved in this plot. Someone else is definetly involved. But who?

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  94. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Cop-hating jackinabox (1.33 post) puts his boot into Collins as she resigns as Minister of Justice.

    What a surprise, jackinabox.

    Don’t get too cocky. The Conservatives have Garth McVicar at No. 4 on their party list.

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  95. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    I realise not directly related to the discussion: But did anyone else’s Freeview go down for about 15 minutes just now? I missed the Collins news conference. Even the internet live feed of TVOne only restarted recently.

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  96. billr (21 comments) says:

    If there’s anything to come out of this it’s this: Nicky Hager, watch out. Judith Collins belongs to the full front attack – square in the face. She will be like an attack dog and will not rest until her name is cleared. I hope that he is fully lawyered up, he’s going to need it.

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  97. edd (157 comments) says:

    “If there’s anything to come out of this it’s this: Nicky Hager, watch out. Judith Collins belongs to the full front attack – square in the face. She will be like an attack dog and will not rest until her name is cleared. I hope that he is fully lawyered up, he’s going to need it.”

    That’s why she’s lost her job, threatening people. So if she continues with her bad behavior she might lose her freedom as well… “Ex Minister of justice gets some rough justice herself.” Nice headline right there…

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  98. violentrage (37 comments) says:

    billr. Good luck to Collins suing Hager over Orovida,

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  99. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    “this corrupt government”!!!! give me strength…

    Here’s a wee sample of corrupt actions by Clark and HER government:

    Signing a painting she didn’t paint…found to be a prima facie case of forgery (the same charge I once faced) by both the Commissioner’s office AND Crown Law…Clark’s toady Attorney General then suddently found it “wasn’t in the public interest” to prosecute her..

    The ongoing support of Philip Field, including cynically setting up an “Inquiry” with such narrow terms of reference it inevitably “cleared” him…They only turned on him when he said he was going to go independent..

    The – what was it – $800,000 of taxpayers’ money used for the Pledge Card..then changing the law retrospectively – something this government has NEVER done to the best of my knowledge – to make what was illegal legal..

    The same trick when they found that Harry Duynhoven was not a citizen and therefore not validly an MP let alone a Minister…a quick retrospective law change, and no trouble..

    Others can add to the list of truly CORRUPT things – as opposed to political mis-steps – taken by Clark and her mates..

    And who presents TVNZ’s “analysis” of all this? Why, none other than the totally disinterested Katey Bradford!! What an effing joke…

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  100. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Left-wing troll Milk Me posted at 1.31

    who says I’m a boy?

    Is it the dope or meth that makes it hard for you to tell your own gender, Milk Me, or are you permanently out of your skull?

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  101. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    FFS David the Clark government was 6 years ago! let it go.

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  102. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “Cop-hating jackinabox (1.33 post) puts his boot into Collins as she resigns as Minister of Justice.

    What a surprise, jackinabox.

    Don’t get too cocky. The Conservatives have Garth McVicar at No. 4 on their party list.”

    Anyone who has been Police Minister and dies by the sword gives me the warm fuzzies.

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  103. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    Child identity thief

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  104. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ David Garrett (6,727 comments) says:
    August 30th, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    But no one wants a government that is the ‘same as’, people want a government that is ‘better than the rest’.

    At some stage the excuse that ‘Helen did this or that, so we can too’ is not going to work. Besides, as far as I know, Helen isn’t standing in the next election.

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  105. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    DG

    Don’t forget taking Winston on his word just long enough for the state of limitations to have lapsed before letting him get a slap on wrist with a wet bus ticket at the privileges committee hearing. His many years of returns did he need to re-file without fear of conviction ?

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  106. ShawnLH (5,293 comments) says:

    The Labour party that gave rise to the Clark government is still in existence so the corruption they were happy to engage in under Clark is still relevant. And David’s legitimate point is that this government is no more corrupt than any other, and IMO less so than the last Labour outing.

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  107. edd (157 comments) says:

    “I am maintaining daily communications with Jared Savage at the
    Herald and he is passing information directly to me that the Herald
    can’t run and so are feeding me to run on the blog.”

    What does this mean?

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  108. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    I do wonder how long National can stay above this without playing the lefties game and pulling out some dirty politics of their own. This will likely see them get a poll bump, if the previous poll suggesting the majority wanted Collins gone was accurate. So National may still be able to win without stooping to the level of the disgusting left.

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  109. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    IMO this is the most corrupt government in NZ history, But that is only an opinion Shorn.

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  110. violentrage (37 comments) says:

    David Garrett. Yes, there was ‘corruption’ in the now 6 year old Clark govt, but the incidents you state do not come close to the corrupt practices of Judith Collins, supported and defended by the Prime Minister whose own office was engaged in similar practices. This is systemic and cynical abuse of power, led from the top. It is ironic that one of the main reasons it came to light is that National Party activists used the same practices against their own internal opponents.

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  111. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    Milk Me:

    FFS David the Clark government was 6 years ago! let it go.

    Child identity thief

    That was 9 years ago, Milk Me. Take your own advice?

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  112. eszett (2,417 comments) says:

    I do wonder how long National can stay above this without playing the lefties game and pulling out some dirty politics of their own.

    LOL, you can write that with a straight face?

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  113. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    I don’t see the “lefties” hand in this as much as I see the “rightys” shooting themselves repeatedly in the cloven hoof.

    Remember that Hager (as in lager) holds
    no prisoners.

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  114. ShawnLH (5,293 comments) says:

    “IMO this is the most corrupt government in NZ history”

    Based on?

    “But that is only an opinion Shorn.”

    Wow, you can miss-spell my name. I’m impressed.

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  115. Colville (2,272 comments) says:

    Have I got this right thinking Cam Slater being useless at computer security is what has fucked his friend Collins?

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  116. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    Judith

    You are right – they did it too doesn’t cut it. Problem is the people who have for years used the childish ‘they did it too’ excuse are still with us. And they will do it again and when it’s your team doing it you will defend them.

    The email linked to above seems completely damning to me. I guess Key could set up an inquiry with really narrow terms and claim Collins is only guilty of trying to help people. If National did that, passed laws saying it was Ok to do that back then and stole a whole pile of tax payers money promising to put taxes up – would you change your opinion of John Key and declare him the best PM ever ? Or will he need to say ‘move on’ to make you love him ?

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  117. tvb (4,432 comments) says:

    I think she was an effective Minister but I do not like her style of politics. It is a bit too Muldoonist for my taste. But I agreed with her as a Minister and I hope her time in the snow is not too long.

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  118. ShawnLH (5,293 comments) says:

    “Yes, there was ‘corruption’ in the now 6 year old Clark govt, but the incidents you state do not come close to the corrupt practices of Judith Collins”

    Sure they do. The theft of taxpayers money was far worse, and made far worse by Labour passing legislation to make their crime legal.

    Nothing National has done comes even close to that crime.

    “This is systemic and cynical abuse of power, led from the top.”

    Evidence?

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  119. Black with a Vengeance (1,865 comments) says:

    How many of your “friends” would lend you a grand without asking questions, or drop everything to come to your aid if he/she was asked?

    Every single one would!

    Are you saying Collins would do that for you?

    Haha…un fucking likely!

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  120. tom hunter (4,899 comments) says:

    Bye bye Judith, and no, you will not become the leader of the National party or the PM at any time in the future. Not because of this, Clark pulled worse than this.

    No, it’s because you’ve let your colleagues down badly and even if you fight your way back they won’t trust you to hold the reins. Back in cabinet as a minister I can believe but not the top job.

    This raises incredibly serious questions about the Prime Minister’s judgement.

    I hope this proves to be the downfall of this corrupt government.

    Good trolling needs to be subtle and yet…
    Incredibly.
    Serious.

    Oh and one name should be sufficient to shunt you off the moral high ground (but won’t be of course) – Taito Phillip Field. Defended to the bitter end.

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  121. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    Judith: You miss my point…but then nothing new there….It is NOT “Helen did this, so it’s alright”, but rather a response to someone above who called the Key government “corrupt”…

    It would be foolish to claim that the Nats – both collectively and individually – have done everything right over the past six months or so…but corrupt? I don’t think so..

    My Concise Oxford defines corrupt as: rotten; depraved, wicked; influenced by bribery…

    What do you think Dr Judy fits that definition over the past six months or so? It’s a bit like accusations of “fascism”, usually by those who haven’t a clue what the word actually means…

    Tom Hunter: Exactly…”corruption” : just about anything the clark government did regarding Philip Field…

    Black: You have just proved my point…if you think “every single one” of your so called friends would meet that test you are stupid as well as a cowardly jackal… (I never claimed Collins was “a friend” as I define the word)

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  122. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    DG

    Judith is probably one of the people who nodded silently clutching their union card when they read Trotters Courageous Corruption piece defending the utterly corrupt self serving Labour Party. Let it go DG – she’s not going to concede much if you don’t say Helen was a saint.

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  123. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    This one made me laugh out loud!

    “The worst thing about this is that Nicky Hager can now crow that his book claimed the scalp of a Cabinet Minister. You have to wonder about the sort of country we live in when a conspiracy theorist like Hager can decide the fate of our top politicians. The media have a lot to answer for.”

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  124. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    Headline of the New Zealand Hamas

    Judith Collins resigns: Government in turmoil

    Wishful thinking on their part.
    One-eyed clowns.

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  125. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    I bet the stupid women wished she never had heard the name Cameron Slater,rubbish mixes with rubbish on the street.
    JUSTICE and compo for David Bain,a new brighter Minister of Justice,its possible.

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  126. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    Righto. have fun, I am off to burn some precious fossil fuel, just for the hell of it.

    Greeny? Lefty? MEH!

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  127. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Yeeha , good riddance, nz seems such a better place without her, now just to deal to Cunliffe

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  128. Ross12 (1,432 comments) says:

    Ok violentrage how about substantiating this with FACTS

    “you state do not come close to the corrupt practices of Judith Collins, supported and defended by the Prime Minister whose own office was ..”

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  129. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    One interesting aspect that needs to be included in any inquiry is the leaking of information by MP’s to members of the Parliamentary press gallery and to others in the MSM.

    If talking to bloggers is wrong, it surely must also be wrong to talk to the lefties of the MSM.

    And meanwhile, what is the Right at last doing to track down the criminal hackers who feed Hager the Horrible? First it was Brash, National and most others accepted the lies that it was an inside leak, and consquently reaped a new anti-National hacking wave. There are thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of non-lefty nerds who could join the hunt to track the Leftist criminal(s), even if that criminal has been in or associated with the GCSB. We also need to know if foreign criminals are interfering with out democratic process.

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  130. ShawnLH (5,293 comments) says:

    “JUSTICE and compo for David Bain”

    Fuck Bain. He should not get one cent of taxpayers money until he can prove he is innocent, which he can’t.

    Compensation is for those who have been found innocent. Bain has not.

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  131. violentrage (37 comments) says:

    tom hunter et al. Re Taito PF. He was a corrupt and criminal individual; he was not part of a systemic party campaign to influence the political process. Key and Collins between them have threatened our democracy. Collins has gone for good as Minister; Key has made that clear. She will not accept anything less, so my prediction is that if she wins Papakura she will resign from parliament and her place will go to the next on the National list. You might want to bookmark this post until October.

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  132. stephieboy (3,169 comments) says:

    NZ on the International Corruption scale ,

    http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2013/results/

    A Most impressive third in terms of clean . Judith’s wild rhetoric about Collins resignation has purely a more mercenary motive.

    Not hard to figure that out.

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  133. Mark (1,488 comments) says:

    @David Garrett 1.47pm. What do the actions of the Clark government do to lessen the unacceptability of Collins behaviour? Underhand attacks on public servants who are in no position to defend themselves is pretty low stuff. I get the sense that this is not the last of these revelations from the Hagar source and whilst at first I was a bit dismissive of its impact on the election I am now not so sure. Certainly Collins popularity amongst her colleagues cannot be at an all time high right now.

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  134. cha (4,036 comments) says:

    Defended to the bitter end.

    An inquiry was announced a week after the TVNZ report and a month later Field was given the arse from cabinet.

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  135. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    burt: No…I am not stupid enough to think Dr Judy will ever concede anything…her track record here shows her completely unable to shift her position, regardless of the argument or the evidence put to her…As I have an IQ comfortably above 100, I wasn’t trying to shift her position ..rather inviting her to give some examples of “corruption” by this government that comes close to the things I listed which happened under Clark…

    Mark: Another slow one…or at least one who doesn’t read comments carefully enough…see above…Your last couple of sentences are probably pretty well right…

    Shawn: with the greatest respect old boy…let’s NOT allow this thread to become about Bain FFS…

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  136. wreck1080 (3,924 comments) says:

    To the majority who down ticked me for saying the whaleoil dumps would impact national — told you so!!

    Cameron Slater is the leech of politics and will only ever cause damage to the national brand.

    Personally I don’t think there is any evidence that Judith Collins has done anything that warrants a resignation but her friendship with Cameron Slater is toxic.

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  137. beerguts (21 comments) says:

    NZ Herald headline is screaming “Government in Turmoil!”. Hardly.

    Personally I’m pleased to see a distraction dealt with. A couple of days of sensationalist bullshit from the media then we can concentrate on the issues.

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  138. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    Mark

    One thing that is very different, at least for now. Collins isn’t off to a more influential role to continue on much as she has demonstrated. Oh and people aren’t claiming she’s the best justice minister ever and crying.

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  139. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ burt (8,014 comments) says:
    August 30th, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    Used to think he was ‘gods’ gift to New Zealand Burt. Then I looked too closely and realised he was just human, and therefore prone to erring like the rest of us. One of his er’s particularly upset me, and let me form the opinion that, although I admit at present he is a better choice than some on offer, in the long run, he is not the best for NZ. However, we will all be better off when Collins leaves politics for good, and takes up life as a milk taster for someone far away.

    As far as Judith Collins is concerned – two things come to mind. Firstly advice my mother always gave me about the people you choose as friends. “Choose your friends wisely, an insincere and evil friend is to be feared more than a wild beast.”

    Secondly, should we be worried about Collin’s double pay back system?

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  140. tom hunter (4,899 comments) says:

    …. he was not part of a systemic party campaign to influence the political process. Key and Collins between them have threatened our democracy.

    Easily one of the more stupidly partisan things I’ve read here. By having the Labour Party defend him, from the highest in the form of Helen Clark and Michael Cullen to the lowest, it became very much a systemic party campaign to influence the political process. The process being a one vote majority that apparently was going to be be defended at any cost.

    That was very much a threat to our democracy, as was all the shit hanging to Winston Lyin Peters and Labour’s pathetic insistence on hearing, seeing and speaking no evil on the topic. And I write that in the full and sickening knowledge that Key could very well break bread with that corrupt prick to get a third term.

    But you keep up the squeals of moral outrage. It suits you and you probably cannot do otherwise. Just don’t expect anybody here to buy into it.

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  141. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    An inquiry was announced a week after the TVNZ report and a month later Field was given the arse from cabinet.

    cha, according to Field’s wiki page he was put on full paid leave by Labour for six months before he resigned himself, staying on as an independent MP.

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  142. gump (1,650 comments) says:

    @Colville

    “Have I got this right thinking Cam Slater being useless at computer security is what has fucked his friend Collins?”

    ————————–

    Not really. What fucked Collins was her decision to undermine the head of the SFO through a blogger.

    She tried to play hardball and got caught out when the serve was returned.

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  143. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    adze

    Did he say he was unfairly treated and all he wanted to do was help people. Does he say the report from the inquiry was held up in parliament and said to exonerate him by Clark.

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  144. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Judith:

    Secondly, should we be worried about Collin’s double pay back system?

    Depends which “we” you are part of.

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  145. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    gump

    She tried to play hardball and got caught out when the server was returned.

    :-)

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  146. Southern Raider (1,831 comments) says:

    Current Herald Headline is “Collins Resigns. Government in Turmoil”

    FFS it’s not Key that has resigned

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  147. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    Southern Raider

    Perhaps he’s next…

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  148. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “FFS it’s not Key that has resigned”

    He, he, his turn will come on the 15th of September!

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  149. emmess (1,428 comments) says:

    I hope now Collins will make everyone aware that Kim Dot Com is behind the hacking.

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  150. UrbanNeocolonialist (290 comments) says:

    The last 6 months has a real Lord of the Flies feel to it “kill the pig, kill the pig”. The rabid left scares me.

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  151. Johnboy (16,716 comments) says:

    Damn sad. I’ve always had the hots for girls named Judith! :)

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  152. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ RightNow (6,839 comments) says:
    August 30th, 2014 at 2:24 pm

    ;-) why the royal one of course!

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  153. goldnkiwi (1,327 comments) says:

    Hard to read, but did that email state that J.Savage was providing info. to Whale?

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  154. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    That’s right jackinabox, remember to vote on September 15th. :)

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  155. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    jack: Why would Key resign five days BEFORE the election? You’re a very astute student of politics mate…

    Dr Judy: there you are…still waiting for you to list some examples of “corruption” as defined in the Concise Oxford in the Key government..

    goldn: Yep, that’s what is says…Savage feeding stuff to Whale that Granny wouldn’t run…

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  156. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ shawnH

    Compensation is for those who have been found innocent.

    It is my understanding that no one in NZ is ‘found’ innocent in a Court of law, but rather if they are not guilty, their official status defers back to the ‘innocent’. So you are either guilty, or you are innocent – you can be found guilty by a court, but they don’t have the ability to ‘find you innocent’. But I’m sure some learned person will be able to clarify that.

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  157. Johnboy (16,716 comments) says:

    I am and have always been very innocent! :)

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  158. Warren Murray (311 comments) says:

    There’s no smoke without fire and the accumulation of allegations was getting too great to ignore. IMO Collins appeared to be playing fast and loose with due process to the extent she was either incredibly careless or completely brazen to the point of arrogance. Listening to her self justification about giving Simon Pleasant’s details to Slater was the last straw for me, she actually admitted it and knowing what she was doing and who she was giving it to, it was clearly an act of malice. If she had any grounds for concern, the State Services Commission would have been the place to refer the matter to.

    The Oriveda issue seemed like a storm in a tea cup, but it appears she wasnt completely open with the PM. She should have been let go then.

    The latest allegations while yet to be proven or disproven highlight how perceptions matter in politics.

    Thanks for your comments David Garrett, I found them interesting.

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  159. Nostradamus (3,348 comments) says:

    My opinion remains unchanged:

    Nostradamus (3,113 comments) says:
    August 16th, 2014 at 6:31 pm

    – We have an election in – what – 35 days [now 22 days]. We live in a democracy, so the voters will have their say.

    – Judith Collins is 5th on the party list.

    – If National gets more than five MPs, which will definitely be the case, then National-supporting voters can be taken to have endorsed Collins.

    – If Collins wins her electorate seat (Papakura), then electorate voters can be taken to have endorsed her (which they did by an overwhelming margin at the last election).

    The only unresolved question is whether she could be reinstated to a ministerial portfolio immediately after the election. Possibly not, but hey, how many other ministers (on both sides of the parliamentary fence) have served their political sentence as a backbencher, and then reinstated at a later date?

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  160. flipper (4,084 comments) says:

    The National Party “Tom Toms” are welcoming the resignation, and praising J Key.

    Eventually the “anonymous” source (of the email) will be outed. I recommend a read of the email as published.
    Even if true (?), it contains no bombshell …. or to use the Clark/Simpson/Fat Tony Williams precedent, a H-fee bomb.

    In the meantime we will have a few more days of media promoted hagerisms – and the abusive , nay sickening vitriol of the recently arrived trolls at KB.

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  161. Chuck Bird (4,897 comments) says:

    “Oh and people aren’t claiming she’s the best justice minister ever and crying.”

    And who has been a better one – Simon Power?

    I hate to think what it would be like is Andrew Little was Minister of Justice and the burden of proof was on men to proof consent was given and what other loopy ideas the left dream up.

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  162. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ David Garrett (6,730 comments) says:
    August 30th, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    When did I say I was going to list some examples of corruption?

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  163. Lindsay Addie (1,532 comments) says:

    I don’t have a lot of sympathy for the situation Collins is now in. She has made the fatal mistake of letting herself be put in a position on more than one occasion where her enemies could use her perceived poor judgement and in particular friendships with others against her. No astute public figure is going to keep making the same mistake over and over.

    Knowing Cameron Slater as well as she did should have alerted her to the potential dangers that she could end up in as a minister. As for her claiming she’s some kind of victim that is balderdash. Also Key has made a bad mistake in not getting her out of cabinet a couple of weeks ago when he had the chance.

    I cannot see how National cannot be hurt in the polls by this now. I’ll be happy to eat my words if I’m wrong but I don’t think I am.

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  164. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “jack: Why would Key resign five days BEFORE the election? You’re a very astute student of politics mate…”

    I’m picking Key will be boarding the cabbage boat to Hawaii on the 16th of September.

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  165. violentrage (37 comments) says:

    tom hunter “By having the Labour Party defend [Taito PF], from the highest in the form of Helen Clark and Michael Cullen to the lowest, it became very much a systemic party campaign to influence the political process.”

    I am partisan, it’s true. But even accepting [which I don't] that Clark et al. “defended” Field, the fact is that Field was not undermining the democratic process. He was a criminal fleecing the taxpayer, and the Thai immigrants, to make a dollar. Yes, he abused his position in so doing. But Collins’ corruption is far worse, IMO, as she used her office to sabotage innocent civil servants, and to subvert the process of government. She is lucky she isn’t living in Classical Rome.

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  166. Johnboy (16,716 comments) says:

    When Little gets to be Minister of Justice I have a great business plan to get underway. It’s going to be called “Dickcam”.

    The equipment is at the ready just need some financial backing.

    Are you in Chuck? :)

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  167. Viking2 (11,491 comments) says:

    jackinabox (764 comments) says:
    August 30th, 2014 at 2:41 pm

    “jack: Why would Key resign five days BEFORE the election? You’re a very astute student of politics mate…”

    I’m picking Key will be boarding the cabbage boat to Hawaii on the 16th of September.
    ================================================
    Nah nah, taxpayer paid first class.

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  168. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    If the worst comes to the worst, this is the election to lose.

    The Chinese economy is headed for a debt crisis, export prices for dairy and logs are diving and the kiwi dollar will inevitably follow. That will push up prices (and if the Greens are in Government they will hike duty on petrol even more). NZ could be in for an Irish Republic-type crash.

    If there’s a Labour-Greens coalition its housing policy will be a spectacular and giant flop not least because of diving Government income. Voters will be grumpy and feel betrayed, and will lose remaining faith in the MSM as the media seek survival subsidies. If an ageing Yul Grinner takes his NZ First into Parliament, he will need an even deeper inter-election nap. Hopefully, National will have summoned up a nerd army to smash the criminals who feed Hager the Horrible. Perhaps HH might be trapped in the Ecuadorian embassy in London, or in the Mongolian consulate in LLasa.

    Rightists in Opposition and bloggers will then massacre the Green-Labour Government so thoroughly that a new leftist party will be needed in its place.

    Won’t we have fun.

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  169. Kimble (4,440 comments) says:

    HAHA! Fucking take that Dotcom/Hager!

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  170. flipper (4,084 comments) says:

    Judith (8,394 comments) says:

    August 30th, 2014 at 2:35 pm

    *****

    J ….

    Disappointed by your amateurish politics, and a lack of real political nouse, but nicely put! :-)
    F

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  171. Nostradamus (3,348 comments) says:

    violentrage:

    I am partisan, it’s true. But even accepting [which I don't] that Clark et al. “defended” Field, the fact is that Field was not undermining the democratic process.

    Two questions:

    1. Read this and then tell me if your view (Clark et al didn’t defend Field) remains unchanged.

    2. Please explain how (in your mind) Collins has “undermin[ed] the democratic process”.

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  172. MH (762 comments) says:

    asked whether she could return to cabinet as Justice Minister or in some other form or put on ice even after the enquiry post election, PM Key was tight lipped but almost inaudibly he seemed to seen as mouthing ‘just ice indeed’.

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  173. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “If the worst comes to the worst, this is the election to lose.”

    Despair setting in Jack?

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  174. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Warren Murray posted at 2.37:

    There’s no smoke without fire …

    That’s not correct, and not logical Warren. Otherwise if ten thousand idiots asserted the earth is flat, we would have to have a commission of inquiry to check.

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  175. Chuck Bird (4,897 comments) says:

    It will be a sad day for New Zealand if we get another really corrupt Labour, Greens, Dotcon government due to illegal hacking and possibly burglaries.

    If John Key survives this and I hope and think he will he will have to get the message to all his MPs and particularly Ministers that they are on duty 24/7.

    They should never put anything in an email that could embarrass the government.

    They are judged by the company they keep.

    He should also instruct then not to have anything to do with Slater of someone of his ilk.

    It is Slater’s nastiness that has played a major role in this problem but do not expect him to accept any responsibility.

    If his email was not hacked this would not have happened. However, if he was not such and nasty aggressive bully his email may not have been hacked and if it was it would not have done the damage it has.

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  176. cha (4,036 comments) says:

    What to make of this.

    “National party supporters will be absolutely thrilled that John Key looks fully priminsterial again for the first time since August 15,” Mr Hooton said this afternoon.

    “But unfortunately it seems Mr Key only knows the tip of the iceberg about what has been going on under his nose.”

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/speculation-collins-will-be-sacked-1230pm-ck-161688

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  177. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Jack5 (4,829 comments) says:
    August 30th, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    I do not think National will lose the election. Most people in the community are not political nutters – they don’t frequent the blogs, and many don’t even watch the news.

    I would not be the least bit surprised that many of them, hearing that Collins has gone will think the problem (what little they know of it) has now been resolved – the ‘dirty politics’ Queen has left the hive, (as such) and they will happily give their support to whoever they were initially going to give it to.

    Having said that, I do think National will suffer some set backs, and there will be a need for a coalition with people that are far from ideal.

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  178. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Chuck Bird posted at 2.54 of Slater the Whale:

    his email may not have been hacked and if it was it would not have done the damage it has.

    Chuck, that seems to me to be like blaming a girl for being raped on the ground she was wearing a mini-skirt, or for blaming the owner of a burgled house for not having a Rottweiler and a dog-warning sign on the gate.

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  179. ManfaceJudy (1 comment) says:

    Fantastic another scalp and a goodie at that. Only proves more to the public how corrupt this regime of Keys is with ministers consulting with their right wing blogging mates on how their aiming for government heads to roll. Whaleblubber did really well helping to bring down his idol and hopes for a future leader NOT lol Not now righties not now.

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  180. Johnboy (16,716 comments) says:

    Dickcam is like a miniaturised, soft touch version of the dashcams so popular in Russia.

    My Russian suppliers laughed when I gave them the dimensions for the New Zealand market.

    They said they would try to make them that big if they could! :)

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  181. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    Jack: Ever heard the one about what one should do when in holes?

    Had you said “I got the date wrong” you would have attracted some grudging respect…now you just look like an even bigger fool…

    Violent: Then you cant have seen the footage of the Labour caucus applauding Field when the results of the “Inquiry” by Helen’s handpicked QC (cant recall his name just now) was released…some clever chap will post a link to it…

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  182. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Jackinabox posted at 2.52 of my post that the loser of the election might be the lucky party if the economy collapses.

    Despair setting in Jack?

    No, Jackinabox. More like the rationality of a strategic retreat, like the Russians enticing in Napoleon and stretching his supply lines, before turning the Cossacks loose as winter snow arrived.

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  183. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    I wonder if Winston is the hacker or is it a simple coincidence that this new email appears just after his seemingly failed attempt to drive wedge between Key and Collins?

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  184. Johnboy (16,716 comments) says:

    The only hacking thing about Winston is his smokers cough jackinabox! :)

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  185. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Jackinabox at 3.01:

    I wonder if Winston is the hacker…

    The only thing Yul Grinner hacks is the bull crap and fairy dust he tooth-picks from between those spectacular teeth.

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  186. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    Winston is a hack, not a hacker.

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  187. violentrage (37 comments) says:

    Nostradamus:

    your link was 2 a couple of blog posts so not a lot of flesh on that bone. Yes, Clark et al. held on to TPF and in that sense “defended” him. But TPF was not directly interfering in the democratic process in the way Collins has, and in the way Key has by refusing to recognise the seriousness of Collins’ behaviour. I’ll go further and say that Key and Collins’ actions are unconstitutional because they have covertly manipulated public opinion, maligned civil servants therefore potentially politicising the civil service, and they have colluded with a political saboteur (Slater) who takes it upon himself to destroy the personal reputations of anyone he does not agree with for example Brent Robinson and Cehill Peinaar (http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/tag/brent-robinson/).

    In any case, there is little merit in discussing the case of Clark and TFF. The issue is Collins’ manifest corruption and Key’s complicity in it.

    I repeat that Collins if re-elected will resign from parliament. She will not meekly serve out 3 years on the back benches.

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  188. Johnboy (16,716 comments) says:

    There seems to be an awful lot of new folks here suddenly! I wonder why! :)

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  189. Lindsay Addie (1,532 comments) says:

    Johnboy,

    Perhaps things have gone from full to overflowing over at the Standard?!! ;)

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  190. Nostradamus (3,348 comments) says:

    violentrage:

    Yes, Clark et al. held on to TPF and in that sense “defended” him.

    Excellent – and claimed he was only guilty of helping his constituents. Glad we cleared that up.

    I repeat that Collins if re-elected will resign from parliament. She will not meekly serve out 3 years on the back benches.

    I’d be interested in your reasoning behind this statement, but it doesn’t respond to my earlier point:

    The only unresolved question is whether she could be reinstated to a ministerial portfolio immediately after the election. Possibly not, but hey, how many other ministers (on both sides of the parliamentary fence) have served their political sentence as a backbencher, and then reinstated at a later date?

    Why do you say Collins would have to serve a political sentence on the backbench for three years?

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  191. Warren Murray (311 comments) says:

    Lame comparison jack. Collins admits giving info to Slater. We are yet to find out how much and whether she has breached anyone’s privacy. For reasons only she knows, but won’t admit to, she thought a public servant was fair game for Whale fodder. Very unwise indeed.

    If she had issues with the head of the SFO, and it is proven liked to share her frustrations with the Whale, she may have had loose lips syndrome, said something ‘unwise’ to someone, who passed it on.

    Then there’s the allegations concerning the ACC, Orevida, Police manipulating stats. That’s quite a long list.

    I hope, however, this is a circuit breaker.

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  192. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    David Garrett the brightest crim here on Kiwiblog collins fanbase cheerleader,nice house david is the white car the police checking up on you up that loooong driveway

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  193. Nostradamus (3,348 comments) says:

    It’s ok Lurcher – the men in white coats will be here soon!

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  194. Johnboy (16,716 comments) says:

    Plenty of 00 have you David? :)

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  195. violentrage (37 comments) says:

    Nostra: “Why do you say Collins would have to serve a political sentence on the backbench for three years?”

    I’m saying Collins would not tolerate this. I doubt if Key could appoint her to a ministerial role. She is too much of a liability. If Key is re-elected (much less likely today than it was yesterday) she will be an albatross around his neck. She knows that and will resign. My prediction.

    Regarding TPF, that issue is not relevant to the question of Collins’ corruption.

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  196. Farmerpete (49 comments) says:

    As a National voter in this election, I am mightily relieved Judith Collins has resigned. I have no idea at all what she has or hasn’t done, but what is clear is that she was the factor that could lose the election for National, and then the country would have been saddled with a bunch of crazies at the helm. And this could still happen, in no small part due to the murk surrounding Judith Collins.
    Hopefully, this will suck the oxygen out of the whole ‘dirty politics’ issue, but don’t hold your breath!

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  197. goldnkiwi (1,327 comments) says:

    lurcher1948 (119 comments) says:

    August 30th, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    Bain ffs not Bains.

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  198. goldnkiwi (1,327 comments) says:

    Warren Murray (291 comments) says:

    August 30th, 2014 at 3:24 pm

    Seemed to me that Whale was providing Judith Collins with information pertinent to her Ministry. Full names only, I would hate to get my ‘Judiths’ mixed up. ;)

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  199. Nostradamus (3,348 comments) says:

    violentrage:

    I still don’t understand why you think Collins would be in a different position (compared to other ministers in Labour and National governments who resigned, served out a term on the backbench, and were then reinstated at a politically-expedient time).

    Regarding TPF, that issue is not relevant to the question of Collins’ corruption.

    Well, actually, I interpreted your earlier comment as comparing Field and Collins (in response to Tom Hunter’s comment):

    I am partisan, it’s true. But even accepting [which I don't] that Clark et al. “defended” Field, the fact is that Field was not undermining the democratic process. He was a criminal fleecing the taxpayer, and the Thai immigrants, to make a dollar. Yes, he abused his position in so doing. But Collins’ corruption is far worse, IMO, as she used her office to sabotage innocent civil servants, and to subvert the process of government. She is lucky she isn’t living in Classical Rome.

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  200. Steve (North Shore) (4,565 comments) says:

    Finally after all of the shit slinging some of it has hit the fan and landed on Judith Collins. Remember one thing you nasty lefties:
    National give back double. Who is going to get hammered?

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  201. Johnboy (16,716 comments) says:

    Hipkins has led a charmed life so far Steve(NS)! :)

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  202. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “National give back double. Who is going to get hammered?” LOL

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  203. Black with a Vengeance (1,865 comments) says:

    Black: You have just proved my point…if you think “every single one” of your so called friends would meet that test you are stupid as well as a cowardly jackal…

    Proved what point? That for a guy with a self proclaimed iq of a hundy plus, you’re still a dumbass!

    Haha…You dont know jack shit about my friends, fool.

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  204. OneTrack (3,120 comments) says:

    Urban – “The last 6 months has a real Lord of the Flies feel to it “kill the pig, kill the pig”. The rabid left scares me.”

    Yes, very much so.

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  205. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Re lurcher1948’s 3.25 post.

    That is an extremely nasty, malicious, almost threatening statement, lurcher.

    I note in an earlier post that you raised the Bain issue.

    If you Bainiacs are all campaigning for Green-Labour, voters should know.

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  206. OneTrack (3,120 comments) says:

    “There seems to be an awful lot of new folks here suddenly! I wonder why! ”

    The War Room has ordered the troops out. They will be gone on September 21.

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  207. Johnboy (16,716 comments) says:

    Cunners is bloody desperate for backup OneTrack.

    He blew his whole load on the first debate! :)

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  208. Fisiani (1,040 comments) says:

    Collins resigning was like lancing a boil. It was starting to irritate and now it is more comfortable. The pus will be picked at for a few days by the demented Left but National will now be even stronger. There will be more dirty tricks played. Winston will invent more shit. The media will believe whatever crap they are told by the German fugitive from justice. More swastikas will be drawn on National hoardings. It will get dirtier and dirtier. We will prevail.

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  209. Johnboy (16,716 comments) says:

    If Judith needs someone to lick her pus I’m not doing much for the next three weeks! :)

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  210. kiwi in america (2,456 comments) says:

    Whether we like it or not the reality is that Judith Collins became a lightening rod for opposition politicians and their media allies. When you get the nickname Crusher you are bound to make enemies and break some eggs along the way. Up until now Key could ride out the Collins related media frenzies as Wellington beltway curiosities knowing that middle NZ saw it as a storm in a tea cup. National suffered only minor and short lived poll dips thus undergirding Key’s hands off approach.

    The Hager emails changed all that. It took the media a few days to drill down to the relatively few emails that had the potential to do lasting damaging and, much to their delight, Judith Collins was at the heart of what they chose to highlight. Key’s failure to act against Collins was heaped upon his role in the Goff SIS OIA request and the actions of one of his staffers (Ede) and dragged Key a little too close to vortex. Key rightly read public opinion as rapidly tiring of the sordidness of the revelations and the incessant media drum beat but he knew that his support for Collins was on a knife edge. His ‘final final warning’ statement was in fact the truth. Notwithstanding the manifest illegality of the Whaleoil hack and the blatant and systemic media bias in how Hager’s selective publications has been handled, Collins had become a lightening rod and the Feely email gave Key a very plausible reason to lance a boil that he had been struggling to contain. Key’s personal admiration for Collins’ talents and achievements finally had to give way to political reality of a brutal and dirty campaign.

    Even John Armstrong gets that this lifts ballast off National’s campaign and lets Key finally go on the front foot. As for the first debate, I think Key assumed he’d get more of a tail wind from Hoskings than he got. Hoskings failure to reign in Cunliffe’s incessant interrupting did rattle Key a little. Key knows that Campbell will make life more difficult for him so he will come better prepared next time. Incumbent Presidents here in the US always seem to ‘lose’ their first debate (Reagan in ’84, Bush in ’04 and Obama in ’12) but righted the ship by the next debate and all three went on to win.

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  211. IC5000 (114 comments) says:

    1-Nil to Hager.

    Nothing like an own goal. Wonder what fatboy’s next move will be?

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  212. cha (4,036 comments) says:

    Wonder what fatboy’s next move will be?

    He really should STFU.

    http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/cameron-slater-says-he-talking-up-big-game-in-email-video-6067790

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  213. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    IC-5000 – another of the Leftist slow-learners class on one-day bus trip to Kiwiblog from the Standard.

    Herman the German or the Greens’ pot fund paying for the bus, IC-5000?

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  214. Grant Michael McKenna (1,160 comments) says:

    Does anyone know when Carl Worker’s time as NZ Ambassador in Beijing will end? I have a suggestion about a replacement…

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  215. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    Collins should of resigned a long time ago. She has been a liability for National for quite some time.
    I’ve never understand people who were thinking she would be the next National leader – she has too much of a nasty streak.

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  216. deadrightkev (472 comments) says:

    “Nothing like an own goal. Wonder what fatboy’s next move will be?”

    Wasn’t it he that says explaining is losing?

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  217. IC5000 (114 comments) says:

    “Jack5 (4,838 comments) says:
    August 30th, 2014 at 5:33 pm
    IC-5000 – another of the Leftist slow-learners class on one-day bus trip to Kiwiblog from the Standard.

    Herman the German or the Greens’ pot fund paying for the bus, IC-5000?”

    I wish I was the recipient of said monies. Can’t be much worse than taking hard cash from tobacco companies like fatboy has.

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  218. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    And there is absolutely zero chance of returning as a Minister – those that think she will are dreaming. She is too toxic now.

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  219. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    Collins: ” I am restrained in clearing my name while I am still a Minister inside Cabinet and I believe the right thing to do is to resign as a Minister so I am able to clear my name.”

    So we are paying her now so she can spend time clearing her name.

    Righto then.

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  220. Black with a Vengeance (1,865 comments) says:

    kiwi in america (2,473 comments) says:
    Whether we like it or not the reality is BLAH BLAH BLAH…

    Tell us something we don’t know Einstein!!!

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  221. tvb (4,432 comments) says:

    The rowing 8 ad is looking a bit shaky now. I wonder if National will continue to run it.

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  222. Johnboy (16,716 comments) says:

    Whip a Merc 8 on the back and power ahead! :)

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  223. anticorruptionnz (215 comments) says:

    the rowing add is quite accurate next installment they are moving down stream fast, ready to go over the water fall.

    But the boat with the alleged plodders will stay a float .

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  224. SPC (5,643 comments) says:

    Throwing a political corpse overboard should help the boat go faster.

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  225. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    What Fatboy fails to recognise is that he is becoming increasingly irrelevant and a toxic brand, and geesus is that boy ugly, his whole face need lancing.

    But in saying that I suggest Key keeps him on, he really is an asset to National eh?

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  226. ross411 (842 comments) says:

    After repeated attempts to portray Judith Collins as having done something wrong, it gets to the point where all the muckraking and dirty politics from the Labour Party and Nicky Hager, along with Winston (who is one of our most corrupt politicians having shilled his partner’s medical products in parliament), have ruined it for us all.

    Collins has achieved so much, and I guess threatens Labour and Greens, as she didn’t have to be given a position she didn’t earn, as the female politicians on their lists got given via the man ban.

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  227. Steve (North Shore) (4,565 comments) says:

    Confusion in the leftie camp, referring to Cam Slater as fat, and Fat Boy Crim
    Typical retards that ‘milk’ it

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  228. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    I fail to understand how the left can be held responsible for today’s events.

    John Key stated very clearly that the email was not a hacked one, and that he knew who the person was that sent it.

    If it had come from a person on the left, he would have clearly stated that it was ‘a left wing activist’, like he has so many times before.

    So now we have the right wing attacking itself – I suspect for a better result in the long run – but it sort of makes Dirty Politics defunct – replaced by something much more fascinating!

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  229. goldnkiwi (1,327 comments) says:

    Watch Judith roar, I am sure Papakura will do her proud too on 20 Sept.

    Had to laugh at Winston reading much into everything but especially commenting on people’s reinstatement when proven innocent. I guess we should ask previous members of his caucus about that eh Mr Horan.

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  230. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    The left can only be held responsible for exposing the corrupt practices of this government. The “rightys” have done an outstanding job of fucking themselves good and proper.

    Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory comes to mind.

    Disclaimer; This was typed with a shit eating grin on my face.

    Popcorn anyone?

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  231. Sublime (295 comments) says:

    “So I was telling the truth after all”

    ^^ What Winnie’s just said on Facebook.

    The strangest things can happen! :D

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  232. redeye (629 comments) says:

    Is there any chance this is Dotcom’s smoking gun and the Nats got hold of it early?

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  233. violentrage (37 comments) says:

    OneTrack: “They will be gone on September 21.”

    maybe. I wonder who else will be gone on Sept 21?

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  234. violentrage (37 comments) says:

    bc: And there is absolutely zero chance of returning as a Minister – those that think she will are dreaming. She is too toxic now.

    yes, absolutely. Collins was seen today at the WINZ office

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  235. Sublime (295 comments) says:

    Is there any chance this is Dotcom’s smoking gun and the Nats got hold of it early?

    Jungle drums are beating. It’s whispered the smoking gun, or at least part of it, is a constituent letter to Mr Dotcom from his local MP who obviously, clearly knew about him before the raid! The powder’s well and truly soaked now. Although KDC is video linking in Assange and that US journo to aid the sizzle.

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  236. cha (4,036 comments) says:

    Is there any chance this is Dotcom’s smoking gun and the Nats got hold of it early?

    If it is it’s got a Damascus barrel.

    Patrick Gower ‏@patrickgowernz

    Was Mark Hotchin involved in the campaign to get rid of Adam Feeley? If so, huge questions about state of NZ politics.

    https://twitter.com/patrickgowernz/status/505613382045552640

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  237. violentrage (37 comments) says:

    lurcher1948 (121 comments) says: (August 30th, 2014 at 3:25 pm). why do you feel the need to comment on individuals’ places of residence?

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  238. KevinH (1,229 comments) says:

    The email in question which led to Judith Collin’s demise is from Cam Slater and appears to be one of the hacked emails from Cam Slater’s Gmail account. There have been media reports that it was leaked by Cactus Kate who is conspicuously silent, Cam has denied it was her on ZB news report. No doubt there is more to come as Whaledump drip feeds out Cam’s emails over the coming weeks.

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  239. goldnkiwi (1,327 comments) says:

    Thanks Judith Collins – go you good thing. Good luck in Papakura, I am sure you will not need it.

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  240. Tinshed (170 comments) says:

    Again, well late to the debate. Begin with the end in mind: the aim is the have a centre-right coalition, lead by National, form the government after 20 September. That is all that really matters. Anything else is a distraction. Judith Collins has been been subject to a vicious campaign (but no worse than Shearer was) and her resignation has an air of inevitability about it. I have sympathy with her: she has been an excellent Minister and National Party stalwart. I like and respect her. But she has, through her actions, made herself a pretty clear target. In the end, she is a casualty, regretted yes, but worth it if the result is a National lead coalition. It is never, ever, about one individual.

    The Left are woozy tonight in their celebrations of a scalp well claimed – just as we were when Shearer went, and we will be when Cunliffe goes mired in the open secret of his lack of true fidelity and a disastrous election result.

    The media are also a big loser in all of this. Their complicity, hypocrisy and lack of ethics has been exposed for all to see. Newspaper readership will continue to decline. And if anyone thinks that Patrick Gower is a “journalist” given his reporting on the Collins’ resignation when he was in almost orgasmic ecstasy of self-abuse and hyperbole over her downfall, well, then, sadly I won’t be surprised. TV3 can make stuff up with such a blatant disregard for facts that it is almost impossible to comprehend. My late departed Father was a newspaper man through and through and he often quoted, “Comment is free, but facts are sacred”. Sadly that no longer applies. News is all comment these days.

    It staggers me beyond belief that we have a convicted fraudster pulling the strings here with the complicit silence of the media – i.e. “journalists” like Patrick Gower. That is the real story of Election 2014, not Judith Collins. But, all credit to the Left, they got their woman and they deserve their moment in the sun. Have another chardonnay, Lprent.

    Cameron Slater does not emerge well from this. I am a regular and supportive reader of him (i.e. I donated my hard-earned money to Whaleoil). His mistake is to make this too much about him. Such a male ego. It is actually not about him, anymore than it is about Collins. The only thing that matters is a National lead centre-right government after 20 September. Because that is the best defense of our liberties. John Key gets this and full credit to him.

    Utu. Revenge is a dish best served cold. We won’t forget this, and payment will be due at the appropriate time. Trust us on this.

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  241. violentrage (37 comments) says:

    Tinshed, are you actually CS?: “We won’t forget this, and payment will be due at the appropriate time.”

    when will you right wingers realise that you don’t have a god given right to power?

    “[...] ….a centre-right coalition, lead by National, form the government after 20 September. That is all that really matters.” wrong, but it illustrates nicely the hubris of Key’s supporters. something that matters more than having a National-led coalition is that there is integrity in the political process. Collins has subverted that and Key has acquiesced (and continues to). THAT is what matters.

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  242. Mark Craig (31 comments) says:

    Erm the Northland branch of the Labour Party had a whip around and raised $13 .75 so Cam could buy some more meds .If we could be supplied with a bank account number (which we promise not to hack) ,he could keep up his good work at the Nazional Parties leak tank .Cheers

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  243. Tinshed (170 comments) says:

    violentrage I see you are no student of history. Those with power usually get their way, Sad, but true. Hubris don’t enter into it.

    And please, don’t ever, ever claim that integrity in politics matters. If you were a student of history you would know that the Left in particular, always, always, eats its own. Read the histories of the Labour parties of Great Britain and of New Zealand. Please drop the sanctimony, and leave politics to grown-ups. That is the nature of the world. Integrity does not matter. Sad, I know, but true.

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  244. Lindsay Addie (1,532 comments) says:

    Barry Soper has tweeted this two hours ago:

    “Whaleoil Slater laying a complaint with the privacy commissioner against JK for releasing his email used to execute Collins!”

    Not sure if Soper is serious or just playing silly buggers??

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  245. cha (4,036 comments) says:

    Too funny.

    Updated 8:12pm: Cameron Slater is laying a complaint with the Privacy Commissioner over John Key releasing an email which led to the resignation of Judith Collins.

    An anonymous email was handed to the Prime Minister’s chief of staff last night alleging Ms Collins had undermined the former head of the Serious Fraud Office Adam Feeley, an office she was in charge of.

    John Key’s not saying where the email came from – but it was written by Slater.

    The Whale Oil blogger says the Prime Minister has released his private communication.

    “That he A. Had no right to have and B. Didn’t seek permission to release it from me. Those are my communications and like Nicky Hager he has breached my privacy.”

    Mr Slater says if the rules apply to Nicky Hager, they should also apply to the Prime Minister.

    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/945653885-judith-collins-to-resign-

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  246. Lindsay Addie (1,532 comments) says:

    Thanks cha,

    I assume this election campaign will be a good miniseries one day!!? :)

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  247. Black with a Vengeance (1,865 comments) says:

    When a useful idiot outlives their usefulness they become…

    …guess we’ll just have to see how slater plays out his last hand.

    Jeez that dude’s an idiot.

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  248. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    Now they are shooting themselves in both feet, with semi automatics.

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  249. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    It’s like Russian Roulette, with a fully loaded gun.

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  250. violentrage (37 comments) says:

    tinshed

    do you have a mortgage on ‘integrity and politics’? I hate to contradict, but integrity in politics matters. Ask Judith Collins.

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  251. Black with a Vengeance (1,865 comments) says:

    I’m not saying vote positive, but all this right wing negativity and dirty politics is really turning me off John Key eh!

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  252. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    “I’m not saying vote positive, but all this right wing negativity and dirty politics is really turning me off John Key eh!”

    I knew he was a charlatan the moment I first laid eyes on him. Never trusted him and it looks like my instinct, as usual, was spot on.

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  253. Lindsay Addie (1,532 comments) says:

    Milk Me,

    I’ve followed since I was kid in short pants and all politicians are charlatans at one time or another.

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  254. Gravelroad (155 comments) says:

    Let us have real consequences for all illegal actions. Those responsible must be held responsible whether ministers of the crown wayward mayors or simply thieves of people’s private property.(emails included) and reputations
    In this country it appears there are no consequences no matter how vile the action.

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  255. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    Should Judith Collins resign as an MP?
    6600–6650 votes

    Yes 78%

    No 19%

    I’m not sure 3%
    _____________
    From the Herald.

    No margin or error can fix that.

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  256. Tinshed (170 comments) says:

    violentrage

    do you have a mortgage on ‘integrity and politics’?

    With the greatest of respect, this is not about me, or you. I have no mortgage on anything, and claim none. My vote counts as much as yours. The point I am trying to make is that this, the battle for power, is not about individuals. It is about, well, exactly that, a battle. And the powerful will always win. I don’t want to come across to you as a “rich prick”, even though I may well be precisely that, but what I want to say is that there is a larger picture at play here and it has to do with the nature of power. Lenin famously wrote a pamphlet entitled “Who Whom”. In short, who does what to whom, who dominates whom. Nasty and terrifying I know, and deeply unattractive. The rights and wrongs of Judith Collins’s resignation are, in my view, of secondary importance to the outcome of this election. I want a continuation of the status quo. The thought of any sort of government/coalition involving the Internet Party/Mana is anathema me. If that means Judith Collins should resign, so be it.

    I guess I subscribe to the realpolitik school of thought.

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  257. Black with a Vengeance (1,865 comments) says:

    I would guess you subscribe more to the babyboomer school of political thought Tinshed. Its in your best interest to maintain the status quo, but whats in it for the youngers after you pulled the ladder up?

    That’s why its anathema to you, because Internet/mana, greens and, I imagine, a young faction of labour represent a future you can no longer control or are capable of changing positively.

    sure you might want change, I get that, just not in your lifetime.

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  258. IC5000 (114 comments) says:

    “Milk Me (72 comments) says:
    August 30th, 2014 at 11:22 pm
    Should Judith Collins resign as an MP?
    6600–6650 votes”

    Looks like crushed Collins was toast either way. Key should have acted earlier against this liability.

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  259. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    It’s all coming out niow.

    The real reason behind Judith Collins’ demise
    Justice Minister Judith Collins’ resignation was sparked by a Sunday Star-Times investigation into a smear campaign by bloggers apparently backed by controversial financier Mark Hotchin.

    The newspaper was passed hacked emails that appear to show Hotchin secretly paid bloggers Cameron Slater and Cathy Odgers to write attack posts undermining the Serious Fraud Office, its director Adam Feeley, and the Financial Markets Authority, who were probing his collapsed Hanover Finance in 2011 and 2012.

    And…

    All the financier’s men
    Threatened by litigation, his business in tatters, former Hanover Finance boss Mark Hotchin appeared to back a public relations campaign aiming to discredit criminal investigations into his company and attack personal enemies, documents suggest.

    The picture is painted by a cache of emails and documents hacked from Whaleoil blogger Cameron Slater and released to Fairfax Media.

    That’s a major investigation by Matt Nippert. More in the print version of Sunday Star Times.

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  260. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Pete George (23,300 comments) says:
    August 31st, 2014 at 7:07 am

    Yes, I see it is claimed the email was sent to the PM by Catus Kate, and that Slater has made a complaint to the privacy commissioner against the PM, because it was his private email – however, I think that is a fake attempt to demonstrate a split between the two – to appease the voting public. Slater sent his ‘private information’ to other people, therefore it was no longer private, and as the email belonged to Catus Kate, it was hers to do whatever she wanted with it IMO.

    I suspect we will hear more

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  261. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    We’ll hear a lot more – Nippert’s investigation reveals a lot more but it won’t be the end of it by a long shot.

    Slater lived by the political sword and was close to his “mate” Collins. Both will die by that sword. Their political credibility is slashed to pieces.

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  262. violentrage (37 comments) says:

    Tinshed….yes politics is about power, but I think Collins’ resignation demonstrates that integrity matters. of course power can at times trump integrity; that happens all the time.

    National Radio currently playing “It’s all over now, baby blue”.

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