Flavell on Maori Party wins

August 20th, 2014 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

co-leader Te Ururoa Flavell says that Labour ruling out the Internet-Mana Party from ministerial posts shows the importance of the sitting with the Government of the day.

Some parties talk about changing things; the Maori Party actually changes things, he says.

“All the philosophies are fine,” says Mr Flavell. “What we have attempted to do is make it happen.”

Mr Flavell speaks in today’s Herald Hot Seat video, the latest in a series of interviews with party leaders.

He said Mana-Internet leader Hone Harawira, a former colleague, “hasn’t got a mortgage on looking after the poor people”.

“He talked about feeding the children … well we’ve done it. Our kaupapa we put in front of the National Party was the Kickstart programme, which is in fact dealing with over 25,000 children in more than 700 schools.”

The ministerial poverty committee led by Finance Minister Bill English had been a Maori Party initiative and had resulted in extending free access to doctors from under-6s to under-13-year-olds. It extended paid parental leave and parental tax credits and led to further moves to insulate homes and address rheumatic fever.

I don’t agree with their world-view and many of their policies, but the Maori Party is a good example of a party that actually achieves things in a constructive manner.

35 Responses to “Flavell on Maori Party wins”

  1. Lance (3,822 comments) says:

    I have been impressed with what the Maori party have achieved. For a minor party the results are quite significant.

    Alas because they haven’t been overtly and offensively racist, cursed and swore frequently and generally pissed on the tax payers they are accused of doing nothing by people who actually do nothing.

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  2. Zebulon (188 comments) says:

    I am not Maori and don’t share most of their views but I like how the Maori Party stand up to society’s parasites (gambling, loan sharks, liquor) and I thought Tariana Turia was a woman of great integrity and dignity.

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  3. RRM (12,571 comments) says:

    Results, not gobshites.

    Not the party a lot of the Maori ™ say they want, but a party real Maori need. Good for them.

    They have moved race relations discussion to a slightly better, more respectful and more constructive place than it would be without their involvement, long may it continue in that direction.

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  4. Concerned (82 comments) says:

    The Herald’s Hot Seat interviews are some of the most illuminating political material available at the moment. All so far are well worth a look. Recommend watching them in full.

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  5. Pete George (24,828 comments) says:

    Link to the latest hot seat with links to all the others so far:

    Flavell’s: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11310660

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  6. Redbaiter (11,656 comments) says:

    Sorry, but I can never ever support or vote for any party that identifies itself by race.

    The Maori Party has split NZ culturally and socially as it has never been split before.

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  7. Tarquin North (1,057 comments) says:

    The Whanau Ora roll out is an example of what can be achieved by a small party. However, you have to be sitting in the tent to make things happen. The only problem with that is the likes of Winnie and Hone can make ridiculous promises safe in the knowledge that they will never have to deliver. They then tell everyone the Maori party is week and not doing enough, the classic problem of being the encumbent. I’m not a Maori and I believe this policy is too expensive and basically a bribe from National. Even so, I still congratulate the Maori Party on what they have achieved and hope to see them back in parliament. They are an assett. I just want this election out of the way so we can all move forward and kick the naysayers in to touch where they belong.

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  8. timmydevo (75 comments) says:

    Really? Than never before? That’s a rather large call considering everything post-colonisation, then saying a minor party of only a handful of representatives have split NZ than never before.

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  9. flash2846 (320 comments) says:

    John Key invited the Maori party in after the 2008 election when he didn’t have to. They have shown no gratitude or loyalty. Though they are the best Maori have to offer they are still totally self serving.

    I have said it before, Maori are over-represented hugely in New Zealand politics. They are there for themselves and a few selected Maori only. We all pay them while they do all they can to take even more of our money for their self serving interests.

    If its good enough for Maori to have race based political parties and policies it should be good enough for every other defined racial group to do the same. Funds should then be available based on each groups percentage of population who pay tax.

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  10. smttc (826 comments) says:

    Hear hear flash. Confidence and supply aside, the Maori Party almost never votes with the National Party. Time they got voted out.

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  11. Nigel Kearney (1,988 comments) says:

    Really? Than never before? That’s a rather large call …

    It’s different now. Racism was worse in the past, but we were always going down the path of reducing it. Now we have changed direction, locked racism in, and made it very risky for any public figure to disagree. The Maori party is a big part of that. In a right thinking society they would be regarded the same as the National Front.

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  12. wiseowl (2,280 comments) says:

    There should not be a race based party and it is a shame National bent over for the Maori Party and created more division than ever.
    Flavell would be one of the worst MP’s ever.

    If they have any representation at all after the election it will be tail wagging the dog again.

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  13. OneTrack (4,602 comments) says:

    ” , but the Maori Party is a good example of a party that actually achieves things in a constructive manner.”

    Since they went into coalition with National. Wonder how they Will get on with Labour/Green/Winston/Internet and Mana? Last cab off the rank?

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  14. Inthisdress (699 comments) says:

    I disagree with those who see them as separatist, becasue I think a separate approach is required for Māori, and for pākehā to be better educated regarding this. I think the Māori Party has done more to unite and encourage social cohesion than the likes of Brash (IWI/KIWI) or Dr. ‘One Law for all’ Whyte, and maintained its rangitiratanga and kotahitanga in a way far removed from the way Hone Harawira has shamefully betrayed his by selling out to KFC, sorry, KDC.

    The Māori party has also has kept on with its brief – to do good for its constituents and has remained very removed from the cluster-fu**k ‘gotcha’ mentalities, and racially-divisive ‘anti-this-and-that’ approaches of some I could describe.

    I’ll probably vote for them again on that basis.

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  15. kowtow (13,208 comments) says:

    They’ve been very succesful. They’ve turned the party of private property into a socialist activist agency.

    Plain packaging of tobacco anyone.

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  16. Unity (1,470 comments) says:

    For me, the Maori Party has achieved a lot for part-Maori but only because of appeasing John Key who has given in to them on so much regarding racial privilege because he’s needed their support. Under Key’s watch (and I voted for National in 2008 but wouldn’t have a bar of them when I saw what they were doing racially) separatism and racism has multiplied to the point where we virtually have an apartheid State. Everything is now being Maorified in every aspect of our lives, and one could be forgiven for thinking that we only have people of Maori descent in this country. Most of them now have more ‘other’ ancestry than ‘Maori’ yet they are still giving them special privilege based on race.

    I will be voting for a Party in this election who will vow to get rid of the Maori Seats, the Maori Roll and start treating everyone the same under the law with no special privilege based on race. For me, racial equality under the law is the number one requirement if this country is ever to progress and be great again. It should have happened long ago as part-Maori are very well represented in all the political Parties and do not need special seats or roll. It is in fact insulting to do so and implies they need special treatment when they don’t. There are many self-sufficient people of Maori descent in this country who are decent worthwhile citizens getting through life on their own efforts and without special handouts, laws and privilege. Sadly too many of them have gone to Australia to get away from all this nonsense and tribal separatism.

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  17. wiseowl (2,280 comments) says:

    Well said Unity.
    Some do not seem to see the society that is being set up.Very soon(and it may already be the case) there will be true resentment and backlash as more and more realise how they have been conned and New Zealanders are taking a back seat to a new unelected elite making decisions based on race.
    The worst example has to be the Statutory Authority in Auckland and the arrogance that goes with it.

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  18. Ashley Schaeffer (798 comments) says:

    Yes, well said Unity.

    Inthisdress (27 comments) says:
    August 20th, 2014 at 12:57 pm
    I disagree with those who see them as separatist, becasue I think a separate approach is required for Māori, and for pākehā to be better educated regarding this.

    So you support separatism Inthisdress?

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  19. Unity (1,470 comments) says:

    Thank you, Wiseowl. The Auckland situation is a classic example of what not to do and it’s going to cause even more problems than people are starting to see. It’s hugely detrimental and so blatantly racist to give one group of people, who are part another ancestry anyway, so much say. Of course, none of this is without huge cost because these crafty people are always paid, otherwise they wouldn’t be the slightest bit interested. There will always be money in it for them!! When Aucklanders finally wake up as to the wastage of their rates for racist initiatives, they will be outraged. It totally amazes me that the people of this country are so apathetic. When they do wake up it will be too late and they will be wondering how it all happened!! Evil prevails when good men do nothing!!?? It’s happening here and now.

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  20. Ashley Schaeffer (798 comments) says:

    It totally amazes me that the people of this country are so apathetic.

    We have been trained over many years that to be outraged at separatism is to be a racist. So we say nothing.

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  21. Unity (1,470 comments) says:

    Yes, we have been brainwashed to think like that but when you think of it, separatism is racist and we should stand up and protest every time we come across it. We shouldn’t be cowed into thinking, we mustn’t talk about it. That’s why it has now progressed the way it has and ingrained itself into our lives. I for one, just speak my mind every time no matter who might not like it. I’m tired of just ‘taking it’ on the chin and not saying anything. I always ask anyone who says it is racist to think this way, exactly who is the racist here. How can wanting equality under the law for everyone, be racist? We mustn’t let ‘them’ make us feel we are the ones in the wrong. They are.

    Speak up every time. But better still give your Party vote to a Party who wants an end to this racism and especially one who wants binding referendums so that the politicians will have to do our bidding and not abide by their hidden agendas. We need to claim our democracy back. At the moment we only have a democracy once every 3 years – when we vote. The rest of the time ‘they’ do not listen to us citizens and we have a dictatorship. Just think on it.

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  22. Nigel Kearney (1,988 comments) says:

    We have been trained over many years that to be outraged at separatism is to be a racist. So we say nothing.

    Not really. There is a clear majority of NZers that believe law should be race-neutral and are quite happy to say so. It’s a common thing to hear in people’s homes or in the pub or the tea room at work. Only in public forums does the racist minority have sufficient numbers to shout these views down.

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  23. edhunter (578 comments) says:

    There should be no Maori seats in parliament, we’ve moved on & the number of MP’s with Maori heritage in parliament shows that, and National should honour their pledge to get rid of them.
    I don’t have a problem with a Maori party per se & under MMP if they received 5% of the vote good on them.
    They haven’t been a bad coalition partner & they have achieved real results for their constituents, the problem for minor parties in a government is that they can’t be as outlandish with their promises as those in opposition & I’d be very surprised to find a minority party that has increased their vote percentage while being in government.

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  24. Inthisdress (699 comments) says:

    Ashley Shaeffer: So you support separatism Inthisdress?

    I’m glad you asked that. No, I support someone being able to engage in their own culture and language without having to apologise for it, or have to go cap-in-hand to a different one to be allowed to have it.

    How many here slam Māori seats, because they claim they are a special case, and yet, when Māori put together a political party which is engaging with the democratic process and participating in constitutional processes in a legal way, based on a western model of suffrage, appealing to a specific constituency and shade of opinion, suddenly that is considered separatist also?

    I 100% endorse and applaud the creation of the Maori Party. It was formed went to the polls and got votes. I’m not Maori. I voted for them. No one stopped me on the basis of my race. This isn’t apartheid, and I support the idea of Maori taking responsibility for their own iwi hapu and whānau, and engaging with democratic process in ways that enable them to feel their culture, language and history is not something to be shamed into submission. It’s called representative democracy.

    Finally, why is it that our society should be forced to think of itself as ‘mono-cultural’? It never has been so far, and never will be. If you don’t believe me go to Dunedin and describe the ancestors of the town as ‘English’ rather than ‘Scot’, or refer to certain Croatian gum-tree diggers as ‘Serbian’. Hell, perhaps I should be suggesting you change your name from someone called ‘Shaeffer’ to something a little more English while I’m at it?

    My argument is a damn sight less separatist than yours, I’d suggest.

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  25. Unity (1,470 comments) says:

    Inthisdress, who on earth is stopping you engaging in the part of your culture you wish to bearing in mind you more than likely have mixed ancestry. You can do it whenever you like – just don’t expect the rest of us to be involved when we don’t want to be. Stop expecting us to endure hakas ad nauseum and lengthy addresses in Maori at everything that opens and shuts, without being followed up by what was said in English. Actually it would be preferable if these addresses in Maori were limited to the Marae because everyone understands English but not Maori and most have no intention of learning it. It is the height of bad manners to speak in a tongue most don’t understand anyway.

    The Maori seats are racist. We should all be on the same Roll. There are plenty of people of Maori descent in all the Parties so we don’t need to have these special seats as part-Maori would be very well represented. The Commission which looked into MMP said as much. As there are no full blooded Maori left, I’m often curious as to why the Maori side only is elevated. What happens to the culture of the other part of your heritage? I have absolutely no problem with a Party calling itself The Maori Party. Part of me wonders what would be said though if we had The Pakeha Party. I have a problem with the Maori All Blacks because it is racist by its very name and selection criteria. What would be said if we had the Pakeha All Blacks? Same difference.

    However to put it briefly, practise your Maori culture whenever you like, learn the much reinvented Maori language at home like every other language is learned, unless you fund your own Maori Immersion Schools and stop expecting the rest of us to do so. No-one is stopping you, the same as I learn and practice my own culture when I want without expecting others to endure it and I certainly wouldn’t impose it upon them.

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  26. Inthisdress (699 comments) says:

    Well Unity, I don’t recall saying I supported Māori seats.

    I’m saying that people who complain about Māori seats want to have their cake and eat it too, by then calling the Māori Party ‘separatist’ when it plainly isn’t.

    Your having to ‘endure hakas ad nauseum’ is a bit sad, though. Is it like an invasion of your human rights? I ask because you could always boycott these events if you feel that strongly, instead perhaps feeling you are being forced to take part?
    On the bright side you can then at least feel a bit of the angst that Māori who were forced not to speak their own language for nigh on a hundred years in schools by offical policy felt.

    Which is of course one of the reasons so few speak it now, and why Māori feel the need to set up their own schools to redress the loss of their language. But ironically that is why you now get to claim it’s a useless language because no one speaks it.

    I have never met a Māori person who wasn’t pleasantly suprised, and polite when I took the slightest effort to take interest in, rather than villify thier culture. And I mean every one from those I met in prison to those I meet in my work. But the difference is I don’t feel I have to ‘endure it’ because I’m not a xenophobe. And I’m not a xenophobe because I respect other peoples’ right not to be bludgeoned into a monocultural pulp by people who appear to believe their own culture is somehow superior, and that goes for Māori who do that as well..

    I’m English by the way, with a bit of Scot and Irish thrown in. I’m equally proud of them all, but know what you mean about having to endure hakas. That’s how I feel when I’m forced (at gunpoint) to watch the ‘All Blacks’.

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  27. RF (2,329 comments) says:

    Looks as if Flavell is keeping his options open and looking at a $1.00 each way on National & Labour.

    Loyalty has been lost somewhere.

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  28. wiseowl (2,280 comments) says:

    You have been well indoctrinated.
    You will find the story about Maari not learning their own language is a myth.They were told by their own parents to learn English as that was the way of the future.
    Get over to NZCPR and do some reading.You might stumble upon some truths.

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  29. Inthisdress (699 comments) says:

    Tell you what wiseowl, I’ll go take a peek and ‘stumble’ about abit if you refrain from don’t calling looking into the subject ‘indoctrinated’. I don’t subscribe to the lazy ‘all Māori were beaten’ argument, and accept the role of Māori elders who advocated for ‘getting ahead’ but what did it get them, really? I know that anti-intellectualism is a stock-in-trade of certain kinds of debate, but I invite you to consider the following:
    The Native Schools Act of 1867 (http://www.teara.govt.nz/mi/maori-education-matauranga/page-3) which instituted a state-moratorium on Te Reo Māori in schools was instituted for just over a hundred years.
    Māori experience may have become an internalised one of powerlessness but perhaps was incoherently and disjointedly expressed, in part as a consequence of the limited access the majority of Māori had been afforded by state-education; a process begun in the nineteenth Century, as in this Report by Henry Taylor, 1862:
    “I do not advocate for the Natives under present circumstances a refined education or high mental culture: it would be inconsistent if we take account of the position they are likely to hold for many years to come in the social scale, and inappropriate if we remember that they are better calculated by nature to get their living by manual than by mental labour.”
    So only 14 years after Waitangi, Māori were essentially written off by Government educational policy.
    (The Wananga Capital Establishment Report, 1999: http://www.waitangi-tribunal.govt.nz/reports/viewchapter.asp?reportID=39e13093-2f4d-4971-aca0-28e811572755&chapter=1.)
    And consider more modern ‘indoctrinated’ scholarship if we cast our minds back to Jamie ‘One Law’ Whyte only last week:
    “Despite the ideology of egalitarianism, the goal [of state education] was to provide Māori with sufficient English literacy to be the manual and domestic workers in the emerging national and global capitalist economy, based on assumptions of English cultural and intellectual superiority”
    (Potter, Taupo, Hutchings, McDowell, Isaacs, (2011). He whānau matua, he whānau ora: Maori adult literacy and whānau transformation New Zealand Council for Educational Research, Wellington, 2011. (p.16).

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  30. Unity (1,470 comments) says:

    Inthisdress, the banning of Maori being spoken in schools was done by Maori elders and also that great Maori Statesman, Sir Apirana Ngata because they knew the Maori people would never become properly civilised unless they knew and spoke English well. That didn’t mean that mothers couldn’t teach their children the language at home because that’s where all languages are usually taught – at the mother’s breast. So if the language is dying, blame the parents for not teaching their children. However, I don’t want to fund it with my taxes and shouldn’t have to. As it is, fluent Maori speakers can’t understand the language of today because so many new words have been ‘created’ and even the pronunciation has changed with an ‘h’ being added wherever there is a ‘w’ and pronouncing it as an ‘f’. As the white man wrote the language down exactly as he heard it, if ‘wh’ had been pronounced as an ‘f’ it would have been written as an ‘f’. Growing up I never ever heard a Maori person pronouncing my home town of Whakatane as Fakatane.

    You may not think the Maori Party is racist but they are certainly pushing racist policies for all they are worth. For me the start of the All Blacks matches is the only time I can stand the haka. It seems appropriate there because it’s more of a war dance type of thing and is supposed to be intimidating for the other team. Having people breaking out in a haka at every little thing is most inappropriate given it’s proper meaning. Now, I just hear the stomping and chanting and turn completely off with raised hackles. I’m actually all haka’d out. Unfortunately I can’t boycott these events because they happen when I least expect it – on TV news items when something important has happened etc.

    I hasten to add that for years I used to love Maori singing and grew up and went to school with many Maori people. It’s just in recent years that I have been turned off because I feel it has been shoved down my throat at every turn. It’s now right through the education and health systems and teachers and nurses are forced to apply it in their everyday working lives whether they like it or not and especially if they want to progress. This is totally wrong and is contributing to the distaste of many regarding things Maori. So, it would be better to blame those who are trying to foist it upon us and in all aspects of our lives.

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  31. seanmaitland (513 comments) says:

    I think its awesome how the Maori party have achieved some big wins over the last few years – while on the other hand, in the last 15 years, all the Greens have achieved, despite their relentless self-agrandising and bravado is to get people prosecuted for smacking their children.

    The Greens are a bunch of useless muppets compared to the Maori Party. I’m not in favour of race-based politics, but I think they have certainly made the most of their opportunities.

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  32. Unity (1,470 comments) says:

    The only reason the Maori Party has achieved some big wins over the last few years is because John Key is an appeaser and has given in to them so as to stay in power. Yes, they certainly did make the most of their opportunities but in doing so they are changing the whole country into an apartheid State. They suck more and more money out of the country and achieve nothing because money won’t fix the problem certain people of Maori descent have. What is needed is a proper education, a good work ethic and aspiration to be responsible for themselves as so many have already done proving it can be done. Instead they are growing up with a grievance mentality and just hold their hands out blaming everything and everyone on their poor situation. All that wasted money could be used for the benefit of everyone instead of pouring it down the drain on one racial group. It should be used for initiatives based on need and not race.

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  33. wiseowl (2,280 comments) says:

    Unity.I was surprised to hear Dover Samuels ring talkback the other night when they were talking about so-called poverty in this country and he was suggesting that people (not just Maori) needed a help out not a hand out.He was saying how poorer families needed a case manager to show them how to budget rather than just throwing never ending money at them.

    He spoke very well and was clearly passionate about what he was saying. No hint of blame or race .

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  34. seanmaitland (513 comments) says:

    An apartheid state? They give Maori people opportunities that non-Maori don’t have, but apartheid is about racial segregation – I don’t really see that going on.

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  35. Unity (1,470 comments) says:

    Apartheid is any privilege and initiatives given out based on race, not only segregation. However it is a form of segregation because much of it is only available to people of Maori descent. There are many people without any Maori ancestry who also need help but it is geared towards those of Maori descent all too often.

    Wiseowl, Dover Samuels is very right. He’s been around a long time and will have seen increasingly endless sums of money being thrown at ‘the problem’ and obviously realises that it’s done not the slightest bit of good. Personally I feel parenting and budgeting classes would be ideal at school. However, his suggestion of a case manager to show the current people in need how to budget is an excellent idea. It isn’t just limited to those of Maori descent. We need to all be treated equally under the law and any special initiatives should be given out on need, not race. People who come from generations of beneficiaries do not have the role models to show them how to get by. However, there are many from these backgrounds who do use their own initiative and rise above it, becoming very self sufficient citizens on their own efforts. It certainly can be done but money alone won’t do it.

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