General Debate 13 August 2014

August 13th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Dennis Horne (2,403 comments) says:

    Like Jamie Whyte, I am left scratching my head. Wasn’t this the media and public response to his comments? Parody. Not enough clues? See, you don’t need to be Maori to be equal. Oh, the irony.

    Dennis Horne (2,062 comments) says: August 12th, 2014 at 8:03 am. Hidden due to low comment rating.

    Some lessons in straight and crooked thinking. If it’s wrong it’s illegal, and if it’s not illegal it’s okay. Like incest is bad and adultery is good. Got that? Quick guys, abandon your families, Jamie Whyte expects you to marry your sister.

    Maori seats do not create a difference, or inequality. They do not confer privilege. After all, the French aristocrats had their heads chopped off. Hardly a privilege! And they weren’t even tattooed. Fortunately, if being Maori is a disadvantage there is no compulsion to go on the Maori roll. But, if you feel disadvantaged your ancestors were mostly European, you can be Maori, if you feel like it. No one expects you to go back to living under bracken and eating your neighbours. No, it’s a house and handouts for you I’m afraid.

    Jamie! Fancy going on Maori Television and not knowing about Whanau Ora! It distributes millions at a community level for health and social services. It has a focus on Maori, but is open to all. See, you don’t need to be Maori to be equal.

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  2. Viking2 (11,488 comments) says:

    Cold today.

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  3. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    Chris Trotter believes it is the duty of a leader to override the overwhelming view of a majority. He has a Helen Clark complex
    http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.co.nz/2014/08/the-responsibilities-of-power.html

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  4. Griff (7,807 comments) says:

    Poes law Dennis.
    The law and its meaning

    Poe’s law, in broader form, states:

    Without a blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of extremism or fundamentalism that someone won’t mistake for the real thing.[3]

    The core of Poe’s law is that a parody of something extreme, by nature, becomes impossible to differentiate from sincere extremism. A corollary of Poe’s law is the reverse phenomenon: sincere fundamentalist beliefs can be mistaken for a parody of those beliefs

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  5. kowtow (8,522 comments) says:

    A smal insight into coverage of Gaza .

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/foreign_press_association_finally_attacks_hamas_for_threatening_journalists/

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  6. flash2846 (287 comments) says:

    Harawira going on about child poverty; what crap from him and his ilk. Maori have 37 billion dollars worth of cash and assets donated to them that should be distributed immediately.
    They wont though because they are the most greedy, parasitical race on the planet.

    [DPF: 20 demerits]

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  7. mjw (396 comments) says:

    The Civilian Party has been registered.

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  8. flipper (4,083 comments) says:

    Anyone know what Hager does for a crust – apart from writing fiction every three or so years?

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  9. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    Gareth Morgan on Jamie Whyte and Susan devoy:

    Critics can legitimately question whether affirmative action policies are effective at addressing disadvantage, or whether they are available to everyone in genuine need, but they cannot credibly reject them on the grounds they are deviations from political equality. They simply aren’t – or shouldn’t be, if properly designed – political in nature.

    We’re not aware of any robust evaluations of New Zealand’s parallel entry policies to elite university courses, the affirmative action policy that bothered Whyte. So we’re not defending the policies as being effective or inclusive (is parallel entry available to Pasifika, refugees and the disabled, for example? It should be). In fact, we’d say New Zealand has to get serious about evaluating policies like this if it hopes to make any inroads into disadvantage.

    Despite claims to the contrary, it is not the case, either, that unique political rights are necessary in order to address Maori disadvantage. Yet that seems to be Devoy’s position.

    http://garethsworld.com/blog/uncategorized/maori-political-rights-disadvantage-separate-issues/

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  10. kowtow (8,522 comments) says:

    Hopefully the useless, craven Liberal Democrats in the UK will be crushed and consigned to the rubbish bin of history at the next GE there.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2723121/British-arms-exports-Israel-blocked-ceasefire-Gaza-breaks-Vince-Cable-announces.html

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  11. EAD (1,128 comments) says:

    Sorry Dennis, let me fix that for you. That wasn’t the public’s reaction to Whytes comments, it was the medias and our political elites reaction to his comments.

    Big difference

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  12. gravedodger (1,566 comments) says:

    Hello Denis, when “Judith” welcomed you back I saw only little gain and potential for tears.

    New Zealand is growing up, sadly you are in a time warp and so bereft of material you are forced to climb deeper into the sewer for relevance.

    Whyte called for consideration of decriminalising of incest.
    Just as the enlightened souls who saw little benefit to anyone, in getting government and law out of what consenting adults should wish to do in private around homosexuality, even if usurping the status of marriage was a step too far, many accept there is nothing to gain by subsequent prosecution of transgression of archaic and very rarely used laws of incest.

    There was never any suggestion Whyte was advocating for incest to be normalised or made compulsory.

    Incest law when considered in sync with pornography, assault, indecency and child sex law is entirely redundant c2014.

    Hop over to wherever Judy hangs out and have a circle jerk you desperate numpty.

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  13. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    Ian Wishart’s new book Totalitaria his most controversial ever

    MEDIA STATEMENT

    Investigative journalist Ian Wishart says his new book Totalitaria is his most controversial ever.

    The 32 year news veteran has turned his attention to globalisation and the powerful groups working behind the scenes to put a new world political and economic structure in place.

    Already the author of five #1 bestsellers, Wishart says there are no sacred cows spared in Totalitaria.

    “It is extremely hard hitting and no one on the left or right is spared. If you matched up The Truman Show with The Omen, Totalitaria is the story you’d end up with,” he said.
    …………
    First I’ve heard of it. That’s the power of the liberal elite. Not that I’m a climate skeptic or born again but we should hear about it.

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  14. Dennis Horne (2,403 comments) says:

    Yes, Gareth, I see that having Maori seats is not political.

    I would like to apologise for being a man, we are certainly a stupid creature.

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  15. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    David Cunliffe rocked up to Palmerston North yesterday and held out the carrot of a possible inland port for the city if Labour gets elected. Those pundits suggesting Iain Lees-Galloway is facing a real dog-fight with Jono Naylor must be right then…

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/08/just-coincidence.html

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  16. RF (1,404 comments) says:

    Listening to full moon King being put on the ropes by Hosking & Joyce during their Wednesday ZB roundup. She is gabbling / gobbling away like a turkey in the mating season trying to deflect questions about Dot Crim being a partner in the Labour Govt. Poor old thing… Everyone is picking on her. Now she trying to justify their free medical visits for the elderly. More gabbling.

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  17. kowtow (8,522 comments) says:

    I’ve heard commentators talking about”our” jihadis who travel abroad to fight non Sunnis and they seem to soft talk and compare them to the likes of the International Brigaders in Spain,romantics fighting fascism blah blah

    The reality,as we know, is very different.

    They are genocidal maniacs and I hope the US air strkes get the lot of them.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/11029765/Iraq-crisis-the-last-stand-of-the-Yazidis-against-Islamic-State.html

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  18. oldpark (338 comments) says:

    Watched the Labour Party Channel TVNZ news last evening.Was intrigued to see a cue reader by the name of Simon Dellow and a guy called Corrin Dann.One segment was about a person with a womans name called Nicky.Seems at this time of the election cycle Nicky reveals fantasy fairytale political story’s ,which he seems to make up.Well both Dellow and Mr Red Jeans or is it Mr Cream Jeans, Dann were virtually wetting themselves to think that the person called Nicky would whet their appetites, to the point his fantasties might bring down a National Government,at least that was the perception given to their audience.Instead hopefully the opposite,that our dedicated GCSB men and women are forever in full alert to protect us all in the nation of NZ against ISIS type terrorists rampaging through NZ ,murdering and beheading women and children and burying them alive ,as we are seeing daily in Iraq.We see and hear daily the Commie Greens,and the criminal SCHMIDZ/DOTCON wanting our security system disbanded.Interesting the mouthpieces that are screaming the loudest are an Australian called Russel Norman ,and a German called Schmidz,from Dotcon Party.Hopefully the person called Nicky will not ,with his fantasies and conspiracy utterances join the imported radicals,calling for the demise of the GCBS.

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  19. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ flash2846 (183 comments) says:
    August 13th, 2014 at 8:10 am

    If child ‘poverty’ (I prefer the word deprivation) involved only Maori children, you would have a point, however it doesn’t. Children of all cultures in New Zealand are not being provided with what this country deems as minimum standards of care. That is, they are deprived of basic needs according to what we expect them to have.

    When we have governments (not just this one) who insist on picking up the parenting role, and providing assistance to couples who chose to have a baby, to people who don’t save or insure themselves against illness, who subsidize parents in caring for their children, and even pay for burial costs for some (despite the fact we all know we are going to die, from the day we are born, we have time to prepare for that) – when we have a dependence on government to fix even part of what we should be responsible for ourselves, and allow that to continue for generations, increasing state dependence, then how can we sensibly expect anyone to know that it is up to them to provide for their children – regardless of culture?

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  20. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Dennis Horne (2,064 comments) says:
    August 13th, 2014 at 8:21 am

    Good to see you Dennis – and know you are still with us!

    No need to apologise, women have known that for years ! ;-)

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  21. flash2846 (287 comments) says:

    @ Yes Judith, I get your point somewhat except that the funds have been taken from New Zealanders of European, Asian and Polynesian decent and therefore should be distributed to ALL in need.

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  22. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    Why has overt anti-Semitism only surfaced in the 2014 election, and not the 2011 one?

    http://yournz.org/2014/08/13/why-has-overt-anti-semitism-surfaced/

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  23. EAD (1,128 comments) says:

    Thomas Sowell once again on the money:

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/08/thomas-sowell/youre-the-wrong-race/

    “If racism is the reason why there are so few blacks in Stuyvesant High School, why were blacks a far higher proportion in Stuyvesant in earlier times, as far back as 1938? Was there less racism in 1938? Was there less poverty among blacks in 1938?

    We know that there were far fewer black children raised in single-parent homes back then and there was far less social degeneracy represented by things like gangsta rap. If Mayor de Blasio wants to solve real problems, let him take these on”

    Marginalise the successful culture, promote and subsidise deginrate ways of life, and what do you think is going to happen you effete politicians

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  24. jp_1983 (213 comments) says:

    http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8889569/both-sides-fed-up-with-billboard-vandals

    National believes billboard vandalism is worse this election than it’s been in the past.

    … Here is the kicker
    Mr Cunliffe says he hasn’t seen any of his own billboards defaced.

    If you don’t have any billboards, how can any be defaced?

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  25. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    Judith (7,990 comments) says:
    We all have to know the deal from birth and governments need to stick to it.

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  26. Dennis Horne (2,403 comments) says:

    gravedodger: Hop over to wherever Judy hangs out and have a circle jerk you desperate numpty.

    Any chance, Judith? Sounds fun…

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  27. EAD (1,128 comments) says:

    Sorry Pete, 3 billboards and 1 snide comment does not “overt anti-Semitism” make. Stop abusing the English language and turning this into a witch hunt.

    Been to Europe recently? I’ll show you what anti-Semitism looks like

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  28. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ hj (6,536 comments) says:
    August 13th, 2014 at 8:43 am

    Yes, I agree, and that is the problem, because no government can simply cut the cord without giving people time to prepare.

    Perhaps, and I doubt any government would be brave enough to do this, and certainly under MMP would not survive if they did- however, the state needs to implement a gradual reduction of support – timed at intervals to allow people to prepare. Such a move would need to be spread over 25 years, in order to take the generational effect into account.

    Until then, we don’t need to move towards equality – we need to provide equity. Doing what is necessary, no matter how hard, to bring all up to the standard of being able to be self sufficient ( yes, I acknowledge there will always be a small number in society that will never reach that level, and they will always need to be supported).

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  29. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Pete George,

    The unpleasant reality of Gaza is that the NZ state has to take a share of the blame, since the English elites were instrumental in enabling the creation of the Zionist state in Palestine. Religion also plays a part, with NZ’s HOS being the Anglican at the top of their social heirarchy, and the British Anglican William Hechler being central to British support for Herzl’s plan.

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  30. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    EAD – see jp_1983’s comment at 8.41 – and there have been a number of observations of it being much worse this election, both the number of attacks and the offensiveness.

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  31. J Bloggs (241 comments) says:

    EAD: but 3 billboards and one snide comment is where it all starts…..

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  32. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ EAD (720 comments) says:
    August 13th, 2014 at 8:44 am

    I find it extremely disturbing that people on this board are raving on about this issue.

    A few weeks back one of them made a comment promoting the mass killing of Maori – and they received several upticks for their efforts. Not one person stated their offence at the remark.

    Denigration of any group based on race, religion or sex is not on when done is such a disgusting manner – and yet this board, not only condones it, but many get approval for doing it, and worst still DPF ignores it, seemingly until there is political advantage to be made of it.

    Gibson made a single disgusting personal attack to the PM, and whilst it was in extremely poor taste, it was no where near as severe as what some have advocated for Maori, PI’s, and even females on this site.

    It is an appalling display of hypocrisy, and there is absolutely no defense any of them can offer for seemingly being ‘offended’ by one derogatory comment, whilst condoning the many others that appear on here, almost on a daily basis.

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  33. Igotta Numbum (463 comments) says:

    Huge amounts of money is being shifted between the IMP parties, to help them continue in the election.

    In light of the recent court ruling where DotCrim has to further fully disclose all his assets, if it is discovered that stuff that was previously not disclosed now includes all the dollars being pumped into IMP, can the courts request that the money be returned?

    Further to that, if it is finally settled in court, that DotCrim’s money has been made by ill-gotten means, does that not make all participants in the IMP fiasco receivers of stolen money?

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  34. Lance (2,662 comments) says:

    @UT
    So your latest drivel is white British descendant NZers need to feel yet more shame, this time over policies of British politicians post WW1 in the Middle East?

    I say fuck you and the horse that bought you to town!

    That clear enough?

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  35. Manolo (13,837 comments) says:

    Stephie must be drooling:
    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/08/hillary-clinton-foreign-policy-liberals-109934.html
    http://www.vox.com/2014/8/12/5992793/hillary-clintons-interview-shows-both-how-she-might-win-and-how-she
    http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/11/flashback-obama-promises-no-vacations-for-himself-as-president-video/

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  36. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    EAD: but 3 billboards and one snide comment is where it all starts…..

    Yes, but it’s far more than that anyway. As well as “3 billboards and one snide comment”:

    – Green culprit: http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/311068/mp-slams-sign-taggers
    – Culprit unknown: http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/311068/mp-slams-sign-taggers
    – Two convicted vandals were linked on KB a day or two ago
    – Video of “fuck John Key” chants promoted by Internet Party
    – Video of “fuck John Key” chants and effigy burning promoted on Facebook site (which has other examples of vandalism)

    Etc etc. It looks worse quantity wise and the offensiveness has certainly escalated, especially the anti-Semitism.

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  37. EAD (1,128 comments) says:

    @ Pete, this is the same kind of preposterous, over the top train of thought as saying NZ has a “rape culture” because of the actions of several individuals.

    The reason I read blogs is to stumble across some independent thinkers. I may as well read the hooooorald if the debate is just a circle-jerk of bloggers repeating politicians talking points.

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  38. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Pete George (23,009 comments) says:
    August 13th, 2014 at 9:12 am

    So tell me Pete, which party do you think will benefit most in the polls by the continuation and promotion of dialogue concerning this issue?

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  39. Mike Readman (363 comments) says:

    Come Sept. 21, most of you guys will be crying in your conflakes thanks to this:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10376693/Snowden-may-play-part-in-Hagers-latest-book-expose

    Remember how “Seeds of Distrust” affected the 2002 election? Well, it’s about to happen again! All the spying on normal Kiwis will be exposed, along with Key’s lies about it.

    National’s done!

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  40. iMP (2,387 comments) says:

    So, I hear there is a protest today in AKL, in which black jihadist flags will be burned, criticism leveled at Muslims for ignoring human rights and committing grizzly sectarian crimes, including aid planes being shot at…said no one ever.

    Meanwhile, the tens of thousands of Yazidis in Kurdistan/Iraq, surrounded by barbaric be-heading zealots (their victims include pregnant women and little christian children) have not heard from the Left, who are busy berating and harassing israel for being cosmopolitan and democratic and defending themselves from the 20,000 rockets shot at their civilians over the last 9 years.

    Yup, its a balanced world.

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  41. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    So tell me Pete, which party do you think will benefit most in the polls by the continuation and promotion of dialogue concerning this issue?

    Who knows? The vandalism could be effective or it could backfire. Probably some of both, but time will tell if it might be significant one way or the other.

    I don’t care who might or might not benefit from continuation of dialogue on it.

    What benefits the least is democracy. And it puts our politics into further disrepute. A likely effect is to turn more people off politics and discourage them from voting.

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  42. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Mike Readman (359 comments) says:
    August 13th, 2014 at 9:15 am

    I sincerely hope not, although I am not a National supporter, and will certainly not be giving them my vote, I do not believe we have another party that has the necessary ability to run the country at present, whilst at the same time defending the ongoing nastiness that has become prevalent in our politics, increasingly so during the last six years.

    One only has to look at the archives on this site to find proof of how this nastiness has escalated since 2006/7.

    I believe National will win – they will need to form a coalition government and make many concessions in order to do that. I also believe that John Key will retire from politics and not remain the full term, and that the next election will be held before three years is up. Then and only then, when New Zealand has learned its lesson, and new and stronger leadership will hopefully emerge, will we get a government worthy of the responsibility it has.

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  43. Dennis Horne (2,403 comments) says:

    EAD: The reason I read blogs is to stumble across some independent thinkers.

    Good luck. Horne’s law states: 90% of people are below “average”.

    PS. I’m a long time ACT supporter even though Banks made me sick. We need thinkers like Jamie Whyte in Parliament.

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  44. Dennis Horne (2,403 comments) says:

    Hope you’re warming your hands up, Judith.

    Be back from my walk later. Then I have to carry on repairing a broken aircraft. But it’s nice to have something to look forward to…

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  45. muggins (3,787 comments) says:

    Hi Dennis.
    Havn’t heard from you for a while. You might want to pop in and have a look at the “Who killed the Crewe’s ” blog which has turned into a “Who killed the Bain’s ” blog.

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  46. Griff (7,807 comments) says:

    “I have an idea about voting, how about on every ballot we include “None of the above”. People may laugh at that, but what that is, it is a vote of no confidence in your government and I’m willing to bet that in some elections, ‘None of the Above’ would win. Imagine if you won the election but lost to ‘None of the Above’. Wouldn’t that make you re-think your positions?”
    ― Jesse Ventura

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  47. EAD (1,128 comments) says:

    Jesse Ventura would’ve made a great President. He certainly was a great governor of Minnesota.

    I think Chuck Norris was a big supporter of his?

    Don’t think those 2 would be needing any presidential bodyguards….

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  48. Manolo (13,837 comments) says:

    The spreading of Auckland’s disease: :-)
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2722830/Average-house-prices-central-London-hit-1-6m-capital-s-property-boom-shows-no-sign-slowing.html

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  49. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    So your latest drivel is white British descendant NZers need to feel yet more shame, this time over policies of British politicians post WW1 in the Middle East?

    Why should they be ashamed of something that they had no knowledge of and no involvement in?

    My criticism was of the NZ state, not the NZ people. True statists lack the ability to distinguish between the two. This inability to distinguish is central to the core issue of Gaza of the state’s persecution on non-citizens. This lack of discernment is reinforced by the misrepresentation of the attitudes of Arab states towards Israel, for example the MSM misrepresentation of the Iranian “wipe them off the map” quote.

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  50. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    “Listening to full moon King being put on the ropes by Hosking & Joyce during their Wednesday ZB roundup. She is gabbling / gobbling away like a turkey in the mating season trying to deflect questions about Dot Crim being a partner in the Labour Govt. Poor old thing… Everyone is picking on her. Now she trying to justify their free medical visits for the elderly. More gabbling.”

    RF – she is hilarious when shes defending the indefensible.

    Do labour really think people are buying the “we wont be in govt with dot com”. when asked if they will rule him out they try the old “we have”. then asked about confidence and supply and 400 words a minute ranting about ACT lol

    I do wish Hosking would pick her up when she calls ACT nutjobs every week. he should just say – which policy annette? the one that offers more freedom to people? aka all of them?

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  51. Manolo (13,837 comments) says:

    Annette “Full Moon King is living proof that Labour dinoaurs are still alive. All the veteran can do is lie and spin.

    She should be reminded of her participation in the Ginga Hughes’ affair.

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  52. stephieboy (3,163 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth, the facts are Israelis agreed to the UN 1947 partition plan the Palestinians and Arabs rejected it.

    The Palestinian leadership now regret that decision.

    http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Abbas-Arabs-erred-in-rejecting-1947-partition-plan

    The wipe Israel off the map is one that boils down to specious semantics on Iran’s part.

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  53. IGM (421 comments) says:

    flipper: This Hager jerk, I think, came to NZ with his Eastern Bloc parents for a better life, they being decent hard workers. He is now possibly leeching off them to provide funds for his three-yearly rant on behalf of the left. This country has done him well, along with his parents . . . he shows a lot of gratitude, not unlike Matches McSleezey of Wellington, another who has taken our hospitality, and kicked us in the guts. They all align with the fat slug from Germany.

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  54. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Or you could wait to see what Hager’s book contains…

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  55. stephieboy (3,163 comments) says:

    Iraq crisis: End ‘very near’ for Christianity after Isis takeover, says Bishop

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iraq-crisis-bishop-of-baghdad-warns-end-could-be-

    This will bring joy to Ugly Truth and other ISIS apologists . I do hope that NZ has the honor of taking this small community as refugees if it comes to it.

    What an appalling tragedy and a huge moral failure of militant Islam.

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  56. Lance (2,662 comments) says:

    The movie ‘Life of Brian’ caused controversy with the Christian Churches.
    Many Christians believed it to be blasphemous.

    The Christians became annoyed and wrote to the paper and complained on TV

    Contrast that the the miserable joyless barbarians of Islam who are committing mass murder and genocide upon people they don’t think fully embrace their lunacy.
    But hey, they have their fanboys even here on KB.

    BTW if the Monty Python guys had made a movie like that about Mohamed I strongly suspect they would have their respect heads slowed sawed off before now.

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  57. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The wipe Israel off the map is one that boils down to specious semantics on Iran’s part.

    Stevieboy, you seem to a knack for being wrong about pretty much everything.

    http://www.antiwar.com/orig/norouzi.php?articleid=11025

    The Actual Quote:

    So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in Farsi:

    “Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad.”

    That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word “regime.” pronounced just like the English word with an extra “eh” sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase “rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods” (regime occupying Jerusalem).

    So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want “wiped from the map”? The answer is: nothing. That’s because the word “map” was never used. The Persian word for map, “nagsheh” is not contained anywhere in his original Farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase “wipe out” ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran’s president threatened to “wipe Israel off the map.” despite never having uttered the words “map.” “wipe out” or even “Israel.”

    The Proof:

    The full quote translated directly to English:

    “The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time.”

    Word by word translation:

    Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).

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  58. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    Going by tweets from Harre, Dotcom and the Internet Party it seems that they might know in advance something about the content of Hager’s book.

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  59. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    This will bring joy to Ugly Truth and other ISIS apologists

    Is slander your new hobby now, stupid boy?

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  60. Lance (2,662 comments) says:

    Oh look
    UT is pissing on our legs and telling us it is raining.

    So now Ahmadinejad didn’t want Israel wiped off the map.
    I don’t think it takes a genius to figure out he didn’t want to nuke it, but sure as shit he wanted every Jew dead.

    I asked some Jews in Israel what it was like during the 6 day war (up on the northern border where the Kibbutz I was on is located).
    The reply was this; ” We knew Israels primary defense was it’s airforce, we watched most of our fighter jets get blown out of the sky above us in one day. We also knew if the Arabs came over the hills then no-one was going to survive”.

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  61. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    geez herald, why even have this on your site? file under “who gives a fuck” or “hope it hurt”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11308215

    Some guy got a hot shot for raping & killing a young pregnant chick. it took him 26 mins to die and he gasped at one stage

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  62. All_on_Red (1,584 comments) says:

    Mikey
    Hagers book? Let me guess. Some smears against Key based on some dubious links from some lines in data provided by Snowden and with a research credit to Ugly Truth. Maybe Naomi Oreskes will make a guest appearance.
    Same old, same old. The usual suspects at the Standard, the Media and various troughing leftie MPs will get excited while the rest of us yawn and vote National anyway.

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  63. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    All On Red – bet the book gets a shit ton of press. the press are bored. they want a fight cause they are selfish hacks. if they can bring down a govt to the determent of a country, who cares.. fuck em

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  64. stephieboy (3,163 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth, sorry your against ISIS and Radical Jihad after all and despite of your earlier mixed messages .!

    Thus you unreservedly oppose radical Islam in all its manifestations including the desire of those like the Taliban to impose strict Sharia.?

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  65. Nookin (3,354 comments) says:

    Key doesn’t seem fazed by Nicky Hagar

    “”Most people know that Nicky Hager is a screaming Left-wing conspiracy theorist. He’s hardly an authority on these matters . . . I’m not terribly worried.” “

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  66. Fletch (6,408 comments) says:

    A journalist riding along on one of the helicopters that are supposed to be delivering aid in Iraq says that 70% of the Yazidis are dead. Officials say that much of the food aid being dropped from helicopters is useless, because they drop it from 15,000 feet without parachutes and it explodes on impact.

    On board Iraqi army helicopter delivering aid to the trapped Yazidis, Jonathan Krohn sees a hellish sight
    Mount Sinjar stinks of death. The few Yazidis who have managed to escape its clutches can tell you why. “Dogs were eating the bodies of the dead,” said Haji Khedev Haydev, 65, who ran through the lines of Islamic State jihadists surrounding it.

    On Sunday night, I became the first western journalist to reach the mountains where tens of thousands of Yazidis, a previously obscure Middle Eastern sect, have been taking refuge from the Islamic State forces that seized their largest town, Sinjar.

    I was on board an Iraqi Army helicopter, and watched as hundreds of refugees ran towards it to receive one of the few deliveries of aid to make it to the mountain. The helicopter dropped water and food from its open gun bays to them as they waited below. General Ahmed Ithwany, who led the mission, told me: “It is death valley. Up to 70 per cent of them are dead.”

    Two American aid flights have also made it to the mountain, where they have dropped off more than 36,000 meals and 7,000 gallons of drinking water to help the refugees, and last night two RAF C-130 transport planes were also on the way.

    However, Iraqi officials said that much of the US aid had been “useless” because it was dropped from 15,000ft without parachutes and exploded on impact.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/11024037/Iraq-crisis-It-is-death-valley.-Up-to-70-per-cent-of-them-are-dead.html

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  67. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    So now Ahmadinejad didn’t want Israel wiped off the map.

    On this question his translator said: we have been condemned for many things because we said justice for all … the rule of law for all … we say for occupation to be wiped … for war-seeking to be wiped…

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  68. Nookin (3,354 comments) says:

    It will be all about unlawful spying and will condemn surveillance on a government’s own citizens like that nice Aussie man whose nephew was carting someone’s held around as a good luck charm.

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  69. G152 (349 comments) says:

    Dennis
    Be back from my walk later. Then I have to carry on repairing a broken aircraft. But it’s nice to have something to look forward to…

    =========
    I hope that its a model

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  70. Odakyu-sen (676 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth

    Words are used to convey meanings. The role of the translator is to convey the meaning. This sometimes brings the translator into conflict with the actual words used. In such a situation, the translator must ask herself* “I know he said XXX, but what did he really mean to his intended audience?”

    In this case, the translator of Ahmadinejad’s statements may have been more accurate than literal words Ahmadinejad uttered.

    *Translators are often women.

    Please bear this in mind with all translations of emotive messages.

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  71. Lance (2,662 comments) says:

    @dime
    This whole complex execution by injection thing is all a bit odd.

    It’s actually quite easy to kill someone painlessly and safely for those round about.
    Use nitrogen to displace the oxygen in a simple hood/ gas chamber.
    The feeling is supposed to be of euphoria before unconsciousness and later death.

    Simple, cheap and effective.
    They don’t have to rely on some supplier refusing to supply nitrogen for execution, simple enough to extract from the air in-house with the appropriate equipment.

    Very odd all the lengths and complexity they seem to go to for all the different options.

    That being said I don’t actually support the death sentence, especially in somewhere like the US where the law and justice are often 2 different things.

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  72. kowtow (8,522 comments) says:

    Lance

    Al Jazeera yesterday reported that 2 men were beheaded for blasphemy and 2 others crucified for consorting with apostates by ISIS in Syria in Raqaa. Sorry can’t find lnk.

    BTW ,I’ve always been a fan of Monty P ,however I’ve never believed their subsequent lie that “life” was about organised religion,it was an undisguised assault on Christianity and “Meaning” more partcularly on Catholicism.For all that they’re entitled to produce what they like.Just don’t pretend it is something other than what it was.

    In this day of apologies and righting the wrongs of the past I’d have a lot more respect for them if they now produced a comdey on The Life of Abdul .

    It’ll never happen.

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  73. All_on_Red (1,584 comments) says:

    Dime
    Yep, and Hagar will get fawning suck up interviews and be on Campbell Live followed by lots of dinner party invites and free drinks in Courtney Place for a couple of months from staff at MFAT and where Mikey ( pretends to) work.

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  74. stephieboy (3,163 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth, a more sober and objective analysis of what President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said and did not say compare to what anti Israel and Iran apologist Juan Cole claims.

    Excerpts ,

    “If Mr. Steele and Mr. Cole are right, not one word of the quotation — Israel should be wiped off the map — is accurate.
    “But translators in Tehran who work for the president’s office and the foreign ministry disagree with them. All official translations of Mr. Ahmadinejad’s statement, including a description of it on his Web site (www.president.ir/eng/), refer to wiping Israel away. Sohrab Mahdavi, one of Iran’s most prominent translators, and Siamak Namazi, managing director of a Tehran consulting firm, who is bilingual, both say “wipe off” or “wipe away” is more accurate than “vanish” because the Persian verb is active and transitive.
    The second translation issue concerns the word “map.” Khomeini’s words were abstract: “Sahneh roozgar.” Sahneh means scene or stage, and roozgar means time. The phrase was widely interpreted as “map,” and for years, no one objected. In October, when Mr. Ahmadinejad quoted Khomeini, he actually misquoted him, saying not “Sahneh roozgar” but “Safheh roozgar,” meaning pages of time or history. No one noticed the change, and news agencies used the word “map” again.

    Ahmad Zeidabadi, a professor of political science in Tehran whose specialty is Iran-Israel relations, explained: “It seems that in the early days of the revolution the word ‘map’ was used because it appeared to be the best meaningful translation for what he said. The words ‘sahneh roozgar’ are metaphorical and do not refer to anything specific. Maybe it was interpreted as ‘book of countries,’ and the closest thing to that was a map. Since then, we have often heard ‘Israel bayad az naghshe jographya mahv gardad’ — Israel must be wiped off the geographical map. Hard-liners have used it in their speeches.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/11/weekinreview/11bronner.html?_r=

    I think the “wipe Israel off the map ” is in perfect keeping with Ahmadinejad ‘s inflammatory rhetoric and polemics that includes e.g hosting a Holocaust Denial Conference in Tehran 2006 and that 9/11 was an inside job.

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  75. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    In this case, the translator of Ahmadinejad’s statements may have been more accurate than literal words Ahmadinejad uttered.

    Westerners can find Iranians to be frustrating to deal with because of the amount of time it takes for Iranians to get to the point. (The video I posted is an example of this.) The upside to this is that it is difficult for them to be misunderstood when they spend so much time describing the context for their statements. In Ahmadinejad’s case his description of the nature of occupation and emphasis on justice and the rule of law provides the context for his previously misreported statement about the Israeli regime.

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  76. kowtow (8,522 comments) says:

    TVNZ midday news leads with the police commisiioner gone to Tuhoi to lick arse! “Controversial,infamous raids” Bollocks to the media message.

    Then followed by a long piece on the suicide of a comedian.

    In third place the genocide of the Yazidis,lasting only a couple of minutes,compared to a relatively long one on the comedian.

    TVNZ “news” priorities are beyond pathetic.It’s shameful.

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  77. MH (762 comments) says:

    the Nips mucked around with the wording of unconditional surrender but after no 2 they came to understand perfectly.

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  78. Fletch (6,408 comments) says:

    kowtow, I just saw that too.

    I want to say to the NZ Police – THANK YOU for doing your job and dismantling the plans of what really amounted to domestic Maori terrorists. Reading the Police affidavit (available to download as a PDF from Wikileaks) is enough to give you an idea of what they were up to.

    Just google “wikileaks urawera affadavit” and you’ll get to the page.

    The Police have nothing to apologize for.

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  79. stephieboy (3,163 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth, there is no disputing what President Ahmadinejad said. At least the Iranian Government agrees even if Juan Cole and you don’t ,

    http://i26.tinypic.com/160osxc.jpg

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  80. Manolo (13,837 comments) says:

    More on the amateur: http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/08/12/Cheney-Obama-Probably-not-Reading-His-Intelligence

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  81. kowtow (8,522 comments) says:

    Gravedodger

    After judiths defence of the Shylock comments I wondered whether anyone could tame the shrew.

    Looks like Dennis “Horney” Horne might be making a play.

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  82. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth, there is no disputing what President Ahmadinejad said. At least the Iranian Government agrees even if Juan Cole and you don’t ,

    http://i26.tinypic.com/160osxc.jpg

    Wow, a photo with the same mistranslated quote that the ZioMedia used, and a few photos implying that military targets exist. Gripping stuff.

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  83. flash2846 (287 comments) says:

    @ MH (652 comments) says:
    August 13th, 2014 at 12:16 pm
    the Nips mucked around with the wording of unconditional surrender but after no 2 they came to understand perfectly.

    Brilliant!!! Comment of the day I recon.

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  84. stephieboy (3,163 comments) says:

    Manolo ,straight from the oracle of one of the US ‘s worst Vice Presidents,

    http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1834600_1834604_1834587,00.htm

    Sorry, the worst Vice President.!

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  85. stephieboy (3,163 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth,

    This Zionist Media.??

    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=29219_A_Call_on_the_Clue_Phone_for_Juan_Cole&only

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  86. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    More fucking apologies! This time the cops apologising to Tuhoe, the backward tribe of the tatooed-arse dwarf who spat on the NZ flag then fired a shotgun into it.

    Why don’t the police get off their knees and chase down the neo-Nazis who are defacing National billboards with anti-Jewish symbols?

    Meanwhile, is Dame Susan Devoid taking any interest in the anti-Jewish vandalism, which surely must fit her definition of racism?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11308261

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  87. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    All Porky Pig needs to do now is apologise to the Thomas family.

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  88. Odakyu-sen (676 comments) says:

    “More fucking apologies! This time the cops apologising to Tuhoe, the backward tribe of the tatooed-arse dwarf who spat on the NZ flag then fired a shotgun into it.”

    You are looking at the apology from a Western perspective. From the Tuhoe perspective, the apology will make them sit up and take notice, with the full knowledge that the police will not make the same mistake again and will be watching them closely.

    …or I could be completely wrong about that.

    My point being is that different cultures regard acts in different lights. What might to white Kiwis to be an act of weakness may appear to others to be an act of erasing the grounds for revenge and at the same time showing that the gloves are coming off.

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  89. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “Reading the Police affidavit (available to download as a PDF from Wikileaks) is enough to give you an idea of what they were up to.”

    Awe fuck! You don’t actually believe what the cops say do you Fletch?

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  90. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    Gotta love Gene Simmons:

    Immigrants – learn to speak english!

    [The politically correct climate dictates that] you don’t want to upset anybody by saying, ‘Learn to speak goddamn English.’ So, as an immigrant, I’m telling you: learn to speak goddamn English. It is the key that will unlock the keys to the kingdom. If you make the effort, then all the possibilities of this culture will open up for you and give you all the rewards that I’ve gotten. I mean, I wasn’t born here and America has enabled me to be a team owner in LA Kiss, to have reality shows and to be in a rock band and to have licensing and merchandising [deals], and a restaurant chain. We’re financing films now. You can’t imagine the width and the breadth of it all.

    “Of course it’s difficult, but why should it be easy? Why should it?

    “Then work at menial labor the way my mother did, who still speaks with a very thick [accent] to make it possible for the next generation to go to proper schools and learn the culture and the language.

    “I speak five languages. Learn to speak a language correctly. It’s not easy. By the way, you don’t have to.

    “How about this: If [Apple's voice-driven personal assistant] Siri can’t understand you, you’re in trouble.”

    He continued: “The more you learn to speak English and the more you know about American history, the more of an advantage you’ll have in this culture. There’s no other way. ‘Well, I don’t wanna learn about that. I’m proud only of Israeli culture and I only wanna speak Hebrew.’ You’re allowed to do that, but you won’t get the keys to the kingdom. That’s life.

    “It’s important to say that, because nobody has the balls to do it. So as somebody who wasn’t born here, I can damn well say all that and feel righteous about it, because nobody tells immigrants who come to America, ‘Look, do yourselves a favor. Stop watching predominantly your native culture’s television. More than not, learn to speak English and learn the people skills.'”

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  91. kowtow (8,522 comments) says:

    odaku

    Is that why we get such half arse apologies from the Nips?

    They’re getting ready to do Nanking again.

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  92. Nookin (3,354 comments) says:

    Stephieboy @ 12.36

    Forget about Spiro, then, huh?

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  93. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Re Odakyu-Sen at 1.01:

    What might to white Kiwis to be an act of weakness may appear to others to be an act of erasing the grounds for revenge and at the same time showing that the gloves are coming off.

    How does the Japanese reluctance to say sorry to Koreans and Chinese women (and Dutch women from Indonesia should be included in this) relate to this, Odakyu-sen? (Personally I think it gets into huge depths and complexities, like atomic bombs, and the carpet fire bombing of Hamburg, a city once so proud of its English ties, the mass rape of women in Berlin, and Nazi Germany’s vast unspeakable atrocities in Russia, Poland, and against the Jews everywhere).

    I concede inter-cultural apologies are tricky and fraught with hypocrisy, Odakyu-sen. That’s why I think we should not get into them, or at least not beyond a simple statement of sorry rather than staged ethnic events. However, if the police are yet again apologising for over-stepping the mark in the Tuhoe raids, shouldn’t the tatooed dwarf also apologise to NZ for blowing his nose on to the NZ flag, spitting on it, firing a shotgun into it, and generally insulting all and sundry with his flabby arse?

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  94. adc (595 comments) says:

    the universities know how well the affirmative action programs do.

    Last I heard, there was a disproportionate drop-out rate for affirmative action entries into Medical School. It’s not their fault – they were let in with lower grades based on their race, and so had a much more difficult time coming up to necessary standards. It’s not like you can compromise on standards for doctor training.

    Some get through though. It’s hard to know whether those needed affirmative action to get in in the first place or not.

    For those that drop out though, they effectively displaced (and messed around with the career path of) other non-minorities who would otherwise have got in. So that’s hardly fair on them.

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  95. Griff (7,807 comments) says:

    G152 (187 comments) says:
    August 13th, 2014 at 11:37 am

    Dennis
    Be back from my walk later. Then I have to carry on repairing a broken aircraft. But it’s nice to have something to look forward to…

    =========
    I hope that its a model

    Nope
    Jabiru J200 microlight
    Lucky crash-landing, failed take-off: plane crashes twice on NZ beach.

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  96. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    Kim Dotcom has been going round the country with a spiel that promotes his history and his brilliance. One of his claims is that he “invented cloud storage”.

    Unless it’s a part of undocumented history, Dotcom “invented cloud storage” is bollocks. What else is he exaggerating?

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  97. mandk (998 comments) says:

    Now that the cops have apologised to Tuhoe, can we expect Tuhoe to apologise to the family of James Takamore for stealing his body?

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  98. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “However, if the police are yet again apologising for over-stepping the mark in the Tuhoe raids, shouldn’t the tatooed dwarf also apologise to NZ for blowing his nose on to the NZ flag, spitting on it, firing a shotgun into it, and generally insulting all and sundry with his flabby arse?”

    Tame Iti is a civilian blowing off steam, the cops on the other hand are paid by the taxpayer to uphold the law not break it.

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  99. Griff (7,807 comments) says:

    As far as I am concerned the cops should not have gone in .
    Send the army locked and loaded next time.
    Terrorism is not ok

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  100. adc (595 comments) says:

    People have been storing files on the internet since the 1970s.

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  101. stephieboy (3,163 comments) says:

    Nookin, Spiro Agnew. ? Oh I forgot about him.
    Next. ?

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  102. G152 (349 comments) says:

    Nope
    Jabiru J200 microlight
    Lucky crash-landing, failed take-off: plane crashes twice on NZ beach…
    ======================

    Flew Mirages at Max Clears. Three engine failures and a precautionary landing all in one flight in some 20 hours

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  103. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Re consistent cop-critic jackinabox’s 1.36 post:

    Tame Iti insulted the whole country. The tattooed dwarf should apologise. The police overstepped the mark with a small group. The police said sorry. That was sufficient. Okay, but now they are apologising again. It becomes grovelling. They might as well kiss the tattooed dwarf’s flabby arse.

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  104. Manolo (13,837 comments) says:

    Will Laila appear listed once the service is launched in NZ?
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2613634/Forget-cards-phoneboxes-theres-app-Peppr-app-dubbed-Tinder-sex-workers-launches-Berlin-prostitution-legal.html

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  105. Manolo (13,837 comments) says:

    Excellent article from Lindsay Mitchell’s blog: http://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.co.nz/2014/08/new-zealands-war-on-poverty-is-same.html

    According to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, 72% of black children are born to single mothers.

    55% of black children live in single-parent homes, in contrast to 21% of white children that live in single-parent homes.

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  106. Nookin (3,354 comments) says:

    Stephieboy

    You may recall that Nixon was actually Eisenhower’s veep. I suspect that he did not have to work particularly hard for his money. I can remember seeing him on the back of the train during the campaign. He looked like something out of the mafia. I cannot remember if it was that occasion or another occasion but some wit disconnected the end carriage.
    Another intellectual giant of the political scene of this time was Dan Quayle who, as we speak is still pontificating the mind numbing mystery: is it “Tomarto” or is it “Tomayto”?

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  107. Nookin (3,354 comments) says:

    Should have been “…his time…”

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  108. kowtow (8,522 comments) says:

    Where is the outrage?

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/fleeing-child-abduction-slavery-rape-and-theft-in-iraq-1.1893921

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  109. Odakyu-sen (676 comments) says:

    Jack5

    This whole “apologize to Koreans and Chinese” for what happened in the 30s and 40s is a real tricky one for Japan. Part of the reluctance to take a German-like approach and apologize is that in doing so, in their mind it dishonors the Japanese soldiers who (at the time) seriously meant everything they did. (How can you honorably apologize for something that you really meant to do?). Secondly, it puts Japan in a weakened position that they fear the Chinese and Koreans will use to extract concessions.

    The Japanese don’t do or expect forgiveness (it’s a Christian thing). On the other hand, they were awfully glad to receive it from the Americans, which is something the Japanese have never forgotten.

    The Japanese people really need to find a way to improve relationships with Korea and China (but without putting themselves in a position of weakness).

    This one is going to take a very long time to play out.

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  110. kowtow (8,522 comments) says:

    How come they keep bleating on about the two big hot flashes over Hiroshima and nagasaki?

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  111. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The Japanese don’t do or expect forgiveness (it’s a Christian thing).

    The Muslims have something like a ledger approach to forgiveness: Forgive others for their sins against you and your receive forgiveness for your own sin.

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  112. Elaycee (4,393 comments) says:

    Calling Ugly / Yoda / all other conspiracy theorists:

    Did you hear the rumour that a dozen CIA operatives landed in Rotorua this morning? :D

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11308316

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  113. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    They’re here for Nicky Hager’s book launch tonight.

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  114. Manolo (13,837 comments) says:

    The Muslims have something like a ledger approach to forgiveness: Forgive others for their sins against you and your receive forgiveness for your own sin.

    They tell that to their chattels, I mean, wives.

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  115. Yoza (1,879 comments) says:

    iMP (2,284 comments) says:
    August 13th, 2014 at 9:19 am

    Meanwhile, the tens of thousands of Yazidis in Kurdistan/Iraq, surrounded by barbaric be-heading zealots (their victims include pregnant women and little christian children) have not heard from the Left, who are busy berating and harassing israel for being cosmopolitan and democratic and defending themselves from the 20,000 rockets shot at their civilians over the last 9 years.

    Yup, its a balanced world

    If ISIS are carrying out the horror stories reported in the MSM, and there is no real reason to suppose they are not, then they should be condemned. But, iMP, if the slaughter of women and children appalls you when carried out by extremists, how is it the slaughter of women and children perpetrated by cosmopolitan, democratic Israel’ is perfectly acceptable? You seem to be holding non-white desperados to a higher standard than the state of Israel, and don’t forget the ISIS nutters would also claim to be fighting a defensive battle.

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  116. kowtow (8,522 comments) says:

    yeah ugly ,there’s a whole lot of forgiveness going on in north Iraq and eastern Syria!

    Why does he fucken bother?

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  117. Elaycee (4,393 comments) says:

    They’re here for Nicky Hager’s book launch tonight.

    He wishes….. Besides, Hager’s book ‘launch’ is at Labour HQ in Willis Street, isn’t it? :lol:

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  118. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Unity Books…

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  119. stephieboy (3,163 comments) says:

    Yoza, what slaughter by Israelis.? This argument by equivalence is utterly bankrupt much like Holocaust deniers use Dresden as equivalent to the Nazi slaughter of Jews in Poland.

    There is no evidence the Israelis are willfully and intentionally killing or starving Gazans like the actions of ISIS in Iraq.!

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  120. Odakyu-sen (676 comments) says:

    How come they keep bleating on about the two big hot flashes over Hiroshima and nagasaki?

    Hey, the Japanese will play the victim card with the best of them when it suits them.

    Seriously though, this is another very complex issue in Japanese society. Certain left-leaning groups play the atomic bombings up in order to counter what they fear are the moves by the hawks to amend the Japanese pacifist Constitution and rearm. (I mean really rearm.)

    As for me personally, I can say to you all here today that my children would not have been born if Little Boy and Fat Man had not done their dreadful work. And for that I am grateful.

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  121. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I read something a few years ago that said every time a 1945 resident of Hiroshima or Nagasaki passes away the death toll for the bombings is adjusted accordingly.

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  122. Manolo (13,837 comments) says:

    Incredible! I just gave stephieboy an uptick for his sensible comment on Israel and ISIS. :-)

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  123. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    This argument by equivalence is utterly bankrupt much like Holocaust deniers use Dresden as equivalent to the Nazi slaughter of Jews in Poland.

    Indeed, they’re not equivalent at all. One involves killing particular classes of individuals, the other involves killing everyone and everything within the biggest radius the available firepower can arrange. So, not equivalent, but neither one strikes you as having been planned and perpetrated by top blokes.

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  124. Longknives (4,764 comments) says:

    Manolo- I find a stiff drink will ease your mind. I felt the same shame and confusion when I gave Judith an uptick once…

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  125. Fletch (6,408 comments) says:

    R.I.P Lauren Bacall.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/12/showbiz/lauren-bacall-dead/index.html

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  126. tom hunter (4,894 comments) says:

    I’m amazed that in the age of Joe Biden we’re still referring to Dan Quayle. I laughed at him too, but Biden is Quayle on stilts.

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  127. Longknives (4,764 comments) says:

    Dime- I too love Gene Simmons

    “The one percent pays 80 percent of all taxes. Fifty percent of the population of the U.S. pays no taxes,” he argued. “The one percent provides all the jobs for everybody else. If the one percent didn’t exist, there would be chaos and the American economy would drop dead. Try being nice to rich people. I don’t remember the last poor person who gave me a job.”

    Remember that Geno’s family were Concentration Camp survivors who came to America with nothing…Bloody legend!

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  128. Ryan Sproull (7,205 comments) says:

    “The one percent provides all the jobs for everybody else. If the one percent didn’t exist, there would be chaos and the American economy would drop dead. Try being nice to rich people. I don’t remember the last poor person who gave me a job.”

    “The emperor provides all the jobs for everybody else. If the emperor didn’t exist, there would be chaos and the empire’s economy would drop dead. Try being nice to the emperor. I don’t remember the last slave who gave me a job.”

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  129. Longknives (4,764 comments) says:

    Not a Kiss fan then Ryan?
    Figures….

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  130. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    @patrickgowernz

    Hager book is about attack politics not Snowden leaks

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  131. Odakyu-sen (676 comments) says:

    The Emperor provides nothing. You are confusing the aristocracy and the “ticket clippers” for the businessmen who nurture the seedlings of enterprise on which the people and government graze.

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  132. Ryan Sproull (7,205 comments) says:

    The Emperor provides nothing. You are confusing the aristocracy and the “ticket clippers” for the businessmen who nurture the seedlings of enterprise on which the people and government graze.

    Nurturing is work. That’s fine. Businessmen doing work to build businesses aren’t the only ones in those businesses working, but they’re working.

    But our economy doesn’t reward the 1% for working – they are rewarded for owning. And that’s far more aristocratic than meritocratic.

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  133. ShawnLH (5,285 comments) says:

    Nothing the Israeli’s are doing comes remotely close to what ISIS is doing, and it is telling that Nazi boy Yowza can barely bring himself to condemn them.

    Most anti-Israeli nutters like Yowza do not care about the issue they claim, the suffering and deaths of Palestinians. The Palestinians are just pawns for their hatred for Israel.

    The fact that the suffering of Palestinians is entirely due to the surrounding Arab nations using them as pawns, and Iran’s puppet HAMAS, does not enter their tiny, hate filled minds.

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  134. ShawnLH (5,285 comments) says:

    The issue of the Palestinians could have been solved decades ago, but this did not suit the Arabs who wanted the suffering of Palestinians to continue as an excuse for their stand against Israel’s right to exist.

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  135. Ross12 (1,432 comments) says:

    I heard Cunliffe on radio before saying he thinks Hager’s book could be about WhaleOil / Slater’s connection to the National Party.
    He was serious !! ( or if he meant it as a joke he certainly does not know how to express something as a joke)

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  136. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    Hager’s book is about Dirty politics during the Key years, in particular targeting Jason Ede, Cameron Slater and also DPF. Based on leaked/obtained correspondence between Slater and National MPs and staff.

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  137. Ross12 (1,432 comments) says:

    Well according to Fairfax, Cunliffe is right about Hager and it is not just Whale Oil but also Kiwiblog/ DPF who is involved in helping “play dirty politics”

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  138. Nostradamus (3,344 comments) says:

    Judith:

    I see this thread, which was originally about the Crewes, has now (as is often the case on Kiwiblog) become a thread about David Bain.

    Rowan and Nostalgia-NZ seem to be fighting a rear-guard action against Muggins and Stephieboy.

    The thread has, so far, only attracted 262 comments – which is considerably below-par for a thread that contains discussion about Bain.

    So, in the interests of helping out Rowan and Nostalgia-NZ, and rectifying the comment count, you’d better hurry over and share your thoughts!

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  139. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Hager used alleged National Party emails likely hacked by a leftist gone rogue in the GCSB, and used them to politically undermine hapless Don Brash.

    What a bloody hypocrite when he now alleges hacking by National allies, and attacks the allegations.

    Hager the Horrible is a Leftist whose strong support within the media demonstrates the Leftist drift of NZ’s MSM.

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  140. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    Hager’s book is about Dirty politics during the Key years, in particular targeting Jason Ede, Cameron Slater and also DPF. Based on leaked/obtained correspondence between Slater and National MPs and staff.

    I think it’s laughable that he has focussed only on National links. The previous government had an infamous “research unit” whose job it was to dig dirt on National members, and links between people in the media (including blogs) is hardly a National only phenomenon. Oh, and of course “attack politics” is only a problem now that NATIONAL is in government… *rolls eyes*

    If there is an inappropriate use of SIS data (as alleged on Nat Radio) then that is obviously wrong and heads should roll.

    But otherwise, any pretence that Hager might have had of being a non-partisan actor has now evaporated in my view.

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  141. FeralScrote (220 comments) says:

    oh ma gawd… Hager has evidence that politicians *gasp* …well …act like politicians .

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  142. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Now watch David Cunliffe twist the knife as John Key is proven to be in cahoots with a man who mocks the dead.

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  143. Griff (7,807 comments) says:

    With the resent moderation binge The banning and deleting of posts on whale will we get a flood of ex blubber head posters?

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  144. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Farrar is implicated in the book.

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  145. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    @BrookSabin – Hager says Slater blackmailed Rodney Hide to stand down.

    Felix Geiringer @BarristerNZ
    To embarrass @phil_goff, it seems @johnkeypm told @Whaleoil to OIA classified docs, declassified them, and expedited release

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  146. labrator (1,850 comments) says:

    Our economy doesn’t reward the 1% for working – they are rewarded for owning. And that’s far more aristocratic than meritocratic.

    How do you apply this rule to someone like Xero’s Rody Drury? Xero did not exist 8 years ago.

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  147. EAD (1,128 comments) says:

    They should target Slater for running a blog dominated by a bunch of totalitarian group-think bores (laughably called “moderators”).

    It’s a bit like what the below article describes whereby if you depart from received orthodoxy as told by the politicians on subjects such as “global warming”, then you must be pilloried.

    There is nothing worse than people who profess to love free markets via the actions of autonomous individuals, nevertheless try and implement the Statist solution of top down control.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/official-public-discourse-in-america-censorship-and-orwellian-double-think-publicity-of-the-unspeakable/5394971

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  148. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson (6.00 post): Sorry-Sorry Cunliffe isn’t up to twisting the knife in anybody.

    You don’t think he can now man up, after apologising for being a man, do you Tom.

    Hager the Horrible has just conned the leftist MSM into boosting into a few score thousand sales of his book of hackery. A hack on hackers. Great reading for Leftist conspiracy nut cases. Through book sales, Hager will suck tens, perhaps hundreds, of thousands of dollars from these dumb fuckers.

    Buy one Tom! Don’t just bludge a read from your library.

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  149. Yoza (1,879 comments) says:

    stephieboy (2,362 comments) says:
    August 13th, 2014 at 3:32 pm

    There is no evidence the Israelis are willfully and intentionally killing or starving Gazans like the actions of ISIS in Iraq.!

    Completely untrue, in fact there is so much evidence Israel has committed crimes against humanity, in its latest onslaught on Gaza, the UN has convened a probe to consider the allegations put forth.

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  150. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson: Sorry-Sorry Cunliffe isn’t up to twisting the knife in anybody.

    None of you get it. The Prime Minister’s office supplied Cameron Slater with information from SIS documents in order to co-ordinate an account on Phil Goff in the 2011 election.

    The Prime Minister’s office was using SIS information to which it was privy for political attack purposes and supplying that information to a blogger.

    The Prime Minister’s office has been involved in hacking Labour Party computers.

    The latter is a crime. Pretty sure the former is too.

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  151. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson says at 6:00 pm

    “Now watch David Cunliffe twist the knife as John Key is proven to be in cahoots with a man who mocks the dead.”

    Nobody gives a sh!t.
    Except the left wing MSM and especially the future labour candidate Corin Dann at the Labour channel.

    TV3 and TVNZ are Green Party and Labour Party publicity channels.
    Who cares about two blogs?
    Or is the MSM running scared?

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  152. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Tom, 6.11:

    And Hager was likely using GCSB-stolen documents (by a leftist on the staff gone rogue) in his attack on the Brash-led National Party.

    Hager uses hacked or pinched National Party communications, now alleges Whale uses similar tactics. Hypocrite!

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  153. ex-golfer (165 comments) says:

    Party activists help political campaigns?
    Well shock, horror.
    Is. That. It ?

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  154. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    “The latter is a crime.”

    You mean Hager had evidence of a crime and didn’t report it to police? Isn’t that some sort of… crime?

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  155. Yoza (1,879 comments) says:

    Jack5 (4,687 comments) says:
    August 13th, 2014 at 6:08 pm

    Buy one Tom! Don’t just bludge a read from your library.

    I’ll be buying one. Nicky Hager has a history of being very thorough.

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  156. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    “the UN has convened a probe to consider the allegations put forth”

    Ha ha ha ha, the UN who have been aiding and abetting Hamas. They’re just Jew haters.

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  157. chiz (1,145 comments) says:

    Uglytruth:

    So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want “wiped from the map”? The answer is: nothing. That’s because the word “map” was never used. The Persian word for map, “nagsheh” is not contained anywhere in his original Farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase “wipe out” ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran’s president threatened to “wipe Israel off the map.” despite never having uttered the words “map.” “wipe out” or even “Israel.”

    The expression “wiped from the map” is an idiom. Idioms can’t be translated on a word for word basis.

    The claim that Ahmidininutjob threatened to wipe Isreal from the map was started by the Iranians themselves – by IRNA, their news agency, and it has been confirmed by other native Farsi speakers.

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  158. duggledog (1,559 comments) says:

    What Other Andy said.

    John Key can distance himself from this. If not I reckon he’ll be able to deal with it and swat it away like a fly. It’s going to mean another tiresome drive across from Parnell to Flower Street for another slap to Campbell.

    It’s not going to work Hager – not this time. All the very best for 2017 though!

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  159. James Stephenson (2,191 comments) says:

    @PG – to embarrass the Phil Goff that leaked details of a confidential meeting to embarrass Don Brash, breaching public service neutrality and again with leaked cabinet docs? That Phil Goff?

    Who is person A?

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  160. Yoza (1,879 comments) says:

    RightNow (6,712 comments) says:
    August 13th, 2014 at 6:18 pm

    [Yoza]“the UN has convened a probe to consider the allegations put forth”

    Ha ha ha ha, the UN who have been aiding and abetting Hamas. They’re just Jew haters.

    You do know Israel is a member of the UN?

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  161. Nostradamus (3,344 comments) says:

    Yoza:

    … the UN has convened a probe to consider the allegations put forth.

    What sort of “probe” exactly – an anal probe for tinfoil hat wearers?

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  162. questions (208 comments) says:

    Other_Andy (2,403 comments) says:

    Nobody gives a sh!t.

    Bit early to be calling that Timmy!

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  163. ShawnLH (5,285 comments) says:

    “Completely untrue, in fact there is so much evidence Israel has committed crimes against humanity,”

    No Yoza, there is no evidence, there IS evidence that ISIS has, but beyond a “tut, tut, now lets get back to Israel bashing” you don’t care about, so you don’t care about crimes against humanity.

    ” in its latest onslaught on Gaza, the UN has convened a probe to consider the allegations put forth.”

    Yes, CONSIDER, but no probe on ISIS. Why? Because the UN is provably biased. It’s so-called “human rights” office has often been under the control of totalitarian Arab states. It’s a joke.

    You’re not fooling anyone Nazi boy, apart from fellow Nazi’s Ugly and Reid. You a Jew hating racist. Nothing more. You’re no better and morally no different to an SS concentration camp guard.

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  164. Julian (178 comments) says:

    Gower was stifling laughter at how pathetic Hager’s book is.

    Certain bloggers – who consistently disclose their National party links – have connections within the National party.

    OH MY GOD.

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  165. oldpark (338 comments) says:

    Hagers bombshell according to a guy from the Labour Party Channel TVNZ,the guy looked liked he would cream his jeans with apoplexy and orgasm.the bombshell(,zzz).The TVNZ guy should retire as the clown of the Channel,or even get a life.

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  166. Southern Raider (1,831 comments) says:

    Is this the Labour parties weapon of mass destruction for this election?

    They may look more like Wiley Coyote

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  167. lilman (960 comments) says:

    Seriously is it a revelation that politics are dirty?
    Actually think this is news?
    All week we have seen crap flying all around and now a book comes out and say its a dirty game.

    God how pathetic,they call this news.

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  168. Than (475 comments) says:

    Hager’s book is about Dirty politics during the Key years, in particular targeting Jason Ede, Cameron Slater and also DPF. Based on leaked/obtained correspondence between Slater and National MPs and staff.

    Is that it?

    Cameron Slater communicates with John Key, sometimes via his staff. They both want to keep Labour out of government and dig dirt on them. And in other breaking news, water is wet. This is seriously weak. It provides more specifics, but for something we already vaguely knew was happening. There is nothing new or surprising in this.

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  169. ShawnLH (5,285 comments) says:

    “Gaza: Hypocrisy Exposed”

    “UNHRC Chief Navi Pillay cited cases of Israeli air strikes and shells hitting homes and hospitals in Gaza, declaring that “These are just a few examples where there seems to be a strong possibility that international humanitarian law has been violated, in a manner that would amount to war crimes.” Pillay chose to ignore the fact that Hamas has stored rockets in homes, hospitals, and even UNRWA (United Nations Relief and Works Agency) schools, the very same schools funded by the U.S. and EU, that teach hatred of Israel and Jews.”

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/joseph-puder/gaza-hypocrisy-exposed/

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  170. ShawnLH (5,285 comments) says:

    UN, Israel & Anti-Semitism.

    “An alien observing the United Nations’ debates, reading its resolutions, and walking its halls could well conclude that a principal purpose of the world body is to censure a tiny country called Israel.”

    http://www.unwatch.org/site/c.bdKKISNqEmG/b.1359197/k.6748/UN_Israel__AntiSemitism.htm

    Australia is right to challenge the UN’s anti-Israel bias

    “The UN’s treatment of the Arab-Israeli conflict needs greater balance. Its one-sidedness against Israel is a disservice both to Israel and the Palestinian cause.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/28/australia-is-right-to-challenge-the-uns-anti-israel-bias

    It should be noted that when even the reliably Left wing and normally anti-Israel Guardian Newspaper is admitting the UN’s anti-Israel bias, then fringe anti-Semitic nutjobs like Yoza are not in touch with reality.

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  171. Ross12 (1,432 comments) says:

    If Gower is not convinced then Hager has lost.

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  172. duggledog (1,559 comments) says:

    Yoza, don’t start gloating just yet.

    I won’t be buying one, I’ll use the money to buy some frozen peas, but I’ll be buying you a beer if this makes any kind of difference to the outcome on 21 September. Do you drink beer? I’d say you smoke pot, or drink chardonnay.

    Problem for Hager is two fold: one, the range of this particular missile looks like it’s going to fall short by about 3 kilometres and two; Nicky’s brand is too well known now and old. I don’t think he has the potency any more. Actually three-fold, like I said above, John Key will take a quick piss on this fire and put it out.

    Remember Gower & co would have asked Hager to bullet point the really awesome bits for the 6 pm news, they sure gave it a big sell on 3 News, Hager said it was going to freak the shit out of everybody but I was more surprised to learn Muslims are still murdering for religious reasons in the Middle East today

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  173. EAD (1,128 comments) says:

    Judging by the vitriol, it looks like Hager’s book will keep the ol’ Red Team vs. Blue Team illusion of choice going that little bit longer.

    Quick, pick the blue team to rule over you for the next 3 years, you wouldn’t want the red team implementing the same policies as the blue team would ya :)

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  174. Nostradamus (3,344 comments) says:

    Vicious beating for drug debt

    James Kevin Hogan believes that his latest jail term for inflicting a drug debt beating could be a life sentence.

    “My doctor told me I would not have much life left after I turned 40. I’ve always been a chronic asthmatic. For 30 years I’ve been a chain smoker. I’ve got holes in my lungs and half a liver, and I’ve got emphysema. I had a heart attack in custody seven weeks ago,” the 43-year-old told the judge at the Christchurch District today.

    A jury found Hogan guilty of armed burglary and Judge Jane Farish sentenced him to six years and nine months in prison.

    Hogan had gone as part of a group of three to the victim’s address to enforce payment for a drug debt.

    He used a metal bar or police baton to break the man’s finger and wrist, bruise his arms and cause a deep cut to his scalp. The man was seated in an armchair during the beating.

    Judge Farish … allowed some reduction [in the term of prison sentence] for his remorse and his health problems.

    She told Hogan: “Emphysema is a nasty disease and is almost certain to limit your life expectancy.”

    Coping with the condition in prison would not be pleasant, but she was sure that the prison had adequate medical services to provide for Hogan’s needs.

    What a delightful chap – worried about his own medical condition but, clearly, not at all concerned about the victim’s physical wellbeing.

    The victim was outnumbered and “seated in an armchair during the beating”.

    Just imagine if the victim had actually been able to defend himself.

    In that situation, Hogan might have needed to use a greater degree of physical aggression in order to overcome the victim, and – heaven forbid – he might have had an asthma attack. Then the judge would have needed to knock off another year or two from the term of his prison sentence.

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  175. ShawnLH (5,285 comments) says:

    The Hager book will be a joke, as they always are, and make zero difference to the election.

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  176. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    You will have examples of Hager’s mistakes to handthen Shawn?

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  177. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    Mr Farrar pass on to your paymaster that at this moment im wearing blue jockeys and ps some of your posts REALLY look they come from nationals war room,going to read the book and hope snowden does the dead and posts our yank loving pms dirty deeds,

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  178. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The expression “wiped from the map” is an idiom. Idioms can’t be translated on a word for word basis.

    By translating the “regime” to Israel the translators introduced ambiguity. Removing the regime has a very different meaning to “Wipe Israel off the map”.

    The claim that Ahmidininutjob threatened to wipe Isreal from the map was started by the Iranians themselves – by IRNA, their news agency, and it has been confirmed by other native Farsi speakers.

    If it was a mistake it played right into the Zionists’ hands.

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  179. ShawnLH (5,285 comments) says:

    It’s common knowledge that Whale Oil and Kiwiblog are pro-National. It’s common knowledge that DPF and Cam are in the National party.

    Someone had to write a book telling us this?????

    LMAO! :) :) :)

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  180. Nostradamus (3,344 comments) says:

    Lurcher1948:

    at this moment im wearing blue jockeys

    Yes, but Lurcher, they’re blue tempered with brown skid marks.

    Did you soak them in Janola liquid bleach before putting them on?

    Laundry Tip#1: Whites

    When your whites feature coloured stains or yellow ageing, you start to feel a little blue. But Janola Liquid Bleach can wipe the slate clean. Just mix 200ml with a litre of water, add it to your top loader washing machine at the end of the fill cycle, then wash normally.

    The things the Kiwiblog community do for you!

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  181. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The Hager book will be a joke, as they always are, and make zero difference to the election.

    And what’s the bet you think that you won last night’s argument as well?

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  182. ShawnLH (5,285 comments) says:

    “By translating the “regime” to Israel the translators introduced ambiguity. Removing the regime has a very different meaning to “Wipe Israel off the map”.”

    Bullshit. The meaning was and is clear UglyNazi. Stop telling lies, and stop hiding the fact that your a Muslim. If you have not got the shred of courage to be honest about that, you have no credibility.

    Actually, you have no credibility anyway.

    Come on Ugly Nazi, how about another post from the web site claiming aliens on the Moon and the earth being hollow and the Illuminaiti conspiracy! Those are fun! :)

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  183. ex-golfer (165 comments) says:

    Labour lickspittle Corrin Dann breathlessly advises on an expensive One News “live-cross” that Hagar “reveals” Cameron Slater obtained the Labour party membership list and credit card details of people who had paid subscriptions.

    Was he under a rock when Slater blogged extensively about this at the time?

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  184. ShawnLH (5,285 comments) says:

    “And what’s the bet you think that you won last night’s argument as well?”

    Easily. That’s why you ran away like the snivelling gutless coward you are. :)

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  185. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    I bet my fluffy slippers that the only losers in the next few days will be the public of NZ, who will of course be totally forgotten as author and politicians both try to protect their smelly butts.

    Time for open and transparent government – that way nothing can ever be misinterpreted. I have no idea of whether there is any truth in the allegations or not – but I believe a political environment that is dominated by secrecy allows for suspicion.

    This is sad for all involved – and especially for Kiwis!

    Pity the Courts couldn’t slap a silence order on all of them, and let us go to the polls without hearing another word from any party, politician or campaigner. It’s got ridiculous.

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  186. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Hager needs a makeover. His wimpish face just doesn’t sell books.

    He needs to get a serious jaw job and then learn to suck on a pipe in a very reflective manner! :)

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  187. ShawnLH (5,285 comments) says:

    “You will have examples of Hager’s mistakes to handthen Shawn?”

    He’s a far left activist. Case closed.

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  188. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/08/general_debate_12_august_2014.html#comment-1379310

    For those of you who don’t want to troll through screeds of religious debate, here’s the skinny version: My position is that Paul lied to King Agrippa (Acts 26) to make himself look more important, and that this is one of several lines of evidence that show Paul to be a narcissist. Shawn’s version is that the witnesses who were with Paul on the road to Damascus didn’t hear the voice clearly, and the message was for Paul alone. Shawn’s position implies that Luke misrepresented Paul’s account in Acts 9 to make it look like the account of events didn’t come from Paul, but Shawn agrees with me that Luke did not misrepresent the facts.

    Shawn’s strategy as this point was to introduce irrelevancies and fall back to the “God’s Word” argument, which reduces to circular reasoning based on a fallacy.

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  189. ShawnLH (5,285 comments) says:

    Nobody cares UglyNazi.

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  190. chiz (1,145 comments) says:

    Uglytruth:

    By translating the “regime” to Israel the translators introduced ambiguity. Removing the regime has a very different meaning to “Wipe Israel off the map”.

    [....]

    If it was a mistake it played right into the Zionists’ hands.

    Again, there was no mistake. The expression used in the original Farsi doesn’t have an exact translation in English, but Farsi speakers have confirmed that “wiping from the map” is better than anything else. Native speakers have confirmed that Ahmidininutjob was threatening Israel.

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  191. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    So no examples then Shawn. You really should read one or two of his books and make up your own mind. He is generally a very meticulous researcher.

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  192. RF (1,404 comments) says:

    We must not forget that the left and its dirty tricks brigade are shirt lifters. Their comments are not worth reading as they live in dream land.

    Go National.

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  193. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    Nostradamus (2,990 comments) says:
    August 13th, 2014 at 6:42 pm
    Lurcher1948:

    at this moment im wearing blue jockeys

    Yes, but Lurcher, they’re blue tempered with brown skid marks.

    Did you soak them in Janola liquid bleach before putting them on?

    Laundry Tip#1: Whites

    When your whites feature coloured stains or yellow ageing, you start to feel a little blue. But Janola Liquid Bleach can wipe the slate clean. Just mix 200ml with a litre of water, add it to your top loader washing machine at the end of the fill cycle, then wash normally.

    The things the Kiwiblog community do for you!

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    VERY GOOD REPLY thanks kiwiblog, but im proud i dont do wet farts, pass that on to Farrar and slater, fuck slaters a fuckwit on NewstalkZB, the lardball depressant is ITS ALL ABOUT ME a real nutbar

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  194. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Time you wrote a book Judith! :)

    I see it as a serious tome of your stress as a Mother of Five piloting an over powered set of wheels versus your life as a suffragette fighting the forces of darkness to bring happiness to the crims of Aotearoa such as Nosta! :)

    I’m certain we’ll all buy a signed first edition! :)

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  195. Griff (7,807 comments) says:

    A religious wing nut debates a tinfoil protected moonbat On the interpretation of obscure bible passages.
    Who won?
    Shrugs
    My scroll finger hurts.

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  196. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Again, there was no mistake.

    So why was it mistranslated to “Israel”?

    Native speakers have confirmed that Ahmidininutjob was threatening Israel.

    Based only on the IRNA mistranslation?

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  197. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    *Drops a coin in lurcher’s cup* :)

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  198. ShawnLH (5,285 comments) says:

    ” He is generally a very meticulous researcher.”

    LMAO! Seriously Mike?

    The hollowness of the Hollow Men.

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/the_hollowness_of_the_hollow_men.html

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  199. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    How can I get four downtrows for calling Hager a sad looking little wimp?

    I mean here he is!

    https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=nicky+hager&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=-wzrU6TWGMuIogSt7YDABg&sqi=2&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1512&bih=916

    He makes Russel Norman look like a mans man! :)

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  200. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Nobody cares UglyNazi.

    Uptick if you think Shawn is lying.
    Downtick is you think Shawn is truthful.

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  201. Griff (7,807 comments) says:

    Ignore if you dont give a fuck.

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  202. thedavincimode (6,800 comments) says:

    Cutting to the chase again grief? :lol:

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  203. Northland Wahine (667 comments) says:

    JB, he looks like he needs a shag. Rent out one of your ewes.

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  204. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    9 nil in 9 seconds looks fucking impressive to me Griff! :)

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  205. stephieboy (3,163 comments) says:

    Yoza (1,607 comments) says:
    August 13th, 2014 at 6:09 pm

    Israeli alleged war crimes from our Judge, Jury and executioner in residence .!

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  206. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    Sorry UT but it looks like you’re once again the runner up. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/j3jkt8wwxmpca2x/UT%209.jpg

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  207. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    Slater paid to blog for tobacco industry
    Taxpayers Union not apolitical
    So what does this reveal that we don’t already know?
    We know about Dunne , it was in the Lancet.
    Written by PR team, signed by WO.
    Get out of bed a video Sir WP pissed.
    Slater under a log.

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  208. thedavincimode (6,800 comments) says:

    He makes Russel Norman look like a mans man!

    Steady on JB

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  209. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    I thought Russel was shagging-what’s-er-names sister NW?

    She obviously has no taste! :)

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  210. thedavincimode (6,800 comments) says:

    Rent out one of your ewes

    Even johnboy’s ewes have standards NW.

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  211. ShawnLH (5,285 comments) says:

    “He makes Russel Norman look like a mans man!”

    Well at least he has one impressive feat to his name Johnboy! :)

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  212. chiz (1,145 comments) says:

    Uglytruth:

    So why was it mistranslated to “Israel”?

    Presumably because it was clear from the adjacent sentences which country he was referring to.

    Native speakers have confirmed that Ahmidininutjob was threatening Israel.

    Based only on the IRNA mistranslation?

    No. No. No. There are native Farsi speakers who have confirmed what Ahmidininutjob was saying. They don’t need to rely on an english translation. They don’t need to rely on Juan Cole’s take. They can go directly to the source.

    And stop claiming that IRNA mistranslated him.

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  213. ShawnLH (5,285 comments) says:

    “And stop claiming that IRNA mistranslated him.”

    It’s just Ugly lying again. :)

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  214. Northland Wahine (667 comments) says:

    Thank you Campbell for highlighting how bat shit crazy Hager is. Like The Greens, Dotcom, Peters or Cunliff need any help to look like a collection of fools.

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  215. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    A religious wing nut debates a tinfoil protected moonbat On the interpretation of obscure bible passages.

    Actaully it’s not that obscure. Paul’s experience on the road to Damascus, which left him temporarily blinded and ended his career as a persecutor of the disciples, is one of the landmark stories of the Bible. Paul was the author of a number of the books which make up the Christian Bible.

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  216. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    All my sheep have won the Lanolin Institutes Supreme Prize for slipperiness for the last ten years thedavincimode! :)

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  217. Southern Raider (1,831 comments) says:

    Would be interesting to know how much more the world could have done for the Yazardis if the UN hadn’t been so focused on the non events in Gaza.

    Personal accounts of ISIS beheading civilians, but no better to focus on Israel

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  218. ShawnLH (5,285 comments) says:

    “Thank you Campbell for highlighting how bat shit crazy Hager is.”

    John Campbell? If so I might break my usual rule and watch it on +1.

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  219. Southern Raider (1,831 comments) says:

    Oh god. John Campbell is going to interview Hager.

    Anyone else think JC is going to cream himself?

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  220. ShawnLH (5,285 comments) says:

    “Would be interesting to know how much more the world could have done for the Yazardis if the UN hadn’t been so focused on the non events in Gaza.”

    Exactly. The Yarzidi people have been thrown under the bus by the UN. A real crime against humanity ignored because of anti-Israel bias.

    You can thank the Yoza’s and Ugly’s of the world for that.

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  221. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    He makes Russel Norman look like a mans man!

    I’m pretty sure Norman is more of a woman’s man. Are you thinking of Grant Robertson, maybe?

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  222. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Burying women and children alive seems too topical SR?

    Perhaps we should be selling knife sharpeners to the Islamic shit so they can at least show their victims the small mercy of cutting their throats first?

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  223. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    No. No. No. There are native Farsi speakers who have confirmed what Ahmidininutjob was saying.

    Got a link for that?

    And stop claiming that IRNA mistranslated him.

    How is “wipe Israel of the map” not a mistranslation?
    Israel can mean Israel the people, Israel the nation, or Israel the state/regime.

    The full quote translated directly to English:

    “The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time”.

    Word by word translation:

    Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-wiped-off-the-map-the-rumor-of-the-century-fabricated-by-the-us-media-to-justify-an-all-out-war-on-iran/21188

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  224. thedavincimode (6,800 comments) says:

    Paul’s cunners’ experience on the road to Damascus, which left him temporarily blinded and ended his career as a persecutor of front man for the disciples, is one of the landmark stories of the Bible liebore party. Paul cunners was the author of a number of the books lies which make up the Christian liebore Bible.

    Just bringing things up to date.

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  225. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Perhaps as a chap who obviously swings whatever way you could enlighten us PM! :)

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  226. ex-golfer (165 comments) says:

    John Campbell surprised me – he certainly grilled Hagar about how “light” his book is.
    And Hagar had no response.

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  227. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    “And stop claiming that IRNA mistranslated him.”

    It’s just Ugly lying again.

    How is “wipe Israel of the map” not a mistranslation?
    Israel can mean Israel the people, Israel the nation, or Israel the state/regime.

    The full quote translated directly to English:

    “The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time”.

    Word by word translation:

    Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-wiped-off-the-map-the-rumor-of-the-century-fabricated-by-the-us-media-to-justify-an-all-out-war-on-iran/21188

    “That’s why you ran away like the snivelling gutless coward you are.” ~ ShawnLH, in reference to this debate.

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  228. chiz (1,145 comments) says:

    Uglytruth:

    Got a link for that?

    Not offhand, and I’m heading out in a moment. The BBC on one of their editorial blogs looked into this question and spoke to their Farsi unit about how to translate him. I’ve posted the link before but can’t be bothered trying to find it again. A year or or so ago I saw an MP from the German Green Party speaking about this issue on DW TV. He was born in Iran, from memory.

    The full quote translated directly to English:

    “The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time”.

    Word by word translation

    Again. Word by word translations are irrelevant when dealing with idioms. The “regime occupying Jerusalem” is a pretty clear reference to Israel, the country, and a pretty clear clue to the speaker’s stance even without the reference to it being made to disappear.

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  229. ShawnLH (5,285 comments) says:

    Hagar is a member of the tin foil hat brigade. His nonsense would fit one of Ugly’s conspiracy blogs perfectly.

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  230. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Again. Word by word translations are irrelevant when dealing with idioms.

    The idiom isn’t the issue, the introduction of ambiguity is.

    The “regime occupying Jerusalem” is a pretty clear reference to Israel, the country

    Don’t be stupid. A regime is not a country. A regime is intangible just like a state is, and a regime or state is not essential for society to function.

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  231. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    And in other breaking news….

    Labour politicians leak data to The Standard!

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  232. oldpark (338 comments) says:

    The smear campaign by Hager and TVNZ supporters club seems to have backfired on the person called Nicky, and his number one supporter from TVNZ .the whole thing has become the joke of the week.Even the guy from TV3 called Campbell interviewing Hager ,his eyes were seen to glaze over when Hager tried to make a mountain out of a molehill.Seems the guy with a cissys, name will have to get some more emails falling of a truck before he can fool all of the people who want to be fooled.The Labour Party Channel TVNZ where Labour Party meetings were held, are still whacking away at the fantasy,from fantasyland.

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  233. Southern Raider (1,831 comments) says:

    Looked like a sorry arsed bunch of liberals self congratulating themselves at the book store on the news while lining up to get Nicky’s book.

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  234. ShawnLH (5,285 comments) says:

    Speaking of conspiracies, has anyone else noticed the recent influx of a whole bunch of posters with only a few posts behind them, who sound suspiciously like people from the Stranded?

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  235. chiz (1,145 comments) says:

    The idiom isn’t the issue, the introduction of ambiguity is.

    There is no ambiguity. He was threatening Israel. Everybody, apart from Juan Cole, understands this. His countries own news agency understood him. The BBC Farsi speakers understood him. Someone up-thread gave examples of people in Iran who also understood him. Quibbles about the choice of idiom used to express that threat don’t change the fact that there was a threat.

    Don’t be stupid. A regime is not a country.

    From the point of view of rabid holocaust-denying Israel-haters like Ahmedininutjob it is. Do you even know what rhetoric is?

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  236. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    ….”recent influx of a whole bunch of posters with only a few posts behind them, who sound suspiciously like people from the Stranded”…..

    They’re refugees Shawn…..TS has gone to the dogs. :)

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  237. Southern Raider (1,831 comments) says:

    Chiz there is no point trying to talk logic to UT.

    From his perspective having 30,000 Christians stuck up a mountain under the threat of genocide is merely an inconvenience as it takes the UNs focus off Israel

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  238. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Fascinating logic, SR. Sounds like something ShawnLH would say.

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  239. ShawnLH (5,285 comments) says:

    Chiz,

    UglyNazi will get you bogged down in what the meaning of the word “is” is. It’s one of his standard dishonest tactics. Of course most of the world, and even many Iranians, new exactly what he said and meant.

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  240. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    There is no ambiguity.

    As I’ve pointed out before, the ambiguity in the mistranslation of Ahmadinejad’s words is the word “Israel”.

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  241. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    UglyNazi will get you bogged down in what the meaning of the word “is” is. It’s one of his standard dishonest tactics.

    “That’s why you ran away like the snivelling gutless coward you are.” ~ ShawnLH, in reference to this debate.

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  242. Black with a Vengeance (1,865 comments) says:

    Booyakasha innit !!!

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  243. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    A lawn bowler was involved in a terrible car crash and was rushed to hospital.

    Just before he was put under, the surgeon popped in to see him and says “I have some good news and some bad news”. “The bad news is that I have to remove your right arm!”

    “Oh God no!” cries the man “My bowling is over! Please Doc, what’s the good news?” Doc “The good news is, I have another one to replace it with, but it’s a woman’s arm.

    I’ll need your permission before I go ahead with the transplant”. “Go for it doc” says the man. “As long as I can play bowls again”.

    The operation went well and a year later the man was out on the local bowls green when he bumped into the surgeon. “G’day mate, how’s the new arm?” asks the surgeon.

    “Just great” says the man. “I’m playing the best bowls of my life. My new arm has a much finer touch and my draw bowls have really improved”. “That’s great” said the surgeon.

    “Not only that” continued the bowler “My handwriting has improved, I’ve learned how to sew my own clothes and I’ve even taken up painting landscapes in water colours”. “Unbelievable!” said the surgeon “I’m so glad to hear the transplant was such a great success. Are you having any side effects?”

    “Well, just one problem” said the bowler “Every time I get an erection, I also get a headache”.

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  244. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    My ol’ mate Off White With an Attitude.

    How’s it swinging! :)

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  245. Southern Raider (1,831 comments) says:

    Maybe UT would like to explain whenever Israel is hauled in front of the UN Human Rights committee the nations leading the charge are those upstanding citizens from Syria, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela and Sudan.

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  246. Black with a Vengeance (1,865 comments) says:

    To the left, to the left…everything i own in a box to the left.

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  247. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    Going to waste your vote again Sootie? :)

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  248. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Your Black back!! :)

    Fuck let me re-phrase that.

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  249. ShawnLH (5,285 comments) says:

    ““Well, just one problem” said the bowler “Every time I get an erection, I also get a headache”.”

    LMAO! :) :) :)

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  250. Black with a Vengeance (1,865 comments) says:

    Im thinking this Hager book might just jolt me out of Key’s Stockholm syndrome.

    For a while there i felt like i was bonding with the slippery smiling and waving one.

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  251. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Maybe UT would like to explain whenever Israel is hauled in front of the UN Human Rights committee the nations leading the charge are those upstanding citizens from Syria, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela and Sudan.

    It’s a protection racket. Human rights are only for citizens.

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  252. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Blackie old chap. Are you the one who’s been painting huge black phallus’s penetrating JK’s mouth? :)

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  253. ShawnLH (5,285 comments) says:

    There’s an ACDC song struggling to get out of some of the previous posts! :)

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  254. Black with a Vengeance (1,865 comments) says:

    Yes JB…Im black in a fashion.

    but hmmm… am i going to waste my vote again ?

    Thinking of going all Russell Brand on the election and abstaining.

    Is that wasting it?

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  255. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Never let our opinions deter you from wasting yourself Blackie! :)

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  256. Black with a Vengeance (1,865 comments) says:

    Im more inclined to paint little asian dicks penetrating JK’s every orifice?

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  257. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    I actually suspect that BwaV is Yehudits alter-ego! :)

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  258. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    No! Definitely not! No way Sootie!

    Great idea! :)

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  259. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Poll is frozen:

    Uptick if you think Shawn is lying.
    Downtick is you think Shawn is truthful.

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    Ignore if you dont give a fuck.
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  260. Black with a Vengeance (1,865 comments) says:

    …and yeah, id never let your opinion deter me from anything.

    Notice the singular use of opinion. Such is the perils of the hive mind.

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  261. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    When you have no friends in the whole wide world BwaV you have to be singular in your outlook! :)

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  262. ShawnLH (5,285 comments) says:

    Cripes, Ugly’s getting so desperate he’s trying to highjack the Nicky Hagar thread and make it about our debate last night! :)

    He really is not playing with a full deck! :)

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  263. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Don’t tempt fate ShawnLH. Mad Yehudit will turn up next if you do! :)

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  264. ShawnLH (5,285 comments) says:

    No, we really don’t want that again Johnboy! :)

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  265. stephieboy (3,163 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth, another reminder that the Iranian government had no doubts with their English translation of what President Ahmadinejad had actually said ,

    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=29219_A_Call_on_the_Clue_Phone_for_Juan_Cole&only

    Global Research muddying the issue not withstanding

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  266. starboard (2,537 comments) says:

    Watched Corran Dann getting erect over Hagars book on one not news tonight..full on frown , yelling into the mike likes he’s just found the new H bomb. What a dickhead.

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  267. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    In honour of Nicky “I am the Great Cornholio” Hager’s epic bombshell today, I thought a tribute from Beavis & Butthead was appropriate: :)

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  268. Griff (7,807 comments) says:

    Polly black wog with utu returning to play.
    with him self.

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  269. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Cripes, Ugly’s getting so desperate he’s trying to highjack the Nicky Hagar thread and make it about our debate last night!

    “No, I just ran rings all around Ugly. That’s why he is running away, again.” ~ Shawn Lee Herles, Christian liar.

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  270. adc (595 comments) says:

    WTF is with this loans for people who can’t afford them malarkey?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11308171

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