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Griff

Ignore if you dont give a fuck.
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August 13, 2014 7:02pm
thedavincimode

Cutting to the chase again grief? 😆
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August 13, 2014 7:06pm
Northland Wahine

JB, he looks like he needs a shag. Rent out one of your ewes.
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August 13, 2014 7:06pm
Johnboy

9 nil in 9 seconds looks fucking impressive to me Griff! 🙂
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August 13, 2014 7:07pm
stephieboy

Yoza (1,607 comments) says:
August 13th, 2014 at 6:09 pm

Israeli alleged war crimes from our Judge, Jury and executioner in residence .!
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August 13, 2014 7:08pm
nasska

Sorry UT but it looks like you’re once again the runner up. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/j3jkt8wwxmpca2x/UT%209.jpg
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August 13, 2014 7:08pm
hj

Slater paid to blog for tobacco industry
Taxpayers Union not apolitical
So what does this reveal that we don’t already know?
We know about Dunne , it was in the Lancet.
Written by PR team, signed by WO.
Get out of bed a video Sir WP pissed.
Slater under a log.
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August 13, 2014 7:09pm
thedavincimode

He makes Russel Norman look like a mans man!

Steady on JB
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August 13, 2014 7:09pm
Johnboy

I thought Russel was shagging-what’s-er-names sister NW?

She obviously has no taste! 🙂
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August 13, 2014 7:09pm
thedavincimode

Rent out one of your ewes

Even johnboy’s ewes have standards NW.
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August 13, 2014 7:11pm
ShawnLH

“He makes Russel Norman look like a mans man!”

Well at least he has one impressive feat to his name Johnboy! 🙂
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August 13, 2014 7:11pm
chiz

Uglytruth:

So why was it mistranslated to “Israel”?

Presumably because it was clear from the adjacent sentences which country he was referring to.

Native speakers have confirmed that Ahmidininutjob was threatening Israel.

Based only on the IRNA mistranslation?

No. No. No. There are native Farsi speakers who have confirmed what Ahmidininutjob was saying. They don’t need to rely on an english translation. They don’t need to rely on Juan Cole’s take. They can go directly to the source.

And stop claiming that IRNA mistranslated him.
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August 13, 2014 7:12pm
ShawnLH

“And stop claiming that IRNA mistranslated him.”

It’s just Ugly lying again. 🙂
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August 13, 2014 7:15pm
Northland Wahine

Thank you Campbell for highlighting how bat shit crazy Hager is. Like The Greens, Dotcom, Peters or Cunliff need any help to look like a collection of fools.
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August 13, 2014 7:15pm
UglyTruth

A religious wing nut debates a tinfoil protected moonbat On the interpretation of obscure bible passages.

Actaully it’s not that obscure. Paul’s experience on the road to Damascus, which left him temporarily blinded and ended his career as a persecutor of the disciples, is one of the landmark stories of the Bible. Paul was the author of a number of the books which make up the Christian Bible.
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August 13, 2014 7:15pm
Johnboy

All my sheep have won the Lanolin Institutes Supreme Prize for slipperiness for the last ten years thedavincimode! 🙂
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August 13, 2014 7:17pm
Southern Raider

Would be interesting to know how much more the world could have done for the Yazardis if the UN hadn’t been so focused on the non events in Gaza.

Personal accounts of ISIS beheading civilians, but no better to focus on Israel
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August 13, 2014 7:17pm
ShawnLH

“Thank you Campbell for highlighting how bat shit crazy Hager is.”

John Campbell? If so I might break my usual rule and watch it on +1.
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August 13, 2014 7:18pm
Southern Raider

Oh god. John Campbell is going to interview Hager.

Anyone else think JC is going to cream himself?
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August 13, 2014 7:18pm
ShawnLH

“Would be interesting to know how much more the world could have done for the Yazardis if the UN hadn’t been so focused on the non events in Gaza.”

Exactly. The Yarzidi people have been thrown under the bus by the UN. A real crime against humanity ignored because of anti-Israel bias.

You can thank the Yoza’s and Ugly’s of the world for that.
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August 13, 2014 7:21pm
Psycho Milt

He makes Russel Norman look like a mans man!

I’m pretty sure Norman is more of a woman’s man. Are you thinking of Grant Robertson, maybe?
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August 13, 2014 7:21pm
Johnboy

Burying women and children alive seems too topical SR?

Perhaps we should be selling knife sharpeners to the Islamic shit so they can at least show their victims the small mercy of cutting their throats first?
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August 13, 2014 7:22pm
UglyTruth

No. No. No. There are native Farsi speakers who have confirmed what Ahmidininutjob was saying.

Got a link for that?

And stop claiming that IRNA mistranslated him.

How is “wipe Israel of the map” not a mistranslation?
Israel can mean Israel the people, Israel the nation, or Israel the state/regime.

The full quote translated directly to English:

“The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time”.

Word by word translation:

Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).

http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-wiped-off-the-map-the-rumor-of-the-century-fabricated-by-the-us-media-to-justify-an-all-out-war-on-iran/21188
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August 13, 2014 7:22pm
thedavincimode

~~Paul’s~~ cunners’ experience on the road to Damascus, which left him temporarily blinded and ended his career as a ~~persecutor of~~ front man for the disciples, is one of the landmark stories of ~~the Bible~~ liebore party. ~~Paul~~ cunners was the author of a number of the ~~books~~ lies which make up the ~~Christian~~ liebore Bible.

Just bringing things up to date.
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August 13, 2014 7:23pm
Johnboy

Perhaps as a chap who obviously swings whatever way you could enlighten us PM! 🙂
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August 13, 2014 7:23pm
ex-golfer

John Campbell surprised me – he certainly grilled Hagar about how “light” his book is.
And Hagar had no response.
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August 13, 2014 7:27pm
UglyTruth

“And stop claiming that IRNA mistranslated him.”

It’s just Ugly lying again.

How is “wipe Israel of the map” not a mistranslation?
Israel can mean Israel the people, Israel the nation, or Israel the state/regime.

The full quote translated directly to English:

“The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time”.

Word by word translation:

Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).

http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-wiped-off-the-map-the-rumor-of-the-century-fabricated-by-the-us-media-to-justify-an-all-out-war-on-iran/21188

“That’s why you ran away like the snivelling gutless coward you are.” ~ ShawnLH, in reference to this debate.
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August 13, 2014 7:31pm
chiz

Uglytruth:

Got a link for that?

Not offhand, and I’m heading out in a moment. The BBC on one of their editorial blogs looked into this question and spoke to their Farsi unit about how to translate him. I’ve posted the link before but can’t be bothered trying to find it again. A year or or so ago I saw an MP from the German Green Party speaking about this issue on DW TV. He was born in Iran, from memory.

The full quote translated directly to English:

“The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time”.

Word by word translation

Again. Word by word translations are irrelevant when dealing with idioms. The “regime occupying Jerusalem” is a pretty clear reference to Israel, the country, and a pretty clear clue to the speaker’s stance even without the reference to it being made to disappear.
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August 13, 2014 7:33pm
ShawnLH

Hagar is a member of the tin foil hat brigade. His nonsense would fit one of Ugly’s conspiracy blogs perfectly.
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August 13, 2014 7:34pm
UglyTruth

Again. Word by word translations are irrelevant when dealing with idioms.

The idiom isn’t the issue, the introduction of ambiguity is.

The “regime occupying Jerusalem” is a pretty clear reference to Israel, the country

Don’t be stupid. A regime is not a country. A regime is intangible just like a state is, and a regime or state is not essential for society to function.
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August 13, 2014 7:41pm
Other_Andy

And in other breaking news….

Labour politicians leak data to The Standard!
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August 13, 2014 7:42pm
oldpark

The smear campaign by Hager and TVNZ supporters club seems to have backfired on the person called Nicky, and his number one supporter from TVNZ .the whole thing has become the joke of the week.Even the guy from TV3 called Campbell interviewing Hager ,his eyes were seen to glaze over when Hager tried to make a mountain out of a molehill.Seems the guy with a cissys, name will have to get some more emails falling of a truck before he can fool all of the people who want to be fooled.The Labour Party Channel TVNZ where Labour Party meetings were held, are still whacking away at the fantasy,from fantasyland.
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August 13, 2014 7:42pm
Southern Raider

Looked like a sorry arsed bunch of liberals self congratulating themselves at the book store on the news while lining up to get Nicky’s book.
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August 13, 2014 7:52pm
ShawnLH

Speaking of conspiracies, has anyone else noticed the recent influx of a whole bunch of posters with only a few posts behind them, who sound suspiciously like people from the Stranded?
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August 13, 2014 7:53pm
chiz

The idiom isn’t the issue, the introduction of ambiguity is.

There is no ambiguity. He was threatening Israel. Everybody, apart from Juan Cole, understands this. His countries own news agency understood him. The BBC Farsi speakers understood him. Someone up-thread gave examples of people in Iran who also understood him. Quibbles about the choice of idiom used to express that threat don’t change the fact that there was a threat.

Don’t be stupid. A regime is not a country.

From the point of view of rabid holocaust-denying Israel-haters like Ahmedininutjob it is. Do you even know what rhetoric is?
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August 13, 2014 7:53pm
nasska

….”recent influx of a whole bunch of posters with only a few posts behind them, who sound suspiciously like people from the Stranded”…..

They’re refugees Shawn…..TS has gone to the dogs. 🙂
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August 13, 2014 7:56pm
Southern Raider

Chiz there is no point trying to talk logic to UT.

From his perspective having 30,000 Christians stuck up a mountain under the threat of genocide is merely an inconvenience as it takes the UNs focus off Israel
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August 13, 2014 7:59pm
UglyTruth

Fascinating logic, SR. Sounds like something ShawnLH would say.
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August 13, 2014 8:02pm
ShawnLH

Chiz,

UglyNazi will get you bogged down in what the meaning of the word “is” is. It’s one of his standard dishonest tactics. Of course most of the world, and even many Iranians, new exactly what he said and meant.
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August 13, 2014 8:03pm
UglyTruth

There is no ambiguity.

As I’ve pointed out before, the ambiguity in the mistranslation of Ahmadinejad’s words is the word “Israel”.
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August 13, 2014 8:06pm
UglyTruth

UglyNazi will get you bogged down in what the meaning of the word “is” is. It’s one of his standard dishonest tactics.

“That’s why you ran away like the snivelling gutless coward you are.” ~ ShawnLH, in reference to this debate.
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August 13, 2014 8:08pm
Black with a Vengeance

Booyakasha innit !!!
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August 13, 2014 8:09pm
nasska

A lawn bowler was involved in a terrible car crash and was rushed to hospital.

Just before he was put under, the surgeon popped in to see him and says “I have some good news and some bad news”. “The bad news is that I have to remove your right arm!”

“Oh God no!” cries the man “My bowling is over! Please Doc, what’s the good news?” Doc “The good news is, I have another one to replace it with, but it’s a woman’s arm.

I’ll need your permission before I go ahead with the transplant”. “Go for it doc” says the man. “As long as I can play bowls again”.

The operation went well and a year later the man was out on the local bowls green when he bumped into the surgeon. “G’day mate, how’s the new arm?” asks the surgeon.

“Just great” says the man. “I’m playing the best bowls of my life. My new arm has a much finer touch and my draw bowls have really improved”. “That’s great” said the surgeon.

“Not only that” continued the bowler “My handwriting has improved, I’ve learned how to sew my own clothes and I’ve even taken up painting landscapes in water colours”. “Unbelievable!” said the surgeon “I’m so glad to hear the transplant was such a great success. Are you having any side effects?”

“Well, just one problem” said the bowler “Every time I get an erection, I also get a headache”.
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August 13, 2014 8:09pm
nasska

My ol’ mate Off White With an Attitude.

How’s it swinging! 🙂
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August 13, 2014 8:10pm
Southern Raider

Maybe UT would like to explain whenever Israel is hauled in front of the UN Human Rights committee the nations leading the charge are those upstanding citizens from Syria, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela and Sudan.
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August 13, 2014 8:12pm
Black with a Vengeance

To the left, to the left…everything i own in a box to the left.
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August 13, 2014 8:13pm
nasska

Going to waste your vote again Sootie? 🙂
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August 13, 2014 8:18pm
Johnboy

Your Black back!! 🙂

Fuck let me re-phrase that.
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August 13, 2014 8:18pm
ShawnLH

““Well, just one problem” said the bowler “Every time I get an erection, I also get a headache”.”

LMAO! 🙂 🙂 🙂
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August 13, 2014 8:18pm
Black with a Vengeance

Im thinking this Hager book might just jolt me out of Key’s Stockholm syndrome.

For a while there i felt like i was bonding with the slippery smiling and waving one.
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August 13, 2014 8:18pm
UglyTruth

Maybe UT would like to explain whenever Israel is hauled in front of the UN Human Rights committee the nations leading the charge are those upstanding citizens from Syria, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela and Sudan.

It’s a protection racket. Human rights are only for citizens.
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August 13, 2014 8:19pm
Johnboy

Blackie old chap. Are you the one who’s been painting huge black phallus’s penetrating JK’s mouth? 🙂
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August 13, 2014 8:21pm
ShawnLH

There’s an ACDC song struggling to get out of some of the previous posts! 🙂
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August 13, 2014 8:21pm
Black with a Vengeance

Yes JB…Im black in a fashion.

but hmmm… am i going to waste my vote again ?

Thinking of going all Russell Brand on the election and abstaining.

Is that wasting it?
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August 13, 2014 8:22pm
Johnboy

Never let our opinions deter you from wasting yourself Blackie! 🙂
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August 13, 2014 8:23pm
Black with a Vengeance

Im more inclined to paint little asian dicks penetrating JK’s every orifice?
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August 13, 2014 8:24pm
Johnboy

I actually suspect that BwaV is Yehudits alter-ego! 🙂
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August 13, 2014 8:25pm
nasska

No! Definitely not! No way Sootie!

Great idea! 🙂
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August 13, 2014 8:25pm
UglyTruth

Poll is frozen:

Uptick if you think Shawn is lying.
Downtick is you think Shawn is truthful.

Vote: Thumb up 4 Thumb down 4

Ignore if you dont give a fuck.
Vote: Thumb up 16 Thumb down 0
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August 13, 2014 8:26pm
Black with a Vengeance

…and yeah, id never let your opinion deter me from anything.

Notice the singular use of opinion. Such is the perils of the hive mind.
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August 13, 2014 8:27pm
Johnboy

When you have no friends in the whole wide world BwaV you have to be singular in your outlook! 🙂
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August 13, 2014 8:38pm
ShawnLH

Cripes, Ugly’s getting so desperate he’s trying to highjack the Nicky Hagar thread and make it about our debate last night! 🙂

He really is not playing with a full deck! 🙂
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August 13, 2014 8:50pm
Johnboy

Don’t tempt fate ShawnLH. Mad Yehudit will turn up next if you do! 🙂
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August 13, 2014 8:54pm
ShawnLH

No, we really don’t want that again Johnboy! 🙂
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August 13, 2014 8:55pm
stephieboy

Ugly Truth, another reminder that the Iranian government had no doubts with their English translation of what President Ahmadinejad had actually said ,

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=29219_A_Call_on_the_Clue_Phone_for_Juan_Cole&only

Global Research muddying the issue not withstanding
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August 13, 2014 9:02pm
starboard

Watched Corran Dann getting erect over Hagars book on one not news tonight..full on frown , yelling into the mike likes he’s just found the new H bomb. What a dickhead.
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August 13, 2014 9:04pm
adze

In honour of Nicky “I am the Great Cornholio” Hager’s epic bombshell today, I thought a tribute from Beavis & Butthead was appropriate: 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5LseNXvG80
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August 13, 2014 9:04pm
Griff

Polly black wog with utu returning to play.
with him self.
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August 13, 2014 9:11pm
UglyTruth

Cripes, Ugly’s getting so desperate he’s trying to highjack the Nicky Hagar thread and make it about our debate last night!

“No, I just ran rings all around Ugly. That’s why he is running away, again.” ~ Shawn Lee Herles, Christian liar.
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August 13, 2014 9:14pm
adc

WTF is with this loans for people who can’t afford them malarkey?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11308171
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