General Debate 22 August 2014

August 22nd, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. mjw (399 comments) says:

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  2. hj (7,062 comments) says:

    MASSEY University’s Distinguished Professor Paul Spoonley shows a photograph of his 1969 senior class at Hastings Boys High School.
    The immigration and social-cohesion expert says of the students, there are 24 pakeha and one Maori. Hawke’s Bay, like the rest of New Zealand, was not diverse. Be loved of the liberal elite and Chamber of Commerce. XXXXX

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503458&objectid=11310170
    If he is a social cohesian expert he would have heard of the ground breaking study by Robert putnam:

    In diverse communities, Putnam observed, people “hunker down”: they withdraw, have fewer “friends and confidants,” distrust their neighbors regardless of the color of their skin, expect the worst from local leaders, volunteer and carpool less, give less to charity, and “agitate for social reform more,” with little hope of success. They also huddle in front of the television. Activism alternates with escapism, unhappiness with ennui.

    http://www.ilanamercer.com/TheMiseryOfDiversity.htm

    He said he was “deeply disturbed” some saw problems with immigration instead of opportunity.

    For example:
    The Governments own Savings Working Group
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/4622459/Government-policies-blamed-for-house-prices
    The Australian Productivity Commision
    http://www.treasury.govt.nz/downloads/pdfs/mi-jarrett-comm.pdf
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/immigration-link-to-economic-growth-yet-to-be-proven-says-productivity-commission/story-fn9hm1gu-1226179973978

    Treasury
    http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/research-policy/wp/2014/14-10

    Michael Reddell Senior Reserve bank economist
    http://www.rbnz.govt.nz/research_and_publications/seminars_and_workshops/Mar2013/5200823.pdf

    Nevertheless Spoonley is TV One’s go to expert “we need their skills”.

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  3. Pete George (23,680 comments) says:

    Phil Goff blatantly lied last night on Campbell Live.

    Campbell: Can I ask you a question? You were a leader of the Labour Party, up against and extraordinarily popular Prime Minister John Key.

    Did you ever seek to do what you’re accusing him of doing, or use your office to do it, which is to get really dirty behind the scenes, arms length?

    Goff: No no not at all…

    Campbell: Never, not once?

    Goff: No, no, because fundamentally to me the integrity of our political system is important.

    Goff has a history of misleading and leaking and accusing others of lying. He has been involved in:

    – Leaking and misleading over the Don Brash ‘gone by lunchtime’ statement in 2004.
    – His office leaks from MFAT in 2012 which led to a fight through the courts to hide the identity of the Labour associated leaker.
    – A Goff office leak led to the forced resignation of National MP Richard Worth in 2009.
    – Goff “appears to have broken the law by releasing pages from a suppressed Court of Inquiry report into the death of a Kiwi soldier in Afghanistan” in 2013.
    – Accused SIS director Warren Tucker of lying about briefing him in 2011.

    Goff blatantly lies about ‘dirty politics’ – and got away with it.

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  4. IGM (518 comments) says:

    mjw: If you take notice of this b/s you must be a real Labour/Green loser.

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  5. hj (7,062 comments) says:

    “Regions need to develop their own migrant recruitment strategies. Go directly to business owners and migrant communities, explain why you would come to Hawke’s Bay and what the advantages are. At the moment it tends to be employers who recruit immigrants offshore and I think there is a space for regions to get their own strategy together.
    “If you look at the regions of New Zealand they are beginning to flat line. If the Government isn’t going to do anything more to attract migrants to the regions then perhaps the regions themselves should make a greater effort.”
    He said the number one reason migrants chose New Zealand was lifestyle.
    “Hawke’s Bay has lifestyle in abundance. It is very well placed to offer something they would find attractive.”
    Hawke’s Bay needed jobs, innovation, diversity and connections – all available through immigration.
    He points to Napier Pine as a good example. The Indonesian directors have been in business for 17 years and employ 50 people.

    New immigrants needed to interact with other members of their community “so one of the next things you can do is to have people locally who can speak their language of whatever micro-group you are wanting to bring to a region, so you make them feel safe and welcome”.
    Safety was the second main reason immigrants came to New Zealand and the third was education.
    “Many parents come here so their children can be educated in English.
    “You wouldn’t come to New Zealand to make a lot of money.”
    New Zealand’s immigration policy was more successful than Australia and Canada’s, he said.
    “Of the three countries New Zealand is the only one that meets and exceeds its target. It is partly because we are small but I think it is really about the quality of the life you can get here.”
    The high numbers have changed the face of New Zealand, especially Auckland.
    “Of the top 10 surnames in Auckland in 2014 only one of them was from Britain. Smith comes in at number five and the first four surnames are all Chinese.”
    Below Smith the names were Chinese or Indian.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503458&objectid=11310170

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  6. fernglas (167 comments) says:

    Dotcom’s restraining order has been extended by a further year. What is most interesting is that the delay in bringing him to trial has caused the US government to change from a conviction based procedure to a civil based one. This means the US is not dependent on extraditing him to be able to take his money. The civil based proceeding will have a lower threshold of proof, and is likely, according to evidence from the US heard in the Court of Appeal, to be concluded by April next year. So regardless of whether Dotcom is extradited by then, we should know within about 6 months of the election whether it is more likely than not that the founder of one of our political parties committed serious criminal offences.

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  7. tvb (4,494 comments) says:

    The newspaper proprietors should get control over their editorial content and sack the Union Types and start producing as paper people actually want to read. The left wing slant of the Herald is turning off readers. Get in a solid right wing editor and then systematically cull out the left wing Union types – save a few such as John Armstrong. May have to wear a strike or two but it would be worth it.

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  8. Yvette (2,845 comments) says:

    Doesn’t this whole thing over SIS briefings and whether John Key was directly briefed or not, relate to a question of whether Goff was earlier briefed in the Mossad backpackers issue, and this was finalized by notes in the margin of the briefing paper acknowledging that he had been.
    Apparently John Key was not marginalized

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  9. mjw (399 comments) says:

    igm – no, I just value our democracy. I don’t think the left/right tribalism is very helpful to politics. Rather, we should value and protect our institutions, and fight back against smears and dirty tricks being run out of the ninth floor of the beehive.

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  10. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    “The high numbers have changed the face of New Zealand, especially Auckland.”

    They voted for it. They’re still voting for it.

    Multiculti morons who place no value upon their own culture and would prefer to be subjugated to a foreign culture.

    What else are such people but vacant weak knuckle dragging morons who actually deserve what is coming to them.

    Gave their country and their culture up like lame little limp wristed milksops.

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  11. Dead Earnest (160 comments) says:

    What to expect from the MSM today
    Another Day another Dump

    4.30am Hacked emails on Whale Dump
    John Key: “Jason I’m hungry, get me some babies”
    Jason Eade: “Will do boss”

    6.00am: Breakfast TV: “Shocking allegations PM eats babies”

    6.30am: NZ Herald online:-massive headlines “Does PM Eats Babies?”

    10.00am: PM mobbed by hacks as he opens a sock factory in Matamata. Patrick Gower – with deeply furrowed forehead – demands of Key “Prime Minister can you categorically deny that you have ever eaten a baby” John Key – “yes Patrick”

    11.00am: Cunliffe breaks down on camera with John Campbell “The poor little blue eyed things” he sobs.

    12.30pm: The Green Party claim to have a sworn avadavat from parliamentary staffer now in hiding, saying “she noticed empty baby buggies leaving the PM’s office in the dead of night.

    2.15pm: Laila Harre issues press statement saying, “John Key’s use of the word ’Sugar Daddy’ showed a Freudian connection between people and food

    4pm: PM mobbed by hacks as he arrives at a Kiwifruit orchard in Te Puke. Corin Dann asks “PM can you categorically deny you sent that shocking email to Jason Eade”. John Key – “No Corin, I have checked with my office, I did send it. But Whale dump left out one word. It actually read -Jason I’m hungry, get me some jelly babies”

    5pm. NZ Herald online headline “PM concedes he ate junk food”

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  12. oldpark (373 comments) says:

    They came from everywhere like a massive ISIS terrorist assault on National Government.Led by the Journalist cloth capped union infested NZ HERALD.Herald leaking personal emails about a persons mum who died of cancer.The Labour Party Channel TVNZ a guy called Corrin Dann(a Labour Party MP in waiting)he showed his channels bias night after night against the National Government.TV3 with a strange looking person called Campbell his programme has become “only the lonely” (they dedicated their entire news coverage ,attacking National government.All Fairfax newspapers went on full frontal attack on National Government.Last of all the sneaky slippery Newstalk ZB led by another insignificiant little pest rat bag called Soper forever sniping at the National Government aided and abetted by a guy named after a cat called Felix. .They have all scored a massive own goal the cloth capped Journalist union infested MSM.They are desperate for a payback,all they got was the Labour party they tried to win by default in the election took another hit at the polls.After the dust settled from such an attack on John Key’s Government polls say they could still govern alone on 64 SEATS.

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  13. duggledog (1,582 comments) says:

    David Cunliffe at the Dunedin Hillside railway workshops ‘We’re going to get this going again and spend millions getting it going again’ YEAHHHHHH

    If Cunliffe doesn’t become PM on September 21, he has a great career ahead of him

    with AMWAY

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  14. publicwatchdog (2,797 comments) says:

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  16. Lance (2,704 comments) says:

    @mjw, Yoza, penny et al

    The left have blown their wad, the Hagar orchestration didn’t work. The real NZers either can see straight through the hypocrisy or simply don’t give a shit.
    The disgrace that is the MSM won’t discus policy, they are only interested in tabloid level shit.

    National are in power and people can see what they are doing, the MSM are making sure nobody else hears what he left have to say.

    Maybe it’s all a vast right wing plot by National, using negative psychology to block out the lefties?.. he he he he.

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  17. Ross12 (1,453 comments) says:

    Well done Pete George. Milk Me take note of Pete’s post.

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  18. niggly (831 comments) says:

    mjw – in reference to the Key standup interview you gloat about, it’s not clear WHEN Tucker told Key and I wouldn’t be surprised whether Key meant someone senior in his Office (when Key was away on holiday at the time) was told rather than himself when Key used the term “me”. Imagine if Key said in the interview that someone in his office was told – the media would then start getting worked up about that – easier just to say “me”. Remember unlike Clark, Key isn’t a micro-manager and does delegate.

    Surprised the Herald didn’t ask Key to comment first before running their attack story – mind you I guess I’m not surprised when people like Nicky Hager set the standard by not asking his story subjects for comment. The cheek of Hager and the Herald by calling themselves “journalists”.

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  19. mjw (399 comments) says:

    Lance – dpf used that trick last time. He persuaded Phil Goff to move off the teapot tape so he could get heard on other issues. That probably saved National, as they were in free fall in support throughout those last few weeks, and only just scraped home.

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  20. flipper (4,196 comments) says:

    Well it is good to see that PG has, temporarily at least, recovered some composure after spending most of yesterday trying to pretend that Marwick, a labour-melon proxy, was some kind of dragon-slaying George :-) , and J Key the nasty, fire breathing dragon.

    Well JK is one “dragon” that neither George nor the CminusT-red melon-Hager cabal will slay.

    And all those nasty poll numbers ….. of course there will be excuses from the normal clutch of left wing and wussy apologists. Good. As I and others have been saying for days, the media-based Hager hammer is not penetrating the ear muffs of the great unwashed. Tough shit ragheads.

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  21. Harriet (5,118 comments) says:

    “…..the MSM are making sure nobody else hears what he left have to say….”

    That’s because the left don’t have anything to say. They’re out of constructive ideas.

    ‘Playing the ball’ is not then an election winner for Labour. Hense Hager and ‘playing the man’.

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  22. tom hunter (5,078 comments) says:

    I don’t think the left/right tribalism is very helpful to politics.

    Pffft. I always hear this line when the left are losing, or think they’re losing.

    I predict that you will joyfully embrace tribalism in politics when Labour-Green regain the government benches.

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  23. IGM (518 comments) says:

    mjw: You have a real problem . . . breathing!

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  24. Ross12 (1,453 comments) says:

    mjw

    “Lance – dpf used that trick last time….”

    I’m sure David will be thrilled to hear he won the election for National last time. !

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  25. Paulus (2,658 comments) says:

    Am waiting for some Policy from Labour, not just whatever National have done we will undo it, and spend more money than them and the Green Taliban Deputy joint Prime Ministers.

    – I am deafened by the media in its Cup of Tea UTU

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  26. Harriet (5,118 comments) says:

    Tom Hunter#

    Thanks Tom for describing me over at TS as “Harriet – the most right wing nutjob on KB – and that’s saying something…..”

    All I said on TS was:

    “Everyone here at TS believes ‘equivilence’ is when Hamas uses children to protect their missiles – while the IDF uses missiles to protect their children.”

    And you then post that rubbish?

    Well I am right, as that thread had 92 comments – and over 70 were attributed to what I said – although nothing much at al was said about ‘equivilence’ – just me being called a religious right wing nut job blah blah blah…..

    Like the generals say Tom “when you’re coping that much flak — you know you are right on target.”

    TS is full of haters and wreckers – people NZ can do without.

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  27. mikenmild (11,662 comments) says:

    tom
    There isn’t really much of a left/right split in NZ politics anyway. Both major parties are firmly wedded to a social democratic consensus. The ‘tribalism’ that exists is probably manifest in around 30-40% of the electorate who are solidly National or Labour come what may. That tribalism has built up over many decades and is more about image and identity rather than based on policy differences.

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  28. jakejakejake (138 comments) says:

    niggly that press conference is 4 days after Cameron Slater received OIA letter and documents. Sounds like JK was having a working holiday.

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  29. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

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  30. alloytoo (571 comments) says:

    As we approach the hundredth anniversary of the Soviet revolution it’s worth pointing out that communists and socialists rarely employ democratic or legal means to obtain power.

    Election 2014 is no exception

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  31. Albert_Ross (310 comments) says:

    MMP question. Say I want party A to win and party B to do well nationally, and I live in a constituency where both have a candidate but party C is pretty much certain to win. Does it make a difference which vote I give to A and which to B?

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  32. flipper (4,196 comments) says:

    Oh dear, that hot bed of leftie (well, mostly) effete snobs at Pundit have finally updated their poll of polls, using the Nate Silver method adapted by CminusT’s own poll advisor, Rob Salmon (who would ever guess?).

    But it is not good news for CminusT et al:

    “Pundit Poll of Polls

    Party… % Date-22 Aug….change …seats in HoR

    National 50.4 -0.9 65
    Labour 26.4 -0.5 34
    Greens 12.0 -0.1 16
    NZ First 4.6 +0.2 0
    Maori Party 1.0 -0.1 3
    Internet MANA 2.3 +0.6 3
    Act 0.5 +0.1 1
    Conservatives 2.1 +0.6 0
    United Future – – 1
    The Polity / Pundit Poll of Polls is ….”

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  33. Pete George (23,680 comments) says:

    Well it is good to see that PG has, temporarily at least, recovered some composure after spending most of yesterday trying to pretend that Marwick, a labour-melon proxy, was some kind of dragon-slaying George :-) , and J Key the nasty, fire breathing dragon.

    Well flipper, Marwick was doing his job. He produced two letters that appeared to contradict Keys claims. Journalism involves following leads and building cases and stories.

    As it turned out Warren Tucker and Ombusdman Beverly Waken both backed Key’s version.

    Goff versus Key, Tucker and Wakem

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  34. calendar girl (1,261 comments) says:

    Milk Me @ 8:22 and 8:45am.

    Thank you for your erudite contributions to debate here. While they are only your 12th & 13th comments on DPF’s blog, already you have demonstrated how an astute grasp of the facts – when combined with superior analytical reasoning, of course – is able to bring an abrupt end to the kind of mindlessly partisan dialogue that you obviously abhor. Solid work on your part.

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  35. Nostalgia-NZ (5,274 comments) says:

    The SIS are looking super efficient once again, they answer directly to JK and use a ‘no surprises’ policy. Even a basic office would expect confirmation from the PM that the information has been received from him – otherwise there might be a surprise. Equally, wouldn’t the PM ensure that all such communications went over his desk, were filed and audited to make sure he had read them and signed them? Right now we have one situation where it is expected that communications go to the PM but he doesn’t get them or read them. Oh well, it’s only security.

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  36. Lance (2,704 comments) says:

    @Milk me
    My we are an angry little man/woman/hermaphrodite this morning.
    Go ahead, shake those tiny fists of rage at ‘the man’, wicked wicked wicked John Key.

    The best laugh you gave me this morning is your line “as trustworthy as a banker”

    Economics 101;
    Banking is based on trust. That is it’s core.

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  37. IGM (518 comments) says:

    Hear tell Campbell’s Mazda is going . . . Slobcom has promised him a Benz!

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  38. Ross12 (1,453 comments) says:

    Milk Me — Goff’s lies were last night , so yes I suppose that is in the past in your tiny world.

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  39. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ niggly

    Imagine if Key said in the interview that…

    So you think it is alright for a Prime Minister that promised open and transparent governance to then deliberately muddy what he says to provide a different meaning?

    Isn’t that exactly what many are complaining about? The ‘no surprises’ aspect requires Key to be told BEFORE something happens so he can be prepared for it. Therefore Key was told, probably by telephone if he was away, before that information was given to Slater.

    I can understand why Key is wanting to distance himself from Slater – who wouldn’t want to – but this is not a big matter, he needs to just say that ‘what was done, was done’ and on reflection it wasn’t wise – and let the story drop.

    People will decide on 20/9 whether they trust him or not.

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  40. Scott Chris (6,176 comments) says:

    Harriet (4,610 comments) says:
    August 22nd, 2014 at 8:32 am
    “…..the MSM are making sure nobody else hears what he left have to say….”

    That’s because the left don’t have anything to say. They’re out of constructive ideas.

    ‘Playing the ball’ is not then an election winner for Labour. Hense Hager and ‘playing the man’.

    So are you playing the ball or the man in this post Harry? (puns not intended)

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  41. jcuk (712 comments) says:

    Thankyou Dead Earnest That’s FUN :)

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  42. RF (1,446 comments) says:

    Poor wee Milk Me. Almost a virgin on this blog so we should make allowances and cut him / her some slack. Faltering footsteps in a walker trainer intending to head to the Standard but got lost, finishing up here.

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  43. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    Calendar Girl- Milk Me is satire.

    You think he’s some dumb left wing throwback but he’s actually a very funny right winger taking the piss.

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  44. OneTrack (3,218 comments) says:

    mjw – “New evidence contradicts Key’s claims that he wasn’t briefed on the OIA to the SIS.”

    Who cares. It was 5 years ago. Beltway issue.

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  45. OneTrack (3,218 comments) says:

    “Who else agrees that the Office of the Prime Minister is obviously and effectively OUT OF CONTROL?”

    Only hard left activists. In my considered opinion.

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  46. Harriet (5,118 comments) says:

    Scott#

    I’m playing the ball. And that’s what everyone is supposed to do.

    My mentioning that Hager ‘is playing the man/National’ is an observation that most people can see.

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  47. OneTrack (3,218 comments) says:

    “I’m sure David will be thrilled to hear he won the election for National last time. !”

    He must have. Isn’t that why Saint Nicky chose to attack DPF? The left wouldn’t just attack anybody out of spite. Would they?

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  48. oldpark (373 comments) says:

    @ PG 8.05AM

    You missed another one from the lying craven cowardly Goff.He hugged the Terrorist Yarafat from Hamas in GAZA, slipped him a NZ tAXPAYER CHEQUE for $500,000 of NZ TAXPAYERS hard earned money allegedly TO BUY WEAPONS to be used to murder innocent Israelis.He is worse than the Russel Norman lookalike the greenie Hagar.Goff has sat in Parliament for almost the last thirty years,lying his way through the terms.He found out when dumped by the voters in 1990 that he was unemployable.

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  49. OneTrack (3,218 comments) says:

    mike – “There isn’t really much of a left/right split in NZ politics anyway.”

    Exactly. The main parties are pretty much all left these days

    National – centre-left
    Labour – left
    Greens – ultra left
    Mana – apartheid state
    Internet – Free ice cream for everybody

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  50. Ross12 (1,453 comments) says:

    I saw Hager on the TV1 piece last night saying quite clearly that Dotcom had nothing to do with his book. ( But Wayne Tempiro said in the interview with Shaun Plunket the other day that Hager had been at Dotcom meetings ).

    So after the election, no matter what the result, I’m sure there will a lot of work by many people to work out who the hacker(s) were and I’m sure puppet Hager is going to look very stupid in the results of that work.

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  51. OneTrack (3,218 comments) says:

    Albert_Ross – “Does it make a difference which vote I give to A and which to B?”

    Party vote A
    Electorate vote B

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  52. IGM (518 comments) says:

    I should hate to be in a situation where I was close to either Campbell or a Fairfax/APN scribe, I would not be able to control my emotions . . . and they would not be far from friendly.

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  53. mikenmild (11,662 comments) says:

    Perhaps you need a cold shower…

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  54. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ IGM (44 comments) says:
    August 22nd, 2014 at 9:18 am

    So what you are saying is that when you are close to people that have a different opinion to you, you feel vulnerable and challenged, and this is manifested by overt displays of ‘unfriendliness’?

    I dealt with a couple of gang members once who shared your thoughts.

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  55. kaykaybee (153 comments) says:

    We need to spare a thought for Labour/Left coalition blogs thedoublestandard and thedailyfog. The poor beggars are apoplectic with rage at the lack of traction their #dirtypolitics and the largely complicit MSM #lazymedia are achieving. Put yourselves in their shoes – the only ones who care are the activist LEFT and a handful of anarchists. They’ve wasted all this rage, spent hours interviewing each other, quoting each other’s opinions as fact and generally whipping up a calm sea. However polls are showing (despite their spin) that nobody in the real world gives a continental who Slater and some bloke on the Nats Social Media guy say in private comms.

    We the people want a government that can calmly and efficiently run our country and keep us on the commendable track we’re on. We do not want a bunch of misfit haters and wreckers lead by a man who can’t control his own caucus let alone a coalition of the unknown, the spenders, Winnie First, the racist, the rewarders of the unproductive and a man hell-bent on avoiding extradition.

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  56. J Bloggs (250 comments) says:

    Onetrack: It’s the Civilian party that’s offering free ice cream for everyone, but I understand how you could have made the mistake. Distinguishing between the joke parties is a little difficult at the moment.

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  57. lilman (965 comments) says:

    Seriously if their is a more puke enducing ,hateful shit-bag than Goff Ive yet to meet that person.

    When vets came back from Vietnam he was there with the other arse holes spitting and calling them baby killers,our New Zealand soliders,that were just doing their job trying to survive and make sense of it all.

    Then the coward holds hands with that murdering bastard Arafatt.

    Then he has the gaul to promote Hamas a terrorist group who have bombed ,murdered, attacked and vow to wipe from the fave of the earth the state of Isreal.

    To think a person with Keys ability as well as real world experience has to even talk to, let alone deal with Goff on a daily basis,whilst donating his salary to charity must be taxing to say the least.

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  58. tom hunter (5,078 comments) says:

    Harriet (4,610 comments) says:
    August 22nd, 2014 at 8:42 am
    Tom Hunter#

    Thanks Tom for describing me over at TS as “Harriet – the most right wing nutjob on KB – and that’s saying something…..”

    ???????????

    I’ve never commented at the Standard. I barely visit the place. So perhaps it’s someone using my name. I’d love to see the link.

    Furthermore I’ve never responded to one of your comments anywhere but were I to do so I would not describe you as being a “right wing nut job”.

    If I described you at all I would probably say that you appear to be a scatterbrained lush with all the reading and writing abilities of a parrot on LSD and that your pronouncements on anything at all “right-wing” are an ongoing source of embarrassment to other right-wingers.

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  59. J Bloggs (250 comments) says:

    And on the subject of the Civilian party – who needs Melons in parliament when you can vote for “The Pineapple”

    http://thecivilianparty.org.nz/introducing-golden-mayan-sweet-pineapple-product-of-the-philippines/

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  60. tvb (4,494 comments) says:

    The Conservative Party may be pressing down on Winston’s vote taking him below the 5% threshold. That will knock him out of Parliament. He will be 73+ next time and that must bring into doubt whether he will make a comeback. Surely Health issues will be catching up by then. That will leave the field open for Colin Craig which gives National their long awaited reliable coalition Partner and a 4th term.

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  61. EAD (1,286 comments) says:

    The hoooorald today warns us of the imminent threat of ISIS and “radicalised extremists”.

    They have been warning us about Putin, AlQeada, hamas the Taliban and now it’s the ISIS. Closer to home we’ve got to worry about the bigots, islamophobes,wayyyycits, the “far right”, the bloggers, the “conspiracy theorists”, the extremists and the Ebola virus

    Can we consolidate them into one super villian and just call him Immanuel Goldstein?

    The government can then pass laws and take away our liberties in order to protect us and make us safe. /sarc

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  62. RF (1,446 comments) says:

    The election is sure bringing them out of the woodwork.

    The old lefty hack Soper was on Larry Williams last night and rabbiting on about JK and the disclosure to Whale. Its very obvious he does not like JK.

    Another lefty I try to avoid listening to is Wendyl Nissen who was on with Mike Hosking this morning. What a drop kick.

    God help this country if these idiots have any say in our future

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  63. Pete George (23,680 comments) says:

    The media is in a frenzy over the OIA release from the SIS to Cameron Slater but they are ignoring the primary source – Slater. He has been cold shouldered, but that ignores the most important part of the story.

    He has just given his version at Whale Oil:

    I watched Phil Goff on TV slam into the SIS about not being briefed about the situation with Israeli tourists. I thought to myself…that can’t be right, he is the Leader of the Opposition he must have been briefed. So I decided to write an OIA.

    In the meantime several sources, none of which work in the PM’s or any other Minister’s office or indeed any National MPs office contacted me, about the very same thing.

    When politicians dump on civil servants who cannot speak for themselves then sometimes they get pushed too far.

    I put in the OIA and within hours I was being pressured by the PM’s office and others senior in the government to withdraw the request. I refused. I was told that people wouldn’t speak to me etc. I said so what. I won’t be told what to do by anyone. About the only person who can even try to tell me what to do passed away two years ago.

    So I waited, and I waited. I was then phoned to be told that the release was coming and that It was being posted to me, it was also being released to other media the same day by post…I was livid. I was the first one to put in an OIA. Selwyn Manning was a couple of days behind me I’m told. I was livid because it was being posted…and being in Auckland I was at a distinct disadvantage.

    I received the letter the next day and scanned it and rang TV3, they agreed to a joint release and at 6pm that night the story broke.

    Far from the mad conspiracy theories of Phil Goff, the government actually tried to stop me asking the OIA.

    I am happy to swear under oath what happened, and then I expect a personal apology in writing for publication on the blog from Phil Goff for lying about me.

    I haven’t seen anything yet that contradicts this.

    While it’s possible the SIS leaked to him or someone in the Prime Minister’s office leaked to him (John Key emphasised that was an imprisonable offence it’s quite feasible that someone outside of those with experience of OIA and perhaps the SIS gave him advice on the best way to request the information.

    This possibility should at least be considered seriously.

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  64. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    He said Dr Tucker told him about Slater’s request for the documents on July 26, the day he received it.

    Mr Goff said Dr Tucker said he intended to release that day, “and I hit the roof”.

    He had told Dr Tucker it was “unbelievable that you would contemplate doing anything like that – that draws you right into the political arena”.

    He said Dr Tucker then agreed to delay the release for a week.

    Goff lies about being briefed, documents prove that he lied, he gets told that the documents are to be released under the OIA and he pressures Tucker into delaying the release by a week.

    Who is ok with that?

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  65. Elaycee (4,403 comments) says:

    @RF: Another leftie is the newsreader on NewstalkZB in the mornings (Niva Ritimanu) – I heard her at 7.12 am today refer to the PM as ‘teflon’….. and she wasn’t quoting someone else.

    The left are plain nasty. They hate John Key because he is hugely popular – despite their best efforts!

    Vote Positive? Yeah Right.

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  66. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Elaycee (4,319 comments) says:
    August 22nd, 2014 at 9:50 am

    …The left are plain nasty…

    Try reading some of the posts on here from your ‘right’ friends, they are just as nasty as anything I’ve read from the left.

    I think you will find that hating John Key is not because he’s popular – just as the right hate anyone who is a left leader, the left hate anyone who is the right leader. It’s tradition!

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  67. alloytoo (571 comments) says:

    @Rightnow

    Apparently Penny is ok with that.

    @Penny Bright

    Don’t you agree that Phil Goff is out of control, bullying public servants and lying to the media?

    If you were a impartial “Publicwatchdog” you would have been all over him over this?

    Who appointed you BTW, was that a transparent process, or one conducted behind close doors, what are your qualifications to distinguish fact from spin? (Time to get a refund on those.)

    You’re out of control Penny, out of control.

    Who watches the watchdog?

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  68. flash2846 (289 comments) says:

    You are all IDIOTS! FUCKING IDIOTS! While the best government in New Zealand’s history is fighting off Whaledump, Hager, Goff (for goodness sake), Dot Balloon, that cunt McCarten and all the unionists, jealous losers, bludgers maorinazis, feminazis and retards; the opposition candidates are sitting back laughing their heads off. We are in the shit and must fight back. Give a fire air and it burns so how about ignoring all the crap and only ever mentioning the great work achieved over the last six years?

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  69. IGM (518 comments) says:

    “Slimey” Soper is still on the case for his mate “Weasel” Goff . . . ably supported by NewstalkZB. This is getting to an unbearable situation that we should not be expected to tolerate. Goff has so much to answer for, but is not being held to account by any mainstream media, whether radio, Tv, or print . . . Why?

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  70. mikenmild (11,662 comments) says:

    What does Goff have to answer for? Wasn’t his role in the SIS business acknowledged years ago?

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  71. Igotta Numbum (465 comments) says:

    Right, here’s the smoking gun….

    So maybe it wasn’t…. but here’s the real smoking gun!

    No? Oh ok, my bad…. let’s try THIS smoking gun!

    OK, ok, so no smoking guns yet…. however, I really, REALLY have a smoking gun this time!!! HONEST!!!

    FFS, HERE’S THE SMOKING GUN!!!!!

    Fuck it.

    Smoking is bad for your health.

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  72. oldpark (373 comments) says:

    Seems a well known pest from the so called Daily Blog a guy called Selwyn

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  73. Nostalgia-NZ (5,274 comments) says:

    ‘I put in the OIA and within hours I was being pressured by the PM’s office and others senior in the government to withdraw the request.’

    That’s ‘regrettable’ as an apparent excuse. If he’s trying to ‘help’ maybe he should just shut up.

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  74. Elaycee (4,403 comments) says:

    @Judith: For starters, I really don’t think this ‘rightie’ is capable of ‘hate’… but that aside….

    David Cunliffe is a total puppet of the Unions and he just lurches from gaffe to gaffe whilst trying to appease all factions within Labour. And ‘appeasement’ won’t happen. Ever. And rather than the right ‘hate’ him, Cunliffe is simply an object of derision.

    In fact, I suspect the ‘right’ as you call it, would LOVE to see David Cunliffe elected leader of the Labour Party for life. :D

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  75. oldpark (373 comments) says:

    Selwyn Manning from the left of left Daily Blog site.According to Shaun Plunket from Radio Live,has also had SIS documents released to him ,post haste.Now that blows away the theory that only right wing bloggers get SIS DOCUMENTS.Would give Barry Soper a reprieve if he for once went and did some investigations, into the latest event kept quiet by the sleazy union invested MSM.

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  76. Yoza (1,906 comments) says:

    Lance (2,539 comments) says:
    August 22nd, 2014 at 8:52 am

    The best laugh you gave me this morning is your line “as trustworthy as a banker”

    Economics 101;
    Banking is based on trust. That is it’s core.

    Yeah, just like every other confidence scam.

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  77. Nostalgia-NZ (5,274 comments) says:

    I guess the PM’s office wanted WO to withdraw the OIA request to ensure old Goffy wasn’t embarrassed. I suppose it could happen – in Disneyland.

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  78. publicwatchdog (2,797 comments) says:

    So did both Warren Tucker and Beverley Wakem both lie to help cover Prime Minister John Key’s butt?

    New Zealand is perceived to be the least corrupt country in the world – what a sick joke.

    We need a genuinely Independent Commission Against Corruption – because so many of our statutory ‘Third Party Public Watchdogs’ are, in my considered opinion, worse than useless.

    Penny Bright

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  79. Pete George (23,680 comments) says:

    What does Goff have to answer for? Wasn’t his role in the SIS business acknowledged years ago?

    He has chosen to go to media now accusing Key and his office of lying and leaking, while Goff has a history of leaking and a history of blatant lying right up to last night.

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  80. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    mikenmild, “What does Goff have to answer for? Wasn’t his role in the SIS business acknowledged years ago?”

    Kind of. The fact that he lied was proven and acknowledged back then, yes, but the fact he then pressured Tucker to delay the OIA release is news, at least to me.

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  81. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @Nostalgia-NZ (4,988 comments) says:
    August 22nd, 2014 at 10:18 am

    Instead of trying to help, perhaps he should just get help.

    He’s been described as very clever, but how clever is it for someone who knows all about sites who don’t take the appropriate security measures to ensure their data stays safe, for Whaleoil to then leave his site insufficiently protected, and therefore able to be hacked.

    Imagine if Whaleoil was a sensible person? What would we have to talk about?

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  82. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    Judith, you know the old saying, it’s better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you’re a fool, than to open it and prove them right. You’ve just proven again that you know nothing about IT security.

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  83. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Pete George (23,154 comments) says:
    August 22nd, 2014 at 10:32 am

    And how many lies has John Key told over the years, and he’s been allowed to keep talking?

    How many lies has Collins told, and she’s still the Minister of Justice (that’s an oxymoron in itself).

    We could go on and on and on about all the various politicians who have been dishonest and continued to make public comment – some very successfully (I did not have sexual relations with that woman).

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  84. muggins (3,800 comments) says:

    I have put in a number of OI requests during the past few weeks and the average response time has been around seven working days.

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  85. wf (464 comments) says:

    I inadvertently heard D Cunnliffe on the radio this morning, using his earnest and sincere believe-me-I-know-what-I’m saying-is-right-for-you voice, and it struck me that he sounded just like Judith.

    I turned the radio off.

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  86. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @RightNow (6,783 comments) says:
    August 22nd, 2014 at 10:38 am

    Was Whaleoil’s blog ‘hacked’ ? Was Whaleoil’s data copied? I may not know a lot about computers but I know that anything sensitive you don’t want other people to see, you don’t store it in the same way Whaleoil did. Just the fact we are having this conversation is proof that he didn’t take due care.

    I have data stored in various places all over the internet – e.g. with my bank. None of that gets hacked because they take the appropriate steps to ensure that it can’t happen.

    Whaleoil didn’t. Just having stuff like that in the situation it was sourced – is an extremely stupid thing to do, given the sensitivity of it, and the manner in which he conducts himself, knowing he must have enemies. He did NOT protect his data. The govts sensitive information is stored so it can’t be accessed in the same way as well, so it is possible to do, Whaleoil just didn’t bother.

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  87. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    “You are all IDIOTS! FUCKING IDIOTS! While the best government in New Zealand’s history”

    Get a life.

    To hell with Helen Key and his prog compromisers.

    They can go down and if half of NZ doesn’t know how bad Labour and the rest will be for them then its time they found out the hard way.

    If Key loses we kill two birds with one stone. Free National from the grip of the Progressives and give those braindead knuckle draggers sucked in by the extreme left a chance to learn the lesson they need so badly to learn.

    Sure, pain for a term or two, but after that, all good.

    Well worth it. Nothing else will get National back to the party it was meant to be. Nothing else will rid NZ of the communist plague.

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  88. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    OMG Judith, and still you keep opening your mouth… the stupid is strong with you.

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  89. Pete George (23,680 comments) says:

    From NZ Herald:

    “Look, at the end of the day this reflects badly on political and media culture in New Zealand.

    “I don’t necessarily agree with the conclusions Hager draws, and I denounce the illegal manner in which this private correspondence was stolen.

    “There is, however, no denying that it exposes something most ordinary New Zealanders would disapprove of.

    “I deplore the modus operandi of Slater and his associates. I’d like to think we’re better than that.

    “I’m standing down Jason Ede from his new role in the National Party office pending a review of the way the Prime Minister’s office operates.

    “We all have to examine and rethink the way we do business, and I invite leaders of other parties to similarly ask these questions about their own operations.”

    That is exactly what I would expect from a responsible Prime Minister. Unfortunately that ‘quote’ was preceded by:

    Bafflingly, John Key has chosen not to say anything like:

    I’m baffled too, and very disappointed.

    Source: Toby Manhire: Amid the dirt, here’s a glossary

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  90. Chuck Bird (4,923 comments) says:

    Is this a good reason not to do what is right?

    John Key: Dropping Maori seats would mean ‘hikois from hell’
    5:00 AM Friday Aug 22, 2014

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11312498

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  91. Pete George (23,680 comments) says:

    Chuck – politically, yes, it’s a good reason to leave things as they are. It’s not exactly a major problem, we also still get the same number of votes.

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  92. Chuck Bird (4,923 comments) says:

    PG, it depends on your priorities. Democracy is important to me. This is one example. Lack of binding referenda is another.

    I also am strongly opposed caving in to threats of violence.

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  93. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ RightNow (6,784 comments) says:
    August 22nd, 2014 at 10:46 am

    And the AH is strong in you.

    Slater should have copied Simon Lusk’s advice and kept a computer that wasn’t on line.
    Have you read this mornings dump – very entertaining. I love the racist innuendo – that will go down well.

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  94. publicwatchdog (2,797 comments) says:

    Seen this Kiwibloggers?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11312402

    John Drinnan: Slater has a friend in Israel

    Cameron Slater and his Whale Oil Beef Hooked website have some passionate advocates. But Slater presents some risks as part of a public relations strategy.

    For instance, DB Breweries was this week trying to distance itself from Slater, after revelations in the Nicky Hager book Dirty Politics, while the chief executive of the Food and Grocery Council, Katherine Rich, was also keeping her head down.

    Both are alleged to have used Whale Oil to criticise opponents, though both have denied asking their PR representative to have items placed on the site.

    But the Israeli Embassy in Wellington is relaxed about picking Slater – a climate change denier – to cover the World Science Conference in Israel. Despite the bad publicity, it believes Slater is “fair-minded” and “spiritual”.

    ______________________________________________________________________________________________

    Despite the bad publicity, it believes Slater is “fair-minded” and “spiritual”.

    You have GOT to be joking!!!

    Another reason to close down the Israeli Embassy?

    Penny Bright

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  95. OneTrack (3,218 comments) says:

    Judith – “Try reading some of the posts on here from your ‘right’ friends, they are just as nasty as anything I’ve read from the left. ”

    Absolute rubbish. Try the Standard. The hate and vile there is scary.

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  96. lilman (965 comments) says:

    Pay youre rates you thieving nutbar.

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  97. Pete George (23,680 comments) says:

    I don’t think it is meant as a threat of violence, I’m not aware of hikois being known for violence, they are usually peaceful protests.

    I take it as meaning political hell.

    Democracy is important to me too. My preference is not to have much larger demographic specific electorates but I don’t see them as a particular problem for democracy.

    Those who choose to go on the Maori roll get what they want, I’m happy with what I can vote for, I don’t want to have an option for a special electorate – I don’t see the problem.

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  98. Lindsay Addie (1,588 comments) says:

    Judith,

    Your 10.44am post about security of data regarding Whaleoil. That is a very good point, which I don’t know the answer. Be interesting to know for example were his emails and other data tightly protected or did the hacker have a much easier time of getting it?

    Also I must also say I find it difficult to condone in any way what Slater did with all that Labour Party information he got his hands on.

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  99. Pete George (23,680 comments) says:

    Judith – “Try reading some of the posts on here from your ‘right’ friends, they are just as nasty as anything I’ve read from the left. ”

    Absolute rubbish. Try the Standard. The hate and vile there is scary.

    I’ve seen as bad here at times (but it seems to be going through a better patch, perhaps more respect being given to DPF).

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  100. kowtow (8,733 comments) says:

    oldpark

    Selwyn Manning was on J Mora’s ,RNZ,talking about that SIS release. You might want to have a listen.Guest was Chris Trotsky and some other guy. They still manged to turn it into a VRWC!

    Mora was talking about the murder of Foley too.Bewildered he was. He siad it’s not in the book. I can only guess he meant the Koran. Well Jim it is in the book,that’s why they do it.

    Mora also talked of Obummers’ “eloquence” on the issue. Sorry Jim, but Obummer mentioned cancer but couldn’t mention the “M” or “I” word.

    Our MSM really are complicit in the multicultural agenda.Along with the permanent political class.

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  101. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    “I also am strongly opposed caving in to threats of violence.”

    So am I but there’s not many like us around Chuck.

    Spineless sickly white liberals who are socially and politically ascendant today would cave in at the drop of a hat on most issues.

    if they stood up for what was right, someone might call them “racist..!!!”

    Or even worse, someone might claim to be “offended”.

    They’d soon crawl back into their warrens.

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  102. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    Anyhoo, I take it the Greens aren’t so much against Whaling any more.

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  103. Elaycee (4,403 comments) says:

    Is it a coincidence some of the biggest bleats and whinges about Cameron Slater and WOBH are emanating from commenters who have been shown the arse card from….. Whale Oil?

    Who’da thought? :P

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  104. Pete George (23,680 comments) says:

    Selective morality RN.

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  105. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    Judith: “Have you read this mornings dump – very entertaining.”

    I can only assume you’ve been analysing your stool:

    http://www.oprah.com/health/Everybody-Poops

    “It should be an S shape and you want to make sure the color’s normal because the color of the poop tells you a lot about how you made it,” Dr. Oz says

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  106. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    Cameron Slater bills Simon Lusk $5K for “social media management”.

    No matter, I reckon all those Whale sycophants he calls his army like being used and manipulated.

    Its probably a sexual thing with them.

    Or maybe just another example of the Jim Jones syndrome.

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  107. Tom Barker (145 comments) says:

    Both Cameron Slater and Judith Collins state their personal creed as “If you can’t be loved, be feared.” But what if you can no longer be feared? Be pitied? Be despised? Any other suggestions?

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  108. alloytoo (571 comments) says:

    @Judith

    I wasn’t aware Slater’s bank offered an email service.

    @Penny

    Your silence suggests you condone Phil Goff’s bullying public servants and lying to the media.

    Also suggests you’re a partisan player. Who’s financing you Penny, how many times have you been to the Mansion?

    None I wager, I reckon you’re too low on the ladder to visit your real boss.

    Who watches the watchdog?

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  109. publicwatchdog (2,797 comments) says:

    Crikey!

    Seen THIS Kiwibloggers?

    Just as well Cameron Slater is a friend / supporter of the National Party – hate to see what he would do as an enemy ….

    _________________________________________________________________________________________________

    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/08/bill-english-pious-hypocrite/#more-151436

    BILL ENGLISH IS A PIOUS HYPOCRITE

    by Cameron Slater on August 22, 2014 at 10:00am

    Some days ago Bill English was piously claiming that he would never do anything dirty like talk to a blogger.

    This came as a huge surprise as anyone that has been around the National Party for as long as I have knows all sorts of exceptionally dodgy stuff Bill English has done in the past to get his own way. The stories are endless and probably should come out.

    We could start with tipping out Bolger, which the brat pack were behind. Then there was the tipping out of Shipley so Bill could take National to 21% in the polls. Then there was the brutal internal war when Don Brash managed to beat Bill and put National back in play in the 2005. Then there was the nasty stuff extracting Utu on people who supported Key for leader when Bill could only muster 7 out of 48 votes.

    Since Bill is trying to convince the public he is holier than thou there probably should be some stories coming out about the nasty, deceitful and horrible campaigns he has run in the past.
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________

    I guess the following words of wisdom – (weren’t they from former National Prime Minister Robert Muldoon?)

    “WHEN YOU’RE IN A HOLE – STOP DIGGING!”

    weren’t drummed into Cameron Slater from an early age?

    Looks like the 2014 National Party election campaign going to be harpooned by ‘the Whale’?

    bugger

    Penny Bright

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  110. kowtow (8,733 comments) says:

    Integration?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/11049851/More-British-Muslims-fight-in-Syria-than-in-UK-Armed-Forces.html

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  111. Nookin (3,455 comments) says:

    Given that the news media is not even remotely interested in any sort of objective analysis of policies and has become utterly addicted to screaming headlines (many of which there are no resemblance to the following stories), most of which are focusing on the dirty politics of one side only, I have decided to take a rest from radio and television news. I am finding it very therapeutic.

    I still try to catch up with news items that effect in areas of professional interest – such as employment law. I noted this headline today:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/small-business/10411669/Father-fined-17k-for-sacking-son
    So, it seems, I still cannot escape from the sheer bloody incompetence of idiots who should not be allowed within a kilometre of a pen, keyboard or computer.

    To the blithering idiot who wrote this headline, a “fine” is a penalty imposed. Usually it involves going to court or some other tribunal that has authority to impose penal sanctions. Sometimes, we get spot fines although I think that they may be called infringement fees. When a civil court or tribunal awards compensation, it is not “fining” somebody. It is actually reimbursing an aggrieved party for losses incurred as a result of a breach of employment obligations. In this case it included holiday pay entitlements, lost wages and compensation for the way in which the father went about it. There was not a penal element involved.

    The standard of journalism in this country is spiralling downwards and is becoming less and less responsible. I guess “farm worker compensated for unjustified dismissal” is not sound sufficiently dramatic despite its accuracy.
    Sorry to distract anyone from their fixation with “dirty politics”.

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  112. MH (810 comments) says:

    its all become “blog and tell’ Blog’n hell

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  113. flash2846 (289 comments) says:

    Well said Nookin, I have also switched off the msm and talk-back radio.
    My next project which I will force myself to find the time for is to list all the advertisers on TV3, TVNZ, The Herald etc, write of my disgust to their respective directors. I will then pass details on to Kiwiblog and Whaleoil patrons.
    I won’t be buying products/services from these businesses unless absolutely necessary.

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  114. Chuck Bird (4,923 comments) says:

    “So am I but there’s not many like us around Chuck.”

    RB, others may have seen I have been very strong on criticizing really nasty racist anti Maori comments.

    Like Don Brash and Winston I am opposed to the Maori seats. Neither of them are anti-Maori.

    Key suggest we leave it up to Maori. What does he mean by that – those on the Maori role?

    If not how else could Maori vote on it.

    Should we allow body snatching as long as the majority of Tuhoe approve of it.

    That is another example of caving into violence.

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  115. alloytoo (571 comments) says:

    @Penny

    It would appear you have competition in the “Publicwatchdog” stakes.

    Slater’s article on English supports his assertion that he “calls em like he sees em.”

    You on the other hand have yet to comment on Phil Goff’s lying and bullying.

    Is there a reason why Penny?

    Who’s pulling your strings?

    A large German puppet master perhaps?

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  116. HB (328 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503462&objectid=11306513

    “Police numbers are being cut in Hawke’s Bay despite statistics showing those already in the job are struggling to cope with the worst crime rates in the country.”

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  117. stephieboy (3,379 comments) says:

    Kim Dotcom fights to keep fortune secret,

    “Internet entrepreneur Kim Dotcom is appealing a judgment ordering him to reveal his total fortune to a group of Hollywood music and movie studios.
    Dotcom was ordered to make full disclosure of his assets, including those not subject to current freezing orders, in a decision released by Justice Patricia Courtney last month.
    Justice Courtney’s judgment gave Dotcom until today to reveal his assets.
    Dotcom’s lawyer, Tracey Walker, said Dotcom was appealing the judgment. She would not say why……”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/60749011/kim-dotcom-fights-to-keep-fortune-secr

    Hmmmm…!

    Laila Harre undoubtedly looking fervently back over her shoulders. ?

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  118. hj (7,062 comments) says:

    The mystery of the pause in global warming may have been solved. The answer seems to lie at the bottom of the sea
    http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21613161-mystery-pause-global-warming-may-have-been-solved-answer-seems?

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  119. rangitoto (248 comments) says:

    Why does anyone give a shit whether or not John Key learned that Phil Goff was a liar three years ago?

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  120. publicwatchdog (2,797 comments) says:

    Here you go Kiwibloggers – just been published on the NBR:

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/national-key-take-knock-post-hager-digipoll-ck-161236

    #12 by Penny Bright

    For the public to have confidence in Government at the highest levels, we must have genuine transparency, accountability and the ‘highest ethical standards’.

    The FACTS that have been revealed through Nicky Hager’s ‘Dirty Politics’ prove that New Zealand’s ‘perceived’ status as the ‘least corrupt country in the world’, is meaningless garbage.

    In my considered opinion, the party political, unregulated Office of the Prime Minister, is completely out of control.

    In my considered opinion, and clear understanding, it’s the supposedly apolitical, impartial DEPARTMENT OF THE PRIME MINISTER AND CABINET (DPMC) that should be handling OIA requests/ replies and dealing with the SIS – NOT the Office of the Prime Minister.

    Why is no one else focusing on this pivotal issue?

    Where is the ‘Rule of Law’ / regulations / protocols and procedures that are supposed to guide how things are to be done in a proper way at the highest levels of Government in New Zealand?

    How are Ministers to be held accountable to the ‘highest ethical standards’, by the Prime Minister (as set out in the Cabinet Manual), when the moral compass of John Key is apparently stuck on Wall Street?

    ie: No laws / rules / regulations/ ethics / morals – just unbridled free-market casino capitalism at its most debauched?

    How does Prime Minister John Key who has come directly from that Wall Street banker environment, detoxify, and transmogrify into a decent, honorable Statesman, committed to serving the public and the public interest?

    It appears that he doesn’t / hasn’t – and now our New Zealand has been contaminated at the highest levels with these ‘Wall Street’ ways.

    Time for a HUGE clean out?

    I think so.

    Penny Bright

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  121. Chuck Bird (4,923 comments) says:

    This sort of pettiness is what is bad for race relations not expecting non-racist election laws.

    ‘Kia ora’ is New Zealand English.

    Teen quits job after boss tells her not to say ‘kia ora’
    8:16 AM Friday Aug 22, 2014

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11312627

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  122. m@tt (631 comments) says:

    @rangitoto.
    “Why does anyone give a shit whether or not John Key learned that Phil Goff was a liar three years ago?”
    Exactly. He should have been told by Tucker, and was according to his own words, because that was the no surprises policy! As I said before he should have said ‘Yes, Tucker told me about it, and so what?”

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  123. publicwatchdog (2,797 comments) says:

    No one ‘pulls my strings’ ‘alloytoo’ – whoever you are.

    Given how Nicky Hager’s book ‘Dirty Politics’ has exposed how blogs can be used to attack people, can you please tell me your (real) name, and if anyone is paying you in your (pathetic) attempts to try and discredit me?

    Good luck with that – you’ll need it……

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

    (Who at least puts her name to her posts.)

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  124. Albert_Ross (310 comments) says:

    Thanks OneTrack

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  125. stigie (1,310 comments) says:

    This book may come back and bite you hard on the bum Penny !~

    (Meant of course in a caring sort of way)

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  126. Lucia Maria (2,609 comments) says:

    Redbaiter,

    They can go down and if half of NZ doesn’t know how bad Labour and the rest will be for them then its time they found out the hard way.

    If Key loses we kill two birds with one stone. Free National from the grip of the Progressives and give those braindead knuckle draggers sucked in by the extreme left a chance to learn the lesson they need so badly to learn.

    Sure, pain for a term or two, but after that, all good.

    Well worth it. Nothing else will get National back to the party it was meant to be. Nothing else will rid NZ of the communist plague.

    That never works. All it does is entrench the communists even more.

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  127. graham (2,346 comments) says:

    publicwatchdog at 1:03 pm:

    Given how Nicky Hager’s book ‘Dirty Politics’ has exposed how blogs can be used to attack people, can you please tell me your (real) name, and if anyone is paying you in your (pathetic) attempts to try and discredit me?

    Yes, I think it’s terrible how some people use blogs to try and discredit people. Wouldn’t you agree, Penny?

    *cough* http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/08/general_debate_22_august_2014.html/comment-page-1#comment-1386611 *cough*

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  128. Nookin (3,455 comments) says:

    Penny

    The SIS handles OIRs where the request relates to information held by the SIS.
    The Prime Minister does not handle OIR requests on behalf of the SIS.
    The PM may be informed of a request under the “no surprises” convention but he does not approve or veto such requests.
    Tucker handled the request in this case. He also sought his own legal advice. He informed the PMs office under the “no surprises” rule. He also informed the PM’s office that there were no legal grounds to deny the request. What he wrong to say that? If so, why and on what grounds?
    No-one, at least as far as I can see, has ever said that Key was instrumental in the request. The issue is when and how he came to know of it, if at all.
    What specific facts or statutory provisions have you considered in reaching your “considered” opinion that it is the function of DPMC to handle OIA requests directed at the SIS?
    Assume, for the moment (without any evidence to substantiate the conclusion), that Key approved the request and that his approval was simply recognition that the request could not be denied, on what basis do you assert that it was wrong and not in the public interest to release papers that showed that the leader of the opposition was telling lies?

    Here is an extract from an article by one Nicky Hager (http://www.nickyhager.info/where-are-you-ethically-a-speech-to-the-to-the-records-management-association-of-australasia-conference-10-september-2007/)
    I would like you to read this and tell me whether it is appropriate for the public to know that Mr Goff can be a nasty and vindictive person as evidenced by the events that Hager unfolds?

    Will you consider, for a moment, that your criticisms are founded more in bigotry and prejudice and an objective consideration of all issues?

    “Although my right, under our freedom of information laws, to the thirty-year-old documents was clear, there are all sorts of tricks that agencies can play to thwart a requester. The first tactic was delays. It should take 20 owrking days, but it took about a year of effort and negotiation with the agences concerned to get agreement that they would release the documents. Then, just when I thought I was about to receive them, the officials referred my requests to the relevant Minister for ‘consultation’. This was the beginning of more months of delay, during which some faceless Ministerial adviser appears to have decided that this old history might not be a good news story for the government. As a result, they used one of the tricks of the trade of this new breed of information controllers.

    After waiting over a year and expending lots of time to get the East Timor information, the Minister (Phil Goff) finally sent the pile of documents to me in the post on a Friday afternoon. But at the same time it was posted to me, and a few days before I would receive it, the same bundle of documents was delivered without explanation to every media organisation in the parliamentary press gallery. You can see the point of the trick. With no background or understanding of the issue, and Friday night drinks approaching, the journalists leafed through the released papers and whipped off quick and immemorable stories. But by the time the envelope arrived in my letterbox there was little prospect of me being able to use the same information for a more substantial story.”

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  129. Paulus (2,658 comments) says:

    Am I correct in that Whale’s blogsite was not the subject of collecting stolen emails, but these were stolen from his personal email account.

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  130. Nookin (3,455 comments) says:

    correction to last post.
    Should have been “… more in bigotry and prejudice than an objective…

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  131. cha (4,078 comments) says:

    The gift that keeps on giving…

    ————————-
    Cameron Slater, 3/14, 11:00pm

    http://thestandard.org.nz/chart-of-the-day-measuring-success/

    Theya re running Key is jinxed and cursed

    the previous post this morning was how National caused the earthquake and oil and food shocks
    ————————-
    Simon Lusk, 3/14, 11:07pm

    they are fucken stupid

    all they have to do is have faith

    gerry will totally fuck up the rebuild

    i’ll do you a post
    ————————-
    Cameron Slater, 3/14, 11:08pm

    lol

    too true
    ————————-

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  132. stigie (1,310 comments) says:

    Good summary Nookin but quite sure that will go right over Pennys head !~

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  133. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    The rank hypocrisy of the rightards never fails to amuse. Imagine the outrage if dotcom had referred to a section of the Kiwi public as ‘scum’. The faux outrage meter would be off the scale. DPF would not doubt have done one of his utterly predictable posts on the topic. And what a dimbulb Slater has turned out to be -fancy allowing yourself to get hacked! He has let down all his Nat mates, especially crusher collins! What an utter humiliation it must be, the mere thought of a dweeb like Hager ferreting thru all your private emails!! The sense of anger, and violation, must be over-whelming!!

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  134. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    publicwatchdog (2,211 comments) says:
    August 22nd, 2014 at 11:00 am

    Seen this Kiwibloggers?

    Oh jebus, not another mad old biddie analysing her stool, please!

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  135. publicwatchdog (2,797 comments) says:

    Nookin – try looking on the DPMC website – for yourself.

    Like I have done:)

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  136. alloytoo (571 comments) says:

    @Penny

    Seems I touched a nerve Penny, are my questions a little too close to home, is your bias and hypocrisy a little too exposed.

    I ask questions Penny, questions which you usually fail to answer. I don’t need to discredit you Penny, your own actions do that for themselves.

    So here are some questions:

    1. Have you paid your rates?
    2. Have you made restitution to Auckland city for your part in the costs and damages related to your October 2011 squatting in Aotea Square.
    3. Why haven’t you condemned Phil Goff for bullying public servants for lying to the public.
    4. Is hacking private email accounts morally wrong? (we already know it’s illegal.)
    5. Who appointed you “Publicwatchdog?” Was it a democratic process?
    6. Who sponsors your “activist” lifestyle. Patrons, or the poor New Zealand Taxpayer?
    7. Don’t you think quoting your own delusional rantings as news is well…..delusional.

    “Watching the Watchdogs” – Alloytoo

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  137. RRM (10,001 comments) says:

    Yes, what sort of sick sad bastard would use a blog to attack and discredit someone?

    Oh wait… PENNY BRIGHT would do that: http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com/

    publicwatchdog at 1:03 pm:

    Given how Nicky Hager’s book ‘Dirty Politics’ has exposed how blogs can be used to attack people, can you please tell me your (real) name, and if anyone is paying you in your (pathetic) attempts to try and discredit me?

    Speaking of which… we never did get to the bottom of who it was, who gave you that $10,000 towards one of your legal adventures, did we Penny?

    :-) What a turd you are.

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  138. alloytoo (571 comments) says:

    @Paulus

    My understanding was that Slater’s private gmail was hacked around the same time as the DDOS attack.

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  139. Nookin (3,455 comments) says:

    I have done, Penelope. I just have difficulty seeing where it says that DPMC handles requests for official information directed at SIS. Certainly, it handles requests for information on matters within its purview but I have been unable to see anywhere in the New Zealand Security Intelligence Service Act or the Official Information Act that suggests that DPMC has any responsibility for official information requests relating to the SIS. Perhaps you could point me in the right direction.
    While you are on song, how about answering the rest of my questions?

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  140. Fletch (6,486 comments) says:

    More intolerance by homosexuals.

    Owners of a family farm in Schaghticoke, New York, are being fined $13,000 for refusing to allow a gay wedding ceremony to take place on their property in 2012, just one year after the state legalized same-sex nuptials.

    Cynthia and Robert Gifford, owners of Liberty Ridge Farm, a family-friendly farm and special events venue, told Jennifer McCarthy and Melisa Erwin, a lesbian couple from Newark, New Jersey, that they were welcome to hold their reception on the property, but not the actual wedding ceremony, according to Religion News Service.

    The Giffords live on the premises and these ceremonies are typically conducted on the first floor of their home or on the nearby property. Considering that they are Christians and consider marriage to be confined to relationships involving one man and one woman, the two weren’t comfortable hosting McCathy and Erwin’s nuptials.

    An attorney for the couple told Religion News Service that the two have both employed gay staffers and hosted events for same-sex couples in the past, but that a gay wedding ceremony in their home was too close for comfort.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/21/judge-fines-christian-farm-owners-13000-for-refusing-to-host-gay-wedding/

    It’s their HOME, FFS. If you don’t agree with gay marriage, the last thing place you want it carried out is in your home, especially if you are religious. It looks like gay rights trump the rights of property owners. Don’t think it won’t happen here, either.

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  141. Pete George (23,680 comments) says:

    lprent talks tough on his own turf.

    Last time I looked, he thought it was all my fault and then started on the other authors. He is rather obsessional old fool.

    I was thinking about responding on kiwiblog and/or whaleoil. Based on past performances it’d be like lobbing a Pete George grenade into the comments of whatever post I did it in… grin

    Fire ahead Lynn. I have a few questions I’d like to ask you. On neutral territory would be fair.

    What I thought was your fault was appearing to be telling fibs on Radio NZ and elsewhere. I’m not sure what you thought ‘it all’ was.

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  142. deadrightkev (507 comments) says:

    As the little nation that could sits asleep at the wheel I see National and Finlayson apologising for Tuhoe harbouring rebel thugs who murdered innocent settlers, babies and other Maori in the 1800s. Why did they not mention them in the Royal NZ Herald article fawning over Tuhoe today?

    Tuhoe were repeatedly told there would be confiscations of land if they acted against the Crown. Tuhoe ignored the Crown and here we are in 2014 being insulted yet again, as we have with the other National Finlayson treaty scam apologies and pay-outs based on fiction.

    Finlayson is a traitor and National should be thrown out of office. This apology is not justified in any way. The Tuhoe settlement is blatant fraud. This scam is a much more relevant issue this election than Slater’s dirty laundry.

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  143. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    “That never works. All it does is entrench the communists even more.”

    All Communist govts are eventually overthrown. Even Soviet Russia govt with all of its terror and violence was eventually overthrown by its citizens. So will China be one day. Just a matter of spilling blood.

    As for National and Helen Key, I’m done supporting a bunch of cowards & compromisers just because they’re perceived as the best of a bad bunch.

    Especially after this stuff from Slater et al has shown just how bad they really are. Rotten to the core.

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  144. Pete George (23,680 comments) says:

    I don’t think the relationship between Slater and National or Slater and Key is anything like what Hager has suggested. Possibly far from it.

    In fact the seem quite distant except for occasions of potential mutual benefit. Hager may have overstated Key-Slater relationship, possibly substantially.

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  145. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    Stoopid cops!

    “Police have this week renewed calls for public assistance to identify the hooded perpetrator, who fled as soon as she held up the spray can.

    But they warn dairy owners have few legal grounds to justify arming themselves.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/10412663/Pepper-spray-sends-knifeman-fleeing

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  146. calendar girl (1,261 comments) says:

    Three points for the self-styled ‘Public Watchdog’, Penny Bright:

    @ 10:31am: ‘So did both Warren Tucker and Beverley Wakem both lie to help cover Prime Minister John Key’s butt?’ That is a particularly cowardly attempt to smear two experienced and well-respected public sevants who cannot genuinely defend themselves. It is made worse by the use of the old activists’ trick of framing a defamatory remark as an innocuous question in order to minimise the risk of facing a libel claim in the High Court.

    @ 11.00am: ‘Another reason to close down the Israeli Embassy?’ People in this country expressing an interest in New Zealand ‘closing’ the Israeli Embassy in Wellington (i.e. severing diplomatic relations with Israel) could normally expect to be regarded as holding anti-semitic views. You may care to clarify your own attitudes with regard to anti-semiticism.

    @ 1:03pm: Penny Bright http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com (Who at least puts her name to her posts.) You might feel free to do that, when you yourself don’t have a business to run (or even perhaps a real job to hold down?). But there are many here who simply cannot enjoy such open freedoms. That is because there are too many extreme activists out there whose modus operandi extends to ‘punishing’ financially those who dare to express a contrary viewpoint. The implication behind your self-congratulatory remarks concerning use of your own name in your public utterances is presumably that the views of others, by comparison, are of little merit. In this context, as in others, your degree of self-deception is as remarkable as it is pitiful.

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  147. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    Beverley Wakem LOL

    “WHAT A BUNCH OF BULLSHITTING WANKERS THE OMBUDSMAN’S OFFICE TURNED OUT TO BE! THEY WERE BENT COP LOVERS BACK IN 1987 AND THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVEN’T CHANGED FOR THE BETTER SINCE THEN.”

    http://bcops.wordpress.com/what-does-the-word-ombudsman-actually-mean/

    Beverley Wakem

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  148. UrbanNeocolonialist (309 comments) says:

    Jackinabox: Police detest anyone who muscles in on their turf (ie fighting badies), cos they think that only they should be permitted to do it. Like guilds of old and unions of today it’s an emotional response to any perceived competition.

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  149. Jack5 (5,145 comments) says:

    Finlayson apologised to Tuhoe today.

    Just when Hager had persuaded me to return my vote to National.

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  150. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    I see I have missed nothing here today, same old twaddle as yesterday, by the same old yesterdays people. I left KB and others for a year while sailing the Pacific and I come back and nothing has changed, same old same old. You lot need to get out more and try and come up with some new arguments. National good, Labour bad is really getting tedious.

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  151. RF (1,446 comments) says:

    Time to pass the hat around for the poor old ABs. They must be down to their last million as I have seen Hansen advertising ovens. Carter selling heat pumps and deodorant, McCaw flogging off garages. There are numerous others… Poor buggers times are tough.. Brings a tear to my eye.

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  152. wiseowl (928 comments) says:

    Agree Red.
    The other comment I heard today about Lusk getting paid to get the right people as National candidates makes me wonder what has happened to the way they used to select candidates.
    Who the hell does Lusk think he is and why the hell are National Party members allowing this interference in their selection process?

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  153. publicwatchdog (2,797 comments) says:

    Are you just being wilfully THICK Nookin?

    The issue is the role of the unregulated, party political – cover John Key’s butt as Leader of the National Party iOffice of the Prime Minister having ANYTHING to do with the SIS – end of story.

    How can this issue – which cuts to the heart of our democracy – and public confidence in the highest levels of Government, be dismissed as a ‘distraction’?

    PS: It’s an OIA (Official Information Act) request – not an OIR.

    You obviously haven’t done many OIA requests?

    (Meant of course in a caring way:)

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  154. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Jack5 (4,783 comments) says:
    August 22nd, 2014 at 5:03 pm

    When you say ‘me’ are you meaning yourself, or your office? :-)

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  155. publicwatchdog (2,797 comments) says:

    I don’t use the services of the Office of the Ombudsman.

    Like the Office of the Auditor- General, I have found both to be spectacularly useless.

    I’ll call it as I see it – you don’t have to like it.

    But I think you’ll find that there are a LOT of New Zealanders who will agree with me.

    Penny Bright

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  156. nasska (11,788 comments) says:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/rb49qrt8atom9wr/Cuckoo%2015.jpg

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  157. RF (1,446 comments) says:

    An observation …. Is Labour in need of an orthodontic dental plan. I notice that Cunners tilts his head forward and lowers his jaw that twists to o the right. Gives him an unfortunate smirk. Bloody there on TV tonight I see the labour west coast MP with the same affliction, a twisted jaw. I thought Helen Clark was bad enough. It’s nice to be perfect .. That’s why there are no
    Mirrors at home.

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  158. graham (2,346 comments) says:

    You know … I get this vague feeling that Penny isn’t going to answer any of the questions that have been asked of her above.

    Which I find peculiar, because Penny is normally very OPEN and TRANSPARENT and, as such, is more than willing to answer questions. Oh wait … no, sorry, my mistake – that was someone else. John Key, I think his name was.

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  159. publicwatchdog (2,797 comments) says:

    Ah the Kiwibloggers anonymous gutless toothless goldfish are in a gumming frenzy.

    Thanks for that – just confirms I’m on the right track:)

    “You don’t cop the flak unless you’re over the target”.

    Keep semi-hysterical and carry on …..

    (Meant of course in a caring way :)

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  160. nasska (11,788 comments) says:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/zwhaqfxv9tpik12/Cuckoo%2021.jpg

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  161. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    “But I think you’ll find that there are a LOT of New Zealanders who will agree with me.”

    Wasn’t it a 127 that did last time you asked Penny? :)

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  162. Nookin (3,455 comments) says:

    Penelope
    In my experience, people who are out of their depth and have no merit whatsoever to their argument generally engage in intellectually dishonest practices (moving the goal posts and pretending that the real issue is something other than that clearly under discussion), engage in ad hominem arguments, and deliver spiteful and petty little barbs more in keeping with preschool playground spats. You are doing everything in your power to affirm my theory.
    BY the way:
    OIA = Official Information Act.
    OIR = Official information request.
    If I want to abbreviate terminology I will do so. I do not need your permission and I have no intention of catering for your inability to understand or your idiotic pretence that you do not understand for the sake of attempting puerile sarcasm. Get it?

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  163. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Is it just me that finds it completely hilarious that a scrawny wee, white poofter is apologising (on behalf of the dead Queen Victoria) to all those hideous moko’ed savages from the Urewera for beating the snot out of them a hundred and fifty years ago? :)

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  164. Jack5 (5,145 comments) says:

    Have the carefully unbiased folk at the NZ Herald web site photo-shopped a photograph of Whale Oil to distort it and make it look ugly? It’s placed beside a flattering picture of Hager the Horrible.

    To take a look, go to the Herald site, click on the Colin Craig article, then down t the bottom right under the heading “Discover More” and beside a heading ” A dirty politics glossary” you will see the picture I’m talking about. There’s another picture of Whale below, but that looks okay.

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  165. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Was that the one with the snarl Jack5?

    Luvved it! :)

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  166. publicwatchdog (2,797 comments) says:

    I’m speaking to a lot of my future constituents in Helensville who were amongst the 11,723 who voted for me in the 2013 Auckland Mayoral campaign.

    Seems that there are LOTS of the voting public in the Helensville electorate who HATE the Auckland Supercity for the 1%.

    That was railroaded through under urgency by the John Key led National/ACT coalition government, who lied to the public having promised to consult with the people of Auckland once the findings of the Royal Commission on Auckland Regional Governance were known.

    So what do you think bleating, sheepish Kiwibloggers (you know who you are) – how’s the Auckland Supercity working for you?

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  167. nasska (11,788 comments) says:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/7chsjwaxk565d1v/Cuckoo%2035.jpg

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  168. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Works fine for us folks in Wainui Penny! :)

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  169. publicwatchdog (2,797 comments) says:

    Oh diddums Nookin – you accuse me of making ad hominem remarks?

    You are SO funny!

    Harden up and ‘handle the jandal’ – you sad person.

    Or you can dish it – but you can’t take it?

    (Meant of course in a caring way :)

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  170. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    What’s your polling in Helensville looking like Penny?

    (Meant in a caring, interested way of course) :)

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  171. publicwatchdog (2,797 comments) says:

    PS Nookin – were you one of the few who correctly predicted that John Banks would be found guilty of electoral fraud and forced to resign from Parliament?

    Thought not.

    (I did:)

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  172. Nookin (3,455 comments) says:

    Again, penny, you prove my point.

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  173. publicwatchdog (2,797 comments) says:

    I don’t do polling.

    Prefer the old-fashioned getting out and meeting people – sort of thing.

    After successfully defending my right to speak at the Helensville candidates’ meeting held on Monday 11 August 2014 – I got LOTS of positive publicity, before, during and after.

    All good!

    Thanks for asking:)

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  174. graham (2,346 comments) says:

    So, if “You don’t cop the flak unless you’re over the target” …

    … if people having a go at you means you’re on the right track …

    … I guess that explains why Penny goes so rabid and keeps ‘gumming away’ at John Key.

    He’s obviously on the ‘right track’ – Penny realises this – hence why she ‘keeps semi-hysterical and carries on’.

    Explains a lot, doesn’t it?!

    (Edit: I kind of also think that, if Penny was REALLY serious about being OPEN and TRANSPARENT, she would ‘harden up and handle the jandal’ and actually ANSWER some of the questions that she’s being asked…)

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  175. publicwatchdog (2,797 comments) says:

    Whatever Nookin:)

    You have LOVELY evening – you’ve certainly helped make mine :)

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  176. nasska (11,788 comments) says:

    A woman burst in to an office one morning.

    “Which one of you bitches has been fucking my husband!?” she screamed at the typing pool.

    “Bit of a sex maniac is he, your fella?” asked the supervisor.

    “Too fucking right!”

    “I thought so” was the reply….. “Sharon and Sandra have just ducked under their desks, Jane’s in the broom cupboard and Dave’s run to the toilets.”

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  177. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    “Prefer the old-fashioned getting out and meeting people – sort of thing.”

    The poor, confused bastards probably thought it was Halloween when they met you Penny! :)

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  178. stigie (1,310 comments) says:

    Looks like you wont get your knitting done for you now JB ?

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  179. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    I got old Missus Gallagher to do it for half the price Penny wanted stigie then her boys popped down and wired it up!

    Works a treat. Penny is redundant! :)

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  180. Nostradamus (3,433 comments) says:

    Johnboy:

    Penny is redundant!

    Well, if not now, she will be after 20 September!

    And, once Auckland City complete the legal formalities, she may be homeless too!

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  181. Nookin (3,455 comments) says:

    Off you go then Penny. While you’re making yourself a hot toddy, why don’t you come up with a new exit strategy? Backing off the debate, refusing to respond to questions and making silly little jibes on the way out gets altogether tedious after a while. For what it’s worth, I made no predictions about Banks. Sometimes, it pays to keep an open mind. Try it one day. If you can get the door ajar.

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  182. OneTrack (3,218 comments) says:

    publicwatchdog – “So what do you think bleating, sheepish Kiwibloggers (you know who you are) – how’s the Auckland Supercity working for you?”

    You are right Penny. What were Aucklanders thinking when they voted for the left-wing Labour mayor Len Brown? He is well on the way to bankrupting the city. Hmm, might the same thing happen to the country if the left win in September?

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  183. Reid (16,632 comments) says:

    And, once Auckland City complete the legal formalities, she may be homeless too!

    Bit harsh.

    Penny may not follow the norms but she has her principles.

    I’m not sure why they seem to be so rigid in this particular respect but you pays your money and you takes your choice.

    Lots of people wimp out at the starting gate, but she doesn’t.

    In her own way, and Penny please I wish you’d moderate your principles for your own good, she reminds me of Kipling’s sentiment expressed thusly:

    If you can keep your head when all about you
    Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
    If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
    But make allowance for their doubting too;
    If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
    Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
    Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
    And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

    If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
    If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
    If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
    And treat those two impostors just the same;
    If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
    Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
    Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
    And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

    If you can make one heap of all your winnings
    And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
    And lose, and start again at your beginnings
    And never breathe a word about your loss;
    If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
    To serve your turn long after they are gone,
    And so hold on when there is nothing in you
    Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

    If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
    Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
    If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
    If all men count with you, but none too much;
    If you can fill the unforgiving minute
    With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
    Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
    And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!

    But Penny, remember wisdom.

    What you’re doing with your rates may be brave, but it’s not wise, my friend: e.g. the first line of the second verse…

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  184. kowtow (8,733 comments) says:

    Al Jazeera reports via its ticker ,not a proper news item,that Hamas has executed 11 people in Gaza for collaborating with Israel.

    How much due process did the 11 get? Probably tortured and then shot. Of course it’s Israel’s fault, the occupation you see, but then they don’t occupy Gaza.

    Will the Minto and BDS mob protest ?

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  185. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    kowtow says at 9:14 pm

    “Al Jazeera reports via its ticker that Hamas has executed 11 people in Gaza for collaborating with Israel.”

    The opposition must be getting to them.
    Usually they just torture them, shoot them and blame it on an Israeli bomb.
    That could have been another 11 ‘unarmed civilians murdered by the occupation’.

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  186. kowtow (8,733 comments) says:

    OA

    I suspect it’s in response to Israel geting 3 top terrorists.

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  187. Southern Raider (1,831 comments) says:

    Agree Kowtow. No charges, no defence and no trial

    Yet these numbers will get added to the civilian statistics and McRoberts, Minto and co will make not a single comment

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  188. publicwatchdog (2,797 comments) says:

    Here you go Kiwibloggers – some breaking news!

    Politics doesn’t have to be a dirty, despicable business.

    FIGHT HARD – FIGHT CLEAN!

    Tell the truth.

    Don’t gossip.

    Don’t say anything about someone that you’re not prepared to say to their face.

    Just don’t do dirty politics.

    PUBLIC MEETING. – STOP CORRUPTION – STOP DIRTY POLITICS!

    WHEN: Saturday 30 August 2014
    TIME: 2pm – 5pm
    WHERE:Helensville War Memorial Hall
    49 Commercial Rd
    Helensville

    Although I’m organising this meeting, I’ve invited all the political parties that were represented at the Helensville candidates’ meeting at Kumeu 11 August 2014.

    Each of the representatives of these 8 political parties (they can send who they like) will be given 5 minutes each to outline their policies/ position on fighting corruption, ‘white collar’ crime, ‘corporate welfare’ and dirty politics,

    These representatives of political parties who choose to attend – invitees being National, Labour, Greens, NZ First, Maori Party, Internet/Mana, ACT and Conservative Party can bring along their election material.

    Myself and fellow anti-corruption ‘Whistle-blower – Independent candidate for Epsom – Grace Haden, will be exposing corruption at central and local government level and what needs to be done to fix it.

    It should be a very interesting meeting.

    Penny Bright

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  189. publicwatchdog (2,797 comments) says:

    http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2014/08/20/bank-of-america-to-pay-17-billion-in-justice-department-settlement/

    Bank of America to Pay $17 Billion in Justice Department Settlement

    Bank of America Corp. is expected to pay nearly $17 billion to settle U.S. Department of Justice accusations it packaged shoddy mortgages into securities and sold them to investors in the run-up to the financial crisis, according to a person familiar with the negotiations.

    The agreement, which could come as early as Thursday, would mark the biggest settlement between the U.S. government and a single company. The roughly $17 billion will be a combination of cash and consumer aid – an amount approximately equal to the bank’s profit for the past three years.

    For the Justice Department, the settlement is the latest penalty it has lobbed against a big bank over mortgage securities. For the bank, the settlement is the latest in a long line of litigation and regulatory costs that the bank has been shelling out for crisis-era infractions, which has depressed earnings and aggravated shareholders.

    Chief Executive Brian Moynihan, who has spent the better part of his four and a half years as CEO wading through litigation, has told analysts and investors that this deal is supposed to be the last of the big problems lingering from the financial crisis. The bank has spent more than $60 billion under Mr. Moynihan to resolve legal woes.

    The settlement is also a fresh reminder for the bank of the costs of its 2008 purchase of Countrywide Financial Corp., a deal that rocketed Bank of America into a major player in mortgages but also hamstrung it with exotic loans. Most of the mortgage securities made in the years immediately before the financial crisis, and now credited to Bank of America, came from Countrywide.

    ______________________________________________________________________________________________

    NZ Prime Minister John Key is a shareholder in the Bank of America.

    http://www.parliament.nz/resource/en-nz/00CLOOCMPPFinInterests20141/2e04287ad20ee5da12a308149e59bb16d7f47ce5

    Pg 30

    Rt Hon John Key (National, Helensville)

    2 Other companies and business entities

    Little Nell – property investment, Aspen, Colorado
    Bank of America – banking
    ____________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Penny Bright

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  190. Southern Raider (1,831 comments) says:

    An Israeli child has just been killed from an attack on a kindergarten in Ashdod.

    The rocket was fired from a launch site in a UNRWA school

    Where the fuck are you now Mike McRoberts?

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  191. Nookin (3,455 comments) says:

    So there we have it, ladies and gentlemen. At 11:42 p.m. our esteemed public watchdog is espousing the need to abandon dirty politics and just over one hour later posts a report about the Bank Of America having to pay a substantial amount of damages for shoddy mortgage packages and gleefully reminds readers that the Prime Minister has shares in Bank Of America – part of her continuing mantra that Key is associated with everything wrong about Wall Street, Bank Of America and GFC.
    Hypocrisy much?

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  192. deadrightkev (507 comments) says:

    “Well worth it. Nothing else will get National back to the party it was meant to be. Nothing else will rid NZ of the communist plague.”

    I was once a little sceptical about that but now I am all for it Red. Its revolution implosion or bust now for NZ.

    The low life filth that has been perpetrated behind the scenes in NZ politics proves we are little better than Uganda or Zimbabwe when it is all boiled down. At least the citizenry in those countries know they are being crapped on.

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