General Debate 27 August 2014

August 27th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Souvlaki (45 comments) says:

    Suggest going to ” No Minister” & reading Psycho Milts great article on the arseholes who wrote ” Kill the PM”

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  2. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  3. FeralScrote (217 comments) says:

    Looks like the vacant eyed slack jawed cretin Scott has got the word from his Green masters and has had to backtrack,now his “song” is not to be taken literally.

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  4. Ashley Schaeffer (487 comments) says:

    Is Nigel Latta the most annoying man in New Zealand these days? My wife was watching some crim-hugging program on TV last night while I read. But my train of thought was continuously interrupted by this high-pitched whining from Latta. John Campbell and Russel Norman are amateur whiners compared to this jumped-up self-proclaimed expert on everything.

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  5. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Talking about lying and misleading the public in a Radio NZ interview Brent Robinson has claimed Rodney MP Mark Mitchell paid Cameron Slater and Simon Lusk for help in getting the electorate candidacy in 2011.

    But Mitchell has denied any association or payment.

    This is at odds with a Whale Oil post strongly defending and promoting paying for “professionals” in the wake of ther Rodney selection, and at odds with communications revealed between Slater and Lusk suggesting a significant relationship with Mitchell.

    It may be politically prudent to disassociate from the toxicity of Slater but telling fibs isn’t a good way to do that.

    Conflicting claims over National’s Rodney selection

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  6. Lance (2,654 comments) says:

    @Milk Me
    Run along or you’ll be late for school.
    Who else would post such pathetic infantile crap as you than a pimply faced smart arse school kid?

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  7. IGM (382 comments) says:

    Cunliffe’s use of Mike Hosking to try and push for traction at the expense of Pike River shows how shallow and pathetic this piece of human refuse is. As with the rest of his party of deviants, perverts, leeches, and filth, I hope he remains in opposition for many years. NewstalkZB you are a disgrace even giving this apology for a wimpy man air space.

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  8. ciaron (1,431 comments) says:

    Catching up on yesterday’s GD, Pete George, can you clarify what you actually mean when you say rape culture?

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  9. OneTrack (3,089 comments) says:

    Pete – WhaleOil is toxic to the left alright – he opens their hypocrisy to the sunlight. Long may it continue. No wonder their attack dogs are on to him.

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  10. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    There are only two options, make progress or make excuses. It doesn’t matter if it is one tiny step at a time as long as it is going in general direction.

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  11. mjw (396 comments) says:

    Pete George. He has denied paying Simon Lusk. But has he also denied paying S J Lusk and Associates Ltd? So perhaps he is telling the truth – in a narrow sense.

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  12. oldpark (320 comments) says:

    There he was Gomeral Cunliffe like a carrion crow attempting to feed off the memory of 29 dead miners in Cave Creek.For a few extra votes ,Cunliffe is accusing the people entrusted to go back into the mine and recover the remains of the miners ,of not doing enough.It was the lack of safety that caused the poor miners to die in the mine disaster.Sounds like Cunliffe,sucking on the memory of the families sufferings for the remains to be recovered,is making all sorts of useless promises what his party would do ,if elected.Seems health and safety reasons are why ,the recovery people ,are loath to be compromised by perhaps creating more deaths.Cunliffe if he is so concerned at the lack of recovery ,verses safety,as a sign of commitment and good faith should lead the elected rescuers into the mine ,stuff the safety consequences.He wont,he is not known as the coward of the county for nothing.

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  13. flipper (4,051 comments) says:

    MM ….
    Someone clearly has milked your brain, leaving you with a very empty cranium

    PG….
    Go back to self aggrandisement in your “blog” – fool. It is well known that Mitchell and Slater are old friends.

    Oldpark ….
    Ouch! :-)

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  14. kowtow (8,439 comments) says:

    “Milk Me (32 comments) says:
    August 27th, 2014 at 8:03 am
    So far the today the PM has not lied or misled the public. I suppose he will start talking at some stage so that will change.”

    Pull the udder one.

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  15. wiseowl (891 comments) says:

    Interesting summary from NZIER today.
    I think the suggestion to keep interest rate increases on hold is a good one.
    In fact would love to see Wheeler drop them again .That would drop the dollar and help exporters while allowing the economy to keep tracking on the same lines.

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  16. kowtow (8,439 comments) says:

    Multicultural dividend. What’s there to celebrate?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2734694/It-hard-appalling-nature-abuse-child-victims-suffered-1-400-children-sexually-exploited-just-one-town-16-year-period-report-reveals.html

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  17. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Pete
    Correlation is not causation. I have relationships with a lot of “professionals”. We share are lot of info and advice, but don’t charge each other. It’s called “friendship”.

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  18. Nukuleka (325 comments) says:

    Great to see Labour focusing on the important issues again! Having totally devalued the institution of marriage, Louisa Hall is now hell bent on having a 3rd gender option introduced on passports and driver licences. That will really resonate with mainstream New Zealand. No doubt David Cunliffe will be happy to have an ‘indeterminate gender’ option to relieve him of the burden of ticking ‘male’.

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  19. polemic (460 comments) says:

    Gasp this opening peice on Stuff.

    I’m shocked the MSM are admitting the obvious because smearing isn’t working.

    This election is the tale of two campaigns. One is slick, polished and organised to the last detail. The other is ad hoc, chaotic and oddly low-energy. – Hacked form Stuff

    here http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/10427022/The-slick-and-the-dead-calm

    Amazing -surely I’m imagining what I have just read 8-O

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  20. wiseowl (891 comments) says:

    The leaders debate in Queenstown last night was a well run affair and even Russell went down well.

    Bill English well received and Colin making big inroads.
    NZ First a no show.

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  21. Nukuleka (325 comments) says:

    Andrea Vance on Stuff writes rubbish about the election campaign not being a level playing field between Key and Cunliffe because of the ‘character assassination’ that Cunliffe has had to face both inside and outside his party. Dear Heavens, woman! Have you been asleep for the last 2 weeks and missed all the character assassination going on against John Key!!!

    The thrust of the article, however, paints an interesting picture of how slick Key’s campaign is in contrast with the chaotic nature of Cunliffe’s.

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  22. peterwn (3,271 comments) says:

    Pete George – So what if a political wannabe pays someone for advice and training in becoming a MP. Some job seekers especially for senior positions do similar if they think that they need more than their conventional training and experience has provided (eg a ‘personal life coach’). The line would definitely be crossed if they purchased influence within their target political party – but no one has seriously suggested that Cameron Slater or Simon Lusk has this sort of influence. With a few exceptions, a wannabe National candidate must win nomination for a seat before even being considered for the list, which means having influence at local level.

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  23. tedbear (145 comments) says:

    Now for Breaking News from the Planet Change Nutters:

    http://blogs.marketwatch.com/themargin/2014/08/21/eu-kicks-up-dust-with-a-ban-on-vacuum-cleaners-that-sucks/

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  24. johnwellingtonwells (137 comments) says:

    Will Cunliffe take the lead and go first down the Pike River Mine? Another addition to his ever-growing CV.

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  25. polemic (460 comments) says:

    I am completely gobsmacked the final line of the article I quoted above says……

    But yesterday his (Cunliffe’s) campaign should have been buoyed by Coffey’s star power. Instead, it was inexplicably flat! :roll:

    The Slick and the Dead Calm

    Sounds suspiciously like the ever Illustrious HMNZS Co-Boat is dead in the water and not going anywhere :-(

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  26. flash2846 (284 comments) says:

    Message to ‘Pike River’ families:

    How dare you use the deaths of your brothers, sons and husbands to further your misguided political bias.
    Shame on you all – No longer any sympathy from me.
    What do you think Cunliffe is going to do? Cape and undies flying through the rubble to bring the dead back to life? Lets face it $$$$$ How much?

    Disgraceful!!!

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  27. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    So what if a political wannabe pays someone for advice and training in becoming a MP?

    Yes, so what. It seems prudent – if you choose wisely. So why deny it?

    The MP Mark Mitchell says he’s very surprised by Mr Robinson’s comments. He says he’s never had a discussion with him about the Rodney selection process, or Cameron Slater or Simon Lusk.

    He says he has never paid a cent to either.

    Robinson, Slater and Lusk all seem to say otherwise. It doesn’t make sense.

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  28. Paulus (2,626 comments) says:

    Am I not correct that Andrea Vance in recent years came from the News of the World paper.
    And she is concerned at the levels of “character assassination” in New Zealand ?
    Coming from that paper it is amazing that her thoughts go that way – NOW were the experts, until caught out, hacking and stealing everything they could – it was their trademark.

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  29. wiseowl (891 comments) says:

    Gee Nuku,I thought Vance would be talking up the chances of Dunne.

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  30. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

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  31. oldpark (320 comments) says:

    The gutter brigades attack on the daughter of our man for all seasons and reasons John Key and the suggestion of her being raped.when THE “Greenie” friend of the same persuasion of another” greenie” called Logie,made an alleged claim of rape by a member of the diplomatic corp,there was wall to wall coverage in all the media.Leading the charge was the Australian owned Dom Post,green/labour party/dirty harre dotcom party.Not a word from all those mentioned protectors of womens virtue.Seems that type of protection for the daughter of our Prime Minister dosn’t even get lip service,even worse, the sanctimonious DOM -POST has not even mentioned it.What an indictment of a CAPITAL CITY NEWSPAPER.

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  32. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    ciaron – it’s a term that I think is unhelpful for reasonable discussion on the wider issues. It has different meanings to different people and can lead to emotive rather than substantive debate which doesn’t help anything.

    It’s also something that’s been trashed over many times here. If you want bring it up yet again and say what you think about it then fire ahead, but don’t expect to have an informed or productivel debate.

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  33. EAD (1,070 comments) says:

    The 10 quotes of George Orwell that predicted life in America in 2014:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-25/10-george-orwell-quotes-predicted-life-2014-america

    As all of the underpinnings of civil society become un-picked one-by-one by our frankfurt school marxists who have completed their “long march through the institutions”, I watch as Western Civilization becomes more and more like 1984 every day of the year. What has happened to America and Britain is on the way here unless we have the courage, resolve and knowledge to stop it. If we don’t, Quote number 10 will be our future.

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  34. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    On Pike River-

    I don’t think the families were playing political cards. They had a silent protest at the time of the PM’s visit. As a result, the PM went to them personally and discussed the situation with them one on one. If they had ranted & raved with placards that would not have been the case. They aren’t playing politics, they want the recovery of the bodies of their loved ones, and want pressure put on Solid Energy to get it done.

    Key’s response was fair and measured- “It’s not about the money” – the funds have already been allocated for the recovery, its down to the directors of the company to now organise it, with the key issue being safety. I don’t think any of the families of the lost would want someone else’s son to be killed recovering the body of theirs. The process has been very transparent and Key has fronted on it well.

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  35. m@tt (629 comments) says:

    @Pete
    “He says he has never paid a cent to either.”
    “Robinson, Slater and Lusk all seem to say otherwise. It doesn’t make sense.”

    Because ‘He’ can pay nothing while another person or entity pays the cost. It’s so simple, and it’s laughable that people are still sucked in by this stuff.

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  36. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    m@tt – and Slater and Lusk discuss ways of hiding payments.

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  37. flipper (4,051 comments) says:

    Left wing Labour retards have always been leaders of the “do as we say, NOT as we do….” brigade.

    To borrow C Slater’s turn of phrase… shamelessly hacked from WOHB:

    “Just spied that Labour tweeted this

    https://twitter.com/nzlabour/status/504153998820007937

    At first …”

    Delightful!

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  38. Ed Snack (1,872 comments) says:

    In a bit of a change of subject, I see that in the US the IRS has apparently admitted two things: first that the “missing” emails from Lois Lerner’s laptop are not really missing after all, they’re just “to onerous to recover”; and second, Lerner had a Blackberry that had (or should have had) copies of all these emails (actually 2 Blackberries, but only one matters !) and a number of months after the Congressional inquiry was started and requests for her emails were made, that Blackberry was deliberately disposed of with no attempt made to retrieve any emails.

    Funny how this failed to make the news on anything but Fox. Apparent hard evidence of outright criminal behaviour in violation of a number of Federal statutes plus evidence of deliberate falsehoods under oath in testimony to Congress. And the chances that under this administration that anything at all will happen to those perpetrating this ? Close enough to zero as to make no difference; you see, there’s one set of rules for you sheeple, and a different one for us rulers…

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  39. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    Nukuleka at 8:27 am – This is, sadly, nothing new. I occasionally have to fill out security clearance forms, and three years ago one of the forms for a particular ministry had three options – male, female, and indeterminate.

    Some people mock the concept of “gradual creep”, but it happens and once a particular door is open it cannot be closed, and the original intentions will inevitably creep and widen in their impact. Talking generally, the original idea may be laudable in the sight of many, but I wonder how many think through the implications of what the flow-on result will be for society in five, ten, twenty years? One very simple example – once the idea of male, female and indeterminate gender options are well and truly entrenched in our society, the idea of shared toilets will be explored (in fact this discussion has arisen on Kiwiblog several times in the past already). At a primary school, which toilet should an “indeterminate” person use? Should a little boy who has decided he is really a little girl be allowed to use the girls’ toilet? And vice versa?

    There are many people who will say that this idea of having a 3rd gender option introduced on passports and driver licences does no harm, it is only of importance or significance to a small minority of people and the rest of us should just mind our own business. Which may be correct FOR THIS ISOLATED INSTANCE – but it won’t finish there. It never does. And it is in everybody’s interest to explore where the journey that this starts will lead to – and are we as a society going to be perfectly happy with the possible outcomes twenty years down the track?

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  40. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ flash2846 (213 comments) says:
    August 27th, 2014 at 8:40 am

    Just a goddamn minute.

    These are people who are grieving for their loved ones. Loved ones lost in terrible circumstances. Loved ones whose remains they want returned. They are simply trying to find someone with enough power to enable that to happen.

    Their political biases have been formed by that issue and their experiences since the tragedy. They are not trying to promote or denigrate any particular party, but simply want to find relief in their torment/grief and therefore side with whoever offers the most hope. I think your comment regarding them is extremely unfortunate.

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  41. peterwn (3,271 comments) says:

    Pete George – care to discuss a potential case of where Cam and Simon has ‘bought off’ a local National Party executive and/or selection delegates upon receipt of payment from a wannabe candidate? And do not cite a Labour person, they just talk out of their backsides about this sort of thing.

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  42. Ross12 (1,425 comments) says:

    Oldpark@8.45am

    Like you I have sat quietly waiting to hear or read of the Logie’s and co to come out and say something about that song and like you I’m still waiting !!! They are all hypocrites and it shows a large part of their comments on the diplomat case was just politicing and an excuse to attack JK. Sadly it reflects very badly on the issue which deserved highlighting and support. ( Where are the Rape Crisis people or are they just political outfit in disguise as well)
    All they had to say is they thought the lyrics of the song were disgraceful.

    On another matter –I heard Mike Williams on with Hoskings and Hooten this morning being surprised that the NZ Herald had an editorial supporting Labour –what a jerk !!

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  43. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Discuss away if you like peterwn, I don’t know anything about what you’re talking about.

    Brent Robinson claims Slater and Lusk were paid to run a smear campaign against opponents. Slater’s blogging and his communications with Lusk would appear to fit with this claim.

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  44. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    I heard about 3 mins of ZB this morning. Hosking had Mike Williams on. He stated National will are now on about 43-44%. Hosking said nothing.

    I know ive been away but really? or is MW just full of shit as usual?

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  45. IGM (382 comments) says:

    Judith: Your left-leaning comments are becoming exceedingly boring . . . you must have stuff all to do if you can post this type of crap daily. I stand behind my claim: You typify a Labour/Green loser, maybe even a failure.

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  46. Dennis Horne (2,403 comments) says:

    graham. There are people who are not clearly male or female. This fact is not altered by forms having boxes labelled: Male, female, decline to answer, other or whatever.

    We must accept reality but we need not indulge in wishful thinking. For example, some men are sexually attracted to men; there is not reason to persecute them per se, but we do not need to pretend their relationship is a marriage.

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  47. flipper (4,051 comments) says:

    PG…..

    Do you know anything about the NP candidate selection process????

    You are clearly totally ignorant.
    And you clearly accept hagerisms as holy writ.

    Extraordinary !

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  48. ciaron (1,431 comments) says:

    @ Pete,

    I have no real interest in the matter because I don’t think a “Rape Culture” actually exists. But, as you say, the meanings vary from person to person. For instance, I personally take the term culture as used in this context (along with the “binge drinking” culture) to be intended as a stick to make all men feel ashamed of being men, and in the drinking context, to make people feel guilty about enjoying alcohol. But what I don’t know is how you define the term, and that could make all the difference as to whether I agree with you or not.

    As to progressing the discussion, if we modified the term to “rape sub-culture” (drawing a parallel to “gang sub-culture” for instance) we could have a fruitful discussion.

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  49. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ IGM (75 comments) says:
    August 27th, 2014 at 9:13 am

    I am really amazed at the fact you manage to log in here each day, given that you don’t have enough intelligence to avoid reading my posts, which clearly make you distraught. Do you stand over a hot element constantly placing your finger on it, to feel the pain over and over again?

    I think I have suggested before, but I’ll do it again, because clearly you are a very slow learner – if you don’t like my posts, if they cause you such emotional torment, please feel free not to indulge yourself by reading them. :-)

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  50. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “Message to ‘Pike River’ families:

    How dare you use the deaths of your brothers, sons and husbands to further your misguided political bias.
    Shame on you all – No longer any sympathy from me.
    What do you think Cunliffe is going to do? Cape and undies flying through the rubble to bring the dead back to life? Lets face it $$$$$ How much?

    Disgraceful!!”

    YEP!

    They are a pain in the ass. Even if whats left of the bodies is recovered, is it really gonna make a difference moving them 20km’s to some cemetery? they will still be dead.

    The balls on these people to happily risk the lives of others to get what they want. Selfish.

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  51. Dennis Horne (2,403 comments) says:

    Judith. I enjoy reading your comments, Judith, it makes me feel ever so intelligent. :) :) :)

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  52. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    ciaron – the problem is that when you say “sub-culture” that gives people an easy way to deny any responsibility. I often see men being highly offended at their perception of what rape culture means which is fair enough, no decent person wants to feel blamed for the despicable behaviour of a minority of men.

    But it’s common to see men who say they abhor sexual assault behave in ways that diminishes the responsibility of the offender and lays at least some of the blame on victims.

    If you are a man who feels offended by the term “rape culture” how do you think women who have been victims of sexual assault feel when men say the shouldn’t have been wearing particular clothes, shouldn’t have been drinking, shouldn’t have been at a particular place?

    How do you think women feel when it seems that the natural stance of (some) men in cases where there is doubt or unknown facts to appear favour the side of the alleged offender and criticise the alleged victim, even to the extent of blaming them.

    You can call that what you like but it’s common and it remains a major problem in dealing with sexual crime.

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  53. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ ciaron (1,369 comments) says:
    August 27th, 2014 at 9:18 am

    You do have a point. The term culture is generally a ‘belief’ (behaviour, etc) held by a particular group. If that group is defined as all New Zealanders, then clearly that ‘cultural belief’ that rape is okay in some instances, does not apply. Nor can it be said to apply to all males, because clearly not all think that way.

    Perhaps as you say, it is a ‘sub-culture’ of males? But then on the flip side, there are actually females that believe some women ‘ask’ for what they get. Therefore, defining it to a particular sex, isn’t exact either.

    I would suggest that the ‘culture’ to which it applies to is a distinct set of people who form a particular social group, perhaps one dominated by heavy social drinking/substance abuse etc, and is formed and propagated to make such behaviour more ‘acceptable’ to those who wish to belong to that ‘group’? There are of course some that carry those beliefs that aren’t part of that defined group as well, which complicates it somewhat.

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  54. Scott (1,792 comments) says:

    “That reminds me that I must find time after the election to work on a members’ bill to remove tax free legal status from churches in New Zealand. They should have no special status beyond that of any other NGO.”

    The above is what DPF said on the”Churches campaigning” post yesterday.Now I am calling him out on it. None of this “after the election we will work on a member’s bill”.

    Put it to the electorate now DPF. Let’s put it to the electorate now that if national is elected they will remove the charitable status of churches and make them pay tax. You want democracy, take it to the electorate.

    See how that goes with national supporters that also attend church, of which there are hundreds of thousands. You want to make an issue of this, take it to the electorate now. The country is sick of private member’s bills making major changes to the laws of this land with no mandate to do so.

    In fact go and see John key this week and say I am sick of churches, I hate them having a prophetic voice in the life of the nation and as punishment I want us to tax them. See how that goes down with Mister Key?

    In fact let’s make it an election issue – National if elected will take away all charitable and tax-free status from churches! You just see how that goes down with the electorate.

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  55. Dennis Horne (2,403 comments) says:

    What are we going to do about New Zealand’s murder culture? We’re soft and apologetic. Hang murderers?

    What are we going to do about New Zealand’s theft and stealing culture? We’re soft and apologetic. Cut their hands off?

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  56. IGM (382 comments) says:

    Time someone organised a referendum on executing the extradition order of the fat German criminal. He is causing overseas investors to think twice about NZ and destabilising our youth with his Hitler-type rhetoric. We don’t need this, don’t want it, and don’t deserve it. Get on your bike (large one) fatty, you are not wanted.

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  57. fernglas (157 comments) says:

    I’m with Dime on the Pike River thing. I’ve worked in mines and other high risk industries and to me it was always a given that I would never have expected anyone to risk their live skins to save my dead one. Same applied to the people I worked with. The mine itself is a fitting memorial and burial place, and while I understand their pain at their loss, it won’t be helped if a single hair on another person’s head is damaged.

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  58. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ dime (9,625 comments) says:
    August 27th, 2014 at 9:24 am

    I agree with some of what you say, but grief is a strange thing.

    I saw one of the young woman holding a sign that said something like ‘please bring my father home – I need closure’.

    A while back I wrote a paper about the word ‘closure’ in grief counselling. I mean WTF does ‘closure’ mean? We simply accept the word without asking for any explanation of it. When you get ‘closure’ do you simply stop missing that person that had died? Do you forget all about them, and so are suddenly happy? Of course not – closure is catch word, ‘sold’ by the countless counsellors that make money from encouraging the grieving to seek ‘closure’, and provide the false belief that one day the pain of loss will simply disappear.

    No doubt these grieving people are being told by professionals that they need their loved ones back to reach ‘closure’. Instead it is my theory that what they need is assistance in getting on with life by constructing positive memories of their loved ones, by being encouraged to understand that they are gone, but their memories can live on forever if they take the time to allow that. They do not need that physical presence if they can build those memories – however, as long as they are being lead to believe they do – they will find it difficult to find a way to live positively with their grief.

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  59. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    ‘Culture’ can’t really be applied to a whole country. We’re all influenced by a number of cultures to a greater or lesser degree.

    And multiple cultural aspects can apply with something like sexual assault – sexual culture, drinking culture (often a factor), ethnic culture, paternal culture etc etc.

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  60. Dennis Horne (2,403 comments) says:

    Tell me, Pete George, why does a 14 year old girl go to a party wearing revealing clothes and lipstick? Is it to be sexually attractive? YES/NO?

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  61. Nookin (3,341 comments) says:

    To be fair on them, dime, it was a silent protest simply as a reminder. While I did not follow the news item carefully, it did not seem to me that they were agitating or putting the pressure on.

    The news media reported a “confrontation”. It seemed nothing like a confrontation as far as I could see. Tony Kokshoorn was interviewed this morning. I find him impressive. He is objective but he has no sycophant to either side. He acknowledges that the government has already put up the money and that it is not a government decision to go in. He also pointed out that the initial foray does not involve entering the mine area but involves the initial tunnel where he said there is no gas.
    My impression is that the news media milked this for all it was worth and the entire publicity was based on continuing a division that should not exist.

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  62. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    Dennis Horne at 9:36 am – don’t forget our child-abuse culture, drink-driving culture, alcohol abuse culture, drug-abuse culture, gang culture, xenophobia culture, vandalism culture, car-theft culture …

    We’re going to be pretty busy dealing with all this culture!

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  63. oldpark (320 comments) says:

    @Dime 9.11am

    Yes I thought Hoskins went to sleep on” Mike Williams the 2008 digger of dirt a special trip to melbourne on John Key .Williams is still in denial on Nationals positive, position on the polls.Thought Hoskins was a bit more street wise to let Williams run rings around him.Wake up Mike,or that paragon of virtue, on all things left of left Rachel Smalley will get your both jobs.SEVEN SHARP,AND 6.00AM _8.30AM SLOT.

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  64. Dennis Horne (2,403 comments) says:

    Judith, that uptick was from me. Do you still love me? Or are you a masochist, need the pain of rejection?

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  65. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Dennis I’ve never been a 14 year old girl, never worn lipstick so I can’t say. You should ask people who might know. I suspect not many do it hoping to be sexually assaulted.

    How do you define “revealing clothes”?

    Thanks for illustrating a point.

    Can you tell me why a 20 year old man goes to a party, get’s pissed and hits up on a drunk 14 year old girl? (I can’t answer that from experience either).

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  66. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Dennis Horne (2,156 comments) says:
    August 27th, 2014 at 9:41 am

    It is to be ‘included’, to be regarded by other females as being fashionable etc. If you study the history of fashion, you will see that females base their choices (mostly, not all do) around what is deemed to be in style at any particular time.

    At the moment, revealing clothes are the ‘fashion’ – for some reason (probably profit) clothing designers have decided that mimicking adult fashion for younger women is good. One can even by a ‘bra’ for a 3 year old.

    When I was a teenager, wearing plunging neck lines wasn’t in fashion, but hot pants and boots were. My father damned near had a heart attack every time I left the house – but I wasn’t trying to impress the boys – I was trying to impress my girl friends – showing them how ‘fashionable’ I was !

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  67. Dennis Horne (2,403 comments) says:

    graham (2,264 comments) says: August 27th, 2014 at 9:46 am
    Dennis Horne at 9:36 am – don’t forget our child-abuse culture, drink-driving culture, alcohol abuse culture, drug-abuse culture, gang culture, xenophobia culture, vandalism culture, car-theft culture …

    We’re going to be pretty busy dealing with all this culture!

    Indeed so, graham. Better start talking about it now. :) :) :)

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  68. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    Pete George at 9:40 am –

    ‘Culture’ can’t really be applied to a whole country. We’re all influenced by a number of cultures to a greater or lesser degree.

    I don’t remember who wrote it, but I do remember you posting a link to an article that essentially said ‘If you’re a man, you’re guilty of supporting a rape culture.”

    Never mind whether you can or can’t apply the term ‘culture’ to a whole country, there are some who wish to apply it to every single male in the entire world.

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  69. mandk (992 comments) says:

    kowtow @08.22

    This is what stood out to me from the BBC report on the same story:
    “The report found: “Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought as racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so.””

    Sadly, this is not the first such story to come from the UK recently. It really needs to be acknowledged that many Muslim men have utter contempt for non-Muslim females (and probably Muslim females too). Consequently, they have absolutely no qualms about gang-raping children. People in authority who do not recognise this and do not dare to speak up are complicit in the crimes.

    The question is: Could this happen in NZ? Is it happening already?

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  70. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Dennis Horne (2,157 comments) says:
    August 27th, 2014 at 9:47 am

    Of course I love you Dennis. I love everyone, even those that disagree with me at times. The only people I don’t love are those that have let me down personally, or hurt someone special to me – then they are on my ‘rot in hell’ list! :-)

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  71. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ graham (2,265 comments) says:
    August 27th, 2014 at 9:46 am

    That’s the thing about culture graham, its everywhere, even in your fridge in the cheese department!

    But yeah, society is made up of many cultures, as well as ethnicities, races, religions etc.
    The more diverse our society gets, the more cultures form. Also phenomena like globalisation brings more cultures, same with technology (I-Pad freaks have been identified has having a particular set of ‘cultural beliefs) and so on.

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  72. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    graham – I don’t agree with everything in every article I might link to, And I often learn from things I read and discuss and adjust my views and approach over time.

    You could say that everyone is responsible for a ‘rape culture”, or all men, or all gender insensitive men, only convicted rapists. But quibbling over things like that doesn’t seem to help anyone, and diverts from the real issues.

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  73. Dennis Horne (2,403 comments) says:

    Judith. Showing your tits except maybe for the nipples, wearing skimpy clothes that almost reveal your pussy and do reveal your butt-crack when you bend over, and wearing red lipstick to exaggerate your lips is sexual, whether its widespread behaviour and whether you realise it or not, in the context of a party, especially when alcohol is used to enhance the socialising.

    I apologise in advance to Poor Pete for being part of the rape culture of NZ, in the confines of his cranium and folds of his cerebrum.

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  74. freemark (580 comments) says:

    Is there really going to be anything left to recover from inside the Mine? Ash, dust, mud?
    I don’t really see what “closure” that would bring.
    The families know the men are dead, there doesn’t seem to be any question of what killed them.
    Maybe it’s a mining thing, but it also appears to have been somewhat cynically used as just another attack on JK & The Govt – not by the families yesterday which is good to see, but definitely by the Scumbag Political Left – who it seems would rather the Coasters don’t have jobs at all, let alone ones where they make the decisions on risk & are rewarded for the dangerous nature of the Industry.

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  75. ciaron (1,431 comments) says:

    Pete, you still haven’t answered the question.

    please explain, in as much detail as you can, what you mean by “rape culture” and who it applies to, because, the tone of your posts that I have read imply to me that you mean EVERY man is part of this rape “rape culture”.

    Now; I can accept that I am reading my own meaning into your phrases (something we all should be wary of) which could be wrong, but in the absence of an explanation from you, what else am I to think?

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  76. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Dennis Horne (2,159 comments) says:
    August 27th, 2014 at 9:58 am

    I understand what you are saying and perhaps this is where ‘culture’ comes in. Maybe within the subset of some ‘young women’ a belief has formed that one must be ‘sexy’ and provocative. It is not difficult to see how they form that belief – they only have to watch role models such as Mily Cryus to form the opinion that it is what is expected of them if they want to be accepted by their friends. (Deemed successful by other teenagers)

    The problem develops when males respond to the way they are dressed, because even though in their minds they desire to look sexy, and even dance/move that way – when they are presented with the reality, that is having sex, they may not be emotionally prepared for it, and therefore take their legal right to say no.

    Of course, the difficulty occurs when you add substance abuse – and the cues given and read, that actually don’t portray the mindset of the individual (young woman).

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  77. Grendel (1,002 comments) says:

    The problem with ‘culture’ is that it assigns behaviours and motivations to me becuase of a group i belong to, rather than by my actual actions and views. Its funny (in a sad way), that we mostly stopped ascribing group characteristics to other groups (all jews are shifty etc) and in fact to make a claim that “all women” will get you descended upon by the same people who try to tell me i am part of rape culture becuase i am male.

    The thing that people seem to get stuck on is blame vs risk responsibility.

    we understand blame and fault. If someone is raped it is always the fault of the rapist, regardless of what they are wearing etc.

    But if i leave my home and leave the door open and my tv in plain view and get burgled, its the fault of the burglar and they are responsible, but i did nothing to decrease my risk. whats the right word? am i culpable? partially responsible? i dont know a good word for it, but i did nothing to reduce my risk.

    So i wander home drunk at 3am through a dark part of town with a flashy watch on and a bulging wallet, its not my fault i got assaulted and robbed (of course the only time i have been attacked was 6pm on lambton quay, but thats murphy for you), but did i increase my risk too much? many people will say, well you should not have been walking home drunk like that, and they are right (though not much help after the fact).

    But you point that out to a rape victim (assume they also walked home drunk at 3am through a dark part of town) and other than the fact that its not at all helpful after the fact, you get accused of blaming her or claiming she is at fault. its not her fault, but she did not decrease her risk.

    should i be able to leave my door open and not get robbed, or walk through town with heaps of cash and not get assaulted? of course, but thats not the world we live in.

    So now we have people making sensible suggestions to decrease your risk of being assaulted (carry sharp keys, stick to the light etc) and they get attacked for ‘blaming’ the possible victim and contributing to ‘rape culture’.

    if i suggest you put in a burglar alarm, i am not contributing to ‘burglary culture’ i am suggesting ways to reduce your risk.

    the political adherents to rape culture have decided that risk reduction strategies equals a change in fault, which is nonsense and they should be called out on it. but they are not, becuase they can yell louder and longer and have compliant media and politicians who beleive the same nonsense.

    i would rather a strategy of focusing to both risk reduction and also appropriate condemnation of the actual perpetrators, not just a willful blindness to risk reduction and accusation by group.

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  78. emmess (1,428 comments) says:

    The left criticize National’s for even having conversations with bloggers.
    But this morning I heard a clip on the radio, Cameron Pitches of Transport Blog was bragging that Labour and the Greens had picked up a policy that his blog was promoting.

    Hypocrisy much?

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  79. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    ciaron – I think you may be confusing the tone of my posts with what others try claim the tone of my posts mean. I’ve avoided using the term when I found it caused too much angst amongst men who had trouble trying to understand the issues, but that hasn’t stopped people here from continuing to falsely attribute things about it to me.

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  80. ciaron (1,431 comments) says:

    Again, that’s no answer.

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  81. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ freemark (507 comments) says:
    August 27th, 2014 at 10:02 am

    There is often a problem with accepting death when the body is not viewed or at least the dead are not physically represented in some way (in a coffin/urn or whatever).

    These people saw their loved ones off to work one day, like any other day, and they simply didn’t return. In their minds they know they were in that mine, but they have never actually had absolute ‘proof’ that they died, and more painfully, how they died. Was it instant, was it a long painful death and so on.

    When a person is grieving those kinds of thoughts tend to dominate. These people were given hope, at the beginning that they would get the remains returned. The people that made such a promise should be who the anger is centered at, because history has shown that often with mining disasters, that is simply not possible.

    Sadly these people have now developed the mindset and due to the prolonged period of time, it is going to be very difficult to change that. I really feel for them, they were and are vulnerable – and an open slate for anyone wishing to advance their own agenda to just come along and manipulate.

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  82. Ross12 (1,425 comments) says:

    Norman “”The Green Party is the only major party going into the election with a concrete policy to cut income taxes, but our tax cuts are fiscally neutral because they will be balanced by raising revenue.” === double dutch !!!

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  83. Dennis Horne (2,403 comments) says:

    Judith. Well, we certainly supervised our daughter; we didn’t want her having sexual intercourse until she was old enough to understand what she was doing within a committed relationship.

    Of course, had we had Pete George “on the job” back then, changing the nature of man and men, we could have relaxed. Men will no longer “just want one thing” and girls can be as provocative, carefree and careless as they please.

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  84. polemic (460 comments) says:

    OK Judith.

    Please could you state here how you feel about the disgusting insinuations that have been made about the PM’s daughter?

    Do you condone this behavior or not?

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  85. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    ciaron, I think you may be waiting for a while. Pete George has previously said:

    I don’t have a definition of “rape culture”.

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  86. polemic (460 comments) says:

    Judith your pontificating about people who share your ideals seems understandable but when they do something that is unlawful or worse against women you don’t call them out.

    A very double standard – Yes

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  87. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Grendel (970 comments) says:
    August 27th, 2014 at 10:08 am

    You make some interesting points. I attended a lecture once on how society has evolved with technology etc in such a way that humans are no longer vigilant. Centuries ago we were of course by need, hyper vigilant creatures, which is what enabled us to evolve as we have, but now we are so ‘lazy’ (for want of a better word) that we have laws to protect us, where in the past our own behaviour would have.

    Should a person be able to wander through a park at 4 am in the morning and be safe (especially when we have no wild animals that can harm us) – yes, of course they should be, but are they? Probably not. We just expect to be safe – people step out on pedestrian crossing without looking because the law says they will not get mowed down by that huge bus. People ‘expect’ to be able to wander around in skimpy clothes that turn others on – because the law says they should do.

    A bit more vigilance and less reliance on the law to protect us, is probably what we need. If we didn’t have the laws, we might actually take better care of ourselves (no I’m not promoting getting rid of the law!)

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  88. Grendel (1,002 comments) says:

    Well then Pete George should stop using the fucking term.

    if he has no definition for it, its a pointless emotive term devoid of any use.

    its the same when all the lefties and media types throw “vile” in front of the description of the current thing they dont like. pointless hyperbole.

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  89. ciaron (1,431 comments) says:

    @ graham, I bet he doesn’t. Makes his claim a lot easier.

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  90. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ polemic (415 comments) says:
    August 27th, 2014 at 10:24 am

    I worked in the courts making sentencing recommendations for convicted offenders – so yes I do ‘call them out’ – very much so.

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  91. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Grendel – I don’t usually use the term, as I keep saying it’s to difficult and complex for some here to handle. Others keep bringing it up here.

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  92. polemic (460 comments) says:

    OK Judith.

    Please could you state here how you feel about the disgusting insinuations that have been made about the PM’s daughter?

    Do you condone this behavior or not?

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  93. twofish (94 comments) says:

    Labour buy back assets to purchase Winston

    It is understood the money is for buying assets, designed to form a clear point of difference from National and targeting Peters’ sense of legacy.

    How about a rational reasoned argument that taxpayer money should be expended on repurchasing assets?
    Labour and other opposition parties have already failed in doing that while National sold those partial assets that, before last Election, they said they would.
    [Labour at the time, were of course busy changing leader, and changing leader and changing leader – about all they have done in Opposition]

    But now they propose buying back assets – only to be a point to distinguish them from National
    and to appeal to Winston as a possible coalition partner.
    Logically then the costs of this policy [if it came to pass] should be isolated and added to Labour’s electioneering expenses.

    … and a sense of legacy for Peters? – sure, am I going to think of Winston with gratitude each time I turn the
    bloody light on? Noooooo, don’t think so :-)

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  94. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    Well, actually you DID bring up the term yesterday, by posting an article which used it, Pete. As you “don’t agree with everything in every article I might link to” it might be helpful if you explain which articles you DO agree with in future, rather than just posting them without further comment, so we know which side of the argument you’re taking – if any.

    Just a thought.

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  95. Milburn35 (41 comments) says:

    How dare John Key canvass for votes on the West Coast. Cunliffe seems to think that this is Labour territory by right and that he is now having to go there to promise all sorts of things to the Pike River families. O’Conner has yet to jump on the band wagon or even drop down a shaft in support. This so called leader of the opposition had promised that he would force the previous Pike River mine owners to pay the full compensation ordered by a judge or his government would. Bet he has forgotten this or is it one of the many dropped policies.

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  96. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    graham, ciaron, as you seem to have an interest in the topic, why don’t you discuss the implications of this in relation to rape and sexual assault:

    Tell me, Pete George, why does a 14 year old girl go to a party wearing revealing clothes and lipstick? Is it to be sexually attractive? YES/NO?

    And this:

    Showing your tits except maybe for the nipples, wearing skimpy clothes that almost reveal your pussy and do reveal your butt-crack when you bend over, and wearing red lipstick to exaggerate your lips is sexual, whether its widespread behaviour and whether you realise it or not, in the context of a party, especially when alcohol is used to enhance the socialising.

    Why the focus on just the female side of the issue when it is mostly males who commit sexual crimes?

    Perhaps Dennis would prefer all females to stay at home most of the time and if they go out they should wear something like this. Is this the sort of culture we need to keep men in check?

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  97. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    If you want to wrestle with definitions try defining what females should wear and what they should be allowed to do and not allowed to do to reduce sexual crime in New Zealand.

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  98. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    I am not sure what Pete’s definition is, but here is one that I believe is commonly regarded as being ‘rape culture’.

    It is the shared belief among a group of people of either sex, but predominately male, in which it is believed that forced penetration is acceptable in some circumstances. Those circumstances being where the victim has given the impression either through verbal or behavioural cues that they were wanting to engage in sexual intercourse with a particular person or persons. The cultural expectation is extended to other members of society to validate the groups particular behaviours, including promoting acceptance of forced penetration in certain circumstances, thereby normalising the behaviour to others in society.

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  99. Grendel (1,002 comments) says:

    Dont deflect PG, Dennis has his own issues and thats a whole different discussion, but you keep fixating on blaming all males for the actions of a few ferals and its bullshit.

    If its too difficult and complex for others to handle, clearly you dont find it difficult and complex so understand what the definition is for you.

    so get off the fence and tell us.

    there is no point trying to discuss this if we dont know the parameters of discussion. you decided to be the poster boy for this, so suck it up, tell us what it means in your world so some actual discussion can be had.

    then we can move on to diagnosing whats wrong with dennis.

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  100. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    graham – not I didn’t bring it up. Someone chose to extract two words out of a sizable article and make an issue of it. I don’t think I should have edited the quote just to avoid yet another diversion from the actual issue.

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  101. Dennis Horne (2,403 comments) says:

    Pete George (23,239 comments) says: August 26th, 2014 at 8:31 am.

    Blogwatch: An open letter to David Farrar

    … let’s talk about Tania Billingsley:

    … I want you to know I will stand with you and stand up to those who will attack you for raising your voice against the brutalities of our world – our New Zealand rape culture.

    Yours hopefully and sincerely, Chloe King.

    http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/08/26/blogwatch-an-open-letter-to-david-farrar-please-be-that-guy/

    Pete George, you are a pitiful poseur posting this epistle.

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  102. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ polemic (416 comments) says:
    August 27th, 2014 at 10:34 am

    Ah, now this is a tricky one because I only heard the song for the first time on the news last night, and that was only part of it.

    I discussed it with my male 19 year old at the time.
    Firstly, without doubt what was said regarding the PM’s daughter was unacceptable – even to him, although he did say that it was pretty obviously just a wind up and no one would take it seriously. However, as I pointed out to him, that belief of his is based on the presumption that all young males in society are balanced thinkers, and we know that isn’t so.

    Secondly, he stated that the expression ‘kill the PM’ was not actually portraying the belief that someone should end the PM’s life, but rather that ‘kill’ is a termed now used to ‘quit’ ‘end’ ‘silence’ something. So what he believed that expression to be is that someone should simply stop the PM – ie shut him up.

    Hope that helps!

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  103. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    @Grendel

    Dont deflect PG, Dennis has his own issues and thats a whole different discussion, but you keep fixating on blaming all males for the actions of a few ferals and its bullshit.

    That’s nonsense – it’s not me who keeps fixating on it, others keep blaming me for their own fixations, including you now.

    I don’t blame all males for the actions of a few. I’m repeatedly accused of it by you and others but it’s false. That you keep repeating it despite what I say makes it look more malicious than ignorant.

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  104. chuk (40 comments) says:

    Is anyone else getting fed up with Judith Collins? Now she is saying that her comments about being “cleared” by the Privacy Commissioner were based on media reports rather than the actual decision not to pursue the complaint laid by the Greens. She’s a lawyer and a senior politician so she should know better but she keeps giving oxygen to the opposition and every time she says anything now I expect she gives a little push to some of the swing voters.

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  105. ciaron (1,431 comments) says:

    Why the focus on just the female side of the issue when it is mostly males who commit sexual crimes?

    Because, it is generally accepted that men who commit rape should be punished to the fullest extent of the law, and we know that even if that meant castration and the word rapist tattooed on the convicted offenders head, there would still be a sub-set of men who would attempt rape for a variety of reasons.

    I am sure Pete, that you are familiar with workplace health and safety risk strategy: Eliminate, Isolate, Minimise, Monitor?

    We cannot eliminate, not sure if you can isolate, so now we have come to minimise. What precautions can females take to avoid the risk of a sexual crime being committed against them? Far from blame shifting, it’s just common sense.

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  106. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    Projects put on hold in bid to soften black budget

    Core services are not immune, with $10.1 million less being spent on the city’s dilapidated stormwater system and Auckland Transport targeting bus lanes and rail projects in Parnell and Pukekohe.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11314164

    Bus and rail are now council core services?
    According to the Herald they are……

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  107. Dennis Horne (2,403 comments) says:

    Keep trying, Pete, you’ll soon get to the bottom. ;)

    I’m off to do some work now but if Grendel finds a cure for me I’d be obliged! :) :) :)

    Perhaps just a quick question to my diagnostician: Are you homosexual? (Down ticks – not me!)

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  108. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    Pete, have you actually READ the complete article that you posted an extract from? “Rape culture” is the main thrust of the article, which compares the hacking of DPF’s emails to the Tania Billingsley affair and how the author thinks DPF should challenge Cam Slater on his reactions to it. The ENTIRE ARTICLE is about “rape culture”!

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  109. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    —ATTENTION! – This is an announcement from the Ministry of Truth—

    Making a joke about an Islamic headscarf or wearing an Indian headdress is now deemed to be racist.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11314901
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11314942

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  110. minus (192 comments) says:

    • This blog’s host, David Farrar, has stated Hager’s DIRTY POLITICS is untrue in its claims that DPF organised a “Princess Party” and invited young woman for “date rape”
    • Rodney Hide denies Hager’s DIRTY POLITICS references to him standing down in the face of supposed blackmail
    • an OIA reply shows a particular prisoner was not moved at request of Slater through Minister Collins, and so Hager’s DIRTY POLITICS defames Slater, Collins and others.
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/08/exclusive-another-hager-fisher-lie-exposed/#more-152315

    Why would Dotcom reveal his so-called bombshell information against Prime Minister Key just 5 days before the Election?
    Because, as with the examples above from Hager’s DIRTY POLITICS, the “truth” can take a little while to unravel.

    Even if such personal private email shit as “what dirt can you find on Len the Rooter” may remain.

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  111. IGM (382 comments) says:

    If Labour has run out of campaign funds, maybe either Parker or Chris Laidlaw should come to their aid. After all, they are adept ridding other people of their monies.

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  112. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    @ciaron

    We cannot eliminate, not sure if you can isolate, so now we have come to minimise. What precautions can females take to avoid the risk of a sexual crime being committed against them? Far from blame shifting, it’s just common sense.

    There it goes again – putting all the responsibility on females for taking “precautions”.

    Isn’t it common sense for good men to say more and do more to peer pressure other males to behave decently rather than say it’s up to females to take all the precautions?

    It has now actually become very prudent for males to take precautions against getting themselves into situations where they could do something that could lead to major legal trouble – especially when their actions now could come back to haunt them years or even decades later?

    Isn’t it common sense to teach our young males precautions and teach them decent behaviour. All I’ve seen here today is males preaching at females.

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  113. flipper (4,051 comments) says:

    Nookin (3,174 comments) says:

    August 27th, 2014 at 9:44 am

    To be fair on them, dime, it was a silent protest simply as a reminder. While I did not follow the news item carefully, it did not seem to me that they were agitating or putting the pressure on.

    The news media reported a “confrontation”. It seemed nothing like a confrontation as far as I could see. Tony Kokshoorn was interviewed this …..

    ******

    Yep…good points all.

    And did you notice that TVNZ took the trouble to use another hagerism to link their “report” to C Slater and the WC woman who, having lost a son in the mine, more recently lost one in a motor vehicle accident.

    The most obvious fact was that the visuals did not support the (pre scripted?) audio over.

    And they think the public is buying all their repeated hagerisms. Dear, dear.

    ****

    Associated point: Mike “Fat Tony” (aka H Fee) Williams reckons National is now 43-44 %. Wolf, wolf, wolf ….. but the little pigs still cannot fly

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  114. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    Grendel at 10:08 am – well done, you’ve nailed it.

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  115. ciaron (1,431 comments) says:

    There it goes again – putting all the responsibility on females for taking “precautions”.

    No, it doesn’t. But this is an everyday reality, we all take precautions against some things that shouldn’t happen, but might. Do you wear a seatbelt Pete? Do you wear a cycle helmet and bright clothing when riding a bike on the road? I’m sure there are many other examples, but the brute fact is taking simple steps to protect ourselves in no way attracts responsibility.

    All I’ve seen here today is males preaching at females.

    All I’ve seen here today, is you employing the 4-DW* defence.

    *That’s Dip, Duck, Dodge, Dive & Weave.

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  116. Fletch (6,367 comments) says:

    re: feminist culture. It’s a laugh to see the contrast between Beyonce’s segment on the VMA’s and Sofia Vergara on the Emmy’s show in a joke segment where she stands on a revolving platform showing off her curves. One blogger puts the case –

    You won’t believe this. So on Sunday night, Beyoncé had a 15-minute medley performance at the MTV Video Music Awards. It was what you’d expect from Queen Bey these days — a stage full of back-up dancers in “naked stripper” costumes gyrating on strip poles, one of the most amazing collections of derrières I have ever seen, songs about performing oral sex in the back of a limo, a song about having a guy “tear that cherry out” (complete with the word “cherry” in big letters as the backdrop), a song that tells women who don’t respect Beyoncé sufficiently to “Bow Down Bitches,” S&M themes, intimate acquaintance with much of Bey’s crotch [...] that fellatio song (“Partition”) includes the line “He Monica Lewinsky-ed all on my gown.”

    But in the midst of this performance, there was a little sermonette about “Feminism,” illustrated with the helpful prop of “FEMINIST” in big letters at the back of the stage. And the media completely ate it up.

    —-

    At the Emmy Awards, Modern Family star Sofia Vergara introduced Bruce Rosenblum, chairman of the Academy of Television Arts & Sciences. Flatly, she said it had always been her dream to come to America to do such a thing on stage — but like so many American dreams, it soured on the vine. Rosenblum asked Vergara to step onto a pedestal that then rotated 360 degrees, showing off the Latina star’s famous curves while he talked about the state of the television industry.

    —-

    http://thefederalist.com/2014/08/26/feminism-or-sexism-depends-is-it-beyonces-vmas-or-vergaras-emmys/

    http://twitchy.com/2014/08/26/here-is-the-sofia-vergara-emmy-sketch-panty-twisting-hypocrisy-exposed-and-boy-was-it-easy-photos/

    Guess which woman was criticized? Hint, it wasn’t Beyonce and her sex show.

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  117. Fletch (6,367 comments) says:

    If you don’t like Beyonce, the Beygency will come for you! :eek:

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  118. flash2846 (284 comments) says:

    @ Judith: August 27th, 2014 at 9:01 am

    Sorry for the late response Judith, I have been working; and here it is:

    “Bullshit!”

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  119. kowtow (8,439 comments) says:

    PC madness marching relentlessly along.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/garda-station-to-fly-flag-in-support-of-gay-parade-1.1908921

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  120. cha (4,010 comments) says:

    How dare you use the deaths of your brothers, sons and husbands to further your misguided political bias.

    Yeah, terrible.
    /

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  121. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    Is this ok Kiwibloggers?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ralph-nader/corporations-spy-on-nonpr_b_5701894.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

    Corporations Spy on Nonprofits With Impunity

    Here’s a dirty little secret you won’t see in the daily papers: Corporations conduct espionage against U.S. nonprofit organizations without fear of being brought to justice.

    Yes, that means using a great array of spycraft and snoopery, including planned electronic surveillance, wiretapping, information warfare, infiltration, dumpster diving and so much more.

    The evidence abounds.
    ………

    _______________________________________________________________________________________________

    Penny Bright

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  122. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    You’ll be thrilled to know that I’ve got speaking rights at tomorrow’s Auckland Council Governing Body meeting
    (9.30am Auckland Town Hall).

    My subject matter arises from a Local Government OIA reply which reveals that since 1 November 2010, Auckland Council is now exposed to over $5.7 BILLION in derivatives.

    Follow the dollar …….

    In whose interests is Auckland Council being governed?

    Who else is asking these HARD questions?

    Penny Bright

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  123. stigie (1,169 comments) says:

    Theres a spycraft above the council owned house as we speak Penny !~

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  124. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    DNFTT …

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  125. stigie (1,169 comments) says:

    One day you may get some answers Graham….?

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  126. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    Well I’ve been waiting for well over a year and no answers yet – which is a bit rude; heck I live just around the corner from Helensville where she wants to wreak havoc (whoopsy, I mean, where she wants to represent the people) – so you’d think she could make the effort! :-)

    But I’m ever optimistic …

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  127. kowtow (8,439 comments) says:

    labour doesn’t believe in “low value immigrants”.

    I’d expect the MSM to beat this up ,but I’m not holding my breath.It’s OK when the left say it.

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/election-2014/313898/immigration-gaffe-jumped

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  128. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    How on earth is Minister of Justice Judith Collins ‘fit for duty’?

    She claims to have been ‘cleared’ by the Privacy Commissioner – then has to back-track because she’s LIED, and been caught with her political undies around her ankles?

    When is Prime Minister John Key going to FINALLY hold her accountable to ‘the highest ethical standards’ which, according to the Cabinet Manual, Ministers are supposed to exhibit?

    Or is that quite simply ‘mission impossible’ – given that Prime Minister John Key’s ‘moral compass’ is apparently stuck on Wall Street?

    (And Judith Collins’ ‘last warning’ is stuck on ‘infinite’? )

    Cameron Slater, Judith Collins and John Key – ‘birds of a feather flock together’?

    Whatever happened to ‘open,transparent and democratically-accountable’ Government, in New Zealand, ‘perceived’ to be ‘the least corrupt country in the world’?

    Oh – that’s right – it was always bullsh*t, it’s now the NZ corruption REALITY that is being revealed …….

    Penny Bright

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  129. goldnkiwi (1,303 comments) says:

    flash2846 (213 comments) says:

    August 27th, 2014 at 8:40 am

    Not disgusting, perfectly understandable but my opinion is that currently the mine is their memorial, so they have one. The men are close they know where they are, they can visit the site if closeness to remains is important. My sister does not visit our mother’s grave for the reasons I do as she doesn’t think she dwells there, I like having a place to visit and focus.

    Families whose men lie in foreign fields having fallen in the war, neither had remains or memorial (other than those erected post war) to visit.

    I do not think other lives should be put at risk.

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  130. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    The only thing being revealed Peeny is what a massive hypocrite you are. Stealing from councils to get a free ride is corruption.

    Breaking into peoples homes and hacking computers in order to steal material that is then edited and woven into a dishonest narrative is corruption.

    People writing songs about murdering the PM and raping his daughter is corruption.

    Face it, you and your lefty friends are the real source of corruption in NZ.

    Hager’s book has been a fizzle. It’s barely being talked about by the media anymore. Epic Fail.

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  131. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “Political songs backfiring”

    “The band @Peace really screwed up. You only have to click on that Wiki link to see how they’re going to be remembered. They released a song threatening to kill John Key – and then went into a swift panic, explaining that it was really all about mobilising young voters. The rallying cry included reference to sleeping with Key’s daughter. It wasn’t (quite) a statement of rape – but it’s a blunt and nasty use of the term, it’s a leading statement – “one of these days I’m going to f*** your daughter”. It could be very easily construed as a threat, an act of violence.

    But he’s only killed one thing here – the credibility of the left; this just makes it far too easy for the right and any right supporters to (further) paint the left as a bunch of crackpots – conspiracy theorists, loons.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/blogs/blog-on-the-tracks/10427335/Political-songs-backfiring

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  132. The only red for me is that of Manchester United (60 comments) says:

    Ohh for F’s sake Penny, stop using bloody inverted comas around every word and sentence. It ‘does’ ‘my’ ‘head’ ‘in’ ‘no’ ‘end’. And it is also incorrect.

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  133. stephieboy (3,013 comments) says:

    cha (3,840 comments) says:

    Abu Musab al-Zarqawi leader of a Sunni militant group was responsible for a series of beheadings of US and British civilians during the 2003- Iraqi invasion and war .

    I never heard of anyone trying to use the beheadings of Nic Berg etc as political football like the GOP is apparently trying to do now with James Foley .

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Musab_al-Zarqaw

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  134. lilman (958 comments) says:

    Penny instead of following the dollar how about PAYING THE DOLLAR?

    Pay what you owe,Nutcase.

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  135. minus (192 comments) says:

    Craig believed New Zealand politics had moved towards more backroom deals, including the Trans-Pacific Partnership, while Parker described as an “outrage” the 37 minutes it took Slater to have an OIA request approved.

    Has it not occurred to Parker, that after being called a liar by Goff, Tucker may have wanted to release the annotated document he held, and was pleased to have someone ask for it? :-)

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  136. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    Far be it from to tell people what to do, but I do suggest refraining from acknowledging Penny. (I know I’m frequently as guilty of this as anybody … )

    She is, quite simply, a troll. She posts off-topic, inflammatory rubbish designed to provoke people. You can’t engage with her in any reasonable way, because she simply refuses to answer questions (I know – I’ve tried. I even acceded to some of her demands many months ago when she stated that she would CONSIDER answering some of my questions, and … nothing).

    Buggered if I know how she expects to get anywhere in Parliament or, for that matter as an MP, when her entire M.O. seems to consist of demanding that people answer her questions while simultaneously refusing to even acknowledge any questions that people have the audacity to put to her. Luckily I think the good people of Helensville will very quickly come to see through her charade of actually wanting to represent them, when they realise that she doesn’t actually have any policies that directly relate to Helensville.

    But until she actually learns some manners, I cannot see any point in giving her oxygen, quite frankly.

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  137. Scott (1,792 comments) says:

    Can’t really agree with you Stephieboy. It’s a widely publicised image that shows the man before his execution. It shows I think one of the major differences between the Democrats and the GOP. The Democrats are incredibly weak on national defence, Democrat President Obama has been wrong on every aspect of foreign policy and I think it is quite fair for the GOP to point that out.

    What the Moslems are doing however is not extreme, it is living out their religion. I came across this from the Koran today which ISIS is just putting into practice –

    Surah 5.5
    Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

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  138. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    3 News has confirmed what had leaked out – in a poll to be released Conservatives are up 2.2 to 4.6%

    Patrick Gower:

    3 News Political Editor Patrick Gower says tonight’s poll shows Dirty Politics has given the political landscape “a real good shake”.

    “Not only does it have the Conservatives nearly at five per cent – there are also significant results for some of the other parties.”

    “Without giving too much away – there really has been some fallout from the Dirty Politics saga,” he says.

    “A lot of people have views on what John Key should do about Judith Collins. He hasn’t acted against her – we will give the public’s view on that.”

    http://www.3news.co.nz/politics/conservatives-close-to-parliament-in-new-poll-2014082714

    Sounds ominous for National but not surprising considering how poorly John Key addressed the issues raised.

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  139. stephieboy (3,013 comments) says:

    scott, I can’t really agree with you at all too.The image of Nic Berg’s and other beheadings was also very widely publicized . Actually it would be fair and reasonable to say the explosion of religious factionalism and extremism, including ISIS, had its roots in the Iraqi invasion of 2003. I
    I do note behind the GOP rhetoric and polemical bombast there is very little in the way of practical solutions apart from their usual saber .rattling. Your and the GOP would have the US fighting with “boots on the ground “on all fronts in the Middle East and not forgetting the Ukraine.
    Interesting that even Ron Paul’s son Rand ,questions the wisdom of all this bloated hawkishness that you and the GOP are so enthusiastic about .

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  140. david (2,557 comments) says:

    An interesting item on Stuff discussing how Cunnliffe et al took a couple out to Hobsonville to make some sort of point about housing.

    Not only was Twyford unable to identify where “affordable” (I think that means subsidised) houses would be built but the two shills declared that even under Labour they couldn’t afford to buy.

    These two are 20 years old and have a combined income of $75,000 and admitted that under National they could get the deposit together but couldn’t afford the mortgage payments regardless of who is the Government.

    Impertinent of me to ask I know but for how long has it been important that the weight of Government gets thrown behind 20 year olds to buy new houses? Crikey even back in the 60’s and 70’s it was expected that you lived cheap, saved like hell and your first house might be cold and draughty, need doing up, in an inconvenient location but for all that it was a stepping stone. The whole thing is screwed up mightily it would seem.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10430104/Homes-still-out-of-reach-under-Labour

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  141. ciaron (1,431 comments) says:

    State of play report (for those who like a laugh):

    the Who killed the Crewes thread has been hijacked and they are now discussing the Dunedin mass murder…

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  142. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Crikey even back in the 60′s and 70′s it was expected that you lived cheap, saved like hell and your first house might be cold and draughty, need doing up, in an inconvenient location but for all that it was a stepping stone.

    david – but that was then.

    As per the Green housing policy announced today everyone deserves a warm healthy home with secure long term tenure whether renting or buying/paying off your own.

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  143. Milburn35 (41 comments) says:

    The Electoral Commission says there are 554 candidates standing in this election. What a joke. The trouble with political jokes is that some get elected. The Greens and NZ First cannot win a seat anywhere so why do they bother standing candidates. The Greens say that they are after the party vote only so why embarrass their candidates. When you take the National and Labour votes combined of about 75% on the latest average polling it shows the mess MMP is and will continue to be.88% of people who voted in the 2011 election did not want the Greens, 94% did not want NZ First and so on for the minor parties. Penny Bright would score in the below 200 count and most of the minor parties candidates will be about this figure or less.

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  144. david (2,557 comments) says:

    PG – Why don’t they go the whole hog and ensure that everyone over voting age should be subsidised into their own warm healthy new home close to the CBD in the city of choice. Sort of like a birthday present. If phased in with everyone given the keys on their 18th birthday, it would only take 60 years or so for the whole country to be warm and healthy. [sarc]

    PG , I don’t know if you were just reporting but I detected an admiring overtone in your comment and would have to say that my point was that getting stuff too easily, without goal setting, a bit of sacrifice and the will to improve one’s lot is just pissing the country’s resources away on an ungrateful and unproductive bunch of self-satisfying immature wastrels.

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  145. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Not admiring at all – unrealistic idealistic policies like this that could be negotiated in the next government arrangement are a worry.

    Greens think that:
    a) Government should provide good housing for life to anyone who wants (“deserves”) it.
    b) People who want to own their own homes should be able to get what they want as soon as they want it.
    c) Landlords have been screwing tenants forever so can afford to upgrade their stock to a high standard for poor tenants on long term contracts (for as long as the tenant wants it).

    Labour have gone all fiscally prudent this week, seemingly. I have no idea how they will maintain that prudence in coalition negotiations.

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  146. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    not sure if this has been posted…

    also not sure if this is a pisstake or if the tub of crap is in denial. either way, hilarious.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/10429470/I-m-a-fat-girl-who-wears-revealing-clothes

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  147. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    Colin craigs in a roll so kiwiboggers if elected this mean for the singles self pleasure on Wednesday Thursday church Married Fridays for sex and reflection, SATURDAY a biggie contral trails the moon looking into his eyes and BIBLE READINGS and the BIGGIE BIGGIE for every week going to the right church decided by Collin…THE SECOND LIVING GOD AFTER JOHN KEY,who is jewish and had a hand getting rid of another god its getting confusing DONT VOTE I AM ,i have peter dunne ,gag

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  148. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    publicwatchdog (2,265 comments) says:
    August 27th, 2014 at 1:23 pm
    How on earth is Minister of Justice Judith Collins ‘fit for duty’?

    She claims to have been ‘cleared’ by the Privacy Commissioner – then has to back-track because she’s LIED, and been caught with her political undies around her ankles?

    When is Prime Minister John Key going to FINALLY hold her accountable to ‘the highest ethical standards’ which, according to the Cabinet Manual, Ministers are supposed to exhibit?

    Or is that quite simply ‘mission impossible’ – given that Prime Minister John Key’s ‘moral compass’ is apparently stuck on Wall Street?

    (And Judith Collins’ ‘last warning’ is stuck on ‘infinite’? )

    Cameron Slater, Judith Collins and John Key – ‘birds of a feather flock together’?

    Whatever happened to ‘open,transparent and democratically-accountable’ Government, in New Zealand, ‘perceived’ to be ‘the least corrupt country in the world’?

    Oh – that’s right – it was always bullsh*t, it’s now the NZ corruption REALITY that is being revealed …….

    Penny Bright

    Great post Penny ,Mr Farrar must be proud to have a REAL face on his blog other than the nutter wackos that abuse you, keyboard posters posting in dark rooms sitting in their underwear.Remember,keep posting,”THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE”

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  149. Gulag1917 (915 comments) says:

    The ads appearing on this blog are getting annoying.

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  150. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    Lurcher are you on some kind of medication?

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  151. Redbaiter (8,801 comments) says:

    “also not sure if this is a pisstake or if the tub of crap is in denial. either way, hilarious. ”

    Narcissism Dime.

    Its rife among the children and grand children of the boomers.

    Stupid little half educated self absorbed ignorant of history shits who have contributed nothing to the world and experienced none of the pain and suffering and loss of the generations that preceded them.

    She’ll end up married to a Muslim or a Chinese guy, if she ever gets that lucky that is.

    Just pissed our culture up against the wall.

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  152. EAD (1,070 comments) says:

    Hey Red @ 5.55pm

    I’m one of those children/grandchildren of the boomers and there are actually a fair chunk of us who are not the narcissistic, half-witted individuals you make up (although they are by far the majority).

    The biggest problem I see though is the lack of individualism in my generation. Everybody wants to be part of the crowd. Idiots who are quite happy to drop a bucket of ice-cold water on their heads because facebook told them to but if you talk them to about the evils of central banking, how “critical theory” is enabling the destruction of our civilization or the lack of independence in the MSM and their face goes blank and mentally they run a mile. I may as well be talking to aliens.

    You can see it when they talk politics. They will happily regurgitate whatever talking point the MSM feeds them (i.e. they will tell you this election is all about politicians creating jobs, dirty politics or Colin Craig/Jamie Whyte say “controversial” things), but outside of this, they are lost like a polar bear in the desert. As a result, they think that National & Labour represent vastly different ideas whereas the truth is on anything of real importance you can barely slip a fag paper between them.

    And how does this endless march of idiocy and socialism end up? I think we have to let it play out its natural course of destruction until people finally get off their backside and try to understand real economics and politics. I fear though they won’t be able to get away from their i-phones for long enough to spend more than 5 minutes listening to the MSM that the result of the inevitable crisis was “government austerity” or “wayyyycism” or “global warming” or “homophobia” or “terrorists” or whatever boogeyman the MSM says is to blame.

    I don’t know why shit like this pisses me off so much…but it freakin’ does. I guess it’s because I see all those people’s lives going right down the fucking drain right behind those buckets of ice water and I think:

    What a fucking waste.

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  153. Redbaiter (8,801 comments) says:

    Well said EAD..

    Like so many of the sensible words spoken in this socialist madhouse they’ll fall like a feather into the Grand Canyon of our slowly but surely disintegrating prog society.

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  154. ex-golfer (161 comments) says:

    That smug prick Cunliffe still doesn’t get it.
    He had the perfect opportunity to win some political points tonight.
    When asked about National having CCTV watching some of their billboards he claimed it was all too big-brother.
    If he had bothered to engage his brain he might have realised that denouncing the vandalism would make him look more like a leader – but of course he is too naive for that.
    Instead he appears to condone vandalism.

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  155. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    Heres a nice tune for you keyboard warriors to put your pants on and come out into the light bulb light.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyQ-tScuzwM nice track

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  156. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    I don’t know why shit like this pisses me off so much…but it freakin’ does. I guess it’s because I see all those people’s lives going right down the fucking drain right behind those buckets of ice water and I think:

    What a fucking waste.

    It’s the whole deal isn’t it. The issue we’ve never had before is the ubiquitous instant comms which has bought people to the lowest common denominator.

    In morality, in discipline, in courage, in all the good things.

    AND in self-ish-ness, in laziness, in all the bad things.

    At the same time.

    The only people who don’t suffer from this are those with wisdom. And guess what wise people do?

    The opposite of what fools do.

    And what do fools (and ALL young people) do?

    What everyone else does. With no thought as to whether or not its right or wrong, with no thought as to consequence. That just doesn’t occur, to fools and young people.

    And you look at society today, and you see a lot of thirty and forty somethings who have thought processes that yesterday’s generation would have classed as those of twenty somethings.

    And politicians, of course, love em.

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  157. nasska (11,473 comments) says:

    Eight times this month, my blind uncle has fallen out of the tree in his garden.
    Three or four times, he’s fallen off the neighbour’s deck and twice he’s got trapped under a car.
    Today though he got stuck in a gap in the village green fence, and the stress of it killed him.
    This has caused me a major headache, happening right at the busiest time of the year.

    Not only do I have to arrange the funeral and everything….I’ve got to find a new home for his guide-cat.

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  158. dishy (248 comments) says:

    ex-golfer:

    You got it one. Billboard vandalism is a crime. That Cunliffe sees fit to criticise a legitimate attempt to observe crime in action is consistent with his refusal to denounce the crime that underpins Hager’s printed rubbish.

    Cunliffe is morally bankrupt, and unfit to govern.

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  159. Southern Raider (1,829 comments) says:

    So Russell Brand, Oxfam and many other NGOs and celebrities have been part of the BDS campaign to boycott Israelis products.

    Looks like this has worked. Sodastream is closing one of their Israeli factories.

    But guess what lefty fuckers. The factory is in the West Bank and staffed by 900 Palestinians and is the major employer for that local villager.

    Own goal?

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  160. EAD (1,070 comments) says:

    @ Reid,

    all the memes aside of modern times the overarching movement has been away from laissez faire individualism towards collectivism. It has become so obvious but done so slowly (progressively) that people are only able to grasp what has happened if they can take a historical perspective, compare different eras and join up A LOT of dots.

    The problem is any formal attack on ignorance is bound to fail because the masses are always ready to defend their most precious possession.

    Time to tip a bucket of water over my head

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  161. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    people are only able to grasp what has happened if they can take a historical perspective, compare different eras and join up A LOT of dots.

    They trust EAD. That’s the problem.

    For example DPF hallucinates that 911 must have been done by the culprits thus far identified simply because he hallucinates if it weren’t then one of the thousands of people who had, in his hallucination, to be involved, would have talked. The fact many have, simply escapes his reality.

    Because he wants to believe.

    Because it’s better than not believing. That’s the, in his hallucination, “scary” alternative.

    Not that he’ll admit that, firstly to himself and secondly to anyone whose opinion he “respects.” But he never bothers to ask himself why he “respects” those opinions. If he ever does, he’ll learn lots of things not just about the world, but also and more importantly, about himself.

    But he won’t do that, until it becomes overwhelmingly obvious.

    Because he doesn’t need to.

    Because his circle doesn’t require that of him. Indeed it requires the opposite.

    And reinforces his hallucination he’s “informed.” Which increases his resistance to becoming so.

    Multiply that by all the sheeple in the country and you’ve got a society beholden to Travistock to do what they wilt.

    Our reality.

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  162. EAD (1,070 comments) says:

    9/11 IS the litmus test. But not just of our leaders. It tests our own desire to examine what we don’t wish to truly see.

    So many of “We the People” spend our lives thinking very little about our safety with regard to our own government. This is a testimony to the power of not just present day propaganda, but of the deep conditioning we have all been subjected to. So to call into question the official story of 9/11 is to call into question nearly everything we believe to be true. In essence it calls into question us. Most people do not yet have the courage to follow this extremely difficult path…..the road less travelled.

    “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” – Upton Sinclair

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  163. Gulag1917 (915 comments) says:

    Is New Zealand on the list to be “liberated”?
    “A pivotal factor was openly voiced U.S. threats in a law that had been passed by both the House of Representatives and the Senate of the U.S. Congress that could eventually result in an invasion of the Netherlands by United States army forces. ”
    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/08/25/guest-column-germany-america-frightens-us-roman-baudzus/

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  164. Dennis Horne (2,403 comments) says:

    Our best defence is a golf club. Our total defence is a bag of old clubs.

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  165. Southern Raider (1,829 comments) says:

    A high security inmate was flown from Auckland to Wellington for a court appearance and then had to be driven back to Auckland after air nz refused to let her fly because she was aggressive

    What is wrong with our justice process. Have they not heard of VC?

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  166. EAD (1,070 comments) says:

    While everyone is distracted by people of tipping buckets of ice on their head, Russia & China are busy ending the dollars status as the worlds reserve currency:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-27/gazprom-begins-accepting-payment-oil-ruble-yuan

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