General Debate 28 August 2014

August 28th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. mjw (392 comments) says:

    So John Key can’t intervene with Solid Energy, but he can with Air New Zealand? What gives?

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  2. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    Appalling poll coverage from Patrick Gower and 3 news, almost totally devoid of any basic knowledge of how polls work and ignores the lack of importance of a single poll three weeks out from an election.

    Poor poll coverage by Gower and 3 News

    This is dirty politics, media style.

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  3. Nostradamus (3,246 comments) says:

    MP has last laugh on her sign vandals

    As some MPs take steps to counter the vandalism of their campaign billboards, Labour’s Jacinda Ardern has taken quite a different direction.

    The Auckland Central candidate was spotted defacing her own election sign.

    The MP posted a picture of the sign – when it just had the eye cut out – on social media on August 9, with the words “It’s all fun and games until someone loses an eye.”

    After receiving suggestions the sign would be improved with a pirate theme, Ms Ardern obliged with a marker pen. She added lines to transform the missing eye into an eye patch.

    The work with the marker pen was done “a couple of weeks ago”, Ms Ardern said, although someone had since been back and removed some of her teeth.

    Goodness – it seems like someone has been horsing around at Jacinda’s expense.

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  4. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    This is not my words but worth repeating here as some have been asking questions about this sort of thing.

    Psycho Milt at No Minister spells it out for those who think it is just a song:

    If you’re thinking he didn’t say he was going to rape her, you’re missing the point. Here’s the rape culture involved:

    1. The most obviously rapey bit is that whatever interest or distinct lack of interest Stephanie Key might have in letting this ambulatory excrement within touching distance of her apparently isn’t relevant from his point of view.

    2. The less obvious, but far worse, rapey bit is the matter of why this turd-on-legs wants to fuck Stephanie Key – not because of her appearance, her personality or any of the other, mundane, trivial reasons two people might fuck. No, the reason he wants to fuck her is he thinks squirting semen in her would be a suitable gesture of contempt for her father. That’s rape culture right there, folks. Attitudes to sex and to women don’t get much more poisonous than this – quite an achievement for a self-proclaimed Green voter…

    Can’t have put it better myself.

    Ponder that and address what it says rather than who has said it.

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  5. Nostradamus (3,246 comments) says:

    Well done Pete – another thread on rape culture coming right up! *Sigh*

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  6. IGM (291 comments) says:

    Hope all those oldies remaining with Labour/Greens realise, if they drive, there is to be a reintroduction of over-70 drivers’ tests. This is a Green initiative to reduce the number of cars, forcing everyone to use public transport. Still, Wussel wants petrol at $3.50 per litre, so as to appease his and Labour’s unemployable breeders, with larger benefits and better houses. Think carefully workers and savers, your assets and savings are at risk, seriously!

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  7. Dead Earnest (160 comments) says:

    If Paddy Gower was covering the last Test between the All Blacks and the Wallabies his headline would have been “All Black’s- missed opportunities prevent bigger win against feisty Wallabies”.

    The TV3 poll out last night was a disaster for Labour, shedding 10% of their vote in a month, with less than 4 weeks to go, and faced with their disparate coalition partners cannibalizing there support base; Labour is in dire straits.
    Yet Gower’s headline was: “Latest political poll big blow to John Key”

    This poll was taken through the duration of the aftermath of the vicious “Hager smear” and only the very last day of polling would have been effected by National’s successful campaign launch and the Mana/Internet/Corkery train wreck.

    David Cunliffe will be a lot more worried than John Key by this result.

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  8. FeralScrote (204 comments) says:

    Cunliffes campaign strategy of kissing hands and shaking babies seems to be paying off in the polls.

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  9. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Pete
    It’s all distraction. They can’t really have an indepth discussion on policies because the Left don’t really have any. Well any which could stand much critical scrutiny beyond a couple of sentences!
    So it’s all froth froth froth about…..nothing much at all.Which is of course the purpose of whale dump and Hagars book- look over there, not at us.

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  10. Scott Chris (6,062 comments) says:

    Thinking of cheap houses here’s something that may be a big part of the future:

    http://www.theguardian.com/technology/video/2014/apr/29/3d-printer-builds-houses-china-video

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  11. fernglas (147 comments) says:

    If you have been following the news about the Google driverless car, it will be on the roads by 2015. It is incredibly efficient and economical, and if it catches on, will all but eliminate rush hour traffic jams as well. So there will be no need to spend billions of rates and taxpayer money on rail. Perhaps the Auckland Council could look a bit further ahead if Len wants a legacy and see the future of transport, not the past.

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  12. kowtow (8,326 comments) says:

    The only thing she should apologise for is unoriginality.Trelise cooper Indian head dress.

    PC gone mad.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11314942

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  13. graham (2,333 comments) says:

    @ Pete George at 8:04 am –

    Sure, I’ll address it.

    One individual moron writes lyrics implying rape, and almost everybody condemns it.

    This proves there is a “rape culture” how, exactly?

    PS I have no idea who “Psycho Milt” is, nor am I aware – or concerned – about the political leanings of No Minister, so the bit about who said it doesn’t apply.

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  14. Simon (699 comments) says:

    “From the beginning, there was growing evidence that child sexual exploitation was a serious problem in Rotherham.”

    Complicating the reporting was the fact that victims described the perpetrators as “Asian” and yet the council failed to engage with the town’s Pakistani community.

    “Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/60877854/1400-children-exploited-in-UK-town-report

    Proof that political correctness causes violent harm in society including against some of its most vulnerable. If you remain quiet it is a victory for the left.

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  15. Spam (588 comments) says:

    https://www.greens.org.nz/news/press-releases/14-million-renters-benefit-greens-housing-policy

    “The Green Party will amend the Residential Tenancies Act to provide tenants with the right of renewal on any tenancy. We want good tenants who follow the rules to be able to stay in their home for the long term.

    It is NOT THEIR HOME!

    My work wants to move me to another city for 12 months. I decide to rent out MY house in intervening period, and return to it when my work moves me back…. except the tenant exercises “right of renewal”. So, I’m not allowed to live in my own house.

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  16. oldpark (289 comments) says:

    I blame the cloth capped Journalist union infested media for the slump in the polls for Labour.The unions have invested heavily in Labour and have been looking for a return.They in the last few weeks have turned their pens and computer consoles on the National Party.In fact they have let a sneaky looking Tricky Nicky Hager a thin faced weasel ,a so called “Greenie” lead them by the nose.Instead of castigating Hager for his printing of stolen personal emails they have embraced it.One particular stolen email was so personal it beggars belief the mad rush to impale National allowed it to be printed.It was regarding the death of a persons mother after many months of suffering,by cancer.Hager the” Green Party” ratbag called his stolen emails Dirty Politics? I call the media who have been conned by him.Dirty sick lazy Media.Hagers sycophants,led by the nose like lambs to the slaughter.

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  17. OneTrack (3,024 comments) says:

    graham – “One individual moron writes lyrics implying rape, and almost everybody condemns it.”

    Most (90%?) of the commenters on Armstrong’s article in the Herald didn’t condemn it. But we know the Herald only has left-wing readers left, and they are very tribal.

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  18. Dennis Horne (2,388 comments) says:

    Pete George. You’ve won me over: New Zealand is a rape culture. I become the second man in the country, after your good self, to condemn rape. Wait a minute, that can’t be right…

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  19. oldpark (289 comments) says:

    As a result of the Green Party ratfaced Hagers theft. Hager has managed to get the potential democracy,and economy wreckers Materalistic Turei and, Leon Trotsky or is it Joe Stalins, communist propaganda embraced by, Russel Abnormal, in a position to destroy all semblance of business actitivity in NZ .With the help of Hagers stolen emails and the union infested MSMs help, that could be a reality.

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  20. IGM (291 comments) says:

    OneTrack: Is Armstrong related to Hager? He is as bad if not worse than the gutless weasel faced fruit.

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  21. OneTrack (3,024 comments) says:

    Heard Len Brown talking to Marcus Lush this morning. Talking at Lush would be a more accurate description. Lush was asking questions and it sounded like Brown was just reading a speech from when he was first elected ie most liveable city, blah, blah… He was in full happy-slapper rant mode.

    Is he going to wait for the General Election before he starts spending even more money – of course not, damn the torpedoes.

    Apparently Brown is going to be cutting council services to get under budget. Lush asked him, is he going to cut people in his public relations , newspeak department. No answer. I take that as a no, he’s not. He needs every last one of those spin doctors.

    The take-away for me was, I aren’t going to be able to afford to retire in Greater Auckland. Detroit, here we come.

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  22. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    26 is still not 21. Just saying!! :P

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  23. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    @ DPF – all these new ads popping up on Kiwiblog are very annoying, especially on tablet devises where it is easy to accidentally bump one when scrolling. Please reconsider!

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  24. Left Right and Centre (2,971 comments) says:

    Overnight I had a great idea that could potentially attract a serious stack of hate ticks . . .

    Minimum overtime / penal rates. Eg: 0-45 hours = minimum wage; 45-60 minimum and a half; 60+ double minimum.

    What say you savage ?

    You’d do it as a half-way compromise between the status quo and the France thing where everyone has lunch twice a day before knocking off early.

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  25. iMP (2,366 comments) says:

    Pete, there is a rape culture in NZ. It’s called Internet/Mana and its dressed in money and MMP.

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  26. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ WineOh (588 comments) says:
    August 28th, 2014 at 8:30 am

    Totally agree – especially the one above the comment box.

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  27. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    @ LRC, will just force employers to stop giving people additional hours over 45 per week, and make those who want to work more to try to find second jobs. Fail.

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  28. hj (6,922 comments) says:

    I heard Guyon Espiner interview Colin Craig and Winston. Colin Craig was as clear as a bellbird but Winston was prevaricating. Why can’t he just say he couldn’t work with the Greens, or (better still) explain which issues put NZ First off the Greens. He could have had a go at the media for protecting the Greens mad Aunties and Uncles while he was at it. Of course it could be that Winston has been told to STFU by Labour?

    We need to reform the system so the public can pick and choose their own mix around issues. The way parties are occupied by particular interests subverts democracy because they knock out choices.

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  29. Dennis Horne (2,388 comments) says:

    What will the thousands of overpaid clerks do when Len cuts the services? You know, the things we pay for.

    Cut salaries and staff, did I hear someone ejaculate?

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  30. OneTrack (3,024 comments) says:

    hj – “Winston was prevaricating. Why can’t he just say he couldn’t work with the Greens”

    Because, when push comes to shove, he will join the 5 headed hard socialist hydra.

    How many baubles will Cunliffe promise him to get him on board? How many baubles will Key offer him? The difference in the answer to those two questions should give you some idea what is going to happen.

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  31. flipper (3,991 comments) says:

    With all the crap that one or two folk here (KB, and elsewhere like Peters et al) talk about immigration, it is interesting to note the series of stats that O’Reilly delivered in his commentary yesterday.

    Dealing with the “I want…”, “ I want….”, cargo cult that has developed in the USofA, that the usual suspects (like Sharpton) are putting it all down to “white privilege”, O’Reilly’s response was formidable:

    Unemployment in US
    Asian 4.5%
    White 5.3%
    Black 11.4%
    Salaries (ave.)
    Asian $69,000
    White $57,000
    Black $33,000
    Education (have high school diploma or more)
    Asian 88%
    White 86%
    Black 69%
    Single parent homes
    Asian 13%
    White 21%
    Black 65%

    O’Reilly’s observation was that white privilege is illusory, and the stats send a powerful message of the need for everyone to accept personal responsibility.
    But there is also another message, is there not?
    One for New Zealand, and the message that white middle-aged Caucasian New Zealanders, and a few immigration nutcases, need to note, is similar. Just change the names the group names to “ASIAN, Caucasian, and Maori/Pacifica.”
    I suspect the results will be similar to the US..

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  32. Other_Andy (2,621 comments) says:

    The Kennewick Man Finally Freed to Share His Secrets
    He’s the most important human skeleton ever found in North America.

    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/kennewick-man-finally-freed-share-his-secrets-180952462

    As work progressed, a portrait of Kennewick Man emerged. He does not belong to any living human population. Who, then, are his closest living relatives? Judging from the shape of his skull and bones, his closest living relatives appear to be the Moriori people of the Chatham Islands, a remote archipelago 420 miles southeast of New Zealand, as well as the mysterious Ainu people of Japan. . . .
    The discovery of Kennewick Man adds a major piece of evidence to an alternative view of the peopling of North America. It, along with other evidence, suggests that the Jōmon or related peoples were the original settlers of the New World. If correct, the conclusion upends the traditional view that the first Americans came through central Asia and walked across the Bering Land Bridge and down through an ice-free corridor into North America.

    The US Army Corps of Engineers sure didn’t want this researched, and continues to interfere today.

    Reminds me of the stories of the Kehu, Patu-paiarehe, Turehu and Pakepakeha people (Ngati Kura, Ngati Korakorako and Ngati Turehu) in New Zealand.
    The ‘mysterious’ skeletons at Waikaretu and the tribes that vanished in the battle of the five forts. “The final, brutal episode of the battle was played out on the flats between Kakahi and the Whanganui river when the now, effectively victorious Whanganui Māori hung the legs of fallen Ngāti Hotu warriors from poles mounted in the forks of trees – a gesture at which their remaining enemies broke and fled off into the depths of the King Country to vanish from history”
    The alleged cover-ups….

    ‘Scientists’ and politicians trying to protect their well feathered tenures research grants and sometimes undeserved professional reputations….?
    Who knows?

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  33. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ OneTrack (2,780 comments) says:
    August 28th, 2014 at 8:42 am

    Yes, I believe if Winston gets to choose he will go with the Labour patchwork quilt, as opposed to National and it’s fruitloop partners.

    The reason is simple – Winston knows he would be constantly locking horns with Key whereas in the alternative he would be the strongest voice, and therefore be able to dominate. In short – he’d have more personal power with the left, than the right.

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  34. Left Right and Centre (2,971 comments) says:

    WineOh – who works the additional hours, or do they just disappear from the universe ? Oh yeah – BTW – IRD would count *hours* not number of jobs. You could have five jobs – minimum and a half would kick in at 45 hours total either way.

    I’m sure there’s all manner of clever clogs ways that folks would try it on to get around stuff. I’d unleash this country’s finest policy nerds on all the loose ends.

    I think that’s sort of the point anyway – it’s like the French idea without removing all economic freedom altogether.

    Aren’t workers worth paying for doing a long work week ? Nah – they’re lucky to get minimum wage at all and to have enough to buy posh one ply loo rolls instead of using strips of their community papers.

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  35. Ross12 (1,412 comments) says:

    Spam

    The greenies should look at what the UK call “sitting tenants” if the system still exists over there –if not let them read a history book. Bl…..y stupid system.

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  36. hj (6,922 comments) says:

    International expert says land supply is the reason for house inflation

    He seems to be a cornocopian who sees cities as great efficient generators of wealth (like Glaeser). So you see people heading from the country side to the city: Do you assume push or pull and to what degree is fulfilment achieved?
    Bertaud overlooks the fact that cities are feeding off faraway places (eons of concentrated sunlight and accumulated minerals).
    I see on his site support for open borders; he’s got religion

    The regulation, expressed through a mathematical formula linked to the movement of the sun, appears to have scientific legitimacy. In reality, it was only pseudo-scientific. Though the height of the sun at noon is an indisputable fact, the notion that each apartment needs one hour of sunlight is hardly an established scientific necessity.

    http://urbanizationproject.org/blog/markets-vs.-design-regulating-sunlight-in-pre-reform-china#.U_2xeWOKXpc

    What a prick!

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  37. Lindsay Addie (1,465 comments) says:

    hj 8;36am,

    Re Winston, I think obfuscation is a stock-in-trade response from him. I have a suspicion that he thinks obfuscation shows he is cleverer than others. Of course your right his political philosophy is quite different to the Greens. I cannot imagine Russel Norman and Winston Peters around the Cabinet table working together for the good of all.

    More of concern I don’t see DC having the leadership skills as PM to hold it all together and inspire others. His campaign so far isn’t doing so well with the inspiration stuff.

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  38. IGM (291 comments) says:

    Disgusted to see Pak n Save kowtowing and promoting the likes of the fat fairy from Wellington Central, and not advertising on right leaning posts. They will get the message by way of custom from myself and many associates, just as Mazda have, in the company car stakes.

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  39. Other_Andy (2,621 comments) says:

    Dead Earnest says at 8:07 am

    Yesterday Paddy got some help writing his ‘totally unbiased’ poll piece for the TV3 ‘news’.
    Guess who gave him a nod, a wink and some advice…?

    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/08/im-sure-board/

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  40. EAD (1,001 comments) says:

    Powerful article on Paul Craig Roberts:

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/08/25/guest-column-germany-america-frightens-us-roman-baudzus/

    The former “quality media” in Europe have lost the confidence of readers. A growing number of Europeans relying on Internet sites such as http://www.paulcraigroberts.org are quite well informed about the propagandistic nature of the Western mainstream media……

    Some of the large German newspapers destroyed what little credibility they had left when they used social media to spread their claim that the negative comments on their websites were written by people on the payroll of Vladimir Putin. One doesn’t know whether to laugh or cry over this grotesque assertion.”

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  41. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Other_Andy (2,484 comments) says:
    August 28th, 2014 at 8:44 am

    Our written history is not and never will be exact. It is reliant solely on the interpretation applied in the context in which it is recorded. Hence political and social intervention has dictated and continues to dictate what is ‘remembered’ and what isn’t.

    Just where the truth falls, who would know – but clearly much of what we have now, is still a way off the reality.

    I attended a WWI conference at the weekend where there were several international speakers, including one from Istanbul. It was really interesting to hear from the ‘enemy’ of their recorded experiences. It certainly gave me reason to reevaluate my own perceptions.

    I can imagine for some, the truth, especially of our origins, would be quite destructive to their existing beliefs.

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  42. jcuk (668 comments) says:

    I thought advts were customer oriented …. at 82yo, single I don’t think I’m interested in Huggies …. or is it a version for the incontinent? :)

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  43. Nookin (3,284 comments) says:

    According to the nice Mr Hager, the hacker is a decent and ethical man who was justified in doing what he did.

    So, a question for you Mr Hager.

    If, according to the standards of a decent and ethical society, it is appropriate, indeed almost compulsory, to hack into someone’s computer and publicise information to which the decent and ethical members of our society have right of access, why doesn’t the decent and ethical hacker show his face to receive the accolades he so richly deserves? Why is he skulking anonymously, feverishly waiting for the next opportunity to kick those with whose political persuasions he disagrees in the slats?

    Or do decent and ethical members of society still have a peculiar thing about criminal law and criminal activity and are not really comfortable with the lynch mob mentality that tends to accompany vigilante behaviour?

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  44. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    @ LFC, assuming the extra hours still get worked, it forces the employer to hire more people for shorter hours. It penalises the hard worker who gets his/her hours chopped, as well as the employer.

    And why should I as an employer take on another staff member for part time hours if I knew that they had to be paid time & a half even if they’re only doing 10 hours a week? There is no improvement in productivity, it just encourages employers to hire more but less productive workers. Higher overhead costs for the employer due to training, administration, etc too.

    What is the intention of your policy, increase in wages? The spectre of “full employment”, or just reduction in profits and more compliance?

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  45. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    jcuk (634 comments) says:
    August 28th, 2014 at 8:57 am

    LOL – now that comment made me laugh! :-)

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  46. hj (6,922 comments) says:

    flipper says:

    “But there is also another message, is there not?
    One for New Zealand, and the message that white middle-aged Caucasian New Zealanders, and a few immigration nutcases, need to note, is similar. Just change the names the group names to “ASIAN, Caucasian, and Maori/Pacifica.”
    I suspect the results will be similar to the US..”
    …………
    The fact that Asian immigrants do better than Kiwis in education and are over represented in medicine and chemist shops isn’t an argument for immigration unless those migrants are genuinely needed by the economy(1).
    What would people say if Kiwis went to nice warm Tonga and displaced Tongans in the professions?

    (1) That point is covered by Reddell who say’s Kiwis going to Australia when the economy dips act as a safety valve on the economy.
    Treasury paper 14-10 says that only a few migrants come in under the skills category.
    The Australian Productivity Commission concluded that there was little or zero benefit to Australians from immigration; it had all been captured by the migrants (and Property Council).

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  47. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    Dear god some yanks are mad. giving a nine year old girl an auto Uzi to shoot then they wonder that the weapon got away on her and shot the so called instructor in the head.
    And some dumb bastards want NZs gun laws changed.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/27/arizona-last-stop-gun-range-policies-instructor-dead

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  48. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Nookin (3,175 comments) says:
    August 28th, 2014 at 8:58 am

    Nookin, the arguments for or against the hacking can go on forever, but it still does not excuse the fact that if Cameron Slater had not conducted himself, and drawn others into his unscrupulous acts, then the Hacker, nor Hager would have had anything to present, let alone enough information to write a book.

    Your continued attempt to blame the messenger does not, and will never be an excuse for what Cameron Slater did – and I believe the polls are reflecting that many others are also of the same mind – that Slater’s relationship with National is not ‘attractive’.

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  49. eszett (2,401 comments) says:

    IGM (86 comments) says:
    August 28th, 2014 at 8:52 am
    Disgusted to see Pak n Save kowtowing and promoting the likes of the fat fairy from Wellington Central, and not advertising on right leaning posts. They will get the message by way of custom from myself and many associates, just as Mazda have, in the company car stakes.

    Right-leaning posts? Don’t you mean on one dishonest, sell-out blog, which sells posts to the highest bidder?

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  50. kowtow (8,326 comments) says:

    “Dear god some yanks are mad.”

    Some kids get murdered here by being put in washing machines or hung from clothes lines.

    How mad is that?

    This highlighting of negative incidents frm th US borders on the obsessive.

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  51. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    The thing is that apart from some details most of what has been ‘revealed’ by Dirty Politics was already known if you cared to observe Whale Oil over the past few years. And the media has been largely complicit.

    It took a hack and a well promoted book launch to force attention on it.

    Initial media interest was as much “I wonder if I’m mentioned” as discovering new political sleaze.

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  52. Lindsay Addie (1,465 comments) says:

    Judith 9.02am,

    I agree with your comments. When it comes to Slater, Hager, and DotCom the old poem comes to mind:

    “Oho!” said the pot to the kettle;
    “You are dirty and ugly and black!
    Sure no one would think you were metal,
    Except when you’re given a crack.”

    “Not so! not so!” kettle said to the pot;
    “‘Tis your own dirty image you see;
    For I am so clean – without blemish or blot –
    That your blackness is mirrored in me.”

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  53. kowtow (8,326 comments) says:

    Speaker from Istanbul, World war One, peoples’ origins and truth?

    Constantinople was a great Roman/Greek and then Christian city till the Turks invaded ,occupied and finally expelled the last of the Greeks.They are also guilty of genocide in 1915 against the Christian Armenians.They continue to treat their minorities with contempt .

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  54. Nookin (3,284 comments) says:

    Judith,
    I am not defending what Slater did. I have never defended what Slater did.

    If Slater hacked info or knowingly received hacked info then he is in exactly the same boat. You are the one that justifies hacking by saying that Slater is worse. Not me.

    By your argument, if I find some who has committed an assault on someone, then I am entitled to take the view that the assailant no longer has the protection of the criminal law. Analyse your argument and tell me how you can escape that conclusion.

    Your argument goes like this: Hacker is a criminal but Slater is an unlikeable criminal or criminal’s accomplice. Therefore Slater got what he deserved and so did everyone else affected by the fallout. Hacker is Mr Nice Guy because he whacked that nasty Mr Slater good and hard.

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  55. calendar girl (1,216 comments) says:

    PG: “This is not my words but worth repeating here as some have been asking questions about this sort of thing.”

    I assume that, by repeating the third-party statement at 8:04am above, you endorse it as an explanation of what constitutes “rape culture”. Just as, in introducing a lengthy letter featuring “rape culture” a couple of days ago, you endorsed what that writer had to say (even though you later claimed not to have raised the “rape culture” subject on the thread).

    If my interpretations are incorrect, please clarify – because this continuing obfuscation is becoming torturous.

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  56. dime (9,868 comments) says:

    “2. The less obvious, but far worse, rapey bit is the matter of why this turd-on-legs wants to fuck Stephanie Key – not because of her appearance, her personality or any of the other, mundane, trivial reasons two people might fuck. No, the reason he wants to fuck her is he thinks squirting semen in her would be a suitable gesture of contempt for her father. That’s rape culture right there, folks.”

    umm sorry. that is rape culture?

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  57. Left Right and Centre (2,971 comments) says:

    WineOh – it’s a watered down version of the French idea. The intention would be that if you’re an employee and work longer hours you have fewer reasons to go postal and aim the forklift at the business owner.

    They say happier workers are more productive workers. Depends how you look at it. 45 hours at $14 an hour is – well – $14 an hour. 50 hours would work out at $14.70 / hour. Is that pushing the boat out ? Oh no – that will stop NZ competing with Asian factory workers.

    You can’t tell me it wouldn’t open up a hole somewhere for at least one stinking socially-engineered additional job. Benefits and costs. I mean – NZ would be a lot more competitive if it just went free market and scraped the minimum wage. So why have it when it stifles growth and productivity ? And who’s wheezing their way into the next world mumbling ‘If only I’d managed to squeeze another 2-3% out of the business’ ?

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  58. EAD (1,001 comments) says:

    While everyone is distracted by people tipping buckets of ice on their head, Russia & China are busy ending the dollars status as the worlds reserve currency:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-27/gazprom-begins-accepting-payment-oil-ruble-yuan

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  59. dime (9,868 comments) says:

    “While everyone is distracted by people tipping buckets of ice on their head” – its raised over 100 million for its charity. not trivial.

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  60. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    calendar girl – I think it represents fairly commonly held views. DPF agreed, see the UPDATE on this post:
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/08/some_lyrics_from_the_kill_the_pm_song.html

    What are your views on it? For example do you think it’s an example of entrenched (not universal) male views that degrade women as sexual objects who can be used and abused?

    If Tom Scott saw Stephanie Key at a party wearing a short dress and lipstick would it be her fault if she was raped?

    Note that in this case his threat seems to have been without seeing her in person so he can’t use physical attraction and male libido as an excuse can he?

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  61. graham (2,333 comments) says:

    Pete, I go back to my original statement at 8:14 am.

    One individual moron writes lyrics implying rape, and almost everybody condemns it.

    This proves there is a “rape culture” how, exactly?

    As you said, ponder that and address what it says.

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  62. lolitasbrother (669 comments) says:

    Because I am not in NZ and have not got my feet on the ground, NZ soil [ haha so to speak, ]
    it is hard to feel the villiany
    I have phoned and emailed quite a few ex patriots and we are working away, all over.
    ‘ Vote NZ online 2014″ enroll now, vote soon .
    I am sure the Redbaiter will forgive me, but there is no room for kicking to touch.
    Its two votes NZ Nat

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  63. flipper (3,991 comments) says:

    A long time buddy in Melbourne, knowing my interest in politics, sent me this a few minutes ago.
    Magnificent troughers those pollies. Thank goodness we are not as generous to our fomer political masters. [Imagine the screams if this were to be done for J Key when he eventually retires. Of course H Clark still troughs, her tax free UN remuneration notwithstanding]…..

    Politicians and their obscenely excessive perquisites

    Renny Carter

    (Renny Carter 53, is an old journo and one of the Liberal Party’s faceless men, who has opinions on anything and everything in contemporary life.)

    DON’T SHOOT JOE HOCKEY

    The poor bastard has inherited a mess of unprecedented proportions that is going to take a long Liberal tenure to sort out and return to some normality – if at all.

    The sad reality is that Australia is made up of three types of people. Workers, bludgers and pensioners. And is desperately trying to claw every dollar they can back from this hurting system…the magnifying glass has momentarily paused above the latter category. Which is sad. We expect the pensioners to be looked after in this country. We don’t want to see elderly people homeless and destitute in Australia. And unlike Italy and Japan – we don’t have a culture of always looking after our senior citizens.

    I have an immediate idea that could claw back quite a few millions. Means test the politicians for a start! Let’s take a few luminaries who really don’t deserve the largesse we give them.

    The wastage in this area alone is horrendous and is a massive burden on the taxpayer. Moreover, is it justified? Do we get any value for money? The latest revelation that both Rudd and Gillard get a $200,000 salary for the rest of their natural lives plus enormous travel allowances, office accommodation and staffing costs is an insult given that neither was poor to start with and both now have ‘jobs’. They are young enough to work. Younger than me! If I have to keep working until I am 70 plus, why don’t they?

    A study in 2010 by the Daily Telegraph revealed that Mr Rudd, at 52, a young ex-prime minister, will receive well in excess of $20 million worth of allowances if he lives to 85. This is despite the fact he had served just 2 1/2 years as P.M. at that point. This of course has altered even more dramatically with his additional tenure.

    Then there are a host of other benefits – the airline gold pass, which entitles ex-PMs up to 40 business class flights a year. That’s almost 1 a week! If Mr Rudd takes 30 flights annually it will cost the taxpayer more than $60,000 a year. And trust me, nobody loves flying more than Kevin Rudd! Not even bloody Sea Gulls!

    Once retired, he is entitled to his own office, worth about $120,000 a year in Brisbane for the rest of his life and four staff, which political insiders say will cost $240,000 a year.
    What? The Rudd’s new multi-million home doesn’t have room for a home office?

    Mr Rudd would also be entitled to the lease of a car worth up to $55,000 for the rest of his life. Leasing experts say this would be worth $1000 to 1500 a month. And Mr Rudd will receive all of these benefits on top of his wife’s estimated $210 million fortune!
    Surely this good luck is the result of considerable ‘Government’ work being put her way and rules them out of any more wanton generosity from the Australian people.

    Add to this, Gillard. This former communist who has now embraced the capitalist ideal with both arms and not a whimper of complaint I notice. She has already ditched the brick veneer in Altona for a swanky pool-side ponderosa in leafy Adelaide no doubt made possible by a $500,000 salary and ongoing perks.

    My point is this. I have had to make cuts to my life because things change. The expensive office I used to lease in Melbourne is gone because, with the internet I can now work from home. I now use consultants rather than employ up to 10 people which today would send me broke. I now drive a ute because it is cheaper to register and insure. Cost cutting measures made to ensure I can continue to work in a country that is very much prejudiced against senior aged workers.

    Mrs Renny is not happy. I have taken over a picturesque corner of our winter lounge room and in her words – I am a messer! When the drawing board comes out, which it does at least once a month, the kitchen table is also rendered unserviceable. Not to mention several square yards around it.

    Why is it then that we continue to provide multiple millions to give these buggers swanky offices to run their now quite irrelevant lives from? I mean what has Hawke’s or Keating’s offices churned out in the past few years that justifies these silly extravagances? Books about them? Utterances from them? Both could be made from their kitchen tables surely! Does an Ex-PM really need an office that costs up to $14,000 a month? They have large homes with room for an office. None lives in a ‘bed-sit’. None even knows what a ‘bed-sit’ is! Maybe they should become pensioners and find out.
    Just so I am being even handed here – according to the 2010 figures Keating was in fact the most frugal as he keeps staffing costs low by engaging people on a part-time and ad hoc basis.

    Each former PM is entitled to at least two staff, including a senior private secretary, and the annual wages bill of each is nearly $300,000. Mr Keating saves about $70,000 a year by using staff as he needs them instead of full time appointees.

    However, new figures have come to light revealing that in the seven months after leaving office, Mr Howard spent $109,892 on limousine services, evenly split between the government Comcar service and private hire cars. Mr Howard’s office rental was the highest at $13,853 a month, closely followed by former PM Malcolm Fraser, whose 101 Collins St office in Melbourne costs taxpayers $12,122 a month.

    Former Labor PMs Whitlam and Hawke have offices on adjacent floors in Sydney’s Potts Point at 100 William St. The monthly cost for each is $7464 and $7898 respectively. Mr Keating’s office is also in Potts Point, in Manning St, and costs slightly less at $7434 a month.
    The former PMs also have their home and mobile phone bills paid by taxpayers, as well as unlimited allowances for publications, a private self-drive car, and air fares for them and their spouse. (Which really irks in the case of Therese Rein who has $210 million in the bank for Chrissakes!)

    These are in addition to their pensions under the generous former Parliamentary superannuation scheme, which gives them a pension INDEXED TO CURRENT MPs’ SALARIES FOR LIFE! The payout they receive depends on their length of service in Parliament, which is accelerated in the case of prime ministers and their final salary.
    Each PM can usually expect to receive about 70 per cent of the incumbent’s salary, unless they chose to take a lump sum on retirement. (I thank the Daily Telegraph for doing the hard yards here with the figures and info.)

    I have nothing against paying our PM a wage that reflects the importance of their job, but I have lots against them making millions from us when they a) don’t really need it and b) don’t really deserve it anymore.
    But now, the ones facing the fiscal axe, are the poor bloody pensioners who have worked and paid tax all their bloody lives! As for the bludgers… well that’s a whole separate issue.

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  64. hj (6,922 comments) says:

    grumpyoldhori (2,414 comments) says:

    The demonstrator might have just been a vet needing to earn a living. Not one we will see on You Tube.
    Imagine if the uzi had blown the mothers head off?

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  65. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Pete,
    I think you are conflating two things. The moron from @ peace wants to use his dick as a weapon to punish John Key. It’s not about sexual attraction at all.

    In terms of sexual attraction just look to the gang rapes in India, Egypt and closer to home, the gangs of Muslim Lebonese raping 17 yo Aussie girls in Bankstown who according to the youths, “were asking for it”. Now that’s a rape culture.

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  66. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    Graham, I’m not aware of “almost everyone” condemning it, especially not in the months up until now since the song was first released and played live. Can you back up your claim?

    I don’t listen to it but I’ve heard Hip Hop has a history of promoting violence and degrading females.

    The use of profanity as well as graphic depictions of violence and sex creates challenges in the broadcast of such material both on television stations such as MTV, in music video form, and on radio

    Rap has a bad reputation in white circles, where many people believe it consists of obscene and violent anti-white and anti-female guttural. Some of it does.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip_hop#Social_impact

    If it was an isolated example of threatening sexual violence you might have a point, but I think it’s part of a much wider problem.

    Do you think it’s an isolated example?

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  67. Dennis Horne (2,388 comments) says:

    Pete George. Women and girls “sexualise” themselves to attract men and boys. It’s natural and normal; we are sexual beings.

    My argument in a nutshell is, don’t be surprised if something goes wrong if you don’t play safe.

    Your argument is that women and girls should always be safe regardless of what they do. Well, I’ve news for you, there’s a real world out there and much of it isn’t very nice. But keep writing. There’s a chance you’ll persuade yourself you’re right. Or maybe the penny will drop.

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  68. hj (6,922 comments) says:

    flipper (3,814 comments) says:
    August 28th, 2014 at 9:34 am

    A long time buddy in Melbourne, knowing my interest in politics, sent me this a few minutes ago.
    ….
    Did he mention that Melbourne is a big sucking vampire squid taking resources from the rest of Australia while it grows on it’s people serving sector (property development)?

    A great sucking force can be felt around Australia, siphoning resources southwards, down the hungry throat of Melbourne. Australia makes, Melbourne takes.

    ”Melbourne is a parasite economy,” says Bob Birrell, the doyen of immigration and population studies in Australia. ”Increasingly, the fiscal dividend from Australia’s mineral boom is having to be distributed to Victoria to pay for the needs of Melbourne’s population boom. That’s why the Victorian Premier, John Brumby, is constantly having to go cap-in-hand to the federal government for assistance.”

    All of this poses the question, if Melbourne is going to become a city of 5 million people, but only by sucking resources from the rest of the country, what’s in it for the rest of the country?

    Nothing. It should not be surprise then, that on Saturday night Victoria, the state so reliant on big government and big immigration, went hard for Labor and a Melbourne Prime Minister.

    It wasn’t just parochialism, it was greed.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/the-yarra-monster-is-killing-us-20100822-13apt.html#ixzz3BdBgRNCj
    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Melbourne%3A+a+Parasite+city%3F-a0242963663

    Like our own Yarra Monster (The Auk).

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  69. dime (9,868 comments) says:

    “male views that degrade women as sexual objects who can be used and abused?” – not rape.

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  70. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    Dennis, again you’re putting all the responsibility on females to keep themselves safe (you won’t say lengths they should go to to do this, wear burqas?) and no responsibility on males for being safe to be associated with or in the vicinity of.

    graham may claim this is “one individual” attitude but comments here over time suggest it’s not.

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  71. graham (2,333 comments) says:

    Pete, for starters:

    Jordan Williams
    David Cunliffe
    John Armstrong
    Rape Prevention Education director Kim McGregor
    BOP Times Editorial by Scott Inglis
    Family First National Director Bob McCoskrie
    Oh, and the chief censor has received four complaints

    Also, check out the comments on John Armstrong’s article. Many people don’t specifically address this aspect, choosing instead to rail against National’s policies or the Taxpayers’ Union, but those who do address it are generally condemning it.

    Now, how about addressing MY original point? For the third time:

    One individual moron writes lyrics implying rape, and almost everybody condemns it.

    This proves there is a “rape culture” how, exactly?

    If you wouldn’t mind, please ponder that and address what it says.

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  72. stephieboy (2,801 comments) says:

    EAD,

    Guest Column from Germany — America Frightens Us — by Roman Baudzus

    Who is actually ” us” from this opinion piece.??

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  73. dime (9,868 comments) says:

    Pete – from what i have bothered to read this morning ive taken your point as:

    women should be able to wear whatever they like and go wherever they want without being raped.

    i think most of us would agree with that (id hope).

    unfortunately it will never be the case. thats not because we have a “rape culture”. its because a tiny percentage of the population will always be raping scumbags.

    I think i should be able to walk around otara at midnight wearing gold chains and having cash spew out of every pocket without being mugged. no one should ever be mugged. unfortunately that will never be the case. some people are muggers. do we have a mugging culture?

    emotion gets the better of people “she doesnt deserve it cause of what she was wearing” – umm no shit. BUT it didnt help that she was dressed that way when mr rapist was walking past. NOT HER FAULT.

    those fuckers exist. most women understand that and take precautions.

    do you lock your doors when you go out pete? same principle.

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  74. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Nookin (3,176 comments) says:
    August 28th, 2014 at 9:15 am

    That is not what I have said at all.

    Hacking is an appalling crime against the individuals right to privacy and freedom.

    You try very hard to put the cart before the horse. The fact remains, that Cameron Slater is a filthy piece of works, who uses the most unscrupulous methods to destroy anyone within his target, just because he can. There is nothing about the means by which that information was sought that excuses the type of person, or his behaviour. However…

    As far as the hacking and the manner in which both parties sourced their data, I consider them both to be wrong, morally and in law.

    249. Accessing computer system for dishonest purpose
    (1)Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years who, directly or indirectly , accesses any computer system and thereby, dishonestly or by deception, and without claim of right,—
    (a)obtains any property, privilege, service, pecuniary advantage, benefit, or valuable consideration; or
    (b)causes loss to any other person.
    (2)Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years who, directly or indirectly, accesses any computer system with intent , dishonestly or by deception, and without claim of right,—
    (a)to obtain any property, privilege, service, pecuniary advantage, benefit, or valuable consideration; or
    (b)to cause loss to any other person.
    (3)In this section, deception has the same meaning as in section 240(2).

    240 (2) In this section, deception means—
    (c)a fraudulent device, trick, or stratagem used with intent to deceive any person.

    Definition of stratagem
    a plan or scheme, especially one used to outwit an opponent or achieve an end.

    archaic meaning
    skill in devising plans or schemes; cunning.

    I therefore argue that Cameron Slater entered the Labour Site (defined as a ‘system’) with intent having previously been told of the information available and accessible in back up files which had not been encrypted. He then copied those files and information with the intention of ‘destroying’ his opponent. His plan, and scheme is very obvious.

    Therefore, as far as I am concerned, Slater and the Hacker have both broken the law – thus cancel each other out on those counts, which leaves us with all the other acts of dirty politics that Slater and his ‘friends’ have been involved in.

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  75. Dennis Horne (2,388 comments) says:

    Pete George. There are cases that are clearly rape by any definition, where some low-life drags a woman into the bushes. There are other cases where woman get the respect they award themselves and end up in situations where they lose control of the sexual “socialising” or encounter. And repeating the mantra NO means NO isn’t going to help them.

    I’m not talking about all cases, so don’t go off on a tangent.

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  76. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    graham – a general term like “rape culture” can’t be proven, just as it can’t be proven there isn’t one.

    But obviously Psycho Milt thinks this is evidence of something like a rape culture, as does DPF. And currently:
    Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 19 Thumb down 6

    That looks like some sort of proof that some people at least think there’s something to what PM said doesn’t it?

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  77. kowtow (8,326 comments) says:

    Simon says of PC

    “If you remain quiet it is a victory for the left.”

    Again back to the Rotherham. Hres the Daily Mail. Still calling Powell “controversial” his speech “notorious”,even though all sane right thinking people know Powell was right. and his speech was poular at the time.He was betrayed by his own party and the Establishment. At the end of the story is an interview with Frost, back in ’68 the MSM still playing its role of facilitating cultural marxism.

    The DM aren’t allowing comment on the story either! I wonder why?

    Here in Aotearoa, fomerly New Zealand the media did the same thing to Brash over his Orewa speech. The language is the same, “controversial”. “notorious” The outcome is the same,free speech and important policy destroyed by claims of “racism”.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2736019/Enoch-Powell-RIGHT-warn-against-immigration-claims-former-Tory-defence-minister-Gerald-Howarth.html

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  78. graham (2,333 comments) says:

    Pete, regarding your comment at 9:48 am

    graham may claim this is “one individual” attitude but comments here over time suggest it’s not.

    Can you back up your claim? In other words, can you provide links where people here have said something similar to “One of these days I’m going to fuck your daughter. This poor boy going to make his seed, going to wake up in your girl – well hello Miss Key.” Because that seems to be what you’re saying.

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  79. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    @dime

    its because a tiny percentage of the population will always be raping scumbags.

    Statistics suggest it is a bigger problem than with a tiny percentage of scumbags.

    And had you thought that raping scumbags could be encouraged to remain raping scumbags because a bigger number of men (and women) make excuses for rape-like behaviour and put most responsibility and blame on victims?

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  80. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    There are other cases where woman get the respect they award themselves and end up in situations where they lose control of the sexual “socialising” or encounter. And repeating the mantra NO means NO isn’t going to help them.

    Here’s another example where the woman is blamed for ending up in a situation where they “lose control” of the encounter.

    What about promoting some male control of situations?

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  81. kowtow (8,326 comments) says:

    Nostradumus and Jacinda pirate eye patch theme…….great.

    Some wag from Notional now needs to capitalise on the maritime theme already going ,get a shot of that and show Labour to be the robbers they are. Taxes are theft from the productive .

    JArrrrrrrrcinda Arrrrrrrrderrrrrrrn, I’ll squeeze ya till ya bleed and then you’ll wark the plank.

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  82. graham (2,333 comments) says:

    Pete George at 9:59 am

    graham – a general term like “rape culture” can’t be proven, just as it can’t be proven there isn’t one.

    Sorry, not good enough. You have posted for many months now about a rape culture, about how comments here on Kiwiblog demonstrate it, how men aid and encourage it, how people taking you to task about “rape culture” proves it exists – and now you say it CAN’T be proven?

    You – along with other people – are making some very serious accusations against men, and New Zealand society. If you want to be taken seriously, you need to be able to back those accusations up.

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  83. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Pete George (23,267 comments) says:
    August 28th, 2014 at 10:03 am

    There is another issue regarding this that was pointed out to me, and that is the mixed message that actually confuses some young males, and could contribute to them getting it very wrong.

    Conversations where they are told by other older males that some women don’t really know what they want, so you have to ‘show’ them, or that if ‘she’s dressed for it, she want’s it’ and so on.

    Being an adolescent is confusing not matter what sex you are – when you are given such messages which seemingly encourage a male to go a little further, then for some, that is translated into permission to force a situation that may end up as rape.

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  84. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    graham , my comment on “one individual” attitude was in relation to Dennis’s comments. Comments like his putting responsibility and blame on women and ignoring or downplaying the male responsibilities have been common on Kiwiblog. Check General Debate over the last two or three days for a start if you’ve missed it.

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  85. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Dime
    Nice summary. And yet Pete still doesn’t seem to get it.
    Are you wilfully stupid Pete? Or us it just your natural state.

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  86. ciaron (1,423 comments) says:

    What about promoting some male control of situations?

    Ok, that sounds reasonable. How do you envisage that being implemented?

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  87. kowtow (8,326 comments) says:

    Pete,

    Wimmin have been placed in danger by “progressive” society. The society you so adore.

    Wimmin should be able to go out in what they like ,walk where they like, etc etc.

    Our society no longer properly punishes the dangerous and vicious. We give them hugs and understanding blah blah.

    Criminals who prey on the weak deserve the harshest of punishment. It wouldn’t take long for the message to go out.But that will never happen.

    No no no, human rights!!!!!!

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  88. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ graham (2,277 comments) says:
    August 28th, 2014 at 10:08 am

    Any cultural belief, such as the nature of rape culture, can only be proved by the fact it is discussed, written about etc.

    One could argue that belief in god is a ‘cultural belief’ because it is a shared belief held by a particular group in society.

    Can that group offer any concrete evidence that God exists, or even that the belief exists other than through written, verbal or symbolic evidence? But I’m sure you wouldn’t argue that there is a culture of ‘god believers’ (or religious people) in society.

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  89. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    You – along with other people – are making some very serious accusations against men, and New Zealand society.

    For fucks sake graham. There’s more than serious accusations about a major problem in New Zealand with sexual assault and rape. It’s a proven major problem. And all you can do is obsess over the meaning of a phrase? That is part of the culture of denial and “poor me, my feelings are hurt” while diverting to a bloody awful problem in our society.

    Stop being so bloody precious. It’s not all about you.

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  90. ciaron (1,423 comments) says:

    Stop being so bloody precious. It’s not all about you.

    Except, you seem to be implying that we are responsible for it.

    If I am wrong about this perception, please correct me.

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  91. Dead Earnest (160 comments) says:

    Would down playing resposibility Pete, be like hiding from the consequences of one’s actions in an Equadorian Embassy?

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  92. kowtow (8,326 comments) says:

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/a_report/

    Rotherham in England is an example of real rape culture.

    Pakistani Muslims ,aided and abetted by Labour immigration policy, progressivism which denies free speech and common sense, multiculturalism and a shit “justice” system.

    You just have to celebrate all that diversity and enrichment!

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  93. flipper (3,991 comments) says:

    Comments on to commenters above….

    PG….
    What is your problem ? Were you raped, or are you a reformed rapist??
    Your fascination with the subject seems unhealthy.

    Judith…
    Give it up.
    Anything placed on the net in open form is a publication (aka a public document), albeit that may not have been intended. Period. No amount of weasling around will change that. Forget about your Corrections experience as a probation officer (?) , or Geddes or Guest, :-) or muggins, or around the horne. Get some real legal advice from a specialist in the field.
    Or… Judith… Are you driven on this matter, because your name was on the list available for public viewing, and it was redacted by whale??? (But probably still in his files) :-)

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  94. Jinky (184 comments) says:

    “Politics is a science. You can demonstrate that you are right and that others are wrong.” Jean-Paul Sartre

    Sums it all up nicely I thought

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  95. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    HJ I’m a vet, and there is no way I would hand a SMG over to a nine year old to play with, and expecting a nine year old to handle a Uzi on full auto was just madness.
    Are you trying to say the instructor was well trained by the US army ?

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  96. graham (2,333 comments) says:

    When people like you, Pete, are throwing around the phrase with abandon; when you admit you don’t even have a definition of the phrase; when you post links to stories that accuse “all men” of being a part of the problem; when you personally accuse “a majority of men” of “aiding rape”; when you say there’s a “a proven major problem” in New Zealand and tacitly imply it’s BECAUSE of rape culture – even though you can’t define or prove rape culture, but who cares, a majority of men are still guilty of aiding rape through rape culture;

    … then yes, I am going to pick you up on a phrase. If you don’t like it, tough. Stop spouting platitudes and ducking away from saying what you really think. If you want to use a term like rape culture which you know damn well is a vague, ill-defined term that covers a wide range of possible meanings and is guaranteed to wind people up, then be prepared to spell out EXACTLY what it means TO YOU. And as far as I’m aware, you have NEVER stated this. If you’re not prepared to explain your understanding of the term, then stop using it.

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  97. Milburn35 (30 comments) says:

    What are the MSM going to do after National win the election. Blame them for promising policies that the country can’t afford, not taking Hager’s book seriously, neglecting all those poor people and their kids,bribing first home buyers, not sacking Judith Collin’s, and ignoring .com. Run a series on Cunliffe on his life after being dumped as Leader of the opposition, interview the Greens on their failed policies and ponder on Winston’s retirement from Parliament. Congratulate Dann and Gower for their herculean efforts to protect the people of NZ from a stable government. They will have another Hager book to look forward to in three years time to sling the mud once again and maintain form and bias. Can’t wait

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  98. kowtow (8,326 comments) says:

    Progressive justice. Celebrate the diversity and enrichment that Pakistani Muslims brought to boring ,white Britain.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2736183/This-insult-14-000-victims-one-five-men-jailed-sex-abuse-free-police-told-hundreds-gang-members.html

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  99. david (2,557 comments) says:

    Grumpy, how does your career as an animal doctor equip you particularly to comment on firearm matters?

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  100. graham (2,333 comments) says:

    Judith at 10:12 am –

    Not sure where you’re going with the comparison to religion. You say that you’re sure I wouldn’t argue that there is a culture of ‘god believers’ (or religious people) in society? Umm, yeah there is, and they’re usually easy to recognise – rock up to a church on Sunday morning and you’ll find them in the natural habitat.

    But it’s stunningly obvious and exceedingly simple to define who is a participant in “religious culture”. I don’t claim that, for example, nasska and big bruv are participants in or aiding “religious culture”; and when they fly off the handle about religion I don’t claim ah-ha! that’s PROOF that you are guilty of participating in “religious culture”. Doesn’t require any deep or complex investigation. On the other hand, trying to get a straight answer from Pete about who, exactly, is involved in or responsible for “rape culture”, is nigh on impossible.

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  101. Fletch (6,296 comments) says:

    Oh dear!

    Sorry if this has been commented (as it is 2 days old) but I have just seen it.

    Paul Henry’s youngest daughter asked some questions about NZ politics on his show.
    See what she answers in regard to Whale Oil :lol:

    http://www.3news.co.nz/tvshows/paulhenryshow/political-opinions-of-your-average-kiwi—bella-2014082600?ref=video

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  102. OneTrack (3,024 comments) says:

    Pete George – “What are your views on it? For example do you think it’s an example of entrenched (not universal) male views that degrade women as sexual objects who can be used and abused?”

    No, I think it is just another example of left-wing KDS.

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  103. dime (9,868 comments) says:

    “Statistics suggest it is a bigger problem than with a tiny percentage of scumbags.”

    Really? What percentage of blokes do you think rape?

    5%? say we have 2,500,000 males in the country.. 120,000 of them are rapists? either now or in the future?

    “And had you thought that raping scumbags could be encouraged to remain raping scumbags because a bigger number of men (and women) make excuses for rape-like behaviour and put most responsibility and blame on victims?”

    we must run in different circles. i dont think i have ever heard a mate of mine say “she deserved it”.

    i think its more of “what was she thinking?” eg passing out drunk at a gang HQ and getting raped. that isnt saying the rapists arent to blame and dont deserve to be dealt to with the full force of the law.

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  104. dime (9,868 comments) says:

    PG – say you left your wallet on a table at the local food court. its full of cash.

    you do this 1000 times. 999 times the wallet is returned to you.

    on the 1000th time, someone pockets the cash.

    would that mean we have a thieving culture?

    what if, the person gets caught and successfully prosecuted, but your mate goes – geez pete, that was a bit silly of you. is that mate condoning the thieving culture?

    i think half the problem is using the word blame. the people i hang with dont blame rape victims.. but in some cases they could have done more to keep themselves safe.

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  105. Don the Kiwi (1,706 comments) says:

    david (2,552 comments) says:
    August 28th, 2014 at 10:58 am
    Grumpy, how does your career as an animal doctor equip you particularly to comment on firearm matters?

    david.

    I’m sure grumpy means he is a Vet-eran (military) not an animal vet.

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  106. Redbaiter (8,554 comments) says:

    National govt record payout to TOW claimants. $1.2 BILLION over six years. All settlements from 1989 total $2.7 billion.

    http://www.nzcpr.com/key-govts-1-2b-treaty-settlements-record/

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  107. wiseowl (869 comments) says:

    As Mike says Red , an ‘expensive mistake’.

    Never ceases to amaze me how politicians don’t appear to have the guts to read the historical details that are now so freely available and so enlightening.

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  108. NK (1,232 comments) says:

    http://www.act.org.nz/post/colincraig

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  109. kowtow (8,326 comments) says:

    Rape culture. If our courts sentenced dangerous criminals properly they woud not be out on parole to rape, murder and rob .

    This guy has just been given 21 years.He was on parole.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/10431938/Murderer-Aaron-McDonald-is-jailed-for-21-years

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  110. Other_Andy (2,621 comments) says:

    What is with all the Global Warming ™ cr@p in the paper in the last few days?
    Oh wait, the grand-whoring climate ‘scientists’ have another ‘it is the end of the world ‘meeting in Auckland. That lot is worse than the Jehovah Witnesses.

    The MSM just keeps on printing the same rubbish they spout year after year.

    Climate change poses a growing health threat, experts warn

    Malaria, which currently kills 800,000 people annually, most of them African children under the age of five, could claim an extra 60,000 lives per year.
    It is strongly influenced by climate change, with studies showing that warming enables the mosquitoes that spread it to flourish at more northerly and southerly latitudes and ever-higher altitudes.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11315534

    It is essentially the same garbage as in 2001 when the University of Florida speculated that global warming would increase ranges, and thus the range of mosquito borne disease.
    http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2001-07/uof-uss071201.php

    Or the NPR in 2002 , with ‘Is Global Warming Nurturing Parasites?’.
    http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/features/2002/june/warming/

    Or the Science Daily in 2006 with Warming Trend May Contribute To Malaria’s Rise.
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060322142101.htm

    But………

    “…Studies predicting that warmer climates will increase malaria infections commonly assume that the disease-causing parasites will develop faster and that the ability of the mosquito to acquire, maintain and transmit the pathogen will remain constant. They conclude that as temperature rises, mosquitoes become infectious quicker and therefore malaria transmission increases.
    But the latest study shows that temperature has a more complex effect. As temperature rises, parasites do develop faster, but fewer of them become infectious.”

    http://www.nature.com/news/global-warming-wilts-malaria-1.9695

    This apart from the fact that, according to the RSS dataset, there has been NO warming for about 17 years.

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  111. Griff (7,519 comments) says:

    This apart from the fact that, according to the RSS dataset, there has been NO warming for about 17 year
    Ignore all the actual thermometer based records because you dont like the facts.

    Other Andy do you have a faith in climate pixies?
    how else do you explain that the RSS data set shows the earth is radiating far less into space.
    C14 http://images.remss.com/msu/msu_time_series.html
    The trend for the upper stratosphere is -.762K a decade
    Or is that another inconvenient fact you chose to ignore.

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  112. deadrightkev (441 comments) says:

    “National govt record payout to TOW claimants. $1.2 BILLION over six years. All settlements from 1989 total $2.7 billion.”

    Red, that is way below the total since 1985 when the TOW Amendment Act was legislated. As Mike Butler has itemised the direct and indirect privilege and its now around $1.5 billion per annum total going to Maori. No wonder they have a 37 billion economy.

    Ngai Tahu and Tainui had full and final settlements for 300,000 pound in circa 1945. Both are still waiting for the ratchet clause to kick in so they can collect even more so they are in no hurry.

    National and Labour have been complicit in allowing the Waitangi Tribunal to fleece taxpayers for decades. It is one of the biggest single unaddressed issues we face and it is only going to get worse.

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  113. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ graham (2,279 comments) says:
    August 28th, 2014 at 11:01 am

    That example was given purely to point out that a culture exists in a form other than a ‘solid object’.

    Using that example again, you cannot normally tell, just by walking down the street, who is a member of the ‘god believing’ culture, and who isn’t. Whilst some might believe there is a God, they may not be a member of any particular religion and so on.

    With the ‘rape culture’, you asked for identification of who the members of that culture are. Again, it is not possible to identify them purely by looks or even behaviours, but only by examining their beliefs, can you determine whether they are a member of that culture or not. I would say, that it is a culture that many would not even realise they are a part of. In that, they do not realise that their beliefs actually minimise the crime of rape, or even reject it. As an example, someone saying that a young woman wearing a see through dress is just ‘asking for it’. Which could be interpreted as having the belief that if she was raped, its her own fault for wearing a see through dress. That person might find rape an abhorrent act, and yet fail to see that their belief actually supports it in some circumstances.

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  114. Rufus (658 comments) says:

    Dime 11:13 11:18 – good point.

    Research shows teachers have about the same rate of abuse against children as Catholic priests.

    Pete is rather silent on this.

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  115. Rufus (658 comments) says:

    Kowtow 10:26

    Re: the prolonged and systematic abuse of children in Rotherham, and the coverup by local authorities, especially the Police, the agency people expect and trust to protect society from monsters like these…

    If these men were white Catholic priests, the liberal outrage machine would spin for years.

    Instead we have an eerie silence…

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  116. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ NK (1,123 comments) says:
    August 28th, 2014 at 12:09 pm

    Excellent article. I am strongly opposed to binding referenda for the reasons pointed out. Whilst I accept that government represents the people, it must also be allowed to operate, which means at times, it must enforce legislation that not all will agree with.

    The example I frequently use is paying income tax. None of us want to pay it. Many of us, but not the majority understand that it is a necessity – a lot do not understand the balance required and so if presented with a referendum that states “should paying tax be voluntary”, they may just be silly enough to agree – and cripple the government.

    There should always be room for referenda in society, but only when they are of such quality that they represent reality, rather than poorly worded documents that only a minority agree with. Such referenda should rightfully be able to be ignored. Of course whether ignoring it was the right thing to do, or not, would be indicated at the next general election.

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  117. ciaron (1,423 comments) says:

    For a philosopher, Mr Whyte sure slays those strawmen…

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  118. Rufus (658 comments) says:

    Ciaron – bizarre huh?

    I don’t remember any official political website in NZ ever posting such a direct criticism against the competition. Maybe I don’t get out much, but it seems Jamie’s afraid / pissed. Maybe both.

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  119. graham (2,333 comments) says:

    Juidth, what I am asking is for Pete – who has been posting about “rape culture” and discussing it for at least 17 months – to clarify some his basic tenets concerning “rape culture”. Pete obviously feels very strongly about it; therefore I would imagine that in 17 months he has taken the time to consider what the term means TO HIM (not what it means to other people), whether we do indeed have such a culture in New Zealand, how widespread it is, who it applies to, who it DOESN’T apply to, who is responsible and in what way, and so on.

    Frankly, I find it quite stunning that someone who posts frequently on the subject of rape culture, has posted countless examples of what he considers to be “rape culture”, has accused several other people of demonstrating rape culture behaviour, opines that rape culture has been embedded in our culture for so long many (men especially) aren’t even aware of it (but it still exists), has stated that possibly a majority of men aid rape culture … can not even explain the term rape culture or provide a definition that he agrees with.

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  120. hj (6,922 comments) says:

    “The media should stop mocking Craig’s loopy ideas about “chem-trails” and the American moon landings being faked and instead examine his much more radical political ideas,” said Dr Whyte.

    Steven Franks says that was taken out of context., on The Panel.
    I agree with David Round.

    Binding referendums are often criticised on the ground that voters can thereby demand the impossible; can demand, for example ~ the Californian example again ~ both that taxes be reduced and that government expenditure be increased. This is a good point. Chaos can ensue if the impossible is demanded. In fairness, though, elected governments, just as much as citizens in referendums, can live beyond their means, ‘borrow and hope’, and generally do stupid things; the phenomenon is not restricted merely to decisions of the feckless people. Let us be careful to avoid snobbery here. Are we democrats or are we not? I am not automatically convinced that our increasingly narrow and self-focussed political class necessarily knows any better than citizen voters; when it comes to the general shape of policy, at least.

    A second reply is that it is not just California that has binding referendums written into its state constitution. A moment’s research ~ let your fingers do the walking! ~ will reveal that many very respectable European countries have some provision in their constitutions for referendums. Switzerland, in particular, has binding referendums at the national, cantonal and municipal level. I omit the fascinating details; the point I am making here is that Switzerland is a prosperous, well-governed and sensible country where the availability of binding referendums has not led to disaster. When used by responsible and thoughtful citizens, binding referendums can enhance both good government and human happiness, since politicians are readier to be reasonable if they are aware that a referendum might follow unwise decisions, and citizens are happier knowing that their direct participation in government is useful and important and always available.

    Bear in mind, too, that underlying the criticism that voters will make ill-informed and impractical decisions is the unspoken fear that voters will just reject the policies of the politically-correct ruling liberal caste. The fear is that if you give the common people referendums they will only do what the Swiss did and vote against mosques having minarets. I am afraid I do not see why the decision should not be the people’s.

    http://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.co.nz/2014/07/david-round-democracy.html
    I mean wouldn’t it be terrible if it threatened Harcourt’s Shanghai Op’s?

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  121. flipper (3,991 comments) says:

    Heh ANDY (other)……

    Good stuff.

    As always, they talk bullshit on malaria.
    I will bet that the invitees did not include the world’s foremost expert on malaria, Prof. Paul Reiter at the Pasteur Institute in Paris. Paul Reiter, incidentally, is an Englishman, and a very approachable, and patient fellow – especially if questions are posed “with clean hands”, information sought, and comments are devoid of idiotic links to papers by dummies.
    He always responds to polite requests, and can be reached by email at:

    Paul Reiter (preiter@pasteur.fr)

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  122. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    graham – as I’ve said a number of times it’s complex and can’t simply be defined, especially when you try to determine who is responsible (we are all responsible for the quality of our society as a whole but offenders are responsible for their own actions), but this looks like a good attempt to explain it:
    http://thewireless.co.nz/blogs/static/what-is-rape-culture

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  123. kowtow (8,326 comments) says:

    rufus

    Catholic priests?
    That’s the point of the other posts on PCness ,it all ties in. Trelise Cooper attacked for racist Indian headggear and this year a few other fashion types too ,same thing. Thr Redskins football team controversy as well as Stering who was forced to sell his basketbll team.

    Andrew Bolt in Australia ,convicted for racially offensive speech!

    The PC brigade have succeeded in criminalising speech in a number of formerly western liberal democracies. And where it is not criminal the media ,politicians ,academics etc are shutting down debate using race hate as the excuse.

    But when it comes to a traditionally western institution or imagery then we are fair game. Think Virgin in a condom as oppossed to Mohamed cartoons.Virgin was cited as a case of free speech and was allowed in what is pretended to be a museum of the people of New Zealand. I can’t imagine them allowing a Mohamed in a Ham Sandwich! In fact there is no way they would “give offence” to that lot.But to Christians? That’s a human right.

    Stop being sorry for being white or male or middle class or successful.Our rights are being slowly but surely eroded.Every apology is another nail in the coffin.

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  124. Fletch (6,296 comments) says:

    Research shows teachers have about the same rate of abuse against children as Catholic priests.

    Actually, according to a report by Carol Shakeshaft commissioned by the U.S Dept of Education, abuse by teachers is likely 100 times worse than that of priests.

    [...] according to Charol Shakeshaft, the researcher of a little-remembered 2004 study prepared for the U.S. Department of Education, “the physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charol_Shakeshaft

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  125. dime (9,868 comments) says:

    PG – i think i get it.

    Rape Culture is like the force:

    “It’s an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us; it binds the galaxy together.”

    lets be honest, rape culture is something made up by femnazis. they will throw it around to get whatever law changes they want, whatever extra funding they want.

    Rape Culture = bullshit

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  126. kowtow (8,326 comments) says:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/heidi-klum-facing-racism-backlash-over-her-promotion-of-redface-native-americanthemed-germanys-next-top-model-shoot-9251080.html

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  127. kowtow (8,326 comments) says:

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/leftists-enraged-over-robin-williams-emmy-tribute-including-racist-joke-about-oppression-of-muslim-women

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  128. graham (2,333 comments) says:

    Pete George at 1:27 pm

    … this looks like a good attempt to explain it:
    http://thewireless.co.nz/blogs/static/what-is-rape-culture

    Well that’s a starting point, providing a link to an explanation. Now here comes the hard question Pete:

    Do you agree with it? All of it, some of it, parts of it, none of it?

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  129. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    I see Hamas and world opinion won the war. Israel has had to lift the blockade and extend the fishing zone. A few more rockets should see the Gaza air and sea ports open and humming. What was Israel’s justification for the blockade again?

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  130. James Stephenson (2,155 comments) says:

    This one popped out at me from the Harold’s article on Len Brown’s plan to rate everyone in central Auckland out of their properties so he can cover the isthmus in concrete blocks:

    “Aucklanders keep telling me…fix the transport.”

    That’s certainly the most creative re-interpretation of “fuck off” that I’ve ever seen.

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  131. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    Graham – it’s far from comprehensive and I don’t agree with some parts of it but in general I agree with what they are saying.

    Do you agree with it? All of it, some of it, parts of it, none of it?

    Something I mat have missed you responding to – do you think what was expressed in the the @ clean on violence and sex an isolated example? Or a symptom of wider attitude problems?

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  132. Lindsay Addie (1,465 comments) says:

    Latest NZ Herald Digipoll:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11315586

    National 50.7 (up 0.7)
    Labour 24.1 (down 1.1)
    Greens 11.4 (down 2.3)
    NZ First 5 (up 0.7)
    Maori Party 1 (up 0.3)
    Internet Mana 3.4 (up 1.3)
    Conservatives 3.3 (up 0.7)
    Act 0.3 (down 0.3)
    United Future 0.2 (down 0.2)
    PREFERRED PRIME MINISTER (compared with last week)
    John Key 67.8 (up 3)
    David Cunliffe 11.6 (down 2.8)
    Winston Peters 8.2 (up 3.1)
    Russel Norman 3.8 (up 0.3)

    Not good news for the Labourites and DC.

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  133. Rufus (658 comments) says:

    Kowtow – I’m not apologising. I just see Pete George betting all bothered about a non issue while ignoring others of a similar nature.

    Fletch – thanks for that update. Last statistic I saw was about even.

    I now fully expect to hear liberal outrage about teachers’ abuse of chilluns. Oh, and Pakistanis.

    PS Nasska – you might like to reorient the target of your bigotry, or at least broaden the recipient class. (Nah, didn’t think so)

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  134. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ hj (6,683 comments) says:
    August 28th, 2014 at 1:21 pm

    Mr Craig wants to enter the political contest. It is one where there are very few concessions. If he wants to play with the big boys, then he really needs to suck up his criticism and learn to be guarded in what he says, unless of course he can provide evidence that totally supports his assumptions.

    As a potential MP, he should be aware that if anything he says can be twisted and given an alternative meaning, and be used to mock him – it will be.

    His statements about moon landings etc demonstrate to me that he is not ready for a life in politics – being told to put those statements to one side and look at the positive he offers, is stupid. It doesn’t matter what sensible things he maybe offering, if he doesn’t have the ability to withstand the criticism at this stage, he will not survive once the real game begins and will therefore not be an effective MP.

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  135. dime (9,868 comments) says:

    hmm I want to vote ACT! but 1.2% seems out of their reach.

    No point wasting my party vote.

    May have to vote National :(

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  136. graham (2,333 comments) says:

    Pete – some of it I agree with; some of it is wrong; some of it is confusing; some of it is taking the statements of one person and blowing them out of all proportion and saying “Oh no, we have a MASSIVE PROBLEM!!!”; some of it is very focussed, taking a problem that affects many many different areas and cultures and people and implying that it is only concerning when applied to rape; some of it is based on false assumptions; some of it based on false presumptions; some of it uses statistics that have been called into question many times.

    What do you agree with, and disagree with? Do you agree, for example, with the statement that rape culture is “the whole set of ideas we have around sexuality and violence and rape that normalise rape and make it acceptable, and at the same time, almost invisible.”?

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  137. RightNow (6,987 comments) says:

    Herald digipoll, not looking good for the lefty congloberate.
    National with 50.7% could govern alone with 64 seats.
    Winston First looks to just scrape in, but not have the balance of power, so no baubles for him.
    Conservatives . . 3 more years boys.

    The PiMPs seem to be leeching votes from Labour and Greens. Hone might get Harre, Sykes and Minto in on his coat-tails, but there’ll be 3 less nutbars from Labour/Greens so at the end of the day what’s the difference?
    Of course Labour might decide to actively campaign for Te Tai Tokerau, which would mean less PiMP nutbars and more Labour nutbars.

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  138. kowtow (8,326 comments) says:

    rufus, I must apologise for being unclear :)

    I know you wern’t apologising.I was referring to my earlier post about Trelisse Cooper apologising.

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  139. Fletch (6,296 comments) says:

    @Herald digipoll,

    good grief we don’t want those a-holes from Internet/mana in Parliament :(

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  140. Viking2 (11,417 comments) says:

    dime (9,646 comments) says:
    August 28th, 2014 at 9:26 am

    “While everyone is distracted by people tipping buckets of ice on their head” – its raised over 100 million for its charity. not trivial.

    =======================
    Fools and their money are soon parted! :lol:

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  141. Bovver (172 comments) says:

    Just when things couldn’t get any darker for the left the Herald Digipoll comes out and things go black.

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  142. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    FYI Kiwibloggers ……

    Asking the HARD questions that no one else is!

    (Got speaking rights at the Auckland Council Governing Body meeting today, and raised the issue of debt and derivatives..)

    Said I’d make this OIA request – so let’s see how quickly the ‘turn around’ is on THIS one!

    ________________________________________________________________________________________________

    28 August 2014

    URGENT/’Open Letter’ / OIA request to NZ Treasury

    re: Legislative changes since 2008 that have allowed NZ at local and central government to become more exposed to the derivatives market.

    Please be advised that under the Local Government Official Information and Meetings Act 1987, I have recently received a reply from Auckland Council, dated 14 August 2014,
    ( Auckland Council Official Information Request No. 9000130643)

    – which reveals the following information:

    My LGOIMA request question:

    ” 6) Please provide the information which confirms exactly how much Auckland Council has been exposed to the derivatives market since 1 November 2010.”

    Auckland Council reply:

    “Interest rate swaps are used to manage interest rate exposures on Council debt.

    The total notional value of interest rate risk management instruments (swaps) including forward start swaps is $5.8 billion and the average term to is 6.4 years.

    Total “live” swaps at 30 June 2014 are $3.2 billion.

    The forward start swaps of $2.6 billion will lock in the interest rate on future borrowings. ”

    ____________________________________________________________

    Please provide the following information:

    1) All legislative changes enacted since the John Key led National Government took office in 2008, which have facilitated, enabled, encouraged or generally made it easier, for New Zealand at local and central government level (including Crown Entities, and State-Owned Enterprises) to become exposed to the derivatives market, in any/all way, shape or form.

    2) The names of the banks, financial institutions and the like, which have facilitated, enabled and/or provided derivatives market services, in any form, since the John Key led National Government took office in 2008.

    3) As of today, 28 August 2014, the total current amount of exposure to the derivatives market held by the NZ Government, at central government level (including, but not limited to, Crown Entities, and State-Owned Enterprises).

    4) As of 18 November 2008 (the day before the John Key led National Government took office), the total current amount of exposure to the derivatives market held by the NZ Government, at central government level (including, but not limited to, Crown Entities, and State-Owned Enterprises).

    Yours sincerely,

    Penny Bright

    ‘Anti-corruption/ anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’

    Attendee: 2009 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference
    Attendee: 2010 Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference
    Attendee: 2013 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference
    Attendee: 2014 G20 Anti-Corruption Conference

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  143. Gulag1917 (883 comments) says:

    Interview with Chalmers Johnson author of “The Sorrows of Empire: Militarism, Secrecy, and the End of the Republic” given February 12, 2004 in Seattle.

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  144. Don the Kiwi (1,706 comments) says:

    Penny.

    You for got to add: Rates Bludging Water Stealing Very Corrupt Pubic Watch Bitch.

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  145. Other_Andy (2,621 comments) says:

    Look out, New Zealand!
    You are soon to be hit by hordes of Australians fleeing climate-change traumas!
    Says who?
    Says climate-and-health scientist Associate Professor Simon Hales*, of the University of Otago, speaking under the auspices of the Australian Academy of Science and, indirectly, the Royal Society (UK).
    His venue was an Academy High Flyers Think Tank in Brisbane last month.

    “In NZ we are very worried about a potential influx of Australians, you know, escaping heat waves and lack of water and infectious diseases…”

    https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/tony-thomas/2014/08/kiwis-await-climate-victims/

    Simon must be right because he is a Nobel winner according to the New Zealand Royal Society.
    And Griff says that you must be an unscientific nutter if you don’t believe the New Zealand Royal Society!

    *Simon is an environmental epidemiologist with an interest in the atmospheric environment and global issues. He is a UK import and ‘lectures’ at the University of Otago: Wellington”

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  146. deadrightkev (441 comments) says:

    I have heard the arguments attached to BCIR. I too was once sceptical about allowing the people a voice but as NZ is made up of 4.5 million people of equal value I decided they should be allowed a voice.

    As we have MMP the dog electoral system and both Labour and National have proven they cannot be trusted on any level I think BCIR with a 66% threshold and cool-down period is well worth the risk for democracy.

    If the issue going to referendum is worthy and there is independent scrutiny of the pros and cons it must be good for NZ. Just look at the history of parliamentary abuse we have endured on the referendums to date. Bring it on I say.

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  147. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    28 August 2014

    Incomplete Auckland Council Official Information request : (Ref: 9000130643) – please provide ALL requested information.

    Auckland Council CEO Stephen Town

    The reply I received to my Local Government Official Information and Meetings Act 1987 request: Re: Chief Financial Officer

    lacks the ‘devilish detail’ which I specifically requested:

    A) Namely, my question:

    5) Please provide the information which shows from whom exactly Auckland Council has borrowed, and for what purposes, since 1 November 2010.

    The ‘Debt Composition’ has been aggregated, and the exact names of those whom have provided ‘domestic funding’ and for what purposes, has NOT been provided.

    Those whom are listed as having provided ‘Domestic funding’ are grouped as follows:

    Bank Facilities
    Local Banks
    Public and financial institutions
    Banks and institutional investors
    Crown Electric Multiple Unit facility
    Local Government Funding Agency
    Offshore superfunds and institutional investors

    (The total debt is now $5,553 MILLION )

    1) Please provide the NAMES of each bank/company/financial institution/institutional investor listed within each of the above-mentioned groupings.

    2) Please provide the exact amount(s) borrowed from each of the bank/company/financial institution/institutional investor listed within each of the above-mentioned groupings.

    3) Please provide the information which confirms for exactly what purpose, this ‘domestic funding’ was arranged, with each of the bank/company/financial institution/institutional investor listed within each of the above-mentioned groupings.

    B) You did NOT answer this question

    7) Please provide the information which confirms that the ‘Treasury’ of Auckland Council has been compliant with the Public Records Act 2005, since 1 November 2010.

    Auckland Council reply:

    “Audit NZ annually review and audit the work of Auckland Councils Treasury Team to ensure policies and procedures are adhered to.”

    ___________________________________________________________

    With all due respect, compliance with the LAW is not the same as adherence to ‘policies and procedures’.

    Currently, those responsible for administering the Public Records Act are NOT ‘Audit NZ’ – but the National Office of the Archives, now attached to the Department of Internal Affairs.

    Please answer the question, and provide the information that was requested.

    I look forward to your prompt, and correctly-answered reply.

    Yours sincerely,

    Penny Bright

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  148. Longknives (4,691 comments) says:

    A vote for the Left is a vote to close down ALL Prisons. (*See Internet/Mana Party Policy)
    Meaning this guy could be roaming free in your neighborhood…

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11315391

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  149. Fletch (6,296 comments) says:

    Indian YouTube series about how to talk Australians.

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  150. Scott Chris (6,062 comments) says:

    Been watching a crime documentary series called ‘American Justice’. It’s really very good.

    If any of David Bain’s supporters want to see what a real wrongly convicted person looks like, check out this episode:

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  151. Fletch (6,296 comments) says:

    “Australians favourite meat to eat is lamb”

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  152. Other_Andy (2,621 comments) says:

    Slab of 99 beers.
    where?
    Texas of course!

    http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/08/26/austin-brewery-rolls-out-pack-beer/

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  153. aquataur (56 comments) says:

    A bit of light relief

    Hone Harawira was visiting a Northern primary school and the class was in the middle of a discussion related to words and their meanings.

    The teacher asked Hone if he would like to lead the discussion on the word ‘Tragedy’..

    So our future illustrious leader asked the class for an example of a ‘Tragedy’.

    Manu, a little boy stood up and offered: ‘If my best friend, who lives on a farm, is playin’ in the field and a tractor runs over him and kills him, that would be a tragedy.’

    ‘Incorrect,’ said Hone… ‘That would be an accident.’

    A little girl raised her hand: ‘If a school bus carrying fifty children drove over a cliff, killing everybody inside, that would be a tragedy.’

    ‘I’m afraid not’, explained Hone ‘that’s what we would refer to as a great loss’.

    The room went silent. No other children volunteered. Hone searched the room.

    ‘Isn’t there someone here who can give me an example of a tragedy?’

    Finally, at the back of the room, little Johnny raised his hand and said:

    ‘If a plane carrying you and Kim Dotcom was struck by a ‘friendly fire’ missile & blown to smithereens, that would be a tragedy…’

    ‘Fantastic’ exclaimed Hone ‘and can you tell me why that would be a tragedy?’

    ‘Well’, said Johnny, ‘it has to be a tragedy, because it certainly wouldn’t be a great loss, and it probably wouldn’t be an accident either!’

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  154. cha (3,943 comments) says:

    Indian YouTube series about how to talk Australians

    It’s an Australian made series.

    http://www.campaignbrief.com/2014/08/guilty-director-tony-rogers-la.html

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  155. Milburn35 (30 comments) says:

    Good God imagine Minto in Parliament. What would we get. Halt all racist remarks. Harr, Harr Harr

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  156. cha (3,943 comments) says:

    Meanwhile, in BabaKiueria.

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  157. Nostradamus (3,246 comments) says:

    All Blacks iPhone app for Big Bruv:

    Keeping track of the greatest rugby team in the world is a whole lot easier now with a new app.

    Developed by Wellington company Paperkite, the iPhone app is designed to keep All Blacks fans up to date with the season.

    This is a must-have app for All Blacks fans and will be handy to keep track of their progress in the upcoming season.

    Come on Big Bruv – you know you want it!

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  158. Longknives (4,691 comments) says:

    Does it give you regular updates on their ‘heroic’ hunting exploits Nostradamus?
    Pictures of the alleged ‘tough guys’ with dead Zebras? Elephants etc??

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  159. Nostradamus (3,246 comments) says:

    Longknives:

    The software is apparently free.

    It lets you customise your timeline by letting you choose what type of content you see. So you can choose a mix of stories, videos, tweets, statistics and fixtures, or all of them if you can’t enough of the boys in black.

    Perhaps you could take one for the team, if you’ll excuse the pun, and let us know whether any off-the-field content is included?

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  160. Longknives (4,691 comments) says:

    “or all of them if you can’t enough of the boys in black.”

    Flipper and D4J will be in for sure!

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  161. Steve (North Shore) (4,547 comments) says:

    There is a debate on TV tonight, and there is a looming Election.
    However, someone here keeps on hijacking General Debate into ‘Rape Culture’ Debate, wonder why?
    I would like to know more about United Future and where they stand in issues other than the rape culture.
    How about it? Will anyone tell us more about United Future? or will they just keep changing the subject and derailing the debate?

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  162. Fletch (6,296 comments) says:

    Some Simon & Garfunkel for tonight.

    Sitting on a sofa on a Sunday afternoon
    Going to the candidates debate
    Laugh about it, shout about it
    When you’ve got to choose
    Ev’ry way you look at it, you lose

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