General Debate 8 August 2014

August 8th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    First!

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  2. J Bloggs (241 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11305611

    So when are we going to see the Green party railing against chinese investors who buy disused dairy plants and turn them into ice cream factories….?

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  3. oldpark (324 comments) says:

    There it was, Harre the woman with a mans face and voice endorsing the verbal rape of our Prime Minister, as decreed by her sugar daddy puppet master the convicted criminal Schmidz/Dotcon.The sound of silence from Rape Crisis centre,Tania Billingsley.Jan Logie from Green Party is surprising, as when one of the mentioned was allegedly in the same situation regarding rape, the story ran for weeks and is still running.Perhaps to be kind to them they may have missed the verbal rape attack as endorsed by the Dotcon party on our man for all reasons and seasons John Key.

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  4. i McK (385 comments) says:

    FACT
    For those that don’t know about New Zealand history, here is a condensed version:
    New Zealanders originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic hunters and gatherers. They lived on animals on the plains during the summer and would then go to the coast and live on fish and mussels in the winter.
    The two most important events in all Kiwi history were the invention of beer and the invention of the wheel; the wheel was invented to get man to the beer.
    These were the foundation of modern Kiwi civilisation and together, were the catalyst for splitting New Zealanders into two distinct sub-groups.
    Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the beginning of agriculture.
    Neither glass bottles nor aluminium cans were invented, so while our early Kiwis were sitting around waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery. That’s how villages were formed.
    Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to BBQ at night, while they were drinking beer.
    This was the beginning of what is known as the National movement.
    Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting, learned to live off the Nationals by showing up for the nightly BBQ’s and doing the sewing, fetching, and hair dressing.
    This was the beginning of the Labour movement. Some of these Labour men eventually evolving into women. They became known as leeches.
    Some noteworthy Labour achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that Nationals provided.
    Modern Labourites and union leaders drink imported beer and they like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu and French food are standard Labour fare.
    Another interesting, evolutionary side note: most of their women have higher testosterone levels than their men.
    Most social workers, government workers (local and central), personal injury lawyers, journalists (especially at The DomPost), TVNZ staff, and group therapists are Labourites.
    Nationals drink domestic beer, mostly Steinlager or Speights, they eat red meat (rare), and still provide for their women.
    Nationals are police officers, engineers, corporate executives, athletes, members of the military, airline pilots, business owners, farmers, doctors, nurses and generally anyone who works productively.
    Nationals who own companies, hire other Nationals who want to work for a living, Labourites produce little or nothing.
    They like to govern the producers and decide what to do with the production, that is why most of the Labourites created the business of trying to get more for nothing – and usually plead for government money to fund their unproductive, parasitical activities.
    Here ends today’s lesson in New Zealand history.

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  5. kowtow (8,443 comments) says:

    oldpark?

    To that silence I’d add any mention from Devoy or the media about that JK jew poster .

    Has there been comment?

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  6. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    While the media and all the ‘principled’ politicians on the left are still busy denouncing the evil Jews who have the cheek to defend themselves against Hamas, one of the oldest cultures, the Yezidi is being exterminated by another one of Islam’s many einsatzgruppen.
    They, like the Jews, are occupying land that belongs to the Muslim caliphate.
    These practitioners of perhaps the world’s oldest surviving religion are being killed in droves, beheaded, raped tortured, starved, condemned to die of thirst, if they’re lucky, just sold into slavery. Killed, let it be noted, far more deliberately and ruthlessly and in far greater numbers than the Palestinian victims of the Israeli incursion into Gaza.
    Yet where is the massive, Gaza-style outcry in the media, the protests, the flag burning, the editorials and the grandstanding politicians and celebrities?
    Where…?
    The jihadis are perfectly free to slaughter thousands in Sudan, Syria and Iraq while their co-religionists and supporters openly preach the most vicious and threatening Jew-hatred in the streets of Auckland, Melbourne and Sydney. Real racism, real incitement to violence.
    There is a real refusal by so many on the Left of the political class and the media to acknowledge any of it.
    Where is the outcry in the media when Jewish (Not Israelis or Zionists!) children on a bus in Bondi Australia were subjected to shouts of “Heil Hitler,” “Kill the Jews,” “Palestine must kill you Jews,” and “We are going to cut your throats and slice your throats open” this week?
    Where is the outcry in the media when a large group of Muslims cheers on a cleric who called for genocide this week in Sydney?
    Where….?
    And fleeing to Israel to escape the threats and the complicit media won’t help.
    We will have that place Judenrein – free from the river to the sea- of Jews very soon, like the rest of the Middle East!

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  7. hj (6,996 comments) says:

    John Key is circling the wagons over farm sales.

    An American was talking on morning report and their are Dutch farmers who are successfully farming. They bring (more) money and skill and add new blood to the population, but who wins? A farm in Holland or the US probably sells for a lot more than a Kiwi farm?
    There is an economic value to being a member of a nation, the notion that all ships rise in these land sales is more than a bit shaky?

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  8. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    Huh?

    A family don’t feel safe after their dog was killed.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10360938/Atrocious-attack-ends-pet-poochs-life

    Umm it was a PITBULL and it was free to roam the neighborhood at night. What is wrong with this picture?
    Not saying this was an appropriate action to kill a dog this way, should have been dealt with through official channels but WTF is wrong with the owners?

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  9. kowtow (8,443 comments) says:

    Christians face a genocide in iraq at the hands of those who practise the religion of peace and tolerance at its purest.

    Where is the media and leftist outrage?Minto ,could you organise a march please?

    Nothing to see here,no Israels involved.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2718918/Thousands-Christians-flee-Islamic-militants-pulling-church-crosses-Iraq-biggest-town-overrun-ISIS.html

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  10. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Yet where is the massive, Gaza-style outcry in the media, the protests, the flag burning, the editorials and the grandstanding politicians and celebrities?
    Where…?

    Who would they protest to? It’s not as if their countries are supporting it like the US supports the Zionists.

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  11. hj (6,996 comments) says:

    Campbell: “We are still a small export nation, we are reliant on trade. How do we not look xenophobic.”

    David Parker: “What National and Steven Joyce are saying (that this is xenophobia) it’s lamost like calling the New Zealand population racist.. If you come and live in NZ sure; that’s the way it used to be up until the 1980′s
    Campbell: “Untill Labour was in government”
    David Parker: “Right. In the 1980′s and 1990′s we made some mistakes in New Zealand and one of them was to deregulate somethings that should have been reserved for your local population. I don’t want a New Zealand sharemilker to be outbid by a wealthy person or company from overseas.
    http://www.3news.co.nz/Should-foreigners-be-allowed-to-buy-New-Zealand-land/tabid/817/articleID/355583/Default.aspx

    That is a watershed for Labour since Helen Clark started what Labour did in U.K: progressive internationalism ( “rub the rights noses in diversity”).
    Expect a left-wing elite to try to undermine Parker. We have an industry devoted to progressive internationalism: cross cultural studies etc and links to the UN where open borders have lots of fans.

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  12. MH (751 comments) says:

    First ?
    I wish I understood what that meant. Probably MM the first to welcome General Commordore Air Chief Vice Marshall Bainimarama when he starts his political campaign here in NZ and learns how to use the internet voting system proposed by Dotecom and Huawai’s mistress spy Martyr Harre..

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  13. Odakyu-sen (646 comments) says:

    But don’t you see? Christians and Jews are “privileged*”; therefore it’s okay for them to be liquidated by “non-privileged.” people.

    *also applies if you are white/Japanese; esp. if male

    What is it with the Left and their desire to “put things right”?

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  14. oldpark (324 comments) says:

    Was reading Gomerel Cunliffe saying he would not have Mana/dotcom Party in cabinet,if by some fluke Labour got that choice.He didn’t say he wouldnt deal with them ,full stop.He could get confidence and supply out of them .That also means the dotcom party which demands the verbal rape of John Key.Gomerel Cunliffe should be quizzed on Labour’s ambigious position on the mentioned ratbag parties.Perhaps even then it wouldn’t help, as he is a proven chronic manifest liar.

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  15. hj (6,996 comments) says:

    Prime Minister John Key may be soft-pedalling his early comments that New Zealanders did not want to be “tenants in their own land” but it is that, more than any race-based prejudice, that should be at the heart of the debate.

    But don’t hold your breath.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/10356035/Farm-sales-polarising-our-pollies-and-public

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  16. flipper (4,056 comments) says:

    The silly “name on paper” argument advanced by the usual perp (and resident clown) is reminiscent of the shipping line argument.
    Remember????

    New Zealand was being held hostage by those evil “foreign devils” …… the ship owners mostly resident in UK and Europe.

    The answer?
    Set up our own shipping line. We did, with one container ship, and an interest in a Pacific Islands line.

    Another genius Labour policy, that was seen as a dog from day one, behaved like a dog, and pissed our money down the union drain.

    Anyone not see the xenophobic similarity to the land ownership issue.???? Those over-sized brief cases. Still not big enough. Are they?

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  17. hj (6,996 comments) says:

    While John Key claimed to be tightening up overseas farm sales Bill English was quietly defining ‘large farms’ that would be subject to overseas investment restrictions as being ten times the size of an average farm, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says.

    “Bill English issued a new ministerial directive to the OIO in December 2010 telling it to consider ‘large farms’, to be at least ten times the size of an average farm.

    “This directive was issued at the same time National pretended it was tightening up the criteria for overseas sales of farmland.

    “That was weasel wording. Those are massive farms and any New Zealander would agree.

    “No sale of rural farm land has been stopped under the new directive. Not a single farm. That’s because the criteria, including redefining the term ‘large’, was so loose as to be meaningless.

    “Around the same time as John Key was reassuring New Zealanders that he didn’t want to see ‘very large tracts of land’ sold off, his government was implicitly giving the green light to sales of giant farms.

    “He never told Kiwis that the definition of large was being stretched beyond belief.

    “National knows Kiwis are extremely concerned about their farmland being sold overseas but has no intention of stopping it. Instead John Key and Bill English are using dodgy definitions to falsely reassure New Zealanders.

    “National promised to fix this four years ago and here we go again. Labour will fix it once and for all. In a nutshell no farms to foreigners,” David Parker says.

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1408/S00081/nationals-meaningless-farm-sales-criteria.htm
    There’s an economic value to being a member of a nation.
    National betrothed to the real estate industry.

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  18. Paulus (2,626 comments) says:

    Until yesterday I had begun to respect some of Winkelman’s judgements.
    Never again – how can a 15 year old boy stand up to a very large 18 year old Samoan boy, who not only knocked him down but repeated hitting him on the ground.
    The judge said that the verbal abuse may have killed the younger boy as he had an unknown heart problem ?
    How stupid can you get – now I know.
    There is a phone video of the event which appears to have disappeared.
    I believe Winkelman was one of the Helen Clark special appointments, along with other women, with the view in the long term of having such as here in the highest positions.
    The Crown must appeal the decision and return the country to common sense.
    To say that I feel very strongly for the parents of the Manslaughtered boy is an understatement.
    No consequences – what are we showing the youth of today – he was over 18 years old.
    But comes ethnically from a country well known for its own kind of physical violence.

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  19. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Exposing the real ugly truth about anti-Zionism.

    France’s Jews Fled As Rioters Burned Shops To Chants Of ‘Gas The Jews’

    “France’s politicians and community leaders have criticised the “intolerable” violence against Paris’ Jewish community, after a pro-Palestinian rally led to the vandalizing and looting of Jewish businesses and the burning of cars.

    It is the third time in a week where pro-Palestinian activists have clashed with the city’s Jewish residents. On Sunday, locals reported chats of “Gas the Jews” and “Kill the Jews”, as rioters attacked businesses in the Sarcelles district, known as “little Jerusalem”.”

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/07/frances-jews-fled-as-rioters-burned-shops-to-chants-of-gas-the-jews/

    Pro-Palestinian Berlin mob: “Jew, Cowardly Pig, Come On Out And Fight”

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/07/pro-palestinian-berlin-mob-jew-cowardly-pig-come-on-out-and-fight/

    Anti-Semitism on open display in the name of anti-Zionism

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/07/anti-semitism-on-open-display-in-the-name-of-anti-zionism/

    “Anti-Zionists” gleefully use neo-Nazi material.”

    https://storify.com/InTheSoupAgain/anti-zionists-gleefully-use-neo-nazi-material

    Neo-Nazis, Islamists declare ‘You Jews are beasts’ during protest.

    http://www.jpost.com/International/Neo-Nazis-Islamists-chant-You-Jews-are-beasts-during-protest-of-Israeli-operation-362742

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  20. Chuck Bird (4,880 comments) says:

    “But comes ethnically from a country well known for its own kind of physical violence.”

    Good email except for the last sentence. The ethnically of the offender is not relevant.

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  21. flipper (4,056 comments) says:

    Paulus …

    I agree with your sentiments.
    But correct me if I am wrong. The original charge was murder. Then downgraded to manslaughter.
    Then down graded to ….what…. assault of some degree ???

    It seems to me that the problem is an inability of the Crown (notwithstanding what Rafferty argued) to prove a direct link between the assault and the actual cause of death.

    But the big aggressive 18 year old, deserves a much more meaningful sentence than “carrying the responsibility for…” it…etc etc.

    Weasel words, weasel words Winkelman

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  22. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    ‘To say that I feel very strongly for the parents of the Manslaughtered boy is an understatement’
    The initial charge of manslaughter was withdrawn IIRC. The youth pleaded guilty to assault with intent to injure.

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  23. flipper (4,056 comments) says:

    Chuckie….
    You are wrong.

    Violence is a cultural thing in Samoa, where the Matai (s) use it for discipline in a manner that would horrify .
    It is a problem in Samoa, and it is a problem here, in South Auckland, more than anywhere.

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  24. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    longknives – was it you that said the media would turn millie into “our millie”?

    fuck how spot on you were. more articles today.

    im sure the media are waiting for her to clean up a bit so they can offer her a tv show.

    how long till millie is telling us not to drive cars or something stupid?

    she is absolute trash. the dead guy – absolute trash. head hunters – the lowest of the low.

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  25. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    Here is another one

    Cassette Nine attacker avoids jail – victim is imprisoned

    Though police argued Papa should be sentenced to a term of imprisonment, Judge Russell Collins decided that unlikely have a positive effect.
    Despite two previous assaults on his criminal record – one against police – Papa was given 320 hours community work and 18 months intensive supervision.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11305788

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  26. Odakyu-sen (646 comments) says:

    How do you separate genetic-factor-based violence from cultural violence?

    How about this way:
    Cultural violence: I dealt to him because that’s what you do in this situation.
    Genetic-factor-based violence: I wasn’t in control. It just happened. I don’t know why I did it.

    Note: “genetic-factor-based” does not necessarily equal “racial.”

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  27. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    If Key should have ever leaned on his golfing buddy Obumma to borrow a drone for a strike yesterday was the day. Should have put 1000 lbs of TNT right into the center of “our milles” (puke) crowd !

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  28. flash2846 (284 comments) says:

    18 year old Killer of Steven Dudly, in the New Zealand Under 20 team?

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  29. Gulag1917 (915 comments) says:

    Israel the sledgehammer, Gaza the ant.

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  30. EAD (1,072 comments) says:

    It is interesting to follow the readers comments on this article by Ambrose Evans Pritchard in the Telegraph. It looks like his readers are in open revolt at the propaganda he is trying to sell how everything is Russia’s fault, Putin is a bad man blah, blah, blah. Take the below most popular exchange and you can see people are saying “enough is enough – stop lying to us you joined at the hip MSM/politicians, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/11017413/Vladimir-Putins-pointless-conflict-with-Europe-leaves-it-a-vassal-of-China.html

    Reader 1: “Quite a breath taking piece of propaganda – from start to finish. Russia will be fine, and by the way – it is Washington/Nato and the EU that started this trouble.”

    Reader 2: “Putin is defending his country against a cabal of international thugs and terrorists. They have been trying to destroy or neuter Russia for 20 years because it stands in their way of destroying Iran, Syria and the last vestiges of Iraq. Their goal is complete control of Middle East resources. Putin is probably the last person standing in the way of the New World Order.”

    Reader 3: “I agree. if you looked at all the aggression, killing and invasions over the last 20 years – it wouldn’t be Russia that would top the list of nations committing all this bloodshed and economic woes. Yet, Washington and the EU have the gall to turn around and accuse Russia of being a “rogue state” (non-compliant in other words) and a threat to world peace. it’s Orwellian doublethink that’s in play here – on a massive scale.

    No nation or leadership is perfect – including Russia – but the ball breaking arrogance and hypocrisy we’re being subjected to is PROOF that the so-called “west” has no longer any claims of moral superiority. It really hasn’t – and it sickens and shames me that I’m represented by these charlatans.”

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  31. Gulag1917 (915 comments) says:

    The West are going to come unstuck in their ambition to recreate the world in their image.

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  32. EAD (1,072 comments) says:

    And over on Lew Rockwell they ask the question “why have we not heard much about flight MH-17 of late”?

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/08/no_author/the-malaysia-air-shootfindown/

    The answer of course is that “some U.S. intelligence analysts have concluded that the rebels and Russia were likely not at fault and that it appears Ukrainian government forces were to blame,”

    Of course, I said that within 5 minutes of watching the way the media was trying to spin the story that they are trying to pin this on Russia despite no evidence and that we should be suspicious of this being a false flag as the Ukrainians had everything to benefit while the Russians had nil/zip/nada to benefit from shooting a plane:
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/07/another_malaysian_airlines_flight_goes_down_-_this_time_by_a_missile.html#comment-1361946

    Of course I got the useful idiots like Stephie & Shawn saying no, no, no you are definitely wrong – not because they (or anyone) had any evidence to back up their claim but because they are stuck in the mentality that Putin = bad and anything the MSM says must be true, ergo Putin is guilty.

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  33. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “Israel the sledgehammer, Gaza the ant.”

    ever been bitten by a bull ant? when i was a kid living in aussie i was bitten a few times. this sledgehammer killed said ants.

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  34. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    @ Gulag

    “Israel the sledgehammer, Gaza the ant.”

    It’s Gaza + Iran.

    “Iran admits giving Hamas technology for missiles”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/21/iran-admits-giving-hamas-technology-for-missiles/?page=all

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  35. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “Of course I got the useful idiots like Stephie & Shawn saying no, no, no you are definitely wrong”

    Of course we have useful idiots like EAD and Lew Rockwell schilling for Putin.

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  36. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    It seems unlikely that anyone will change their mind anytime soon about the MH 17 shoot down. The evidence so far points pretty clearly to the separatists and Russia. If you buy into the Ukraine/US conspiracy stuff then it is not likely that you will be persuaded by any evidence, and the forthcoming investigation probably won’t change your mind either.

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  37. EAD (1,072 comments) says:

    Do you think it is odd Mikey that the media has gone very quiet over this after weeks of exonerating Putin to fever pitch level.

    It is never in the news anymore despite arguably being the story of the year so far. Me things there are some “inconvenient truths” that are starting to surface as evidence.

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  38. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The evidence so far points pretty clearly to the separatists and Russia

    The inhabitants of the nearby villages are certain that they saw military aircraft in the sky shortly prior to the catastrophe. According to them, it actually was the jet fighters that brought down the Boeing.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/deleted-bbc-report-ukrainian-fighter-jet-shot-down-mhi7-donetsk-eyewitnesses/5393631<

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  39. Gulag1917 (915 comments) says:

    “Iran admits giving Hamas technology for missiles”
    Korean War technology

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  40. bringbackdemocracy (427 comments) says:

    TV 3 shows it’s bias
    Minor party leaders debate excludes the Conservatives

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1408/S00122/minor-leaders-debate-on-this-weekend.htm

    Even Act which have the same number of MPs as the Conservatives but a fraction of the support are included.

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  41. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “The inhabitants of the nearby villages are certain that they saw military aircraft ”

    That should read: “Global Research, a fringe conspiracy theory web site, CLAIMS that…..but provides no credible evidence”

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  42. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Interested in Ebola? Ann Coulter is:
    http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/214545-coulter-blames-doctor-for-catching-ebola
    Of course, some nutjobs welcome Ebola:
    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/07/christian-broadcaster-ebola-could-cleanse-us-of-atheists-gay-people-and-sluts/

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  43. aquataur (56 comments) says:

    You only have to read the paper today to see that we live in a totally fucked up society

    1. No conviction for a guilty plea to assault with intent to injure (Stephen Dudley’s killer)

    2. Slap on the wrist for a man who king hit another, unprovoked, who already has 2 previous convictions for violence

    3. Tuhoe family(Takamore) ignoring Supreme Court decision, and the gutless cops won’t enforce the law. Jamie Whyte is correct in that we have a legally privileged class in NZ. The claim that they haven’t been involved is irony at its best – what notice did they give to the widow?

    Time to get out while we can folks – go somewhere where the law is a force and the police, pollies and judiciary don’t pander to thugs and special interest groups

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  44. Left Right and Centre (2,975 comments) says:

    Bus driver beaten unconscious in Feb

    The driver was from Iran. He called time on the driving – fair enough too. What I’m curious to know is – did he go back to Iran because the job held his immigration status ? Was it either drive a bus in NZ or go home to Iran ?

    If so – incidents like this one are part of why you need to bring in foreigners to drive buses to put up with certain bus-catching lowlives. (eg – not so likely to happen if he’d been a porter at a three-star resort eh ?)

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  45. kowtow (8,443 comments) says:

    colville,acquataur

    Yep ,add that appalling footage of the gangsters publicly parading in Auckland to the list.

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  46. Left Right and Centre (2,975 comments) says:

    Lance – the dots can be connected, no? Dot one: person willingly obtains pitbull. Dot two: dog roams the streets.

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  47. Fletch (6,372 comments) says:

    kowtow & Other_Andy, too right!

    There are reports that the people starving and dying of thirst on Mt Sinjar are killing their children by throwing them off the mountain, rather than see them starve to death and of thirst.

    Date: August 6, 2014

    Subject: Report from Assyrian Aid Society of Iraq

    This report was sent to us by Ms. Christina Patto, VP Assyrian Aid Society of Iraq. Here what she wrote:

    Here is our report and some of our testimony concerning the events happening now in North of Iraq.

    It is a tragic situation, nobody can imagine how terrible it is, as much as I write to you and send you reports it will not be enough to describe the suffering of people.

    For Zummar and Sinjar: they are under Da’esh control, thousands of Yazidis died in the last two days, they are facing a real genocide. Till yesterday (45) children died of thirst. Some families throw their children from the top of Sinjar mountain in order not to see them die from hunger or thirst, or not to be taken by the terrorists. (1500) men were killed in front of their wives and families, (50) old men died also from thirst and illness. More than (70) girl and women (including Christians) were taken, raped and being captured and sold. More than (100) families are captured in Tel afar airport.

    There is about (50) Christian families in Sinjar. The terrorists were able to control the Syriac church there and cover the Cross with their black banner. Till now we do not know anything about those Christian families.

    According to Isreal Today, 1500 people in Iraq were killed in one day last week. That is almost equal to the number of dead in Gaza over the whole of the current conflict.

    In a single day last week, the militants of the Islamic State killed no fewer than 1,500 people in Iraq, nearly the same number of people that were killed in the entire month-long Gaza war. Christians are being systematically cleansed from the country. Most have been forced to convert, flee or have been publicly executed for their faith.

    “It is as if hell has broken out here and nobody cares,” Canon White said in an impassioned plea published by the Anglican Communion News Service.

    http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/24827/Default.aspx

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  48. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    @TheNationTV3

    BREAKING: Conservative Party seeks injunction to force its way onto @TheNationTV3’s minor party leaders debate.

    I don’t know if that’s a good approach but I think it’s unfair to leave Craig out of small party leader’s debates, it’s “the system” prejudicing against new parties. The Conservatives earned equal opportunity through the significant vote they received last election – substantially more than most other small parties.

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  49. Redbaiter (8,803 comments) says:

    Craig will probably get more publicity out of being excluded than appearing in that crummy prog show with that collection of dropkicks and losers.

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  50. Left Right and Centre (2,975 comments) says:

    Michael Raymond Holmes, 68, has been able to hide behind his wife, Sharon Leigh Holmes, from paying the total $773.277.89 to IRD.

    Yeah, no shit – you could hide a B-Train behind that fat fugly behemoth. Can you picture these two ever going at it ? Gary Larson drew her and magicked her into being – straight from The Far Side – far out. Where did the stolen tax money go ? Took IRD’s booty and made hers bigger – nice.

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  51. stephieboy (3,018 comments) says:

    milkenmild, thank you for that and the same end of times radio evangelists Rick Wiles now blames Obama for the Ebola virus,

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/rick-wiles-links-obama-ebola-outbreak

    Some of the thinking on the US far right is mind numbing almost beyond belief. !

    Conservative commentators Ann Cpulter’s contribution was most “thoughtful.” on Ebola.

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  52. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    @Gulag1917
    The Korean War never ended.
    So you might be correct, the very latest is Korean War vintage.

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  53. Redbaiter (8,803 comments) says:

    “Where did the stolen tax money go ?”

    You’d know.

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  54. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “Some of the thinking on the US far right is mind numbing almost beyond belief. !”

    Some of the thinking on the US far left is mind numbing almost beyond belief.

    Jack: “I don’t agree with Obama’s policies.”

    Jill: “RAAAACIST!!!!!!!”

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  55. Manolo (13,753 comments) says:

    Nobody believes the Kenyan anymore: http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/08/07/Obama-Flashback-Were-Leaving-Behind-a-Sovereign-Stable-and-Self-Reliant-Iraq

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  56. doggone7 (801 comments) says:

    flipper: “…It seems to me that the problem is an inability of the Crown (notwithstanding what Rafferty argued) to prove a direct link between the assault and the actual cause of death….”

    Was there a direct link?

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  57. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Shawn
    Find me something leftist that’s as out there as the ‘christian’ broadcaster welcoming Ebola as a plague to wipe out gays and atheists. For anything you’ve got, I’m pretty sure I could come up with 10 examples of fundie nutjobs saying something worse.

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  58. Left Right and Centre (2,975 comments) says:

    I was waiting for that one – can’t help yourself can you ? No – I’m not defrauding the IRD or committing any type of fraud nor have I and nor am I ever likely to. So no – I wouldn’t know, would I ? The closest I got was student allowance overlapping with PAYE – and you can put that down to I couldn’t be arsed sorting it out. Much easier to start receiving WTF letters from ‘the man’ followed by repayment in full.

    Mr Personality – man of the year. You’re such a lovebug Red.

    If you want to totally fuck Fri GD up spewing shit at me on behalf of all the benefit vermin you hate so much – go for it genius.

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  59. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “Find me something leftist that’s as out there as the ‘christian’ broadcaster welcoming Ebola as a plague to wipe out gays and atheists. For anything you’ve got, I’m pretty sure I could come up with 10 examples of fundie nutjobs saying something worse.”

    Trawl around the Democratic Underground site for a while.

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  60. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Colin Craig doing his own version of ‘Do you Know Who I am ”

    Craig trying to stop the minor party debate on TV3 tomorrow, unless he is included.
    TV3 says the debate is only for parties that have been represented in parliament over the last three years.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11305906

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  61. kowtow (8,443 comments) says:

    Find me something the leftist’s got on fundie nutjobs……

    Let’s see, keeping it current.Khmer Rouge sentenced for Cambodian genocide.Estimates one qurter of the country murdered….

    and remember the fundie hasn’t actually done any killing.Just expressed a rather odd and distatsteful opinion.

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  62. Manolo (13,753 comments) says:

    Mr Craig is on a hiding to nothing. TV3 is a private organisation capable of choosing the people it wants to be part of the debate.

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  63. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    “The inhabitants of the nearby villages are certain that they saw military aircraft ”

    That should read: “Global Research, a fringe conspiracy theory web site, CLAIMS that…..but provides no credible evidence”

    Except for the witness testimony on the BBC video, of course.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zUvK5m2vxro

    The Russian military adds that it detected another aircraft at 17:21 ascending toward the Malaysian airlines Boeing 777 at a distance of 3-5 km. It was monitored by two radar stations for four minutes and was not equipped with a secondary identification system. Kartapolov says it was a Ukrainian air force Sukhoi Su-25 ground attack aircraft. He stressed that the “Su-25 is capable of reaching the altitude of 10,000 meters for a short time” (the aircraft’s service ceiling is 7,000 meters). The aircraft’s weaponry includes the R-60 (AA-8 Aphid) air-to-air missile capable of striking targets at a distance up to 12 km, the military official says

    http://aviationweek.com/awin-only/russia-shares-mh17-radar-data

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  64. stephieboy (3,018 comments) says:

    Manolo,

    Obama ( born in the US unlike Republican Ted Gruz ), made that address back in 2011 and his assumptions were very reasonable ones ,withdrawing US troops within the timeline laid down by his predecessor and agreed upon by the Iraqi Government .

    Fox News recent dishonest attempt at the key timeline of events about the 2003 invasion of Iraq conveniently and deliberately leaves out these highly important and salient details ,

    May 1, 2003: President Bush declared “Mission Accomplished” in Iraq from the deck of an aircraft carrier, less than two months after U.S. troops entered the country and toppled Saddam Hussein’s regime.

    January 25, 2004: Former CIA weapons inspector testified that the U.S. intelligence community failed to determine that the Iraqi weapons program was in a state of disarray prior to the U.S. invasion of the country.

    April 30, 2004: Photographs emerged showing American soldiers torturing and abusing Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison. At least 11 U.S. military police personnel went on to serve prison sentences for the crimes.
     
    June 28, 2004: U.S. officials transferred formal sovereignty of Iraq to Iraqi leaders.

    November 8, 2006: Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld resigned amid growing criticism of his handling of the Iraq war.

    November 17, 2008: U.S. and Iraqi Parliament ratified a status of forces agreement that mandated the end of 2011 as the date by which American troops must leave Iraq.

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/06/12/fox-news-fairytale-timeline-of-the-iraq-war/199704

    It’s not Obama’s fault that the Iraqi leadership were not up to it containing the ISIS insurgents given the kind of support ,militarily and economically, that the Bush administration provided .

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  65. kowtow (8,443 comments) says:

    Craig can’t get on.

    Of course not. The MSM are playing their role of gate keeper.

    last night TVNZ news led with some horsey fellow being cleared of doping, spent several minutes on an insignificant (to NZ,not the victim)murder trial in South Africa and literally a couple of seconds on the genocide by Muslim extremists against a minority in Iraq.

    Gate keepers and “opinion formers”.

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  66. oldpark (324 comments) says:

    See McCready the bankrupt serial litigant got his arse kicked.His made up claim against John Key and John Banks,was thrown out by the judge.Pity he dosent do something useful,like taking the big criminal sugar daddy Schmidz/Dotcon to the police for inciting subversive actions in the sovereign country of NZ.

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  67. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    .. in the sovereign country of NZ.

    Except it isn’t.

    http://www.actsinjunction.info/corruption.html

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  68. kowtow (8,443 comments) says:

    All Obummer had to do was send a few of these babies into Iraq to take out the vehicle columns of ISIS terrorists,job done.

    ps It would save the west a great deal of rouble when the shitheads eventually come “home.”

    A10 warthog

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  69. macdee (42 comments) says:

    “The family of James Takamore are prepared to fight to the death to keep his tupapaku (body) in Kutarere, Bay of Plenty, after protestors blocked an exhumation planned for this morning.”

    Now who’s right, Jamie Whyte or Dame Susan Devoy??

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  70. stephieboy (3,018 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth, from your second link this significant detail detail,
    “Kartapolov says it was a Ukrainian air force Sukhoi Su-25 ground attack aircraft. He stressed that the “Su-25 is capable of reaching the altitude of 10,000 meters for a short time” (the aircraft’s service ceiling is 7,000 meters). The aircraft’s weaponry includes the R-60 (AA-8 Aphid) air-to-air missile capable of striking targets at a distance up to 12 km, the military official says. ”

    Note for a “short period “at 10,000 meters

    and this from some of of the comments ,

    R-60 (AA-8 Aphid) air-to-air missile is a infrared guided weapon. So this type of missile would hit one engine with 3 kg of high explosives. An A300 survived a similar attack near Baghdad. A radar guided Buk missile will hit the fuselage.
    The question is why should the Ukraine shoot down a high flying aircraft?

    and this one as well,

    It is also curious that Singapore Airlines flight SQ351 and Air India AI113 – about 25 km from the Malaysia Airlines flight when it was shot down (confirmed by FlightRader24) – did not detect one or more Su-25s in the area.

    Plainly the Russian Radar data does not present the full story and how could the alleged witnesses identify livery and the alleged Su 25’s at 10 ams.?
    Again it is obvious that a Mig 29 or Su 27 is what was needed to down M17.Not a ground attack aircraft like the SU 25

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  71. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Does anyone know whether the Civilian party actually got registered?

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  72. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “Find me something leftist that’s as out there as the ‘christian’ broadcaster welcoming Ebola as a plague to wipe out gays and atheists.”

    From Obama’s spiritual mentor.

    Rev. Wright Blames “Them Jews” for Keeping President From Talking to Him.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/06/rev-wright-blames-them-jews-for-keeping-president-from-talking-to-him/

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  73. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I’d argue that’s not as far-out crazy Shawn, but I said if you did it I’d come up with another ten. Here’s five anyway:

    1. Congressman thinks there’s a ‘war on whites':
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2014/08/04/rep-mo-brooks-talks-war-on-whites-as-the-gop-loses-the-battle-for-votes/
    2. An advocate for genocide:
    http://www.mediaite.com/online/whoa-times-of-israel-op-ed-advocates-genocide-against-gazans/
    3. Check out this ‘joke':
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/dem-leader-makes-unbelievably-awkward-whip-joke-in-front-of-african-leaders/
    4. Michelle Bachmann: she’s a keeper, isn’t she?
    http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/michele_bachmann_warns_obama_will_experiment_on_ebola_infected_migrant_kids_invading_us
    5. Ray Comfort has some news about gravity:
    https://www.facebook.com/official.Ray.Comfort/photos/a.122900324397116.15609.110962898924192/869672073053267/?type=1

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  74. wreck1080 (3,905 comments) says:

    Dita De Boni, Herald columnist is a classic example of a left wing blind person.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11305530

    She writes…

    “It seems unlikely that Novopay, which struggles to handle the Bolshevik-inspired system now in place, would be able to adapt to the bulk-funded fantasies of Joyce, Parata and co.”

    The ‘Bolshevik’ inspired system now in place is largely due to the teachers union who are very strong in NZ.

    “Joyce , Parata and co” were not even in government when novopay was signed off. Dita De Boni doesn’t even get her targets correct. De Boni prefers to blame Joyce and Parata (and national) as it fits her world view better than the facts.

    Todays column is just a waste of space as she cannot even get the most important facts correct.

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  75. stephieboy (3,018 comments) says:

    kowtow, this is not your trumpeting of the US Calvary re A10 Warthog but much more effective,

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/18/in-defence-of-drones-keep-civilians-troops-safe

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  76. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    @wreck – “Bolshevik inspired” – you don’t think De Boni was intentionally having a dig at the unions for the ridiculously complex collective agreements? You’re probably right, she never struck me as being that witty.

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  77. wreck1080 (3,905 comments) says:

    @rightnow– true, but, her article really got up my nose today!!

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  78. Odakyu-sen (646 comments) says:

    “The family of James Takamore are prepared to fight to the death to keep his tupapaku (body) in Kutarere, Bay of Plenty, after protestors blocked an exhumation planned for this morning.”

    The police will be acting under orders. With an election in a little over five weeks, the government doesn’t need another Tuhoe incident to be blown up out of all proportion on the front pages.

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  79. stephieboy (3,018 comments) says:

    Thanks yet again milkinmild . I note the link to Michele Bachman and her family both notorious as corporate welfare junkies,

    Hypocrisy Alert: Michele Bachmann is a Welfare Queen

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/08/02/hypocrisy-alert-michele-bachmann-is-a-welfare-queen/

    Hypocrisy on an epic scale.!!

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  80. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    The Green author at The Standard is trying to leverage off the Dotcom abuse approach to politics – Fuck inequality! Fuck poverty! Fuck the Nat govt!

    Some of Karol’s posts are virtual campaign advertising for the Green Party so it’s fair to ask how closely associated she is to the party and their campaign.

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  81. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    GUTLESS COPS BEAT A HASTY RETREAT!

    Takamore battle: Police withdrew for safety reasons

    By Katee Shanks –
    ROTORUA DAILY POST

    11:39 AM Friday Aug 8, 2014

    The family of James Takamore are prepared to fight to the death to keep his tupapaku (body) in Kutarere, Bay of Plenty, after protestors blocked an exhumation planned for this morning.

    It’s been reported a ceremony was to begin about 5am, with the exhumation expected to take about two hours. However, a group of Tuhoe protesters blocked the road leading to the cemetery.

    Police left the scene, leaving the road blocked by a number of cars and a group of more than 20 protesters.

    Area commander for Eastern Bay of Plenty, Inspector Kevin Taylor, said police made the decision to leave for safety reasons.

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  82. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Pete George – I had a look at that post and was amused at this part:

    Last year when I was helping at the New Lynn WINZ office, I had the single mum who was sexually violated. She had her child, and WINZ wrongly started deducting the $20 per week for not naming the father. This was an error, as rape is the exemption, but this error had deducted $20 per week for ten years for being a victim. We managed to secure her a $10,000 rebate at a time that she needed the break!

    This is an indictment on the current Paula Bennett-John Key driven system of dis-entitlement

    Funny that the error happened 10 years ago, before National was in government, but its Key and Bennett to blame.

    The continued use of the term ‘entitlement’ says it all.

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  83. Manolo (13,753 comments) says:

    It is shameful to see the NZ Police surrendering to a mob of Stone Agers.

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  84. Steve (North Shore) (4,560 comments) says:

    For those that don’t know about New Zealand history, here is a condensed version:

    New Zealanders originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic hunters and gatherers.
    They lived on animals on the plains during the summer and would then go to the coast and live on fish and mussels in the winter.
    The two most important events in all Kiwi history were the invention of beer and the invention of the wheel.
    The wheel was invented to get man to the beer.

    These were the foundation of modern Kiwi civilisation and together were the catalyst for the splitting of New Zealanders into two distinct sub-groups:
    1. Nationals, and
    2. Labour.

    Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the beginning of agriculture.
    Neither the glass bottle nor aluminium can were invented so while our early Kiwis were sitting around waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery. That’s how villages were formed.

    Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to BBQ at night, while they were drinking beer.
    This was the beginning of what is known as the National movement

    Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting, learned to live off the Nationals by showing up for the nightly BBQ’s and doing the sewing, fetching, and hair dressing.
    This was the beginning of the Labour movement.
    Some of these Labour men eventually evolved into women. They became known as pooftas.

    Some noteworthy Labour achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that the Nationals provided.
    Modern Labourites and Union leaders drink imported beer and they like their beef well done.
    Sushi, tofu and French food are standard Labour fare.

    Another interesting, evolutionary side note: most of their women have higher testosterone levels than their men.
    Most social workers, government workers – local and national, personal injury lawyers, journalists (especially at The DomPost), TVNZ staff, and group therapists are Labourites.

    Nationals drink domestic beer, mostly Steinlager or Speights.
    They eat red meat (rare), and still provide for their women.
    Nationals are police officers, engineers, corporate executives, athletes, members of the military, airline pilots, business owners, farmers, Doctors and Nurses and generally anyone who works productively.
    Nationals who own companies, hire other Nationals who want to work for a living.

    Labourites produce little or nothing.
    They like to govern the producers and decide what to do with the production.
    That is why most of the Labourites created the business of trying to get more for nothing – and usually plead for government money to fund their unproductive, parasitical activities.

    Here ends today’s lesson in New Zealand’s history.

    It should be noted that a Labourite may have a momentary urge to angrily respond to the above before forwarding it.
    A National will simply laugh, and be so convinced of the absolute truth of history, that it will be forwarded immediately to other true believers and to more Labourites – just to piss them off.

    And there you have it.

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  85. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “I’d argue that’s not as far-out crazy Shawn, but I said if you did it I’d come up with another ten. Here’s five anyway:”

    And I could do the same. Finding far-out crazy comments from the secular left is easy enough.

    The fact is that crazy folks inhabit the fringe of all groups and movements. That is just reality.

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  86. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Action against Key and Banks rejected

    Serial private prosecutor Graham McCready has had his most recent attempt to bring action against Prime Minister John Key, former MP John Banks and the police rejected by the courts.

    The retired Wellington accountant filed 16 private prosecutions against eight people including Key, Banks and Detective Inspector Mark Benefield. However, Auckland District Court judge Russell Collins said the prosecutions could not be accepted for filing due to a lack of evidence.

    “There is no evidence advanced that supports the allegation that Mr Key did any of the things required… to make him an accessory to the offence committed by Mr Banks. In those circumstances the charging document cannot be accepted for filing,” said Collins

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10362544/Action-against-Key-and-Banks-rejected

    Not surprising to see this rejected.

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  87. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Just one more Shawn, from the NRA: “Every law-abiding, blind individual should be able to have whatever guns they want”
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/08/07/dom_raso_s_nra_news_video_on_guns_for_the_blind.html

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  88. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Just for a bit of fun: From the Left-Wing Moonbat Quote-O-Matic.

    ”No matter what the greatest tyrant in the world, the greatest terrorist in the world, George W. Bush says, we’re here to tell you: Not hundreds, not thousands, but millions of the American people … support your revolution.”

    —Harry Belafonte, speaking alongside Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez

    ”Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country.”

    —Marion Barry, former mayor of Washington, D.C.

    ”When I was in England, I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and I didn’t like it. I didn’t inhale and never tried it again.”

    —Bill Clinton

    ”I think that people like the Howard Sterns, the Bill O’Reillys, and to a lesser degree the bin Ladens of the world are making a horrible contribution.”

    —Sean Penn

    ”Stand up, Chuck, let ‘em see ya.”

    —Joe Biden, to Missouri state Sen. Chuck Graham, who is in a wheelchair, Columbia, Missouri, Sept. 12, 2008

    ”I’ve now been in 57 states — I think one left to go.”

    —Barack Obama, at a campaign event in Beaverton, Oregon, May 9, 2008

    ”Now, they’re saying I groped a male staffer. Yes, I did. Not only did I grope him, I tickled him until he couldn’t breathe and four guys jumped on top of me. It was my 50th birthday.”

    —Ex-Congressman Eric Massa (D-NY), talking to Glenn Beck after resigning amid allegations that he sexually harassed his aides

    ”Why would you want to put people in charge of government who just don’t want to do it? I mean, you wouldn’t expect to see al Qaeda members as pilots.”

    —Rep. Alan Grayson (D-FL), on the prospects of Republicans taking back control of Congress, May 21, 2010

    ”They don’t call me Tyrannosaurus Sex for nothing.”

    —Ted Kennedy

    ”I actually did vote for the $87 billion, before I voted against it.”

    —Sen. John Kerry, on voting against a military funding bill for U.S. troops in Iraq, March 19, 2004

    ”What right does Congress have to go around making laws just because they deem it necessary?”

    —Marion Barry, former mayor of Washington, D.C.

    ”Don’t fear the terrorists. They’re mothers and fathers.”

    —Rosie O’Donnell

    ”I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.”

    —Hillary Clinton, on visiting Bosnia in 1996, contradicting other accounts that said there was no threat of gunfire. Clinton later said she ”misspoke.”

    ”I guess what I’m trying to say without boring you too long at breakfast — and you all look dull as hell, I might add. The dullest audience I have ever spoken to. Just sitting there, staring at me. Pretend you like me!”

    —Joe Biden, speaking to a group of Turkish-American and Azerbaijani-American donors, April 27, 2012

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  89. flipper (4,056 comments) says:

    doggone7 (718 comments) says:

    August 8th, 2014 at 11:30 am

    flipper: “…It seems to me that the problem is an inability of the Crown (notwithstanding what Rafferty argued) to prove a direct link between the assault and the actual cause of death….”

    Was there a direct link?
    ****

    That was the issue. It was suspected, but could not be established.
    The perp did commit (and pleaded guilty to) a grievous assault, and in my view deserves a tougher sentence than that given.
    Inexcusable.

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  90. Scott Chris (6,135 comments) says:

    mikenmild (10,887 comments) says:
    August 8th, 2014 at 8:01 am
    First!

    90th!

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  91. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    Article on not being ashamed to use hookers. bythe great Jim Norton.

    http://time.com/3087616/defense-johns-legalize-prostitution/

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  92. Scott Chris (6,135 comments) says:

    Yes Winkleman was too soft.

    That kind of assault warrants a conviction and punishment.

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  93. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    That’s good Shawn. How about these:

    “At The Heart Of Liberalism Really Is A Hatred For God”
    —Todd Akin

    ”Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots.”
    —Ann Coulter

    ”African-American is a bogus, PC, made-up term. I mean, that’s not a race. Your ancestry is from Africa and now you live in America.”
    —Glenn Beck

    ”We used to hustle over the border for health care we received in Canada. And I think now, isn’t that ironic?”
    —Sarah Palin,

    ”I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.”
    —Mitt Romney

    ”I wish the American media would take a great look at the views of the people in Congress and find out: Are they pro-America or anti-America?”
    —Michelle Bachmann,

    ”I’m a huge supporter of women. What I’m not is a supporter of liberalism. Feminism is what I oppose. Feminism has led women astray. I love the women’s movement — especially when walking behind it.”
    —Rush Limbaugh,

    ”I should tell my story. I’m also unemployed.”
    —Mitt Romney,

    ”I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out under another, then under another Democrat president, Jimmy Carter. I’m not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it’s an interesting coincidence.”
    —Michele Bachmann ,

    ”The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s ‘death panel.”’
    —Sarah Palin

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  94. Scott Chris (6,135 comments) says:

    longknives – was it you that said the media would turn millie into “our millie”?

    I’m with you on this one Dime. Funny how Millie seems so much more important to some sectors of the media than the meth seller whose karma caught up with him. What was his name again? Bah, who the fuck cares.

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  95. stephieboy (3,018 comments) says:

    Breaking News,

    The US President has ordered targeted air strikes against ISIS strongholds in the North of Iraq to prevent a humanitarian catastrophe and potential genocide,

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/10362462/US-orders-airstrikes-in-Iraq

    I wonder if he will deploy A10s.?

    Wonder if Putin has the guts to give back up support.

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  96. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Yup Mike, there is a couple of doozys there, though I agree with these two:

    “At The Heart Of Liberalism Really Is A Hatred For God”
    —Todd Akin

    ”Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots.”
    —Ann Coulter

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  97. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    No surprises to me Shawn that you agree with a couple of statements that are obviously wrong.

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  98. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “obviously wrong.”

    You mean wrong in your opinion.

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  99. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    ”Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots.”
    —Ann Coulter

    So, according to Coulter, every liberal who is not an American is an idiot. If he is correct, then why are all the clever ones against America?

    “Ethnic profiling is the only reasonable security measure that has been thwarted in the war on terrorism.” Ann Coulter’s “Mineta’s Bataan Death March,” 2/28/02

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  100. stephieboy (3,018 comments) says:

    Ann Coulter is obviously not a well person.!

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  101. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “So, according to Coulter, every liberal who is not an American is an idiot.”

    No, she mean all liberals, American or otherwise.

    “If he is correct, then why are all the clever ones against America?”

    Ann is a she. DUH. And there are no clever liberals. They are all very very dumb.

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  102. Gulag1917 (915 comments) says:

    How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas
    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB123275572295011847

    Hamas might still be used by Israel as agent provocateurs for outcomes friendly to Israel interests. Israel seem to have quite a number of fingers in a number of pies outside Israel in the Middle East.

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  103. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Shawn
    Liberalism is a political philosophy that has nothing specific to say about religion, except where religion may impinge on ideas of liberty and equality. I know ‘liberal’ has become a snarl word for the American RWNJs, but we could just stick to facts.

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  104. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    According to experts in our law, a teenager can display sufficient lack of empathy for the well being of another to sucker punch them out and kick them on the ground with no less expectation than GBH and yet not even be convicted for assault because this would adversely effect their future.

    Meanwhile a 22 year old can end up in court for their 3rd assault yet does not go to jail because they have a job – anyone heard of work release and keeping the public safe?

    Are these people asking to lose discretion in sentencing – because they are not fit for the task?

    So I am proposing that judges should be accountable (reviewable) for their decisions – and if demonstrably unfit to make decisions as to whether to convict those found guilty or to apply appropriate sentences they lose this responsibility. And this task is then passed on to another judge to make.

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  105. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Ugh Mike, I was hoping for more spittle flecked outrage. Liberals are no fun anymore! ;)

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  106. stephieboy (3,018 comments) says:

    What Hamas and ISIS have in common,

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sanjay-sanghoee/what-hamas-and-isis-have_b_5660020.html

    And it is not only their shared Sunni beliefs but in Gaza’s case a base to spread similar ISIS styled terror.!

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  107. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ann is a she.

    http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/c/c/coulter_adamsapple.jpg

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  108. Redbaiter (8,803 comments) says:

    “Area commander for Eastern Bay of Plenty, Inspector Kevin Taylor, said police made the decision to leave for safety reasons.”

    If they had been of any other race bar Maori the SWAT Team that so bravely raided Kim Dotcom’s house and family would have been there in an instant.

    Racists running the Police Force.

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  109. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Here’s some more fun then, Shawn:

    ”Welcome to President Bush, Mrs. Bush, and my fellow astronauts.”
    —Dan Quayle

    ”They misunderestimated me.”
    —George W. Bush

    ”Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?”
    —George W. Bush

    ”There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.”
    —George W. Bush,

    ”If God had not intended for us to eat animals, how come He made them out of meat?”
    —Sarah Palin,

    ”Well, I learned a lot….I went down to (Latin America) to find out from them and (learn) their views. You’d be surprised. They’re all individual countries”
    —Ronald Reagan

    ”We do know of certain knowledge that he [Osama Bin Laden] is either in Afghanistan, or in some other country, or dead.”
    —Donald Rumsfeld

    ”We had no domestic attacks under Bush; we’ve had one under Obama.”
    —Rudy Giuliani

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  110. big bruv (13,886 comments) says:

    I await the arrival of bedwetter to tell us all that anybody who does not think that Coulter is the greatest thing since Sarah (I can see Russia from my house) Palin is a scum sucking prog etc…

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  111. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/c/c/coulter_adamsapple.jpg”

    The words ‘political humor’ might be a bit of a giveaway there Ugly. Still, that is slightly less nutty than your reptilian lizard eye posts.

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  112. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    EAD, hilarious mate.

    If the media kept stating over and over that the greater Russia agents in Ukraine shot the plane down you would call this propaganda repeated over and over to make the people believe it and when they don’t you say it is evidence that it was never true …

    Admit it, even for a shill you are not that convincing. I doubt you believe what you post.

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  113. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    And there are no clever liberals. They are all very very dumb.

    Analyses of large representative samples, from both the United States and the United Kingdom, confirm this prediction. In both countries, more intelligent children are more likely to grow up to be liberals than less intelligent children. For example, among the American sample, those who identify themselves as “very liberal” in early adulthood have a mean childhood IQ of 106.4, whereas those who identify themselves as “very conservative” in early adulthood have a mean childhood IQ of 94.8.

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201003/why-liberals-are-more-intelligent-conservatives

    Higher intelligence is associated with liberal political ideology, atheism, and men’s (but not women’s) preference for sexual exclusivity. More intelligent people are statistically more likely to exhibit social values and religious and political preferences that are novel to human evolution. Specifically, liberalism and atheism, and for men (but not women), preference for sexual exclusivity correlate with higher intelligence, a new study finds.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100224132655.htm

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  114. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The words ‘political humor’ might be a bit of a giveaway there Ugly.

    http://larryflynt.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2008/10/0809_anncoulter.jpg

    I’d say it’s the bulge under the skirt that’s the giveaway.

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  115. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    More hilarious Liberal quotes

    Al Gore: “During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.”

    Helen Thomas: Jews should “get the hell out of Palestine” and “go home” to Germany and Poland.

    Bill Clinton on ordinary Americans: “African Americans watch the same news at night that ordinary Americans do.”

    Barack Obama on a tornado that killed twelve people: “In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died – an entire town destroyed”

    Joe Biden on the economy: “The number one job facing the middle class, and it happens to be, as Barack says, a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S.”

    Michael Moore on terrorism: “There is no terrorist threat. Yes, there have been horrific acts of terrorism and, yes, there will be acts of terrorism again. But that doesn’t mean that there’s some kind of massive terrorist threat.”

    California Senator Barbara Boxer: “Those who survived the San Francisco earthquake said, ‘Thank God, I’m still alive.’ But, of course, those who died, their lives will never be the same again.”

    Wesley Bolin, former governor of Arizona: “We’d like to avoid problems, because when we have problems, we can have troubles.”

    Senator Chris Dodd, while on the campaign trail: “Eight more days and I can start telling the truth again”

    Jerry Brown, former governor of California, and current candidate for the same position: “The conventional viewpoint says we need a jobs program and we need to cut welfare. Just the opposite! We need more welfare and fewer jobs.”

    Marion Barry, former mayor of Washington, DC: “I am clearly more popular than Reagan. I am in my third term. Where’s Reagan? Gone after two! Defeated by George Bush and Michael Dukakis no less.”

    Al Gore on zoology: “A zebra does not change its spots.”

    John Kerry on health care: “I’m going to be honest with you — I don’t know a lot about Cuba’s healthcare system. Is it a government-run system?”

    Congresswoman Maxine Waters on socialism: “Guess what this liberal would be all about? This liberal will be about socializing…uh, um…Would be about, basically, taking over, and the government running all of your companies.

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  116. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    The concept of humor just does not have a place in your mind, does it Ugly?

    If that’s not a mental health issue, what is?

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  117. Longknives (4,740 comments) says:

    “longknives – was it you that said the media would turn millie into “our millie”?”

    Dime- ‘Our Millie’ is the new Anna Guy!!
    A TV/media career pontificating to us how we should live our lives is an inevitability…

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  118. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    So intelligent men want monogamy and intelligent women do not.

    As liberals they presumably compromise via his commitment and her don’t ask don’t tell policy.

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  119. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The concept of humor just does not have a place in your mind, does it Ugly?

    I dunno, the fact that you think that Ann Coulter is a woman is kind of amusing.

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  120. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Oh dear Ugly, you are really not well in the head.

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  121. Scott Chris (6,135 comments) says:

    Crikey Ugly, of all your conspiracy theories, perhaps the one that Ann Coulter is really a man holds the most water. :)

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  122. Gulag1917 (915 comments) says:

    The angels
    http://www.whale.to/b/mossad_black_ops.html

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  123. big bruv (13,886 comments) says:

    Coulter is an idiot, of that there is no doubt. Anybody who passionately believes that the world was created in six days and is only 6000 years old is not playing with a full deck.

    However, she could never be described as a man.

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  124. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    However, she could never be described as a man.

    What does this skirt say to you, BB?

    http://larryflynt.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2008/10/0809_anncoulter.jpg

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  125. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ big bruv (13,369 comments) says:
    August 8th, 2014 at 3:53 pm

    Ah but you see when you are god, you can make the days as long as you like … therefore six days can be a very long time.

    Which I quite believe, because the last church service I attended was only an hour long, but it seemed like 200. My grandson, who goes to a catholic school tells me God made the dinosaurs on the fifth day and us on the sixth – so I told him yeah, and he took the seventh day off to hit the booze and came back on the eighth and destroyed the dinosaurs – I’m not allowed to talk about religion with him any more.

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  126. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “What does this skirt say to you, BB?”

    I’ll answer. It says two things to me. One, she has great legs. Two, your even more of a moron than I thought.

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  127. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    In which Johnny Depp plays John Key and Kim Dotcom (as Augustus Gloop, the great big greedy nincompoop) falls into the chocolate river, to eventually be extradited to the room where they make strawberry flavoured chocolate coated fudge.

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  128. big bruv (13,886 comments) says:

    Judith

    You must talk to the young man. Somebody needs to clear the poison from the kids mind.

    When you do speak with him next ask him this question. If “God” was so great as to create Dinosaurs and all other living things then why is it that 99.8% of all the species that ever walked, crawled, flew or swam on the face of this earth are now extinct?

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  129. big bruv (13,886 comments) says:

    ShawnLH

    The way you talk about Coulter I am starting to think that there is a chance you might commit a sin with her if given the chance.

    You really are going up in my estimations.

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  130. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “If “God” was so great as to create Dinosaurs and all other living things then why is it that 99.8% of all the species that ever walked, crawled, flew or swam on the face of this earth are now extinct?”

    You’re assuming that evolution and natural selection is not part of God’s plan.

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  131. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “You really are going up in my estimations.”

    Thank you! Sadly I think I will drop again with my last post. ;)

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  132. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    I’ll answer. It says two things to me. One, she has great legs. Two, your even more of a moron than I thought.

    Calling someone a moron doesn’t have much of a sting when after they’ve caught you contradicating yourself, Shawn.

    http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/07/06/michelle-obama-transexual/

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  133. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ big bruv (13,370 comments) says:
    August 8th, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    I have to admit, I am quite horrified at the crap the kid has been exposed to in half a year, but his parents did have much choice, the local public school is pretty rough. But as long as I’m around, I doubt he’ll be indoctrinated. Hopefully I provide enough balance for him – he’s already showing promise – he spent two afternoons last week in the principal’s office for asking difficult questions! He’s bright enough for the time out not to effect his learning, thank goodness, because I suspect its going to become a regularly occurrence.

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  134. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (3,870 comments) says:
    August 8th, 2014 at 4:28 pm

    Yeah, cos going to all that bother to create something and then destroy it, are signs of a balanced and rational mind.

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  135. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Speaking of the Bible. :)

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  136. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    If God’s intention was to create beings capable of choosing good or evil, then it follows that God allows a degree of freedom in the evolution of the universe. If God can be sovereign and, somehow, also allow people to have free will, then he can also be sovereign and allow nature to take its course.

    http://www.godofevolution.com/is-theistic-evolution-incoherent/#more-1851

    This web site is a useful resource for thinking Christians who oppose ‘Young Earth Creationism.’

    http://www.godofevolution.com

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  137. Griff (7,686 comments) says:

    You have to point out to the conservatives that they are obviously so smart
    They believe in a 2000 year old myth made up by a bunch of goat herders.
    The main point is apparently a god made up of three parts one of whom being immortal came to earth and died.
    He then didn’t die just went home to the other 2/3rds .
    This apparent undeath is suppose to mean they can sin indiscriminately as long as they love him because the 1/3 of the dead immortal god died for them yet he didn’t actually die being an immortal god.
    The three parts of their god who is the only god and only 1/3 dead yet wholly undead waiting for them in haven actually loves every one even including the baby’s he’s killed, the kids fornicators and sinners he caused to be stoned to death and all the living things he’s drowned.

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  138. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Oh and speaking of new films, Max is back!

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  139. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    “What does this skirt say to you, BB?”

    It says “Don’t look at my Adam’s Apple!”

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  140. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Ah Griff, never afraid to use caricatures! :)

    Did love the “three parts of God” though. Good for a laugh.

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  141. Gulag1917 (915 comments) says:

    Griff – read the Bible from cover to cover or just cherry picked stuff?

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  142. Fletch (6,372 comments) says:

    Ugly, if Ann Coulter is a man, then so is Michelle Obama ;)

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  143. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    “Secretary Panetta, thank you for your introduction and for your extraordinary leadership. Members of Congress, Vice President Biden, members of the Joint Chiefs, service secretaries, distinguished guests, and men and women of the finest military in the world. Most of all, Admiral Mullen, Deborah, Michael and I also want to also acknowledge your son Jack, who’s deployed today. All of you have performed extraordinary service to our country.”

    Admiral Mullen’s first name is Michael. However, throughout his speech, Obama referred to Mullen as “Mike,” not Michael.

    (Deborah is Admiral Mullen’s wife.)

    http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/03/14/michelle-obama-is-a-transexual/

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  144. kowtow (8,443 comments) says:

    Gaza ceasefire barely over and hamas fires rockets into Israel.

    Will there be marches by the loony left and proPallies demanding they stop?

    Corse not.

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  145. big bruv (13,886 comments) says:

    So anyway…..

    It’s been over a week now and every evening I have patiently waited for Mr Plod to knock on my door armed with an arrest warrant. So prepared am I that I have taped on the wall next to the front door a list of lawyers and their contact details. I even went to the trouble of packing an overnight bag complete with new toothbrush.

    I was told that my arrest was imminent, I was told that “my day would come” and yet here I am, still at large.

    What does all this mean????

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  146. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    What does all this mean?

    That you have still got time to serve them with a tresspass notice.

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  147. Manolo (13,753 comments) says:

    Another savage on the loose: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8888102/woman-60-sexually-assaulted-at-falls

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  148. Longknives (4,740 comments) says:

    I blame Colonialism Manolo…

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  149. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    TV3 to include Colin Craig in minor party leaders’ debate

    TV3 has opted to include Colin Craig in the minor leaders debate, rather than hold no debate at all.

    The Conservative Party leader took his case to the High Court, and has this afternoon been granted an interim injunction against the media organisation.

    At court, TV3 initially opted to go ahead with no debate, rather be forced to include the politician.

    But it’s now changed its mind, and Mr Craig will join tomorrow’s debate.

    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/68424241-court-battle-underway-over-tv-election-debate

    Good on Craig for pushing for the right to be included.

    Too often media organisations get away with arranging what suits them rather than what is best for fair democracy.

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  150. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    The worst thing about science education in America is when you forget your text book and have to use the King James version instead.

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  151. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Pete, bollocks, what about every other party currently outside parliament contesting the election – not being there also diminishes their chances of winning votes too.

    The only difference Craig can buy his way in via court action and a dumb fuck at court thinks that then buys them special rights unavailable to others who cannot afford the same.

    He will be attending tomorrow only because he has money to buy “influence”. Nothing democratic about it.

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  152. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    SPC – I think Conservatives earned their right at the last election and in the polls, doing better than parties included in the debate. Sure other parties could also be considered but I think that would have to be at a different level.

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  153. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    I was told that my arrest was imminent, I was told that “my day would come” and yet here I am, still at large.

    If you caused a real injury then it would be better to attempt to provide a remedy for it before the state is involved.
    It could well be that their warrant is a fiction, especially if you pose no risk to the public.

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  154. Odakyu-sen (646 comments) says:

    “Good on Craig for pushing for the right to be included.”

    +1

    Hang in there, Conservatives.

    (I’m rooting for the underdog this time around.)

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  155. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “I was told that my arrest was imminent, I was told that “my day would come” and yet here I am, still at large.

    What does all this mean????”

    There are three possibilities.

    1. D4J was and is full of shite.

    2. D4J is not playing with a full deck.

    3. Both of the above.

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  156. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    ….”Good on Craig for pushing for the right to be included.”…..

    And in unrelated news, light blue T shirts printed with a photo of Charles Manson are selling in record numbers. :)

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  157. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Oh and BB, I would not be overly inclined to take legal advice from Ugly.

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  158. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    The rich man set on buying his way into parliament is no underdog.

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  159. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Strictly speaking you can’t buy your way into Parliament. People still have to vote you.

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  160. stigie (1,173 comments) says:

    ” I even went to the trouble of packing an overnight bag complete with new toothbrush.”

    Hope all goes well BB, but what it means is someone telling porkies again !~

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  161. Longknives (4,740 comments) says:

    Bruv- Has someone threatened you with Court action??

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  162. Odakyu-sen (646 comments) says:

    “The rich man set on buying his way into parliament is no underdog.”

    Oh stop beating up on poor old Kim Dotcom….!

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  163. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    SPC

    $31.71 each vote it cost him in 2011. Should be possible to work out an estimated cost per parliamentary seat.

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  164. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    TV1 what a laugh ,the cops, the widow and her husbands body, all i can say WHIMPY COPS should stick to planting evidence, rooting young girls and giving out traffic tickets, what other use are they good for,and being party poopers making up law in the pig pen,

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  165. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Sheesh lurcher, got a bit of an issue with the Police?

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  166. Longknives (4,740 comments) says:

    As I said on another thread- Perhaps you may feel more at home over on the Standard Lurcher?

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  167. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    kowtow says at 5:14 pm

    “Gaza ceasefire barely over and hamas fires rockets into Israel.”

    That is the fifth time they have broken a cease fire.
    Like their Western backers and enablers, a bunch of untrustworthy lying scum.
    Not a word on TV1, TV3 or in the Herald online.
    Still wondering who the media is rooting for…..?

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  168. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    Is D4J the one that was going to win $100K when the Crusaders won the Super title?

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  169. kowtow (8,443 comments) says:

    Ah the case of the widow’s hubby.

    On the news we hear a voice say to the police man at the cemetary “you’ll have to put a bullet through my head to get in here bro” or words to that effect.

    Fuck ,where’s Inspector Harry Callahan when you need him?

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  170. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Apparently, if he bothers, Lurcher is voting for DotCon.

    That might explain his hatred for the police.

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  171. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    You’ve got to cut Lurcher a bit of slack on this one. The Police do all they can, through prosecutions & lobbying parliament, to prevent people from defending themselves. “Trust us….were’re there to protect you” is their answer to a not totally convinced citizenry.

    Today they showed us what they do rather than what they say.

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  172. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Odakyu-sen, KDC is buying help with securing permanency to his residency status, not unlike Liu et al. It’s not parliament he is seeking to access.

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  173. Longknives (4,740 comments) says:

    What did the Coppers do wrong today Nasska? (I have missed most the news)
    *I also noted Flipper banging on about them being the ‘worst gang in New Zealand’ over on another thread…

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  174. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “Odakyu-sen, KDC is buying help with securing permanency to his residency status, not unlike Liu et al. It’s not parliament he is seeking to access.”

    What is the IP then? He is trying to get into Parliament, through his proxy Laila.

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  175. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    Where are the cops when you need them,i know 6 ks down the highway operating a speed camera,Shawn a choice between dunny or teletubby decisions,really tired of boss hog,maybe a cat is runnning if not some wacko labour or national trooper,whats the standard? i thought i was it on this blog.

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  176. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    Longknives

    Ref: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10360702/James-Takamores-body-recovery-halted

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  177. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “You’ve got to cut Lurcher a bit of slack on this one.”

    The police are not perfect by any means, but the rhetoric from Lurcher and Flipper (the names speak volumes) seems seriously divorced from reality.

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  178. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Pete George (22,947 comments) says:
    August 8th, 2014 at 5:55 pm

    The debate is for the minor parties who have been in parliament during the last three years. Now what part of that description applies to the Conservatives? I realise Craig is a bit doolally (well a lot doolally really) but there is no way he can be that stupid that he thinks that description applies to him. There is another debate planned for all the small parties and he will be invited to that – I’m beginning to think Craig just likes mass debating – and trying to find excuses to do it.

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  179. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “Where are the cops when you need them,i know 6 ks down the highway operating a speed camera,Shawn a choice between dunny or teletubby decisions,really tired of boss hog,maybe a cat is runnning if not some wacko labour or national trooper,whats the standard? i thought i was it on this blog.”

    Exhibit A in my contention that Lurcher is not playing with a full deck. Most of that was indecipherable.

    Cats? Boss Hog? Teletubbies?

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  180. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    If you’re standing for election, and especially if you’re an underdog, you have to fight for every opportunity you can get, otherwise you’ll be left out. You take whatever you can get.

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  181. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (3,884 comments) says:
    August 8th, 2014 at 6:56 pm

    Instead of constantly attacking the poster – why don’t you offer some discussion to disprove his assertions – you know, like real grown ups do!!

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  182. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Shawn, KDC is simply seeking to aid the defeat of the National government that he perceives as beholden to the Hollywood industry censorship of the internet agenda – and related attempt at extradition.

    The IMP presence in parliament could and would only be delivering confidence and supply votes to a Labour led government.

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  183. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Pete George (22,948 comments) says:
    August 8th, 2014 at 6:57 pm

    Yeah, but I think Craig has just made himself look even stupider with this – wanting to ‘buy himself’ special attention, when he doesn’t meet the criteria is not going to endear him to many voters. It comes across as if he thinks he is ‘special’.

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  184. big bruv (13,886 comments) says:

    Longknives

    “Bruv- Has someone threatened you with Court action??”

    Yes indeed, it was my very own stalker.

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  185. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “Instead of constantly attacking the poster – why don’t you offer some discussion to disprove his assertions”

    What assertions? If you can discern any assertions in that post, or any coherent statement at all, I would be impressed.

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  186. Longknives (4,740 comments) says:

    Bruv- Dont lose too much sleep! Philu threatened me with a Summons a couple of years ago after I called him a loser pothead or something and I’m still waiting…(Things clearly move very,very slowly in the Stoner World..)

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  187. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    http://www.thecactusland.com/2014/08/what-if-children-dying-in-gaza-were-jews.html

    Assume for a moment that instead of Palestinians, over 1.8 million Jews were crammed into the 11 mile Gaza strip and the state of Palestine, subsidized and supported by a superpower, was administering the calories to the Jews in Gaza, keeping them to a limit of 2,300 a day.

    Imagine that instead of Palestinian children, it was Jewish children living under a Palestinian embargo that denied them toys, books, music and until a few years ago, even pasta. How do you think the world would react? Imagine if it were Palestinian commandos who had assaulted a peaceful cargo ship attempting to break the embargo to bring supplies to Jews in Gaza, killing nine, including one American. Do you think 85 US Senators would have signed a letter supporting the embargo on Gaza and the deadly attack on the cargo ship if that ship had been on a humanatarian mission to help Jews in Gaza?

    NBC correspondent Ayman Mohyeldin reported first hand the death of four boys playing on the beach in Gaza. “The attack – and its heartrending aftermath – was witnessed by NBC News. Moments earlier, the boys were playing soccer with journalists on the beach. The four victims were named as Ahed Atef Bakr and Zakaria Ahed Bakr, both 10 years old, Mohamed Ramez Bakr, 11, and Ismael Mohamed Bakr, 9.” Ayman Mohyeldin, who is Egyptian-American, was later ordered by NBC to leave Gaza.

    Glenn Greenwald reported that, “numerous NBC employees, including some of the network’s highest-profile stars, were…indignant,” and that Mohyeldin had been removed from Gaza allegedly due to pressure from Neo-con quarters which claimed Mohyeldin had been soft on Hamas.

    It’s almost impossible to imagine that Mohyeldin would have been replaced if he had been reporting on the death of four Jewish youngsters at the hands of a Palestinian gunboat. What we see repeatedly in Gaza is how the media values Palestinian lives differently than Israeli ones….

    http://globalvoicesonline.org/2014/08/03/israeli-army-whistle-blower-leaks-account-of-revenge-attacks-against-civilians-by-israeli-troops-in-gazas-shujaiyya/#

    http://presstv.com/detail/2014/08/06/374269/israels-gaza-invasion-defeated-poll/

    I keep telling you. Israel’s leaders always act against the best interests of their own people, and most of you useful idiots are too profoundly wrapped up in the holocaust propaganda to recognise it. Shame. On you. For authorising state-sponsored murder.

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  188. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “Dont lose too much sleep! Philu threatened me with a Summons a couple of years ago after I called him a loser pothead”

    He was always admitting that he smoked pot, so he could hardly complain about someone saying that.

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  189. big bruv (13,886 comments) says:

    Longknives

    So what you are saying is that I can put the overnight bag away? :)

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  190. Griff (7,686 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/10364347/Police-investigate-students-for-filming-up-teachers-skirts

    From the so smart I am a catholic file.

    Police are investigating five year 9 boys from a prestigious Catholic boys’ college on Sydney’s northern beaches who shared sexual images of two female teachers on Facebook.

    The boys, from St Augustine’s College at Brookvale, used iPhones to photograph and video up the skirts of the two teachers and then shared the images on a specially created thread on Facebook.

    The boys were suspended from the school, while another five boys who followed the Facebook thread have been “disciplined”.

    It is understood the offenders have had “re-enrolment” interviews and have returned to the school.

    Fairfax Media has been told that the boys had been capturing the images for several months.

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  191. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    ” wrapped up in the holocaust propaganda”

    Nazi.

    “Shame. On you. For authorising state-sponsored murder.”

    Shame on you for being a Jew hating terrorist supporter.

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  192. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    big bruv (13,374 comments) says:
    August 8th, 2014 at 7:07 pm

    So what you are saying is that I can put the overnight bag away?

    Were you planning on eloping with him?

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  193. Nostalgia-NZ (5,195 comments) says:

    I think Colin Craig had valid arguments to be part of the debate, not least that his party was polling higher than some of the participant parties and that the ACT was involved despite not having an MP – part of the criteria according to TV3. TV3 also came up with some stupid arguments about seating, wide shots etc that showed poor reasoning. It’s been a big week for The Conservatives, in particular their landing of several heavy blows on ACT, taking ACT on in Epsom and now having TV3 forced to bend over. May not be the most prudent thing to do, attacking the other far right party, but it looks like Craig has gathered some momentum and caught ACT by surprise. JK will be watching satisfied that he maintained he wasn’t ruling out the Conservatives for post election talks.

    The early clues that CC has stolen ACT initiatives from the past look to be confirmed. Have to have a sneaking suspicion that Boscowan might be playing a hand in that. The question remains if a fight between the far right going to result in more Parliamentary seats because the gloves are off now and there is no way back.

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  194. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    Look at the upside Griff…..even after being sodomised senseless by the priests they still retained an interest in girls. :)

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  195. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    “when he doesn’t meet the criteria”

    Debate criteria is what media try to dictate to suit their perception on entertainment value, it is not based on democratic fairness.

    It was funny on 3 News tonight, Patrick Gower talked about TV3’s double back flip – they first said there would be no debate at all, then flipped to include Craig.

    Paddy sounded more concerned about whether Winston Peters would still take part. All they needed to do was give Peters the opportunity and let him decide for himself.

    Had Peters tried to keep Craig out the debate?

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  196. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Actually I haven’t seen D4J on KB recently. I think getting caught out lying about the money he claimed to win might have had something to do with it.

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  197. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Most Arab and Islamic scholars consider Arabs in general and the Prophet Mohamed in particular to be direct descendants of Ishmael, Abraham’s first son and older half-brother of Isaac, whose son Jacob was later to become known as “Israel.” Many Arabs believe that through Ishmael they are co-heirs of to Abraham’s promise, and they correctly believe that present-day Israelis have no Biblical right to steal their land. Jewish Talmudic folklore also speaks of Ishmael, so the Zionists apparently felt they had to alter how Christians viewed the two half brothers in order to prevent Christians from siding with the Arabs over the land theft.

    The Zionists solved this dilemma by inserting a senseless footnote in the 1967 (Oxford) Scofield Reference Bible which, in effect, substitutes the word “Jews” for the words “The Israelitish people and Ishmaelitish people,” as Scofield originally wrote it.

    http://www.rense.com/general60/zcre.htm

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  198. big bruv (13,886 comments) says:

    ShawnLH

    You mean he was not telling the truth about the money he won on the footy?????

    Judith.

    That is certainly not my idea of a good night out. Although to be fair he often said he could not wait to meet me so who knows what he wanted. My overnight bag was for my impending arrest and resulting night in the cells.

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  199. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “Had Peters tried to keep Craig out the debate?”

    I think Peters is scared of Craig, given the similarities in their parties policies. Well that and Peters’ monumentally epic vanity.

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  200. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “You mean he was not telling the truth about the money he won on the footy?????”

    I’m going to go out on a limb and say no. :)

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  201. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Given his level of almost psychotic rage you might want to keep a hitty stick by your door BB.

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  202. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Debate criteria is what media try to dictate to suit their perception on entertainment value, it is not based on democratic fairness.

    No, they base their criteria on their political leanings. This is because many political journalists do it for their cause. They hide behind their profession’s reputation of being neutral but they often go into the profession simply to push their cause. Let’s face it. Most people in TVNZ’s newsroom would never have employed Hoskings. How he was is a mystery. But I wouldn’t be surprised if Joyce had certain words in certain people’s ears.

    How else do you explain years and decades of lefty after lefty after bimbo after lefty after screeching lefty being appointed to front all of TVNZ’s programs until this outlier of an appointment, coming as it did with a curiously coincidental scandal of a certain someone booking meeting rooms for his fav?

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  203. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The Scofield Reference Bible and its several clones is all but worshiped in the ranks of celebrity Christians, beginning with the first media icon, evangelist Billy Graham. Of particular importance to the Zionist penetration of American Christian churches has been the fast growth of national bible study organizations, such as Bible Study Fellowship and Precept Ministries. These draw millions of students from not only evangelical fundamentalist churches, but also from Catholic and mainline Protestant churches and non-church contacts. These invariably teach forms of “dispensationalism,” which draw their theory, to various degrees, from the notes in the Oxford Bible.

    Among more traditional churches that encourage, and in some cases recommend, the use of the Scofield Reference Bible is the huge Southern Baptist Convention of America, whose capture is World Zionism’s crowning achievement.

    http://www.rense.com/general60/zcre.htm

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  204. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Ugly, you have claimed that Palestinians are often descendants of Jews as the DNA shows this. There is a northern Semite DNA Y chromosome marker that many have in common with Jews of Israel. It goes back to about 2000BCE. It indicates descent from Jews and or “Ishmael”.

    However this northern DNA Y chromosome marker is found mostly in Palestine, Lebanon and Syria amongst those speaking Arabic and thus known as Arabs – but for the rest of the Arab world it is not there. There is an entirely separate southern Semite or Arab of Arabia DNA (now more widespread because of the spread of Islam by Arab armies). This southern DNA separated from the northern about 5000BCE.

    So there is no indication that Arab DNA itself is from Ishmael.

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  205. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    @Reid

    “Imagine that instead of Palestinian children, it was Jewish children living under a Palestinian embargo that denied them toys, books, music and until a few years ago, even pasta. How do you think the world would react? Imagine if it were Palestinian commandos who had assaulted a peaceful cargo ship attempting to break the embargo to bring supplies to Jews in Gaza, killing nine, including one American. ”

    Do you actually believe that sh!t?

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  206. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    The Zionists solved this dilemma by inserting a senseless footnote in the 1967 (Oxford) Scofield Reference Bible

    The Scofield UT is also the reason why the yanks are so very fascinated with: ta da – “the rapture.” That’s an interesting addition you mention. The evidence that zionists are satanic is adding up, isn’t it. Shame most are too blind or too stupid to understand what they’re looking at, isn’t it.

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  207. big bruv (13,886 comments) says:

    ShawnLH

    But that would mean that one would have to doubt every single thing that the man has ever said on this blog?

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  208. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    However this northern DNA Y chromosome marker is found mostly in Palestine, Lebanon and Syria amongst those speaking Arabic and thus known as Arabs – but for the rest of the Arab world it is not there.

    Is there any reason to argue that no Arabs are part of the group of people who have the northern DNA Y chromosome marker?

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  209. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Do you actually believe that sh!t?

    What do you mean, do I actually believe it, OA? It’s a conjecture, a hypothesis, a hypothetical situation.

    And it’s not presenting you with a statement of fact, duh, it’s asking you, if what really did happen to one group of people actually in fact happened to another group of people, then what would you guys have thought about it?

    Crikey mate.

    I know the whole subject makes you useful idiots terribly emotional but surely it doesn’t incapacitate your vocabulary in addition to your perspicacity, does it?

    Or does it?

    Apparently, it does.

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  210. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “The evidence that zionists are satanic is adding up, isn’t it. ”

    No. The evidence that your a gnostic, Nazi Jew hater is adding up.

    I trawled the web trying to find any evidence of your claim about Jews desecrating their own graves. Dozens of Google pages and I could find one and one only web site making this claim.

    It was these guys: http://www.stormfront.org/

    Shame on you Reid. Hope you like the feel of flames. You’re going straight to hell.

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  211. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    BB,

    He never struck me as being overly reliable in his claims. Just sayin…..

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  212. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth, what Zionists are you referring to? And how did they make the decision as to footnotes in a reference bible?

    Unsurprisingly Reid just immediately believes a claim about Zionists doing something nefarious, without giving the issue of evidence a thought.

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  213. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “And how did they make the decision as to footnotes in a reference bible?”

    They didn’t. I’m familiar with the Schofield Bible and it’s history, and this claim is total crap. But then it comes from rense.com which is a Jew hating conspiracy web site. Not reliable.

    “Unsurprisingly Reid just immediately believes a claim about Zionists doing something nefarious, without giving the issue of evidence a thought.”

    Reid does not believe in evidence. It gets in the way of his mindless, unthinking hatred.

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  214. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    Reid (16,022 comments) says:

    “What do you mean, do I actually believe it, OA? It’s a conjecture, a hypothesis, a hypothetical situation.”

    I spell it out for you in two simple easy to understand, even for you, sentences:

    1. Do you believe that “toys, books, music and until a few years ago, even pasta‘ was on the list of controlled items to the Gaza Strip?
    2, Do you believe that ‘Israeli commandos assaulted a peaceful cargo ship attempting to break the embargo to bring supplies to Gaza’?

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  215. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    ….”Shame on you Reid. Hope you like the feel of flames. You’re going straight to hell.”….

    The devil waved his mighty arm & in a flash Reid found himself in another cavern where a large group of demon warriors—armed with swords & spears of fire—were chasing a lone figure.

    “Heya, Shawn,” shouted a gleeful Reid.

    Shawn was too busy to respond. He tried desperately to get away but the warriors quickly closed ground and savagely attacked, hacking the defenceless Shawn to pieces.

    Reid looked on in horror as Shawn’s corpse suddenly reanimated. His former blog adversary sprung to life & quickly took off running again with the hellish hoard in hot pursuit.

    To be continued…….

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  216. Don the Kiwi (1,750 comments) says:

    “Shame on you Reid. Hope you like the feel of flames. You’re going straight to hell.”

    Back off Shaun.

    There’s no need for that sort of crap here – its not your call.

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  217. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Shawn you’re a great test of the Christian spirit. You’re so like the Pharisees of Jesus time it’s uncanny. In the flawed instantiation of me which is my life here in the School that is Earth, you’re the equivalent to me of the crash-test dummy (in showing me what to avoid) and the punching bag (in tempting me to break my sacred duty, which is to love you).

    Thank you, my brother, and my teacher.

    Blessings.

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  218. dad4justice (8,214 comments) says:

    What an enjoyable week I have just had. Swimming with tropical fish and soaking up the sun. Come back to this cold shit hole and find Shawny gal the false conservative, bigot blouse hallucinating again and their tic club of cowards and narcissists working hard to distort our reality to make their reality feel safer. I think I’ll go spend some more of my winnings and forget this cess pit of backstabbers. What sad lives you creeps must have.

    Edit – Shawny – go see a psychiatrist you nut-bar! Ask bb if you can access her one.

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  219. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Ugly, are you searching for the truth or a propaganda line that serves a purpose?

    The fact is, once you define Arab as someone who speaks Arabic and lives amongst others who speak Arabic, the term has no meaning as per ancestry.

    Your problem in claiming that

    many Palestinian Arabs and Jews of Israel have ancestry in common
    those Arabs with northern Semite DNA might be descendants of Ishmael

    The two groups overlap – and amongst those without Jewish identity which ancestry is it? Are Palestinians descendants of Ishmael and not Jews of Israel?

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  220. Scott Chris (6,135 comments) says:

    Lurcher’s post in poetic format:

    TV1 what…. a LAugH ,the COPS the widow and her huuuusbands body,

    all i can say WHIMPY COPS should stick to planting evidence,
    rooting young girls and giving
    out
    traffic tickets,
    what other use are they good for,
    and being party:

    poopers

    MAKIN UP LAW IN THE PIG PEN

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  221. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “There’s no need for that sort of crap here – its not your call.”

    There is no need for the rest of us to be subjected to mountains of Nazi propaganda from batshit craxy conspiracy web sites and claims about Jews desecrating their own graves to whip up sympathy either.

    It is my call as a Christian to warn someone in my church that they are headed in a very bad direction.

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  222. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The evidence that zionists are satanic is adding up, isn’t it.

    Let’s see… “synagogue of satan” from the book of Revelation, Rabbi Moshe Teitelbaum’s view that “the Satan succeeded and the state was founded in Eretz Yisroel, the occult symbolism of the Supreme Court of Israel, the link to the Edomites via the Rothschilds, and the Nazi connection. Any thing else spring to mind?

    Shame most are too blind or too stupid to understand what they’re looking at, isn’t it.

    I’d go with insane like a psychopath rather than stupid. People can suffer from the inability to understand and still be socially functional.
    I once saw a video called “the corporation” which described the corporate psychology as being something much like that of a psychopath – rational and pragmatic but without empathy or vision.

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  223. dad4justice (8,214 comments) says:

    “It is my call as a Christian ”

    You’re no Christian you’re a backstabbing lying creep. You’re just another bb tic club alias. Go to hell you sick head case. All you can do is pollute this blog with insane crap.

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  224. big bruv (13,886 comments) says:

    And as if by magic!!!!!

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  225. Southern Raider (1,829 comments) says:

    Just seen some screen shots of David Shearers Facebook page which is full of comments that are full on anti-Semitic

    Yet he doesn’t seem to moderate this or care. And he wants to be the new PM

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  226. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Well, might as well watch some telly. There is only so much Nazi trash any sane person can wade through without puking.

    Night all.

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  227. big bruv (13,886 comments) says:

    D4J

    If you donated $100K to your church, and, also claim to have been away in the tropics (and only magically re-emerge tonight) all on the back of your “winnings” the obvious question must be this.

    Why the hell did you ever bother working demolition if you were so obviously a gambling genius?

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  228. dad4justice (8,214 comments) says:

    Hey Shawny girl enjoy backstabbing another Christian in his absence did ya? Rot in hell you sick unit.

    bigot blouse fuck up and post the alleged emails you lying scumbag! Never in my life have I encountered someone so fixated with myself. You missed me so you backstabbed me.Man you are one fucked up head case. Have you got a D4J voodoo doll in your cab? Please put another pin in it you mental case.

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  229. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Hi Don
    Great story yesterday about the Mustang purchase. Cheap price! I reckon in the car world there’s only two degrees of separation.
    Cheers

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  230. Andrei (2,641 comments) says:

    For Shawn 6 years ago today

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  231. big bruv (13,886 comments) says:

    Come on D4J, tell us all how you managed to fund your new life via gambling. You really must be doing well.

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  232. dad4justice (8,214 comments) says:

    Hey Nostradumus got anything to say about bigot blouse and Shawny girls pathological obsession with me ? Cowardly gutter snakes.

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  233. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ugly, are you searching for the truth or a propaganda line that serves a purpose?

    I like to think that I’m being idealistic about the issues, but I’m not really in a position to judge my own behaviour.

    The fact is, once you define Arab as someone who speaks Arabic and lives amongst others who speak Arabic, the term has no meaning as per ancestry.

    Right.

    Your problem in claiming that many Palestinian Arabs and Jews of Israel have ancestry in common

    I don’t see that as a problem when there is scientific support for the idea, but of course you are relying on any assumptions made by the researchers.

    those Arabs with northern Semite DNA might be descendants of Ishmael

    Sure, I think that’s the simplest explanation. The Semitic languages seem to be divided into a northern and southern group.

    The two groups overlap – and amongst those without Jewish identity which ancestry is it?

    Hard to say for sure.

    Are Palestinians descendants of Ishmael and not Jews of Israel?

    I don’t know. They could be descendant of the Khazars who converted from Judaism to Islam.

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  234. Nookin (3,341 comments) says:

    If D4J has been on holiday on his winnings, he must have bet against the Crusaders. No true Cantab would ever do that. Must be of Jaffa origin.

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  235. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Ugly, so you think the use of the term synagogue of satan in the bible written 2000 years ago and a Jew of the past 100 years who calls Zionism a satanic work proves the two are connected?

    And how do the Rothschild link to something else via the Edomites and to what – are these imaginary connections coded like them those people those people them in the brain of those who understand the code being used.

    A code known to four groups of people who hold that

    1. the Jewish nation is bad and they should self sacrifice and become Christian
    2. The Jewish nation is bad and they should self sacrifice and become Moslem
    3. The Jewish nation is bad and they should self sacrifice and just accept being an ethnic people or religion within a wider world.
    4. The Jewish peoples nationalism is hated by others so they cause division by their existence and thus the world is better off without it.

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  236. dad4justice (8,214 comments) says:

    Calling Nostradumus, come in know it all, anything to say about Shawny gals and bigot blouses pathological obsession with me???

    Nookin born in Takapuna hospital but never made any money backing an Auckland rugby team. Just look at the disturbed depressed coach the Blues had this year. No wonder they’re called the “Blues”. As for Wellington everybody knows that the “Canes” are backside loser boys.

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  237. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Wow this place is so full of sinners tonight. Some going straight to hell, some I presume taking the alternative route (whatever that is), and all the rest spreading the love … oh wait a minute, forget that last bit – certainly no love here – nah – looks like the destination is going to be the same for all of you – its only the route that will vary! :-)

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  238. Nookin (3,341 comments) says:

    QED

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  239. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    There is no need for the rest of us to be subjected to mountains of Nazi propaganda from batshit craxy conspiracy web sites and claims about Jews desecrating their own graves to whip up sympathy either.

    It is my call as a Christian to warn someone in my church that they are headed in a very bad direction.

    You mean like in Co 5?

    Not your call, my brother. I’ve explained in detail why I say the things I say about zionists and Jews and principal amongst those is that its their leaders who are leading them astray, but you’ve been blind to that distinction and have alleged many times that I make no such such distinction but rather hold all our brother Jews to account for the crimes of their leaders.

    Possibly there is the odd time I haven’t made that distinction clear but people like nasska have certainly picked it up over the years so I would have expected a brother making a serious allegation such as you make all the time against me would have been more careful and would have researched my comments covering past similar periods such as over Operation Cast Lead which would have given you evidence either way.

    But you haven’t done that.

    I apologise for calling you hammer boy which, as you know, is in reference to this propensity you have displayed in leaping to conclusions and extrapolating your analysis that “a person who says x must believe y therefore this person believes y.”

    I recognise of course like all people you have much more subtle thought patterns than that. And there is no excuse for that behaviour so I do apologise and I hope you forgive me in your own time over that calculated insult.

    The way I see it Shawn, all Christians are gifted. I happen to have the gift of deliverance. For non-Christians, this is the ability to see spiritual machinations in the material world. It’s not a common gift. It’s not that rare, but it’s not common.

    One of the things that seems to work against even brother and sister Christians, in them seeing the same things that I see, is their want and need to display love and acceptance and forgiveness and that seems to cause them sometimes to misperceive what’s really going on in a given situation. Naturally.

    Which is fine. I’m used to it. And, BTW, I’m always prepared to accept I’m wrong. Of course I am. Provided I’m discussing the issue with someone who’s as up to speed with it as much as I am. And that’s the critical part. Very few are. I can count them on one hand. Joseph Erhlich is one. He’s written a book called Clarity. Amongst others. Read it.

    Because of my lifelong interest in the eternal sea: politics; my perceptions in exercising my gift in this field are inevitably macro not micro. And since the “customary” macro view is what happens on the 6 o’clock news until told otherwise, naturally this conflicts with accepted opinion.

    I think Shawn my brother our conflict is spilling into unacceptable areas and I would welcome a personal contact to discuss a way forward. Accordingly I suggest you phone me sometime over the weekend, to discuss. 07 859 3307. Please not tonight, I have things to do.

    Blessings,

    Reid

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  240. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    ….”Wow this place is so full of sinners tonight”……

    I think I can see a small business opportunity here Judith…..I reckon I’ll just print off a few Indulgences & retire a couple of years earlier than I planned. :)

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  241. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Ugly, there are no Jews with only Khazar ancestry and thus no converts to Islam from such an ancestry amongst Palestinians. Even suggesting such inanity dismisses credibility as to developing an opinion on the basis of fact.

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  242. big bruv (13,886 comments) says:

    So how much have you won via gambling D4J?

    And if this is your full time occupation I trust you are paying taxes on your income?

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  243. Longknives (4,740 comments) says:

    “This place is so full of sinners tonight, some going straight to hell..”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l482T0yNkeo

    Race you there!

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  244. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth, what Zionists are you referring to?

    Political Zionists, the ones who support a state in Palestine for “their” Jews.

    And how did they make the decision as to footnotes in a reference bible?

    I’d expect that they had control of the production process and with the advent of the Zionist state they ammended the footnotes so that they supported their objectives.

    Unsurprisingly Reid just immediately believes a claim about Zionists doing something nefarious, without giving the issue of evidence a thought.

    I don’t know how Reid evaluates the claims. My argument for a close relationship between the dispensationalist Christians and the Zionists would be the common element of Pharasaism. I don’t mean to say that all Christians are hypocrites or all Rabbinical Jews are hypocrites, only that there is a common doctrinal base which is characterised by the politicization of religion, which naturally connects to political Zionism.

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  245. dad4justice (8,214 comments) says:

    Reid, I think you’ll find Shawn is just another tentacle of the bigot blouse UBF monster.
    These sicko’s excel in keyboard cowardice.

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  246. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ugly, there are no Jews with only Khazar ancestry

    How do you know that?

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  247. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    Reid

    Could you post a transcript of the conversation? The God Dodgers amongst we commentators will be happy to score the exchange.

    It will allow us to give a neutral assessment, declare a winner & advise all contactable Deities accordingly. :)

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  248. dad4justice (8,214 comments) says:

    nasska – Shawn will not ring Reid and bigot blouse will not post the “alleged emails” I sent it. These creeps are lying jellyfish that excrete words of nonsense.

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  249. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Ugly, because Jews inter-marry and Khazar’s distinctive DNA as a separate people was c1000 years ago – we do not even know what it was.

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  250. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ugly, so you think the use of the term synagogue of satan in the bible written 2000 years ago and a Jew of the past 100 years who calls Zionism a satanic work proves the two are connected?

    No, the connection comes from theology, from an understanding of the nature of the adversary aka Satan.

    And how do the Rothschild link to something else via the Edomites

    By language. Rothschild means red shield, and Edom means red. A shield is something a warrior uses, and Esau aka Edom had status as a warrior. The element of language comes from the king of Babylon who was killed by Esau, with Babylon being the origin of the confusion of language.

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  251. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Ugly, you do realise that religion is political, claim of knowledge of God or agency of God was the means by which royals set themselves apart from and above the ruled people/commoners.

    Those outsiders without power would claim to be a people of God by faith and then claim an area to rule (as per a new nation established under God in place of city states of the old gods of Canaan), or Islam as a means to unite tribes and unite rule under a new prophet of God.

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  252. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Reid,

    “Provided I’m discussing the issue with someone who’s as up to speed with it as much as I am. And that’s the critical part. Very few are. ”

    That’s the problem, you’re not “up to speed.”

    As I pointed out, your claim about Jews desecrating their own graves has zero supporting evidence, and the only place I could even find the claim was at the neo-Nazi web site Stormfront.

    So your version of being “up to speed” is just imbibing uncritically any anti-Jewish nonsense.

    There is only one way to move forward. Stop using the Jews/Zionists as a scapegoat for the worlds problems.

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  253. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    @SPC

    Religion is more than politics because it is an essential part of the process by which knowledge of deity is attained.

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  254. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    @ D4J

    “These sicko’s excel in keyboard cowardice.”

    Says the guy who makes threats over the internet but never carries them out.

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  255. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    As I pointed out, your claim about Jews desecrating their own graves has zero supporting evidence

    IIRC Reid was talking about Mossad desecrating graves, not Jews.

    “All of this language … reflects and furthers the goals of the Anti-Defamation League, which has a stated goal of creating an environment where opposing the State of Israel is considered “anti-Semitism,” and “anti-Semitism” is a “hate crime” punishable by law.”
    http://www.rense.com/general60/zcre.htm

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  256. starboard (2,536 comments) says:

    “A man was shot and tasered by police after slitting the throat of a pregnant woman and attacking another woman with a hammer, a Wellington jury has been told.”

    Ruka Te Pono Hemopo, 48…

    Another peaceful native goes on a bender..nice fella

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  257. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Ugly, a connection understood within theology (whose?) means without real world evidence.

    The bible grants Esau no status as a warrior, nor does history evidence any killing of a King of Babylon in Canaan. Regardless you are saying that the Rothschild name was a chosen one and chosen to infer a connection to Edomites/Idumeans because of some historic tale (untrue) about Esau killing a King of Babylon.

    So you are claiming that the house of Rothschild saw themselves as champions of a cause to end the Babylonian exile and indicated this in the name they have? That their “adversarial” nature is shown by their commitment to this Jewish nationalist cause?

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  258. dad4justice (8,214 comments) says:

    “Says the guy who makes threats over the internet but never carries them out.”

    What threat Shawn and I thought you were going to watch TV anyway Shawn how come you don’t ask your good buddy bigot blouse why he hates God ( Sky Fairy) and while you’re at it can ask your good mate to post the “alleged ” threatening emails that I supposedly sent him. I think you and bb are the same person, surely there can be no other explanation. Keyboard coward with a big monkey man on his shoulder. Ring Reid or see a Nut Doctor.

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  259. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Shawn this suggested conversation or series of conversations is not to discuss specific point issues with respect to who is right and who is wrong but rather eventually to discover a way we can mutually exist here without tearing each other apart in public.

    I’m not certain that’s going to be possible over the phone, but it’s all we have and it gives us a private discussion channel to air our thoughts so it’s worth a try.

    One thing I’m not prepared to do is leave this fora simply because you are here but I’m also not prepared to continue displaying our disagreements in the way we have because its unseemly, hence this proposal.

    If you’re interested it’d be good if you could indicate a timeband when you’re thinking of calling so I can make sure I’m home.

    Blessings.

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  260. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Certainly, in theory, one can be anti-Zionist but not anti-Semitic.

    “There are ultra-religious Jews who do not believe in Zionism for religious reasons. And there are some left-wing Jews who side against Israel.

    There also are those who truly just want Israel to leave Judea and Samaria (the “West Bank”), although the Israeli departure almost a decade ago from Gaza calls such a strategy into question.

    But the exceptions prove the rule. Intellectually one can distinguish anti-Zionism from anti-Semitism. But in the real world, on the streets of Paris, Berlin, London, Boston, Miami and elsewhere, they are one and the same.

    It’s time we stopped pretending otherwise.”

    http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/civil-rights/214344-anti-semitism-flares-up-with-gaza-crisis

    And here is why the rhetoric of Ugly and Reid is dangerous and irresponsible.

    “Anti-Semitic attack on Sydney school bus, threaten to cut Jewish children’s throats.

    EWISH schools are on high alert after eight drunken men stormed a school bus and threatened to cut Jewish children’s throats this afternoon.

    The men allegedly boarded the bus which was carrying children from Mount Sinai, Mariah and Emanuel kindergarten in Bondi.

    One witness said her three daughters aged eight, 10 and 12 on the bus were traumatised.

    “The bus driver opened the doors for these strange men and allowed them on to torment the kids,” Jackie Blackburn said.

    “They were screaming ‘Heil Hitler’, ‘kill the Jews’, ‘Palestine must kill you Jews’, ‘we’re going to cut your throats and slice your throats open’ — just all very bad anti-Semitic stuff.

    “I’m shaking like a leaf. My kids are on a private school bus it’s only for Jewish schoolchildren.”

    She described the panicked call made to her by one of her children. “She said: ‘Hey Mummy, please help us, there are eight strange men who have been let on to a school bus and they are screaming ‘Heil Hitler! Kill the Jews!’ they want to cut out our throats’.””

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/08/anti-semitic-attack-on-sydney-school-bus-threaten-to-cut-jewish-childrens-throats/

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  261. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Ugly, religion does not allow people to attain knowledge of deity, unless that deity was created by the religion and the religion is created by man.

    Religion can be about attaining self knowledge and self improvement and evolving a higher consciousness and bridging the gap that so obviously exists between the flesh and any deity.

    However it is a fact that any deity has chosen to hide itself from man, one can surmise that this is to enable free will for us in a human ruled dominion.

    Religion is left with the eternal ideal and the ideal eternal related to an abstract love of creator. In the east they separate this from the abstract love of creator because they conflate the created universe itself with God, rather than creation of God, the western tradition. Though Christianity allows creation as a son of God from God.

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  262. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ugly, a connection understood within theology (whose?) means without real world evidence.

    No, theology is based on reason just as evidence can be based on reason.

    The bible grants Esau no status as a warrior

    “Esau was a cunning hunter, a man of the field”
    Gen 25:27

    The book of Jasher gives him that status, and the Bible refers to the book of Jasher.

    So you are claiming that the house of Rothschild saw themselves as champions of a cause to end the Babylonian exile and indicated this in the name they have? That their “adversarial” nature is shown by their commitment to this Jewish nationalist cause?

    No, nothing of the sort.What I am claiming is that patterns in language have relevance to real world affairs at a deep level, the level at which deity operates.

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  263. dad4justice (8,214 comments) says:

    Reid, as I said before Shawn is just another big bruv tentacle. You are getting played by the devil my friend.

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  264. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ugly, religion does not allow people to attain knowledge of deity, unless that deity was created by the religion and the religion is created by man.

    Religion allows nothing. Religion enables people to attain knowledge of deity.

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  265. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Religion enables people to attain knowledge of deity.

    And all that entails UT. Well said.

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  266. Scott Chris (6,135 comments) says:

    Another peaceful native goes on a bender

    Hey Starboard/ laboursajoke/dirty harriet,

    You’re a complete asshole. This country doesn’t need closet homos like you.

    Fuck off and diet. ;)

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  267. starboard (2,536 comments) says:

    You obviously haven’t been told today have you scottchris

    Go and play hide your sausage in ya boyfriends bum ya filthy homo

    I hope you get aids.

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  268. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Ugly, theists who imagine they have knowledge of deity through religion are the reason for the just claim that the secular state society has brought civilisation into the world. It is the only way theists can co-exist with each other and the rest of us in peace.

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  269. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Ugly, there is no evidence the deity operates in the world. And certainly not in the Rothschild having the name red shield in German.

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  270. Scott Chris (6,135 comments) says:

    Heh, you’re the one with the bum sex obsession starboard/labourajoke/dirty harriet.

    That’s why I know you’re a closet sadist homo. Because you’re obsessed with bum sex and you hate yourself and you need multiple online identities to avoid censure.

    Scum.

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  271. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ugly, theists who imagine they have knowledge of deity through religion are the reason for the just claim that the secular state society has brought civilisation into the world. It is the only way theists can co-exist with each other and the rest of us in peace.

    It isn’t the only way. Theists can co-exist with each other and non-believers through actual knowledge rather than purely imagined (ie fictional) knowledge. While it isn’t always straightforward to distinguish between knowledge and belief, our ability to test our beliefs against reality makes it possible to attain such knowledge, in much the same way that science tests theories about the laws of nature.

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  272. dad4justice (8,214 comments) says:

    “Because you’re obsessed with bum sex and you hate yourself and you need multiple online identities to avoid censure.”

    You must be talking about big bruv and Shawn. One and the same. Sick stuff all around eh?

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  273. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ugly, there is no evidence the deity operates in the world.

    None that you’re aware of, apparently.

    That’s it from me for tonight, talk to you later SPC.

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  274. starboard (2,536 comments) says:

    Past your bedtime freckle puncher..off you go now with your felching straw and collection of butt plugs.

    You and your ilk make me wana puke.

    I bet when you were born the doctor slapped ya mamma instead of your ugly arse.

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  275. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    You’re really not well in the head are you D4J?

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  276. dad4justice (8,214 comments) says:

    Is that a comment from bb or Shawny. What identity are we now Mr Sky Fairy? You fool nobody except yourself. Ring Reid and post the emails.

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  277. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    It’s a comment from me.

    BB and I are different people. That you think we may not be speaks volumes about the state of your mind.

    Anyonne can attest to the fact that I have clashed with BB many times over Christianity vs atheism, and while we are currently civil and more or less friendly, we are hardly on the same page on many issues.

    I really think you need to get some help. Your level of rage is not normal.

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  278. dad4justice (8,214 comments) says:

    Shawny gal, check back on this very thread when you and your bb shadow were talking about me in my absence. You are no Christian, you are one very sick individual with multiple blogger identities. You have no respect and integrity. Ring Reid and post the emails you distorted creep.

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  279. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Actually it was me, bb and naaska, amongst others.

    And Christians are not supposed to behave as you do. Forgiveness is central to the Gospel, yet here you are raging against imaginary multiple people.

    Get help mate. You really do need it.

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  280. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “and post the emails you distorted creep.”

    Oh dear. You will need to talk to BB about that. I’m not him.

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  281. dad4justice (8,214 comments) says:

    Shawny girl so its alright for you to slander a person behind their backs. Did you learn Christianity from a bb Tarrot card. You are the one who needs help. Are you going to ring Reid? Yeah right pigs fly. You can ring from bb’s cab phone. You know the one I mean eh matey!

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  282. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “Shawny girl so its alright for you to slander a person behind their backs.”

    You have been caught lying before apparently, so you slander yourself.

    “Did you learn Christianity from a bb Tarrot card. ”

    Look up forgiveness and love of neighbour in the Bible, then get back to me.

    “Are you going to ring Reid? Yeah right pigs fly.”

    Reid knows the score. He can stop posting neo-Nazi propaganda, and I will stop calling him on it. I might ring him, but I doubt it will help, though I have no idea what that has to do with you.

    ” You can ring from bb’s cab phone. You know the one I mean eh matey!”

    Actually I really don’t.

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  283. Nookin (3,341 comments) says:

    Are you sure you had a holiday, dad? You seem awfully uptight.

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  284. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Wow. That guy just managed to make Ugly look sane. That level of rage and paranoia is impressive, and not in a good way.

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  285. Andrei (2,641 comments) says:

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  286. dad4justice (8,214 comments) says:

    “Are you sure you had a holiday, dad? You seem awfully uptight.”

    Had a wonderful holiday Nookin thank you. I just can’t stand cowardly backstabbers like Shawny and bigot blouse continually trying to undermine my credibility in my absence. I have no doubt these keyboard cowards would not slander me to my face. I detest backstabbing wimps like these pathetic creeps as they give manhood a bad name. These jellyfish would slither away if confronted face to face in real life. They make me sick. The person responsible would be held accountable.

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  287. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    ” I have no doubt these keyboard cowards would not slander me to my face. ”

    Wanna bet?

    You would not last 60 seconds with me boy. You have no clue who and what you are dealing with.

    Your a gutless coward who stalks and harasses people over the net, then whines like a child when someone stands up to him.

    Pathetic.

    Get a life and get some help, before your rage gets the better of you and you do something really, really stupid.

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  288. dad4justice (8,214 comments) says:

    “You would not last 60 seconds with me boy.’

    How much you want to bet on that Shawny girl?

    “You have no clue who and what you are dealing with.”

    A creepy nutter with a severe anger problem. No doubts there.

    Hahahaha – really bigot blouse get some help. I got no rage but just have a look at you right now lol. Anyway contact me and we meet up matey. i am happy to give you my address and real name. This will be fun for all. Hahaha what a crackpot headcase. Temper temper Sky Fairy haha.

    What a laugh you are Shawny girl.

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  289. RichardX (326 comments) says:

    You’re both in Canterbury….sort it out
    My money is on Shawn

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  290. dad4justice (8,214 comments) says:

    Of course it would be dickhead X. I bet you Shawny girl will not front up let alone put his REAL NAME to his bile rhetoric. I am not a gutless coward who hides my real identity unlike bigot blouse shanwy thingy.

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  291. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    I just can’t stand cowardly backstabbers like Shawny and bigot blouse continually trying to undermine my credibility in my absence.

    d4j, one of the wisest things I’ve ever heard and which I try to live by to an increasingly adherent degree is this:

    It’s not what happens to you it’s how you treat what happens to you.

    This is the key not to happiness, but to avoiding unhappiness. Fuck em. That’s the lesson. But fuck em without hate, without rancour, without wishing ill on them, just ignore their little games, for at the end of the day, in the wider scheme of things, that’s all they are.

    To a greater or lessor extent that’s both really hard and really easy to do. Really hard when it involves your whole being and really easy because in reality the switch to that is in your own mind and it always has been and it can never be removed from your mind and therefore from your control.

    Extreme examples of this principal in action are things like those beautiful art works that emerged from conditions of extreme stress where there was no hope yet still humans that were being managed to produce works that went beyond the squalor, the torture, the horror, the fear and which are beautiful, peaceful and which transcend the conditions in which they were currently living.

    That’s the key d4j and it’s open to us all to unlock if we take it up, which is not easy, is not without set backs, but it is in the end, the right and the only way. Take care my friend.

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  292. dad4justice (8,214 comments) says:

    Thank you for the wise words and take care Reid. Goodnight my friend.

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  293. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Ugly, you believe that theists can co-exist with each other and non believers, but when I test that belief against reality in the world I do not see any example of it.

    I should state that I see demonstration of this in equal status to each person whatever their religious status.

    By this test what knowledge can have you that this could one day be possible? Faith that it could be so?

    Theist’s belief in the identity of the righteous being known by their religion and ultimate judgment of the righteous of the unrighteous generally leads them to discriminate against others in a way that precludes the equality of all individuals.

    As for the belief of some that the deity acts in the world.

    Some believe that it does through them, their actions and their cause, and often this becomes murderous. Then there is the belief in the power of faith itself and that this of itself it is a witness to the deity acting in the world – if only through their faith. But there will never be any evidence in the world that it is any deity acting in these instances, just the belief that the deity was somehow present with them. And yes they will claim this is their knowledge – but such “knowledge” cannot be objective, only subjective.

    Thus the theist will say the unbeliever is not aware of the deity acting in the world whereas the fellow believer will claim knowledge of this.

    Given all believers have to trust in the religions built by the lies of men (and which slander deity as a mass murderer of creation), their claim of any subsequent valid knowledge of deity separate from this religious belief is questionable.

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  294. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “A creepy nutter with a severe anger problem. No doubts there.”

    I almost never get angry on KB. The last time was months ago. But here I think you are projecting, because it is obvious to me and others that you do have an anger issue. It’s why you got banned previously. And you ARE the one making repeated threats against BB, for what seem like very small issues.

    I have no idea what the issue is between you and BB, and I really don’t care. But it is between you and him, and despite you bizarre delusion, I am not him.

    Oh, and my name is my nick, Shawn Lee Herles.

    ” I bet you Shawny girl will not front up ”

    Think what you like. But it would be a mistake to assume that.

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  295. Manolo (13,753 comments) says:

    Barbarians beyond description: http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/08/isis-threatens-america-we-will-raise-the-flag-of-allah-in-the-white-house/

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  296. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Pretty delusional barbarians Manolo, if they think that is going to happen.

    Looks like they have some air strikes coming their way.

    Their persecution and abuse of other religious and ethnic groups, including the beheading of Christians in large numbers is a crime against humanity. Far more people have died at the hands of ISIS than have been killed during the Gaza conflict, yet the MSM is barely talking about it.

    Gee, I wonder why?

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  297. big bruv (13,886 comments) says:

    Shawn

    It seems that the barbarians are not the only people suffering from delusions. What the hell was your mate on about last night?

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  298. Longknives (4,740 comments) says:

    “Looks like they have some air strikes coming their way.”

    I’d fucking nuke ‘em! They are a blight on the Human race…

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  299. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ugly, you believe that theists can co-exist with each other and non believers, but when I test that belief against reality in the world I do not see any example of it.

    Because their co-existence is without order. Put a Jew, a Muslim, and Christian, and an atheist in the same house and watch it all turn to custard when they’ve got to face real problems. Give them their own space and suddenly they’re not confronted with beliefs and behaviour which they find meaningless or offensive.

    I should state that I see demonstration of this in equal status to each person whatever their religious status.

    Religion can involve the removal of the constraints of personhood, the diminshed status resulting from an obligation to the state.

    By this test what knowledge can have you that this could one day be possible? Faith that it could be so?

    It’s a simple matter of logic, total segregation makes inter-group conflict impossible. In the most extreme case of segregation, a non-aggression pact or treaty would exist between communities or nations along with the stipulation that anyone who has an incompatible religion is to be refused admission or to be deported.

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  300. ste3e (118 comments) says:

    Jamie White has this ridiculous notion that property is some sort of natural thing that owns the allegiance and respect of all but the faulty who should be put out of sight and into prisons. Property is not this. It is a compact between people to value some whatever at some set value. When the compact fails so too does the respect for property. Any country like NZ with the second highest incarceration rate in the OECD has a problem in that a significant proportion of the population fall outside the compact. Challenging the right of people to exist outside the compact by incarceration and other bullying tactics can only exacerbate the problem and further undermine respect for property. A compact is something that free people enter into of their own accord. A dictatorship fails as a system for state, as a guide to interpersonal relationships, and therefore as a means to guarantee a compact.

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