Guest Post: Losing Our Heads Over ISIS

August 22nd, 2014 at 3:00 pm by David Farrar

A guest post by . Note that the remainder of the article over the break has a photo that could be disturbing for some:

The beheading of US photo-journalist James Foley of GlobalPost by a British heavily London-accented jihadist – now identified as a member of “the Beatles” troop – who had travelled to the Middle East to ‘fight’ for , changes everything. 

 A radicalized Briton has beheaded an innocent US journalist.

Think about that.

The jihadists are using innocent Europeans and Muslims who do not subscribe to their narrow religious cult with heinous brutality (80 Yazidi men ‘executed,’ their women and children sold into white slavery) as tools to conduct a psychological campaign of fear.  We call this “terrorism.”

It is designed to strike terror and is used as a weapon.

US journalist Stephen Sotloff is next.  The second in a sickening queue we will be forced to endure at the hand of these iSIS butchers.

Can journalists and Europeans function or even visit Muslim nations after this?

The Hamas tunnels in Israel (the latter so vehemently criticised and protested against by Internet/Mana rent-a-mobs in New Zealand last week) were designed as snatch holes. They want Israeli citizens, so they can be held, money extorted, or executed for propaganda purposes.

Now all and any Europeans are vulnerable to kidnapping, torture and beheading on camera for the purposes of propaganda. It does not matter who they are (they might be Olympic athletes in a Canadian Olympic village; perhaps a touring All Blacks team): simply non-jihadists and it’s better if they are Western and Christian.

What happens when this is done to a Western woman?  Or a celebrity?  The fuse of an international powder keg is burning.

This is like something out of the biblical Assyrian campaigns of Sennacherib’s terror across the ancient Middle

East: impalings, mass beheadings, mass slaughters, executions, torture, rape. etc. designed to create psychological awe.

Beheadings have a certain cultural oeuvre in the history and mentality of the extremist jihadi.  But they are not alone.

The head-hunting culture of the Samurai was inherent to their code of machismo and dominance. Same with the Vikings, and the Kings of England.  In 1890 a group of Chinese pirates attacked a western ship (the Namoa) and robbed everyone (including Chinese passengers) on board, and murdered the captain.  The response of the Hong Kong(British) authorities was to behead them when they were caught. This was done in Kowloon City on April 17th and May 11th of 1891, appropriately on the beach.

Kowloon 

Execution of Chinese pirates in Kowloon city, 1891 for piracy by the Hong Kong authorities (under British governance).

The difference is, this the 21st century, not 13th century Japan, England in the 1540s, or 1891. This is barbaric behaviour. It is something a crazed mentally-disturbed serial killer would do.  But we cannot call all ISIS fighters crazed; they are simply evil. They’ve gone over to the dark side: inhumanity, killings, self-righteousness, brutality, framed by an ancient Islamic faith. It is not without reason that a raised saber is an international symbol of Islam, in the same way the Roman cross is of the West.  This is not new.  It is entirely how Islam was first spread. So, why are we surprised about the military culture of a revived militant Islam?

This is as much a religious struggle as a political or military one.   

It is not only a clash or radical Islam verses ‘Christianity’ (read “modern” or “Western”).  It is also a battle between savage barbarism and inhumanity verse the values of the West and of moderate Muslims (also victims in this creeping darkness). Public outrage, like that in Hong Kong over a century ago, will force Western governments to act.

We will have war.

It has taken a long time for the West to wake up to this.

The Israelis have been fighting it for decades.  But the James Foley beheading (not a clean samurai sword decapitation, but a grisly slow hacking through his neck with a small knife, like quartering a lamb shank) changes everything.

The UK is livid because of the British connection. US President Barack Obama’s weak foreign leadership is being exposed, as this kind of propaganda plays to the hawks of American sentiment. Obama’s politically correct fantasy of the  world and his own role in it:  his so-called “new beginning” with Islam proclaimed in Cairo; his “reset with Russia,”  his “global nuclear disarmament” declared in Prague, will be swept away for the hollow rhetoric it is.

More pressing realities are now knocking.

The ISIS criminality will galvanize the British (a tough lot when the crunch comes) and most Americans. Slowly the West will gather together like a big sleepy dog raising itself to swat an annoying cat.

ISIS has made a terrible misstep with James Foley’s murder.

They have declared themselves an army and the West as the enemy.  Like Germany invading Russia and declaring war on America, and the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor, they radically underestimate the collective will and strength of the Western nations when we are compelled to act by a persistent and recalcitrant threat.

Austria, the Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia yes, but then came Poland. Germany reaped a whirlwind.

Incidents like Foley’s beheading are a flash point.  And like the anarchist assassination in Sarajevo in 1914, it represents a point of turning.  This is it.

But nations like Britain, France and America have another problem.  That of assimilation, and -like the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII – what to do with local muslims born and bred in their own nations who do, or do not, subscribe to a version of radicalized Islam? Or what to do with the potential threat of future radicalization, as confronting us in New Zealand with the closing of an Auckland mosque by the The Federation of Islamic Associations because of threats of jihad; or in the UK when Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale ran down and butchered British soldier Lee Rigby?

Warfare is changing.  We are being confronted by enemies within.  But we also have a clear and well-defined enemy without – ISIS carving out an anti-Western, anti-Jewish, anti-Christian, anti-moderate muslim monster in pan-Syria-Iraq.  It’s leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi now governs an area of more souls than live in New Zealand, and whom are now taxed to feed his militarist state.

The West will act.  The doves will die and the hawks will rise. The Kurds will get their homeland, and ally to the West.  The Turks will have to decide whether they are Western or Eastern, secular or religious.  Differences between America and Russia will dissipate. But as former Australian army chief professor Peter Leahy warned us from Canberra just ten days ago, ‘we will be fighting this enemy for 100 years,’ just as we have Communism.

Radical Islam is the military quandary confronting Generation Y.  Let’s hope we don’t lose our heads.

~ John Stringer is an author and classical scholar living in Christchurch.

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93 Responses to “Guest Post: Losing Our Heads Over ISIS”

  1. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

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  2. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    The British would probably like to respond with one of these.http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-43/B_Massive_Ordnance_Air_Blast. But no doubt in the US we’ll see Michelle O take a selfie holding a sign saying “#lets not lose our heads – be nice to Muslims”.

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  3. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    heh, this clown stringer is no “scholar”

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  4. Scott (1,800 comments) says:

    Mikenmild– You saw the video. You saw what they are capable of doing. What part of that do you think they wouldn’t do here, if they had the power to do so?
    If they can kill an American innocent journalist in cold blood by sawing off his head with a little knife in Iraq why don’t you think they would do it here?

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  5. Fletch (6,389 comments) says:

    And while an American citizen has been killed, his parents distraught and crying on TV, Obama makes a perfunctory statement and gets back to the business of golfing.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2730503/Fist-bump-Furious-reactions-Obamas-5-hour-golf-game-overshadow-5-minute-ISIS-speech-teed-IMMEDIATELY-condemning-American-photojournalist-James-Foleys-executioners.html

    Worst. President. Ever.
    Where is Bush when you need him?

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  6. MarkF (102 comments) says:

    Keep this up DPF it must never be swept under the carpet. Mind you, this is nothing new here is a quote from what is probably the 20th century’s greatest prophet, Sir Winston Churchill, written over 100 years ago. It should be remembered at all times.

    “How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
    Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia
    in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many
    countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods
    of commerce and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the
    Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and
    refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan
    law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as
    a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the
    faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

    Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion
    paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde
    force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant
    and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising
    fearless warriors at every step, and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the
    strong arms of science, the science against which it (Islam) has vainly struggled,
    the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”

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  7. alex Masterley (1,517 comments) says:

    I think Enoch Powell had this sort of happening in mind when he addressed a conservative party meeting in 1968.

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  8. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Ha ha Scott.
    Mexican drug gangs are killing innocent people every day. Don’t you think they would do that here too, if they could?

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  9. lolitasbrother (695 comments) says:

    Tough post Farrar, perhaps an element of diversion here, you recovered quickly, we are proud of you

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  10. markm (114 comments) says:

    The enemy within.

    The mikenmilds of this world, who march against the GCSB, who dare to try and protect us against these and other threats , preferring the right of criminals and terrorists to have privacy in their emails.

    Funnily enough the mikenmilds of this world think that terrorists and international criminals have a greater right to privacy than right wing bloggers.

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  11. Odakyu-sen (653 comments) says:

    ISIS are dumb.

    Why would they want to bite the hand that feeds their enemies propaganda?

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  12. unaha-closp (1,165 comments) says:

    By changing flags to the silver fern we won’t be confused with Australia anymore, we’ll be confused with this lot. It will make the finishing gesture to Kapa o Pango a bit more meaningful.

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  14. Scott (1,800 comments) says:

    mikenmild- yes but Mexican drug gangs are not trying to establish a world wide caliphate. ISIS says it wants to move on to America for instance and continue their savage butchery there.

    I just don’t think you will ever get it until some hooded jihadist starts sawing at your neck while crying out Allah Akbar!

    In fact you probably won’t get it even then? With your dying breath you’ll probably cry out “damn the CIA!”

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  15. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    And you think that ISIS taking over the world is a realistic prospect? You probably feel that we should expel all Muslims, just in case they are jihadists. Better safe than sorry.

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  16. insider (1,028 comments) says:

    Those who want to change our flag to a silver fern on a black background because they are concerned about it being confused with australia’s should take a look at the Isis flag and ask what they’d rather their flag be confused with.

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  17. iMP (2,385 comments) says:

    3:48 pm “And you think that ISIS taking over the world is a realistic prospect?”

    Milky, wether you agree with the threat or not, 1/3 of the world’s nations are already “muslim” (majority population). ISIS has effective control of two major nations.

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  18. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    DonC: “Hamas does not carry out executions”

    well that took 3 seconds to refute:

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  19. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Iraq and Syria you mean? Major nations? And ISIS hardly ‘controls’ either.

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  20. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    mikenmild (11,225 comments) says:
    August 22nd, 2014 at 3:48 pm

    And you think that ISIS taking over the world is a realistic prospect?

    The Nazi’s didn’t take over the world mikey. Doesn’t mean there wasn’t a fucking great war involved to stop it happening though.
    Might have been less bloodshed if they were stopped earlier, but hey let’s ignore history because it never repeats, right?

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  21. flipper (4,065 comments) says:

    This commenter , milky, is deserving of the award of the first Kiwiblog-ISIS award for stupidity….
    *** “mikenmild (11,225 comments) says:

    August 22nd, 2014 at 3:06 pm

    Shrill and hysterical…. ”

    Milky, yell that when you emulate the late Mr Foley.

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  22. Scott (1,800 comments) says:

    “And you think that ISIS taking over the world is a realistic prospect?”

    Yes given enough relativistic surrender monkeys like you!

    The Muslims in time gone by were only stopped at the gates of Vienna. Given the weakness of the west and its craven surrender to Muslim demands then it is quite possible that Muslims think it is a realistic prospect to have another go at taking over the West.

    And the Muslims think ISIS is a winner. The guy on the video spoke with a British accent. He is one of many from the West who have gone to ISIS to aid the jihad.

    And the West’s response? Well the likes of you think it is not a problem and the leader of the free world concentrates on his golf game. I think the jihadist is looking at pretty good odds unless the West wakes up.

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  23. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    RN
    I’m not arguing that ISIS shouldn’t be opposed. I just don’t believe that they represent the sort of existential threat that the hysterical Stringer goes on about.
    P.S. Did you like his line about ‘white slavery’?

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  24. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    DonC says at 3:39 pm

    “Hamas does not carry out executions,…”

    A lying Hamas supporter, what’s new?

    Hamas says it’s executed Palestinians as Israeli spies in Gaza war
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/07/us-hamas-palestinians-execution-idUSKBN0G726W20140807

    Filmed in Gaza on Sep. 2009 during the purges of Fatah supporters by Hamas. the Hamas executed the Fatah supporters by throwing them alive from the roof.

    As for the rest of your statement, I can’t even be bothered anymore to confront the ignorance, lies and propaganda from you lot.
    Liars and supporters of terrorism, plain and simple.

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  25. iMP (2,385 comments) says:

    Milky, might be a point disputed by the families of the hundreds of girls kidnapped by Boko Haram.

    Media Ignores Acceptance of Sex Slavery by Islam.

    http://www.commdiginews.com/politics-2/media-ignores-acceptance-of-sex-slavery-by-islamists-24006/

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  26. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I was talking about his use of ‘white’, in ‘white slavery’.

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  27. labrator (1,850 comments) says:

    I’m not arguing that…

    No, that’s right mikenmild. You’re not actually ever arguing anything ever. You can’t even decide your own view on very simply stated questions. You simply push buttons for your own amusement. That’s sad in many ways.

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  28. ShawnLH (5,063 comments) says:

    “I was talking about his use of ‘white’, in ‘white slavery’.”

    Why? The kidnapping and slavery of white people by Muslims is hardly news to anyone who bothers with history.

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  29. tom hunter (4,843 comments) says:

    @ mikenmild
    How should ISIS be opposed?

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  30. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    mikey, “P.S. Did you like his line about ‘white slavery’?”

    White-slave dictionary definition. white-slave defined. white-slave. A woman or girl forced or induced into engaging in prostitution or sexual acts, especially one who has been transported across a border between states or nations.

    I believe it has been reported that many Yazadi women and children have been abducted by IS, and it seems the women may be forced to become ‘wives’ of the jihadists or used as sex slaves.

    So stop your shrill hysterical shrieking mikey, you’re wrong, he’s right.

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  31. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    The kidnapping and slavery of white people by Muslims is hardly news to anyone who bothers with history.

    Which version?.

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  32. UrbanNeocolonialist (288 comments) says:

    Almost an impossible problem for the enlightened democratic west to deal with. Europe now has 5-10 thousands disaffected muslim citizens involved in the conflict in the Middle East, willing to kill and die for what they tell themselves are religious reasons (but like all of history just window dressing for revolutionaries who really just want to be the new aristocrats).

    Pragmatically we can’t allow people like that to live free in our society – if they have been to the Middle East and gotten used to behaving as violent thugs, then they are grenades waiting to explode in our peaceful societies. Problem is that they are still citizens with the same rights and privileges as everyone else. How can we lock them up for life if they haven’t yet acted on it in their own countries? And the problem extends to perhaps 10-100 times as many mainly young muslim citizens who haven’t travelled but will be potentially converted to violence by these thugs when they return.

    I think we are going to have to take the kid gloves off. Outlaw participating in the conflicts to all Citizens of the west with permanent incarceration on return or voluntary banishment. Perhaps extend that to Islamic sedition (ie promotion of anti democratic/pro sharia type efforts within western democracies) within western democracies. Incarceration or banishment – there are plenty of Islamic countries for them to live in if that is what they so desperately crave as a system of government, we could even offer a resettlement fee for Islamic countries to take them in as citizens (a few thousand per head would be cheap at the price).

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  33. EAD (1,086 comments) says:

    With each passing day, Albert Pikes prediction of a 3rd world war between Islam and the Judeo-Christian world appears to be bang on the money….

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  34. iMP (2,385 comments) says:

    Good point UrbanNeoC. I think what we WILL see soon, perhaps led by UK and Australia, is:

    a) intense scrutiny of nationals having visited specific nations (Syria, Iraq etc), investigation, and then citizenship, visas, and re-entry back (to Uk, Aust. etc) denied.

    b) Some countries might even go as far, as INVITING any of its nationals to go fight the jihad, then closing the door behind them.

    Reverse “diversity” and integration I guess.

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  35. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Albert Pikes prediction

    Illuminati!.
    /

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  36. unaha-closp (1,165 comments) says:

    Maybe the West could stop trying to assist the ISIS and allies in their attempt to overthrow Assad.

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  37. tom hunter (4,843 comments) says:

    “The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw, and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.”

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  38. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    “P.S. Did you like his line about ‘white slavery’?”

    I did – it’s so outrageous that some pricks might enslave white people, instead of sticking to ‘normal’ or ‘proper’ slavery involving darkies.

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  39. flash2846 (284 comments) says:

    Lets send ISIS some New Zealand so called journalists just to practice on :)

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  40. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Ha ha psycho milt, another hysterical shrieker who hasn’t looked up the definition of ‘white slavery’

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  41. Southern Raider (1,829 comments) says:

    Have all you lefty apologists forgotten that only two weeks ago an aligned Muslim group in Norway started making a claim for a sharia state in 20% of the country.

    You don’t think they wouldn’t rise up in Norway or toner western countries and that 20% would just be a beach head

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  42. iMP (2,385 comments) says:

    Well, I think the point was the context: ie Yazidis…who are white/Caucasians of northern Iraq and surrounds.

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  43. Southern Raider (1,829 comments) says:

    I nominate Mike McRoberts

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  44. Rufus (667 comments) says:

    So a western reporter has his head cut off, and some here wish that on local journos?

    Classy.

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  45. Kimble (4,440 comments) says:

    Ha ha psycho milt, another hysterical shrieker who hasn’t looked up the definition of ‘white slavery’

    Yeah Milt. Tell us again how everyone but you is racist.

    You see the word “white” and assume it means white SKIN.

    What must you think of the terms Black Market, Black Death, and Black Balled?

    Or is that just a Red Herring?

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  46. Zebulon (114 comments) says:

    “Internet/Mana rent a mob” protesting in favour of Hamas. I’d like to see how far they get with their protests in any Middle Eastern country other than Israel.

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  47. Don the Kiwi (1,757 comments) says:

    MM simply is proving himself to be the useful idiot he always portrays himself to be.

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  48. labrator (1,850 comments) says:

    @kimble Please don’t tell Psycho Milt that he’s been boycotting the white pages his whole life for no reason.

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  49. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    White slavery was originally used, I believe, to refer to the enslavement of Europeans by the Barbary States. I was unaware that it had acquired a wider meaning of any sex slavery.
    I take it all back, Mr Stringer’s post is the epitome of fine reasoning and sober judgement.

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  50. MH (757 comments) says:

    damage control parties to close up. Set state 2 condition yankee. Special sea dutymen to the tillar flat…continue bailing.
    Yeoman hoist flag D and G. This is not an exercise…this is not an exercise.

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  51. Southern Raider (1,829 comments) says:

    Rufus the point is those western journalists are implicated in what the jihadists are doing as they chase the dirty Jews and defend the actual evil going on.

    Mike McRoberts is absolutely complicate in this. He sits in Gaza and just reprints the bile feed to him by Hamas. He has not spent a single interview over the last two months visiting Israeli children (yes Israeli children are Jewish, Arab and Christian) that have spent the last 10 years hiding in bomb shelters at least one a month and seen neighbouring houses destroyed.

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  52. kowtow (8,475 comments) says:

    The decapitation of the Chinese pirates was not carried out by the British authorities.

    In Kevin Sinclairs Asia’s Finest ,he cites the British authorities did arrest suspects for the Namoa piracy,the murder of its captain and three others.They were released due to lack of evidence (good old british justice at work at the height of the evil old white imperial colonial days).

    However the Chinese authorities who at that time still had sovereignty over the Kowloon Walled City caught the 19 men shown in the photo and it was the Chinese authorities who beheaded them as suspected pirates (some of them had been the released Namoa suspects).

    Some Hong Kong residents travelled overfrom Hong Kong Island to the beach in front of the Kowloon Walled City for the event.

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  53. wreck1080 (3,917 comments) says:

    I thought it was stupid for America to say they will not get involved in the ISIS Iraq conflict.

    Why on earth would the US spend hundreds of billions (or trillions?) and 10 years warring in Iraq so that an evil ragtag group like ISIS can roll on in and setup a new hotspot for training terrorists.

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  54. Southern Raider (1,829 comments) says:

    Just give the Kurds a large weapons drop and support a Kurdish state for their efforts

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  55. Fletch (6,389 comments) says:

    A pissed off U.S military veteran makes a statement to ISIS.

    “As I sit here constantly hearing and watching you execute innocent men, women and children in the Middle East I chuckle. Why do I chuckle you may ask? Well let me explain something to you cowardice fools who think you are so tough behind all your propaganda videos. You are scaring a population that doesn’t know how to fight, you’re bullying the weak.

    You say Islam is the religion of peace, but since when does terrorizing the innocent and beheading men, women and children constitute peace? WTF? But keep in mind, what did Saddam’s troops do when we came rolling into town? They surrendered, twice… So all your empty threats of coming to America and raising your flag over the White House amuse me more than any of you sick, sadistic bastards could ever imagine or comprehend.

    In 2012 there was about 21.2 million veterans in the United States. Do you understand what that means? Let me break it down for you. That means there are literally millions of disgruntled, dysfunctional, pissed off veterans who have been dealing with years of abuse from their government stabbing them in the backs and having to watch their friends die because you Islamic extremist idiots can’t seem to act like normal human beings and stop terrorism and the violence.

    It’s one thing to take over an Islamic state, but if my memory serves me correctly, I’m pretty sure we plowed through Fallujah in 4 days. Better yet, it took us about month to control your entire country. At this point, with 13+ years of war under our belts, how long do you think it would take us to do it all over again? I’ll let you draw your own conclusions on that one. Do you really think you stand a chance on US soil? Do you really think it would be smart to poke that bear? Remember, never bite the hand that feeds you.

    Remember we are armed to the teeth in the US and I can promise you this… the Geneva Conventions will not apply to you. You attack us and there will be no mercy. We will bring the righteous hand of God down upon you and crush you. The ball is in your court now ISIS. We are more than ready to arrange your so called “meeting” with your 72 virgins and send you to your “prophet” Mohamed.”

    – Nick Powers

    http://warfighterfoundation.wordpress.com/2014/08/16/a-subtle-message-to-isis/

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  56. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    ‘Why on earth would the US spend hundreds of billions (or trillions?) and 10 years warring in Iraq so that an evil ragtag group like ISIS can roll on in and setup a new hotspot for training terrorists.’
    That’s a very good question. Remind me again why the US invaded Iraq.

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  57. iMP (2,385 comments) says:

    You’re behind the 8-ball Milky; the US is close to invading Syria next. Iraq is passé. Keep up.

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  58. Southern Raider (1,829 comments) says:

    Fletch

    The biggest point this vet misses out is that ISIS has been fighting against poor villagers who if they are lucky have on gun and knife to defend the whole community.

    Look at the gun ownership rates in the USA and most have several types for each including military weapons.

    Even more important I’ve been to gun ranges in the US and people don’t just buy guns to keep them under the bed. They routinely practice firing them and they are very good at it.

    Plus the US have an extremely large and well trained group of reservists who are spread throughout every small town to the largest cities and could self organise with a few hours notice.

    In essence if ISIS tried to rise up in the US they would be fucked

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  59. Fletch (6,389 comments) says:

    ‘Why on earth would the US spend hundreds of billions (or trillions?) and 10 years warring in Iraq so that an evil ragtag group like ISIS can roll on in and setup a new hotspot for training terrorists.’

    Ask Obama; he is the one who lost a war that the U.S had already won. All that effort, gone to waste and for nothing.

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  60. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    White slavery was originally used, I believe, to refer to the enslavement of Europeans…

    Thank you. And it still refers to that. If there’s a bunch of ignorant asshats using it to refer to sex slavery or human trafficking in general, that’s not my fault. I did Stringer the courtesy of assuming he wasn’t an ignorant asshat, but am willing to have RightNow and Kimble demonstrate how he actually is one.

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  61. tom hunter (4,843 comments) says:

    I wonder if anybody in ISIS have any knowledge of history outside of Islamic texts?

    For example, if you set up a “state”, with all the various accoutrements like towns and cities and military bases and so forth, you’re basically creating a so-called “target-rich” environment.

    While they’re cutting the heads of journalists have they considered the likelihood that the West still has people in it – people perhaps still civilians or simply unknown, low-level members of Western military forces – who think like “Bomber” Harris or Curtis LeMay?

    There are still those in the West, many in fact, who will hold back from such things. But the longer this goes on the quieter those voices will become and the more savage will be the West’s response. It would seem the Jihadists just don’t believe that, any more than did the Nazis and Japanese Imperialists.

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  62. EAD (1,086 comments) says:

    This article tends to back up Pikes letter to Manzinni and its WWIII prediction

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/wiping-out-the-christians-of-syria-and-iraq-to-remap-the-mid-east-prerequisite-to-a-clash-of-civilizations-ii/5394356

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  63. kowtow (8,475 comments) says:

    My guess is there will be air strikes against IS in Syria.There would be no point kicking shit out of them in northern Iraq and allow them to have a safe haven in Syria.

    The US won’t do it, the US chief of their armed forces said as much today. I believe he was hinting that some other ally might do it.

    The French might. They have form for invasions in west Africa ( no one seems to mind ,only when the Yanks do)In fact the Frogs should ,they’ve paid IS millions in ransom for hostages and that’s another huge problem. Maybe the Jordanians,but someone has to.

    We must also not ignore the fact that German ministers have claimed Qatar has been funding the IS too.

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  64. kowtow (8,475 comments) says:

    For an insight into the IS world in Syria here’s a you tube doco from an outfit called Vice News. Interesting.

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  65. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    globalresearch: moonbat alert.

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  66. OneTrack (3,104 comments) says:

    mike – “And you think that ISIS taking over the world is a realistic prospect? ”

    The way the progressive west outright refuses to even accept there might be an issue and blames the US anyway, yes, it is a realistic prospect.

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  67. EAD (1,086 comments) says:

    Dismissing an article without reading it: Ignoramus alert

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  68. kowtow (8,475 comments) says:

    southern raider

    Have a look at the doco I’ve posted. Near Raqqa IS cut off a detachment of Syrian troops and beseiged them.They had o be supplied by airdrop by regime forces. Eventually they over came that garrison and beheaded survivors.They also routed the Iraqi army in northern Iraq and with other Sunnis hold much of the Sunni heartland of iraq. I don’t doubt their morale is very high as would be their own opinion of their strengths.

    The west really needs to get the fuckers with a massive and sustained air assault.Those vehicle convoys would be ideal targets.Could probably take out 50 % of them if planned and executed properly.

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  69. cha (4,017 comments) says:

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  70. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    We should just get the Jews to nuke them so Obummer could use plausible deniability while he supplied enough special ordinance to Netanyahu to get the job done once and for all! :)

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  71. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    The oil will be fine after a few months! :)

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  72. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    The Iranians, Chinese and Putin’s team would go “gulp” and reassess their strategy. Folks like that respect force! :)

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  73. Kimble (4,440 comments) says:

    If there’s a bunch of ignorant asshats using it to refer to sex slavery or human trafficking in general, that’s not my fault.

    Suck it up, Milt. It isn’t a rabble of internet yahoos using the term this way. It is abso-fucking-lutely everybody other than you and MikeM.

    You fucked up. You were wr-wr-wr-wr…wr-ooong! An honest person admits it and moves on.

    How many other discredited and erroneous positions do you still cling to?

    All of them?

    Have you ever given up a wrong idea?

    Do you believe in wrong things accidentally, or do you seek them out? Does something have to be proven wrong BEFORE you will champion it? That would actually explain a lot.

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  74. flipper (4,065 comments) says:

    I sent a copy of this post to a good friend, a former Oxford Don. His response, milky one and the like, is worthy of note:

    “The Empire encountered this sort of thing from time to time, the most infamous example being, I suppose, the ‘thugies’, from whom we get our word ‘thugs’. The response then was swift and condign, and didn’t have much to do with ‘due process’. Where fundamentalist Muslims were the perpetrators, execution was preceded by defilement with pig’s blood. It was reported as having had a remarkably sobering influence on the enthusiasm of co-religionists of otherwise similar inclination. No longer 27 virgins for all eternity, one supposes! “

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  75. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    Minus must be out on the piss tonight! :)

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  76. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    Here you go flipper:

    http://myths.answers.com/government/the-muslim-pig-burial-myth-of-general-pershing

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  77. Odakyu-sen (653 comments) says:

    2014 ISIS mindset: “Those decadent, weak Westerners will cave in to us. They haven’t got the guts to fight.”

    1940: Dai-Nippon Teikoku Rikugun: “The US is a weak nation, populated by degenerate and lazy civilians.”
    1940: Nihon Kaigun: “We have to beat these guys within 6 months, or we’re screwed.”
    1940: Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs: “Attack America? Are you out of your f@cking mind!?”

    (At least the Ministry had a clue, even if the navy only had half a clue. The imperial army, on the other hand, had no clues whatsoever.)

    So, does the ISIS have a clue? a fraction of a clue? or is clueless and had no idea of what kind of game it could be getting itself into?

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  78. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    Odakyu-sen…… You missed out.

    1945: Mayor of Hiroshima: “What the fuck was that?” :)

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  79. tom hunter (4,843 comments) says:

    And who can forget the clown who uttered these statements:

    “Don’t worry, the Americans can’t build planes, only electric ice boxes and razor blades”

    “No enemy bomber can reach the Ruhr. If one reaches the Ruhr, my name is not Goering. You may call me Meyer.”

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  80. Odakyu-sen (653 comments) says:

    Johnboy,

    Senkichi Awaya (The mayor of Hiroshima) died in the blast, and was probably one of the good guys. He was one of the key figures in the historic clash between the Japanese police and the Imperial Japanese Army in 1933.[2] (Some very bad stuff went down in western Honshu around that time in the early 1930s, and unfortunately, the army got the upper hand over the formidable Japanese police.)

    He is also known for his Christian activity in the Nonchurch movement and close relationship with its early leaders.[3]

    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senkichi_Awaya

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  81. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    He did fuckall to save the shot down American bomber crews from the Jap scum Odakyu-sen!

    From Wikipedia….”Treatment of prisoners of war
    See also: Japanese war crimes
    A captured American survivor of a shot-down B-29 crew, July 1945.

    Many of the Allied airmen who were captured after being shot down over Japan were mistreated. On 8 September 1944, the Cabinet of Japan directed that indiscriminate bombing constituted a war crime[202] despite the fact there was no international treaty or instrument protecting a civilian population specifically from attack by aircraft at the time.[203] As a result, captured Allied airmen were subject to trial and possible execution[204] although the rules of war stipulates that only soldiers who engaged in combat or carry out acts of sabotage or espionage wearing enemy uniforms or civilian clothes behind enemy lines can be punished.[205][206] The frequency of such executions differed between military districts, however. While no airmen were executed in the Tōbu district (eastern Musashi), which included Tokyo, those captured in the Tōkai, Chūbu and Seibu (western Musashi) districts were sometimes killed after a brief trial or summarily executed by the Kempeitai (“Military Police Corps”).[207] For instance, 33 American airmen were killed by IJA personnel at Fukuoka, including 15 who were beheaded shortly after the Japanese Government’s intention to surrender was announced on 15 August.[208] Mobs of civilians also killed several Allied airmen before the Japanese military arrived to take the men into custody.[209] In addition to these killings, most captured B-29 crewmen were brutally interrogated by the Kempeitai.[210]

    Of the approximately 545 Allied airmen who were captured in the Japanese home islands (excluding the Kuril and Bonin Islands), 132 were executed and 29 were killed by civilians. Another 94 airmen died from other causes while in Japanese custody, including 52 who were killed when they were deliberately left in a prison in Tokyo during the 25/26 May raid on the city.[211][212] Between six[213] and eight[214] US airmen shot down on 5 May were subjected to vivisection at the Kyushu Imperial University; Professor Ishiyama Fukujirō and other doctors conducted four such sessions throughout May and early June. The Western Military Command assisted in arranging these operations.[214] Many of the Japanese personnel responsible for the deaths of Allied airmen were prosecuted in the Yokohama War Crimes Trials following the war. Several of those found guilty were executed and the remainder were imprisoned.[215]

    Pity he didn’t die slowly from radiation sickness really! :)

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  82. hj (7,021 comments) says:

    Spoonley on Islamaccordingtohimphobia
    http://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/about-massey/news/article.cfm?mnarticle_uuid=8A63F2FF-ECFF-BD1F-BC3F-49C2D57D5F04

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  83. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Pyscho meltdown:

    White slavery was originally used, I believe, to refer to the enslavement of Europeans…

    Thank you. And it still refers to that.

    Why would you think that for something written in 2014? Are you just offence seekers?
    What do you think gay means?

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  84. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    I really want to know who mikenmild is, by sight, in case I ever need to throw the appeaser to a beheader.

    You’ll be the first to be offered as a delaying tactic mikey, I’ll have no hesitation throwing you to the jihadists.
    I have no empathy with you that might influence me to save your life over mine or my family.
    Love you xox

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  85. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    It isn’t a rabble of internet yahoos using the term this way.

    Actually, yes it is. Rather like the differences between less and fewer/much and many/bought and brought have disappeared for abso-fucking-lutely everybody except those who give a shit what words actually mean. Mass idiocy remains idiocy. If I were somehow to popularise usage of the word ‘homosexual’ to mean ‘right-winger’ among the rabble of internet yahoos, the actual meaning of the word would remain known to non-idiots.

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  86. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Yes pinheads dance. Dance on the head of a pin.

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  87. labrator (1,850 comments) says:

    @psycho milt I think your argument is terrific. In the original, only an idiot would interpret it any other, way.

    1660-70; < Latin terrificus frightening, equivalent to terr (ēre) to frighten + -i- -i- + -ficus -fic

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  88. Kimble (4,440 comments) says:

    Actually, yes it is.

    Actually, no it isn’t.

    http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/white-slavery
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/white-slave
    http://definitions.uslegal.com/w/white-slavery/
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/white%20slavery
    http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/white_slavery

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  89. soundhill1 (234 comments) says:

    “Can journalists and Europeans function or even visit Muslim nations after this?”
    contrasted with
    “The jihadists are using innocent Europeans and Muslims who do not subscribe to their narrow religious cult with heinous brutality”

    I get worried by the conflating of jihadists and Muslims. It’s like having had a go at those of Gaza who want territory, the plan is to go after other Muslims. There’s been talk about going after Iran for a long time, with the big nuclear beat up, and the Muslim suggestion. The Iranian Muslims tend to be Shias of the type punished by Jihadis, I think. Iran is quite advanced. The percentage of women doctors has become so much larger than men over the last few decades that a quota for men has been proposed.

    Some takes on the Gaza war which indicate a deceptive beat up?:
    This is take from a half-Jewish woman who is feeling the sting of anti-Jewish sentiment in Canada, even. Out of deep searching she has to consider conspiracy as a possible cause. Her husband she is with has slow speech, somewhat disabled in wheelchair I think. Two short videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&list=UU-sgHphfnBhikBxyF2GbMdw&v=TagTtiSaPZI https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UU-sgHphfnBhikBxyF2GbMdw&v=qWuMkVfjQU0&feature=player_detailpage

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  90. stephieboy (3,078 comments) says:

    Fletch (6,104 comments) says:
    August 22nd, 2014 at 6:40 pm
    ‘Why on earth would the US spend hundreds of billions (or trillions?) and 10 years warring in Iraq so that an evil ragtag group like ISIS can roll on in and setup a new hotspot for training terrorists.’

    “Ask Obama; he is the one who lost a war that the U.S had already won. All that effort, gone to waste and for nothing.”

    That is a barefaced lie.!

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  91. stephieboy (3,078 comments) says:

    and GWB’s now infamous “Mission Accomplished” speech Iraq,

    http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/press-past/2013/05/01/the-other-symbol-of-george-w-bushs-legacy

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  92. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    Isis is fucked, they can only cause trouble in Iraq and Syria.
    Think Isis is going to invade Turkey or Iran, that would be biting off more than they can chew.

    US citizens are all armed with military type weapons, GPMGs and 81 mortars with a tonne of HE and WP bombs stored in the basement ? think they can take the US Marines, well the best of luck with that.

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  93. yankdownunder (31 comments) says:

    Another jouralist beheaded, but that is not the worst that is has done. Human slaughterhouses, human sacrifices, dictitorial rule…
    The hamas huggers would be the first to be done away with by hamas if hamas could get their hands on them.
    I find that sad yet slightly amusing, in a “what were they thinking” way.
    Your “liberal” ways are what is wants to do away with.

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