Idiots in Invercargill

August 5th, 2014 at 1:00 pm by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

They may be faking it but e-cigarette smokers could soon be tarred with the same brush as real smokers.

has been asked to consider forcing e-cigarette smokers to stub out their electronic devices as part of its smokefree policy. But a ban on e-cigarettes in parks, reserves and playgrounds is taking political correctness too far, a councillor says.

Councillor and community services committee chairman Lindsay Abbott said he was not happy with the recommendation.

“How politically correct do we get?” Abbott quipped from his chair at the community services committee meeting yesterday.

A smoking habit was harder to kick than a heroin habit, he said. “Smokers are already legislated against harshly.”

Community development manager Mary Napper recommended the use of e-cigarettes be included in relevant council policies.

The use of e-cigarettes continued to normalise smoking, she said.

“It reinforces the practice of smoking as being acceptable and normal. This is of particular concern as it can contribute to young people taking up smoking.”

There was no research available that confirmed e-cigarettes led to young people taking up smoking, however, public health units were keen to normalise smokefree and so were recommending that these products be excluded in relevant policies, she said.

My God, they’re morons. E-cigarettes are what people use to get themselves out of smoking. They are not a gateway into smoking. No teenager decides to start using e-cigarettes. They are what people use to quit smoking, and they don’t kill their users like does.

But the idiots in Invercargill want to ban them. God save us from these people.

Councillor Lindsay Thomas said e-cigarettes were developed to help people quit smoking. Going cold turkey was very hard so banning the use of e-cigarettes in outdoor areas would not help those trying to quit, he said.

Sensible man.

In May, End Smoking New Zealand chairman Dr Murray Laugesen told The Southland Times normalising smoking was not going to kill people, but smoking a real cigarette would kill people, “in fact, it would kill one in two people”, he said.

Laugesen is NZ’s most experienced researcher on anti-smoking research and policy. He has found e-cigarettes are 100 to 1,000 times safer than normal cigarettes.

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24 Responses to “Idiots in Invercargill”

  1. JMS (330 comments) says:

    Interesting, but unsurprising, that the world’s dumbest ideas always seem to come from government.

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  2. Peter (1,712 comments) says:

    And so what if people want to take up e-cigarettes?

    Perhaps I’m missing something, but isn’t the point of the anti-smoking campaign that smoking (tobacco) causes cancer? If e-cigarettes don’t cause cancer, because they are tobacco free, then what’s the problem with smoking them?

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  3. kowtow (8,469 comments) says:

    What about the Notional party and plain packaging?

    More idiocy.

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  4. Mark (1,488 comments) says:

    How can you administer a smoking ban on something that does not produce smoke? Seems like the council officers in Invercargill might be smoking something themselves.

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  5. RRM (9,919 comments) says:

    “It reinforces the practice of smoking as being acceptable and normal.

    Thanks Mary, I am so glad we have you here to tell us what is acceptable and what is unacceptable.

    :neutral: No, not really. That was just my little joke.

    You are a turd on the sole of society’s shoe.

    Get lost.

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  6. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    They’ve banned them entirely in Western Australia, even the ones with zero nicotine that are evidently flavoured with fruit.

    So the other day I walked into my friend’s shed and there is one of his teenage sons and his friends, all sitting round “smoking” a hookah filled with some sort of fruity concoction. They’re trying to give up smoking and with e-cigarettes banned they’ve adapted, as humans always will.

    I wait the appearance of the omniscient Ms Napper to tell us, in a tremulous voice, just what the use of an “e-hookah” can supposedly lead to.

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  7. gump (1,647 comments) says:

    This is a great example of why good policy decisions need to be evidence based.

    Policy shouldn’t be based on “feels”.

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  8. greybeard (61 comments) says:

    Presumably if I walk around an Invercargill park with my unlit pipe in my mouth I will be arrested ?

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  9. jawnbc (85 comments) says:

    Developed to help people quit smoking? What planet do you live on DF? They’re developed for marketing purposes only.

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  10. alwyn (424 comments) says:

    The real problem isn’t that the e-cigarettes might hurt you. The real objection to them by the burgher’s from the deep south is that you might ENJOY the nicotine hit.
    As good Presbyterians, of the truly puritan variety, that is their greatest fear. Enjoyment is forbidden.

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  11. mara (784 comments) says:

    jawnbc, why can they not be both? They are a fantastic way to stop smoking. Got a problem with that?

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  12. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    “They’re developed for marketing purposes only.”
    Then their development purpose has been superseded.

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  13. RRM (9,919 comments) says:

    They’re developed for marketing purposes only.

    Because people making products that displace real cigarettes should do it for FREE, dammit. For LOVE.

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  14. RRM (9,919 comments) says:

    And Christ, you’d have to be smoking something to want to be in Invercargill.

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  15. Peter (1,712 comments) says:

    They’re developed for marketing purposes only.

    “Marketing” is not hypnosis. It’s near impossible to sell something people don’t want. Try selling “I Love David Cunliffe” t-shirts, for example. No matter how many billions you throw at marketing such shirts, you’ll sell precisely one.

    E-cigarettes sell because they meet a need.

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  16. Armotur (34 comments) says:

    With luck we may find that the Council has more sense than this stupid, stupid woman.
    Her recommendation beggars belief! I wonder how many other loopy ideas she has recommended to her council.

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  17. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    “Developed to help people quit smoking? What planet do you live on DF? They’re developed for marketing purposes only.”

    Unlike you he lives on planet earth.

    That is total bullshit.

    The first e-cig was a guy in his garage fooling around with a torch. The idea was initially taken up by DIY types looking for an alternative to cancer sticks. It then grew mostly through small businesses that were started by people wanting to quit.

    Large corporations did not come into the industry until there was already a growing market, and today the best manufacturers of e-liquids are small businesses in the US, not corporations.

    The e-cig revolution was and largely still is grassroots capitalism, not corporate marketing.

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  18. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    Thankful this is only one unqualified idiot, and we are lucky in NZ that there are people who have been researching e-cigs who can counter her stupidity.

    Ironically NZ’s anti-smoking groups are in favor of e-cigs, and they have a lot of political clout.

    Damn well makes me bloody mad though.

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  19. Kimble (4,438 comments) says:

    The fight against e-cigarettes is an effort to punish naughty people, not protect others.

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  20. mara (784 comments) says:

    If the anti-smoking lot really cared about public health, they would be loudly cheering the e-ciggie phenomenon, not trying to shut it down. After all vaping is infinitely less harmful than smoking anything. If the anti poverty types really cared about poor people, they would understand that vaping is greatly cheaper than cigarettes. Hell, there may even be more dosh left to feed and clothe the kiddies and maybe fewer houses would burn down. I could vape in an airline toilet(no smoke remember) and the next user might notice a faint scent of tutti fruitti or chocolatte. What you gonna do ….. dial 111! FFS. !

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  21. beautox (422 comments) says:

    These folks were elected to take people’s rubbish and shit away, but they are deluded enough to think they can enforce random rules on the population. Why (most) politicians are scum in a nutshell.

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  22. transmogrifier (522 comments) says:

    Well, they are certainly trying to normalize the making of shit decisions, anyway.

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  23. Hair Removal Specialist (80 comments) says:

    I wish these idiots would just $&@$ off. Let’s not give people any choice and completely regulate what they may or may not do in their own good time /sarc. Aaaaaaaaaargh. Why are there so many busy body %@$wits in this world.

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  24. mara (784 comments) says:

    If you are gasping for a fag and can’t have one, let me know. I will tell you how to do it..

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