Key Derangement Syndrome continues

August 26th, 2014 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

has been the most centrist moderate National Prime Minister in the history of the National Party. While he has implemented a centre-right agenda, it has been more center than right.

Take the current policy offerings. The big news in the Budget was free healthcare for under 13s. The big news in the policy launch was taxpayer funded grants for aspiring home owners. Also National is going into the election saying there will be no further partial (or full) asset sales, and National is not even promising tax cuts.

Yes there are differences to Labour. Labour will try and nationalise a few industries, and give unions heaps more power. But the point I am making is that the policies of John Key are not hard right, not extreme. He is not a Thatcher or Richardson.

Which makes the hatred and hysteria against him from some on the left so inexplicable. They chant FU Key. They burn him in effigy. They plaster anti-Semitic slogans on his billboards and now they even have a song about killing him, and even worse having sex with daughter. This is a level of hatred that I have not seen before.

And why all the hatred? Because he gave free healthcare to under 13s? Grants for home buyers? The hatred can not rationally be linked to the fairly moderate policies he has pursued. My conclusion is that it is just because he is from the wrong party, and he is blocking their preferred people from power.

Stuff reports:

An Auckland hip-hop crew have released a song with lyrics that threaten to kill Prime Minister John Key and have sex with his daughter.

Kill The PM, by @peace, depicts a golfing, luxury car-driving Key, and says he should die – “ain’t doin’ nothin’ so I’m gonna kill the prime minister”.

It continues: “I been tryin’ to get a job but they got none/so I instead I got a sawnoff shotgun/and ‘pop’.”

The crew is fronted by , formerly of Homebrew, along with Lui Tuiasau, Christoph “El Truento” James and Hayden “Dick Dastardly” Dick.

In the leadup to the 2011 election, Homebrew released a track attacking tax cuts for the rich and a low minimum wage.

The latest offering also refers to having sex with Key’s daughter, Stephanie.

I recall one female Labour MP saying how much she adores Homebrew. This was when they put out anti Key songs and calling him a c**t. Now that one of the band members (now independent) has moved on from hatred to actual encouraging violence, will anyone from Labour condemn them?

And to include Key’s daughter in the song is beyond vile.

Kill the PM, which is available for download, is also being hosted on Internet Party founder Kim Dotcom’s file-sharing site Mega.

Last month, Dotcom encouraged a crowd at Internet’s “party party” in Wellington to chant: “F… John Key.”

@peace received $6000 in funding from NZ On Air last month to make a music video for their track Gravity.

So wonderful that our taxes go on supporting this band.

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185 Responses to “Key Derangement Syndrome continues”

  1. Rich Prick (1,647 comments) says:

    That’s really low rent. And we paid $6,000 for it. Is this the “rape culture” the left were recently banging on about, or is it “OK when they do it”? This is the left, revealed in all its glory.

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  2. Brian Smaller (4,036 comments) says:

    As I said in GD. It’s only wrong when the Centre-Right does it.

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  4. Redbaiter (8,234 comments) says:

    “My conclusion is that it is just because he is from the wrong party, and he is blocking their preferred people from power.”

    That’s actually a pretty valid assessment.

    In the years that the Key faction has been ascendant at National, we have seen the party drift further and further to the left, so that the Nats are now virtually a subset of the progressive paradigm that used to be Labour’s territory.

    Consequently we are now just seeing two left wing factions fighting for power, and that is why its all so squalid and dirty.

    Vote Conservative if you want an alternative and to turn things around. Both left wingers Labour and National hate them, so they must be worth something.

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  5. radvad (733 comments) says:

    Just to confirm Mighty Kites, you support those who advocate murder and rape right?

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  6. Lance (2,613 comments) says:

    Maybe this is living proof that too much weed and/or ‘P’ causes irreversible brain damage?

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  7. SW (237 comments) says:

    Did you ever speak out about things said about Helen Clark David?

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  8. MT_Tinman (3,092 comments) says:

    John Key has been the most centrist moderate National Prime Minister in the history of the National Party. While he has implemented a centre-right agenda, it has been more center than right.

    There I believe lies the reason for the left’s nastiness.

    Key has stolen all their acceptable policies.

    To be a leftie as an adult you need to be deranged (I prefer the far better description “f&#$ed in the head”.) and thick.

    That and being out-manoeuvred by the opposition and nutters will always go feral – they’re not bright enough to fight any other way.

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  9. wf (413 comments) says:

    They rant and abuse because they CAN! There are no checks on our young people, and they can indulge in all the vulgarity and shock talk that they can think of without being called to account.

    They remind me of the tagger who, when asked why he did it, said it was because he wanted to become famous. Local notoriety is clearly a desirable goal.

    I think it’s very important to remember that more mature people just shrug their shoulders and ignore them. (And can you imagine what an uproar the Rolling Stones et al would have caused if we’d had Facebook and the internet back then? )

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  10. burt (8,173 comments) says:

    It’s simply not fair that National don’t fund the struggling artists as well as Labour did. These people obviously like it when the country goes into recession and lots of people lose their jobs – that’s the only explanation as to why they support Labour.

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  11. radvad (733 comments) says:

    Just another example of the hate and intolerance of the left.
    Key should show some leadership here and call out the politics of hate that has emerged. Effigies, anti Semitism, chanting drunks, illegal hacking and now calls for murder and rape (surely that is a crime) put us on the path to a banana republic. Key should condemn it and challenge all party leaders to do so also. Failure to do so leaves the haters free to continue.

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  12. Redbaiter (8,234 comments) says:

    I have said it before, Slater is just another left winger, and his main differences with the people at Labour are basically just economics.

    The Key faction brought Progressive politics to the National Party and they turned their backs on their Conservative roots.

    The right wing needs progressives like Slater and Key etc like it needs a hole in its head. They’re left wing in their basic make up, that is the problem, and they’ll never understand the Conservatism that the Nats once stood for.

    The CP is by no means perfect, but it can have the effect of limiting the Progressive influence (Slater and Key etc) within National.

    Look at the influence the Maori Party has had on govt since Key unnecessarily teamed up with it. The CP can have the same influence but in a much more positive way. We must start on the long road of removing progressive influences from our culture and our govt and the CP is the first step down this road.

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  13. Rich Prick (1,647 comments) says:

    SW, typical diversion from the present. So far as I can recall there were no taxpayer-funded songs about killing Helen Clark nor raping her theoretical daughter. But by your comment we are left to presume you think this is OK.

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  14. wiseowl (857 comments) says:

    Would have thought he is more centre -left hence the hatred.Clearly taken the ground from under their feet.

    The Conservative Party are moving in to what was National territory and their list is looking better by the day.

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  15. Kimble (4,443 comments) says:

    Did you ever speak out about things said about Helen Clark David?

    Oh SW, you stupid pedophile.

    Yes, DPF did speak out about things said about Helen Clark.

    You are just assuming he didn’t because hypocrisy comes so naturally to you and yours, that you think everyone else must also be as ethically challenged.

    Lets turn it around on you; Did you ever speak out about things said about Don Brash SW?

    Just because you didn’t, doesn’t mean DPF must be as morally hollow as you are. I know, that hurts. Because it flies in the face of your other psychological crutch; your presumed natural superiority to anyone you label “right”.

    How much of your feeling of self-worth comes from the delusion that you are better than other people?

    Actually, better question. How much DOESN’T?

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  16. tom hunter (4,653 comments) says:

    Which makes the hatred and hysteria against him from some on the left so inexplicable.

    You surely know history better than to be surprised by this:

    The simplicity of the logic is this: if you disagree with Lenin and the Bolsheviks, even if you are a Marxist, you must really be a capitalist. The brutality of the logic is even simpler: you must be destroyed as a more dangerous thing than an avowed capitalist.

    Inexplicable? Not at all.

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  17. Redbaiter (8,234 comments) says:

    What you people condemning the attacks on Key from the extreme left have to think about is that the less left but enthusiastically Progressive Slater’s behaviour has given them licence to act this way.

    You cannot condemn one and cheer on the other.

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  19. Keeping Stock (10,253 comments) says:

    Freedom of speech is one thing, but this is pretty explicit in both the threat to kill John Key (“I’m gonna kill the Prime Minister”) and in the references to Steffi Key.

    Dragging politicians’ family members into the political debate goes way beyond the pale IMHO.

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  20. Inthisdress (173 comments) says:

    Heard this last night. Heard Charlotte Ryan ‘ self confessed ‘token lefty-girl’ on kiwi FM discussing it worried that she might ‘Totally get told off by her boss’, trying to sound 14 but chronologically closer to 40, lapping up the ‘hard-core’. Like I said it was like limp celery next to any number of Public Enemy tracks. It lacked the lyrical syncopation of Busta Rhymes, had some elements of LL Cool J’s diction, but didn’t really share the quality of voice, and had none of the slick production of Dr. Dre, no even the wit of Eminen, or the humour of Snoop.

    My point being if Charlotte Ryan, instead of gushing over the radical hard-core quality of ‘all the great hip-hop’- had actually reviewed it as a piece of music, and dropped some actual evidence that she knew about hip-hop, instead of begging her boss to let her play it on the basis that it was ‘shocking’ she might have been doing her job as someone who we are supposed to take seriously as a music critic. On the bright side the fashion interview that immediately followed that, was riveting…

    Ps teh beat was not ‘phat’ and the riff was a rip-off of the Temptations, but shoddily re-constituted to avoid copyright infringement in every respect, it was a lightweight offering.

    But what would I know, being old and stuff.

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  22. waikatogirl (154 comments) says:

    These talentless anti-social crap hip-hop bums get tax payer money for social-terrorism!!!!!!!! Is there any wonder they don’t get a real job when they are given hand-outs for total rubbish.
    Where are the realities of life for these low-life guys! There is a society of expectation and a Nasty response from these shits when they don’t get their own way. Don’t they realize they need to change their attitude, become part of society instead of expecting to live above society because they are special! News flash: employers won’t employ you if you have this huge attitude of expectation – we don’t want to deal with your drama…

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  23. Pete George (23,417 comments) says:

    This raises the abusive tone to a level most people will find totally unacceptable.

    Wait to see all those who have condemned ‘dirty politics’ to condemn this as well, it’s as vile as anything I’ve seen.

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  24. Razorlight (52 comments) says:

    Whale has got into trouble for using the words feral and scum.

    But are there any other words that better describe these “musicians” sucking off the public teat.

    @peace you are Feral Scum

    Take your rape/murder lyrics and fuck off

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  25. burt (8,173 comments) says:

    Judith

    Yes it’s sad when people need to work for a living. Socialism is so much better when we can all get handouts and live like celebrities on other peoples money.

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  26. Pete George (23,417 comments) says:

    My conclusion is that it is just because he is from the wrong party, and he is blocking their preferred people from power.

    It’s more general than that.

    It’s common on political forums that if you are perceived to be not from the preferred faction you are deemed an enemy and anything goes in attacking you.

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  27. Redbaiter (8,234 comments) says:

    You’re right Waikatogirl but no one is ending that message.

    That is why I no longer support the National Party. They are responsible for sending that message but they have capitulated almost completely to progressive cultural influences, caved in and now send a message that is indistinguishable from Labour.

    You’re seeing an inter-left factional fight for power, not an election with two clear choices.

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  28. Nick R (503 comments) says:

    Pot kettle black. After the decade or more of Clark (or should that be Klark) derangement syndrome we have experienced, this was to be expected.

    There are idiots on both sides of the political spectrum and I don’t think that either side is in any position to level accusations at the other.

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  29. Judith (8,530 comments) says:

    @ burt (7,969 comments) says:
    August 26th, 2014 at 10:39 am

    She is doing more than working for a living Burt. She’s working longer hours than most and studying with the intention of being able to get even higher paying jobs. She was called a ‘great employee’ however, because her boss doesn’t have to pay more, he keeps all his staff on the minimum, despite having a very successful business.

    Now John Key tells us that the minimum wage has to stay low, and that bosses will pass profits down to good workers – but this is generally not happening. The wages stay low, regardless of how much effort a person is making in their job.
    They eventually stop trying, which this young woman is thinking of doing – she is probably with her studies working 80 hours – and yet can’t afford any more now, than she could four years ago – and is now doubting that even with qualifications, her life will improve.

    The main point is Burt – this young lady had/has an excellent work ethic, that is slowly being eroded into a bad work ethic – and that is causing her distress, which she is now targeting on the government.

    We are meant to be building a good work ethic in our young – not destroying it.

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  30. flipper (3,915 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (7,905 comments) says:

    August 26th, 2014 at 10:27 am

    I have said it before ….
    ******

    Red and those of similar persuasion …

    It has long been accepted by most that diplomacy is “the art of the possible”, has it not?

    That also applies to politics.

    There are many J Key/W English et al policies that I would change to a much more conservative position.
    But faced with what the likely elected alternative, I will happily (well, reluctantly) settle for J Key’s prescription.

    So, to quote Lyndon B. Johnson …
    “It’s probably better to have him inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in. ”

    The MP has had some success with that philosophy. So has ACT. So has P Dunne.
    Understand?

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  31. Jack5 (5,004 comments) says:

    Dirty politics? No worry, Dame Anne Salmond declares a Royal Commission will fix it.

    This is the woman who put oral history on a par with written history and was last year’s Kiwibank New Zealander of the Year.

    Salmond writes in the Hooerald today nothing of the anti-Jewish rants in the electoral campaign, nothing of the often revolting billboard smears, nothing of the burgling and theft of private emails, nothing of the intrusion into NZ politics of a foreigner proud of having electronically sabotaged the credit details of an overseas prime minister, nothing of the “fuck you” chants of the Canterbury students – students often, perhaps mostly, at the university because of loans from taxpayers rich and poor, nothing of Horrible the Hager’s distortions of and extrapolations from stolen information, nothing of the general hatred DPF writes of above.

    Instead Salmond writes:

    What’s needed is a truly independent and high-level inquiry (perhaps a royal commission) to investigate the internal workings of government in New Zealand.

    However, it’s not just Hager the Horrible and the electronic criminals who are the cause of the extreme emotions being shown in this election. From the Left and centre and in the MSM we have appeasers of the tactics DPF writes about above. Among these appeasers, or beside them, we have the intellectually misguided, like Salmond.

    Salmond’s article in the Hooerald:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/election-2014/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503581&objectid=11314367

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  32. Psycho Milt (2,401 comments) says:

    Wait to see all those who have condemned ‘dirty politics’ to condemn this as well…

    It’s amazing the number of people who supposedly interest themselves for politics but still don’t appear to have a clue what that book was actually about.

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  33. RightNow (6,961 comments) says:

    I don’t think Nicky Hager has a clue what that book was about Milk.

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  34. wiseowl (857 comments) says:

    Judith.
    Refusing to pay more than the minimum wage is most likely because they cannot afford to. Small businesses are trapped as well where they struggle to battle with rules and regulations taxes and everything else so don’t blame them.

    The whole approach to our economic management needs a total rethink.

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  35. Redbaiter (8,234 comments) says:

    “It has long been accepted by most that diplomacy is “the art of the possible”, has it not?”

    What the hell has “diplomacy” got to do with it?

    Your part of a POLITICAL party and that means you have core beliefs that you do not give up.

    Diplomacy???

    All you’ve done for decades is wave the white flag you useless compromisers.

    Want to defend against that accusation? Give me one example of damaging left wing policy passed by Labour that National have turned back.

    Remember when Key in opposition called WFF “communism by stealth??”

    Now he embraces it.

    That’s not ‘diplomacy”, or the “art of what is possible”, its complete damn capitulation.

    Stop making excuses for failure and show some damn guts and commitment, but first of all, FFS FIND SOMETHING TO BELIEVE IN…!!!!

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  36. tom hunter (4,653 comments) says:

    And then there’s this:

    And to include Key’s daughter in the song is beyond vile.

    During the first gusts of the Hager shitstorm a few days ago, I pointed out to the usual suspects at The Dim Post that their entire act of red-faced, finger-wagging moral righteousness was a facade, based on just recent history. Danyl had written that Slater and company …

    … spend their lives trying to poison and contaminate our politics. They enjoy seeing people suffer. They get excited by the idea of breaking up the marriages of their political enemies and ruining their lives. And John Key stands up and bleats about how everything they do is fine, and the people on the left are the nasty ones.

    I invited them to

    cast your mind back to the halcyon days of 2008, where the bright shining torch of Hope and Change was carefully held above the sewer of Palin Derangement Syndrome, where nothing was too ugly to be avoided, not even Down Syndrome kids, “hate fucking” her on the pages of Playboy, aborting her on feminist blogs and questioning the paternity of her latest child on the pages of The Atlantic – the latter claim pushed relentlessly by a man still avidly read by the current US President.

    I guess asking whether she had a sugar daddy would have been a step too far.

    Danyl had also written this:

    Slater was delighted when the earthquake hit Christchurch, killed 185 people and destroyed thousands of houses, because those people were ‘scum’ who voted Labour. That’s the guy who is close friends with the Justice Minister and a core component of National’s media strategy.

    To which I responded that

    The counterpart being Michael Moore bemoaning the fact that the Sep 11 terrorists had attacked places populated by Democrat voters, asking why they were made to suffer while the real targets in “red” country escaped. Far from suffering he flourished. His hit-job movies made him a multimiilionaire over the next few years and put him in a throne room overlooking the Democrat Party convention, right beside Jimmy Carter and cheered to the rafters by the crowds below, not to mention many Democrat politicians who said nice things about the man and his movies – as did many left-wingers here in NZ.

    The response to all this was that such things happened in another country far away in a long-distant time. What did such things have to do with any of the left-wing in New Zealand in 2014. Why was I deflecting?

    To paraphrase Danyl:
    These people on the left and their proxies in the arts and media are the fucking enemy. They literally hate most of the people in the country. And Russell Brown and Danyl stand up and bleat about how everything they do is fine, and the people on the right are the nasty ones.

    Fuck them.

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  37. Jack5 (5,004 comments) says:

    Re Psycho Milt at 10.51:

    You don’t have to have read Mein Kampf to know it was deranged, nasty rubbish, either.

    Buying Hager the Horrible’s tract of extrapolations and flaky conclusions from stolen information will just feed the little scribbler’s ego.

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  38. flipper (3,915 comments) says:

    Razorlight (51 comments) says:

    August 26th, 2014 at 10:38 am

    Whale has got into trouble for using the words feral and scum.

    But are there any other words that better describe these “musicians” sucking off the public teat.

    @peace you are Feral Scum

    Take your rape/murder lyrics and fuck off
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    *****

    Well said.
    Now it would be amusing to hear NZ on Air’s justification of their $6000 grant to those toe-rag germs

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  39. labrator (1,890 comments) says:

    thePeoplesFlag is really the best parody commenter. What happened to Sir Cullen’s Sidekick?

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  40. Paulus (2,589 comments) says:

    When you look at the Standard for a laugh you can see the hatred many have for each other on this site.
    Why is it that the women appear to hate each other more than the men do – they are no violets though. ?

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  41. Julian (173 comments) says:

    Judith – there’s been a fair bit of research and critical analysis in recent years suggesting that the left is far more hostile than the right.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/harrybinswanger/2013/11/04/when-it-comes-to-hate-the-left-beats-the-right-hands-down/

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  42. Pete George (23,417 comments) says:

    Psycho Milt – I’ve read some of the book, a lot of coverage and a lot of the raw data. I think I’ve got a fairly good idea what it’s about. I condemn a lot of what has been happening as revealed by that – as I condemned it as I saw it happening before the book came out.

    And I also condemn the song. As I condemned the political promotion of the ‘fuck John Key’ chanting. And I condemn the abusiveness and bulling that’s prevalent on blogs and other political forums. These are all part of a worsening tone in our politics.

    People are at fault across the political spectrum. Pointing only a left finger or pointing only a right finger is a part of the problem.

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  43. waikatogirl (154 comments) says:

    Not all employers pay as little as they can get away with! There are employers who gladly pay Good employees what they deserve. Keep your employees well paid and happy and they, hopefully, have the incentive to work harder for you! Common sense!
    Just heard that rubbish hip-hop song. Utter crap!! Stephi Key has faaaar too much class and self-esteem to go anywhere low-life guys like those talentless wanna-be’s. So it is all just fanciful social-terrorism…

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  44. AG (1,823 comments) says:

    Which makes the hatred and hysteria against him from some on the left so inexplicable. They chant FU Key. They burn him in effigy. They plaster anti-Semitic slogans on his billboards and now they even have a song about killing him, and even worse having sex with daughter. This is a level of hatred that I have not seen before.

    Just a few comments …

    (1) This “song” is beyond the pale … don’t care about any sort of “but that’s how we young peoples talk” defence, it’s just not OK.

    (2) I’m not 100% sure that “the Left” are responsible for the anti-semetic graffiti on Key’s billboards. Not alleging that “the Right” are, just that it’s entirely possible that there’s a bunch of fucked up individuals in this world: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10841595

    (3) If you’ve never seen “this level of hatred” for a PM before, perhaps you could revisit Kiwiblog’s comment threads circa 2000-08?

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  45. RightNow (6,961 comments) says:

    labrator, I think SCS got bored with the satire since thePimpledFlag ousted him as Funniest Parody of a Shrieking Lefty.
    There’s a lot of competition lately, but SCS really set the trend.

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  46. goldnkiwi (1,246 comments) says:

    Electoral advertising provisions able to be brought to bear on this song like the other one?

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  47. georgebolwing (741 comments) says:

    While it is true that there are many on this blog and elsewhere who truly hate the Labour Party and their former leader Ms Clark; I think that “Key Derangement Syndrome” has infected many professional politicans in the wider opposition.

    I can’t recall the President of the National Party flying to another country in the last week of an election campaign convinced that there he would find documentary proof of illegal activity by the leader of the Labour Party.

    To me, Key Derangement Syndrome perfectly explains why the opposition parties are in opposition and likely to stay there. John Key is clearly not the evil person that the opposition makes out and the more they try and paint him as evil, the more they are seen by the majority of people (see key’s popularity ratings, which are consistantly over 50%) as being just stupid.

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  48. flipper (3,915 comments) says:

    Red and followers….

    Are you thick, or just pretending?

    So you would say “Fuck John Key” would you?
    And you would allow CminusT, red melon, Ms McGillicuddy, Dotslob, Harre, and Harawira, to run the country on our behalf?

    Stop your silly posturing nonsense.

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  49. Slipster (135 comments) says:

    Judith,
    First off, your anecdotes of dubious veracity don’t prove anything nor even sound convincing (try better next time).

    Even so, assuming the existence of that alleged girl, the obvious observations are:
    1. Four years in the same min wage job? Well, perhaps that job simply isn’t worth more. And, since she can’t get anything better, that’s what her worth in the labour force truly is.
    2. I constantly see people both in our company and elsewhere getting promotions, pay rises, changing jobs. So either your story is simply a product of your vivid imagination or the girl is simply not up to it.
    3. Despite being the absolute minimum, that job does pay her bills, doesn’t it? What else would you expect from some entry-level job, sky with diamonds?
    4. And those studies of hers… She wouldn’t be studying for some liberal arts degree, would she? And probably expecting that to work out well too…

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  50. MT_Tinman (3,092 comments) says:

    Nick R (499 comments) says:
    August 26th, 2014 at 10:44 am
    Pot kettle black. After the decade or more of Clark (or should that be Klark) derangement syndrome we have experienced, this was to be expected.

    There are idiots on both sides of the political spectrum and I don’t think that either side is in any position to level accusations at the other.

    I do.

    History is demonstrating that many of the “attacks” on Clakula were correct and accurate.

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  51. Redbaiter (8,234 comments) says:

    These horrible little prog bludgers shouldn’t be getting govt money to produce vile political propaganda.

    Agree.

    What have the Nats done to close down NZ On Air? The taxpayer funded agency started by Helen Clark that gives so much of the cultural left their oxygen.

    Nothing.

    They love it just like the Labour people do.

    The Nats won’t strike at the root of these things because they are basically the same people as Labour.

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  52. RightNow (6,961 comments) says:

    AG

    (3) If you’ve never seen “this level of hatred” for a PM before, perhaps you could revisit Kiwiblog’s comment threads circa 2000-08?

    Or The Standard, circa this month (actually any time since they started).

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  53. Pete George (23,417 comments) says:

    (1) This “song” is beyond the pale … don’t care about any sort of “but that’s how we young peoples talk” defence, it’s just not OK.

    (2) I’m not 100% sure that “the Left” are responsible for the anti-semetic graffiti on Key’s billboards. Not alleging that “the Right” are, just that it’s entirely possible that there’s a bunch of fucked up individuals in this world:

    (3) If you’ve never seen “this level of hatred” for a PM before, perhaps you could revisit Kiwiblog’s comment threads circa 2000-08?

    (1) I agree.

    (2) It’s quite possible some, possibly most of those abusively vandalising billboards don’t identify with either left or right. Many people don’t see politics in binary.

    (3) After 2008 it changed partly to hatred of the Opposition. Nowhere near from everyone but there has been significant ongoing ‘hatred’ expressed here since National came to power (and a lot of it directed at National and it’s support parties).

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  54. freemark (552 comments) says:

    So “Judith”. This “friend” of yours gets 50 hrs a week of work. Even at minimum wage that is over $700 gross. She also gets to study (good on her) but what is she studying? Is someone forcing her to stay with this employer? 4 years without a pay rise and not a single opportunity to change jobs? No options? No doubt you encourage her to blame it all on John Key, you with your taxpayer funded cushy number sitting around all day spewing bulls hit & bile.

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  55. Pete George (23,417 comments) says:

    Or The Standard, circa this month (actually any time since they started).

    And The Daily Blog. And to a lesser extent Public Address but there’s still an insidious level of opposition to people deemed enemies of the Party. And on other blogs – across the spectrum.

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  56. Nick R (503 comments) says:

    Tinman

    I think you just proved my point. Clark derangement syndrome is still alive and well.

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  57. Redbaiter (8,234 comments) says:

    “So you would say “Fuck John Key” would you?”

    No I would not but your good buddy Cameron Slater now effectively tied to the Nats by the left’s propaganda agencies (the MSM) has been responsible for equally vicious attacks on anyone he perceives as a threat to National.

    Look at his cowardly campaign against Colin Craig for just one example.

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  58. Redbaiter (8,234 comments) says:

    “And you would allow CminusT, red melon, Ms McGillicuddy, Dotslob, Harre, and Harawira, to run the country on our behalf?”

    The only reason these people are threatening our country is because Key is incapable of sending the message that their economic and social policies are COMPLETELY WRONG.

    Instead, he just says, “sure that’s all doable, just leave me in charge and we’ll do it right”.

    As the Dim Post said the other day, John Key’s message is ” socialism is great and I’ll make it work for you”.

    If that’s the only message that Key is capable of sending then the commies have to get the message by some other means and if the whole country has to suffer a short sharp shock to that end then maybe that’s the best of a series of really bad choices.

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  59. Pete George (23,417 comments) says:

    Comments on the song from ‘Enough is enough’ at The Standard.

    I see DPF is having a wee cry about nasty song written about his idol.

    Diddums.

    If you declare a war on the poor this is what you should expect to receive.

    You don’t have to like it. It is mildly distasteful. However it a direct consequence of Key’s war on the poor.

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  60. MT_Tinman (3,092 comments) says:

    Nick R (500 comments) says:
    August 26th, 2014 at 11:17 am
    Tinman

    I think you just proved my point. Clark derangement syndrome is still alive and well.

    I agree Nick.

    My point was that it has often proved justified – something you will never honestly say about the current attacks on Mr Key and his family.

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  61. Pete George (23,417 comments) says:

    As I’ve just shown Tinman people on either side of the political divide justify their hatred and abuse.

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  62. burt (8,173 comments) says:

    Judith

    The main point is Burt – this young lady had/has an excellent work ethic, that is slowly being eroded into a bad work ethic – and that is causing her distress, which she is now targeting on the government.

    Then somebody needs to tell her that changing the government will probably make no difference. She might pay higher taxes under a more left leaning government than National, do you think having less in her pocket for her efforts would make her happier ? Because that’s about all that changes because the sad reality some lovers of big government can’t seem to understand is – regulations, high taxes and social engineering are not the road to sustainable prosperity.

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  63. Judith (8,530 comments) says:

    @ freemark (500 comments) says:
    August 26th, 2014 at 11:12 am

    She is not a ‘friend’, she was a young lady doing catering at a conference I was at over the weekend. She does that part time, works 40 hours a week, and studies when possible – she is doing some form of creative technology stuff which will put her in the same line as Sir Peter Jackson – who was also at the conference – so I introduced her with the hope that he would encourage her to continue with her study.

    She had applied for other jobs, but all were at the same rate – because she does not have qualifications yet, she said that is all that is offered, especially because, in her mind, she is up against youth wage.

    @ Slipster
    I find people that constantly see ‘dishonesty’ everywhere they look, tend to be reflecting themselves. Dishonest people tend to be the most distrusting.

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  64. mjw (378 comments) says:

    That is appalling behaviour from Homebrew and there is no excuse for it.

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  65. Judith (8,530 comments) says:

    @ burt (7,970 comments) says:
    August 26th, 2014 at 11:33 am

    I didn’t get into politics with her Burt – I prefer not to, but I did introduce her to someone that hopefully gave her the encouragement to continue, and to not give up.

    I gave the example really just to show how it might be that some form the opinion and ‘hate’ that they do – because they perceive just vast difference and a complete lack of hope.

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  66. jawnbc (73 comments) says:

    Agree 100% and I’m a social democrat: I disagree with a lot of Key National policies, but he’s no Thatcher or Howard, both of whom were vile.

    Musicians have the right to be obnoxious, but calls to violence are beyond any freedom of speech.

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  67. burt (8,173 comments) says:

    Judith

    She had applied for other jobs, but all were at the same rate – because she does not have qualifications yet, she said that is all that is offered, especially because, in her mind, she is up against youth wage.

    The poor woman, she’s not being paid like an experienced and qualified person – It’s all John Key’s fault ! Change the PM and all this will change for her – lol.

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  68. Mother of ten (7 comments) says:

    Judith, I’ve got to add my 2cents worth here too. I’ve been an employer for over 10 years and have worked with over 100 employes. I want good quality, loyal, hard working employees and I want to keep them. Recruiting is expensive, time consuming and often fruitless so I ( like most sensible employers) do what I can to keep these good employees working for me. If I had an employee that I hadn’t rewarded with some kind of financial progression over 4 years there would be 3 possible reasons. 1) the job is just not worth more money, 2) the employee is not up to scratch or 3) I’m a bad employer. If it’s the last option I’m going to have a high turn over of employees and it’s unlikely someone would stay for 4 years. Whatever the reason I can tell you for sure it’s not John Keys fault.

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  69. labrator (1,890 comments) says:

    If you declare a war on the poor this is what you should expect to receive.

    You don’t have to like it. It is mildly distasteful. However it a direct consequence of Key’s war on the poor.

    It’s the disconnect that confuses me. Key launched his campaign in South Auckland. One of the more concentrated poor areas in NZ. The welcome was pretty outstanding. To me this explains the venom. The spitters of vile are having the rug pulled out from under them and that hurts. They’ve lost their raison d’etre.

    The 5 stages of loss
    1) Denial and Isolation – Labour has been here since Helen Clark left
    2) Anger – This is where the more radical Labour/Left supporters are now, like Tom Scott.
    3) Bargaining – Tame Iti is now on the Māori list (!)
    4) Depression – Early days but plenty of more moderate supporters are here.
    5) Acceptance – RRM was a lefty, now he’s seen the light, so have many others 50%+ in the polls

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  70. burt (8,173 comments) says:

    Judith

    I can see her in 20 years time. The country in deep recession after successive tax and spent social engineering parties have had control and spent other peoples money to win the hears and minds of swinging voters… It’s not fair that having studied for 6 years and had 14 years in the workforce that people just starting their training are earning virtually the same as me…

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  71. Judith (8,530 comments) says:

    @ burt (7,971 comments) says:
    August 26th, 2014 at 11:39 am

    No, that is not what she was saying. Her complaint, which I agree had developed to an emotional dislike, was that she had been at the same job for four years – that John Key had stated that the minimum wage was just a ‘starting wage’ and that when a person was experienced in their position, employers would increase wages naturally – which hadn’t happened.

    My interest was two fold – mainly because she was giving up two years of study, and secondly because she seemed so full of hatred for someone so young.

    @ burt (7,972 comments) says:
    August 26th, 2014 at 11:44 am

    May be Burt – but doesn’t the wisdom to know differently come with age? The question was why are young people so full of hate that they do the things they do – this was a recent example that I had witnessed – I suspect she will change as she gets older.

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  72. Nostalgia-NZ (5,081 comments) says:

    Really little point in writing about such crap, just fuel for the fires of the demented.

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  73. burt (8,173 comments) says:

    Judith

    I’ve been working for over 30 years and even 30 years ago under a socialist totalitarian Muldoon regime it was obvious the best way to increase your earnings was to change jobs – I wonder if she’s considered that ?

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  74. adze (2,049 comments) says:

    Watch now how few fucks Nicky Hager gives about this.

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  75. Judith (8,530 comments) says:

    @ burt (7,973 comments) says:
    August 26th, 2014 at 11:48 am

    Asked her the same thing and she said the same wage applied to every job she applied for. Her day job was being a telephonist, and there are apparently screeds of similarly experienced people in that market – which was why she had been studying for two years to eventually improve herself. In my opinion, as strange as it seems she was probably working too hard.

    One full-time job and study is enough – during the period of study one cannot expect to improve their current position, but take solace in knowing they are improving their over all life chances. But she was expecting to improve her lifestyle, due to her two jobs, whilst studying – in short, she was probably doing too much, and not focusing on her future but rather her current.

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  76. burt (8,173 comments) says:

    Judith

    Wanting things NOW is a common problem of youth. Unfortunately for them economies are unsustainable when instant gratification is delivered via other peoples money. She’ll work it out one day. Good on you for listening to her. IMHO if you are in this position it’s a good idea to give these “mine – now – must have” people a dose of reality. Tough as it is sometimes.

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  77. s.russell (1,587 comments) says:

    They hate him because he is successful and popular and they are not. They hate him because he makes them look foolish and bad. They hate him because they cannot feel contempt – as much as they would like to. They hate him because he is the best prime minister New Zealand has had in most people’s living memory (and maybe far beyond).

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  78. Pete George (23,417 comments) says:

    ‏@NZonAir

    NZ On Air did NOT fund the @Peace song Kill the PM

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  79. RightNow (6,961 comments) says:

    When I was a teenager I was much like this (rebellious that is, although I did have 3 jobs). I don’t know how old these guys are but they’re not really a big deal.
    The election is on a Saturday. Their fans will be drinking RTD’s and smoking joints at the skate park. And anyway it’s more rebellious not to vote.

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  80. Berend de Boer (1,695 comments) says:

    DPF: So wonderful that our taxes go on supporting this band.

    As National hasn’t done anything about a whole subculture feeding on the taxpayer, I can’t say I feel much sympathy. They could have done something. But as you pointed out: National has been running a socialist agenda.

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  81. goldnkiwi (1,246 comments) says:

    The left is so glass half empty not glass half full, no wonder they are full of hatred.

    Politics of envy and a culture of entitlement, I expect nothing less.

    I can imagine the hue and cry if John Key started interfering in individual businesses as opposed to providing the structure around growth and stability.

    I do not think that the University ‘culture’ is much more than leftist dogma Judith, I am sure you enjoy it and as partisan as you are, I also believe that you do your bit to ‘indoctrinate’ by ‘sharing’ your opinions as you do here.

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  82. Psycho Milt (2,401 comments) says:

    People are at fault across the political spectrum. Pointing only a left finger or pointing only a right finger is a part of the problem.

    It’s nothing like as much of a problem as dim bulbs being unable to figure out that the government setting up an arms-length black ops group to dig dirt on its opponents, to the extent of trawling brothels for evidence of embarrassing sexual misconduct, is in even the remotest sense comparable with a bunch of pissed students chanting “Fuck John Key” or some lame-ass wannabe gangster-rappers writing a shitty song about him.

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  83. RightNow (6,961 comments) says:

    government setting up an arms-length black ops group to dig dirt on its opponents, to the extent of trawling brothels for evidence of embarrassing sexual misconduct

    Lol. Do you remember the Neelam Choudary affair Milt? The honey-trap where Goff encouraged the ‘strikingly beautiful’ Choudary to string along Richard Worth in the hope of getting something he could embarrass Key with. And Goff then shopped information to the press gallery.

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  84. G152 (263 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10422676/Song-threatens-to-kill-Key

    Why are these wankers not in court?
    And could the police come in from ticketing drivers who go faster than they should and deal to these threats?
    Or is that to much for their job description…..

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  85. Pete George (23,417 comments) says:

    A statement from Tom Scott:

    @peace
    Now that I have your attention, may I remind you that

    130,000 ELIGIBLE PEOPLE UNDER 25 HAVE NOT YET ENROLLED.

    The current PM does not care about these people. He does not care about the growing gap between the rich and the poor in our country. He does not care about the native people of our country. He does not care about the planet we depend upon to survive, the living organism that we as humans are a functioning part of. He does not care about the right we should all have to an education. He only cares about him and his friends.

    I do not want to literally kill this man. I do not wish to have sexual relations with anybody related to him. Let’s not pretend a silly little song ever changed anything. Last I seen famine was still going pretty strong since ‘Heal The World’ came out. It’s just a song. No different from Thatcher era punk. Anyone ever heard “Maggie you’re a cunt”..?

    What’s important is that we ENROL TO VOTE so that we have a chance to select someone to represent us who understands the concept of empathy.

    I’m fed up with this dude. But if you want to vote for him, that’s your choice. Personally, I’m voting Greens but you can vote for whoever you like. You can choose between a whole bunch of different people who represent a whole bunch of different ideologies. That’s the beauty of the political system in NZ.

    Please respect my right to express my disappointment for the leader of our country.

    ENROL

    http://www.elections.org.nz/voters/enrol-check-or-update-now

    VOTE

    Peace.

    Tom.

    Maybe he needs to learn what earns respect and what won’t.

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  86. Redbaiter (8,234 comments) says:

    Milt- PG would say that.

    He’s one of the idiots deluding himself that there is some kind of real political spectrum in NZ. Once that provides a choice between huge oppressive socialist govt and small unobtrusive RW govt.

    No such choice exists, and when PG smarmily presents himself as being a “common sense” middle of the roader he’s in reality not much more than another far left indoctrinated loon only a few degrees separate from yourself.

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  87. Inthisdress (173 comments) says:

    Just make sure you ‘Vote Positive’, people. . .

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  88. UrbanNeocolonialist (259 comments) says:

    It is crazy to expect decent wages at entry level in the film/media – there are simply a massive number of young people trying to get in and too few jobs, which of course depresses wages. It is also crazy to think you will find well paid jobs for uni students in cities where there are 10’s of thousands of them looking for jobs. Supply and demand.

    But many dairy farmers have trouble finding entry-level employees for their sheds at $60k per year, and in some areas are having to employ immigrant labour because they can’t find any locals to do it (unemployment in some dairying districts runs at 1-2%). There are tonnes of well paid entry level jobs, just not in the main centres and not in glamour industries.

    As for nasty song writing – cynically it is a great ploy for some struggling musos to make some money and garner publicity. Probably a few 10’s of thousand itunes downloads from rabid punters on the left and rebellious teens, for what might only be a day or twos work.

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  89. Pete George (23,417 comments) says:

    the government setting up an arms-length black ops group to dig dirt on its opponents, to the extent of trawling brothels for evidence of embarrassing sexual misconduct

    I haven’t seen any evidence that there’es any link between the Government and that sort of trawling for evidence. Have you PM?

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  90. unaha-closp (1,155 comments) says:

    John Key is a socialist prick, he picks winners and he makes losers.

    In John Keys NZ the losers are low skilled, low paid, low asset workers. They get treated like shit and are then told they’d best be grateful for having that job. They don’t get tax cuts, instead John Key jumps the GST and ups the price of petrol and smokes and beer. They don’t get subsidies, instead their taxes pay for the tax breaks of other peoples children. Interest free loans for rich students don’t make them happy. Booming property market means expensive rents. John Key supports a universal pension, in the biggest generational subsidy you are ever likely to see low income workers pay $millions to rich retirees.

    John Key is a wowser. Shuts pubs at 4am for no reason. Bans soft drugs on no scientific basis. Cuts funding to support local music.

    But he does fund a boat race, for the rich pricks.

    John Key is a socialist who taxes the working poor to subsidise everyone else. John Key is Helen Clark in drag. The only real difference is income tax rate and GST rate.

    This election is a choice between a bunch of socialist parties and a single socialist party.

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  91. Pete George (23,417 comments) says:

    Russell Brown has commented on the song:

    I believe that our tolerance for more robust forms of political expression should be broad. But mine, anyway, doesn’t extend to this. The sentiment in the title of ‘Kill the PM’ crosses a line and the stuff about Key’s daughter more particularly crosses several more. I think the song has been played live by @Peace and Home Brew before, but posting it now is really Not Helping. Fucksake.

    http://publicaddress.net/hardnews/media-take-election-songs/

    Good on him for that.

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  92. Peter (1,685 comments) says:

    I’m betting these guys will, in time, grow up from being broke angry teenagers to broke angry 50-somethings. Trouble is, at 50, no one thinks you’re cool anymore.

    And they’ll have thought themselves into that sad position. If there is one gift I could give them at this stage in their life, it would be this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wealth_of_Nations

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  93. william blake (109 comments) says:

    This crew hate John Key, that does not make them left wing.

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  94. freemark (552 comments) says:

    The thing is, that almost all of this hate is based on total dishonesty spread by the left (or our rabid right wingers here) I don’t know which is more depressing…the sheer ugliness of a part of our society, or the sheer ignorance & gullibility. We pay $ billions for education to get this? The sheer desperation of the Left this time, coupled with their inherent dishonesty & lack of any morals is quite sickening. The inherent decency of the Centre right handicaps us against these centrally planned tactics, but enough is enough.

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  95. Hugh Pavletich (150 comments) says:

    Nipping disorder in the bud …

    Bret Stephens: Of Ferguson and Fallujah – WSJ

    http://online.wsj.com/articles/bret-stephens-of-ferguson-and-fallujah-1408404679

    Bill Bratton has no doubt as to what went wrong with policing in the U.S. in the bad old days of the 1970s and ’80s. “The biggest mistake,” he insists, was too much “focus on response to crime and not enough focus on trying to prevent it.”

    In a lengthy Monday morning interview with The Wall Street Journal, New York’s top cop refuses to be drawn into second-guessing his colleagues in Ferguson, Mo. When I ask about the seeming militarization of police forces in the U.S., he replies that each community “equips its police based on the needs for its city.” If people can lawfully own Kalashnikov-style weapons, the cops inevitably are going to go one better.

    What Mr. Bratton mainly wants to underscore is that crime in the Big Apple continues to plumb historic lows, never mind recent tabloid headlines. He wants to underscore, also, the reason for it: broken-windows policing methods. Such is his belief in broken windows that he comes to the meeting flanked by the man who helped come up with the idea: George Kelling, the legendary criminologist.

    Broken windows stresses that endemic criminality is not primarily a function of the usual “root causes”—poverty, racism, bad schools, broken families and so on. The real problem is disorder itself.

    “Disorder and crime are usually inextricably linked, in a kind of developmental sequence,” Mr. Kelling observed in a seminal 1982 Atlantic article, co-written with the late James Q. Wilson. The mere appearance of disorder—graffiti, broken windows, an abandoned car, drug dealers or prostitutes openly plying their trades—creates a sense that nobody’s looking, nobody cares, nobody is in charge. Bad guys respond to these environmental cues by acting badly. Good people stay off the street, bolt their doors, move out.

    Ferguson is hardly the most dangerous neighborhood in St. Louis County; rates of violent crime are just below the national median, and far below those of East St. Louis, probably the most violent neighborhood in America.

    But there is disorder in Ferguson. The city has 190 crimes per square mile, compared with a national median of 39.3. If you live in Ferguson, you are nearly twice as likely to have your car stolen, get mugged, or have your house broken into, than if you live in Averageville, U.S.A. Before last week, the biggest story out of Ferguson was the case of a woman who had opened a strip club/brothel in the basement of her home. Her 16-year-old son had the job of tending bar.

    This was the environment in which police officer Darren Wilson shot and killed teenager Michael Brown. Whatever the exact circumstances of Brown’s death, everything else about the case suggests a town where broken-windows policing was not being done, or at least not done well. A sense of insecurity and disorder. A police force badly out of step with the community it ostensibly serves. Reactive law enforcement.

    At the Journal, Mr. Bratton made a point of emphasizing the nine principles of policing laid down in the 19th century by Sir Robert Peel, founder of London’s Metropolitan Police. Principle No. 9: “The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it.” By this standard, policing in Ferguson has been a total failure.

    Which brings me to Fallujah.

    Last October I wrote a column with the headline “Iraq Tips Toward the Abyss.” It was prompted by the news that 7,000 Iraqi civilians had been killed over the previous 10 months alone.

    “Americans may think they’ve changed the channel on Iraq, but the grisly show goes on,” I wrote. “Pay attention before it gets worse.” The world yawned and the Obama administration did nothing.

    In January came the news that a group called the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham had retaken Fallujah, just 40 or so miles west of Baghdad, a city that U.S. Marines had liberated a decade earlier at a major cost in lives. The media ran a few stories about the heartache of the battle’s veterans. President Obama said nothing.

    In July, ISIS took Mosul and seized six divisions worth of U.S. supplied Iraqi military equipment. For once, President Obama took public notice but waited another month before doing anything, ostensibly because he disapproved of the leadership in Baghdad. That was around the time Kurdistan nearly fell to ISIS and the Yazidis were nearly wiped out.

    This is a case study of allowing neighborhoods to decay and disorder to fester; of doing things reactively, not preventively. Where would we be in Iraq today if Mr. Obama hadn’t simply walked and looked away for the past three years?

    The answer to disorder is to provide order. To engage community leaders. To enforce norms. To reassure good citizens that their security is being looked after and it’s not every man for himself. To maintain a visible presence that deters would-be lawbreakers from committing criminal acts. To prevent bad people from acting badly, and to punish them swiftly when they do.

    This is how a successful police force like the NYPD works. And it’s how a competent foreign policy should operate. Bill Bratton knows his job—which is more than can be said of the Keystone cops in Ferguson, or at the White House.

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  96. labrator (1,890 comments) says:

    @Hugh Pavletich What has that diatribe got to do with anything?

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  97. polemic (449 comments) says:

    So Judith what is the other side of the story for this young woman you wax lyrical about??

    If she is as good as you make her out to be then she should start applying for another job because employers of today want people who want to work and get ahead.

    And if the employer doesn’t recognize that she is worth more than the minimum wage she should use her feet.

    There doesnt seem to be much shortage of jobs around. (Must be good economic management that has got the county like that – Now let me think who is the current PM?? :-D )

    So get another job that will advance her – this has got nothing to do with the Govt!!!

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  98. labrator (1,890 comments) says:

    Let’s not pretend a silly little song ever changed anything.

    Shows the illogic of the man. Songs are contrived of words. Words have certainly changed lots of things. He pretty much wants a free pass to do whatever he wants under the guise of ‘fighting for the un-represented’. He wants his lifestyle legitimised.

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  99. dime (9,788 comments) says:

    The only issue here is the NZ on Air scam.

    Apart from that, who cares what a bunch of losers sing/rap/whatever

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  100. RRM (9,758 comments) says:

    I started making my gradual move from Labour to National supporter in about 2010.

    Two things made it easy:

    :arrow: It became clear that Key was NOT an ideological right wing arsehole like the left were painting him, all the social services that I cared about were being maintained. Hell, health was being IMPROVED under National!

    :arrow: With the departure of Helen Clark, Michael Cullen, Rod Donald and Jeannette Fitzsimons from the scene, it became abundantly clear just how immature, incompetent and fanatic the remaining splinters of the left were.

    NOTHING I’ve seen or heard in the last 14 days has caused me to re-think that even for a moment.

    I’ll have the sensible, straight up business guy in the suit, thanks… :-)

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  101. Nukuleka (290 comments) says:

    NZ on Air are refusing to comment on the fact that they contributed $6000 of public money to this scum band. Weasel-like they are saying that they have no connection with this particular song and so they have no comment to make.

    My take is somewhat different. I believe that NZ on Air should make a public statement condemning this band and their song, and regretting that they donated taxpayer’s money to them in the past. Silence implies collusion.

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  102. Psycho Milt (2,401 comments) says:

    I haven’t seen any evidence that there’es any link between the Government and that sort of trawling for evidence. Have you PM?

    You didn’t notice in the book the evidence of the link between the government and the black ops unit, or the evidence of the black ops unit engaging in trawling for evidence? You can’t have read it very closely. It is of course possible, probable even, that Slater was freelancing when looking for evidence of brothel visits, rather than acting on behalf of the government, but that’s the problem when a government gets into black ops – it becomes responsible for what the black-ops people do.

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  103. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    Let’s be clear. There is NO excuse for publishing a song that calls for killing the PM and having sex with his daughter. NONE.

    Judith and other leftists have well and truly crawled into a moral sewer with their vile attempts to justify this sick evil.

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  104. tom hunter (4,653 comments) says:

    I’ll have the sensible, straight up business guy in the suit, thanks…

    Well that’s the thing. There are any number of things about John Key and the National party that piss me off – not least the fact that they refuse to give these people something to really hate by defunding NZ on Air. As Berend de Boer says above I can’t feel much sympathy for Key and National in this case, although I must say that I really hope they beat the odds and crush Labour-Greens and their hangers on at the election. At a minimum the left might pull their heads in for a while.

    And being pissed off is not the same as the unhinged shit I’ve seen about Key in the last few years. Derangement Syndrome is an entirely accurate way to describe it.

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  105. Redbaiter (8,234 comments) says:

    “Derangement Syndrome is an entirely accurate way to describe it”

    Yep, but with Key taking all of their territory, what else have these losers got?

    As a matter of fact, that could well be one of the motives for the hate- they see Key as doing socialism better than they can. Its envy and jealousy.

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  106. Pete George (23,417 comments) says:

    Psycho Milt – no, the National Government is not responsible for any of the dirt Slater freelanced on, and from what I’ve read of the data dumps it seems he was operating independently at least much of the time.

    National is tainted by association – especially as Key has barely dissociated himself – but not responsible for what it can’t control, and by most reports Slater is uncontrollable.

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  107. tom hunter (4,653 comments) says:

    The only issue here is the NZ on Air scam.

    That’s also true. I might roll my eyes at this sort of crap but it’s the fact that a small group of my “betters” have decided to invest a slice of my tax money into supporting these assholes that really gets me going.

    Judith and other ….

    In case you’ve not noticed “Judith” and her attackers manage to make almost every one of these threads about herself, and it usually involves somebody she knows who just happens to fit whatever argument is currently involved.

    I pointed out this standard gambit a few days ago but it’s worth repeating:

    23. Wow! You mean that I could write stuff like this, too?
    Sure! It’s embarrasingly easy to write what we wrote above. In fact, it’s even superior to the usual anti-Semitic revisionist garbage, because it has a higher percentage of REAL FACTS!

    Most of the apparent “contradictions” above come from the facts that Nagasaki was bombed by a plutonium bomb, not uranium; and that hydrogen bombs are thermonuclear, not atomic bombs. Just juggle information about the different types of bombs and mix them up so they seem to be contradicting each other. It doesn’t take ANY INTELLIGENCE WHATSOEVER, and you can get lots of free air time on “48 Hours”!

    Oh, I forgot to mention: I have a Japanese girlfriend who agrees with EVERY WORD I’ve written above. Here she is:
    “Yes, I am his Japanese girlfriend. I love him very much, and I’ve always been troubled by my Japanese friends claiming to know people who died in Hiroshima.”

    There you have it! Just throw some unverifiable opinions on top of ridiculous proofs to STRENGTHEN YOUR CASE!

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  108. Keeping Stock (10,253 comments) says:

    Has anyone asked Jan Logie, the Greens’ resident critic of New Zealand’s “rape culture” how she feels about this song, especially given that one of the performers has publicly stated he supports her party?

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  109. Inthisdress (173 comments) says:

    By that rationale, though, if someone takes it upon themselves to activate along some lop-sided view of what politics should be, and does so in the name of a party, without that party’s participation, then is it reasonable to suggest that by ‘association’, the Labour Party and Cunliffe should be held responsible for a record called ‘Fuck John Key’?

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  110. Redbaiter (8,234 comments) says:

    KS, you do understand Dialectic Marxism don’t you?

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  111. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    @ RedCoward

    “Yep, but with Key taking all of their territory, what else have these losers got?”

    Key has not done this moron. Capital Gains Tax? No. Nationalising more private business? No. Raising taxes on the wealthy? No. And on, and on……

    “As a matter of fact, that could well be one of the motives for the hate- they see Key as doing socialism better than they can. Its envy and jealousy.”

    Key is not doing socialism you uneducated idiot. How did you get to be this dumb Red? Did you take lessons?

    Key supports a mixed economy. That is not now nor ever has been considered socialism. Post WW2 the mixed economy was the standard philosophy of almost all conservative Right parties in the West. They adopted it precisely to keep the real socialists and communists out of power, exactly as Key has done.

    Anyone who had a real education, who knows how to read books, who understands the history of the Right, knows this. That you don’t is yet more proof that your a poorly educated nutjob who has read a few web pages and nothing more.

    I once challenged you to read Kirk’s ‘The Conservative Mind’ and you claimed you had. I call you a liar. You clearly have not. You clearly have not read anything of substance regarding Conservatism or economics.

    Now as the saying goes, if your not for us your against us. The country faces a real choice, despite your imbecilic attempts to claim otherwise.

    A Labour/Green/IMP coalition would be a real disaster for NZ. And right now Redcoward, you might as well be cheering them on like any good little Prog traitor.

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  112. Pete George (23,417 comments) says:

    @KimDotcom

    For the record: A song about killing John Key is a SHIT song and unlawful too. Please report #Mega links to our takedown team.

    Laila Harre retweeted, Good call from them.

    Tom Scott ‏@homebrewcrew

    @NZGreens sorry if I’ve done any damage to you by publicly stating that I vote for you.

    Drawing attention to it won’t help.

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  113. RightNow (6,961 comments) says:

    Psycho Milt, you sure are using that racist term ‘black-ops’ a lot.

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  114. Jack5 (5,004 comments) says:

    “Hatred and hysteria” as DPF highlights – yes.

    But also straight politicking.

    Take the families of the killed Pike River miners confronting John Key on a visit, with the party including the mother of the son at the centre of Whale Oil’s deplorable comments after the man’s tragic death.

    These Coasters are politicking when they demand Solid Energy re-enters the dangerous mine to recover the miners’ remains.

    The West Coast will be back to hippy land if a Greens-Labour coalition takes control. The Greens hate mining, and that means Coast jobs. The Pike River families must know that in their hearts.

    The Pike River families confront the Prime Minister:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11314498

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  115. adze (2,049 comments) says:

    If “@Peace” is trying to pass off allusions to assassination and war rape as an attention seeking exercise for the lump of wasted youth vote, then he has no credibility, and neither do his apologists.
    Perhaps he should focus on cleaning up hip hop’s problem with misogyny and sociopathic narcissism, rather than promote it.

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  116. Hugh Pavletich (150 comments) says:

    Labrator … The Wall Street Journal Opinion by Brett Stephens has a lot to do with this discussion.

    Get your dictionary … there is a world of difference between dissent and disorder.

    The New York policing has much to teach us.

    Put another way … you deal WITH reasonable people … and deal TO unreasonable ones.

    Pandering to these losers is exactly the wrong thing to do.

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  117. flipper (3,915 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock (10,165 comments) says:

    August 26th, 2014 at 1:46 pm

    Has anyone asked Jan Logie,
    *****

    You have got to be kidding….

    Not in this topsy turvy world that is 2014 :-)

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  118. Redbaiter (8,234 comments) says:

    Flipper for chrissakes man that is how it is MEANT TO BE…!!

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  119. labrator (1,890 comments) says:

    @Hugh Pavletich it is tenuously related and you made no attempt to make the link whatsoever. In fact all you did was make a throwaway comment and cut & paste an article. Imagine if we all did that.

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  120. flipper (3,915 comments) says:

    Jack5 (4,805 comments) says:

    August 26th, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    “Hatred and hysteria”
    *****

    Good comment.

    Putting aside other matters, why did Slater refer to the West Coaster as feral?
    Much as I think he sometimes fires from the hip, and sometimes allows his personal economic philosophy to take precedence over reality, I doubt he would have made the comment for the sake of using those words to apply, inferentially, to all West Coasters,

    I suggest that what we have here is another “Hagerism”. (c) (Definitions invited!) :-)

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  121. Matthew Flannagan (72 comments) says:

    The distinction between left and right has historically been a distinction about the use of violence and armed revolution in politics. In the anglo american world the distinction goes back to reactions to the french revolution. Conservatives (right) were whigs ( liberals) like Burke who opposed the notion that you could overthrow an entire system by force and replace it on the basis of the latest ideology. Instead he suggested reforms should be gradual and lawful. The left were liberals (like Paine) who saw the armed overthrow of the king, in France and violence that followed as justified because it brought about liberation.

    The suggestion then that the right are as prone to the left as having these attitudes is simply false. Conservativism by definition tends to oppose armed otherthrow of the status quo, socialism on the other hand has a long history of advocating exactly that.

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  122. flipper (3,915 comments) says:

    Red…

    For once (well, not just a single time) I agree with your view – of the Logieworld.

    PS… My teenage grand children (2 female) believe that both Logie and “Bilingswhatshernametoday” are both lesbians.
    They believe they have set up a Malaysian who does not understand the aggressive lesbian modus operandi.

    Can’t say that I know, but I trust the judgement of female teenagers.

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  123. mcardnas (79 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock (10,165 comments) says:
    August 26th, 2014 at 10:33 am
    Freedom of speech is one thing, but this is pretty explicit in both the threat to kill John Key (“I’m gonna kill the Prime Minister”) and in the references to Steffi Key.

    Dragging politicians’ family members into the political debate goes way beyond the pale IMHO.

    say what now? about the *artist* who got all her french/japanese fusion *edible* bits out for the world to see yah nah try agian

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  124. Other_Andy (2,555 comments) says:

    Your teenage grand children are correct.
    Jan Logie and “Bilingswhatshernametoday” are both lesbians.
    And so is Tabby Besley, is another lesbian activist involved in this saga, also has connections to the “Green Party”

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  125. questions (192 comments) says:

    David, please refer to NZ on Air’s twitter page, your post in materially incorrect.

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  126. Judith (8,530 comments) says:

    It is interesting to note that Kim Dotcom has tweeted regarding the PM song, saying it is a shit song, and for people to report any links to Mega and it will be taken down. He has clearly learned some lessons.

    He also tweeted this:

    “I know a lot of you are angry. But violence is not the way. Your weapon is your vote. Use it. And tell others to use it too.”

    Seems sensible – can’t fault those tweets – too little too late? – probably, but still nice to see he’s not encouraging it.
    *no not my twitter, the irresponsible teenager’s mate sent them to him*

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  127. Psycho Milt (2,401 comments) says:

    The suggestion then that the right are as prone to the left as having these attitudes is simply false. Conservativism by definition tends to oppose armed otherthrow of the status quo…

    Is that satire, or unintentional comedy? Of course conservativism opposes armed overthrow of the status quo (unless the people have been so negligent as to vote in the wrong kind of government, but for the sake of argument…). No, the history of conservatism is instead a rich tapestry of brutal violence to enforce the status quo. So, depends what you mean by “these attitudes” I guess.

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  128. Redbaiter (8,234 comments) says:

    “No, the history of conservatism is instead a rich tapestry of brutal violence to enforce the status quo.”

    Oh wow, now wouldn’t you have thought that would be followed by a “for example”.

    But we got nothing.

    Pfffttt……

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  129. waikatogirl (154 comments) says:

    Tom Scott – it is how you express your concern for the country. You have as much right to vote green as I do National. National supporters don’t normally resort to hate speech as the left have done time and time again this election. ( don’t count Cam Slater- like you he is in business to sling mud)

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  130. Unity (477 comments) says:

    The song is an utter disgrace especially involving John Key’s daughter. That is the lowest of the low but then we have almost come to expect such garbage from certain people.

    As for the employee who has worked for 4 years and long hours, she should be thankful she has a job especially as she has no qualifications. Many WITH qualifications are having trouble finding work. Also as some have said, perhaps the employer couldn’t afford to pay more. On the other hand perhaps she didn’t think the employee was worth any more. The only way out of it is to acquire qualifications and try and get a better paying job. She is still earning good money by the standards of many.

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  131. Kimble (4,443 comments) says:

    You didn’t notice in the book the evidence of the link between the government and the black ops unit, or the evidence of the black ops unit engaging in trawling for evidence? … but that’s the problem when a government gets into black ops – it becomes responsible for what the black-ops people do.

    You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

    Another “white slavery” moment for KDS Milt?

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  132. Judith (8,530 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (4,379 comments) says:
    August 26th, 2014 at 1:24 pm

    Please show where I have supported this song, or even commented on it ?

    The only thing I commented on was the fact that some people seem to be very angry, and have got increasingly angry over the last few years, and it seems to be due to the inequality (real or perceived inequality). That is, people feel that they are unable to achieve social mobility. I don’t even know if they can or not – but the fact they feel they can’t, is making them angry.

    At the weekend I attended The WWI conference. One of the young women serving the food was on a break, and sat at the table where I was doing some writing, she noticed my name badge and started talking to me – told me about her course and how she was thinking of giving it up and why – shit it was only a bloody example – and nothing to do with the damn song – I referred her to someone who could help her with good practical advice, someone she could look up to – as I believe most people would have done, regardless of left or right wing.

    So get off your frigging high horse Shawn, I never mentioned the song – I haven’t even heard the bloody thing.

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  133. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    What do you expect from wannabe ‘Gangsta Rappers’?
    They are talentless morons.
    The whole genre of ‘Hip Hop/Rap’ is an abomination to music.
    I had the misfortune to be dragged to a U2 concert a few years ago that Jay G (or whatever Beyonce’s husband calls himself) was ‘performing’ at.
    It was honestly the most laughable and pathetic thing I have ever seen. Yelling and swearing “I’m da fucking man I’m da fucking man Muthafuckas!” over and over again into the microphone while his band pretended to play instruments (Yep I recognised a couple of old basslines from classic rock songs that they had stolen and were literally pretending to play)
    I reckon Milli Vanilli get a raw deal- Even they had twice the talent of idiots like him!
    Anyway- Getting off track. Homebrew are shite like every other Rap group.

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  134. Psycho Milt (2,401 comments) says:

    Another “white slavery” moment for KDS Milt?

    Something vaguely relevant to the OP beyond you, Kimble?

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  135. Matthew Flannagan (72 comments) says:

    Psycho Milt wrote
    “The suggestion then that the right are as prone to the left as having these attitudes is simply false. Conservativism by definition tends to oppose armed otherthrow of the status quo…
    “Is that satire, or unintentional comedy? …No, the history of conservatism is instead a rich tapestry of brutal violence to enforce the status quo. So, depends what you mean by “these attitudes” I guess.”

    Read the context, the “these attitudes” expressed in the song, involve the armed assanation of the government, and overthrow of the status quo. The song is not expressing a desire that the status quo be violently preserved. So by definition, conservatives cannot express these attitudes only those on the left can. Perhaps there are other attitudes conservatives can express but those are not the ones in the song.

    As to your other comment, in fact *any society* wether socialist or conservative with a justice system and police force, and an army, violently enforces the status quo. The purpose of an army is to defend the existing nation from attack, the point of courts are to defend the civil order that exists from attacks against the peace imposed by that order and so on, so this claim is to trivial to be of substantive use.

    Also you’ll note my comment was limited to anglo- american conservativism that arose in response to the french revolution. this is actually a form of liberalism. The debate between conservative and leftist liberals was about how to reform a society to achieve a liberal polity that safeguards these liberties.. Conservatives argued for based on respecting the institutions of society not attempting to overthrow those institutions, and advocating gradual reforms in a liberal direction, much of the motivation was abhorence of violence that revolutions inevitably bring about. The left argued for overthrowing those institutions violently if necessary to liberate people. In fact the word “terror” originated with the left in the french revolution and was openly advocated by Marx and Trotsky.

    So sorry Psyco but when one is talking about reforming the status quo so, conservatives are not prone to violence, the left are, and have left a long history of backing violent repressive revolutions involving terror going back to French enlightenment.

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  136. Matthew Flannagan (72 comments) says:

    Judith wrote”The only thing I commented on was the fact that some people seem to be very angry, and have got increasingly angry over the last few years, and it seems to be due to the inequality (real or perceived inequality). That is, people feel that they are unable to achieve social mobility. I don’t even know if they can or not – but the fact they feel they can’t, is making them angry.”

    Exhibit A, wealth inequality leads to understandable and justifiable anger which is inevitably expressed in violence. Where have I heard that before, some guy called Karl Marx I believe . But of course ideology has “nothing” to do with the calls for the death of the PM.

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  137. Shunda barunda (2,977 comments) says:

    The reasons for all this are the effects of social engineering of the left, the fostering of self entitlement and the belief that government is there to provide for ones needs regardless of personal effort or ambition.

    Scapegoating is the preferred way of dealing with circumstances for every spoiled brat with a bad attitude, and all it takes is a little encouragement from the left to get those who were growing up/young adults under the previous Labour government to declare jihad on the established authority that currently exists.

    The left have simply done nothing else in the lead up to this election but push the politics of envy, they are using the “poor” as a political football simply to get back in power and continue “the progression”. The “poor” are simply a means to an end, they don’t give a rats arse about the lives of these people, they all belong to a completely different class. The Left in this country are no where near “grass roots”.

    The scary thing is the left are simply incompetent, they are completely unable to lead the country this cycle, there still has been no change to the core ideology that lost them the leadership to national.

    Most of the “angry” have no real grasp on politics at all, they are almost completely ignorant to any purpose that government has other than what they can get out of it in the short term. They are people that cry “fuck the police” when they are caught breaking the law, they are people that revile personal responsibility and scorn those that require it.

    But they are a product of their environment, trained to be creatures of instinct by political forces that seek ignorance over knowledge so long as it ensures they get their vote.

    If the left win this election, may God help us all.

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  138. Gulag1917 (850 comments) says:

    Tom Scott of @peace is the scum of the earth.

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  139. FeralScrote (176 comments) says:

    Nothing like NZ on Air lack of talent funding to let us know who to avoid,in the long run they are doing us a service ,it is 2 mins I won`t waste in my busy schedule listening to this crap.
    Thanks NZ on Air.

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  140. Gulag1917 (850 comments) says:

    Crimes Act 1961
    Section 174 Counselling or attempting to procure murder
    Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years who incites, counsels, or attempts to procure any person to murder any other person in New Zealand, when that murder is not in fact committed.

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  141. Psycho Milt (2,401 comments) says:

    Matthew: so by the time we’ve narrowed the context down to just this song, or just Anglo-American conservatism post-French Revolution, your argument stands? Well, it’s slightly less glaringly wrong, I’ll give you that.

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  142. OneTrack (2,959 comments) says:

    “This crew hate John Key, that does not make them left wing.”

    But it’s the safe way to bet.

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  143. OneTrack (2,959 comments) says:

    “@peace – ‘No different from Thatcher era punk. Anyone ever heard “Maggie you’re a cunt”..?’ ”

    So the left were just as nasty then, as they are now. Who would have thought it.

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  144. adze (2,049 comments) says:

    @questions
    “David, please refer to NZ on Air’s twitter page, your post in materially incorrect.”

    Is that the only takeaway you see in this article? A nitpick about the timing of NZOnAir funding? Really?

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  145. itstricky (1,758 comments) says:

    I dunno what is more annoying, Klark being the vicious, small minded narcissist that we all know she is“I still stand by my analysis. She is a sociopathic narcissist. That being the case, she will continue to evade every concept of reality.
    However, until that time arrives the only way to prevent her doing further damage is to lock her up. You’ve just summarised half the reasons the Bilious Bitch was thrown out on her scrawny corrupt arse.
    A closet Lesbian, that could never come out because Daddy, and Mummy would be mortified…take note Klark..its all over..you are not wanted here….. fuck off……

    Quite right DPF the left are the nasty ones. Oh hold on those KB quotes aren’the about Key’s daughter.

    Hmm. By your logic Clark’s politics weren’t that far off Key’s. Actually we know own that is true as that’s how Nat got it. But it does also mean she pretty much got a raw deal from this crowd.

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  146. Rich Prick (1,647 comments) says:

    It now seems we have given these c#%ts $30,000 to produce their special kind of shite according to One News. Unbelievable!

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  147. adze (2,049 comments) says:

    itstricky
    Sometimes people say shitty things here on KB, it’s true (although I note that at least one of your quotes above was itself a quote from WhaleOil, not KB – presumably before they stepped up the moderation. But that’s a small point).

    Clark at least is a public figure, those things weren’t aimed at her family. But when that type of thing is brought to DPF’s attention he’s usually pretty good about policing the very nasty stuff.

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  148. Pete George (23,417 comments) says:

    Clark at least is a public figure, those things weren’t aimed at her family.

    I’ve seen plenty of nasty stuff here directed at Clark’s family.

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  149. FeralScrote (176 comments) says:

    It is gonna be a hoot next year,we must remember this thread, when NZ on Air have a snivel that their funding has been cut.

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  150. adze (2,049 comments) says:

    PG – I have seen the odd comment about Clark’s husband (usually with sneer quotes), but nothing as nasty as the example in the OP.

    Did you report the example you’re thinking of?

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  151. Kimble (4,443 comments) says:

    Something vaguely relevant to the OP beyond you, Kimble?

    You mean like “black ops”?

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  152. FeralScrote (176 comments) says:

    Of course ,the difference is no commenter on a blog thread gets paid 30k to utter rape and death threats.
    If someone here or any other blog utters a death threat ,I am assuming,they would get moderated and /or be reported to the police ,assuming once again it is still a crime to utter such threats.
    Or are blog considered art and covered by the freedom of expression?

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  153. Alan Wilkinson (1,865 comments) says:

    @Judith, economic inequality is the inevitable consequence of inequalities of culture, intelligence and effort. Those who rage the most about it are the least likely to tackle its causes.

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  154. publicwatchdog (2,484 comments) says:

    For the public record – I don’t actually hate anyone.

    There are some some people I dislike, and some behaviours I really dislike.

    I dislike liars and lying.

    I don’t support the words of this song – killing the Prime Minister or having sex with his daughter.

    Just like I didn’t like the threats on Facebook threatening to kill Macsyna King arising from the publication of Ian Wishart’s book ‘Breaking Silence’ – and made a complaint to the Police.

    I understand the Police are now investigating as a result of the words of this song.

    Are the Police also going to investigate NZ lawyer Cathy Odgers ‘chop chop Nicky Hager’ email that was published in ‘Dirty Politics’ ?

    Penny Bright

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  155. Psycho Milt (2,401 comments) says:

    You mean like “black ops”?

    You don’t think the OP was another installment in National’s “the real dirty politics is on the left” propaganda series they’ve been running since “Dirty Politics” came out? It may have escaped some, eg Pete George seemed to feel the need to come along and spell it out for everyone, but you’re a lot smarter than Pete is.

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  156. Judith (8,530 comments) says:

    Okay, just had the teenager (son) attempt to explain the song to me because apparently ‘I don’t get it’ (he’s right so far).

    Now, hopefully I get this right but ‘kill the PM’ isn’t meant to physically ‘kill’ him but rather ‘kill’ what he stands for? However the sex with the daughter thing is meant to be an insult.

    As I pointed out to ‘teenager’, if you use the word ‘kill’ people are immediately going think murder – but apparently that is just ‘OLD’ people who think like that and ‘kill’ now also means ‘turn off’ or similar.

    I’m not looking forward to my second childhood, I doubt I’ll understand the language, but anyway, that was explanation. Heard the song on the news for the first time – yeah, not impressive at all – but then neither are most rappers songs in my mind, far too violent and explicit to do any good for society.

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  157. Johnboy (15,876 comments) says:

    “I’m not looking forward to my second childhood”

    From what you write here Judith I thought you were already living it like me! :)

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  158. Johnboy (15,876 comments) says:

    You must have been a bloody old rooter to still have a teenager?

    Most of my grandchildren are teenagers now! :)

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  159. Judith (8,530 comments) says:

    @ Johnboy (15,527 comments) says:
    August 26th, 2014 at 8:58 pm

    No, I’m working my way backwards to my childhood, at the moment I’m stuck in teenager mode – argumentative, stubborn, know-it-all, only thing I don’t have is the acne!

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  160. Judith (8,530 comments) says:

    @ Johnboy (15,528 comments) says:
    August 26th, 2014 at 9:00 pm

    Yeah, it was one of those ‘oppsie’ moments. He’s 19 now.

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  161. Johnboy (15,876 comments) says:

    What size training bra are you in? :)

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  162. Judith (8,530 comments) says:

    @ Johnboy (15,529 comments) says:
    August 26th, 2014 at 9:02 pm

    As many women can tell you – those things just cannot be ‘trained’ – they have a mind of their own and will be whatever they want to be, regardless of whatever you wish for!

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  163. Johnboy (15,876 comments) says:

    They do seem to be the only physical enTITIES that can move in every direction at the same time! :)

    A simple answer like say 38DD would suffice though Judith! :)

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  164. Redbaiter (8,234 comments) says:

    “when NZ on Air have a snivel that their funding has been cut.”

    If current National Party performance is anything to go on it will be increased.

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  165. Johnboy (15,876 comments) says:

    Once John gets a third term Red he’ll soon crack down hard on all this commie prog shit! :)

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  166. Southern Raider (1,773 comments) says:

    So the dickhead now claims the song was just to promote people to get out and vote

    And then some drop kick ex musician who now works as a lecturer at otago UNI defends the artistic merit

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  167. Griff (7,202 comments) says:

    Redblathers derangement syndrome.
    Requires a particularly paranoid worldview, teetering on the edge of or falling wholesale into tinfoil hat territory, as redblathery causes the victim to refuse to accept any source of information that doesn’t back up their prejudices (essentially, redblathers are almost always authoritarian as well as being politically right-wing). Constant gibbering about the “liberal media” as well as a slavish devotion to cognitive dissonance, conspiracy theories, global warming denialism, psychological projection, and crackpot theories of economics (i.e. Austrian school) are also, if not required, at the very least nearly universal symptoms. This is all usually accompanied by a side dish of a severe persecution complex. Not all redblathers are racists, misogynists, homophobes, or transphobes, though many racists, misogynists, homophobes, and transphobes are also redblatherers
    paraphrased from
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Wingnut

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  168. Johnboy (15,876 comments) says:

    Could be worse. He could be a lecturer at Waikato! :)

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  169. Southern Raider (1,773 comments) says:

    Although he’s probably paid $80K per annum he looked like he had just woken up from under a bridge on the Leith

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  170. Redbaiter (8,234 comments) says:

    JB I did respond to the questions you asked me the other day- (just so you know)

    I think you had gone when I came back.

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  171. Redbaiter (8,234 comments) says:

    “Once John gets a third term Red he’ll soon crack down hard on all this commie prog shit!”

    No he won’t JB, its just going to get worse.

    He had all the political capital he needed to fix all that shit when first elected (GFC etc) but he did SFA.

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  172. Johnboy (15,876 comments) says:

    I never look back Red. Especially in anger. Ephemeral I am just as we all are really! :)

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  173. Johnboy (15,876 comments) says:

    I was pulling your tit Red. I know he’ll never change. Coates was the last proper PM we ever had! :)

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  174. Scott Hamilton (298 comments) says:

    I don’t think Redbaiter would be satisfied by the Coates government. Weren’t the various relief work schemes they started during the early years of the Depression examples of large-scale intervention in the economy by the state? And what of that Apirana Ngata and his dairy farming schemes targeted especially at iwi?

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  175. Johnboy (15,876 comments) says:

    Red would be happy to get the bludgers out breaking rocks Scott. My old man worked on the Buller gorge road in 1928 never did him any harm. Spoke of it kindly he did! :)

    Except for the earthquake! :)

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  176. Kimble (4,443 comments) says:

    You don’t think the OP was another installment in National’s “the real dirty politics is on the left” propaganda series they’ve been running since “Dirty Politics” came out?

    It must be hard for you to maintain your fantasy that political violence in NZ is evenly spread across the political spectrum. I mean, when every other day some Leftist provides the world with another new example.

    Example upon example upon example, until poor Milt just can’t take it any more and … blames National for existing as a target. I mean, this “campaign” National is engaging upon of being the victim of Leftist attacks has to stop!

    No doubt you think that at the very least the reporting should be fair and balanced and only report on incitement to violence and hate-speech conducted by a Leftist AFTER they find an example of the same conducted by a National supporter.

    And you still fail to see any irony in the fact that Hager named his book being called “Dirty Politics”. Its not a book ABOUT dirty politics as much as an example of dirty politics.

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  177. Gravelroad (99 comments) says:

    If I go down to the main street of my town and start yelling out with a megaphone that I want to kill the mayor and rape his/her children, what would be the consequences for me?
    I think I might be arrested or, at the very least, taken away to undergo some psychiatric assessment.
    Of course, I am not young, cool, or even vaguely musical.

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  178. Tinshed (138 comments) says:

    Well late to the party I know but, for the record, two points of note. How Orwellian is the name of this “singer/singers”, i.e. @peace? It is often a clue in many walks of life, including the corporate world in which I inhabit, when things are named to be the precise opposite of what they actually are. Advocating murder from someone who has the handle “@peace”? How very 1984. I am going to speculate that those behind @peace, haven’t read 1984, but that is just a guess on my part.

    Secondly, how many members of @peace have daughters? I don’t know the answer to this question, but again I speculate (and excuse the hip-hop reference), not many, if any. Anyone who has a daughter would not, actually could not, write such lyrics unless they were seriously deranged. And I would wish, sincerely, that each and every one of these men do have the privilege of having a daughter so they can experience the wonderful relationship that only a father and daughter can have. If they had ever experienced such a relationship, there is no way they could write such lyrics. And when they do, if they are truly blessed, have a daughter I wonder, how will they answer the question, “Daddy, why did you write such words”? Good luck answering, @peace.

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  179. Psycho Milt (2,401 comments) says:

    It must be hard for you to maintain your fantasy that political violence in NZ is evenly spread across the political spectrum. I mean, when every other day some Leftist provides the world with another new example.

    I must have missed all these stories about political violence by the left, which is odd because you’d think the news media would have mentioned them.

    And you still fail to see any irony in the fact that Hager named his book being called “Dirty Politics”. Its not a book ABOUT dirty politics as much as an example of dirty politics.

    I certainly see an irony in you peddling that line, though…

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  180. Kimble (4,443 comments) says:

    I must have missed all these stories about political violence by the left, which is odd because you’d think the news media would have mentioned them.

    They did. You just ignored them because you’d prefer they didn’t exist.

    I am sure that billboard just spontaneously combusted, the crowd were actually chanting “fuck donkeys” and the lyrics were meant to be “I’m gonna kill this prime minute steak”.

    Ah, the little white lies we tell ourselves to get through the day.

    They are white lies because, you know, your skin colour is white.

    I certainly see an irony in you peddling that line, though…

    Again, you use that word, but I don’t think it means what you think it means.

    In any case, well done crafting a retort that would embarrass a six year old. ‘Dirty Politics’ isnt dirty politics, YOU’RE dirty politics!

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  181. mcardnas (79 comments) says:

    http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/08/25/nicky-hager-livestream-on-the-daily-blog-7-30pm-wednesday-27th/

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  182. mcardnas (79 comments) says:

    Kimble (4,404 comments) says:
    August 27th, 2014 at 10:26 am

    you know, your skin colour is white.

    mines skin flesh colored pink. just sayin

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  183. Psycho Milt (2,401 comments) says:

    Kimble: leaving aside your apparent failure to understand the meaning of the term ‘violence,’ you seem to be treating some asshole running his mouth off or defacing a billboard as comparable with dirty tricks arranged by political leaders and the people employed by them. They’re really not.

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  184. Kimble (4,443 comments) says:

    Please tell me you aren’t a teacher: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/violence

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  185. Mark (1,467 comments) says:

    Not only is the hip hop group that penned and released this song a disgraceful example of the culture it comes from, the fact that it has yet to be loudly condemned by the left wing political parties and groups such as women’s refuge, rape crisis et al is almost as distasteful as the song itself.

    This group and the low lives that make up the group should never see one more cent of public funding and hopefully the police inquiry into it will turn up a result.

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