Labour Party candidate calls John Key “Shylock”

August 11th, 2014 at 1:24 pm by David Farrar

shylock

 

is ’s candidate for Rangitata.

He is entitled to call John Key a “nasty little creep, “with a nasty evil vindictive sneer” even though this doesn’t quite fit Labour’s Vote Positive campaign.

But he is not entitled to call John Key “Shylock”. That is racist and anti-Semitic.

I expect Labour will deselect Steve Gibson rather than have a racist candidate. Well I hope they do.

Hat Tip: Whale Oil

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213 Responses to “Labour Party candidate calls John Key “Shylock””

  1. ShawnLH (4,482 comments) says:

    The Labour party must deselect him and publicly apologize for this anti-Semitic outburst.

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  2. kowtow (8,198 comments) says:

    “But he is not entitled to call John Key “Shylock”. That is racist and anti-Semitic.”

    I disagree .He is entitled to say what he likes,short of criminal incitement. Freedom of speech is too important to limit it due to subjective judgements of race or offensiveness.

    What it does allow us ,as an educated and free electorate is to make a judgement about the character and suitablity of the speaker to represent us in parliamnet and indeed anyone who would vote for someone who feels that that sort of comment has any place in mainstream political discourse.

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  3. Peter (1,689 comments) says:

    This guy is surely gone.

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  4. Ed Snack (1,838 comments) says:

    Some chance, he’s just saying what the party in general thinks. Hatred is the dominant emotion on the left these days, not that it wasn’t before but it was typically better concealed.

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  5. I Say Look Here (56 comments) says:

    Yes indeed, has to go. But will he?

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  6. ShawnLH (4,482 comments) says:

    This is yet more evidence that the likely vandals defacing National billboards with anti-Semitic racist filth are from the Left.

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  7. Tinshed (144 comments) says:

    I think now is the time for David Cunliffe to show some leadership on this issue. He needs to come out firmly and positively to state that such words are unacceptable and to act accordingly. There are plenty of ways he can spin this to make him and Labour look good. Will he do so? I am unsure if he has the character to do so.

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  8. Bob R (1,362 comments) says:

    What’s the rest of his comment say about Key’s connection to the GFC? Would be interested to see how they can blame Key for that!

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  9. RightNow (6,973 comments) says:

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  10. Vinick (214 comments) says:

    #votepositive

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  12. Harriet (4,795 comments) says:

    Young voters have been led a daily diet from the lefty MSM to believe that Israel[read Jews] are moraly wrong on everything.

    And who are also baby killers – worse than Kermit Gosnell – the man they mostly hid from NZ TV.

    Labour is just staying on message. :cool:

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  13. James Stephenson (2,145 comments) says:

    I think John Key needs to publicly deny that any one from his party or the young nats are behind this.

    “This” being the apparent hacking of a Labour candidate’s Facebook account? Truly you couldn’t be more of a muppet if the late Jim Henson’s hand was stuffed up your arse.

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  14. Ross12 (1,391 comments) says:

    There is as much chance of Labour saying or doing anything about this as I have of winning Lotto next weekend.

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  15. jakejakejake (134 comments) says:

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  16. Interested (22 comments) says:

    This should be submitted to Susan Devoy….

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  17. ShawnLH (4,482 comments) says:

    “How will people view John Key”

    According to the polls hj, very favorably.

    ” the enabler. Mister Spray and Walk Away.”

    Ah right, associate him with an ad featuring an Asian to make your real point.

    Your irrational fearmongering about the Yellow Hordes invading NZ is messing with your brain.

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  18. Sporteone (36 comments) says:

    Holy Hell. Some of the people making comments on here need to take a bloody good look at themselves. Heaven help the rest of us

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  19. doggone7 (769 comments) says:

    kowtow: “He is entitled to say what he likes,short of criminal incitement. Freedom of speech is too important to limit it due to subjective judgements of race or offensiveness.”

    You are perfectly right. I’d say that the imminent election has bloggers coming up with pathetic, flimsy stuff and throwing it about with gay abandon but that would probably have Susan Devoy, the Press Council, some Ombudsman and Uncle Tom Cobley after me.

    Shylock
    (as noun a Shylock) A moneylender who charges extremely high rates of interest. [Oxford Dictionaries]

    Shy•lock
    n.1. a relentless, revengeful moneylender in Shakespeare’s Merchant of Venice.
    2. a cruel moneylender.
    v.i.
    3. (l.c.) to lend money for extortionate interest. [TheFreeDictionary]

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  20. dime (9,804 comments) says:

    TBH i had no idea skylock was an anti-jewish thing.. but im 99% sure those on the left do.

    anyone read Susan Devoys media release on this yet?

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  21. Manolo (13,518 comments) says:

    Since when is UT a Labour candidate?

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  22. OneTrack (2,987 comments) says:

    Vote positive didn’t last long. Its in the leftie gene.

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  23. Jinky (184 comments) says:

    So Laila objects to “sugardady” comment and she’s being too sensitive but you think a candidate should resign/be sacked for calling John Key a moneylender? As others have said here we need to defend Free Speech. If that means defending comments we don’t agree with that possibly makes it more important. It’s easy to defend people’s rights when you agree with them it’s more difficult when we are called upon to defend the rights of our opponents. However if Human/Civil rights are important at all then they MUST be universal. Otherwise it’s just an extension of Privlege to the select few.

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  24. David Farrar (1,883 comments) says:

    Some people here are fucking idiots.

    Free speech is not speech free of consequences.

    No one is saying he should be jailed for being a racist.

    What I am saying is one should not vote for a party that has a racist anti-semite as a candidate.

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  25. RightNow (6,973 comments) says:

    “Some people here are fucking idiots.”

    I’d give you more upticks if it was possible.

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  26. ShawnLH (4,482 comments) says:

    “Some people here are fucking idiots.”

    Yup, and a few of them are using your blog for anti-Semitic propaganda.

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  27. insider (1,028 comments) says:

    I’m sure cunliffe’s close associate greg presland immediately admonished the guy, just as he regularly does on the stranded…

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  28. oldpark (266 comments) says:

    Wonder why he would bring the good people of Timaru into disrepute.It is a sad day for the nation of NZ when a Labour Party hand picked racist called Steve Gibson is selected to fly the Labour Flag, as bearers of anti Jewish dogma.What an indictment of a union fuelled gutter antideluvian once was a real Labour party.

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  29. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

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  30. MT_Tinman (3,105 comments) says:

    What I am saying is one should not vote for a party that has a racist anti-semite as a candidate.

    DPF, I agree wholeheartedly but must ask whether Mr Gibson is “a racist anti-semite” or simply not bright enough to realise the expression he used is both racist and anti-Semitic?

    Either way, of course, it is yet another reason for vote the good guys currently running the country rather splendidly.

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  31. RightNow (6,973 comments) says:

    Judith … is starting to sound totally desperate and very pathetic.

    Managed to cut out 90+ percent of that for you Judith, and it only made more sense.

    You’re welcome :)

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  33. Jack5 (5,014 comments) says:

    This is a vile attack!

    If this is the Steve Gibson who has a wife of a different ethnicity, it’s more surprising and more pointed.

    If it’s not possible to tackle John Key on an issue the political rats go after his ancestry through his Jewish mother, who I understand lost nearly all her family in the holocaust. What craven cowards!

    I agree with Interested’s post at 1.44. Will Devoy do anything about this?

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  34. wreck1080 (3,861 comments) says:

    this election is the nastiest i can recall in the few years I’ve become interested in such things.

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  35. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Jack5 (4,667 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 2:08 pm

    Where in that statement does he attack John Key’s heritage? Where does he attack his mother’s religion?

    He called him the equivalent of a “jewish money lender” NOW, please explain how that is abuse ? Do you think that being a money lender is some sort of disgraceful occupation?

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  36. Tinshed (144 comments) says:

    I am beginning to think commentators such as jakejakejake, RightNow and hj don’t understand the history of the 20th century. The Holocaust resulted in the death of some 6 million Jews across Europe. It was initiated and lead by Germany who was at the time regarded as a civilised, Christian country. It was the land of Bach, Beethoven, Goethe and Schiller. But underpinning its civilised exterior was the dark secret of anti-semitism, the belief that Jews were evil, money-lending Christ-killers who deserved to excluded and marginalised from society. It was all their fault and they deserved whatever suffering was inflicted upon them. After the Holocaust the world, especially Europe and even more so Germany realised that this must never happen again. The Germans have done a very good job of confronting their past and dealing with it. A large part of this is that anti-semitism was evil and must be rooted out and thwarted wherever possible. It was that anti-semitism that led to the greatest crime against humanity. There can be no tolerance for expressions of anti-semitism. It is never OK.

    I have spent time in places like Hungary where anti-semitism is sadly still alive and well. Even today you can hear anti-semitic comments from politicians to ordinary citizens. It is frightening and distressing because you think, “Could it happen again?” And the answer is yes, it could. So it behoves us all to do all we can to eradicate anti-semitism – or at the very least the public expression of it.

    The problem is not Israel or its actions in Gaza, it is not the Jews: the problem is us, and our acceptance of anti-semitism, including, by their deafening silence, too many of our political leaders.

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  37. Daniel (204 comments) says:

    David Farrar: “What I am saying is one should not vote for a party that has a racist anti-semite as a candidate.”

    Makes for slim pickings if you’re a leftwing voter.

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  38. alwyn (411 comments) says:

    Ross12 @ 1.41 pm said

    “There is as much chance of Labour saying or doing anything about this as I have of winning Lotto next weekend”

    Your chances of winning Lotto are much, much higher. If you buy a 10 line lucky dip your chances of winning the first division are about 1 in 380,000.
    I would suggest the chances of the Labour Party doing anything about this are precisely zero.

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  39. kowtow (8,198 comments) says:

    dime

    Shylock is a nasty Jewish money lender in Shakespeare’s Merchant of Venice. A great play by the way.But can be interpreted as anti semitic .

    Very famous speech by Portia awarding Shylock his pound of flesh…..

    “Take then thy bond,take thou the pound of flesh,
    But in the cutting it if tho dost shed
    One drop of Christian blood……”

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  40. Bob (496 comments) says:

    The best thing National can do is to take Steve Gibson’s picture and remarks and place them on a pamphlet delivered to every address in the electorate as an example of the sort of candidate Labour are giving them.

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  41. OTGO (539 comments) says:

    Wreck @ 2.11 pm
    It’s the nastiest because the left are desperate.

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  42. Huevon (217 comments) says:

    The villainy that you teach me I will execute!!

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  43. ShawnLH (4,482 comments) says:

    “Yeah, and a few are making statements that aren’t even anti-semitic but others, such as yourself are feigning offence just to win political points.”

    What a load of bollocks Judith. I am not feigning offense to win political points. The issue is one I care about deeply. I belong to two pro-Israel groups, made a point of regularly attending synagogue services while I was studying in Auckland, and have cared about anti-Semitism for decades.

    Frankly, that shameful lie is just crawling into the gutter.

    “Do you think that being a money lender is some sort of disgraceful occupation?”

    Are you being deliberately dishonest? It was JEWISH money lender, and that term has been used by anti-Semites for hundreds of years, as anyone with a modicum of education in history would know.

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  44. RightNow (6,973 comments) says:

    @Tinshed – I hate explaining (and thought I’d made it clear in the last line), but my comment was a parody, repeating verbatim some of the comments made on the thread http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/08/a_third_anti-semitic_defacement.html

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  45. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ kowtow (7,746 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 2:16 pm

    “a nasty Jewish Money Lender” = exactly – John Key speaks openly about his jewish heritage – nothing new there. He also speaks openly about his employment history – as a money lender. The only word open to opinion is whether ‘nasty’ is fitting or not. Now, do we really crucify people because they think the PM is nasty – Mr Gibson would have many supporting witnesses at a trial to defend his implication if that was to be judged as a crime.

    The name is factually correct – Key is of jewish origin and he was a money lender.

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  46. Daniel (204 comments) says:

    So both Labour and Internet-Mana have had candidates publish anti-semetic racist remarks. No wonder the Greens are polling higher than Labour in some electorates.

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  47. ShawnLH (4,482 comments) says:

    RightNow,

    yup, I got that. I thought it was funny. :)

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  48. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    If you prick us, do we not bleed?

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  49. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    ShawnLH (4,036 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 2:19 pm

    It was JEWISH money lender

    Oh, so being a money lender is only a disgraceful occupation, if you are Jewish?

    I think you need to look at your own prejudices a bit closer Shawn.

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  50. ShawnLH (4,482 comments) says:

    “The name is factually correct – Key is of jewish origin and he was a money lender.”

    How the hell did you manage to become an academic?

    For hundreds of years that term has been used by anti-Semites, especially by the Nazis.

    Are you really that ignorant of history, or are you just desperately trying to spin this because of your hatred for Key?

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  51. kowtow (8,198 comments) says:

    “The name is factually correct – Key is of jewish origin and he was a money lender.”

    Judith, you’re not doing yourself any favours there. Is labour’s poor polling getting to you?

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  52. RightNow (6,973 comments) says:

    I love it when Shrewdith gets all fired up.

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  53. flash2846 (261 comments) says:

    @ kowtow – Freedom of speech is too important to limit….

    Not often if at all I disagree with you but try this:

    Freedom of speech is not important at all compared with freedom to state facts with logical reasoning without being slanted by media activists.
    No-one should be free to tell lies or make selective statements which influence retards to vote their way.

    Very important “If it is not a fact it doesn’t exist” (Original quote from me)

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  54. kowtow (8,198 comments) says:

    Right now

    Who will tame her though?

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  55. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Shawn

    So Mr Gibson doesn’t like Jewish money lenders – it is still not anti-semitic. I do dislike Key, but I’m not ashamed of his employment history nor his heritage – although it appears you are, if you take insult at this!

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  56. kowtow (8,198 comments) says:

    flash

    We can’t have the Australian equivalent of 18C. Too important.Look at the prosecutions there.

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  57. ben (2,374 comments) says:

    I’m surprised Mr Cunliffe has any hair left, he must be tearing it out with the quality of support he has attracted.

    I look forward to this, and not whatever policies were announced yesterday by Labour, to be leading tonight’s news.

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  58. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Judith
    You are making more of a fool of yourself than usual. Not liking ‘Jewish money lenders’? That’s pretty much the definition of anti-Semitism right there.
    Steve Gibson might come back and say that he just used the term ‘Shylock’ to mean a banker, but I think you have got his meaning all right.

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  59. ShawnLH (4,482 comments) says:

    Judith is lying. For a start her claim that I and others who stand up against anti-Semitism just to win political points is a shameful bit of dishonesty.

    And her attempts to spin the money lender issue are also dishonest, as it is common knowledge that this is a standard anti-Semitic term of abuse. Judith either knows that, or is frankly pig ignorant. I expect she knows.

    Judith’s increasingly hysteria driven hatred for JK is melting what is left of her brain.

    Downplaying and trying to spin blatant anti-Semitism is a disgusting tactic.

    Judith, seriously, seek professional help.

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  60. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ RightNow (6,708 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 2:24 pm

    But I didn’t start the thread did I? It appears to me there is only one group of people that are firing this up – and that is the group feigning their sensitivity and offence… the group that has most to gain out of this – its no worse than what Key called Harre – but I didn’t notice anyone here being offended about that.

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  61. ben (2,374 comments) says:

    I completely agree that man is entitled to say what he said. And voters are fully entitled to judge him and the party who selected him in view of his comments. Sunshine, disinfectant, and all that.

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  62. goldnkiwi (1,264 comments) says:

    Tinshed (89 comments) says:

    August 11th, 2014 at 2:13 pm

    Lest we forget!!!!!

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  63. ShawnLH (4,482 comments) says:

    “it is still not anti-semitic. I do dislike Key, but I’m not ashamed of his employment history nor his heritage – although it appears you are, if you take insult at this!”

    Your lying Judith. It is common knowledge that “Jewish money lender” has been used for hundreds of years by anti-Semites.

    I am not ashamed by Keys past work history, that is another blatant lie.

    How far into the gutter are you prepared to crawl?

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  64. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (4,039 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 2:29 pm

    You clearly don’t understand the difference between a lie and an opinion. That is my opinion, you cannot call an opinion a lie. I truly believe you are acting like a wimpy pansy and feigning your offence solely to score political points.

    The gutter gets a whole heap deeper where Key is concerned – especially with you digging the hole!! :P

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  65. Manolo (13,518 comments) says:

    The poor Bainite woman has become today’s clown and laughing stock!

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  66. Jack5 (5,014 comments) says:

    Re Judith at 2.19:

    John Key was not a money lender. He was a currency trader, and one of the best, and a merchant banker, both honourable occupations. Not that I think there is inherently wrong with being a money lender. A money lender can be good, bad, charitable, nasty like anyone-else.

    Re your earlier post, Judith: The creep Gibson called Key a “Shylock”, not a money lender.

    My Shorter Oxford says of the term Shylock, which of course comes from Shakespeare:

    The name of the Jewish money-lender in Shaks Merchant of Venice hence allus. an extortionate money-lender.

    “Allus.” is the dictionary’s abbreviation for “allusively”.

    Heaping on the lie that John Key had been a money-lender the accusation he had been an extortionist, and allusively linking this to is Jewish heritage is dirty, nasty, and in my view shows Gibson is unsuitable to be an MP.

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  67. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    I’m still waiting for someone to explain what is so disgraceful about being a Jewish money lender?

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  68. ShawnLH (4,482 comments) says:

    “You clearly don’t understand the difference between a lie and an opinion. That is my opinion, you cannot call an opinion a lie.”

    I understand the difference, I also understand that your hatred of JK makes you dishonest and nasty.

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  69. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    There is nothing disgraceful about being a money lender, from whatever ethnicity. You are deliberately missing the point. Shylock is a well known anti-Semitic caricature. Calling someone Shylock is an anti-Semitic epithet. It’s not too difficult to understand.

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  70. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Jack5 (4,669 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    He did not call him ‘a shylock’ – he called him Shonky Jonkey Shylock.

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  71. Harriet (4,795 comments) says:

    To equate Key with Shylock is to simply suggest that Key is a ‘money hungry Jew’ — a derogatory term from the past.

    The last time I looked Judith:

    Key was a Canterbury University of NZ graduate in economics, who went on to oversee the lending of money at ML, amongst other things he did while there[ I understand the rest of his time in the private sector was spent in FX elsewhere - not money lending].

    Jew doesn’t come into his time while working in finance. He didn’t work in Zurich for example.

    You are being silly to take the position that you are.

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  72. Tarquin North (256 comments) says:

    I’m waiting for Cunliffe to apologise.

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  73. ShawnLH (4,482 comments) says:

    “I’m still waiting for someone to explain”

    That has been explained to you, several times. Your lying again. It is a standard term of anti-Semitic abuse. Either you know this, and are thus lying, or your so ignorant that your claim to being an academic is a lie.

    Which is it?

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  74. dad4justice (8,097 comments) says:

    “I also understand that your hatred of JK makes you dishonest and nasty.”

    What a load of nonsense.

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  75. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (4,041 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    Like I said Shawn, my opinion is just that, you cannot call it dishonest – as far as nasty is concerned, do I really have to scroll back through the thousands of posts you have made being really nasty to anyone and everyone that doesn’t agree with you, just to prove what a hypocrite you are?

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  76. ShawnLH (4,482 comments) says:

    “He did not call him ‘a shylock’ – he called him Shonky Jonkey Shylock.”

    So in fact he DID use the term Shylock. He did call him Shylock. Good Lord, that is bloody obvious.

    Your spinning is making you look mentally deranged.

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  77. Evadne (88 comments) says:

    Judith, please do yourself (and us) a favour by googling “shylock and anti-semitism” or “Shylock and Nazi propaganda”.

    No one (on the right) is saying there is anything wrong with being Jewish or a moneylender. It is the name “Shylock” and all its connotations which is the problem: rightly or wrongly, Shakespeare’s Jewish money-lender character has been long used by anti-Semites as a caricature of “evil jews”, particularly by the Nazis.

    If you can’t be bothered googling, read this link: http://www.nytimes.com/1993/04/04/theater/theater-shylock-and-nazi-propaganda.html, or if that is too long: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shylock#Influence_on_antisemitism

    If you can’t be bothered reading either of those, don’t complain if we assume your comments go beyond willful ignorance to complicit endorsement.

    Bear in mind that this “Shylock” comment has not come out of the blue, but on top of a considerable amount of anti-semitism from left-wing supporters, parties, and, sadly, candidates, and you can at least see why people might become upset, even if you do not.

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  78. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    ‘He did not call him ‘a shylock’’
    You are splitting hairs again. Attaching the label Shylock to John Key invokes the anti-Semitic stereotype.

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  79. Bob R (1,362 comments) says:

    ***It was that anti-semitism that led to the greatest crime against humanity.***

    @ Tinshed,

    Far more were killed by Mao and Stalin. You’re right though that anti-semitic comments, as Gibson’s appears to be, need to be viewed in context of various persecutions/pograms over the centuries.

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  80. straya (70 comments) says:

    Judith, I am sure that you are closing your eyes to what you know to be true. It’s plain from the context that “Shylock” was intended to be an insult, together with the epithets which surrounded it in the facebook post. After all, why say the word at all if not to insult.

    In the unlikely event that you are interested in learning something, rather than defending the indefensible, read this:-

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100235827/the-merchant-of-venice-is-a-greater-incitement-to-anti-semitism-than-the-protocols-of-the-elders-of-zion/

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  81. ShawnLH (4,482 comments) says:

    “Like I said Shawn, my opinion is just that, you cannot call it dishonest”

    Yes I can, because you either know your “opinion” is a lie, or you are ignorant of historical fact and spinning this against National, which would also be a lie.

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  82. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (4,042 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 2:38 pm

    I don’t believe you. Shylock was a Jewish Money Lender – he was a nasty man. There are many that would think that describes John Key perfectly, without being anti-semitic. My family lost people in the holocaust – both Jewish and Romany – and I don’t find it anti-semitic. Insulting yes – but it does not say anything derogatory about Jews, unless you think that money lending is a disgraceful occupation.

    Unlike you – my opinions are not formed by what the ‘crowd’ thinks, but by the factual application of the term.

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  83. David Farrar (1,883 comments) says:

    Judith – calling some a Shylock is a term of abuse for being Jewish. Ask any Jew if being called a Shylock is not an anti-semitic term of abuse, and see what they say. It’s like arguing that nigger isn’t racist.

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  84. Jack5 (5,014 comments) says:

    Tarquin North posted at 2.37:

    I’m waiting for Cunliffe to apologise.

    He ought to just fire Gibson.

    Let’s not get sorry-sorry Cunliffe into another delirious bout of apologising (for being a man, etc etc).

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  85. RF (1,370 comments) says:

    Hang on a minute. I am sure Steve Gibson is one of Cunners old Mates from Timaru.

    There was a recent TV shot with Cunners and 2 locals having a drink in a hotel down that way. One of the locals was quite dismissive of Gibson and mentioned that apart from not liking him he was pleased to get a cheque back off him.

    Cunners looked quite sheepish about this.

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  86. ShawnLH (4,482 comments) says:

    “Unlike you – my opinions are not formed by what the ‘crowd’ thinks, but by the factual application of the term.”

    My understanding IS based on facts, not what the crowd thinks.

    Here is the FACTUAL application of the term.

    For Judith’s education. Proof that she is either lying or just plain ignorant.

    Shylock and modern antisemitism.

    “The play is frequently staged today, but is potentially troubling to modern audiences due to its central themes, which can easily appear antisemitic. Critics today still continue to argue over the play’s stance on antisemitism.

    The character’s name has become a synonym for loan shark, and as a verb to shylock means to lend money at exorbitant rates. In addition, the phrase “pound of flesh” has also entered the lexicon as slang for a particularly onerous or unpleasant obligation.”

    Influence on antisemitism

    Regardless of what Shakespeare’s own intentions may have been, the play has been made use of by antisemites throughout the play’s history. One must note that the end of the title in the 1619 edition “With the Extreme Cruelty of Shylock the Jew…” must describe how Shylock was viewed by the English public. The Nazis used Shylock for their propaganda. Shortly after Kristallnacht in 1938, The Merchant of Venice was broadcast for propagandistic ends over the German airwaves. Productions of the play followed in Lübeck (1938), Berlin (1940), and elsewhere within Nazi-occupied territory.[12]

    The depiction of Jews in the literature of England and other English-speaking countries throughout the centuries bears a strong imprint of The Merchant of Venice’s Shylock. With slight variations much of English literature up until the 20th century depicts the Jew as “a monied, cruel, lecherous, avaricious outsider tolerated only because of his golden hoard”.[13]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shylock#Shylock_and_modern_antisemitism

    This one sentence is worth repeating:

    “The Nazis used Shylock for their propaganda. Shortly after Kristallnacht in 1938, The Merchant of Venice was broadcast for propagandistic ends over the German airwaves. Productions of the play followed in Lübeck (1938), Berlin (1940), and elsewhere within Nazi-occupied territory.”

    Now it took me two minutes to google and find this. Why couldn’t Judith?

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  87. Tinshed (144 comments) says:

    @Tinshed – I hate explaining (and thought I’d made it clear in the last line), but my comment was a parody, repeating verbatim some of the comments made on the thread http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/08/a_third_anti-semitic_defacement.html

    @RightNow. I apologise. My mistake.

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  88. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    David Farrar (1,863 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    I have asked – and he laughed at me, adding that not all Jews regard Shylock as an insult, and raved on about popular Judaism.

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  89. IGM (241 comments) says:

    Highlights the filth and scum that reside within the Labour ranks. This is just another outburst from a leeching loser who lives in envy of our highly popular, wealthy, and learned PM.

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  90. cha (3,935 comments) says:

    It’s like arguing that nigger isn’t racist.

    heh

    To have the pinko’s come out and suggest that history has to be changed because someone doesn’t like a word being repeated, is PC based bullshit.

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2011/06/digger_v_nigger.html#comment-842277

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  91. ShawnLH (4,482 comments) says:

    “The Nazis used Shylock for their propaganda. Shortly after Kristallnacht in 1938, The Merchant of Venice was broadcast for propagandistic ends over the German airwaves. Productions of the play followed in Lübeck (1938), Berlin (1940), and elsewhere within Nazi-occupied territory.”

    Now it took me two minutes to google and find this. Why couldn’t Judith?

    Come on Judith, fess up and admit your a dishonest bullshit artist.

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  92. ShawnLH (4,482 comments) says:

    SHYLOCK AFTER AUSCHWITZ:THE MERCHANT OF VENICE ON THE POST-HOLOCAUST STAGE—SUBVERSION, CONFRONTATION, AND PROVOCATION.

    http://www.jcrt.org/archives/08.3/Horowitz.pdf

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  93. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    ShawnLH (4,045 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 2:48 pm

    Because I asked the Jew sitting next to me as I typed this, was he insulted by it. I should add that he is a practicing Jew. He finds it funny and said he’s used to it, but said it is insulting that his religion is being used in a political campaign, to score points on both sides.

    You may hear more about that because he is attending a meeting this afternoon regarding the matter and a possible public statement.

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  94. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (4,047 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 2:53 pm

    How many times do I have to tell you – I don’t give a damn what the ignorant crowd think. The term is only insulting if you want it to be. In the context in which it was applied it was not anti-semitic, but an insult to John Key for what he is.

    You need to go take a chill pill before you blow a valve – you can post any stuff you want to it won’t change my opinion. My colleague isn’t insulted, so I have no reason to be either!

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  95. wreck1080 (3,861 comments) says:

    Didn’t labour say they were going to lay of the hate speech?

    Or was that the greens?

    Regardless, both labour and the greens are spewing hate.

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  96. Lance (2,629 comments) says:

    Judith digs a hole… and keeps on digging.
    We are all not laughing with you, we are laughing at you Judith.

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  97. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    cha
    Ha ha. I’d forgotten about the whole Nigger/Digger affair and how it made Elaycee blow a valve.

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  98. ShawnLH (4,482 comments) says:

    “How many times do I have to tell you – I don’t give a damn what the ignorant crowd think.”

    The only one displaying ignorance is you. And that stament is also a lie. I posted facts from Wikipedia, including how Shylock was used by the Nazis. So either your lying, or just selectively reading only what suits your dishonest spin.

    “You need to go take a chill pill before you blow a valve ”

    You need to stop lying in a childish and laughable attempt to spin this against National.

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  99. Tinshed (144 comments) says:

    @Bob R

    You are right to point out the vast numbers of people who lost their lives under Stalin and Mao. That these two men were heinous monsters is beyond question. There is of course an enormous amount of historical debate about the equivalence, or otherwise, of their actions in comparison to the Holocaust. There are cogent and compelling arguments on both sides. In no way would I ever seek to under-play or diminish the awfulness of their crimes.

    In my view what makes the Holocaust, and anti-semitism in particular, such a touchstone issue is that it happened in a country that was democratic (at least in 1933), Christian and with a rich culture of Western art and music. Therefore we as like-minded countries have a special responsibility to ensure it doesn’t happen again.

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  100. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (4,049 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 3:03 pm

    How many times do you need to be told. This is my opinion – I’m allowed to have it – regardless of whether it matches yours and even wiki – it doesn’t matter Shawn if the whole world thinks differently. I’ve had a good long chat to a practising Jew who has contributed to me forming that opinion – an opinion cannot be a lie. Just because its different to yours, and to others, doesn’t make it wrong – none of you are the ultimate god or in any position to pass judgement on who has the right opinion.

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  101. ShawnLH (4,482 comments) says:

    “Because I asked the Jew sitting next to me as I typed this, was he insulted by it.”

    That sounds very convenient. But so far you have given us no reason to believe anything you say. You have already proven how low you are willing to sink to spin this issue in favor of your hatred of JK.

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  102. ShawnLH (4,482 comments) says:

    “How many times do you need to be told. This is my opinion – I’m allowed to have it –”

    Not if it is factually wrong. Opinions are not excuses for being wrong. And not if this so-called opinion is a basis for your anti JK spin.

    If you make an argument, expect to have to back it up with facts. You now how KB works, it’s a debating forum. You can’t make a claim, and then whine that it’s just your opinion when people prove you wrong. If the facts disprove your opinion, and you continue to hold to it, that is lying, not opinion.

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  103. KiwiGreg (3,234 comments) says:

    “As others have said here we need to defend Free Speech.”

    Actually all we need defend is the right to free speech. Once you exercise that right you are accountable for it. It’s too much to ask that this turkey’s electorate will hold him accountable, any more than Peters’ will hold him accountable. Given the left’s anti-semitism, they’ll probably be cheering from the sidelines.

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  104. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (4,050 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 3:11 pm

    Oh you pathetic little child – I read the lead to this thread to my colleague at the same time I first saw it. We had been discussing the billboard stuff just prior to that, so it was pertinent to show him this. He’s assisting me with my research – which is why he was here. A really nice man, and its nice to have the perspective of someone older. He’s also very knowledgeable in this sort of issue, so its great to have his viewpoint – to actually know what the people most affected by such actions think and believe.

    Please don’t believe that I could care whether you believe anything I say or not – there is very very little that you say which I believe. The fact is Shawn, it is your ‘adoration’ of John Key that makes you just as dishonest as you claim me to be – only you can’t and won’t admit that because clearly as you have demonstrated, you aren’t exactly a prime example of a balanced thinker either.

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  105. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (4,051 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 3:14 pm

    But its not factually wrong – is it Shawn. When you take the basic facts, it is actually right. The character was a Jewish Money Lender. John Key is Jewish, and was a banker dealing in a trade that in essence is money lending.

    Therefore the application of that name, when you cut out opinions, offence, emotional stuff, propaganda etc – is exactly what it is – a description of that loosely applies to John Key. Its only when you apply the subjective to it, that it becomes more.

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  106. Pete George (23,437 comments) says:

    Labour candidate sorry for Shylock comment

    Labour’s candidate for Rangitata Steven Gibson says he did not mean to cause offence when he referred to Prime Minister John Key as Shylock in a recent social media post and has apologised.

    Mr Gibson said on Monday he didn’t actually understand what the term Shylock referred to, and was repeating what a constituent had said about Mr Key in the context of a bad deal.

    He said he deleted the Facebook post after it was pointed out that his comments were offensive.

    Why did he make the comment if he “didn’t actually understand what the term Shylock referred to”?

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  107. Kimble (4,427 comments) says:

    I asked the Maori next to me if he was insulted by the term Uncle Tom. He said no.
    I asked the Asian next to me if he was insulted by the term Charlie. He said no.
    I asked the Aussie next to me if he was insulted by the term Skip. He said no.

    Then again, Tom, Charlie, and Skip are fairly thick-skinned guys.

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  108. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    Is it me or is the Squash Player laughably out of her League in this role?? (The role is a joke anyway..)

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  109. Pete George (23,437 comments) says:

    Link: http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/251870/labour-candidate-sorry-for-shylock-comment

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  110. ShawnLH (4,482 comments) says:

    Judith, your the one being a pathetic little child. You got caught out making a factually challenged claim, you were proven wrong, and now your whining about that.

    Get a spine. This is a debating forum. You can’t just trot out any old bullshit and then complain when people prove you wrong, or merely argue against you.

    Do you think your special in some way? Above the rest of us? Do you think that of all the people who post here you should be allowed to do so without being challenged? Narcissistic much?

    Nor can you hide behind the claim that it’s just opinion. That is a childish excuse. If a teacher insisted on teaching her class that 2+2=7 she would not be able to claim that she is entitled to do so because it is her opinion.

    Facts are facts, and your claim is not factual.

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  111. tom hunter (4,711 comments) says:

    Judith
    You are making more of a fool of yourself than usual.

    After which KB got to see the worlds fastest internet mole in operation as great loads of dirt were thrown into the air. Something worth knowing the next time anybody “engages” in any argument with this moron: “Ooooooo, look what I just pulled out of my bum – a Jewish guy sitting right next to me, and whadda ya know, he’s not offended”

    Christ, it’s frightening to think this clot has a degree and is teaching young people.

    And then there’s this:

    (All quoted from comments at http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/08/a_third_anti-semitic_defacement.html/comment-page-1#comment-1377945 )
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    Nineteen thumbs down for what is obviously a piece of satire? I’d like to think that if “Rightnow” had put those lines into HTML quotes it would have made a difference but ….

    “Some people here are fucking idiots.”

    No shit Shylock!

    (oh bugger)

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  112. Kimble (4,427 comments) says:

    Labour’s candidate for Rangitata Steven Gibson says he did not mean to cause offence when he referred to Prime Minister John Key as Shylock in a recent social media post and has apologised.

    Nice try dipshit! Absolutely every single fucking word in his tweet was meant to cause offense. Oh, but not this one, right?

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  113. G152 (280 comments) says:

    Interested (20 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 1:44 pm

    This should be submitted to Susan Devoy…

    Why? She’s to busy sucking up to the same people making these racist comments…
    Better to shine the light on these practices so the MSM -just might- actually do their job and report it.

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  114. ShawnLH (4,482 comments) says:

    “I asked the Maori next to me if he was insulted by the term Uncle Tom. He said no.
    I asked the Asian next to me if he was insulted by the term Charlie. He said no.
    I asked the Aussie next to me if he was insulted by the term Skip. He said no.”

    Yeah I’m very skeptical about that as well. There was another poster on here not long ago who was fond of claiming that there was a person standing right next to him that could prove something, or that he was just on the phone to a person in Iran who said it was wonderful.

    Even if it were true it’s a weak argument to say the least. Asking one person proves nothing, and the wealth of fact based historical information about the use of this term is readily available. But Judith conveniently ignores that because it does not suit her spin.

    Judith claims to be an academic. No academic would accept her arguments. You could not do a Uni paper filled with factual inaccuracies, and then claim you were entitled to because it’s your opinion.

    If she really is an academic, it is frightening that she is allowed anywhere near a classroom.

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  115. coge (186 comments) says:

    The public deserves to know where Labour stands on this. Sooner rather than later.

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  116. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Shawn

    Above the rest of us?

    There you go again, presuming you talk for everyone – no I don’t think I’ve above everyone – but I am most certainly way above you!

    I am entitled to my opinion, I sought another opinion from someone who is by default a stakeholder in this issue – his opinion added value to mine. An opinion on whether this is anything more than just an insult to John Key – has even been confirmed by the speaker himself. He has stated he didn’t mean it to be mean anything further – not anti-semitic.

    The fact is, Shawnywanny that’s exactly what I said all along – it was nothing more than an insult – and not meant to stir New Zealanders into some sort of anti-semitic rage like you and others are trying to claim. My opinion wasn’t wrong.

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  117. stigie (1,066 comments) says:

    Judith/Shawn, take some time out and go and feed the animals !~

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  118. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    And your opinion isn’t changed by the candidate apologising, is it Judith?

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  119. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (4,053 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 3:40 pm

    I’ve never ever said that anyone else was sitting here with me – I challenge you to find one single comment of mine that has said anything of the sort before today.

    You may not have noticed shawn but this is not a professional environment, nor a class room, and none of what is written here is anything more than informal banter. If you consider it to be some sort of serious dialogue and a representation of a persons professional capacity or even their personal reality – then you are a very very sad soul indeed.

    If you find this blog to be such an important source of anything but opinion, then you have a HUGE psychological problem that you really need to get some help for.

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  120. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    ‘I’ve never ever said that anyone else was sitting here with me’

    But earlier you said:
    ‘I read the lead to this thread to my colleague at the same time I first saw it. We had been discussing the billboard stuff just prior to that, so it was pertinent to show him this. He’s assisting me with my research – which is why he was here.’

    But I’m sure you can split that hair as well – maybe he was standing instead of sitting.

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  121. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ mikenmild (10,993 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 3:45 pm

    No it isn’t Mike. The candidate has said exactly what I was trying to argue. It was nothing more than an insult, said to imply that John Key was a Jewish Money Lender – it was not meant in any anti-semitic way – to stir up hatred towards other Jews, or anything like it. It was mean solely for JK.

    People have applied their own sensitivities to something that was clearly never meant that way – and he has confirmed that – and that was also the opinion of my colleague – who said it was nonsense to take it as being anti-semitic. It was clear to him it wasn’t meant that way – and as I pointed out – it was portrayed that way by people who had something to gain from making it more than it was.

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  122. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ mikenmild (10,994 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 3:51 pm

    read it again Mike – doh!!! Do the words ‘before today’ not mean anything to you?

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  123. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Judith
    That isn’t even the candidate’s explanation. He…arrgh fuck it, I give up.

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  124. Pete George (23,437 comments) says:

    Updated:

    Labour leader David Cunliffe said on Monday he had not heard about the matter until it was raised by reporters and would be speaking to Mr Gibson. “I’m not happy with that.”

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/251870/labour-candidate-sorry-for-shylock-comment

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  125. hj (6,869 comments) says:

    ShawnLH (4,054 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    “How will people view John Key”

    According to the polls hj, very favorably.

    But Helen Clark was once super popular. I suspect people are over her now because she is responsible for a whole lot of social engineering.
    Likewise people may see John Key that way: pro immigration , pro foriegn farm sales and the enabler of further destruction of the Kiwi identity and way of life. Ofcourse we will be a whole lot of different Kiwis then (and a lot of money would have been made in real estate).

    John Key straight up and down?
    Tony Alexander’s view on house prices

    In BNZ Chief Economist Tony Alexander’s weekly overview, Auckland house prices are set to move upwards nicely. Here are his 19 reasons why:
     

    3. The government is explicitly aiming to grow Auckland’s population as a means of achieving “agglomeration” benefits for economic growth which accrue from high interaction amongst economic players.

    17. The government has announced its efforts to improve housing affordability (lower prices) and they are minor and unlikely to have a noticeable impact if any for many years.

    http://www.davidwhitburn.com/blogs/auckland-house-prices-to-rise-over-10-in-2013/

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  126. ShawnLH (4,482 comments) says:

    Judith,

    does your head not hurt with all that dishonest spinning?

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  127. ShawnLH (4,482 comments) says:

    “Judith
    That isn’t even the candidate’s explanation.”

    Yes Mike, but that does not matter. What he actually said and explained are just facts, and Judith’s opinion trumps the facts.

    Reality is whatever she makes up in her head.

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  128. greenjacket (455 comments) says:

    And now I see Judith is claiming she is back at work, sitting alongside Jews (so how can she be anti-semitic?).
    Intersting, as in previous posts Judith has claimed all kinds of other careers and backgrounds, which makes me believe that “Judith” is either a number of different people or a number of different personalities.

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  129. Keeping Stock (10,269 comments) says:

    So Mr Gordon is sorry for calling John Key Shylock, and claims he didn’t know who “Shylock” was. I call “bullshit” on that. And let’s be clear – He actually said “Shonky Jonkey Shylock..nasty little creep with the nasty evil and vindictive sneer…” – he hasn’t apologised for the rest of his rant, so we can assume he stands by his comments.

    He needs to stand down or be deselected. He clearly isn’t subscribing to the Vote Positive instruction from his leader, and is now an Aaron Gilmore-like distraction and embarrassment.

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  130. Psycho Milt (2,406 comments) says:

    I expect Labour will deselect Steve Gibson rather than have a racist candidate. Well I hope they do.

    Really? I wasn’t dumb enought to imagine National would deselect John Key rather than have a sexist candidate (after he implied his female opponent was a whore), and sure enough they didn’t. I doubt it’s hurt his, or their, chances.

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  131. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ greenjacket (425 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 4:25 pm

    Where did I say I was back at work ? I work at home and sometimes at the university. Mostly its internet based though. Today I’m at home and doing data analysis with my research assistant. I never claimed that having a Jewish colleague meant anything other than what his opinion confirmed for me. I’m 56, I’ve done lots of different types of things over the years. Please provide an example where any of that has been contradictory.

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  132. RRM (9,785 comments) says:

    Having successfully unlocked New Zealand’s sleeping giant of hard lefty voters that apparently stayed home last time (and every other time)… NZ Labour party now turns its attention to capturing that other vast, untapped voter pool; the anti-semitic voters. :roll:

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  133. Sponge (157 comments) says:

    he implied his female opponent was a whore

    But, politically speaking, she undisputedly is a whore.

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  134. Pete George (23,437 comments) says:

    Full Definition of SUGAR DADDY

    1: a well-to-do usually older man who supports or spends lavishly on a mistress, girlfriend, or boyfriend
    2: a generous benefactor of a cause or undertaking

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sugar%20daddy

    I think Key made it clear he was referring to the second meaning.

    In any case political whore is a common term and I haven’t seen any sexual connotations.

    whore
    n.
    1. A prostitute.
    2. A person considered sexually promiscuous.
    3. A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain.

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/whore

    Meaning 3 is what is applied politically and many people seem to think it is appropriate for Laila Harre’s use of Kim Dotcom’s millions.

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  135. kiwi in america (2,428 comments) says:

    Judith
    2 political truisms apply to your comments today:
    1 – The first rule of holes….
    2 – Explaining is losing!

    For someone who claims to dislike David Cunliffe and is supposed to be flirting with voting for Winston, you have made literally thousands of comments over the last few months defending Labour and the nasty tactics of the left.

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  136. gander (91 comments) says:

    “Mr Gibson said on Monday he didn’t actually understand what the term Shylock referred to, and was repeating what a constituent had said about Mr Key in the context of a bad deal.”

    So a ‘constituent’ in Timaru has been involved in a bad deal.

    This makes it right for said ‘constituent’ to invoke a centuries-old antisemitic slur against John Key.

    (We can assume that the bad deal did not involve John Key, else it would be all over the MSM by now.)

    And Steven Gibson not only repeats the slur, but repeats it without understanding what it means?

    He’s too stupid to even be a good bigot.

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  137. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ kiwi in america (2,450 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 5:07 pm

    I was bought up in a generation where when people ask a question you explain your position. When people make false accusations against you, you explain where they are wrong, and ask them to provide some sort of evidence to support their stance. I provided evidence for how I formed my opinion, now I’d like the people that constantly refer to my contradictions to provide evidence of those. I don’t really care how you analyse it – its what I do – and have always done – today is no different. This thread was just a beat up and there was never any threat of the Candidate leading any anti-semitic campaign in NZ – despite what many have tried to claim.

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  138. David Garrett (6,998 comments) says:

    greenjacket: what you need to realise is Judith is A HUNDRED and fifty six, and not plain old 56…this explains the multiple careers with many years of experience in each one

    But before the silly bint accuses me of the same “expansion” of careers, here’s my list and (approximate) durations:

    Pipeline labourer: October 1975 – June 1976

    Oil rig worker (several stints) 1976-85

    Taxi driver (during a period recovering from injury): 1979-81

    Construction worker (when there was no drilling): 1983

    Lawyer: 1992 – present

    Politician: 2008 -10

    Dr Judy won’t list hers…among other reasons she’s worried I might hunt her down and say things to her that are really not very nice..

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  139. Psycho Milt (2,406 comments) says:

    But, politically speaking, she undisputedly is a whore.

    It’s a lot more debatable than that John Key indisputably is of Jewish descent and has gained wealth from usury. Inaccuracy isn’t the source of the claimed offence.

    I think Key made it clear he was referring to the second meaning.

    So, you’ve dropped the “fact-checking” bullshit in favour of plain old “spin doctor” now, Pete? At least that would bring a bit of honesty to the proceedings. People other than pompous old gits who’ve taken Polonius to be the hero of Hamlet and look on him as a role model may well not pick up Key’s meaning, I agree, but such people are fortunately in short supply.

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  140. Pete George (23,437 comments) says:

    The fact checking diss is getting a bit tired Psycho – if you want to hold me to a perpetual theoretical standard then comment to the same standard yourself. I know you won’t, so I don’t see why I should be lectured to about honesty by hypocrites.

    In case you’ve been blind to what’s been said about this by Key:

    Asked later if he stood by them, Mr Key said he did.

    “I think it’s totally accurate,” he told reporters. “He funds her.”

    Mr Key denied the comments were offensive or sexist and said he would say the same thing about Mana leader Hone Harawira.

    “I think she is literally being funded by Kim Dotcom … if he wasn’t putting up the money, she wouldn’t be there,” Mr Key said.

    He didn’t accept that there was a sexual component to a sugar daddy, defining it as “someone who funds somebody else”.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/John-Key-stands-by-sugar-daddy-comment/tabid/1607/articleID/355757/Default.aspx

    As I said, the latter meaning along the lines of “2: a generous benefactor of a cause or undertaking”. That seems fairly clear – unless you have any facts that prove otherwise.

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  141. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    does your head not hurt with all that dishonest spinning?

    You should know, Shawn.

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  142. themanwhowatches (25 comments) says:

    Is that one over then? I sure hope so. Now that the candidate has clearly shown his ignorance, and David Cunliffe has done the decent thing and said he disapproves of what the candidate said, perhaps we can dial the temperature down a bit? Now what can be done about the idiots who destroy party billboards? Shouldn’t be hard to track them down since they proudly proclaim their involvement on Facebook.

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  143. itstricky (1,774 comments) says:

    Shakespeare’s Shylock was a Jewish Money Lender. John Key stated himself that he is jewish, and his employment history puts him in the catagory of ‘money lender’.

    There is nothing in that statement that is unflattering to Jews, unless one finds money lending is a disgraceful occupation?

    Judith, didn’t they sit here the other day describing immaculate detail how ‘Sugar daddy’ wasn’t offensive and how it fitted perfectly?

    And you get the 39 down votes?

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  144. itstricky (1,774 comments) says:

    Dr Judy won’t list hers…among other reasons she’s worried I might hunt her down and say things to her that are really not very nice..

    Or you could invite her out to your place down the road, over the second blue bridge, past the green letterbox on the left for a showdown at dawn.

    I should add that that comment probably deserves demerits. Kinda scary like. In a stalker kind of way.

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  145. David Garrett (6,998 comments) says:

    You’re welcome any time it’san…We always welcome a chance for a good political discussion out here in the rural sector…but its a RED letterbox, and it’s the second RAILWAY CROSSING…not a bridge…Bring your mate the killer…

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  146. billr (21 comments) says:

    what’s amazing is that the candidate didn’t know who Shylock was, and the overtones and implications of using this name in this manner.

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  147. itstricky (1,774 comments) says:

    Dr Judy won’t list hers…among other reasons she’s worried I might hunt her down and say things to her that are really not very nice.

    Actually, now that I think about it. The other day you said (quote’ish) nobody gives a flying f* who you are Judith I couldn’t care you could he the man on the moon for all I care etc (unquote). And now you’re stalking her. I did say it was ‘laughable’ at the time.

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  148. MH (703 comments) says:

    I say prick him (Steve Gibson) and see if he does not bleed.

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  149. itstricky (1,774 comments) says:

    You’re welcome any time its an…We always welcome a chance for a good political discussion out here in the rural sector…but its a RED letterbox, and it’s the second RAILWAY CROSSING…not a bridge

    Thanks. Will politely decline this time. I knew I had the directions wrong somehow. Kind of know what you mean by killer but kind of don’t. Is this another guessing game at identities? I like games.

    Anyway, back to the discussion. That’s a dictionary definition Pete. Nobody, and I repeat, nobody in the real world uses the term ‘sugar daddy’ without the sexual connotations attached.

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  150. hmmokrightitis (1,585 comments) says:

    I do, itstricky, but then Im the same ilk as JK. Harre fits the bill. Paid for. Morals left behind. Sugar Daddy. Whore. Take your pick really. Harre chose her german made bed and now shes (lying) in it. But then she has enough money from the abhorrent capitalist system to recover post election, once the lardy chermin has stopped paying her.

    Oh god oh god, I want to be flying wanker class on the plane that takes his sorry lardy arse to the US early next year. Wander down to the tail of the 777, glass of bubbles in hand, see him wedged between two great big MoFo escorts, and ask if he liked dinner :)

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  151. David Garrett (6,998 comments) says:

    Well there you go…the Lying Leftie proving himself..

    I almost never use profanity in my comments…and if you can find a comment which referred to Dr Judy in connection with “the man on the moon”, a box of chocolate fish is yours (I’ll drop it off at an agreed dead letter drop or with an intermediary so I don’t see you and upset you…)

    Actually the penny has just dropped! You are Dr Judy’s alter ego!! When she’s not here you are… a reference to her no doubt bogus CV is “stalking” only in your fevered imagination! (Stand by for the Dr to return to deny it all…)

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  152. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Garrett

    Still stalking and keeping tabs huh? Wow, I feel honoured.

    Here you go:

    Born 1958 – Mostly scottish descent, some English, and bits of other European nationalities.
    Parents built new house in west auckland that same year.
    Attended Playcentre until five years of age: (note, no kindergarten). Also a plunket baby. Blonde hair green eyes, recorded in plunket book.
    Eight years of age – My grandfather died – left his bach on the shores of Whangateau Harbour to my family – fun holidays from then on.
    Left School after 6th form, Did senior business course at Tech – Married, 20, and went to live in rural town.
    Five kids. At the same time Assisted in running family business, even sorted mail to help buy home, went to Uni at 32, completed first degree. 37 yrs Went to work at Corrections, 47 years, became a grandmother, 48 yrs Completed second degree, worked as Policy Analyst, for both Central and Local Govt, and MOH.
    Started Second Family Business. Completed Post Grad – Picked up Tutoring with Uni, now Paper Co-ordinator and completing PhD.

    So tell me Garrett, what part of that time line do you have a problem with? Can you explain which bit would have required the extra 100 years?

    Edit: and now in your normal mistrusting manner you’re accusing other people of being me. You haven’t yet provided one single post that refutes anything I said about myself, despite constantly accusing me of contradictions. How about you front up, or shut up Garrett.

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  153. David Garrett (6,998 comments) says:

    Bingo!! there she is … do you use two computers, or are you just very quick at logging out and logging back in?

    To (mis)quote Major Strasser “don’t worry…we are not going to broadcast your ISP’s..” Yes Judy, all your fears are true! I have inserted a magical Trojan worm thingie into this message…

    Re your mythical age Judy…it’s IRONY darling…look it up, it has several meanings…I would give you a “web based” dictionary reference but my CPU is very busy right now…tracking…tracking….

    A “policy analyst” eh? By crikey, that’s impressive…aren’t they usually straight out of uni though?

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  154. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ David Garrett (6,553 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 5:28 pm

    Oh David, you forgot to list the period you were prevented from practicing, I believe it was due to dishonesty of some sort – or at least that is what Wikipedia says.

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  155. doggone7 (769 comments) says:

    David Farrar: “Some people here are fucking idiots….What I am saying is one should not vote for a party that has a racist anti-semite as a candidate.”

    Which is the party that has a racist anti-semite as a candidate? You know that drawing that conclusion about Gibson from what he said and in the context, is absolute conjecture. He has apparently said he was unaware of the significance that some attach to the characteristics of the character in the play. (paraphrased). Suggesting he is a “racist anti-semite” on that evidence is excessive probably even scurrilous.

    Is it not valid for someone to genuinely use the term ‘Shylock’ in its colloquial sense as in the dictionary definitions on here? I think the reaction smacks of political neuroticism.

    A parallel has happened in recent months with references to Hitler and Nazis. Usually referring to a politician with comparisons of Hitler and Nazis brings immediate aggressive reaction. The Holocaust gets mentioned and how the minimising of the horrors comes about by the references. A school principal found that out when she referred to a politician in such terms.

    Suddenly though those comparisons and labels are valid if the references are to Dot Com.

    It’s all right to say that people here are fucking idiots. If done with clear intellectual rigour it would have more significance.

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  156. David Garrett (6,998 comments) says:

    …and using my surname Judy…so hostile…especially when I – of necessity – only use your Christian name…You don’t mind “Judy” do you? Seems so much warmer, fuzzier and less stodgy than “Judith”…

    Ah, Wikipedia…obviously an acceptable reference at whatever “Wananga” you are currently studying at….But sadly, on this occasion the “peoples encyclopedia” is pretty much right…”recklessly swearing an affidavit that was not correct in all material particulars” was how I believe the Standard Committee framed it…

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  157. EAD (956 comments) says:

    Brendan O’Neill sum up this brilliantly that all this anti-Israel noise is simply emotion is overcoming reason as the line between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism gets thinner every day

    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/theres-something-very-ugly-in-this-rage-against-israel/15400#.U-hp_fldXqM

    @ Doggone – very thoughtful comment

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  158. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ David Garrett (6,554 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 6:57 pm

    Stalking is not only finding someone’s ISP numbers etc Garrett – which you well know. It includes making inquiries with past employers, connections etc trying to establish an identity. You say you don’t give a ‘fuck’ (I think that was your wording) who I am, and yet, you’ve been doing just that, which indicates you do care David. An awful lot judging from the people you’ve been asking.

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  159. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ David Garrett (6,555 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 7:03 pm

    You falsely put Dr in front of it. As you well know, that title does not apply to me, yet!

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  160. David Garrett (6,998 comments) says:

    Who have I been asking about you Judy?? I hate to break this to you, but I have more important things to do…toenails to cut, lawns to mow…stock to move… I confess, I have received a number of unsolicited e-mails about you…but then I guess that goes with the territory when one is an open book…e-mail address, physical address…all public information…nothing is hidden do you see? It does make one pay attention to “noises off” but then, as they say in another context, one has “systems in place” to deal with those..

    As for your putative post graduate qualification…there you go again you see? A warmer person would have said “you flatter me by referring to me as Dr when I have yet to defend my incomprehensible thesis ….”

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  161. SGA (983 comments) says:

    Oh dear – this is getting more and more like some Bogart and Bacall movie. What does the final reel have in store?

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  162. Maggy Wassilieff (328 comments) says:

    Why does the poem ” the spider and the fly” come to mind?

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  163. Yoza (1,781 comments) says:

    EAD (705 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 7:04 pm

    Brendan O’Neill sum up this brilliantly that all this anti-Israel noise is simply emotion is overcoming reason as the line between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism gets thinner every day

    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/theres-something-very-ugly-in-this-rage-against-israel/15400#.U-hp_fldXqM

    The occupation of Palestine has been going on for 60 years, the support networks that have developed over the decades ensure that when Israel does carry out one of its mass killings those networks react more quickly and cohesively than those that sympathise with other causes. The likes of Libya and Pakistan, to use a couple of O’Neill’s examples, are not under a relentless occupation – although many of us think the US drone policy is as disgusting as anything Israel is doing in Gaza or the West bank.
    The constant squeals of anti-Semitism are laughable as many of Israel’s strongest critics are Jews themselves and the Palestinians are a Semitic people.
    Israel is an ugly racist state that needs to atone for the crimes it has committed.

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  164. freemark (564 comments) says:

    Hey Judith et al
    Can you please find out for us what the Fat Faggot Robertson, the Whore Harre, or the Nigger Harawira thought of the comments about the Shylock Key?
    You being a fairly impartial academic & all that….

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  165. Psycho Milt (2,406 comments) says:

    He didn’t accept that there was a sexual component to a sugar daddy…

    Well spotted, Pete. Perhaps this twat Gibson should just have said he didn’t accept there was a Jewish component to a Shylock, you could then have spent the day defending him against DPF.

    That seems fairly clear – unless you have any facts that prove otherwise.

    Interesting. So, when Mallard and Cosgrove referred to Chris Finlayson as ‘Tinkerbell,’ they were merely intending to imply that he was a fictional character with a tinkling voice like a bell, unless you have any facts that prove otherwise?

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  166. Honeybadger (195 comments) says:

    please, please, PLEASE, do not feed the troll!!!!!!!

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  167. Psycho Milt (2,406 comments) says:

    …Im the same ilk as JK.

    You are?

    Harre fits the bill. Paid for. Morals left behind. Sugar Daddy. Whore. Take your pick really. Harre chose her german made bed and now shes (lying) in it.

    Oh, right. OK, yes – you are very much the same sort of person as John Key.

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  168. SGA (983 comments) says:

    Honeybadger at 7:49 pm

    please, please, PLEASE, do not feed the troll!!!!!!!

    Ok, ok, ok, but… which one?

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  169. David Garrett (6,998 comments) says:

    SGA: You clearly are not that familiar with the brilliant Bogey’s work…his leading ladies were always beautiful (my agents tell me that doesn’t apply here), had a certain sultry presence, and always knew their place…eventually…

    “You know how to whistle don’t you Steve? You just hold your lips together…and BLOW…” …Lauren Bacall in her first turn opposite Bogey…

    (“To have and have not” Warner Bros, Directed by Howard Hawks, 1944…)

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  170. SGA (983 comments) says:

    David Garrett at 7:52 pm

    SGA: You clearly are not that familiar with the brilliant Bogey’s work…his leading ladies were always beautiful (my agents tell me that doesn’t apply here), had a certain sultry presence, and always knew their place…eventually…

    You’ve never seen “Swing your lady”, obviously (to be fair neither have I, I only know it by reputation)

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  171. Pete George (23,437 comments) says:

    Psycho – a significant difference was Key made a passing comment and then explained what meaning he (supposedly) meant, while Gibson’s comment was an abusive tirade that that included a name that could be presumed to fit with that context. And as Gibson apologised he accepted it was abusive.

    And there’s further context that aggravates Gibson’s tirade – both Shylock and Key’s mother were Jews from Austria.

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  172. hj (6,869 comments) says:

    I think the jewish interpretation (in this case) is a load of baloney. I know someone nicknamed Shylock and it’s context is “tight”. Most NZr’s have very little experience of Jewishness apart from a knowledge of history.

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  173. Psycho Milt (2,406 comments) says:

    Psycho – a significant difference was Key made a passing comment and then explained what meaning he (supposedly) meant…

    The funny thing is, I expect National aren’t even paying you for it, Pete.

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  174. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ David Garrett (6,557 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 7:52 pm

    Oh please Garrett, you don’t even know who I am, if you did, you wouldn’t feel the slightest bit shy about blurting it out for all to see, because there is quite a twist to it – so given that you don’t know who I am, you can hardly make slurs about what I look like – except that the truth and you are easily parted, and you just hope that no one will pick up on the fact that you are as ignorant about my identity, as what you were when you made your first phone call attempting to find out!!!

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  175. Pete George (23,437 comments) says:

    The context appears to be more than just ‘tight’.

    “There is the REAL face of Shonkey Jonkey Shylock…nasty little creep with a nasty evil and vindictive sneer…”

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  176. Pete George (23,437 comments) says:

    Psycho – yes, very funny. It would be even funnier if they did considering how they get as tetchy as lefties if they get challenged on anything.

    I don’t like what Key said either – “It’s not for Laila Harre to grandstand about whether her sugar daddy should be extradited or not to the United States.”

    I’ve been critical of him on this and on other of his less glorious moments, it’s a piss poor look. Nor do I like what the Internet Party have promoted with Harre’s blessing. Etc etc.

    I think the campaign generally is a very poor advertisement for democracy.

    But when political pundits seem entrenched in a lying misrepresenting abusive environment that is simply exposed more by social media then perhaps we shouldn’t be surprised.

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  177. Crusader (302 comments) says:

    Is Steve Gibson a relation of Mel Gibson by any chance?

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  178. David Garrett (6,998 comments) says:

    SGA: I am pretty familiar with Bogey’s work…I don’t think that’s one…But we are wildly off topic…

    I actually don’t believe that pic of Key is genuine…

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  179. Nostalgia-NZ (5,099 comments) says:

    Somehow I don’t think JK sweats over such things as this. He’s confident in his own skin and that’s part of why he is popular. Gibson got trolled on the same day 1000s of comments were no doubt passed about many candidates in the next election. In a day where little ‘positive’ has progressed on the political work face it was interesting to hear JK’s thoughts about banning gangs where he effectively ‘melted’ Peters populist (and quite futile) solution to ‘solving’ the gang ‘problem. Speaking of whom the Chinese community are reported to have generously said that Peter’s ‘Wong’ jokes were years old, perhaps subtlety commenting that he is trying to revive his old medicine.

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  180. SGA (983 comments) says:

    David Garrett at 8:16 pm

    SGA: I am pretty familiar with Bogey’s work…I don’t think that’s one…

    LOL – Let’s say he wished it wasn’t one as well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_Your_Lady
    But you are correct – off topic.

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  181. flipper (3,952 comments) says:

    Nos…

    Good stuff.
    That is pretty much what Ken Comber et al in his gang inquiry concluded, and Roper also concluded, xyz years ago.

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  182. David Garrett (6,998 comments) says:

    I have met Key a number of times, both during my time in the House and subsequently…I have never seen him with that sort of sneer on his face…

    SGA: Well there you go…one of the things I like about KB is you always learn something here…at least if you are a humble self effacing chap like me…Never heard of that one…

    Here we go…I will bid you all adieu…I don’t associate with Killers…about 6’6″ should do a slight chap like that…

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  183. Shazzadude (526 comments) says:

    If I call someone a MacBeth am I accusing someone of being a tyrant, or am I just being racist against Scots?

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  184. Pete George (23,437 comments) says:

    It probably depends on who you call a Macbeth, what else you call them at the same time and in what context.

    If the context is the Labour caucus then Caesar and Brutus are often mentioned.

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  185. flipper (3,952 comments) says:

    Judith (7,927 comments) says:

    August 11th, 2014 at 7:04 pm

    @ David Garrett (6,555 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 7:03 pm

    You falsely put Dr in front of it. As you well know, that title does not apply to me, yet!
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    ******

    This is a bloody silly argument, and both DG and Judith should know better. Stop!

    As for “Dr”…

    I refuse to refer to any Ph.D as “Dr” unless the person is a medical doctor (MD).
    The use of “Dr” by academics to refer to a certain level of supposedly peer reviewed analysis / achievement, is a contrived device.

    The US practice of describing Phuds as “Bill Bloggs, PhD., is acceptable. Anything else is self aggrandisement, especially when a PhD is granted in respect of a study of Jim Anderton’s Alliance. Letter writers are the worst offenders.

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  186. David Garrett (6,998 comments) says:

    …and of course the knot must be placed under the left ear…something about the laws of physics makes it rotate to the right, and throw the head back…even I wouldn’t want the prick to strangle…

    No, that pic of Key is definitely photo-shopped in my view…

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  187. itstricky (1,774 comments) says:

    I almost never use profanity in my comments…and if you can find a comment which referred to Dr Judy in connection with “the man on the moon”, a box of chocolate fish is yours (I’ll drop it off at an agreed dead letter drop or with an intermediary so I don’t see you and upset you…)

    Meh, bollocks. Quick flick around whilst trying to win the chocolate fish and I found one with trying (“Fuck me, I’ll never be a pilot”) None-the-less, you’ll note my “quote’ish” meaning I was just ad-lib’ing from memory. Nothing really about the man on the moon. Shame, I do like a chocolate fish.

    OMG! GASP! Garrett logged out and flipper logged in and said “bloody silly” Garrett uses “bloody” alllll the time. flipper, are you Garrett?

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  188. Shazzadude (526 comments) says:

    “If the context is the Labour caucus then Caesar and Brutus are often mentioned.”

    Good thing we don’t (I think, could be wrong) have any MPs of Italian extraction. You might call them a Caesar or Brutus and end up being accused of racism.

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  189. itstricky (1,774 comments) says:

    Interesting that Wood said they weren’t actively discouraging people from voting for Seymour, yet he’s authorised this.

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  190. itstricky (1,774 comments) says:

    Anyway, time to go. Just enough seconds to post my favourite exchange from the q+a Epsom debate, again:

    Genter: These people (i.e. Seymour & Rankin) are talking about these things from a position of privilege, they’ve no idea what’s going on.
    Wood: They don’t even know what Whanau Ora is.
    Smalley: Yes, Whyte hasn’t had a good week, has he?
    Seymour: Well, as a matter of fact, Whyte has a PhD from Cambridge, and worked as a banker in the financial sector in London for ….. years….

    Smalley (quite rightly rolls eyes to back of head) looks at Seymour with a “you just don’t get it do you, buddy, that’s EXACTLY what Genter was talking about”

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  191. SGA (983 comments) says:

    flipper at 8:36 pm

    The use of “Dr” by academics to refer to a certain level of supposedly peer reviewed analysis / achievement, is a contrived device.

    Really. I’d always thought it was the other way around – medical professionals had over time adopted the academic title – that’s not the case?

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  192. nasska (11,186 comments) says:

    If the doctorate is in anything other than one of the hard sciences it merely signifies that the recipient obtained a degree but wasn’t yet ready to face the real world.

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  193. SGA (983 comments) says:

    Just looked it up – it seems to be the way I thought

    Doctor, as a title, originates from the Latin word of the same spelling and meaning.[1] The word is originally an agentive noun of the Latin verb docēre [dɔˈkeːrɛ] ‘to teach’. It has been used as an honored academic title for over a millennium in Europe, where it dates back to the rise of the first universities. This use spread to the Americas, former European colonies, and is now prevalent in most of the world. Contracted “Dr” or “Dr.”, it is used as a designation for a person who has obtained a doctorate-level degree. Doctorates may be research doctorates or professional doctorates.

    Hardly a “contrived device”

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  194. SGA (983 comments) says:

    @nasska
    I suspect that doctorates existed long before what we know as the “hard sciences”.

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  195. Nostalgia-NZ (5,099 comments) says:

    Yes flipper, good stuff. Even better that a PM isn’t reverting to opening the ‘public purse’ to chase fantasies on the eve of an election. I don’t believe he mentioned a word about ‘law changes’ that would have ‘magic’ remedies, makes me think of the wisdom of Bill English on spending money to gain results rather than gaining votes. On a night when a fictional character evokes howling at the moon, good to see the PM has his feet on the ground and his clear thinking intact. Cheers.

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  196. Honeybadger (195 comments) says:

    SGA, none of the trolls, not a one of them, they are in a feedy frenzy!

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  197. nasska (11,186 comments) says:

    ….”I suspect that doctorates existed long before what we know as the “hard sciences”….

    Probably…..but times change & along with them the meanings & import of titles & honorifics.

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  198. SGA (983 comments) says:

    nasska at 9:02 pm

    Probably…..but times change & along with them the meanings & import of titles & honorifics.

    Fair enough -facts shouldn’t get in the way of a firmly-held opinion :-)

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  199. deadrightkev (427 comments) says:

    People need to grow a pair and stop being so precious. The Jews I know are much more thick skinned to worry about name calling of that ordinary quality.

    Its election year DPF. There are fucken idiots everywhere mate.

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  200. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Judith.html#.U-iKyGMgTIU

    Who’d have guessed? :)

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  201. EAD (956 comments) says:

    “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.” – Voltaire

    In NZ, we are not allowed to criticise Islam, Judaism or Maori superstitions or we get called “wayyyyyyycist”
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/5139609/Of-dragons-and-taniwha-time-for-respect.

    Christianity – thats fair game for the presstitute MSM

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/editorials/3519619/Editorial-Church-has-lost-its-moral-authority

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  202. Tinshed (144 comments) says:

    I understand it is the way of things, but it is disappointing that this thread has become about Judith. That’s a shame because the real issue is the latent anti-semitism in New Zealand that seems to be coming to the surface. How we react to that trend should be being discussed and not a pointless and at times childish discussion of what one over-contributor might have meant.

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  203. Psycho Milt (2,406 comments) says:

    In NZ, we are not allowed to criticise Islam, Judaism or Maori superstitions or we get called “wayyyyyyycist”

    I think someone should maybe take you aside and fill you in on the meaning of the phrase “not allowed.”

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  204. Nookin (3,274 comments) says:

    Well, I think I’ll stick to the Big Bruv v D4j series. There’s a crispness about the punching and some sly blows below the belt and to the kidneys. There is also always a feeling that we might see something really dramatic as happened a year or so ago. Tonight’s bout was really quite tedious and egocentric. Not good spectator sport at all.

    Lift your game guys.

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  205. Maggy Wassilieff (328 comments) says:

    @ tinshed..
    I agree that reading so many ill thought-out retorts is disappointing. But I don’t think the exercise has been pointless. Some people can not think clearly or consider arguments /evidence placed before them. Opinion rules. It is sometimes interesting to get an insight into this deluded process.

    I have little doubt that academics in the years to come will find a treasure-trove of material in Kiwiblog archives. There is a sociological thesis lurking here (and probably a psychopathological one too).

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  206. Yoza (1,781 comments) says:

    Tinshed (92 comments) says:
    August 11th, 2014 at 9:33 pm

    I understand it is the way of things, but it is disappointing that this thread has become about Judith. That’s a shame because the real issue is the latent anti-semitism in New Zealand that seems to be coming to the surface. How we react to that trend should be being discussed and not a pointless and at times childish discussion of what one over-contributor might have meant.

    There is no ‘latent anti-semitism’ in New Zealand in the way it is being bandied about by #TeamKey and the Israel lobby. There are people who are utterly obsessed with blowing minor acts of graffiti out of all proportion to promote the illusion of rampant anti-Semitism, but the reality is white New Zealand is far more anti-Muslim, anti-Maori, anti-Asian and anti-PI to worry about developing an anti-Semitic streak.

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  207. Psycho Milt (2,406 comments) says:

    …the reality is white New Zealand is far more anti-Muslim, anti-Maori, anti-Asian and anti-PI…

    No, no, that’s not racism. That’s good cunts standing up to political correctness and having the guts to call it like they see it. Racism is people having a problem with the Israeli government using heavy weapons against civilian targets. I hope that’s cleared things up for you.

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  208. Simon (694 comments) says:

    Called Key Shylock. Lol. What a moron.

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  209. itstricky (1,774 comments) says:

    No, no, that’s not racism. That’s good cunts standing up to political correctness and having the guts to call it like they see it. Racism is people having a problem with the Israeli government using heavy weapons against civilian targets. I hope that’s cleared things up for you.

    Even with the lack of a digital emotion-meter the sarcasm on that was registered in Fiji. Brightened up my day (not the whole Israeli thing, the sarcasm thing obviously)

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  210. itstricky (1,774 comments) says:

    Sessh, even when I point out Michael Wood contradicted himself I get 4 down votes. Tough crowd.

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  211. Scott Chris (6,036 comments) says:

    I doubt that Gibson would have used the epithet ‘Shylock’ had he known its historical anti-semitic connotation.

    I suspect he’s more stupid than racist.

    Hardly surprising to see the political right seize the opportunity to paste this gaffe into their evil left narrative. Sigh.

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  212. Scott Chris (6,036 comments) says:

    “He did not call him ‘a shylock’ – he called him Shonky Jonkey Shylock.”

    Surprised ‘the Rolf Harris of NZ politics’ Winston Peters hasn’t called him Wongkey yet.

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  213. Harriet (4,795 comments) says:

    “……Until it[Catholic Church] puts its own house in order by reporting all cases of sexual abuse, historic and present, to temporal authorities and co-operating fully with investigations, its leaders are in no position to lecture anyone about abortion, contraception, sex outside marriage, spybases or anything else….”

    The Dominion Posts editor forgets that the Roman Catholic Church can lecture on homosexuality – and anything else it wants to – and when it wants to.

    “….It’s legal for 10ylds to have sex in Tasmania…

    ….in fact, the so-called “pedophilia scandal” in the Catholic Church is not, technically, pedophilia. 85% of all victims were pubescent boys (ages 12 to 17). That’s homosexual priests, and very obviously so. But the secular media has lied about the truth. It’s about destroying the Catholic Church. They don’t care about the abuse of children. If they did they would tell the truth. In addition, the percentage of sexually abusive priests is only about 1% but to listen to the media, you’d believe that 50-60% of priests are pedophiles. The actual number of priests who sexually abused minors is fairly low — LESS than the percentage of public school teachers and married men who sexually abuse children.

    The problem and cause of the “pedophilia scandal” in the Catholic Church was the infiltration of homosexuals into the priesthood during the 60s, 70s & early 80s. There are practically NO CURRENT accusations. All these accusations (and many legitimate) occurred many years ago and spanning a 50-60 year period. They are all just being litigated at the same time so that it APPEARS that the Catholic Church is inundated with sexually abusive priests. That is not true. The vast majority[99%] of our priests are good and holy men who have dedicated their lives to the service of God…..”

    “……Since all forms of homosexuality have now been declared not to be deviant, that there is no or little research going on about how to help these people, since this appears to be a deviant form of life that is destructive to those who live it, and to society. Now there is virtually no help in the psychiatric field to help anyone who might have wanted to understand why they are attracted to the same sex, and help them with the compulsions that drive them, because no one is allowed to see homosexuality as a psychological or emotional or personality disorder anymore. Just the fact that they can only ‘love’ those who are exactly like themselves, not just in personal encounters but in their larger social context, demonstrates there is something arrested in their development. Something is badly broken within them, but all forms of help to understand what that brokenness is coming from, have been cut off. Now homosexuality is the new normal. This is not just a trap for Christians, to turn them into the enemy, but it is a trap for homosexuals, and to kids growing up who are urged to experiment with this deviancy. They are being taught to see it as desirable and ‘cool’ and progressive behavior…..”

    “…..There is no forced celibacy in the RCC. One chooses to be a priest, fully acknowledging that that discipline is expected of one, or one chooses a different path.
    The discipline of celibacy does not encourage nor create homosexual behaviors or activities. If one is a nominally heterosexual priest[97%], and one wishes to break one’s vows, heterosexual fornication is just as wrong, and would be the much more likely choice, yes?

    Those who have been accused are not “heterosexuals who have committed pedophilia due to the rigors of the discipline of celibacy”, but in fact “homosexuals who were unable to resist temptation.”

    While not politically correct, the bleating about “these are not homosexuals, they are heterosexual pedophiles!” is a kind of political lie that allows the homosexual lobby to attack the Church, even while being a source of one of its most egregious problems.

    This can be cross checked by simply looking for similar cases in public schools (where the teachers are not, of course, required to be celibate!). Your child is about 80 times more likely to be sexually abused by a public school teacher than a Catholic priest….”

    The Dominion Post’s editor can lecture to the Roman Catholic Church anytime he wishes. :cool:

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