McVicar to stand for the Conservatives

August 7th, 2014 at 12:35 pm by David Farrar

, the highly effective founder of the , will be a candidate for the . He is taking a leave of absence from the SST.

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108 Responses to “McVicar to stand for the Conservatives”

  1. Redbaiter (8,787 comments) says:

    Great news.

    Well done Garth, and best of luck.

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  2. Unity (575 comments) says:

    Brilliant news!! A real feather in the cap for the Conservatives. We just might get a Party into coalition who actually has MPs with some common sense and reflect the wishes of the people. It’s getting better and better.

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  3. Reboot (101 comments) says:

    A great advocate for victims’ rights. Didn’t realise that he’s also against asset sales.

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  4. ChardonnayGuy (1,206 comments) says:

    Good. McVicar is becoming a liability to the noble cause of victims rights.

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  5. dcrown (15 comments) says:

    The blind leading the blind.

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  6. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    This will strengthen the credibility of the Conservative list.

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  7. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    So you mean “highly effective” in the way that Colin Craig is a “highly effective” herald of conservative values, by causing most reasonable people to wonder whether he’s playing with a full deck?

    This is the man, remember, who explicitly linked gay marriage to crime which, regardless of how you stand on that issue, is a particularly inventive piece of lunacy, right up there with L Ron Hubbard.

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  8. kowtow (8,428 comments) says:

    What’s the obsession with asset sales?

    I hadn’t realised the Notional Party stood against parental rights, against traditional marriage, for separatist racist seats,against private property rights (plain packaging) .

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  9. David Farrar (1,894 comments) says:

    Highly effective in that he has almost single handedly get dozens of wins for the policy framework he supports on law & order.

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  10. bringbackdemocracy (427 comments) says:

    Great news, looks like the Conservatives will be heading to parliament in numbers.

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  11. James Stephenson (2,171 comments) says:

    Still don’t see them making 5%, Winston’s doomed though.

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  12. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    Feels like a 1% bump with Garth on board..

    Too bad they are dead to me for standing in Epsom.

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  13. RRM (9,915 comments) says:

    I’d say their credibility just trebled at the very least.

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  14. James Stephenson (2,171 comments) says:

    It’s easy to treble very small numbers.

    IIRC Garth turned down standing for ACT and suggested DG instead. Wonder what’s changed with regard to standing for office himself.

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  15. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    Well that is good. I’m not a huge fan of Craig, but having both Rankin and McVicar standing for the party lifts them above the one man band problem.

    At current polling the CP is looking a better potential coalition partner than ACT.

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  16. Changeiscoming (189 comments) says:

    What news source is this from? Has it been confirmed? If so it is big news.

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  17. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “It’s easy to treble very small numbers.” – fuck i wish it was! we would have a few ACT! mp’s

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  18. lastmanstanding (1,293 comments) says:

    Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm So will it be Party Vote ACT as in past elections or Conservative. Don’t want to waste my Party vote so will wait until election day.
    As always Muzza will get my constituent vote.

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  19. DJP6-25 (1,387 comments) says:

    This certainly won’t do them any harm.

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  20. Redbaiter (8,787 comments) says:

    Dime, you’re just not cool man.

    ACT is just tearing itself apart again over their fixation with the impossible to define concept of “classical liberalism” and will continue to do that until they kick all such pretentious academic dropkicks out of the party. It is why their candidate down south just resigned.

    Until they revert to the basic Association of Consumers and Taxpayers and stop all the navel gazing ideological crap they won’t ever amount to SFA.

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  21. meanybeany (27 comments) says:

    Cast your mind back around twelve months. . . who had ever heard of Jamie Whyte? Who had ever heard of David Seymour?

    and then:

    Who had heard of Christine Rankin? Who had heard of Garth McVicar?

    Name recognition counts for a lot.

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  22. Grendel (1,002 comments) says:

    Really Red, and you think that a coalition of people who claim to be conservative (despite the actual actions of many), all huddled at the feet of a winston peters like ego like colin craig is a testament to stability?

    at least its ok to have different views on libertarianism in ACT, for the Cons it will be colins way or no way.

    the vaguely known names leaping on the craig bandwagon are as sad as those hitching their name to dotcom, a bunch of saddos desperate for the power and cash that comes with being in parliament.

    many of them would make brendan horan or alamein kopu look productive.

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  23. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    Getting both on board was a smart move by Craig as it helps to shift the perception that the CP is just Craig alone.

    With ACT starting to tear itself apart somewhat the CP is starting to shape up, a little at least.

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  24. Redbaiter (8,787 comments) says:

    I actually quite like ACT but they need a message that resonates with the public.

    That classical liberalism horseshit will just take them nowhere.

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  25. Grendel (1,002 comments) says:

    yeah becuase looking to the past and tut tutting at how other people live their lives (and itching to ban what they are doing), is such a great idea.

    you just dont like classic liberalism as it would mean less power over other peoples lives, which is what you clamour for, just the like lefties you claim to despise (but are secretly much the same as).

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  26. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “the vaguely known names leaping on the craig bandwagon ”

    Both Rankin and McVicar are pretty much household names in NZ. Both are well known, and the Sensible Sentencing Trust is a high profile organisation.

    Your claim is not credible.

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  27. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “yeah becuase looking to the past and tut tutting at how other people live their lives (and itching to ban what they are doing), is such a great idea.”

    Compared to Liberalism, yes, it is. Though I’m ignoring your caricature.

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  28. Redbaiter (8,787 comments) says:

    Grendel, you’re an uneducated yokel with severely blinkered political vision, and the proof of that assertion is that you clearly do not know the difference between disapproving of something and legislating to ban it.

    BTW, true Conservatism is the one rock solid antidote to tyranny and will always be regardless of what the “time” is. Another thing you don’t know or have any understanding of.

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  29. iMP (2,383 comments) says:

    All this hopeful drivel about ACT who have contributed so very little in the past, and literally zero now (last three polls) despite huge leg-ups from National. Here are their stats for the last three elections:

    1.51%
    3.65%
    1.07%

    An average of 2%, less than the Conserv.s got in their first election, having registered only 7 weeks before. Wake up ACTies and get with the new Centre-Right team. CC and the CP if you want a stable C-Right Guv come mid-Sept.

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  30. gump (1,647 comments) says:

    McVicar has done some good work for victim’s rights, but some of his public comments show that he doesn’t play with a full deck.

    Having said that, Colin Craig doesn’t play with a full deck either. So they’ll probably work well together.

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  31. iMP (2,383 comments) says:

    ACT doesn’t even have a deck, and will be decked by the voters in 45 days time.

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  32. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    gump.

    the same could be said of ACT’s current leader. Remember “consensual incest”?

    The CP folks may say some batty things now and then, but I doubt they will promoting incest anytime soon.

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  33. Redbaiter (8,787 comments) says:

    Well hell Gump, pity they didn’t consult with you on card games isn’t it? I’ll bet you could clue them up on how to play a top game of Snap.

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  34. Redbaiter (8,787 comments) says:

    “The CP folks may say some batty things now and then”

    Just go on doing the prog media’s work for them idiot.

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  35. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “All this hopeful drivel about ACT who have contributed so very little in the past”

    They do deserve some credit for pushing charter schools and three strikes.

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  36. gump (1,647 comments) says:

    @iMP

    I live in the Epsom electorate and I’m not convinced that Act will get their candidate elected in Epsom this year.

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  37. Griff (7,675 comments) says:

    Redtwit’s politics is closer to the commies then any mainstream party in nz is.

    The horseshoe theory in political science stipulates that the far-left and far-right are more similar to each other in essentials than either are to the political center.

    It was formulated by the French post-postmodernist philosopher Jean-Pierre Faye, who believed that the extremes of the political spectrum both represented totalitarianism of different kinds; this meant that the political spectrum should not be described as a linear bar with the two ends representing the far-left and right being ideologically the furthest apart from each other, but as a horseshoe in which the two ends are closer to each other than to the center. George Orwell also noted this phenomenon in his writings, although he never attempted to give it a formal definition

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  38. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “Just go on doing the prog media’s work for them idiot.”

    I’m not, just stating a fact about both ACT and the CP.

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  39. flipper (4,050 comments) says:

    The only problem I have with this is that “sugar daddy” Russ Pettigrew has obviously signed off on the leave of absence.

    His resignation should have been requested and accepted – without regret.

    McVicar, and his ilk, have sucked on Russ Pettigrew’s substantial financial tit ever since McVicar’s useless organisation was established.

    A very, very good man, Pettigrew was sold a real pup. In his early days, throughout his diverse, and hugely successful business-building career, Russ would have shown McVicar the door.

    Russ took good advice when he backed the formation of the New Zealand Rugby Foundation, a charity that cares for seriously injured ex players. The SST is a misguided knee-jerk con, has always been a con, but sadly the less sensible politicians have given them a hearing, never deserved.

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  40. timmydevo (52 comments) says:

    Colin Craig’s so called “looniness” is starting to look like a media jackup. If he was as bad as it’s made out to be, I doubt sensible people like McVicar wouldn’t want anything to do with him…

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  41. iMP (2,383 comments) says:

    OMGosh, ACT is trawling schools for candidates. I’m sure James Gray is a very nice young man, but puh-leeeeze, this boy is a parliamentary candidate? You have to be kidding.

    Pic here: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10332618/Whyte-stands-by-race-based-law-comment

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  42. Redbaiter (8,787 comments) says:

    “McVicar’s useless organisation was established.”

    Whereas the National party prefers to keep all NZ families slaves to and dependent on the state. Who is the truly useless organisation?

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  43. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    ““McVicar’s useless organisation was established.”

    That was the organisation that was instrumental in getting three strikes into law. Looks pretty damn useful to me.

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  44. DrDr (114 comments) says:

    It would be interesting to know whether more people would consider voting Conservative if they had a different leader. Under current conditions we can all see that having lots of money doesn’t necessarily make you the best leader – perhaps Colin should fall on his sword and let someone else takeover.

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  45. ChardonnayGuy (1,206 comments) says:

    Good to see the solid and reliable Ruth Money taking over the helm at SST. I’ve got a lot of respect for her:

    Our members and supporters have a wide range of political views. Sensible Sentencing remains strictly non- aligned politically. From time to time SST will identify the parties which have been most effective in responding to victim concerns, and most willing to advocate for genuine and meaningful change.

    http://www.scoop.co.nz

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  46. Reboot (101 comments) says:

    ShawnLH, what do you have against consensual incest?

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  47. flipper (4,050 comments) says:

    ShawnLH (3,786 comments) says:

    August 7th, 2014 at 2:33

    *****

    Let us await real results on that legislation before deciding whether it was anything more than window dressing on the tail of now failed Californian law, and before deciding whether it has made any useful difference (aka is good or bad) in New Zealand, and before determing real as opposed to imagined value, and or conferring on one group, ownership that is claimed by many.

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  48. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “Let us await real results on that legislation before deciding whether it was anything more than window dressing on the tail of now failed Californian law”

    We can already see the results.

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  49. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “ShawnLH, what do you have against consensual incest?”

    Can’t tell if that was a joke or not.

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  50. RRM (9,915 comments) says:

    First Christine Rankin, and now Garth McVicar…

    Surely Reddy will be getting the call-up any day now..?

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  51. Longknives (4,737 comments) says:

    Amazing the negative publicity this gets from the NZ media yet hardly a word is whispered on Internet/Mana’s bizarre plans to ‘Close all New Zealand Prisons’…

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  52. deadrightkev (464 comments) says:

    “at least its ok to have different views on libertarianism in ACT, for the Cons it will be colins way or no way.”

    Grendel. Have you ever met Colin Craig? I bet not.

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  53. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    ‘Close all New Zealand Prisons’
    Thought you might be joking, but Mana say that:
    ‘In the long-term, prisons would be abolished and replaced with non-custodial options and habilitation centres focused on the restoration of wrongdoers, as recommended by the 1989 Roper Report.’
    Implies that the Roper Report recommended the abolition of prisons, which I doubt.

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  54. deadrightkev (464 comments) says:

    “If he was as bad as it’s made out to be, I doubt sensible people like McVicar wouldn’t want anything to do with him…”

    Correct. He is straight. Eccentric and inexperienced as a politician yes but he does not tell lies. We need more people like Craig in parliament to stand up for us.

    Who wouldn’t swap Craig for Cunliffe, Norman, Peters, Harawira or Pita Sharples?

    When faux right wing bloggers such as Cameron Slater attack Craig you know he is precisely what NZ needs to give National a dose of reality on behalf of the taxpayer. More power to him.

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  55. flipper (4,050 comments) says:

    mikenmild (10,853 comments) says:

    August 7th, 2014 at 3:38 pm

    ‘Close all New Zealand Prisons’
    *****

    ” ….on the restoration of wrongdoers, as recommended by the 1989 Roper Report.’
    Implies that the Roper Report recommended the abolition of prisons, which I doubt…… ”
    ***
    You are correct. It did not. And all those throwing calliption fits on the gang issue, should go read the report compiled by Ken Comber’s committee, and the Roper report. Absolutely nothing IM says should be accepted without extensive cross checks.

    Dumb ass knee jerkers, all.

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  56. stephieboy (3,004 comments) says:

    I think its important though that Garth steers the party away from its tin foil hat tendencies and suggests Colin replaces that dreadful poster of himself that makes him look like an end stage AIDs victim.

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  57. spanish_tudor (80 comments) says:

    I think McVicar and Rankin are credible candidates, it’s Colin Craig who is the Conservative’s biggest liability.

    Having said that, I am still not a fan of fannying about on the margins – if you want a strong, stable centre-right government, then party vote National.

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  58. ciaron (1,431 comments) says:

    …and suggests Colin replaces that dreadful poster of himself that makes him look like an end stage AIDs victim.

    :) I have to admit, the monochrome doesn’t help.

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  59. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “In the long-term, prisons would be abolished”

    What do you expect from a party of criminals funded by a criminal?

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  60. Redbaiter (8,787 comments) says:

    “When faux right wing bloggers such as Cameron Slater attack Craig you know he is precisely what NZ needs to give National a dose of reality on behalf of the taxpayer.”

    Damn right there.

    Slater and his blog are a disgrace.

    A pathetic echo chamber for political retards where everyone agrees with everyone else who agrees with Cameron Slater.

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  61. Manolo (13,735 comments) says:

    McVicar is a sincere man. I wish him well.

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  62. duggledog (1,554 comments) says:

    Good news.

    Was it timed with today’s events –

    Where a teenager received no penalty whatsoever for beating the shit out of another boy, the results of which may or may not have contributed to his death? Because that may have an effect on his future?

    Where two Maoris beat the shit out of a 66 year old woman in the South Island after a home invasion and the main culprit only got six years, even though he had a raft of prior convictions?

    Where a former deputy PM attends a funeral full of Head Hunters?

    This country is going to the dogs

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  63. itstricky (1,830 comments) says:

    Ah, the “be very afraid of your fellow man, lock em up and throw away the key, once a crim always a crim” nutbar joins the moonwalking nutbar. Never saw that one coming.

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  64. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ itstricky (1,595 comments) says:
    August 7th, 2014 at 6:29 pm

    I saw it coming. Put enough fruit loops together and you get a fruit bar!
    So far they are getting all the ingredients just right. They’ve probably already got a uniform – white sheets and pitch forks – meeting held at the local barn, where they can conduct a good ol’ hanging. I can just imagine who’ll be peeved he can’t join them.

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  65. Longknives (4,737 comments) says:

    Crims are misunderstood. They just need a good cuddle from Aunty Judith…

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  66. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    ““be very afraid of your fellow man, lock em up and throw away the key, once a crim always a crim”

    In this case it would be three times a crim, and specifically three times a violent crim.

    Most Kiwis have had a gutsfull of seeing news stories about some guy assaulting, raping or murdering someone and finding out he is one his fifth or tenth or twentieth charge.

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  67. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Longknives (4,505 comments) says:
    August 7th, 2014 at 6:34 pm

    Oh the conservatives aren’t actually crims Longknives, or at least, not until they conduct their first hanging.

    The thing is LK, we sort of expect our politicians to have higher standards than your average street variety cowboy and gang member.

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  68. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Most Kiwis have had a gutsfull…

    Yes we have Shawn, but encouraging the community to act just like them, is not the answer – as the stats from USA prove.

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  69. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “The thing is LK, we sort of expect our politicians to have higher standards than your average street variety cowboy and gang member.”

    Who is “we” Judith? Speak for yourself, not the rest of us.

    Arguing for tougher sentences for violent criminals does not make anyone a “cowboy” or gang member.

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  70. big bruv (13,880 comments) says:

    I am really surprised at this. I have met Mr McVicar, I have heard him speak on more than one occasion. Each time he was very careful not to openly support any particular party. I should also state that I am a member of the SST until tomorrow.

    Tomorrow I will resign from the SST. I will not align myself with anybody who shacks up with the CCCP.

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  71. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “Yes we have Shawn, but encouraging the community to act just like them, is not the answer”

    Nobody is doing that.

    ” – as the stats from USA prove.”

    Violent crime in the US has been dropping for 15 years, and is now at it’s lowest level in 50 years.

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  72. itstricky (1,830 comments) says:

    Yes we have Shawn, but encouraging the community to act just like them, is not the answer – as the stats from USA prove.

    Exactly. I forgot one narrative in my description of Mr McVicar:

    “Give me the gun and I’ll shoot ‘em myself to get justice for all. By the way – did you know judges know nothing and I know better than them?”

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  73. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ big bruv (13,360 comments) says:
    August 7th, 2014 at 6:41 pm

    Good, I’ll take you off my ‘fruit loop’ list! I have to say, I don’t like all of what Garth stands for, but I certainly wouldn’t put him in the same straight jacket as Craig. I don’t know what McVicar is thinking !

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  74. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Does this mean that Craig is McVicar’s suga daddy?

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  75. big bruv (13,880 comments) says:

    Judith

    McVicar is far from a fruit loop, he is a great man doing fantastic work. This for me is just a step too far.

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  76. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (3,812 comments) says:
    August 7th, 2014 at 6:42 pm

    It is the same world wide Shawn, the US stats are no different to every other western country.

    However, the US has the most violent crime – and their harsh stance, and death sentences have not reduced that – any more than countries who don’t have the same penalties.

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  77. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ big bruv (13,361 comments) says:
    August 7th, 2014 at 6:48 pm

    I’m sorry, but if he stays with Craig, he’s a fruit loop by association – part of a big fruit salad, IMO.

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  78. big bruv (13,880 comments) says:

    Judith

    Can you tell me why you think that McVicar is a fruit loop?

    How can being anti a man who has worked for so man victims?

    Or, are you a person who likes to cuddle criminals?

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  79. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    In the USA.

    America’s historic drop in violent crime: By the numbers.

    “The conventional wisdom is that crime rises during hard economic times. Well, either that’s wrong or the economy isn’t really that bad, according to new preliminary national crime statistics from the Federal Bureau of Investigation. In fact, U.S. crime rates in 2011 hit their lowest levels since World War II, University of Maryland criminologist Gary LaFree tells MSNBC.”

    http://theweek.com/article/index/229129/americas-historic-drop-in-violent-crime-by-the-numbers

    In the UK.

    Rapes rise as violent crime soars.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-188906/Rapes-rise-violent-crime-soars.html

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  80. Meatloaf (196 comments) says:

    McVicar supports the inquisitional system and not the adversarial system. According to the ministry of justice website we use an adversarial system, which means the judge doesn’t investigate, the juries look at the evidence. But if we move to an inquisitional system, the judge investigates what happens, and there are no juries, or juries are less depended on.

    So this means if the judge is biased against the defendant, the defendant is going to have a hard time. And guess what, Mr. Cunliffe likes the inquisitonal system better. So it looks like we may have more innocent people prosecuted, as Labour and the Conservatives are now thinking along the same lines in regards to justice.

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  81. gump (1,647 comments) says:

    @RRM

    “Surely Reddy will be getting the call-up any day now..?”

    ——————-

    Plot twist. Garth McVicar is actually Redbaiter…

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  82. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ big bruv (13,363 comments) says:
    August 7th, 2014 at 6:57 pm

    I don’t think McVicar is a fruit loop. I don’t agree with everything he says, but I respect his motivation, and do agree with him on some things.

    BUT!!!!!! If he goes with the Conservatives – he is a fruitloop, like I said, by association. He will be judged by the people he is standing with, which I think is a pity – he if wants to be a politician then he should stand for a reputable party. There is too much uncertainly and suspicion surrounding the conservations.

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  83. big bruv (13,880 comments) says:

    Judith

    I will ask you again.

    What is it about McVicar’s work with the SST that you don’t like?

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  84. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Shawn

    Who is “we” Judith? Speak for yourself, not the rest of us.

    So you expect our politicians to have the same standards as “your average street variety cowboy and gang member.”?

    No wonder we have problems!!!

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  85. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ big bruv (13,366 comments) says:
    August 7th, 2014 at 7:51 pm

    I don’t like the lack of professionalism in the group. They have no official sources for the information on their data base, and therefore take it from the informal word of others, and newspapers, which aren’t reliable. Their information is also not complete.

    I believe that as long as they operate the list they do, the government will avoid putting together an official and precise list, run by people that are trained to give the information and advise on what to do with it – e.g. where to go to get help if you are worried about a neighbour or whoever, who has a criminal history.

    Just giving names is irresponsible in my mind – it needs to be backed up with contact from professionals – just for starters.

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  86. big bruv (13,880 comments) says:

    Judith

    Do you have any real idea what the SST do?

    They are far more than an website.

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  87. Unity (575 comments) says:

    Judith, you don’t seem to understand that the Conservatives are standing for what many of us have been wanting for years. We need to bring democracy back to this country as it has long gone. We only have a democracy once very 3 years when we go to election. We are virtually an apartheid State these days with racial privilege everywhere and in all aspects of our lives. The whole country is being Maorified before our eyes but many of us don’t want it as we have our own culture. We have no objection to people of Maori descent practising their own culture but don’t want it forced upon the rest of us.

    Politicians take absolutely no notice of referenda so we want to make them binding. It works in Switzerland and has for over 140 years. They would be the only true democracy in the free World but have very few referenda because the politicians know that if they don’t listen, a petition will be started so that a referendum can be held. They only need 50,000 signatures as against our 320,000 signatures which is a huge ask.

    Garth McVicar has done excellent work in the Sensible Sentencing Trust but obviously he is frustrated with the current Government’s lack of action even though there have been small gains, and feels that the Conservatives will push harder, so he has joined them. To denigrate the Conservatives’ policies is ridiculous. They stand for what I personally have been advocating for the past 19 years since I returned to NZ after several years away and was shocked when I saw where this country was heading. I know many people who feel exactly the same way. These matters regularly come up in social gatherings so I have absolutely no doubt that, as well as other things, people want racial equality under the law – for us all to be treated the same.

    They want an end to the ETS as well. It is costing us dearly and is not changing the weather one iota. They want tougher penalties for criminals and the first $20,000 tax-free would go a long way to helping those who are struggling. These are some of what the Conservatives stand for. If anyone can tell me what’s wrong with these, I would be very interested.

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  88. Redbaiter (8,787 comments) says:

    “Tomorrow I will resign from the SST. I will not align myself with anybody who shacks up with the CCCP.”

    As I have said in the past, one thing about the Conservative Party, its flushing the fake right out into the open.

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  89. Radman (143 comments) says:

    Correct. He is straight. Eccentric and inexperienced as a politician yes but he does not tell lies. We need more people like Craig in parliament to stand up for us.

    Doesn’t tell lies?!?! He told lies about Him winning Rodney last time and he’s already told lies about the CCCP winning Epson this time!! Lies everywhere!!

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  90. deadrightkev (464 comments) says:

    “I’m sorry, but if he stays with Craig, he’s a fruit loop by association – part of a big fruit salad, IMO.”

    I’ve been reading your posts Judith.

    When you drive your leather seated Prius do you wear a woollen twin set with pearls or a purple cardigan?

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  91. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “So you expect our politicians to have the same standards as “your average street variety cowboy and gang member.”?”

    No, but that claim is just your opinion, and it’s wrong, as was you claim about US crime rates, which I proved in a post above.

    I see no reason to take your opinions at face value when you can so easily get your facts wrong.

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  92. Nostalgia-NZ (5,191 comments) says:

    ‘Garth McVicar has done excellent work in the Sensible Sentencing Trust but obviously he is frustrated with the current Government’s lack of action even though there have been small gains, and feels that the Conservatives will push harder, so he has joined them.’

    Most revealing unity. McVicar is frustrated with National, as he has said himself because of the Privacy Commissioner and other things which he considers as ‘softness’ – fair enough when assessing his public statements on Privacy. As you say there have been ‘small gains’ under National but there have also been losses. His decision might also be related to the fact that he feels he has lost influence, or indeed that National have outflanked him. On the other hand a cynic might think that McVicar has simply abandoned ACT and chosen to instead ‘ride with’ the Conservatives, some proof of that could be Christine Rankin’s standing in Epsom. Overall, and you may or may not agree, but McV appears strongly anti the current Government and wants to bring them to heel. What ever the case, the tension has increased for this election with hats thrown in the ring from all quarters.

    It’s sort of amusing that some SST members have announced their ‘resignations’ because McVicar has joined the Conservatives. That’s odd, as he is simply exercising his free will and ‘retired’ in the meantime from his role with SST – that being the case I don’t see how resigning from the SST, by those have declared they will, is any form of protest against the Conservatives because McV has gone his own way from the SST. I guess it makes sense to them. Another watch is if a view is formed that McV’s involvement with the Conservatives is simply an attack against National – the tail trying to wag the dog.

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  93. Liberal Minded Kiwi (1,570 comments) says:

    Waste of time. Garth and Rankin might be household names, but not in a good way. Craig is a nutbar. All this will do is hoover up the votes that will keep Labour out.

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  94. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Here’s a reason why Craig and McVicar will appeal to people in the Far South.

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/311850/savagery-beyond-belief

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  95. Reboot (101 comments) says:

    It’s sort of amusing that some SST members have announced their ‘resignations’ because McVicar has joined the Conservatives. That’s odd, as he is simply exercising his free will and ‘retired’ in the meantime from his role with SST – that being the case I don’t see how resigning from the SST, by those have declared they will, is any form of protest against the Conservatives because McV has gone his own way from the SST. I guess it makes sense to them. Another watch is if a view is formed that McV’s involvement with the Conservatives is simply an attack against National – the tail trying to wag the dog.

    I don’t see anything wrong with resigning if he joins the Conservatives. No different to resigning if he joined New Zealand First. They’re both pretty stupid parties to join. And let’s be honest here, Garth McVicar is to the SST what Winston Peters is to New Zealand First. Without McVicar, the SST has no voice.

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  96. Harriet (4,967 comments) says:

    “….And let’s be honest here, Garth McVicar is to the SST what Winston Peters is to New Zealand First. Without McVicar, the SST has no voice….”

    McVicar wouldn’t be standing for the Conservatives to be a voice on matters of tax legislation. SST now has a huge voice.

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  97. nasska (11,468 comments) says:

    ….”SST now has a huge voice.”…..

    It’s about to get a terminal case of laryngitis after 20 Sep when Craig’s Crazies fail to cross the 5% threshold.

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  98. Harriet (4,967 comments) says:

    “…..….”SST now has a huge voice.”…..

    It’s about to get a terminal case of laryngitis after 20 Sep when Craig’s Crazies fail to cross the 5% threshold….”

    LOL Nasska.

    Craig was the only one from the Conservatives standing last time who members of the public knew. He got about 3% of the party vote from memory.

    Craig, Rankin & now McVicor?

    That will do nicely thanks Nasska!

    Oh…………. I forgot to add……

    …. and God too. :cool:

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  99. nasska (11,468 comments) says:

    Craig, Rankin, McVicar & now God.

    The casualty list grows! :)

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  100. stephieboy (3,004 comments) says:

    Colin Craig needs to stand down and McVicar take over, then Rankin on a rotating basis.As I stated earlier that poster looks so awful of Colin with what it seems Ebola or End stage AIDs.

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  101. Griff (7,675 comments) says:

    I hope they get in nasska
    As long as national has enough seats to govern without them,
    It will be extremely funny watching the fallout on kb from Colon Crag’s confused conservonutters being totally ignored by National.

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  102. itstricky (1,830 comments) says:

    Oh…………. I forgot to add……

    …. and God too.

    Only a Conservative party voter could believe that God personally backs whatever they, in their own minds, decide is best. The root of so much that is wrong in the world today.

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  103. Redbaiter (8,787 comments) says:

    I see Nasska and his pack of Kiwiblog cowards are here.

    On General Debate whining about light prison sentences and on this thread sneering smugly at a man with the courage to do something about it.

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  104. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I’m here too Reddy.

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  105. Nostalgia-NZ (5,191 comments) says:

    Can McV be termed a ‘waka hopper’ now? If so, he is the second in a week to defect to the Consoes.

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  106. Redbaiter (8,787 comments) says:

    Here’s an excellent read on the CP event in Parnell where Rankin announced her candidacy in Epsom-

    http://www.theconservative.co.nz/?q=node/859#comments

    Quote-

    “was very hard on law and order; she talked about not discounting jail sentences; that a 10-year sentence, for example, should actually be a real ten-year sentence; where criminals actually had to work—the audience lapped it up. “

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  107. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    “Lock ‘em up longer”

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  108. Unity (575 comments) says:

    Garth McVicar has been approached by numerous political parties about standing for election over the years but always declined because he felt he could do more without the compromises of the parties. However the disgraceful legal action against SST by the Director of Human Rights on behalf of a convicted paedophile was the final straw for him. He felt it was a total abuse of state power and taxpayer money and refused to accept that a convicted paedophile has a right to privacy ahead of the safety and protection of our children. I totally agree with him.

    He feels the Conservative Party Law and Order policies are closest to his ideals and has agreed to be the Law and Order spokesman for them. I know Garth McVicar will never compromise his principles. He is a man of his word and will personally draw many people to them.

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