No PMO involvement in SIS OIA release

August 19th, 2014 at 6:08 am by David Farrar

Vernon Small at Stuff reports:

The Security Intelligence Service says neither Prime Minister John Key nor his office played a part in the release of controversial documents to blogger Cameron Slater.

The documents were released to Slater six days after he requested them and posted on his Whaleoil  website.

They confirmed the had briefed then-Labour leader Phil Goff about Israeli backpackers who left the country after the Christchurch earthquakes.

In answer to questions from Fairfax Media today, referred from Key’s office to the SIS, a spokesman said the director was responsible for responses under the OIA “and made the decision to release, and what to release in this case”.

“Under the ‘no surprises’ convention the director or a representative would normally inform the minister’s office about what is being released under the OIA. That’s what occured in this case,” he said.

“Neither the PM nor his office expressed a view as to whether the information should be released, or to whom, or when,” the spokesman said.

So the story about Collins getting a prisoner moved is dead, as is this story it seems.

The SIS Director is the former Cabinet Secretary, a role with the utmost integrity as they directly serve PMs and Cabinets of all political persuasions. If Rebecca Kitteridge says there was no involvement of the PMO in decision making, then that would have been the case.

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50 Responses to “No PMO involvement in SIS OIA release”

  1. Bogusnews (474 comments) says:

    I heard Stephen Franks talking on Radio live a few days ago about Hager. He commented that he hadn’t read his latest book after reading the Hollow men. Apparently, Hager had taken emails from Franks, that had been separated in time by months or years and sewn them together as a continuous narrative. This completely distorted what Franks had to say.

    I trust nothing that Hager says. This latest revelation is absolutely no surprise.

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  2. FeralScrote (218 comments) says:

    Labour desperately needed this latest Hager farce ,anything to take their voters minds off the fact that they have nothing in way of policy to help get them into govt.
    And when they lose in Sept,they can blame it all on the game of (dirty) politics instead of looking at their own shortcomings and incompetence.

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  3. EAD (1,087 comments) says:

    Maybe I’m in a minority with my view, but I am really getting bored of the media beat up of these types of “scandals” so close to what is becoming a critical election in our country’s future. So close out, there is alarmingly little coverage of the real issues that will affect Kiwis for generations to come and instead we get “beltway politics” of great interest to political cronies and hacks, but of very little relevance to our country in 2020 and beyond.

    This is especially the case when we have 2 parties (Conservatives and Act) who stand starkly opposed to the “consensus” that has engulfed the big 3 parties whose policies varies only by degree. These 2 parties stand opposed to the current drift of the political elite and offer us an exciting vision of how our country could be turned around.

    Where is the debate and analysis on issues such as:
    – Maori separatism, privilege and its effect on race relations
    – The long term sustainability of the current retirement age and welfare such as WFF, interest free student loans that no “big” party dare reform
    – What is the role of the state in regulating our lives
    – Under what circumstances and on what issues should the electorate be enfranchised to vote on via referendum?
    – Should parties be legally bound by the manifestos on which they are elected (especially if on a workable majority)
    – Is our infrastructure coping with mass immigration, particularly in Auckland

    The media is not doing its job if it keeps on giving the masses bread & circuses and other entertainment.

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  4. freedom101 (504 comments) says:

    Mud sticks I’m afraid, and that is what the left are banking on. Labour are the most ill-prepared, disorganised and schism-riddled team ever to threaten New Zealand with government. If that wasn’t enough, then consider that they can only govern with the assistance of the Greens, who are communists by any other name. Even that might not be enough, in which case you can choose from a smorgasbord of nutters, ranging from DotCom/Mana to Winston First. This should be narrative for this election. It’s normally a hyperbole to say how disastrous it would be for your opponents to be elected, but on this occasion it’s true, and probably the reality would be much worse than we can imagine.

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  5. Dead Earnest (160 comments) says:

    Hagar is an intensely partisan hard-left muck-raker, concocting fictional works to titilate the chattering classes.
    The good news for John Key is that he will be safe fom any further revelations because if they were there Hagar would have published them.
    Slater will be subject to futher violation of his privacy, but – well I guess Cam knows how to look after himself!… and his enemies!

    What needs to be investigated now, is the extent to which foreign money (or money from a foreigner) is being used to finance “arms length” criminal activity in an attempt to “tip’ an election and therby prevent justice taking it’s course.

    Question: Has the mysterious hacker “Whaledump” been allocated any of Krim Dotcom’s 5 million dollars he promised for dirt that would prevent his extradition, or does he only get it if JK can’t form a government post 20th Septmeber?

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  6. fernglas (157 comments) says:

    If you substitute “Hagar” for “Slater” and “left” for “right” in the first sentence of the 6:47 post by Dead Earnest, it still makes perfect sense. Isn’t Slater really just reaping what he sowed, and aren’t those who cuddled up to him getting the same?

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  7. MrTips (97 comments) says:

    EAD, you are of course quite correct.
    I personally think all of this banal, boring, sleaze is going to play right into the hands of the Conservatives and NZ First. We shall see.

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  8. Dead Earnest (160 comments) says:

    Fernglass – I’m certainly not suggesting Cam is a saint, but the extent of the PM’s interaction – has been fully canvassed now and proved to be minimal. If there was anything more in the emails that Hagar got his hand’s on that would have linked Key any closer, you can bet Hagar would have published them with embellishing comments and a thick layer of partisam innuendo.

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  9. Nostalgia-NZ (5,211 comments) says:

    Must have missed that the ‘prisoner’ story is now dead. Anyone know the details, and does it mean that it was simply Slater lying to a friend? Maybe I shouldn’t use the word ‘simply’ when writing about lying, because despite the denials and backtracks we are seeing – ‘lying’ isn’t an excuse and doesn’t encourage that the truth is on the table. That is the hole National are falling into. If Slater is an National agent, and there is every indication that he is according even to the PM, then not only does Slater ‘attack’ opponents nominated by National, but entire parts of the population and it’s that association, particularly Slater and Collins, ‘lies and all’ that remains set to feed this debate long into the future. There are already claims that a party will apply to the High Court for all correspondence between Slater and National, no doubt including those which may prove that he is a liar, and that those ‘feeding’ him also lie. Not going to go away by laments about policy not being at the forefront of this election, and not going to go away post election despite who ever may win.

    This situation is very unsettling for business which really will be looking for a seamless election buoyed by a steady economy, there are clear signs that will now not be the case. Worse, it appears that National is ‘blind’ to the fact that there are a host of people with information about dirt that will keep coming forward and this is little about a comparison between the Nats and Labour. It’s about a cascade of information that the Nats have been playing a ‘dirty’ game, and that proposing that others have done it has a short life expectancy as more and more comes. There will be many wondering why JK hasn’t acted, particularly when there have long been views that Collins has something on him. We all know if a person bows to a threat they are had it, better to take it on the chin and get on with it. At this stage denials and putting out fires with a ‘tsk tsk’ ain’t cutting the mustard.

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  10. Linda Reid (415 comments) says:

    If David Cuncliffe becomes Prime Minister because this book makes a difference – well, it will be a disaster for NZ. I actually feel a little sick to know that once again private emails have been hacked or stolen and used for political purposes.

    The only way to try to fix this is for the full weight of the law to come down on Hager and the Hackers, and for NZ voters to send the whole of the left back to their old careers by voting them out. Only if this kind of filthy politics does not work can we stop it happening again.

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  11. mjw (396 comments) says:

    Actually, the PM said he knew nothing about it. The SIS says he was in fact told.

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  12. lolitasbrother (698 comments) says:

    A woman goes on to the polling booth, because it is that day again;
    not wealthy she, but in fact nearly poor, with her mother as she enters the vote booth, with deliberation.
    She remembers the pain when the earth ripped her house,
    the phone calls and that nothing that followed, and the photographs he took of her, yes,
    there are no photographs of the people inside to vote for,
    just boxes to tick, ..
    and outside the plastic remains of a fallen sign post saying vote environment Green,
    and a person she voted fo ,and a swastika crudely painted by some angry youth

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  13. MikeG (425 comments) says:

    The PM’s office WAS told according to Kitteridge – something that Key has denied, and something Farrar seems to have overlooked.

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  14. greenjacket (466 comments) says:

    EAD: “Maybe I’m in a minority with my view, but I am really getting bored of the media beat up of these types of “scandals” so close to what is becoming a critical election in our country’s future. So close out, there is alarmingly little coverage of the real issues that will affect Kiwis for generations to come and instead we get “beltway politics” of great interest to political cronies and hacks, but of very little relevance to our country in 2020 and beyond.”

    Well written EAD – I am utterly sick of the MSM and their obsession with trivial political scandals and the Left’s “gotcha” politics. There are big issues for the future – and I don’t see those being covered by the MSM.

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  15. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    EAD @634

    Your point exactly. The ODT says important constitutional issues should be debated ,but not before an election!When then?

    http://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/editorial/311944/not-time-race-debate

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  16. Nukuleka (327 comments) says:

    I would willingly donate to any organisation that was to come up with an electioneering billboard showing the clear choice we have in the coming election. On one side John Key and on the other Krim Dotcom with his arms encircling Cunliffe/ Norman/ Harawira/ Harre and Minto. The person responsible for the corrosion of New Zealand politics and our national life at present is a convicted German fraudster, and all New Zealanders should recognise that a vote for the left bloc is an endorsement of his vile self-interested shenanigans.

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  17. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    And Judith Collins’s leak of a public servant’s name to Slater? John Key still thinking about that?

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  18. berend (1,709 comments) says:

    EAD: but I am really getting bored of the media beat up

    Beat up? Should we let John Key (or David Cunliffe) decide what the media should report on? Sometimes the media can decide what to report, and as long as readers are buying their products the market validates what they’re doing (corollary: yes blogs can also decide what the write on). But sometimes they simply report on what is news. Nicky Hager’s book is news, if you like it or not. It’s selling, people are talking about it, it has the potential to derail a sure win, perhaps all for murky reasons, but if you don’t get this is news, you probably are in the same state of mind as the prime minister now.

    Nicky Hager made it #1 on Amazon in the opinion section, I think his book was probably in the top 500 overall paid at some point. And that’s just NZers buying that book, so he is outcompeting novels and an entire US market. That’s significant in itself. That is news.

    Our commentators talk about it all the time. I suppose the National Party wished we were talking about something else, just like David Cunliffe will have wished they talked about something else. But that’s not always how it works.

    The main problem for John Key is that this is day 8, and we’re still talking about Dirty Politics. He seems to be unable to handle this. And that is news in itself too.

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  19. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The only way to try to fix this is for the full weight of the law to come down on Hager and the Hackers

    The accusation against Hager would seem to be that of libel, but Hager has been careful in his wording so as to avoid making direct accusations.Is there anything from Hager’s book that is in fact libelous?

    The case against the hackers isn’t straightforward, since for the most part access of information through the internet is done without explicit authorization. Hacking is like espionage, whether it is deemed to be good or bad depends very much on which side you are on.

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  20. oldpark (331 comments) says:

    Let us not forget the cloth capped journalist union infested MSM TVNZ and TV3 all out there baying for blood.Yet I just read a headline that said, is Colin Craig the only one who dosnt know.Seems the mentioned MSM parasites feeding of an email thief ,with rumour and innuendo.The same Parasites wont ask the hard question of David Cunliffe ,and it is not “why was Labour so inept leaving their web site open” .The real question they wont ask Cunliffe,and they know,even the dogs around NZ ARE BARKING IT.”Whats the deep dark secret you are hiding MR CUNLIFFE.”

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  21. IGM (394 comments) says:

    Pity media didn’t shed a few more left-wing losers, such as happened at the Manawatu Standard. Get sick of continuous socialist shit being rammed down my throat either by weakly sounding radio announcers, or messengers of the left in print. This pro Hager stance by media is a real piss off and should stop.

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  22. radvad (765 comments) says:

    That was a serious allegation. Key should front foot this and demand an apology from Hagar

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  23. EAD (1,087 comments) says:

    @ berend 8.01am:

    I think John F Kennedy said what the role of the media is in this famous speech (emphasis mine). See 4.10-5.04

    “WITHOUT DEBATE, without criticism, no Administration and NO COUNTRY CAN SUCCEED – and no republic can survive. That is why the Athenian lawmaker Solon decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink from controversy. And that is why our press was protected by the First (emphasized) Amendment– the only business in America specifically protected by the Constitution– NOT PRIMARILY TO AMUSE OR ENTERTAIN, NOT TO EMPHASISE THE TRIVIAL AND SENTIMENTAL, NOT SIMPLY TO GIVE THE PUBLIC “WHAT IT WANTS” – BUT TO INFORM, TO AROUSE, TO REFLECT TO STATE OUR DANGERS AND OUR OPPORTUNITIES, to indicate our crises and our choices, to lead, mold educate and sometimes even anger public opinion.”

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  24. Linda Reid (415 comments) says:

    Ugly – I am no legal expert, but I think gaining unauthorised access to a computer is a crime, and using criminally obtained information should be. If no law was broken then so be it. But I have seen no sign of the police even investigating yet.

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  25. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    Bloody TV one news are a bunch of pricks.
    Last night they worded a story such that if someone wasn’t that savvy with English they would think they said that John Key was the one who called the West Coast youth who died in a car crash as “feral”.
    I find it very hard to believe that wasn’t deliberate.

    There is usually slanted wording and phrases that make the reports anything but neutral. Oddly it’s always slanted against the right leaning parties or individuals /sarc/.

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  26. Ross12 (1,428 comments) says:

    Mikenmild

    I thought Judith Collins had explained that. Something along the lines of ” I was asked who was responsible for a particular area of work and I told Cameron Slater who it was ” What is wrong with that ? I’m sure that question is asked multiple times every day of the working week so people can get on with what they are doing. Whether the question is addressed to a Minister or a call centre worker in an Govt. Dept , it should not matter.

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  27. oldpark (331 comments) says:

    @Lance.Spot on .Didn’t you know TVNZ was the official Labour Party Channel .Just look at the cue reader Simon Bellow firing the double meaning shots, and a sneaky looking guy called, believe it or not Corrin Dann he is an( unofficial Labour MP in waiting).When Hagers stolen gmail email book was coming out,he was so excited he looked like he would have an orgasm.Nuff said.Noticed last night he was sitting down ,When ever a story that can be twisted to denigrate the Nats, he is into boots and all,standing on his taxpayer funded feet.

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  28. Paulus (2,627 comments) says:

    The so called media are finally getting their “Ambrose UTU”, for which they have been trying since Bradley Ambrose, a media wonderkid, ” accidentally” taped the Key Banks cup of tea, the media then illegally claiming media immunity.

    He did apologise to Key, in writing, which was accepted, but the media have not forgiven Key ever since.

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  29. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Linda, there is a maxim of law which states that everything is permissible which is not forbidden by law. This maxim is another way of expressing the principle of the presumption of innocence. AFAIK Slater’s allegation of illegal taking depends on legislation which has no effect until jurisdiction is established by civil process, and so at this stage there isn’t any argument that the hackers actually committed a wrong.

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  30. Warren Murray (311 comments) says:

    Ross, Judith Collins was wrong to do what she did and i don’t buy the excuse that she is giving.

    Labour were wrong in the cases of Erin Leigh and Madeleine Setchell. Judith was bullying and it appears has become a political liability. It’s a shame because I think she has been an effective minister in her portfolios since 2008.

    If Cameron had asked a question along the lines of “who is responsible for….” the answer is the name of the relevant minister or the CEO. But you would have to be pretty naive to believe that was what was being asked.

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  31. kiwi in america (2,454 comments) says:

    Key’s team are progressively trying to neutralize the few issues arising from the Hager email hack that the media have glommed on to because, lets face it, the vast majority are a tedious bore and a good number of the sensational claims have proven to be false (e.g. the Hide blackmail implication). The SIS OIA request re Goff’s briefing is one of them and it will die a death after this statement from Kitteridge. Hager claims Key signed off on the release – Kitteridge confirms that the DG of the SIS did, released the info and then informed the PM’s office of the release and they made no comment either way. That is not the same as the claims the left are making. Slater will be able to prove (if he choses) that the PM’s office and other Nats tried to dissuade him from the request in the first place. In any event it was beltway issue in 2011 and remains so today.

    So what’s left. Eade having a peek at Labour’s wide open website? Another old news issue dressed as a ‘shock horror’ new revelation. Key’s Wallaby’s v All Blacks analogy is a short pithy explanation that puts Hager’s claims of a deliberate hack into context. Sure the media don’t like it but, like the GCSB and the tea pot tapes, they have predictably worked themselves into a real lather over this. How much will cut through beyond the beltway? It’s too early to tell but the only poll post the release of Hager’s book was the One News/CB snap poll and it had Nats up and Labour+Greens down.

    The claim that Collins leaked the name of the civil servant who pinged English over his Wellington property expenses claim to Whaleoil has some potential for damage because Key refuses to condemn Collins and brushes off the accusation with the left wing smear defense. Again the MSM are angry and on attack but Key isn’t talking to them or the beltway but over their heads to lower information middle and swing voters who aren’t going to read Hager’s book. If National’s daily internal polling takes a reasonable hit over this issue over the next few days then Key will ask Collins’ to fall on her sword or stand aside whilst someone conducts an inquiry.

    How much lasting damage will be done over the general claim of dirty politicking? This is shaping up to be a clash of the titans between Dotcom and Slater. Slater’s claim that Dotcom is behind the hack, whilst typically dismissed by the MSM, is nonetheless getting some airing and that’s before he returns from Israel. Whale will be on a revenge war path so don’t rule out some proof of his links to Labour to spice things up. There is still some water to run under this bridge but most people will give Key some benefit of the doubt.

    The media and Labour obsessed for weeks about Collins and Oraveda and it did no lasting damage. Key is maintaining some healthy distance from Cameron Slater as the left go on a full character assassination binge but Cameron can take care of himself. If this story is still leading media reports and commentary by Friday, look for some house cleaning by Key in the run up to the Nat’s campaign launch on Sunday. As Prebs says in The Letter – Hager looked on the surface to do more damage to Clark with the Corngate revelations in 2002 but in reality he did more damage to National because they were starved for media oxygen running against a strongly polling incumbent government with a buoyant economy. Most voters aren’t interested in the rehashing of three year old stories and whether key members of a right leaning party talk politics to a right leaning blogger preferring a campaign fought on the issues.

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  32. william blake (109 comments) says:

    There was a fat boy called slater
    Who blogged like a black hearted hater
    His friends in high places
    All have red faces
    Coz their hookup brands them traitor.

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  33. tvb (4,422 comments) says:

    Slater was tipped off on where to go to make the request. Who did that. The source of that tip gets uncomfortably close to the PM’s office. But I do not have of problem with that. Goff was trying to fit up the SIS with inaccurate information it is sensible to try and counter that. The choice of Slater for this is interesting. But he can be relied upon to give a favourable slant to this whereas MSM cannot.

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  34. ross411 (841 comments) says:

    mjw (284 comments) says:
    August 19th, 2014 at 7:30 am
    Actually, the PM said he knew nothing about it. The SIS says he was in fact told.

    Making stuff up again mjw? There’s no link given by you, because you can only string together things out of context, if you make the “facts” you’re basing it on not present at the same time.

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  35. Tom Barker (143 comments) says:

    “Whale will be on a revenge war path”

    You really believe that Mr Hager is concerned about retaliation from a sewer-dwelling blowhard like Slater?

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  36. Ross12 (1,428 comments) says:

    Just heard Tim Foulkes read out a letter from a listener ( someone in their 40s ) who said he has voted in every election since he turned 18 but everything that is going at the moment has got him thinking whether he will vote at all this time –he does trust any of them to govern effectively for him, his family, his community and his country. TF was of the view that this guy would not be alone in his views.
    So the question then is –who is effected the most with a low voter turn out ?

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  37. ross411 (841 comments) says:

    Lance (2,515 comments) says:
    August 19th, 2014 at 8:16 am
    Bloody TV one news are a bunch of pricks.
    Last night they worded a story such that if someone wasn’t that savvy with English they would think they said that John Key was the one who called the West Coast youth who died in a car crash as “feral”.
    I find it very hard to believe that wasn’t deliberate.

    There is usually slanted wording and phrases that make the reports anything but neutral. Oddly it’s always slanted against the right leaning parties or individuals /sarc/.

    It’s in their interest. If they ingratiate themselves with Labour and the Greens, they will be kept on the government teat longer. They know at some point, people will transition more and more to the internet, for both entertainment and real news.

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  38. kiwi in america (2,454 comments) says:

    Tom Barker
    You forget Slater has all the emails and can release any HE wants to give context to Hager’s claims. Who knows what more evidence he has from disgruntled former employees of KDC. Slater plays a long game – Hager had a narrow pre-election window to hurriedly give his best shot. Finally the body language difference between Hager and Slater was telling – Hager looks nervous and flighty whilst Slater is loving it. Love him or hate him Whale has already done damage to Hager and Dotcom and he’s barely even started. Dotcom was seen for over a year as a tireless maverick internet crusader wronged by a vengeful government doing Hollywood’s bidding – now he’s more seen as a dodgy figure trying to buy an election to prevent deportation. Whaleoil led the charge that led to that perception shift.

    Hager fired all his shots whereas Slater has years of tip line stuff bulging out of his filing cabinet waiting for his return from Israel.

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  39. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    So close out, there is alarmingly little coverage of the real issues that will affect Kiwis for generations to come and instead we get “beltway politics” of great interest to political cronies and hacks, but of very little relevance to our country in 2020 and beyond.

    The relevance of the “vast right wing conspiracy” (a tongue in cheek reference to WheelOil, DPF, and friends) to the wider interests of New Zealanders is the ethical nature of the right wing as conveyed by conservative traditions. In NZ the political tradition has involved the Christian Church via the head of state and the parliamentary prayer. Christian tradition draws from the duality of idealism and hypocrisy/vanity, as debated here. This connects to the more topical issues of the alleged Mossad spy ring which was discovered after the Christchurch earthquake, Goff’s denial of knowledge of the related SIS briefing, Slater’s payback by showing (via an expedited OIA request) that Goff was in fact briefed, Slater’s pro-Zionist stance, and his recent trip to Tel Aviv.

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  40. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    …a good number of the sensational claims have proven to be false (e.g. the Hide blackmail implication)…

    The funny part is, you probably actually believe that…

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  41. kiwi in america (2,454 comments) says:

    Psycho Milt
    Hide denies it, ACT denies it and the supposed senders and recipients deny it. All we are left with is Hager’s vivid imagination obsessing over Slater’s internal speculations. It’s not what professional journalists do but then professional journalism is not the goal here – bringing down Key’s government is. And to the left, no ends to that means would ever be wrong huh psycho.

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  42. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    kia
    Hager explicitly denied that there was direct evidence linking Hide to the planned blackmail.

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  43. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    I’m a political tragic nd regard myself as part of the beltway. Quite simply I’m sick of this whole childish farce. It has become boring. Just a mob of screaming partisan leftists making crap up and as soon as one lie is debunked they launch another.

    It’s high time some adults got involved and handed the whole thing over to the police. Then neither DotKrim nor Labour/GreensHarawira need worry about extradition. The fat prick will be convicted and deported before he can be extradited.

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  44. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    Good. I see Mr Slater has lodged a formal complaint with the police.

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  45. berend (1,709 comments) says:

    UglyTruth: Is there anything from Hager’s book that is in fact libelous?

    It has been vetted by a lawyer, so probably safe to answer this with no.

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  46. tom hunter (4,852 comments) says:

    You really believe that Mr Hager is concerned about retaliation from a sewer-dwelling blowhard like Slater?

    I would be.

    A couple of years ago Danyl Mclauchlan openly said that he was not going to engage with Slater because he felt the guy had mental issues – and this was not said as the usual commentator insult.

    One of the funny things is that while the left are always banging on about how fantastically evil the right are, combined with the huge powers employed via control of the Deep State and all that corporate money power, they never seem to consider that if even 1/10 of that were true they’d be voiceless, powerless and possibly even lifeless.

    So either the right wing are not as powerful or not as evil as claimed, or both. But that would ruin the dragon slaying narrative that sustains the left wing. I think Hager and others like him actually don’t believe this shite because they don’t act as if it’s true: it’s almost as though they do expect the other side to play by “the rules” or be basically powerless – godforsaken figures like Brash who have no idea how to fight back.

    However, in this case I can’t help wondering if the left are about to meet their nightmare. Slater does not care who he damages or how, including himself.

    It’s as if Dotcom and Hager took the cuffs and the face mask off Hannibal Lecter, let him out of the cell and then called him an asshole. What do they think will happen next?

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  47. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Adolf Fiinkensein,
    Handing it over to the police means that Collin’s involvement leads to the issue of conflict of interest. The problem was that with Slater alleging that the emails had been stolen, the legal implication was that they could not be used in defence of the hackers. This relates to central issue of file sharing via Dotcom’s MegaUpload.

    US fair use doctrine excludes the fair, non-commercial use of creative works. Since there was a difference in interpretation between where the allegations were made and where they were heard, evidence was presented as fact when it wasn’t factual according to New Zealand law. If a remedy was provided for the fiction, then the allegations against Dotcom would not be anywhere near as serious as they appeared to be.

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  48. Tom Barker (143 comments) says:

    “Slater has years of tip line stuff bulging out of his filing cabinet waiting for his return from Israel”

    So you’re saying we can rely on the odious Slater to keep this story front and centre in mainstream media at least up until the election? Sounds too good to be true.

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  49. Berend de Boer (1,709 comments) says:

    Tom Barker: you’re saying we can rely on the odious Slater to keep this story front and centre in mainstream media at least up until the election? Sounds too good to be true.

    I don’t think it’s Slater that would control this. Slater has been going after the NZ Harald for ages, and we can trust them to deliver all the utu they are possible of giving. This will remain the most important political story for a long time.

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  50. DJP6-25 (1,387 comments) says:

    Adolf Fiinkenstein 10:14 am. Good, he should complain to the FBI too.

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